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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on October 15, 2010, 10:23:54 am
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This can't be good for business....
Man fatally beaten outside D.C. nightclub (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/crime-and-public-safety/man-shot-killed-near-9th-and-u.html?hpid=newswell)
A man was beaten to death by a group of others early Friday after he allegedly hurled a brick through the window of a nightclub in the bustling U Street neighborhood, D.C. police said.
The man, whose name was not released pending notification of his family, reportedly threw the brick through the window of DC9 Nightclub, located at 1940 9th Street NW, just south of U Street, police said.
Officer Istmania Bonilla, a police spokeswoman, said between three and five people came out of the club after the window was shattered, pursued the man down the block and "severely beat him."
Police were notified just after 2:30 a.m., Bonilla said. The man was taken to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
Detectives are questioning people who witnessed the assault, Bonilla said, and do not yet know what may have motivated the man to throw the brick through the window. Police sealed off the 2000 block of 9th Street for several hours so that detectives could search the crime scene in daylight.
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wow... that's hardcore.
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what the hell is wrong with people today?? Hopefully they get these knuckleheads and they get the full punishment
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what the hell is wrong with people today?? Hopefully they get these knuckleheads and they get the full punishment
If someone hit you with a brick, you just gonna take it? I have to imagine one of the assailants was hit by the brick when it came through the window, but I'm just assuming.
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np: U2 'October'
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what the hell is wrong with people today?? Hopefully they get these knuckleheads and they get the full punishment
If someone hit you with a brick, you just gonna take it? I have to imagine one of the assailants was hit by the brick when it came through the window, but I'm just assuming.
like it or not, it doesn't justify a beating. from the link i posted in my thread , it sounds like it was DC9 employees doing the beating.
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http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/10/man-found-dead-in-northwest-21726.html
Looking through all the Twitter stuff and comments from just about every story there are about 100 stories going around. Some say the man was held for 45 minutes in police custody before being taken away by the police. Some stories say patrons ran out, others say employees. Employees are arrested. This is terrible.
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This is absolutely horrifying.
5 DC9 employees arrested: http://dcist.com/2010/10/five_dc9_employees_arrested_in_kill.php
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http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/10/man-found-dead-in-northwest-21726.html
Looking through all the Twitter stuff and comments from just about every story there are about 100 stories going around. Some say the man was held for 45 minutes in police custody before being taken away by the police. Some stories say patrons ran out, others say employees. Employees are arrested. This is terrible.
Looks like the owner of DC9 was one of those arrested and charged with second-degree murder.
Crazy.
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Indeed horrifying, but i coulsn't help laughing at the second comment.
This is absolutely horrifying.
5 DC9 employees arrested: http://dcist.com/2010/10/five_dc9_employees_arrested_in_kill.php
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Comments on stories like this are always gold:
"That area really needs an Ethiopian restaurant"
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is there a gay bar next door to dc-nine?
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DC updated Twitter feed and website with this: http://www.dcnine.com/event/thank-you-friends-family-employees-and-long-time-patrons/
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And more, with an inset video interview with another employee who witnessed the incident: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Man-Dies-After-Incident-at-U-Street-Area-Club-105017009.html
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speaking as someone that has been on the wrong side of rumor and conjecture regarding similarly unfortunate situations, i would urge everyone to withhold judgment until all of the facts come to light.
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i've seen a bartender there jump over the bar and run down 9th street after a guy with a baseball bat in a similar situation (denied entry near closing, but no brick through window)
PS: from the denials of the staff, sounds like there might be an "eggshell skull" situation, total speculation though
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull
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is there a gay bar next door to dc-nine?
Nelly's? The gay sports bar...
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oh no! where will i preparty before GBV???!?!?
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Nelly's. The gay sports bar...
oh no! where will i preparty before GBV???!?!?
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We can all "party" there.
Nelly's. The gay sports bar...
oh no! where will i preparty before GBV???!?!?
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We can all "party" there.
Nelly's. The gay sports bar...
oh no! where will i preparty before GBV???!?!?
Gayyyy
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We can all "party" there.
Nelly's. The gay sports bar...
oh no! where will i preparty before GBV???!?!?
Gayyyy
(http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/flame-insults/2/cat-rape-you.jpg)
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N0/ScuzOsxmqOI/AAAAAAAAGtc/Ya18yeH2GEk/s400/harley+cat.jpg)
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like it or not, it doesn't justify a beating. from the link i posted in my thread , it sounds like it was DC9 employees doing the beating.
You are correct. It doesn't justify a beating.
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and here i thought you just get stabbed and shot at when seeing a show in dc.
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and here i thought you just get stabbed and shot at when seeing a show in dc.
Depends if its a go-go show.
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Nelly's. The gay sports bar...
oh no! where will i preparty before GBV???!?!?
Do they have Schlitz? How's the jukebox?
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holy crap.
Poor DC PR, you can hear sirens going in that dcist video for the first minute or two.
Where is samantha these days??
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holy crap.
Poor DC PR, you can hear sirens going in that dcist video for the first minute or two.
Where is samantha these days??
Samantha's gone man..she don't have the DOREMI no more..
Last I heard of her she was scavenging around for a Griderman ticket..
Her glory days long gone apparently..
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Shit did she really not get a Grinderman ticket?
Edit: not even sold out.
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Shit did she really not get a Grinderman ticket?
Edit: not even sold out.
Read my fingertips man: she ain't go the do re mi.. and if you don't have the do re mi you can't buy no ticket! woody sang that...
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Do they have Schlitz? How's the jukebox?
Schlitz is the only beer I ever drink at DC9. Where else can you get it?
This story is beyond f'd up. I hope it gets straightened out.
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I walked by DC9 last night after stoping by the club to buy some advance tickets. Does anyone know how every window of the place got broken out? The story made it sound like it was just the front window that got broken.
When buying advance tix, I got to witness the staff deny entrance to that night's show (Pepper, I think) to a lad who had been underage drinking out front. Josh and the gang were utterly professional as always.
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Does anyone know how every window of the place got broken out?
Obviously, I have no idea, other than reading the articles and watching the video. I gather the guy threw two bricks the first time, then came back and threw two more. (the man said they were surprised to find an additional brick after the first throw, then when he came back he threw two more?) Also, one article [link posted here] said someone at the show that night put his fist through a window? (I guessed that occurred upstairs?)
I always felt safe there with the outside sometimes sketchy surprisingly, since it's so close to everything. Mostly just people semi-loitering, or harassing as they walk by. When they first opened, I thought the person working the door was fairly rude (three different times), as was the bartender / server. But that was awhile ago. Have always favored 930 staph, of course.
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I am sick and fucking tired of the Post referring to U St. corridor as "vibrant" every time a violent crime happens to hit the news from there. Like it's any more of a fucking tragedy someone gets gunned down/stomped to death there than on Good Hope Rd.
OMG! U ST. IS SO VIBRANT! THERE ARE SOOOOO MANY WHITE PEOPLE WHO HANG OUT THERE IN OVERPRICED BARS! WHAT A FUCKING TRAGEDY!!!!
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speaking as someone that has been on the wrong side of rumor and conjecture regarding similarly unfortunate situations, i would urge everyone to withhold judgment until all of the facts come to light.
the voice of reason! 4 of the men have been released and charges dropped from 2nd degree murder to aggravated assault.
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I was at the show that night. Pretty damn great. Did not stick around long enough for the brick toss incident.
http://www.welovedc.com/2010/10/18/we-love-music-agnostic-front-dc9-101410/
It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
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I am sick and fucking tired of the Post referring to U St. corridor as "vibrant" every time a violent crime happens to hit the news from there. Like it's any more of a fucking tragedy someone gets gunned down/stomped to death there than on Good Hope Rd.
OMG! U ST. IS SO VIBRANT! THERE ARE SOOOOO MANY WHITE PEOPLE WHO HANG OUT THERE IN OVERPRICED BARS! WHAT A FUCKING TRAGEDY!!!!
Well, people tend forget when U Street had spots like Kaffa House and State Of The Union. Way before there was a bright idea to put Busboys And Poets on 14th Street and to turn Bar-Nun into Club Pure. And way before Erico's became Tabaq's and U Street Music Hall took over the Cue Bar. All kinds of crazy shit would happen on U Street. But remember, they built those high-rise condos in that area to drive up the value. Therefore, people think because its becoming an expensive neighborhood means its always safe. If they only knew.
speaking as someone that has been on the wrong side of rumor and conjecture regarding similarly unfortunate situations, i would urge everyone to withhold judgment until all of the facts come to light.
the voice of reason! 4 of the men have been released and charges dropped from 2nd degree murder to aggravated assault.
yeah, and i know 3 of the guys, including the owner, involved. all around i feel bad for the family with their loss and the lives who are ruin because of this.
Comments on stories like this are always gold:
"That area really needs an Ethiopian restaurant"
Thats the crucial part to all of this. The Ethiopian community may react to this in a certain way.
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yeah, and i know 3 of the guys, including the owner, involved. all around i feel bad for the family with their loss and the lives who are ruin because of this.
You know who I really feel bad for (shocking, I know)? The co-owner who wasn't involved in this. He is so far up shit creek without a paddle right now.
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Still, I think I'd prefer to be the non-incarcerated owner.
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yeah, and i know 3 of the guys, including the owner, involved. all around i feel bad for the family with their loss and the lives who are ruin because of this.
You know who I really feel bad for (shocking, I know)? The co-owner who wasn't involved in this. He is so far up shit creek without a paddle right now.
Well, then you got the booking agency thats moving the shows from DC9 to RNR due to the shut down.
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I think I'd rather be anyone but the dead guy.
Still, I think I'd prefer to be the non-incarcerated owner.
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Even Hitler?
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NKOTB WISHES HE WERE HITLER
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Your second post renders my post null & void.
Carry on.
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Does anyone know how every window of the place got broken out?
Obviously, I have no idea, other than reading the articles and watching the video. I gather the guy threw two bricks the first time, then came back and threw two more. (the man said they were surprised to find an additional brick after the first throw, then when he came back he threw two more?) Also, one article [link posted here] said someone at the show that night put his fist through a window? (I guessed that occurred upstairs?)
I always felt safe there with the outside sometimes sketchy surprisingly, since it's so close to everything. Mostly just people semi-loitering, or harassing as they walk by. When they first opened, I thought the person working the door was fairly rude (three different times), as was the bartender / server. But that was awhile ago. Have always favored 930 staph, of course.
Someone punched through the downstairs window around 1 or 130am and the cops came and arrested him, the guy who died came around 230am after they were closed and threw 2 bricks after being kicked out earlier and then denied re-entry.
I know 3 of the 5 guys and I know for a fact they would never "Kick & stomp" a person's head while they were being held down. The most docile people I've probably ever met. I can never see any of them doing anything this horrific. I feel sorry for the guy who lost his life. It's sad but I really think the story has been more than skewed in this story. I just know i KNOW they could not and did not do this.
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Apparently the family of the victim is saying that he was really rough, violent and careless and always maliciously tried to single out the most docile people to die in front of.
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Relaxer owning this thread.
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Relaxer owning this thread.
Agreed. I stay away from this thread until I see that Relaxer posted. Clearly on a roll and well on his way to Boardie of the Year.
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Apparently the family of the victim is saying that he was really rough, violent and careless and always maliciously tried to single out the most docile people to die in front of.
I'd like to see a source for this.
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^ Not everything is online ya know... but I too am curious to know more about that.
I'm also curious about the autopsy and what was the actual cause of death. I keep hoping that it turns out that it was something not as it seems. The odds aren't good on that but I just have a hard time believing that anyone at DC9 would go so far as cause another's death. At best, that eggshell skull theory maybe that was noted. Then again, I wasn't there and don't know anymore details than we have here in this thread.
Saturday night, some off duty cop was killed outside a bar in Baltimore by a hunk of concrete pulled out of the sidewalk. Something about a parking space. Don't know much on that either but couldn't help but think of this incident. Weird weekend for chunks of bricks, bars and death.
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^On a lighter note, surprised to have not run into you at that PRF/Pfisters/SVI Saturday Baltimore show. I thought you'd be there especially since Screen Vinyl were on the bill.
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Bad timing as I wasn't in Baltimore that night.
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Apparently the family of the victim is saying that he was really rough, violent and careless and always maliciously tried to single out the most docile people to die in front of.
I'd like to see a source for this.
please, please tell me you didn't take relaxer's statement seriously.
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^um pretty sure he was joking just like Relaxer was
Anywhoooo, DC9's liquor license has been suspended and they've canceled or moved every show through November 1st.
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Sunny Day in Glasgow moved to RnR. ;(
Most shows canceled.
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I am worried this place is history..
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Every show cancelled or moved. Liquor license suspended indefinitely.
Ayayay.
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I am worried this place is history..
And a loss -- they have that nice new roof deck..
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I am worried this place is history..
And a loss -- they have that nice new roof deck..
I always wanted a 9:35 club for smaller and/or acoustic acts...meeting place
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I am worried this place is history..
And a loss -- they have that nice new roof deck..
I was thinking that too, still hadn't had a chance to make it out.
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I am worried this place is history..
And a loss -- they have that nice new roof deck..
I doubt it would be a total loss - it would probably get scooped up by someone else. But we can only hope that it would retain the same vibe and book the same kind of shows. DC9 was second to 9:30 on my list of places to see shows :-\
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our last show there seeing Sam Amidon was truly special ;)
I doubt it would be a total loss - it would probably get scooped up by someone else. But we can only hope that it would retain the same vibe and book the same kind of shows. DC9 was second to 9:30 on my list of places to see shows :-\
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BC Backstage and Velvet and all the house spaces in DC I've been to > DC9
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yeah but BC backstage prefers those stupid dance parties over shows.
BC Backstage and Velvet and all the house spaces in DC I've been to > DC9
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dc9 became a really good place to see a show within the past year. booking got better, they stayed on schedule with set times regularly, the upstairs was much better after construction and the roof bar was extremely nice.
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BC Backstage and Velvet and all the house spaces in DC I've been to > DC9
Backstage? Really? Hater.
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Yeah I guess I'll give you this. The stupid dance parties bring in cash though. Sad but true.
yeah but BC backstage prefers those stupid dance parties over shows.
BC Backstage and Velvet and all the house spaces in DC I've been to > DC9
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BC Backstage and Velvet and all the house spaces in DC I've been to > DC9
totally disagree. The booking at DC9 was better than booking for Backstage. And the fact that shows actually start on time and don't end after Metro stops running puts it leagues ahead of Velvet for me. I could NEVER go to shows at Velvet because (a) I have a day job and (b) I am not a vampire. oh and (c) I neeeeed sleeeeeeep. I've seen some amazing shows at DC9 in the past year+
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Yeah I guess I'll give you this. The stupid dance parties bring in cash though. Sad but true.
yeah but BC backstage prefers those stupid dance parties over shows.
BC Backstage and Velvet and all the house spaces in DC I've been to > DC9
5 hour dance parties > 45 minute indie band set full of covers because they have 1 EP
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DC9 +es:
schlitz cans
private bathroom
nice jukebox
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DC9 +es:
schlitz cans
private bathroom
nice jukebox
i heard the place was nice . . . so nice, people are dying to get in.
(http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/4/0/2/ba_dum_tsh.jpg)
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private bathroom
guess you'll have to do your key bumps at R&R now
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totally disagree. The booking at DC9 was better than booking for Backstage. And the fact that shows actually start on time and don't end after Metro stops running puts it leagues ahead of Velvet for me. I could NEVER go to shows at Velvet because (a) I have a day job and (b) I am not a vampire. oh and (c) I neeeeed sleeeeeeep. I've seen some amazing shows at DC9 in the past year+
Oh really? You worthless prick. Buy a car. The world doesn't stop because you don't drive and rely on Metro to get home.
Sincerely,
Everyone who bitched at me for bitching on this forum about a headlining act at Velvet not going on until 11:45 on a weeknight.
Seriously, Velvet Lounge fucking sucks. Sucks that DC9 is going under. Saw Plants and Animals there. One of the best shows ever.
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TMUL, you remind me of the psychiatrist on that Geico commercial.
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Seriously, Velvet Lounge fucking sucks. Sucks that DC9 is going under. Saw Plants and Animals there. One of the best shows ever.
Yes, it sucks if you're a whiny hipster who supports live music venues booked by a douchebag who ONLY books national acts forcefed by the pseudo-corporate agency triumvirate of Agency Group/Windish/Billions, or local acts that must draw "50 heads" or else they'll find themselves threatened by said booker. Same local bands will surely miss the great "door tally" and the expenses-first rip-off deal. Obviously, there's no love lost for me on this place.
I booked shows at DC9 in 2005 and 2006, and due to disinterested owners and really shitty soundmen, the vibe there was far less warm and exciting than it was at the Warehouse Next Door or the Velvet (post-Chris Connelly era). I had some good shows there despite the negativity, but the lack of support and dishonesty I received from the owners put me off enough so that I never wanted to deal with them again. Say what you want about the Velvet, but it's really the only small venue in DC that will take chances on challenging music and true independent artists. And if any of you actually went there to see these bands, you'd know that the scheduling has tightened up and many shows end before midnight during the weekday.
Anyway, this thread isn't a DC9 vs Velvet Lounge debate. I don't know the facts of this case yet, and neither does anyone else here, so I'll reserve judgment on the suspects until I hear further details. I will say this, however: under the influence of certain narcotics or revenge-fueled adrenalin or a combination of both, seemingly harmless people are capable of being violent, especially when there are five of them armed with wounded pride. And knowing two of the five being charged, I wouldn't be surprised to know that either caved in to their basest instinct to wallop a drunk asshole who threw a brick through a window at 2:30am.
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this thread demonstrates why I still heart this forum.
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Say what you want about the Velvet, but it's really the only small venue in DC that will take chances on challenging music and true independent artists.
When they're not ripping off local musicians. Then I guess, it's OK. You guys still serving warm beer?
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Say what you want about the Velvet, but it's really the only small venue in DC that will take chances on challenging music and true independent artists.
When they're not ripping off local musicians. Then I guess, it's OK. You guys still serving warm beer?
Back it up or STFU.
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Have to agree with snailhook on this one
While none of us know the dc9 facts yet (i never once saw a show there, why? cause snail hook was right on point with what he said), velvet lounge is the only "real" (not saying basements and DIY aren't real shows here, but those whining about velvet lounge, would be surprised how many DIY venues rip off the people that play there) that would take a chance on weird, avant, obscure music and art. No where else in dc would I have been able to do DNA TEST FEST, or book XENO AND OAKLANDER. no where, not dc 9, not black cat, not u street no where. I know everyone at lounge extremely well, and sure i would bet anything there have been times that bands didn't get paid what they thought they should, but at every show i've been involved with or knew people involved, bands got treated right.
velvet for what it is, is pretty rare almost anywhere as far as real venues go. trust me if the lounge was to disapear, at least for a long while, there'd be an even bigger hole in live music then dc9 disappearing. and while this is a generic thing to say and im re-hashing what snailhook said: THERE ARE MORE BANDS OUT THERE THEN JUST THE PITCHFORK BANDS AND OVER HYPED LOCAL BANDS DC9 SEEMED TO BOOK.
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Agree with Epstein 100%.
Only saw one show at DC9. They never got any bands I wanted to see.
I miss them as a place to get my drink on before and after 930 shows.. but not for the band
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Not privvy to their business practices but I saw a bunch of great shows there over the years.
Adam Franklin of Swervedriver was a really special one this year. Plus anyone willing to book Serena-Maneesh twice in a year gets my vote.
I think that DC9 was part of a great balance of venues established in DC over the last few years. DC9 and Velvet have nice yin and yang effect regarding indie bands. I'd be sorry to see either of them go down.
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So between them Epstein and Hutch have seen ONE show at DC9, but yet that's enough for them to both condemn the place.
Did I tell you guys about that crappy Broken Social Scene show at the Black Cat a few years back?
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I read no condemnation from either. Just that both said that DC9 did not book shows that either of them cared to see.
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The number good thing about Velvet is that for an artists it is easier to book a show there. However, if you're not careful, you can get double-booked. Its happened to me before but we straightened things out. DC9, sometimes, was hard to get gigs from. Since I was more so into indie hip hop and etc., the opening for that door was pretty slim and it was hard to get openers from time to time. But overall, I had a good repoire with the everyone there and I would just go there to have fun.
Last show I did there was with Black & Tan Fantasy Band opening up for this band NOMA. Good atmosphere as always and the show was pretty enjoyable. Not to mention, the hook up with the deck was a damn good start for something new in that place.
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LIke I said.. I'm sad its closed.. Hope they work it out but I think its highly doubtful...
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Did I tell you guys about that crappy Broken Social Scene show at the Black Cat a few years back?
heh
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some think "this person" or "that person" is the best thing going for this thread. i think the guy who died who caused this thread to start in the first place . . . deserves all the credit for keeping it "alive."
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some think "this person" or "that person" is the best thing going for this thread. i think the guy who died who caused this thread to start in the first place . . . deserves all the credit for keeping it "alive."
I think the local blogosphere owes him a debt of gratitude too, for boosting their page views.
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some think "this person" or "that person" is the best thing going for this thread. i think the guy who died who caused this thread to start in the first place . . . deserves all the credit for keeping it "alive."
My vote goes to the person who invented glass and the satisfying sound it makes when penetrated. Absent the glass window, the thrower would've thrown a brick but the glass wouldn't have stopped it so it would've sailed through DC9 and out the back window and hit a villain who was mugging my grandma and then five bouncers would've rushed out to give the guy high fives, except one of the high fives missed and hit him in the head and he fell over and died, the end.
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some think "this person" or "that person" is the best thing going for this thread. i think the guy who died who caused this thread to start in the first place . . . deserves all the credit for keeping it "alive."
My vote goes to the person who invented glass and the satisfying sound it makes when penetrated. Absent the glass window, the thrower would've thrown a brick but the glass wouldn't have stopped it so it would've sailed through DC9 and out the back window and hit a villain who was mugging my grandma and then five bouncers would've rushed out to give the guy high fives, except one of the high fives missed and hit him in the head and he fell over and died, the end.
you . . . got me there. not, the end, just yet.
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some think "this person" or "that person" is the best thing going for this thread. i think the guy who died who caused this thread to start in the first place . . . deserves all the credit for keeping it "alive."
I think the local blogosphere owes him a debt of gratitude too, for boosting their page views.
You are 100% on point with that.
The ironic part of it is that Red Palace is opening up as this happened.
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All charges have been dropped:
http://dcist.com/2010/11/breaking_charges_dropped_against_dc.php
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good. now can they have their liquor license back?
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dc-9 reopening party:
free (unless denied entrance)
bands
brick (reunite show)
the english beat
broken bones
blood (reunite show)
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good. now can they have their liquor license back?
They better. Been fiendin' for my happy hour over there.
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wow, walky on a roll today ;D
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somebody has to try to steal that manly man, relaxer's thunder.
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All charges have been dropped:
http://dcist.com/2010/11/breaking_charges_dropped_against_dc.php
Washington Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/05/AR2010110505333.html
Includes the desperately-in-need-of-copyediting line "The man had all insisted they were innicent."
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hmm, do these editors not have spell check? are they using their blackberry to write the article ;D
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They misspelled "Mohammed," too.
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All charges have been dropped:
http://dcist.com/2010/11/breaking_charges_dropped_against_dc.php
Washington Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/05/AR2010110505333.html
Includes the desperately-in-need-of-copyediting line "The man had all insisted they were innicent."
Now, there's going to be some concerns raised since its happened in a heavily populated Ethiopian community. Not saying that something drastic will happen. But I think the effects of the cops busting the employees and Lanier making her knee-jerk comments has definitely done some damage. All in all, I'm glad my friends are ok. And hopefully can stay that way.
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Looks like a rally/protest is being planned:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Rally_over_Nightclub_Death_Washington_DC-106865763.html
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Are they going to get it right this time and add extra Metro trains for this one?
Looks like a rally/protest is being planned:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Rally_over_Nightclub_Death_Washington_DC-106865763.html
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Looks like a rally/protest is being planned:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Rally_over_Nightclub_Death_Washington_DC-106865763.html
*sigh*
I like how one lady was interviewed and said "I knew him, he was a good kid" then turned around and had some statement omitted and said she had it omitted because it "made him look like he drank too much and faught a lot." Really?
Only a dickhead throws bricks through a window of a place he was denied entry to, drunk or not. Not defending Dc9 or anything, but cmon.
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Only a dickhead throws bricks through a window of a place he was denied entry to, drunk or not. Not defending Dc9 or anything, but cmon.
you should explain that to his family...
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Looks like a rally/protest is being planned:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Rally_over_Nightclub_Death_Washington_DC-106865763.html
*sigh*
I like how one lady was interviewed and said "I knew him, he was a good kid" then turned around and had some statement omitted and said she had it omitted because it "made him look like he drank too much and faught a lot." Really?
Only a dickhead throws bricks through a window of a place he was denied entry to, drunk or not. Not defending Dc9 or anything, but cmon.
You're speaking logic and someone dying like this involves emotions. People are going to speak from a very compassionate side of this. And I agree, I don't like the fact the kid lost his life either but the fact he decided to throw a brick the window.....I mean, thats something I don't think they should overlook.
Saw that protest coming a mile away. Like I said, its the Ethiopian community and the mainly stick together.
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You're speaking logic and someone dying like this involves emotions.
See, this is why I like you! You've got a good mind and lots of common sense. That's probably why you know how to deal with others here in a very light handed way who have given you crap in the past.
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Looks like a rally/protest is being planned:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Rally_over_Nightclub_Death_Washington_DC-106865763.html
*sigh*
I like how one lady was interviewed and said "I knew him, he was a good kid" then turned around and had some statement omitted and said she had it omitted because it "made him look like he drank too much and faught a lot." Really?
Only a dickhead throws bricks through a window of a place he was denied entry to, drunk or not. Not defending Dc9 or anything, but cmon.
You're speaking logic and someone dying like this involves emotions. People are going to speak from a very compassionate side of this. And I agree, I don't like the fact the kid lost his life either but the fact he decided to throw a brick the window.....I mean, thats something I don't think they should overlook.
Saw that protest coming a mile away. Like I said, its the Ethiopian community and the mainly stick together.
I feel for his family and the community, but I feel like they're one sided, and maybe we are too. They're saying that Dc9 was bad for the community and that they had bad clientele? Come on man. It's obvious a tragedy and a shame and sad, but I feel like it's being looked at as a race thing. These 'punk' kids at a dive bar getting drunk and beating 1 poor ethiopian kid up, it's like they don't realize he was kicked out and drunk and threw possibly 2 bricks through a window of a closed bar. It's a shame really for everyone involved. I just wish the truth would come out. Still no results from the autopsy...
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Looks like a rally/protest is being planned:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Rally_over_Nightclub_Death_Washington_DC-106865763.html
*sigh*
I like how one lady was interviewed and said "I knew him, he was a good kid" then turned around and had some statement omitted and said she had it omitted because it "made him look like he drank too much and faught a lot." Really?
Only a dickhead throws bricks through a window of a place he was denied entry to, drunk or not. Not defending Dc9 or anything, but cmon.
You're speaking logic and someone dying like this involves emotions. People are going to speak from a very compassionate side of this. And I agree, I don't like the fact the kid lost his life either but the fact he decided to throw a brick the window.....I mean, thats something I don't think they should overlook.
Saw that protest coming a mile away. Like I said, its the Ethiopian community and the mainly stick together.
I feel for his family and the community, but I feel like they're one sided, and maybe we are too. They're saying that Dc9 was bad for the community and that they had bad clientele? Come on man. It's obvious a tragedy and a shame and sad, but I feel like it's being looked at as a race thing. These 'punk' kids at a dive bar getting drunk and beating 1 poor ethiopian kid up, it's like they don't realize he was kicked out and drunk and threw possibly 2 bricks through a window of a closed bar. It's a shame really for everyone involved. I just wish the truth would come out. Still no results from the autopsy...
DC9 is not even as bad as their trying to potray which is the funny part. Yeah, just like any club, there's been some shit that's gone down these places. But for the most part, its been a real laid back and welcoming place as any other spot has been in DC.
Might not be race necessarily. More so a cultural issue. Tha community is tight nit with each other. They do deserve to know what happened to that kid. However, with what Lanier did in the media and the inconclusive evidence for this kid dying constantly being stated, its going to be tough. Rooting for blind justice is not the answer, IMO, and the police dept. hasn't said much except for the investigation will continue. On top of that, a witness has changed their story as to seeing them not murder the guy and he was up and moving.
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You're speaking logic and someone dying like this involves emotions.
See, this is why I like you! You've got a good mind and lots of common sense. That's probably why you know how to deal with others here in a very light handed way who have given you crap in the past.
Thanx. Appreciate it.
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Live chat today at 11am about this issue. Email your questions.
http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-neighborhoods/2010/11/dc9-case-live-chat-friday-at-11-a-m--4513.html (http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-neighborhoods/2010/11/dc9-case-live-chat-friday-at-11-a-m--4513.html)
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hearing next week on Weds. to re-open DC9 at ABRA on U Street. around 930 am.
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hearing next week on Weds. to re-open DC9 at ABRA on U Street. around 930 am.
will you be providing tickets to win for dc-9 shows if they reopen . . . or will you steer cleer?
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hearing next week on Weds. to re-open DC9 at ABRA on U Street. around 930 am.
will you be providing tickets to win for dc-9 shows if they reopen . . . or will you steer cleer?
no tickets from me, fam. i'll be there. RSVP'd early, son.
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that is very strange ardamus. i thought you were blipvurt and that i was posting a responce to him and his post . . . but there is no post from blipvurt in here and i responded to your post. oh elizabeth, this is the big one, i'm coming to see you.
sorry
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Don't worry, Walkie. Just put down the pipe. :D
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:D actually that post was kinda funny though. walkie should do that more often.
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DC9 request to re-open denied. (http://dcist.com/2010/11/abra_unanimously_denies_dc9_motion.php)
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DC9 request to re-open denied. (http://dcist.com/2010/11/abra_unanimously_denies_dc9_motion.php)
guess the free party with english beat was a bit premature!
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i was there for it. pretty brutal. a good portion of the Ethiopian community was there to protest. one Ethiopian lady was passing out a flyer something that happened to some kid in PG County; that was sad, too, but i was damn, what does that have to do with this? anyways, it was upsetting but until Dec. 1st comes around, looks like there's still a chance.
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Ardamus, you were there? I saw a report that the hearing room was filled with DC9 supporters, and that kind of left me wondering what they were doing there -- just watching? Chanting? And also what they hoped to achieve.
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is ethipioan food scary to just walk on in and eat, if you've never ever been to one before? i keep hearing about this bread stuff you eat everything with. what should i go for; is there a dish which rules the cuisine? i'm so fascinated with the country of ethiopia. religion aspects from future's past and the present cracking falut forming the next, new ocean. neato.
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Walkie, it's just piles of different colored stews. For the uninitiated or undecisive there's a sampler platter. I usually go for the veggie or beef sampler.
The one dish to avoid is kifto (raw ground beef).
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is ethipioan food scary to just walk on in and eat, if you've never ever been to one before? i keep hearing about this bread stuff you eat everything with. what should i go for; is there a dish which rules the cuisine? i'm so fascinated with the country of ethiopia. religion aspects from future's past and the present cracking falut forming the next, new ocean. neato.
nope, not scary at all and highly recommended. the bread is called injera. check out the pic here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_Ethiopia), it's what your dish will look like. in terms of what to order, every ethereopian joint that i've been to has a "mixed dish" option where you get a taste of several things (usually there is a vegetarian and carnivore option). be aware that certain things can be very spicy.
ethiopian cuisine is one of the many thing i love DC for.
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Do you guys think it is true that the owners of DC9 are still paying rent/mortage on the property despite being closed? If so, dear Ethiopian community: It wasn't because of his ethnicity, it was because he was an asshole. These guys were cleared of all charges. Dumb is supposed to hurt.
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I think everyone knows it's not because of his ethnicity. Where the race/ethnic arguments come in is that people tend to feel that if this were reversed, and a bunch of black dudes had jumped on a white guy and he had died, never in a million years would charges have been dropped regardless of circumstances.
There may also be the feeling that this guy's death isn't being treated as seriously by the authorities as it would have been were he white. While I don't think that's the case in this particular circumstance, that sentiment is understandable based on precedence.
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Ardamus, you were there? I saw a report that the hearing room was filled with DC9 supporters, and that kind of left me wondering what they were doing there -- just watching? Chanting? And also what they hoped to achieve.
DC9 Supporters were in the ABRA hearing mainly; there wasn't any shouting or chanting any of the DC9 supporters. Most of the Ethiopians were outside protesting and some came inside to sit down and watch the hearing.
Grodsky was really on this tip about the scenarios that played out on the issue of citizens arrest and etc. Also, the problem was that the newest security plan that was presented was not reviewed by the board or the attorney general. On top of that, the fact that the reports from the medical examiner have not been released didn't help either. And no one had an answer for when those reports would've been received.
They also questions whether the formerly alleged suspects would be able to work at DC9 again. Even if the charges were dropped, they were eluding to the fact that the investigation was not completed and the charges could be reinstated if new facts were found. But at this point, in my opinion, I think there's some stalling going on with this report.
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is it just me, or does ethiopian food look like that village scene from the temple of doom, where willie refuses the food?
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Count me as not a fan of Ethiopian food.
If a bunch of hillbillies from West Virginia threw down a melange of stews and told you to eat it with your hands, nobody in DC would bite, save for a few tea partiers. Tell them that it's "Ethiopian", and DC dwellers are all over it like flies on shit.
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It's unlikely the hillbillies would use such a subtle and pleasing array of spices in their food, though.
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If a bunch of hillbillies from West Virginia threw down a melange of stews and told you to eat it with your hands, nobody in DC would bite,
some of us can see beyond where it comes from and can judge food on its own merits. ethiopian is downright tasty, imho. and if eating with your hands is an issue, using a fork is always an option.
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I Feel Safe at DC9
THE CAMPAIGN TO REOPEN DC9
DC9 was closed on Friday October 15, 2010 following a rush to judgement, a spam of misinformation, media frenzy, and general lack of facts pertaining to charges placed against 5 employees. The charges were quickly reduced and then finally dropped entirely. DC9 stands by its total and complete innocence, and any wrong doing whatsoever. A tragic death occurred, but not at our hands. For 6 years, DC9 was one the most well respected, dearly beloved, established live music venues not only in DC, but on the east coast. We were friends of the neighborhood and supporters of the community. We want to reopen our doors and continue to operate safely and respectfully as we always have.
Email: abra@dc.gov , jim@grahamwone.com
Send to ABC board and council members
http://aboutdcgov.dc.gov/DC/About+DC.Gov/Feedback
Subject: I feel safe at DC9
i got this in an e-mail from the RnR... twice. in the first version, they wrote "A traffic death occurred, but not at our hands." they correct it to "tragic" in the second transmission, copied above, but for a while i was wondering if they were changing their story.
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I think everyone knows it's not because of his ethnicity. Where the race/ethnic arguments come in is that people tend to feel that if this were reversed, and a bunch of black dudes had jumped on a white guy and he had died, never in a million years would charges have been dropped regardless of circumstances.
There may also be the feeling that this guy's death isn't being treated as seriously by the authorities as it would have been were he white. While I don't think that's the case in this particular circumstance, that sentiment is understandable based on precedence.
2 black dudes, 2 white guys, 1 hispanic dude totally hated this 1 black guy and kicked the piss out of him for no reason.
I get the community outcry. If 2 white guys, 2 black guys, and a hispanic guy kicked my ass, it would have been because I was hispanic. Not because I was a drunken asshole and threw 1, no, 2 bricks through the window of the place they worked after it was closed.
I feel for the family and the community, but the community is taking what they want with the information.
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They also questions whether the formerly alleged suspects would be able to work at DC9 again.
I thought I read the employees were let go and the (Co-?)manager resigned?
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i got this in an e-mail from the RnR... twice. in the first version, they wrote "A traffic death occurred, but not at our hands." they correct it to "tragic" in the second transmission, copied above, but for a while i was wondering if they were changing their story.
Freudian slip? ;P
So, what did happen? Either I stopped following or the stories provided nothing new - the charges were dropped and that was that, no details or determination of the cause of death.. More will be revealed later?
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While I stand by my original statement, it was a case of lazy writing. Hence, i'll offer this alternative statement:
If a bunch of hillbillies from West Virginia threw down a melange of stews and told you to eat it with your hands, nobody in DC would bite, save for a few tea partiers. Tell them that it's "Ethiopian", and DC dwellers are all over it like Barney Frank on a twinkie.
Count me as not a fan of Ethiopian food.
If a bunch of hillbillies from West Virginia threw down a melange of stews and told you to eat it with your hands, nobody in DC would bite, save for a few tea partiers. Tell them that it's "Ethiopian", and DC dwellers are all over it like flies on shit.
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I think everyone knows it's not because of his ethnicity. Where the race/ethnic arguments come in is that people tend to feel that if this were reversed, and a bunch of black dudes had jumped on a white guy and he had died, never in a million years would charges have been dropped regardless of circumstances.
There may also be the feeling that this guy's death isn't being treated as seriously by the authorities as it would have been were he white. While I don't think that's the case in this particular circumstance, that sentiment is understandable based on precedence.
2 black dudes, 2 white guys, 1 hispanic dude totally hated this 1 black guy and kicked the piss out of him for no reason.
I get the community outcry. If 2 white guys, 2 black guys, and a hispanic guy kicked my ass, it would have been because I was hispanic. Not because I was a drunken asshole and threw 1, no, 2 bricks through the window of the place they worked after it was closed.
I feel for the family and the community, but the community is taking what they want with the information.
I actually don't think you feel for the family and community, or you wouldn't be referring to a guy who didn't deserve to die as a "drunken asshole." Even if it's true, it sounds like you basically believe he got what he deserved.
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While I stand by my original statement, it was a case of lazy writing. Hence, i'll offer this alternative statement:
If a bunch of hillbillies from West Virginia threw down a melange of stews and told you to eat it with your hands, nobody in DC would bite, save for a few tea partiers. Tell them that it's "Ethiopian", and DC dwellers are all over it like Barney Frank on a twinkie.
Count me as not a fan of Ethiopian food.
If a bunch of hillbillies from West Virginia threw down a melange of stews and told you to eat it with your hands, nobody in DC would bite, save for a few tea partiers. Tell them that it's "Ethiopian", and DC dwellers are all over it like flies on shit.
Is "twinkie" a euphemism for "penis"?
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Not quite, my friend. Ask walkonby. He can tell you.
While I stand by my original statement, it was a case of lazy writing. Hence, i'll offer this alternative statement:
If a bunch of hillbillies from West Virginia threw down a melange of stews and told you to eat it with your hands, nobody in DC would bite, save for a few tea partiers. Tell them that it's "Ethiopian", and DC dwellers are all over it like Barney Frank on a twinkie.
Count me as not a fan of Ethiopian food.
If a bunch of hillbillies from West Virginia threw down a melange of stews and told you to eat it with your hands, nobody in DC would bite, save for a few tea partiers. Tell them that it's "Ethiopian", and DC dwellers are all over it like flies on shit.
Is "twinkie" a euphemism for "penis"?
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I think everyone knows it's not because of his ethnicity. Where the race/ethnic arguments come in is that people tend to feel that if this were reversed, and a bunch of black dudes had jumped on a white guy and he had died, never in a million years would charges have been dropped regardless of circumstances.
There may also be the feeling that this guy's death isn't being treated as seriously by the authorities as it would have been were he white. While I don't think that's the case in this particular circumstance, that sentiment is understandable based on precedence.
2 black dudes, 2 white guys, 1 hispanic dude totally hated this 1 black guy and kicked the piss out of him for no reason.
I get the community outcry. If 2 white guys, 2 black guys, and a hispanic guy kicked my ass, it would have been because I was hispanic. Not because I was a drunken asshole and threw 1, no, 2 bricks through the window of the place they worked after it was closed.
I feel for the family and the community, but the community is taking what they want with the information.
Pretty much my point. The details are being overlooked and its being made into a big mess.
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I think the real crime here is that my ability to get drunk and have a good time at a bar is being totally squashed by some dude's death. DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!!
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I think everyone knows it's not because of his ethnicity. Where the race/ethnic arguments come in is that people tend to feel that if this were reversed, and a bunch of black dudes had jumped on a white guy and he had died, never in a million years would charges have been dropped regardless of circumstances.
There may also be the feeling that this guy's death isn't being treated as seriously by the authorities as it would have been were he white. While I don't think that's the case in this particular circumstance, that sentiment is understandable based on precedence.
2 black dudes, 2 white guys, 1 hispanic dude totally hated this 1 black guy and kicked the piss out of him for no reason.
I get the community outcry. If 2 white guys, 2 black guys, and a hispanic guy kicked my ass, it would have been because I was hispanic. Not because I was a drunken asshole and threw 1, no, 2 bricks through the window of the place they worked after it was closed.
I feel for the family and the community, but the community is taking what they want with the information.
I actually don't think you feel for the family and community, or you wouldn't be referring to a guy who didn't deserve to die as a "drunken asshole." Even if it's true, it sounds like you basically believe he got what he deserved.
I don't think he deserved anything, what I'm saying is that the community is making it seem like, he was walking by himself at 2:30am whistling to the birds and minding his own business. He was drunk, he threw 2 bricks through a window he may or may not have known had people in it. I absolutely don't think the man deserved to die, or even a beating, I like Dc9 but if he was beaten over a broken window, come on that's out of line. At the same time, if someone smashed in my window, I'd be a little steamed, especially after someone had....smashed my window earlier too. I just wish Dc9 wasn't being so villainized in this situation and that the truth would come out. I believe in justice, but nothing was done wrong to this man and it should have been said that he didn't die from being beaten to death in the middle of a rather busy interesection at 2:30am on a Thursday night. I do feel for his family, that's awful, for their sake I hope the truth comes out.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xJBkbYs66Cg/TAkkfafmgjI/AAAAAAAAAY4/JHJh6T9H6ZY/s1600/twinkiesquad.jpg)
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I just wish Dc9 wasn't being so villainized in this situation and that the truth would come out. I believe in justice, but nothing was done wrong to this man and it should have been said that he didn't die from being beaten to death in the middle of a rather busy interesection at 2:30am on a Thursday night. I do feel for his family, that's awful, for their sake I hope the truth comes out.
Sorry to have cast aspersions. I don't think DC9 is being particularly villainized in this case... it is pretty normal for bars/clubs to be shut down for a while when a death is associated with them. It's weird that the ME's report is taking so long, but I hope it eventually clears the air one way or another.
Meanwhile, I think DC9's supporters are not helping their own case by aggressively lobbying for a reopening. This article sums it up nicely, I think...
http://dcentric.wamu.org/2010/11/before-we-do-anything-though-lets-help-dc9-re-open/
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They also questions whether the formerly alleged suspects would be able to work at DC9 again.
I thought I read the employees were let go and the (Co-?)manager resigned?
Bill is a co-owner, so he couldn't just resign.
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why not? you can own a business without working there.
it's not what one would expect from a club owner, especially a small club like DC9, but it's possible.
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why not? you can own a business without working there.
And sitting in on the drums when your friends are in town is not what I would call "working there"
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http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-neighborhoods/2010/12/dc9-liquor-board-hearing-live-coverage-5319.html
dc9 can re-open on dec.15
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http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-neighborhoods/2010/12/dc9-liquor-board-hearing-live-coverage-5319.html
dc9 can re-open on dec.15
oh snap...
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They also questions whether the formerly alleged suspects would be able to work at DC9 again.
I thought I read the employees were let go and the (Co-?)manager resigned?
Bill is a co-owner, so he couldn't just resign.
Sorry I didn't title him correctly - can't owners step down or release their percentage, etc.?
He did resign.
http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/11/dc9-liquor-license-hearing-so-far-27588.html
Joe Englert, who co-owns DC9 in addition to numerous other nightlife establishments in the city, testified Monday that he accepted Spieler's resignation. He said Darryl Carter, Evan Preller, Arthur Zaloga, and Reginald Phillips, the four other suspects in the case, have been "let go."
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Usually if you're a co-owner of a business you'd have to sell your share, which is a significantly more involved process than resigning.
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If anyone thought the medical examiner's report would clear things up...think again:
http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/12/dc9-case-mohammed-family-reportedly-has-death-certificate-40135.html
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Billy Martin -- he's like the new Johnny Cochrane, right? He's got quite the celebrity pedigree...Michael Vick, Larry Craig, Jayson Williams, Allen Iverson.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that window is going to need to get itself an attorney.
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Over/under on when charges are re-filed? I say 14 days (1/4/11) and I'm taking the under.
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<armchair lawyer> the defendant must take his victims as he finds them </armchair lawyer>
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http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/12/dc9-case-mohammed-family-reportedly-has-death-certificate-40135.html (http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/12/dc9-case-mohammed-family-reportedly-has-death-certificate-40135.html)
the medical examiner's office said Tuesday that Mohammed died due to "excited delirium associated with arrhythmogenic cardiac anomalies, alcohol intoxication and physical exertion with restraint."
The ruling potentially raises more questions than it answers. A homicide determination does not necessarily indicate that anyone will be found criminally responsible for Mohammed's death, and the listed cause of death is fairly vague.
Researchers at the University of Miami define excited delirium as occurring "with a sudden onset, with symptoms of bizarre and/or aggressive behavior, shouting, paranoia, panic, violence toward others, unexpected physical strength, and hyperthermia." It is often linked to cocaine and/or methamphetamine use, although it can occur in non-drug users as well. It has also been associated with several high-profile cases in which police brutality was alleged.
this shit keeps getting weirder and weirder
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if only there had been a good pizza by the slice eaten that evening . . . none of this would have happened. pizza by the slice solves all problems.
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Ya know.....Italian Pizza Kitchen is down the street. You might have a point, walkie.
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They're filling up they're calender with shows. I might actually go to Nerd Nite and the MURS show.
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That's all well and good. But can we trust their coat check workers?
They're filling up they're calender with shows. I might actually go to Nerd Nite and the MURS show.
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That's all well and good. But can we trust their coat check workers?
They're filling up they're calender with shows. I might actually go to Nerd Nite and the MURS show.
Man, I usually keep my jacket with me for the most part anyway. So that solves my coatcheck problem.
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I like to wrap my coat around my waist, especially if it's those North Face ones that look like life jackets ;D
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headline from WaPo: "Autopsy doc thought club death was accident; boss sought homicide designation" http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/apnewsbreak-autopsy-doc-thought-club-death-was-accident-boss-sought-homicide-designation/2013/08/06/0e30cc76-fec8-11e2-8294-0ee5075b840d_story.html
free AP article (longer text) "AP: Doctor testifies in case of DC nightclub death"
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/AP-Doctor-testifies-in-case-of-DC-nightclub-death-4709833.php
uhh... wow.
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Absolute insanity. I know 3 of the guys that were involved in this and they wouldn't hurt an effing fly.
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Absolute insanity. I know 3 of the guys that were involved in this and they wouldn't hurt an effing fly.
But they would kill an ethiopian guy.
Never heard of this case before reading this thread today and I am shocked that James Ford doesn't like ethiopian food. What is not to like? I am begining to realize he just has bad taste buds.
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Absolute insanity. I know 3 of the guys that were involved in this and they wouldn't hurt an effing fly.
But they would kill an ethiopian guy.
Never heard of this case before reading this thread today and I am shocked that James Ford doesn't like ethiopian food. What is not to like? I am begining to realize he just has bad taste buds.
a guy died, you fucking asshole. go take your, "hey somebody listen to me and my cute observations about things" and go fuck off. really. fuck off. the fact that you cant figure that out without me telling you how unappropriate your stupid comment is, regarding this particular story . . . where somebody died, is really making me question why i sent you a private email telling you that i enjoy talking to you. you know, the email you never responded back to, because you must be too cool for such things.
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Absolute insanity. I know 3 of the guys that were involved in this and they wouldn't hurt an effing fly.
But they would kill an ethiopian guy.
Never heard of this case before reading this thread today and I am shocked that James Ford doesn't like ethiopian food. What is not to like? I am begining to realize he just has bad taste buds.
a guy died, you fucking asshole. go take your, "hey somebody listen to me and my cute observations about things" and go fuck off. really. fuck off. the fact that you cant figure that out without me telling you how unappropriate your stupid comment is, regarding this particular story . . . where somebody died, is really making me question why i sent you a private email telling you that i enjoy talking to you. you know, the email you never responded back to, because you must be too cool for such things.
I love you Walky. You're all peace and love until it's clearly not deserved.
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Absolute insanity. I know 3 of the guys that were involved in this and they wouldn't hurt an effing fly.
But they would kill an ethiopian guy.
Never heard of this case before reading this thread today and I am shocked that James Ford doesn't like ethiopian food. What is not to like? I am begining to realize he just has bad taste buds.
a guy died, you fucking asshole. go take your, "hey somebody listen to me and my cute observations about things" and go fuck off. really. fuck off. the fact that you cant figure that out without me telling you how unappropriate your stupid comment is, regarding this particular story . . . where somebody died, is really making me question why i sent you a private email telling you that i enjoy talking to you. you know, the email you never responded back to, because you must be too cool for such things.
Sorry I didn't respond back. And I am sad the guy died. I will never go to DC9 because of this tragedy. I was not the one saying the bouncers wouldn't hurt a fly when they evidently killed the guy. Maybe your anger is mis-directed.
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Did you even read the article?
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Did you even read the article?
Yeah I read the article. It said witnesses saw the guys kicking and beating the dude before he died and the guys saying "please stop". I don't believe anything that comes out of the DC coroners office. I have read articles on how badly run they are before. There is no way I would ever go to DC 9 after reading this.
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i still believe . . . that a simple pizza by the slice would have defused this entire situation.
peace and love, peace and love.
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Did you even read the article?
Yeah I read the article. It said witnesses saw the guys kicking and beating the dude before he died and the guys saying "please stop". I don't believe anything that comes out of the DC coroners office. I have read articles on how badly run they are before. There is no way I would ever go to DC 9 after reading this.
So you trust eyewitnesses in a heavily Ethiopian community, who already dislike the people who go to Dc9 and the establishment itself, who saw 4 white guys and a black guy restraining an Ethiopian guy after he threw 2 bricks through the window of said establishment after being denied entry because he was too intoxicated? Of course as soon as he gets restrained he says he does nothing wrong. That's what a LOT of people who need to get restrained say.
I'll take what a medical examiner says over what eyewitnesses say. BUT you go ahead and not go to Dc9. I don't think they have any Mumford & Sons on their jukebox anyway.
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Did you even read the article?
Yeah I read the article. It said witnesses saw the guys kicking and beating the dude before he died and the guys saying "please stop". I don't believe anything that comes out of the DC coroners office. I have read articles on how badly run they are before. There is no way I would ever go to DC 9 after reading this.
So you trust eyewitnesses in a heavily Ethiopian community, who already dislike the people who go to Dc9 and the establishment itself, who saw 4 white guys and a black guy restraining an Ethiopian guy after he threw 2 bricks through the window of said establishment after being denied entry because he was too intoxicated? Of course as soon as he gets restrained he says he does nothing wrong. That's what a LOT of people who need to get restrained say.
I'll take what a medical examiner says over what eyewitnesses say. BUT you go ahead and not go to Dc9. I don't think they have any Mumford & Sons on their jukebox anyway.
Actually I thought they were closed. But I saw they had the Black Kids coming up. I love the Black Kids. And stop with the Mumford and Sons already. They aren't a favorite band of mine. I bought tickets to them once and sold them without going to the show. Hardly their biggest fan. If you are going to use some band to discredit me at least use one that I really like.. perhaps Amanda Palmer, Jens Lekman, Magnetic Fields, Beach House, Wye Oak, Polyphonic Spree etc.
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Did you even read the article?
Yeah I read the article. It said witnesses saw the guys kicking and beating the dude before he died and the guys saying "please stop". I don't believe anything that comes out of the DC coroners office. I have read articles on how badly run they are before. There is no way I would ever go to DC 9 after reading this.
Homie don't use this forum to shit on a place that people still consider to be a staple of the community here. If you're that damn scared to go to DC9 after that, you probably should just never go out and stay in your house. Seriously, I don't if you grew up in DC or ever been around when U St is what it is now, but in comparison, its not as bad as what it used to be.
There's a lot to that case that never hit those articles that was kept under wraps. Like the guy who died (which is still sad) was known for getting kicked out of establishments before in that community. Even some of the people that are part of the Ethiopian community knew that. And yes, I know some of the folks involved with it, too, and I know their lives were ruined by (1) the fact they were trying to do their job (2) Lanier tossing out accusations so quick that they caught serious heat for it and (3) the inconclusive results that went on about the victim's cause of death for weeks.
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ardamus, do yourself a favor: ignore atomicfront. he is a waste of... well, everything, as far as i can tell. getting upset at him for saying ignorant things is pointless. you will not change him and you will not feel better.
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ardamus, do yourself a favor: ignore atomicfront. he is a waste of... well, everything, as far as i can tell. getting upset at him for saying ignorant things is pointless. you will not change him and you will not feel better.
Really for someone who ignores me you sure talk about me enough. If you wanted to ignore me while communicating with ardamus send him an instant message.
As for the club I don't know the whole story but I can choose to not frequent a place that had people die in altercations with the bouncers. It hardly has anything to do with fearing for my life. I have been at places with bouncers who like to start fights.
Also why would you care what I state on a forum that no one reads when it was in the Washington Post multiple times?
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Did you even read the article?
Yeah I read the article. It said witnesses saw the guys kicking and beating the dude before he died and the guys saying "please stop". I don't believe anything that comes out of the DC coroners office. I have read articles on how badly run they are before. There is no way I would ever go to DC 9 after reading this.
Homie don't use this forum to shit on a place that people still consider to be a staple of the community here. If you're that damn scared to go to DC9 after that, you probably should just never go out and stay in your house. Seriously, I don't if you grew up in DC or ever been around when U St is what it is now, but in comparison, its not as bad as what it used to be.
There's a lot to that case that never hit those articles that was kept under wraps. Like the guy who died (which is still sad) was known for getting kicked out of establishments before in that community. Even some of the people that are part of the Ethiopian community knew that. And yes, I know some of the folks involved with it, too, and I know their lives were ruined by (1) the fact they were trying to do their job (2) Lanier tossing out accusations so quick that they caught serious heat for it and (3) the inconclusive results that went on about the victim's cause of death for weeks.
i always liked you . . . i dont know why. i just did.
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ardamus, do yourself a favor: ignore atomicfront. he is a waste of... well, everything, as far as i can tell. getting upset at him for saying ignorant things is pointless. you will not change him and you will not feel better.
As for the club I don't know the whole story but
Yeah, you can stop right there. I don't think they have Imagine Dragons on their jukebox anyway.
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ardamus, do yourself a favor: ignore atomicfront. he is a waste of... well, everything, as far as i can tell. getting upset at him for saying ignorant things is pointless. you will not change him and you will not feel better.
As for the club I don't know the whole story but
Yeah, you can stop right there. I don't think they have Imagine Dragons on their jukebox anyway.
If you don't have Imagine Dragons on the jukebox then why bother?
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Did you even read the article?
Yeah I read the article. It said witnesses saw the guys kicking and beating the dude before he died and the guys saying "please stop". I don't believe anything that comes out of the DC coroners office. I have read articles on how badly run they are before. There is no way I would ever go to DC 9 after reading this.
Homie don't use this forum to shit on a place that people still consider to be a staple of the community here. If you're that damn scared to go to DC9 after that, you probably should just never go out and stay in your house. Seriously, I don't if you grew up in DC or ever been around when U St is what it is now, but in comparison, its not as bad as what it used to be.
There's a lot to that case that never hit those articles that was kept under wraps. Like the guy who died (which is still sad) was known for getting kicked out of establishments before in that community. Even some of the people that are part of the Ethiopian community knew that. And yes, I know some of the folks involved with it, too, and I know their lives were ruined by (1) the fact they were trying to do their job (2) Lanier tossing out accusations so quick that they caught serious heat for it and (3) the inconclusive results that went on about the victim's cause of death for weeks.
i always liked you . . . i dont know why. i just did.
Mutual respect, man. I know I came on this board when Julie (who I still wanna slap) was around and I didn't get much love. But I respect this place. Keep up the good work.
ardamus, do yourself a favor: ignore atomicfront. he is a waste of... well, everything, as far as i can tell. getting upset at him for saying ignorant things is pointless. you will not change him and you will not feel better.
Really for someone who ignores me you sure talk about me enough. If you wanted to ignore me while communicating with ardamus send him an instant message.
As for the club I don't know the whole story but I can choose to not frequent a place that had people die in altercations with the bouncers. It hardly has anything to do with fearing for my life. I have been at places with bouncers who like to start fights.
Also why would you care what I state on a forum that no one reads when it was in the Washington Post multiple times?
The bouncers didn't start a fight. Learn to comprehend what the fuck happened before you comment on it anymore. He was drunk. Got too intoxicated. They told him he had to leave. Standard events that happen at any bar in DC where someone has had too much to drink. Dude got mad and came back with a brick and threw it right through the window. Now tell me, who started what actually? It sad that he was intoxicated and high and his life was lost to this. But painting a picture of the employees at DC9 as not doing their job is completely stupid on your part. You don't have to go over there. But don't slander the establishment that you get wrong information from in the first place.
ardamus, do yourself a favor: ignore atomicfront. he is a waste of... well, everything, as far as i can tell. getting upset at him for saying ignorant things is pointless. you will not change him and you will not feel better.
As for the club I don't know the whole story but
Yeah, you can stop right there. I don't think they have Imagine Dragons on their jukebox anyway.
If you don't have Imagine Dragons on the jukebox then why bother?
Yeah, you don't know the whole story and yet your dumb ass wants to chime in on it, eh?
People like you make me wish U St. was back to what it was years ago. A place where a lot of quiet mouse kids would never step foot on that street until it was gentrified.
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Why do bouncers throw someone out when they are too drunk? I never understood that? It seems very irresposible. You got the guy drunk now you kick him out so he drives his car into a bunch of people? Why not just cut him off?
Why would you want U street to go back to it the way it was? And why can't I comment on stuff I read in the paper? People comment about that stupid Trayon Martin case without even reading one thing about what actually happened. Shit the NAACP and the President comment about it. I think I am allowed to comment about a case where someone died at the hands of a bouncer. I guess since you are friends with the person involved I am not allowed to say anything about the case?
I have been to bars where the bouncers are belligerent and I have been to bars where the bouncers are cool and not trying to get into altercations. Don't act like I am some kid from the suburbs.
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Technically, I believe he was being beligerent, he was asked to calm down and he could stay, he didn't calm down, he got kicked out.
You know, like if you get drunk at 930 Club and cause a scene, you'll be dealt with. The reason you're allowed to drink in a club is because you know how to conduct yourself. If you become beligerent, you will be dealt with and kicked out. It's the same at every motherfucking bar in DC.
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Why do bouncers throw someone out when they are too drunk? I never understood that? It seems very irresposible. You got the guy drunk now you kick him out so he drives his car into a bunch of people? Why not just cut him off?
Why would you want U street to go back to it the way it was? And why can't I comment on stuff I read in the paper? People comment about that stupid Trayon Martin case without even reading one thing about what actually happened. Shit the NAACP and the President comment about it. I think I am allowed to comment about a case where someone died at the hands of a bouncer. I guess since you are friends with the person involved I am not allowed to say anything about the case?
I have been to bars where the bouncers are belligerent and I have been to bars where the bouncers are cool and not trying to get into altercations. Don't act like I am some kid from the suburbs.
Never refer to Trayvon Martin's case as being stupid. Nuff said. And that right there, is why I said what I said about U St. going back to the way it was. Can't understand that, might wanna re-think how you just referred to that case, patna.
You admitted to not even knowing the story with certain details, that completely makes your view null and void. But you still kept throwing shit out there about the case that made you look completely ignorant. Me, even though I knew the folks involved, I compared facts and opinions of what was in the paper with others that were not documented with folks that were effected. And none of it made sense from the beginning of it happening. Make your comment all you want but know it gets shut down everytime you make another one of these uninformed comments.
Kid from the suburbs....or wherever.....seems like you have a certain rep on here already.
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Why is the Trevor Martin case not stupid? Zimmerman should have never been charged it was ridicilous. Nothing like this case at all. No evidence of this guy assaulting the bouncers. You seem very beligerent in this thread. I read the articles. Seems to me from the witnesses the bouncer kicked and hit him. There is no claim that the guy hit the bouncers. I haven't seen the witnesses and they had a trial and I was in the jury I would keep an open mind. I am just basing my opinion on what I read in the paper. Perhaps you should be mad at the post for stating that witnesses said the bouncer kicked the guy. If you don't believe the witnesses stated this. It seems pretty far-fetched to think their were people just hanging outside the club at all times to report lies to the police.
And my reputation has nothing to do with your argument with me. I just stated my opinion on what I read. Just like everyone else.
I have to keep deleting your replies because they contain obscenties. Perhaps you are one of the bouncers.
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Kid from the suburbs....or wherever.....seems like you have a certain rep on here already.
believe it or not, he's 48 and the lumineers biggest fan.
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Why is the Trevor Martin case not stupid? Zimmerman should have never been charged it was ridicilous. Nothing like this case at all. No evidence of this guy assaulting the bouncers. You seem very beligerent in this thread. I read the articles. Seems to me from the witnesses the bouncer kicked and hit him. There is no claim that the guy hit the bouncers. I haven't seen the witnesses and they had a trial and I was in the jury I would keep an open mind. I am just basing my opinion on what I read in the paper. Perhaps you should be mad at the post for stating that witnesses said the bouncer kicked the guy. If you don't believe the witnesses stated this. It seems pretty far-fetched to think their were people just hanging outside the club at all times to report lies to the police.
And my reputation has nothing to do with your argument with me. I just stated my opinion on what I read. Just like everyone else.
I have to keep deleting your replies because they contain obscenties. Perhaps you are one of the bouncers.
You know what's funny? You trolling for Zimmerman. How about this: I'll buy some skittles and an Arizona from that 7-11 on U St. Walk around with my black ass in a hoodie being innocent (big surprise there) and see what kind of shit you wanna pull with me. LOL.
See look at you, flustered and can't even troll right. No wonder no one likes you on here. Julie was better at this than you are. But back to the topic.
As for the witnesses, after that weren't trusted sources anyway. Both of the witnesses didn't even see the employees from DC9 punch or kick the guy. They saw that he was chased and subdued; it doesn't make sense that employees at DC9 called the authorities while having their employees gang up on one person vigilante style. Police showed up and the guy didn't have any marks on him that showed he was beaten at all. He was in police custody for up to an hour. If it was anything life threatening that was taking place then, a damn ambulance would've been there on the scene instead of the police.
And now you're argument sounds even worse now that the examiners are admitting to being pressed about ruling the death as a homicide. Lanier screwed up and called the shots before even waiting for the medical examiners report came out. Do you know how bad politics played into this to please one community and to hurt another? It was terrible.
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Kid from the suburbs....or wherever.....seems like you have a certain rep on here already.
believe it or not, he's 48 and the lumineers biggest fan.
You mean to tell me he's at an age where he's got a LeBron James meets Larry David hairline along with bad taste in music? Man, that's quite a life a achievement.
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Why is the Trevor Martin case not stupid? Zimmerman should have never been charged it was ridicilous. Nothing like this case at all. No evidence of this guy assaulting the bouncers. You seem very beligerent in this thread. I read the articles. Seems to me from the witnesses the bouncer kicked and hit him. There is no claim that the guy hit the bouncers. I haven't seen the witnesses and they had a trial and I was in the jury I would keep an open mind. I am just basing my opinion on what I read in the paper. Perhaps you should be mad at the post for stating that witnesses said the bouncer kicked the guy. If you don't believe the witnesses stated this. It seems pretty far-fetched to think their were people just hanging outside the club at all times to report lies to the police.
And my reputation has nothing to do with your argument with me. I just stated my opinion on what I read. Just like everyone else.
I have to keep deleting your replies because they contain obscenties. Perhaps you are one of the bouncers.
no matter what people think of you . . . you speak your mind with passion and are not afraid to go against the grain of "popular belief." that, i give respect to. nothing else, just that. if we were supermans enemies, who would you want to be? i of course would be solomon grundy.
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Kid from the suburbs....or wherever.....seems like you have a certain rep on here already.
believe it or not, he's 48 and the lumineers biggest fan.
You mean to tell me he's at an age where he's got a LeBron James meets Larry David hairline along with bad taste in music? Man, that's quite a life a achievement.
Not everyone is bald like you. I have a full head of naturally blonde hair. Lumineers is good taste in music. Everyone loves them. Only losers hate them. I like how you can talk all about the Zimmerman case when it is obvious you don't know anything about it but it is wrong for me to talk about the DC9 case after reading information about it. What a freaking loser. I am guessing you are as much a loser as your bouncer friends.
Zimmerman had a trial and he was found not guilty. And it was a pretty quick decision. Your buddies didn't have a trial due to incompetent DC medical examiners. It was ruled a homicide but they chose not to prosecute.
I am sure your friends will end up in trouble with the law again. That type always does.
I tried to be nice but you just can't have an argument without calling names or otherwise doing ad hominem attackes. Sad person you are.
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and please stop referring to jules/julie/julian, ardamus . . . i get all horny. sorry, was that, too much for this thread.
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Kid from the suburbs....or wherever.....seems like you have a certain rep on here already.
believe it or not, he's 48 and the lumineers biggest fan.
You mean to tell me he's at an age where he's got a LeBron James meets Larry David hairline along with bad taste in music? Man, that's quite a life a achievement.
Not everyone is bald like you. I have a full head of naturally blonde hair. Lumineers is good taste in music. Everyone loves them. Only losers hate them. I like how you can talk all about the Zimmerman case when it is obvious you don't know anything about it but it is wrong for me to talk about the DC9 case after reading information about it. What a freaking loser. I am guessing you are as much a loser as your bouncer friends.
Zimmerman had a trial and he was found not guilty. And it was a pretty quick decision. Your buddies didn't have a trial due to incompetent DC medical examiners. It was ruled a homicide but they chose not to prosecute.
I am sure your friends will end up in trouble with the law again. That type always does.
I tried to be nice but you just can't have an argument without calling names or otherwise doing ad hominem attackes. Sad person you are.
You got blonde, flowing extensions I bet, huh? Hooked it up with some goldilocks weave and shit, huh? Hair club for men stepped up their metrosexual game for you, huh? Rogaine got you that Paris Hilton treatment I bet, huh? Hey Rapunzel, you gonna take me up on my offer at that 7-11 on U St, son? I just wanna see your trolling matches you're actions. LOL. It'll be all in fun.
Only YOU like the Lumineers. No one else. LOL.
And its your fault for bringing up Zimmerman; I really want to leave it alone. A quick decision amongst a jury of housewives in the state of Florida. Sounds like you would've fit right in with the jury.
This is fun. So, walky, sweetcell, and everyone else......so this guy is the new punching bag? Cool......
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and please stop referring to jules/julie/julian, ardamus . . . i get all horny. sorry, was that, too much for this thread.
my bad, son. he's a bitch i have still have to refer to him as such. we'll go to Stadium Club when they have strippers around to get you back on track.
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that sounds . . . interesting.
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:D you're the homie, walky. never change.
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Bunch of nonsensical Non sequiturs
You really have issues. Threatening on a message board? I am sure you are just like your friends. And all this race issues you bring up. Not everyone thinks about race like you do. Perhaps if you and your friends wouldn't worry about race and national origin so much you wouldn't have the arrest record you did.
And I haven't used Rogaine. Hair weaves? WTF? Eat healthy and have a better attitude on life and you wouldn't age so quickly. I just saw Lumineers at Newport. They were the next to last band right before Beck. 90 percent of the crowd left after the Lumineers and didn't stay for Beck. Everyone loves them. They have hit records and huge crowds of attractive fans wherever they go.
As for the U street 7-11. I am not a thug. I don't travel accross state lines to get into physical altercations with people I don't even know. Perhaps you need anger management classes.
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Bunch of nonsensical Non sequiturs
You really have issues. Threatening on a message board? I am sure you are just like your friends. And all this race issues you bring up. Not everyone thinks about race like you do. Perhaps if you and your friends wouldn't worry about race and national origin so much you wouldn't have the arrest record you did.
And I haven't used Rogaine. Hair weaves? WTF? Eat healthy and have a better attitude on life and you wouldn't age so quickly. I just saw Lumineers at Newport. They were the next to last band right before Beck. 90 percent of the crowd left after the Lumineers and didn't stay for Beck. Everyone loves them. They have hit records and huge crowds of attractive fans wherever they go.
As for the U street 7-11. I am not a thug. I don't travel accross state lines to get into physical altercations with people I don't even know. Perhaps you need anger management classes.
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Even though this whole issue with DC9 is serious. It was too easy to troll a yuppie like you.
Beck is a better choice.
Ah man, travel state lines you say? Well, that says it all there. You must be either on the outskirts around in VA or possibly MD. I'm guessing Arlington. No no no.....Silver Spring? Hmmm.....
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Bunch of nonsensical Non sequiturs
You really have issues. Threatening on a message board? I am sure you are just like your friends. And all this race issues you bring up. Not everyone thinks about race like you do. Perhaps if you and your friends wouldn't worry about race and national origin so much you wouldn't have the arrest record you did.
And I haven't used Rogaine. Hair weaves? WTF? Eat healthy and have a better attitude on life and you wouldn't age so quickly. I just saw Lumineers at Newport. They were the next to last band right before Beck. 90 percent of the crowd left after the Lumineers and didn't stay for Beck. Everyone loves them. They have hit records and huge crowds of attractive fans wherever they go.
As for the U street 7-11. I am not a thug. I don't travel accross state lines to get into physical altercations with people I don't even know. Perhaps you need anger management classes.
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Even though this whole issue with DC9 is serious. It was too easy to troll a yuppie like you.
Beck is a better choice.
I found Beck boring but my wife liked him. She is 13 years younger than me so perhaps it is an age thing. Nothing wrong with being a yuppie. But that stands for Young Urban Professional. Two out of three I guess.
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Young Urban Professional? Hahahaha, you must shop at Urban Outfitters and feel like you're living on the edge. I'm done. Oh man......I see what you guys say about conversing with this guy. Too many laughs....
Race affects us all, sir. There was no threat. Just an invitation to a social experiment. LOL.
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Young Urban Professional? Hahahaha, you must shop at Urban Outfitters and feel like you're living on the edge. I'm done. Oh man......I see what you guys say about conversing with this guy. Too many laughs....
Race affects us all, sir. There was no threat. Just an invitation to a social experiment. LOL.
Yeah I shop at urban outfitters. What is wrong withthat?
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Young Urban Professional? Hahahaha, you must shop at Urban Outfitters and feel like you're living on the edge. I'm done. Oh man......I see what you guys say about conversing with this guy. Too many laughs....
Race affects us all, sir. There was no threat. Just an invitation to a social experiment. LOL.
Yeah I shop at urban outfitters. What is wrong withthat?
That's sooooo gangsta of you, bruv.
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Lumineers is good taste in music.
Can we frame this and float this to the top of the forum front page?