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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sweetcell on January 26, 2009, 11:00:15 am
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with a tip of the hat to relaxer:
Is Animal Collective the New Moby? (http://www.spin.com/blog/animal-collective-new-moby)
excerpt:
And now, an oversaturation similar to what Moby willfully engendered via multi-platform licensing over more than a year could be happening, somewhat organically, to Animal Collective -- even before their album's official release and without the attendant financial windfall -- via blogs, websites, YouTube, and assorted online jabberwocky.
But eventual overhyping aside, with both Play and Merriweather Post Pavillion, I realized from the very beginning that a decent amount of my exhilaration had nothing to do with the quality of the music -- it stemmed partly from a feeling that this artist I'd liked/ respected/ rooted for, but who had remained pop-culturally marginal, had finally made a record so immediately pleasurable and accessible that it might appeal to people who generally hate this kind of shit.
But why does that remotely matter? Why care that people who are predisposed to hate Moby or Animal Collective might grudgingly admit that they don't really suck? Is it simply because of an altruistic urge to share great music with the world, and as a result, make the world a better, more enriched, place? Well, if I were a DJ at an NPR-affiliated station, that line might work, but otherwise, nah. Is it because Spin has thrived on documenting that moment when underground bands emerge onto a larger, more mainstream stage and belaboring/ speculating upon the issues related to said evolution makes for reliable copy? Possibly.
More honestly, it's likely just due to some low-self-esteem personal validation (see, my taste isn't that arbitrarily bad) or because I don't wanna think of myself as a dickwad elitist, or because it's a hoot to have something you genuinely enjoy be popular for a change, rather than convince yourself to appreciate something after the fact (Radiohead), because it's vastly better than all the other garbaggio out there that lots of people like. Of course, by acknowledging this nagging desire, I'm also acknowledging that my critical judgment is pathetically flawed.
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Is AC licensing every (or any) track for commercial use? That makes a huge difference. Journalistic attention is one thing but Moby went way over the fucking top with his commercial aspirations.
Plus he bowdlerized the lyrics of a classic punk tune for commercial gain even before Play. Some things are not forgivable.
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Hah...I was expecting to click that link and see a bunch of songs from MPP listed alongside the names of companies that had licensed each song.
That said, I was pleasantly surprised by Moby's set the other night.
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Giving in to the hype, I'm giving MPP a listen.
And I hate it. Can I please turn it off and never have to hear it again?
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And I hate it. Can I please turn it off and never have to hear it again?
if the author of the above article is right, the answer (for the next 1-2 years, at least) is "no".
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I couldnt see them getting too mainstream. Their music isnt as accessible as that author wants to believe. Even the new one. Did i miss something? Are they already on commercials? I DVR and skip commercials, due to the fact that i hate having people tell me what to buy. At least if they are on commercials, they can make some money off of their music outside of touring, since a lot of people dont bother paying for their music anymore.
The Moby comparison is kind of early and possibly wrong. Moby made a shit cd that everybody loved and got tons of play and commercial success. His cd was also almost easy listening, I bet my grandma would have like it. I dont think she would have liked AC, even with the "poppy" MPP. I doubt they become the new Staind/Killers/Jonas Brothers.
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I wouldn't necessarily mind hearing AC's music in a commercial, since A) it would be brief and B) it's not in the context of "I'm listening to this." But when I put it on in the car or at home or wherever, within 3 songs, I'm thinking about switching to something better. Like Nickelback.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKEgvluDZJA
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I just remembered that they did do this ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKEgvluDZJA) a while back.
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you mean the one that is linked in the post right above you? ;)
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Maybe my post refreshed his memory? ;D
you mean the one that is linked in the post right above you? ;)
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you mean the one that is linked in the post right above you? ;)
Oops...
<note to self click on youtube links before posting your own.>
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i just heard my first ac song on the sirius, just now, called "my girls." moby?? try a new and improved version mixture of sting and paul simon with an indie/pophop/u2 presence. or perhaps it was just that one song?
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Walkonby, check out the first track here (http://www.bansheebeat.com/ac/Stuart%20Maconies%20Freak%20Zone,%20BBC%206%20-%2025.01.2009/) and name that vocal sample.
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Walkonby, check out the first track here (http://www.bansheebeat.com/ac/Stuart%20Maconies%20Freak%20Zone,%20BBC%206%20-%2025.01.2009/) and name that vocal sample.
i enjoi "the orb" like quality of the instrumental of wwiws, but the vocal escapes me . . . bonoish . . . stingy?
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1:18 in. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WycvYhKW08)
It's definitely tweaked almost beyond recognition but that has to be it.
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oh my god . . . so what you are saying, if that is a clip from unbroken chain . . . ac is either saying that wwiws is about singing like shit, or that wwiws is their swan song songs that means the end of the road?
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ESPN.com has published a review of MPP (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/news/story?id=3910900). i don't know what to think of this album anymore... did they publish a review of "Play", too?
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I'll never understand the "out there" and "inaccessible" comments when it comes to this album. 98% of it sounds like straight-forward 60's-inspired catchy pop music that's sonically decorated with pretty ornaments throughout to me. The only exception is the drony ending of "Daily Routine." Then again, I guess I approached it from a different place than this guy did.
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What in the worllld is a "Soft Sale" and why did I just have to pay $133 bucks for two tickets to see my favorite band on ebay ahha Oh welll. Its SOOO worth it mann. I CANT WAIT. ahhh
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What in the worllld is a "Soft Sale" and why did I just have to pay $133 bucks for two tickets to see my favorite band on ebay ahha Oh welll. Its SOOO worth it mann. I CANT WAIT. ahhh
soft sale: tickets are on sale to the public, but the fact isn't advertized. essentially, it's a pre-sale for those in-the-know. you can be in-the-know by signing up for 930's weekly e-mail blast, and/or paying attention to this board. if it's any consolation, AC sold out really quickly even for a soft sale - many folks got shut out even though they knew about the sale.
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I was sure there would be a huge glut of tickets available for face or less on the day of this show and that nobody would pay the outlandish fees scalpers are trying to charge to see Animal Collective but I guess I was wrong. I love AC but watching people react irrationally to internet hype is fun.
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i don't know how familiar any of you all are with hipster runoff, but its a joke site .. for the most part. i mean it is written in internet slang and classifies hipsters as altbros, entry level alts, etc. anyhow, this animal collective post is amazing. however, its too long to post, so here are some highlights:
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2009/01/animal-collective-is-a-band-created-byforon-the-internet.html
one part of this super long analysis:
?I h8 AnCo because the people who like Animal Collective are s00 annoying.?
After understanding the internet-era and the pressure for bands/labels to create these non-profit lifestyle brands, you can now begin to explore the ?types of fans who love Animal Collective.? They are probably a sampling from the absolute worst type of people to ?talk about music.? In their world, music is the most important art form, and Animal Collective is the master of the arts. Animal Collective shits on everything else, whether or not is art. Most of the most ardent Animal Collective fans are ?failed creative-types? who have convinced themselves that they ?could have made the music that Animal Collective made? if they ?just saved up some money to buy ________(type of instrument).?
These are Anco fan stereotypes:
a) the bros who are waaay too connected to ?new bands? and ?music news? and ?whatz goin on? in the world of independent music
b) bros who ?don?t care about what?s going on in the altmusicsphere? because they ?only care about how music makes them FEEL?
c) bros who pretend to only care about judging music based on ?how it sounds? but secretly check P4k rankings on a weekly basis to construct what they ?like? based on how they perceive the masses are digesting new content.
I feel like the most annoying thing about Animal Collective fans is their ?evangelistic? tendencies. It?s kind of like a ?cult? that is asking you to ?trash your pre-existing tastes and experiences when it comes to music, and join the AnCo army.? To them, Animal Collective is a band that satisfies ?what they are looking for in a band? from a musical and social perspective. They have told themselves that in their perfect version of society, every one will participate in communal sound sessions. Every sound ever made in this perfect society will be recorded, and later used in a meaningful song. We will all have animal/weird names and be inducted into THE ANIMAL COLLECTIVE at sundown on Sunday nights. We will sacrifice humans who do not appreciate our society.
ANNNND...
SWOT ANALYSIS on AnCo
Strengths:
* Conceptual
* U don?t really know what they are singing about (in a good way)
* they sound ?good?
* They are a well-implemented brand
* Core audience of evangelists
* They have the internet perception economy on their side
* ?nice guys?
* meaningful album art
* ability to create LEAK DEMAND
Weaknesses:
* The sing a lot about fatherhood but might not have that many fans who are fathers
* Don?t play enough songs from ?their most recent album? at shows
* too experimental?
* Too much LEAK buzz when they are not on a Lil Wayne level yet
* They all live in different parts of the world
* They rule the world (they used 2 rule the world) -the coldplays
Opportunities:
* Less Avey Tare?
* More Panda?
* License more songs for commercials
* Come out with a 6 song EP per 6 months and ?stay relevant? forever
* The death of jam bands and festival and the rise of jam bands at festivals
* Starting a mini record label that exploits bands that have a similar aesthetic to build an economy for ?nontraditional music?
* Record deal with the iTunes LBL
* play at the Obama inauguration
* We will never know if they are ?not good? any more or if they are just ?too much? for our mainstream ears.
Threats:
* What happens if Avey Tare / Panda leave the band?
* They might get ?disenfranchised? with the ?music scene?
* They will focus on their families and take a 10 year break
* Geologist will make a solo album that ?kinda sux? and ruins the brand
* Deakin is better than the current 3 members of anCo
* Hype Backlash in 2k11
* Getting ?too progressive? before our ears are ready for it
* turning into ass holes who care too much about ?social change.?
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I've heard one of the guys who runs that site's sirius/xm/whatever you call it now's weekly radio show. He speaks in that tone throughout and never breaks character. It's hilarious at first but gets annoying fast.
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I've heard one of the guys who runs that site's sirius/xm/whatever you call it now's weekly radio show. He speaks in that tone throughout and never breaks character. It's hilarious at first but gets annoying fast.
lulz ys. crls? ya i've heard him on blog radio too.
it seems like brooklyn vegan is always on there too.
however, i'd rather listen to then bloggers than jenny elischu.
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i don't know how familiar any of you all are with hipster runoff, but its a joke site
That gave me a headache.
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"Animal Collective's status as avant-indie's premiere jam band has now officially been solidified. According to a Tweet from their management company, the
band has cleared the first ever officially licensed Grateful Dead sample. (Via Gorilla Vs. Bear.)
The currently unreleased track "What Would I Want Sky" contains a sample of the Dead song "Unbroken Chain". According to Leg Up! Management, Dead bassist
Phil Lesh himself professed his love for the song.
Right now, there are no confirmed plans to release "What Would I Want Sky", though bootlegs of the track are floating around the internet. In an interview
with the A.V. Club, the band had this to say about the track:
Brian Weitz [aka Geologist]: "And 'What Would I Want Sky' is something that Dave [Portner, aka Avey Tare] wrote for Merriweather and sent Noah [Lennox,
Panda Bear] and I, but we didn't have time to work on parts before we got to the studio, and then one day a week, the engineer would like to have a day
off. But we would usually go into the studio anyway and work on the songs that we had never played live, and some that didn?t make it on the record. 'What
Would I Want Sky' is one we just never got to. We just didn't have enough time, so we worked on it in Lisbon in January. We all went to Lisbon to hang
out for a week, and that?s when we made a full-band version of that song."
David Portner [aka Avey Tare]: "Hopefully, we're gonna do a kind of 'Brother Sport' EP at the end of the year, with the extra tracks and maybe 'What Would
I Want Sky'. I think that would be sweet."
Yes, it would be sweet."
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are you indeed ac "psychic"? and will it indeed be the "end of the road for their (ac) career, such as it was for the dead when phil finally broke in out in 1995 at the spectrum? strange they are doing this now seeing how the spectrum is, as well, almost near no more.
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What are the odds of one of them ending up in Phil's next lineup?
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"Animal Collective's status as avant-indie's premiere jam band has now officially been solidified. According to a Tweet from their management company, the
band has cleared the first ever officially licensed Grateful Dead sample. (Via Gorilla Vs. Bear.)
I guess they're not counting John Oswald (http://www.pfony.com/)'s Grayfolded (http://cdbaby.com/cd/grayfolded).