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Title: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 02, 2011, 09:45:27 am
(I was going call this Tiger Blood edition, but thought better of it)

Re: The Cars

They weren't terrible in concert in their heyday, just did rather lifeless versions of their songs live.  They managed to write catchy Middle of the Road pop songs that sounded great on the radio, or seen in video form.  But live they pretty much just went through the motions recreating their recorded material.

Plus, with the passing of Benjamin Orr they lost the singer who sang lead on a good number of their biggest hits.

Regardless, there is plenty of evidence of them live during the 80s and they were pretty much the Arctic Monkey's of their time...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: jeffml on April 02, 2011, 09:55:22 am
The Cars were my first non Merriweather concert back in the late 70's.  Saw them at the Capital Center and again at Merriweather.  Loved their early albums up to Panorama.  After that they got a little too poppy. But you hit the nail on the head regarding their live shows.  They just recreated the album versions of their songs with no stage presence.  And your Arctic Monkeys analogy is spot-on.  But who knows....maybe they've changed.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 02, 2011, 10:26:12 am
Changed for the better, performance-wise, after aging 25 years?  Doubtful.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on April 02, 2011, 10:26:32 am

I don't get the Arctic Monkeys analogy.  "They were the Arctic Monkeys of their time."  Meaning......they were discovered after posting tunes on MySpace?

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 02, 2011, 10:38:44 am
Don't get me wrong "Drive" is  one of the best pop ballads ever written, but is Ocasek going to sing it live?  And can you imagine the sight of a bunch of 40somethings dry humping when they play it.

The newer singles have the feel of their earlier records, but then again Ocasek's song were always the more new waver of their material.

I had forgotten that it was "The New Cars" that were touring recently, with Todd Rundgren taking the vocals duties....

oh well I'm sure those that will attend will wave their mobiles and take lots of pictures of four or more dudes on stage... i'm guessing the twitter traffic from the show will be lower  ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 02, 2011, 10:46:22 am
Did I say Arctic Monkeys?  I meant The Strokes....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on April 02, 2011, 10:48:30 am
I don't understand the criticism..

If you dont' like the Cars obviously there is no point to going to the show.. but if you really like their classic albums (not "middle of the road" as Kosmo wrote) which were pretty innovative for their time... they were arguably one of the first new wave bands actually...they had roots in the modern lovers..  well if you really like the classic stuff then and if it means something to you , yes, seeing 4 of the original 5 live would be pretty special... they can't help it ben orr died and from everything i've read ric is very respectful of ben orr's role with the band..

as far as singing ben's songs i think ric can do it.. honestly- and its probably just me- half the time with the cars i can't tell who is singing... but who knows how many ben songs they will do

obviously its the cars. not led zeppelin..

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 02, 2011, 10:58:47 am
Who said I didn't like the Cars?  I owned their albums when they first came out, saw them a couple live, etc... I'm just sayin' they were pretty dull in concert

Plus if you compare The Cars verses say Devo then I'm going to call them middle of the road... and a drummer who played in the Modern Lovers is hardly what I'd call roots.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 02, 2011, 11:04:32 am
just added to my bucket list, mocking Strokes fans excited to see them when they hit Jammin' Java in 20 years...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on April 02, 2011, 11:26:28 am
Who said I didn't like the Cars?  I owned their albums when they first came out, saw them a couple live, etc... I'm just sayin' they were pretty dull in concert

Plus if you compare The Cars verses say Devo then I'm going to call them middle of the road... and a drummer who played in the Modern Lovers is hardly what I'd call roots.


well maybe they were dull.. what do i know..

just saying if you like the Cars I think you'd enjoy seeing them...thats all.

i think thats a truism
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 02, 2011, 11:27:56 am
Did I say Arctic Monkeys?  I meant The Strokes....

I didn't get the AM reference either. The Strokes makes much more sense.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 02, 2011, 11:42:09 am
An Arctic Monkey's show is often described as songs played with little fanfare and much like as recorded in the studio.  I once went to see the Cardigans and my response was I could have stayed home and put on the CD and giggled the cover for pretty much the same experience.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on April 02, 2011, 12:40:49 pm
An Arctic Monkey's show is often described as songs played with little fanfare and much like as recorded in the studio. 

yup. AM @ the club was one of the dullest performances i've ever attended.  and they were pissy on top of it.  horrible, boring show. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on April 02, 2011, 12:50:13 pm
An Arctic Monkey's show is often described as songs played with little fanfare and much like as recorded in the studio. 

yup. AM @ the club was one of the dullest performances i've ever attended.  and they were pissy on top of it.  horrible, boring show. 

I saw them twice. Neither time had a lot of jump-around showmanship, but the first 9:30 show sounded so great that it was really cool. THe second show was totally a barely-going-through-the-motions affair and it blew.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: blipvurt on April 02, 2011, 01:40:00 pm
Sweetcell - which AM show did you go to that was so "horrible" the first or the second?

I totally disagree with the comments that the AMs put on a boring show. I think they are quite brilliant live. The first show at 930 and at Coachella were fantastic fun and their second 930 show demonstrated a depth to their music that went beyond them being just another puff-pop act. Although the crowd seemed unwilling to accept them evolving as a band and pulled the usual pouting/talking through the new songs routine.

Review of the second 930 Club show:
http://www.welovedc.com/2009/12/11/we-love-music-all-the-pretty-visitors/

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: ggw on April 02, 2011, 01:59:34 pm
The first Arctic Monkeys show at the 9:30 wasn't bad. They were definitely very "business" like, but they sounded good.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on April 02, 2011, 03:09:38 pm
the last 930 Arctic Monkeys show was very good.....I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: xneverwherex on April 04, 2011, 11:46:57 am
I agree on the AM being one of the most boring shows. I guess I had expected so much more, but they were just bland.

BUT - if you give me Alex's other band - The Last Shadow Puppets - they are insanely awesome live. Maybe the addition of Miles Kane is the missing link.

An Arctic Monkey's show is often described as songs played with little fanfare and much like as recorded in the studio. 

yup. AM @ the club was one of the dullest performances i've ever attended.  and they were pissy on top of it.  horrible, boring show. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on April 04, 2011, 12:25:27 pm
Sweetcell - which AM show did you go to that was so "horrible" the first or the second?

it was the first - 2007?  def wasn't the 2009 show.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on April 04, 2011, 01:33:21 pm

But what's the difference between seeing The Arctic Monkeys live and Death Cab for Cutie live?  Both don't do much on stage.  Both sound a lot like their records.  The Arctic Monkeys MUSIC is actually EXCITING whereas Death Cab For Cutie's music is actually ANESTHETIZING.

It's just like LCD Soundsystem and The Black Eyed Peas.  What makes one any more special than the other?  It's both dance music.  It's music made to shake your ass.  LCD has more snarky, studied irony but that never helped anyone get down.

It's the whole: "But the person making the music is JUST LIKE ME!  An over-educated grad student who would rather watch and snark than participate!"

"Rock critics like Elvis Costello because rock critics look like Elvis Costello." - David Lee Roth

(http://themorningafterpills.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/alex-turner.jpg)

(http://www.boston.com/ae/music/blog/ben-gibbard_by-ryan-russell.jpg)

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on April 04, 2011, 03:14:50 pm
I have seen the Arctic Monkeys live a couple times, I'm definitely sitting this one out. They remind me of the first couple times I saw Oasis. Dull, dull, dull, but the songs were performed well and sounded fine. But at the end of the day, there's very little incentive to go back a third time. Death Cab is a band I actually enjoy seeing though. I'll be glad to check them out again.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 04, 2011, 03:45:05 pm
so......about the Dinosaur Jr show. Great opening act (would pay to see them headline again).  And that's one of the better records for them to play, for sure.  But Henry Rollins doing an interview with the band before the set?  Seriously?  Why?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on April 04, 2011, 04:09:00 pm
so......about the Dinosaur Jr show. Great opening act (would pay to see them headline again).  And that's one of the better records for them to play, for sure.  But Henry Rollins doing an interview with the band before the set?  Seriously?  Why?

Because he's Alt Nation's James Lipton, that's why.

(http://www.karmaspawn.com/resources/James%20Lipton.jpg)


(http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/henry-rollins.jpg)

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: ggw on April 04, 2011, 04:27:25 pm
Just out of curiosity, I searched google images for "Brian Wallace". 

The second picture is closest to what I imagine our Brian Wallace looking like.  The fact that the photo comes from a website connecting prison inmates with penpals is just an added bonus.


(http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20100302/3f5f52_Wallace_03032010.JPG)

(http://www.friendstiltheend.com/images/ScannedImage-32.jpg)

(http://www.legendoutfitting.com/Whitetail/Mikes_Buck_01.JPG)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WwQZClliUu8/SddlsGklFrE/AAAAAAAAPoE/ODrKZ2lTETM/2008CherryCreekBrianWallace.jpg)

(http://brianwallace.net/images/brian-wallace2.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on April 04, 2011, 04:32:15 pm
so......about the Dinosaur Jr show. Great opening act (would pay to see them headline again).  And that's one of the better records for them to play, for sure.  But Henry Rollins doing an interview with the band before the set?  Seriously?  Why?

HR: SO JAY, ARE YOU READY TO GET INTENSE? I HAVEN'T BEEN THIS BLOWN AWAY SINCE COCK CHENEY SHOT ME IN THE FACE
JM: iunno mumble mumble i guess uh.... uh... mm. wassa'question again?
HR: FUCK YEAH! I HATE PEOPLE AND YET AM CONSTANTLY IN THE PUBLIC EYE!
JM: [weeps softly; pets hair]
HR: [gives birth]
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on April 04, 2011, 05:09:17 pm
Just out of curiosity, I searched google images for "Brian Wallace". 

The second picture is closest to what I imagine our Brian Wallace looking like.  The fact that the photo comes from a website connecting prison inmates with penpals is just an added bonus.


(http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20100302/3f5f52_Wallace_03032010.JPG)

(http://www.friendstiltheend.com/images/ScannedImage-32.jpg)

(http://www.legendoutfitting.com/Whitetail/Mikes_Buck_01.JPG)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WwQZClliUu8/SddlsGklFrE/AAAAAAAAPoE/ODrKZ2lTETM/2008CherryCreekBrianWallace.jpg)

(http://brianwallace.net/images/brian-wallace2.jpg)

haha, this is hilarious  ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Mr.Whippy on April 04, 2011, 05:56:53 pm
so......about the Dinosaur Jr show. Great opening act (would pay to see them headline again).  And that's one of the better records for them to play, for sure.  But Henry Rollins doing an interview with the band before the set?  Seriously?  Why?

Agreed, this seems silly.  The only acceptable use of a question and answer segment in a show is Shellac, who seem to give the audience chances to ask them questions just to berate people for asking stupid questions.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: blipvurt on April 05, 2011, 10:02:19 am
Agreed on Shellac, but Thee Silver Mt. Zion have pretty funny Q&A's during their shows too.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on April 05, 2011, 10:09:00 am
The second picture is closest to what I imagine our Brian Wallace looking like. 

#4 is my candidate for most brian-like.  that pic also looks a little like rolllins.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on April 05, 2011, 10:16:37 am
Not when the subject of Vic Chesnutt comes up like it did last year

... but Thee Silver Mt. Zion have pretty funny Q&A's during their shows too.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on April 11, 2011, 03:54:11 pm
Another crap band that my first indie rock girlfriend tried to get me to listen to in the 1990's. No thanks!

Archers of Loaf
Black Cat
8/5

on sale Friday April 15
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on April 11, 2011, 04:01:11 pm
I saw Archers a few times in the 90's, opening for other bands. They never grabbed me.

I secretly referred to them as Pinchers of Loaf.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on April 13, 2011, 09:24:04 pm
just out of curiousity

who has been the most hated person on this board ever?

pretty sure dupek wins that prize.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on April 13, 2011, 09:32:22 pm
Dupek by a long shot.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on April 13, 2011, 09:36:37 pm
Is that person still around or under a differnt name  ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on April 13, 2011, 09:42:22 pm
just out of curiousity

who has been the most hated person on this board ever?

pretty sure dupek wins that prize.

evilsanta
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: IMAmoose24 on April 13, 2011, 11:48:17 pm
I don't agree with the Arctic Monkeys analogy at all.

That being said, I am a HUGE fanboy and have been since their inception so my personal opinion can easily (and rightfully so) be seen as biased. I saw them their first time at the club. In all, it was incredible, beside the moshers during slower songs like mardy bum... they pissed the hell out of me (and being in the first row didnt help either. my nuts took a beating that night, and not in a good way). Missed their Favorite worst nightmare tour due to the fact that it took me a while to get into that album. Humbug's first single, "Crying Lightning" caught me completely off guard and I fell in love all over again. Loved the new album. Caught them at Rams Head and had a great time.

After falling in love with Favorite Worst Nightmare half a year before the rams head show, I can honestly say that they have been one of the more consistent acts in my life. I can always count on them to play a good show that me and my friends will enjoy.

This is why I will be there yet again come may. And after their recent release of the new single "Don't sit down cause I moved your chair", I can easily expect more of the same from the boy across the lake.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on April 18, 2011, 10:29:36 pm
i always enjoyed the days of when it was the spin way of thinking and the rolling stone way of thinking about music.  to each their own and all that.  i got a free subscription to rolling stone after buying tickets on ticketmaster recently.  it seems to have changed in nature and slighted view.  has spin remained the same because i never bother to read spin?

i've had free a free subscription to spin for some time now, as well as RS, both b/c of free offers that came with ticket purchases.  actually, i think i'm now out of the "free offer" period for spin and they just keep sending it to me.

RS has had an evolution over the years because there has been some amount of substance to what they write - so there has been something to evolve.  you can disagree with what they write but you can't deny that they have some good writers on staff who try, however meekly, to get beyond the surface of a story.  then they have rabid left-wingers like taibbi who takes his watchdog role way too seriously (he does come up with some gems (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928), tho).  a problem they have is that they have become an institution, they are the status quo of rock journalism.

spin, as far as i can tell, makes no allusions about depth.  they are the teenbeat/tiger magazine of music journalism.  they report whatever the industry & its marketing machines gives them to report.  nothing jarring, no negative lead stories, no horrible reviews.  it can be a decent source of information on upcoming albums and shows, and i get some entertainment out of the interviews with artists, but it's pure cotton candy.  every now and then they try running something beyond the marketing hype - "the problem with the music industry today" or "why does <insert city name here> have such a vibrant music scene?" - and invariably fall flat. 

has spin changes over the years?  i've only been reading it for 3 or 4 years, and from what i remember it's always been about the same... not that i've been paying close attention.  hasn't been much substance to pay close attention to.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on April 18, 2011, 10:42:37 pm
see . . . i'd knew you come through.


sorry, too lazy for a cat picture to accent the moment we're having here.  picture one in your mind.  hold it, hold it.  there.  isn't that better?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Bombay Chutney on April 19, 2011, 09:44:15 am
i always enjoyed the days of when it was the spin way of thinking and the rolling stone way of thinking about music.  to each their own and all that.  i got a free subscription to rolling stone after buying tickets on ticketmaster recently.  it seems to have changed in nature and slighted view.  has spin remained the same because i never bother to read spin?

i've had free a free subscription to spin for some time now, as well as RS, both b/c of free offers that came with ticket purchases.  actually, i think i'm now out of the "free offer" period for spin and they just keep sending it to me.

I'll bet they're charging you for it.  I think that's part of the agreement of getting the free sub with tickets.  You agree to let them start charging your credit card after the "Free" period ends.  Tricky.

Quote
has spin changes over the years?  i've only been reading it for 3 or 4 years, and from what i remember it's always been about the same... not that i've been paying close attention.  hasn't been much substance to pay close attention to.

Spin was great when it first started.  If you were too lazy to bother with fanzines, it was the only place you could regularly/easily read about the likes of Sonic Youth, Husker Du, The Cure, etc.     It was the first alternative rag to hit the major market.    They never completely ignored the mainstream though.  Madonna was on their 1st or 2nd cover.  But as "Indie Turned Mainstream" (tm), Spin went right along with it.   I don't remember them doing much in-depth reporting as much as they just brought you bands you couldn't read about elsewhere.  It was a pretty good mag in the mid-80s.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Ardamus on April 19, 2011, 05:58:23 pm
I'm opening for Beans of Anti-Pop Consortium at DC9.

http://www.dcnine.com/event/beans/ (http://www.dcnine.com/event/beans/)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on May 09, 2011, 10:17:27 am
HFStival 2011
Saturday, September 17th
Merriweather Post Pavilion

The Avett Brothers
Flogging Molly
Dr. Dog
Gin Blossoms
Clutch
Minus the Bear
Diane Birch

Over 20 bands on 3 stages
Tickets: $35 lawn, $50 reserved (prices include all fees! This is what you really pay!)
Pre-Sale for $5 off is Friday May 13-15

FM + clutch?  in. 

i hope the TBD bands beef things up a bit, but those two bands + MPP on a september afternoon is enough to get me there :)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on May 10, 2011, 01:27:03 pm
Weren't Soundgarden tickets available today?  Pre-sale, maybe?  I didn't try but wonder what kind of seats were up for grabs.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on May 10, 2011, 01:28:28 pm

FM + clutch?  in. 

i hope the TBD bands beef things up a bit, but those two bands + MPP on a september afternoon is enough to get me there :)


I'm really on the fence for this one - those are pretty much my thoughts exactly but $50 is a lot for just those two.  Not interested at all in any of the other acts.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on May 10, 2011, 01:41:06 pm
$50 is a lot for just those two. 

my thinking on this:
- FM is worth $20 to me.
- clutch is worth $20 to me.
- spending a lazy saturday afternoon at MPP listening to bands i might not otherwise ever hear: at least $10.

so financially i've already justified this to myself :)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on May 10, 2011, 01:46:02 pm
Those are good prices for seeing those acts in a club (though they're not the two I would pick), but a shed? On the same day? With shorter sets?

$50 is a lot for just those two. 

my thinking on this:
- FM is worth $20 to me.
- clutch is worth $20 to me.
- spending a lazy saturday afternoon at MPP listening to bands i might not otherwise ever hear: at least $10.

so financially i've already justified this to myself :)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on May 10, 2011, 02:08:31 pm
shed: this isn't a minus, for me, as long as it's MPP.  allows for multiple stages, something you can't get in a club where if you don't like the band on stage you're pretty low on options.  you can get some sun and fresh air.  lots of food and drink options.  sometimes there a market.

same day: i don't think this is a bad thing.  it's a long day and you need to pace yourself (well, some of us do), but it makes for a one-day musical vacation.

shorter sets: this is a definite and big negative, can't argue there.  FM should hopefully get an hour, maybe even an hour and a half if they headline the second stage.  getting only 40 minutes of clutch would/will suck.  hey seth...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on May 10, 2011, 02:17:59 pm
Fair enough. I do know i'd pay

$25 to see Dr. Dog
$20 to see Avett Brothers
$15 to see Flogging Molly
$10 to see Clutch
50 cents to see Gin Blossoms

individually at clubs, but I wouldn't pay $35 or $50 too see that shed festival. Sorry...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on May 10, 2011, 05:59:52 pm
Weren't Soundgarden tickets available today?  Pre-sale, maybe?  I didn't try but wonder what kind of seats were up for grabs.

presale

general admission floors...2 for $133 all in...cheapest of tour at patriot center


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on May 10, 2011, 08:54:45 pm
i'd pay $50-$75 just to see mars volta.  chris cornell's voice makes me want to break glass . . . over my head and then drink the blood from my open neck veins.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on May 11, 2011, 10:22:53 am
So the shrieking in Mars Volta is ok but Cornell's shrieking is not?  Mmmmmkay...... ::)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on May 11, 2011, 11:24:41 am
I just don't get the Mars Volta. I've tried. But it just sounds like a bunch of people frustrated that their instruments aren't making the kind of sound they want them to, so they spend 3 hours performing in the hope that it'll come out right but it never does.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on May 11, 2011, 11:50:19 am
I just don't get the Mars Volta. I've tried. But it just sounds like a bunch of people frustrated that their instruments aren't making the kind of sound they want them to, so they spend 3 hours performing in the hope that it'll come out right but it never does.


dont get them either..saw 'em during their 15 min of fame...

do respect 'em....just dont enjoy
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on May 11, 2011, 11:59:41 am
They're talented as hell but don't seem to understand that sometimes less is more.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: ggw on May 11, 2011, 12:14:25 pm
The Mars Volta had 15 minutes of fame?

Their albums can run to the self indulgent and wankish, but their show at the 930 a few years ago is easily one of the five best shows I saw in the last decade.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on May 11, 2011, 12:23:27 pm
Fair enough. I do know i'd pay

$25 to see Dr. Dog
$20 to see Avett Brothers
$15 to see Flogging Molly
$10 to see Clutch
50 cents to see Gin Blossoms


A minimum wage worker would have to work like a whole day to buy all of these tickets.  You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on May 11, 2011, 12:30:16 pm
The Mars Volta had 15 minutes of fame?

Their albums can run to the self indulgent and wankish, but their show at the 930 a few years ago is easily one of the five best shows I saw in the last decade.

yah...right before 1st album the hype was in overdrive
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on May 11, 2011, 05:07:00 pm
I like Vitamin Water.  Tasty.

The regular VW doesn't do it for me but the VW Zero is surprisingly good, particularly as a throat moistener while enjoying a Kodiak dip

I drink a ton of VW.  The problem for me is that every time I choose a flavor, they discontinue it.

I will never forgive them for discontinuing "Connect" - the black cherry flavor with 44mg of caffeine.  I think it might have been the subject of the lawsuit about VW not being as healthy as they claim.

Now they've moved on to a zero flavor called drive that also has caffeine, but only 30 mg.  Weak sauce.... 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on May 19, 2011, 10:11:30 am
HFStival 2011
Saturday, September 17th
Merriweather Post Pavilion

The Avett Brothers
Flogging Molly
Dr. Dog
Gin Blossoms
Clutch
Minus the Bear
Diane Birch

Over 20 bands on 3 stages
Tickets: $35 lawn, $50 reserved (prices include all fees! This is what you really pay!)
Pre-Sale for $5 off is Friday May 13-15

presale started a few minutes ago.  the reserved pavilions that i was able to pull sucked, but gots me a pair o' floors (which is where i want to be for this show anyways :))

presale brought to you by 991HFS, password discoverable via the google (or maybe even this post...)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on May 19, 2011, 12:01:42 pm
Dr. Dog

One of my faves....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 27, 2011, 12:02:51 pm
Violence at rock shows off the top of my head

People trampled to death at a Who concert

Pyro gone wrong

Dude killed on stage

Jack white puches another dude in the face repeatedly
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on May 27, 2011, 12:08:16 pm
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Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: nkotb on May 27, 2011, 12:12:54 pm
Good call...one inappropriate listing there definitely voids the entire argument.

Where people trampled at a Pearl Jam show?  Didn't Rhett have a bottle smashed on his head at a Cracker show and his ass bitten at a DBT show?

you're saying that the tragic deaths at the club involving great white . . . was "violence at a show"?

should you even be on a musical site?  wow.  what a fucking idiot you are.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 27, 2011, 12:25:00 pm
(Trying to ignore the name calling)

Guns and roses inspired rioting
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on May 27, 2011, 12:38:57 pm
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Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on May 27, 2011, 12:43:06 pm
Wasn't some girl murdered after a Metallica show in VA recently?


Sorry about your racial biases, walkies but this shit happens everywhere and in all walks of life.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on May 27, 2011, 12:44:29 pm
i wonder why walkies is on such an anti-rap kick... i wonder, i wonder... maybe some of his past behaviors & comments can inform us...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 27, 2011, 12:46:07 pm
Sorry the top is occupied these days with listening to soul/funk music and no so much on the violence at music events.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on May 27, 2011, 12:51:19 pm
Both of those guys were white.

The two guys who knocked my down from behind, took my wallet, and kicked me in the head after I had already handed over my wallet were both black.

Violent assholes come in all colors.

Good call...one inappropriate listing there definitely voids the entire argument.

Where people trampled at a Pearl Jam show?  Didn't Rhett have a bottle smashed on his head at a Cracker show and his ass bitten at a DBT show?

you're saying that the tragic deaths at the club involving great white . . . was "violence at a show"?

should you even be on a musical site?  wow.  what a fucking idiot you are.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on May 27, 2011, 12:56:27 pm
(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/princess08_018/cat-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on May 27, 2011, 12:59:29 pm
I'm listening to the radio right now (KEXP), and the singer is singing about hanging the dj. And it aint rap!!!

i'm not talking about the colour of skin here . . . sweetcell . . . so assume all you want.

i'm talking about the music itself . . . you know the kind that promotes the violence, the guns, the drugs, the killings, the egos.  that is what i'm talking about.  rap music is white too.  the music is what i hate, not the people who listen to it. 

i've been to hundreds and hundreds of concerts since 1990, all by bands that don't promote violence, and you know what . . . no violence happened.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on May 27, 2011, 01:01:04 pm
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Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on May 27, 2011, 01:05:10 pm
So rap/hip-hop are the only styles of music where violence is sung about now? Just when I thought this argument couldn't get more ridiculous...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on May 27, 2011, 01:07:59 pm
(http://www.gibsonswildliferehabcentre.org/images/cat-exercise.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on May 27, 2011, 01:12:03 pm
I am at work and things are slow with only a few people in the office.


Watching you try to defend the absurd post in JA is amusing and helps pass the time.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on May 27, 2011, 01:24:53 pm
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Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on June 06, 2011, 11:45:42 am
bummed ferry wont be at club but happy i will get to see him

any word on a presale?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on June 06, 2011, 01:48:51 pm
Bes sure to stop by my place pre-show. We can sit on the deck and drink some hoppy beers, make rape and abortion jokes, and make fun of of minorities and handicapped people!

never heard of "enslaved"... dammit.  am i really going to jaxx, to see the first of two openers?

wait, have we added the handicapped to our repetoire?  awesome!  i've got some doozies... what part of a vegetable is the hardest to eat?  the wheelchair!

and let's be honest, ford - we'll share a hoppy beer.  the show is on a thursday night after all.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: walkonby on June 06, 2011, 01:55:33 pm
don't forget the fag jokes.  they always make me smile.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on June 06, 2011, 02:08:46 pm
I think that's the first time I got 'offended,' even if he's being sarcastic. Anyway, it should be:

Train = Father
Old 97s = Son
Nada Surf = Holy Ghost


Pssst, hey Joe.  Just between you and me, I think James was being sarcastic. 

he's referring to OK Go and Pomplamoose

Train=Father
Kurt Vile=Son
Woods=Holy Ghost

Did I get it right?


Add Train to that bill and you have the father, son and holy ghost of the shittiest music ever made.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on June 06, 2011, 02:30:38 pm
I'm always happy to call into question the groupthink lameness of what passes for taste on this music board.  ;D

Now, can I share with y'all how lame DCFC is? Because they are. And I've even seen them live. Before they went major label.

I think that's the first time I got 'offended,' even if he's being sarcastic. Anyway, it should be:

Train = Father
Old 97s = Son
Nada Surf = Holy Ghost


Pssst, hey Joe.  Just between you and me, I think James was being sarcastic. 

he's referring to OK Go and Pomplamoose

Train=Father
Kurt Vile=Son
Woods=Holy Ghost

Did I get it right?


Add Train to that bill and you have the father, son and holy ghost of the shittiest music ever made.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on June 06, 2011, 02:57:24 pm
too bad the new Alcest vocal direction has made them almost unlistenable.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on June 06, 2011, 03:18:26 pm
too bad the new Alcest vocal direction has made them almost unlistenable.

Tell me about it! I was just hoping to hear some of their Gazier selections along with that monster Korn crap I would expect to have to put up with. Seems I heard that the newer material they are now working on is going back to the Gaze direction but maybe I misinterpreted something. Weird how you can either totally love or hate various selections from the same band.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on June 06, 2011, 03:56:00 pm
Now, can I share with y'all how lame DCFC is? Because they are. And I've even seen them live. Before they went major label.

i'm pretty sure your non-ironic appreciation of the Old 97's disqualifies you from making this statement.

normally pointing out that you weren't there at the show should disqualify you, but apparently you can overcome space and time to pass judgement on things you didn't witness (or witnessed a decade ago - no chance that a band would change in all those years and hundreds of shows, right? ;D). 

yet another way this board is awesome!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on June 06, 2011, 04:06:12 pm
^ I think he was just joking about.  ;)    .... but maybe not.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 06, 2011, 06:39:37 pm
Will just go straight to this thread for this one

"Worst Festival Ever"
or
"This Festival thing has gotten out of hand"
or
"Go anyways Michigan needs the dollars"

http://www.electricforestfestival.com/lineup/artists

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on June 06, 2011, 07:17:16 pm
I'm stealing Chris Wyngarten's comment.

Every inch of this will smell like ppl who took too much ecstasy, pissed themselves & covered the stink with patchouli

Will just go straight to this thread for this one

"Worst Festival Ever"
or
"This Festival thing has gotten out of hand"
or
"Go anyways Michigan needs the dollars"

http://www.electricforestfestival.com/lineup/artists


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on June 06, 2011, 11:36:17 pm
Tell me about it! I was just hoping to hear some of their Gazier selections along with that monster Korn crap I would expect to have to put up with. Seems I heard that the newer material they are now working on is going back to the Gaze direction but maybe I misinterpreted something. Weird how you can either totally love or hate various selections from the same band.
I will still go see them, if I can swing it.  Im guessing Jaxx is a venue that usually doesnt get bands I would want to see, since I have never been there before or had a reason to check it out.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on June 09, 2011, 10:17:16 am
bryan ferry presale link not working.. come on guys.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on June 09, 2011, 10:23:57 am
go to ticketmaster directly and search for the show.

bryan ferry presale link not working.. come on guys.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on June 09, 2011, 11:17:51 am
go to ticketmaster directly and search for the show.

bryan ferry presale link not working.. come on guys.


thanks!

yah i had worked it out by the time i posted my original comment..just think the 930 should send a working link..


i did lose a few minutes though...there's even a ticketfly page been created
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on July 05, 2011, 02:39:13 pm
not guilty

<checks news websites to confirm what this is about>

who the fuck cares.  anyone who followed this story and thinks it was important is a media lemming.  this legal sensationalism/voyeurism is disgusting. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on July 14, 2011, 07:30:38 pm
Ok gotta unearth this thread...

I think it's a brilliant move on the Clubs part to announce so many so shows prior to the launch of that other venue show announcements, if anything it means people will have already bought tickets for shows at the club

the two page ad in the Express was very impressive today...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on July 14, 2011, 07:47:10 pm
Ok gotta unearth this thread...

I think it's a brilliant move on the Clubs part to announce so many so shows prior to the launch of that other venue show announcements, if anything it means people will have already bought tickets for shows at the club

the two page ad in the Express was very impressive today...


i think your post represents a conflict of interest...being an administrator and all.. ;D


but there is no doubt that IMP has been for a few years now increasingly creaming Live Nation... I mean even the bigger shows seem to increasingly be IMP (Soundgarden) in the DC market...

i mean just look at the crap (and how few bookings) they have at Jiffy Lube... even the warner this year has barely had any music (so far).... and the rumblings I've heard about the Fillmore are that the acts aren't all that and a bag of chips...although maybe they aim to start slowly..

I'm not sure if I think increased competition for IMP would raise ticket prices or lower them so I'm not sure what I want the ultimate outcome to be... All other things being equal I tend to think more venues is better for DC..

of course none of this addresses the issue of subsidies for SS FIllmore...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on July 14, 2011, 07:55:32 pm
Okay, so it's my turn to do a little ass kissing.

YOU GO, SETH!!!!!

Besides having the best music promotions business, I just LOVE how you kick corporate ass!!!

There are good businesses and corporations and then there are bad and we all know here which is which.


Hutch, I agree that more venues is good, and even Seth has said the very same thing in the past. The issue, as you seem to be aware of by your last statement, is how all this was done. This wasn't just a new venue moving into town. This was a dirty political dealing, at the already strained tax payers' expense. Also stunk of doing dirty business by trying to squealch any of the others, probably also at the expense of the musicians themselves as it's public knowledge how Live Nation controls it's bands.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on July 20, 2011, 09:26:53 pm
people at concerts nowadays sure can be rude to total strangers.  i think they've all been conditioned by the "safeness by computer screens" so they think they can say whatever to anybody.

went to see pat benatar . . . and man, there are some really out of shape fat guys who think they can just say what they want to people at concerts.  and boy they get upset when you hear what they said and stare at them.  no wonder serial killers exist.  some people really do suck. 

Agreed.  I've never seen a skinny hipster display this behavior.  Damn those rude, out of shape fat guys.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on July 21, 2011, 08:15:04 am
people at concerts nowadays sure can be rude to total strangers.  i think they've all been conditioned by the "safeness by computer screens" so they think they can say whatever to anybody.

went to see pat benatar . . . and man, there are some really out of shape fat guys who think they can just say what they want to people at concerts.  and boy they get upset when you hear what they said and stare at them.  no wonder serial killers exist.  some people really do suck. 

Agreed.  I've never seen a skinny hipster display this behavior.  Damn those rude, out of shape fat guys.

actually it was a toss up . . . there was a skinny guy too being an ass . . . but his assholiness also was fueled by his horrible attempts to hit on two chatter whores behind me.  the larger guy was being more an asshole, so i singled him out.  how rude of me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: imbecile on July 21, 2011, 08:54:36 am
VNV Nation
12/6
930

cool.

Wow, may have to check this out.  Haven't seen them since the Capital Ballroom closed.. or whatever it changed it's name to.

Speaking of that place, and the above comments about more venues the merrier.  Whatever happened to these guys once they got bought by ballpark developers.  Did they open a new venue, or go the club route, which seems to be where that place was heading anyway with all the dance nights.. or did they just get out of promotion/clubs/entertaining in general?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on August 08, 2011, 05:12:50 pm
Foo Fighters with Social Distortion & The Joy Formidable
11/11/11
Verizon Center
Tickets on sale Friday at 10am
Presale Wednesday

This will be a very good show.  Foo Fighters were awesome at Lolla with them playing thru a rain storm.  Also holy crap is Joy Formidable awesome or what?  That lead singer can wail and plays a mean guitar.  I was very impressed by them.  Might try to get tickets for this show if I can get tickets for pit.  ;D

It doesn't matter (quiet) if you're playing through (shhhhh!) a Category 5 hurricane if all you're (soft) playing is:

WARMED-OVER! (drums!)
3rd RATE! (agro!)
CANDLEBOX (Dude!)
RETREADS! (Screaming now! Drum break!)

You can't polish a turd.

Brian

you know my good man . . . i like pearl jam.  i'm not sure of your opinion of pearl jam, seeing how your views on pink floyd and springsteen (two other artists i like) are past entires of enjoyable text.  but when i saw pearl jam at verizon, though i had great seats, row a next to the floor . . . i thought the extreme presence of the venue ruined the effect of the band.  foo fighters . . . ehh, they're ok enough for this generation of good rock music, which barely exists.  foo fighters at venues like verizon, no way.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on August 10, 2011, 05:41:04 pm

The Grey Fox doesn't approve either:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2011/08/09/2011-08-09_anderson_cooper_bashes_chris_brown_after_learning_he_scored_role_in_romantic_com.html?r=entertainment

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on August 10, 2011, 07:17:00 pm
big nono in any world, whether real or in the entertainment zone, the gay guy should never bash the guy who could kick your ass.  but anderson is indeed . . . the "grey fox."  still, at his age?  wow.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on August 10, 2011, 07:31:11 pm
big nono in any world, whether real or in the entertainment zone, the gay guy should never bash the guy who could kick your ass.  but anderson is indeed . . . the "grey fox."  still, at his age?  wow.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/mom-and-dad-im-gay-and-also-stronger-than-both-of,21017/

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on August 31, 2011, 05:17:30 pm
I just hope the DC crowd is not as painfully lame and small as the most recent DC Jesus Lizard crowd.


scratch acid vs JL: lower name recognition, put out fewer albums, and are a more distant memory... you tell me how big the crowd is going to be  :-\
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on August 31, 2011, 05:28:59 pm
Yeah, you're most likely right.


11/4 is a Friday though so that's something? Maybe?

Yeah I know I am reaching.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on September 05, 2011, 05:52:39 pm
I think the stereotype is exaggerated 99% of the time but that night might have  been the worst crowd I experienced in all my show going years at the club.

theories that come to mind:

a) for those of us who go to too many shows, the lame ones stick out disproportionately.  we have this expectation that every single show is supposed to be amazing. 

b) DC is a smaller market than, say, NYC, with whom we insist on comparing ourselves with.  when a band play a 1,200-person venue in NYC there will be a higher proportion of "hardcore fans". 

c) joe.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 05, 2011, 08:54:01 pm
A) The show itself was great. The band was tight as ever and Yow was at his Yowest. Even he was obviously annoyed at the sparse and inactive crowd.
B) Good point although from all accounts, Baltimore which is a significantly smaller market was a more raucous affair.
C) Yep, Joe.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 05, 2011, 10:09:13 pm
oh please I bet one can find people in other cities complaining about others not dancing or getting into show...  have you seen this clip from blow-up?  not much has changed in 40 years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zeza1xeWKM
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on September 05, 2011, 10:38:02 pm
Yeah, more often than not, the criticism is stupid and unfounded but for this show in particular, the crowd was an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on September 05, 2011, 11:09:09 pm


DC crowds couldn't touch Detroit on its biggest crack hangover day.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on September 12, 2011, 01:14:26 pm
Sting
DAR
10/29/2011

guesses on how much prime orchestra seats will go for?  i say top price is $250 (ticket only, excludes any potential VIP packages/"fantasy ticket" bundles/etc).
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on September 12, 2011, 01:19:31 pm
I'd guess closer to $500. I don't know why, but I just totally have a feeling it'll be something absurd.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on September 12, 2011, 01:22:16 pm
$141 for "regular prime" orchestra seats. Not sure about the VIP yet.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on September 12, 2011, 02:23:55 pm
$141 for "regular prime" orchestra seats.

wow.  we really are in a recession!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 12, 2011, 02:43:05 pm
$141 for "regular prime" orchestra seats.

wow.  we really are in a recession!

That's only because he'll only be playing music from this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FBXEYFD6L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

on his lute.

But if Jennifer Connely and David Bowie show up, that's a wash, right?

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on September 12, 2011, 03:07:34 pm
Only $20 for Little Dragon the same night.

Who would pay seven times as much for a Sting show?

$141 for "regular prime" orchestra seats. Not sure about the VIP yet.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on September 12, 2011, 04:01:05 pm
because he likes sting, and doesn't care about little dragon? 

you could also listen to the drunk dude with an untuned guitar on the street corner for less than a dollar.  why pay 20 times more for little dragon?  :P
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on September 14, 2011, 11:05:21 am
Hmmmm...$275 for VIP package. Yeah, I'd say if the economy were better he'd be going for much more.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on September 14, 2011, 11:26:04 am
The DC area economy is actually doing really well.. and thats the market that matters..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 20, 2011, 02:27:49 pm

I think she's hot.  I'd pay for that with some lace-ups and discipline.

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on September 20, 2011, 02:48:24 pm
you know it.  i give up the gay for a minute of that.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: ggw on September 20, 2011, 03:10:04 pm
I'd hit it.


With a baseball bat.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on September 20, 2011, 04:51:49 pm
i'm so happy . . . them there queers can kill too now.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on September 20, 2011, 09:15:40 pm
awesome

(http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/283271_S/muppet-electric-mayhem-concert-posters-are-awesome.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 22, 2011, 02:15:44 pm

I'd like to think I'm pretty progressive but....I'm sorry..."Chaz" Bono weirds me out.  Maybe because he/she is so unattractively overweight.  Since she doesn't have a ****, I'm not confident in calling her 100% man.

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on September 22, 2011, 03:19:30 pm

Nancy Grace could teach you a few things, James Ford.  She'd be a whole lotta fun.  Count me in.

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on September 22, 2011, 03:44:02 pm
chaz weirds alot of people out.  gay people are sometimes apt to name transgenders, transsexuals, transylvania six five thousand, as not gay, and should not be labeled within the lbgt community.  who knows.  i have always found the species within the species fascinating, and understand it must be the most difficult to go through such a hidden life transformed into something else.  gay people are fascinating also, and straights, and women . . . as well as every other organizational community on this planet.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on October 12, 2011, 12:51:31 pm
nice review of hank iii's straight to hell album.


Tattooed Dolt Tosses Around Manure From the Hillbilly Landfill
 
Let me up, I've had enough of hillbilly rednecks in media?tattoo parlor employees, topers in trailers, ultimate fighters, backyard wrestlers, punching and kicking roller derby girls, and Gretchen Wilson spitting tobacco juice in a paper cup during face-to-face conversations. It's not entertaining and real, it's crass and predictable. If they're the salt of the earth, then common sense and civic responsibility require us to round them up for burial at a condemned Superfund site.


Straight to Hell is a double dose of headache and blight, medium-tempo and slow country tunes about funnin' and gunnin' and Hank III's lawyer-shooting shotgun. Weedy, nasal, and hookless: By the time Hank III gets to the song about his love being his drinking problem, everyone will be wishing they were suffering blackouts. No such luck?there are four more tracks to endure plus a bonus CD, Louisiana Stripes. The song of that name asks you to buy the notion, should you feel compelled to rob a bank or perhaps shoot a lawyer, that the best friends are made in prison. So make sure you do your crime in Shreveport.

Stripes, the second volume, is fart from manure-flecked hillbilly pastures, with found local noises separating songs from the first CD. They're not exactly identical?although one about the lawyer shotgun is?but they might as well be; the listener won't be able to tell the difference. Antagonizingly, it's programmed so it can't be skipped through. And all of it's proudly recorded on a spend-$400-and-walk-out-the-door-of-Guitar-Center-with-it digital recording station, Hank III thinking the idea hasn't already occurred to everyone with a band page on MySpace.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on October 16, 2011, 09:05:04 pm
When did the Deer Tick show switch to a regular time format? I didn't think of going b/c originally it was scheduled for 10 pm doors right?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on October 17, 2011, 06:49:47 pm
Band of Horses
9:30 Club Washington, DC
Sun, December 11, 2011 7:00 PM


when i hear them on pandora, i like them.  is that odd?  they opened up for widespread once in north carolina.  i was in the lot having a good time and not caring.  that was not odd.

"Up, up and away, in my beautiful balloon." The Fifth Dimension   ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on October 21, 2011, 01:36:07 pm
major lack of upcoming RnR shows, so it seems.  what gives?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on October 21, 2011, 09:01:27 pm
Bands are realizing how much of a twat (using the English unisex version of the word here) Steve Lambert is and could be telling their agents to book them in better area rooms?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 11, 2011, 01:28:42 pm
i didn't get anything for mangum.  i got in fast, pulled up doughnuts.

BTW what's up with 930 promoting TM nowadays? (Fall Massive, Jeff Mangum).  Any clues?

930 uses TM for its bigger show.  makes sense for 2 reasons: TM can handle the volume better (TF chokes under the weight of a big onsale), and using different outlets keeps things competitive.  can't play hardball with vendors if there is only one game in town...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: ggw on November 11, 2011, 01:34:15 pm
I would guess that the ticket agent is venue-specific, not promoter specific.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: miss pretentious on November 11, 2011, 01:44:11 pm
thank you for the second show.
managed to get floor tickets to this one.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Got Haggis? on November 11, 2011, 01:54:08 pm
yeah, thanks for the 2nd show.  was quite easy to get tickets for that one....(still pulling up tickets now even)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 11, 2011, 02:02:30 pm
+1 for the second show.  on a saturday, even better!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 11, 2011, 02:03:56 pm
obviously saturday is a better night than friday which raises the question why didn't they sell tickets for saturday first..


strange.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 11, 2011, 02:06:04 pm
obviously saturday is a better night than friday which raises the question why didn't they sell tickets for saturday first..


strange.

you answered your own question.  you don't sell the best first, then hope that people buy the less-good afterwards.  there was obviously a lot of demand for this show, so sell out the second-best first, the better show will sell itself.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 11, 2011, 02:13:54 pm
obviously saturday is a better night than friday which raises the question why didn't they sell tickets for saturday first..


strange.

you answered your own question.  you don't sell the best first, then hope that people buy the less-good afterwards.  there was obviously a lot of demand for this show, so sell out the second-best first, the better show will sell itself.


based on how they have done thievery corporation shows in the past I don't think thats the way they've operated.. i think they've started  with the better nights


i could be wrong..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 11, 2011, 02:27:36 pm
hum, maybe.  i seem to remember, hazily, that one year when the did a 5-night run they did something funny like starting off with thur & fri, the added wed, then sunday (!), and finally saturday.  not 100% sure on that.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 22, 2011, 01:44:32 pm
Neil Diamond
Verizon Center
6/14/2012

prediction: best tickets will be over $150, and this show won't come close to selling out.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on November 22, 2011, 01:58:14 pm
Neil Diamond
Verizon Center
6/14/2012

prediction: best tickets will be over $150, and this show won't come close to selling out.

Wrong.  He's the Jewish Elvis.  And he doesn't tour that much.  This is almost a Jeff Magnum situation.

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on December 05, 2011, 12:04:56 pm
I don't know.  Justin Hawkins is not rocking the DLR hair and jumpsuits anymore.  He looks like a French Tool fan now:

(http://static.nme.com/images/gallery/Darkness03IOWPA110611.jpg)

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on December 05, 2011, 12:10:33 pm
I have no idea who this French tool is but it looks like he has a fake vagina.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on December 09, 2011, 09:25:57 am
I'm so confused about M83 sales. I sat on TF forever yesterday and it never said sold out so I assume tickets would be on sale today. I tried the fan/website sale, sold out -- did this show really sell out in the band pre-sale? Dang, just wanted on ticket since I had to miss the BC show.
And how does StubHub have 140 of the tickets for sale?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on December 09, 2011, 11:48:56 am
the band's presale sold out in less than 2 hours, for the DC show, and it wasn't widely advertized.  based on this, i expected the club's onsale to go quickly... and it did.

i don't think that TF's system automatically updates to "sold out" when all tickets are gone, i believe it's a manual process (someone has to update the page to show sold out).  so even if the "Select number of tickets" pull-down is still on the page, it doesn't mean there still are tickets.  i've gotten the "all tickets are currently in other people's shopping cart" message for hours, even though the show was likely already sold out.

stubhub has 140 tickets for sale because scalpers have put 140 tickets for sale there. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 14, 2011, 08:15:35 am
Foster the People
MPP
Friday, 8 June 2012

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on December 14, 2011, 09:19:25 am
anyone else pleasantly surprised to see the magnetic fields at the club rather than a sit-down theater?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on December 14, 2011, 11:38:48 am
Foster the People
MPP
Friday, 8 June 2012



I seem to remember someone said this a couple of days ago....

"bands these days, when they break, it happens on  a bigger scale than ever before"

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on December 14, 2011, 11:41:08 am
Foster the People
MPP
Friday, 8 June 2012



I seem to remember someone said this a couple of days ago....

"bands these days, when they break, it happens on  a bigger scale than ever before"


in the other thread someone was surprised at this booking. they did just sell out 930 club, and i think it was two nights?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on December 14, 2011, 11:42:35 am
the band's presale sold out in less than 2 hours, for the DC show, and it wasn't widely advertised. 
Thanks. I just couldn't for the life of me determine the club's sale b/c it appears it sold out in the band's presale.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on December 14, 2011, 12:41:49 pm
anyone else pleasantly surprised to see the magnetic fields at the club rather than a sit-down theater?

The new album sounds as though it will be more electronic like Holiday/Charm/Get Lost. More electronic = less acoustic = something that is easier to stand through? Maybe that also means we will get some Future Bible Heroes thrown in as well as more tracks from those three records.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on December 14, 2011, 12:56:31 pm
maybe the Lisner is not available for that date? the other dates are either in sit-down theaters (Boston, NYC) or GA clubs (Philly, North Carolina).

anyone else pleasantly surprised to see the magnetic fields at the club rather than a sit-down theater?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 14, 2011, 01:12:47 pm
I saw the Magnetic Fields at the 930 in 2001.. it was regular club show.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: xneverwherex on December 14, 2011, 01:50:54 pm
Im not sure why this is surprising. Theyve been touring a lot and started at the smaller clubs, gained a huge following and progressively bigger shows. I cant imagine things were all that
different in DC. They were playing as openers quite a bit (in NYC) then it was Bowery/MHOW - Webster Hall - Terminal 5 and next will be Rumsey Playfield (central park). It seems its the same down there.

They have another song (or 2) on the radio as it is. Its not that surprising?!

Foster the People
MPP
Friday, 8 June 2012



I seem to remember someone said this a couple of days ago....

"bands these days, when they break, it happens on  a bigger scale than ever before"


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 14, 2011, 04:12:29 pm
It would appear that we have returned to when a band can tour in support of a single
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 14, 2011, 04:18:55 pm
(http://www.criticizethis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/jackjill.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on December 14, 2011, 04:55:09 pm

Has anyone mashed up "Pumped Up Kicks" with "Cleveland Rocks" yet?

(http://classic-tv.com/shows/drewcareyshow/cast.jpg)

It would at least be as good as "21 Telephone Lines."

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on December 14, 2011, 05:09:28 pm
Never heard of this foster band, did a youtube search and 48 million views?  sheesh.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on December 14, 2011, 08:09:56 pm
You have been missing nothing.
Kenny G practicing circular farting into a recorder would be more exciting than seeing them.

Never heard of this foster band, did a youtube search and 48 million views?  sheesh.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on December 14, 2011, 08:25:41 pm
it's a catchy tune and about a killing spree  ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on December 14, 2011, 08:32:51 pm
Never heard of this foster band, did a youtube search and 48 million views?  sheesh.

Really?  They were all over the summer festival scene and did SNL a couple months ago (rather poorly I might add).  You would almost have to try NOT to have heard of them.

The timing of the show makes me thing they will pushing a follow up album before then.  Whether or not it sells out will depend on the success of that album and who the opener is.  They were fairly well attended at the two festivals I saw them at this summer which lends credence to Seth's hypothesis on the timing of today's bands meteoric rise.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on December 14, 2011, 08:38:10 pm
yeah, I saw them at Lolla, and they had one of the biggest crowds for their set ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on December 14, 2011, 08:58:14 pm
I like tunes about killing sprees as much as the next guy but this one is just awful.
it's a catchy tune and about a killing spree  ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 14, 2011, 09:37:21 pm
The fact that FTP keeps getting tagged "indie" just shows how meaningless the term has finally become. These guys are to indie what Matchbox 20 was to "alternative". They probably thought that they were being all ironic and shit with the Kenny G cameo--or expected their audience to think so--but it was really symptomatic of how industry inside they really are.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 14, 2011, 10:50:30 pm
So will the Kooks being doing their cover of FTP's biggest hit a part of their set?  And I thought this was the "indie" band that had two drummers in it...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on December 14, 2011, 11:47:45 pm
Wait wait wait! Kenny G is in the video for that song? I promise I had no clue when I made that comment.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 15, 2011, 12:57:57 am
Wait wait wait! Kenny G is in the video for that song? I promise I had no clue when I made that comment.


He was on SNL with them. Not kidding. Don't know about the video.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on December 15, 2011, 10:38:20 am
anyone else pleasantly surprised to see the magnetic fields at the club rather than a sit-down theater?

The new album sounds as though it will be more electronic like Holiday/Charm/Get Lost. More electronic = less acoustic = something that is easier to stand through? Maybe that also means we will get some Future Bible Heroes thrown in as well as more tracks from those three records.


Yeah, I'd prefer to see them standing, but I thought Stephin was pushing them into theaters wherever possible due to his tinnitus / irrational fear of applause.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on December 15, 2011, 11:25:59 am
Never heard of this foster band, did a youtube search and 48 million views?  sheesh.

Really?  They were all over the summer festival scene and did SNL a couple months ago (rather poorly I might add).  You would almost have to try NOT to have heard of them.


My ability to completely block out pop culture is astounding, even to me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on December 15, 2011, 11:47:53 am
Maybe you mistook them for MGMT? Both pretty generic.

I heard their hit on KEXP probably 10 times and assumed it was MGMT before the dj told me otherwise.


My college roommate was into Psychic TV, and all kinds of other weird shit that i don't remember, back in the the  late 80's. When I once name dropped "Michael Stipe" he had no clue who I was talking about.


Never heard of this foster band, did a youtube search and 48 million views?  sheesh.

Really?  They were all over the summer festival scene and did SNL a couple months ago (rather poorly I might add).  You would almost have to try NOT to have heard of them.


My ability to completely block out pop culture is astounding, even to me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on December 15, 2011, 04:14:35 pm
Nope.  Have no idea what MGMT sounds like either.  Though I have heard of them.

I don't listen to fm radio or satellite radio.  And I watch very little TV, 90% of it Dvrd so i don't hear the ads. 

Maybe you mistook them for MGMT? Both pretty generic.

I heard their hit on KEXP probably 10 times and assumed it was MGMT before the dj told me otherwise.


My college roommate was into Psychic TV, and all kinds of other weird shit that i don't remember, back in the the  late 80's. When I once name dropped "Michael Stipe" he had no clue who I was talking about.


Never heard of this foster band, did a youtube search and 48 million views?  sheesh.

Really?  They were all over the summer festival scene and did SNL a couple months ago (rather poorly I might add).  You would almost have to try NOT to have heard of them.


My ability to completely block out pop culture is astounding, even to me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on December 16, 2011, 11:08:48 am
In more late breaking news, I heard Mumford and Sons for the first time yesterday.


Nope.  Have no idea what MGMT sounds like either.  Though I have heard of them.

I don't listen to fm radio or satellite radio.  And I watch very little TV, 90% of it Dvrd so i don't hear the ads. 

Maybe you mistook them for MGMT? Both pretty generic.

I heard their hit on KEXP probably 10 times and assumed it was MGMT before the dj told me otherwise.


My college roommate was into Psychic TV, and all kinds of other weird shit that i don't remember, back in the the  late 80's. When I once name dropped "Michael Stipe" he had no clue who I was talking about.


Never heard of this foster band, did a youtube search and 48 million views?  sheesh.

Really?  They were all over the summer festival scene and did SNL a couple months ago (rather poorly I might add).  You would almost have to try NOT to have heard of them.


My ability to completely block out pop culture is astounding, even to me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on December 16, 2011, 11:31:28 am
wow  :o
In more late breaking news, I heard Mumford and Sons for the first time yesterday.


Nope.  Have no idea what MGMT sounds like either.  Though I have heard of them.

I don't listen to fm radio or satellite radio.  And I watch very little TV, 90% of it Dvrd so i don't hear the ads. 

Maybe you mistook them for MGMT? Both pretty generic.

I heard their hit on KEXP probably 10 times and assumed it was MGMT before the dj told me otherwise.


My college roommate was into Psychic TV, and all kinds of other weird shit that i don't remember, back in the the  late 80's. When I once name dropped "Michael Stipe" he had no clue who I was talking about.


Never heard of this foster band, did a youtube search and 48 million views?  sheesh.

Really?  They were all over the summer festival scene and did SNL a couple months ago (rather poorly I might add).  You would almost have to try NOT to have heard of them.


My ability to completely block out pop culture is astounding, even to me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 17, 2011, 12:23:54 pm
Coldplay added a second Verizon Center show: 7/9/12

that is the show i went for first, not knowing they had even added it until i got on.  never try first night first is my motto, no matter what day of the week each show is . . . even though sunday and monday concerts are usually not preferred.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on December 17, 2011, 02:40:25 pm
Coldplay added a second Verizon Center show: 7/9/12

great news!  this significantly increases my chances of picking up cheap tickets the week of the show, should i decide to go.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DotTheEyes on December 18, 2011, 12:21:39 pm
I wonder if they will play the exact same set list both nights.  Probably.

I bought Sunday tickets before the second show was announced.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on December 18, 2011, 12:29:35 pm
I wonder if they will play the exact same set list both nights.  Probably.

I bought Sunday tickets before the second show was announced.


100% yes.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 19, 2011, 02:16:27 pm
Well, slap my ass and call me sally... The black keys don't have any tickets available at the Verizon Center and sold out MSG.

I'm sure tickets are still available for both and will be released sporadically, but this blows my mind.

I take it back... tickets are still available just like I suspected!! No one is slappin' my ass except maybe Walkie.

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/funny-pictures-cat-wants-to-slap.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on December 22, 2011, 08:52:48 pm

Alien....Blade Runner...you obviously have a thing for Ridley Scott.  So what's your opinion on this one?:

(http://hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/legend.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xnMQaSYXyt4/TcGHvpbAUlI/AAAAAAAAAj8/vMopWUoU6_g/s1600/legend2.jpg)

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 22, 2011, 11:50:16 pm
nice one there brian.  first of all, let me express good christmas tidings to you and your family.  i'm sure you celebrate in style.  legend . . . ah . . . such a film.  i grew up on that film.  like a little nerdling obsessed with dungeons and dragons and all things fantasy related.  what a work of art that film was.  of course, fuck head tom cruise tried to ruin it with his horrible character, and god anybody else would have been better, but who cares about him, for he cannot ruin what legend is as fodder for creative minds everywhere.  it can frustrate one into actually believing what you are seeing could be real but you cannot achieve it, if one is naive enough . . . and that is the magic of film when it is done correct.  like kubrick's barry lyndon.  but back to legend.  i mean, are you kidding me.  billy barty and cork hubbert as the loveable little people and that super sexy oona pixie flying around being all tart like.  mia sara i could give or take a rat's ass about, but if i was straight, i'm sure i would make rude comments about her breasts or something.  and who can not be blown away . . . yes i said blown away by tim currey as darkness.  yum yum, if you into getting raped by satan, not that i am or anything.  so there, brian.  yes, i love me some ridley scott, mister dreamy old man and his brilliant masterpiece film, legend.  whew, i need a drink after all that.  yes, a gin and tonic would be nice. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on December 24, 2011, 01:58:10 pm

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, too!  Safe travel.

I love that movie, too.  You've seen the 2 hour director's cut, right?  Not the 90 minute US version?

It could only have been improved if they had gone with a song by the cute boys in Duran Duran instead of some Roxy Music leftover:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEvK8bCYWHo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEvK8bCYWHo)

Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on December 24, 2011, 02:40:18 pm
It could only have been improved if they had gone with a song by the cute boys in Duran Duran instead of some Roxy Music leftover:

Oh, Hell no!!!

Roxy Music wins out with any song, in any era, in any form whatsoever.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on December 24, 2011, 03:19:16 pm
For any of you wackos that are interested in Voodoo Fest in New Orleans, Groupon is having a sale.
Three day pass for $77.  The Voodoo website had it for $77 for a pre sale but then there was $20 in fees.  Not a shabby deal  ;D
http://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-voodoo-new-orleans?utm_medium=afl&utm_campaign=4485850&utm_source=rvs
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Brian_Wallace on December 26, 2011, 02:22:01 pm

Taking their music completely out of the equation, it never ceases to amaze me that the one individual of the orignial line-up that is deemed unworthy to tour with Van Halen is Michael Anthony.  I mean, that band has/had three or four of the biggest a-holes of the 20th century in it and they can't tour with MICHAEL ANTHONY!  This guy!:

(http://www.classicvanhalen.com/images/mikejackdaniels.jpg)

I can't even come up with another band analogy.  Can anyone?  Because even Ringo got stroppy at points and quit/threatened to quit, didn't he?  Adam Clayton?  No, I think they've had substance abuse problems with him...  I don't know.  How come this isn't in Psych textbooks under Projection and/or Transferrence?

No!  Wait a minute!  I got it!

http://www.theonion.com/articles/all-of-familys-neuroses-projected-onto-dog,403/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/all-of-familys-neuroses-projected-onto-dog,403/)


Brian
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on December 29, 2011, 07:13:28 pm
Not a recent announcement......but that Thurston Moore/Kurt Vile show at the Black Cat in Feb.  Worth going for the opener?  I'd stay for the headliner, of course, but is KV good enough live to justify the ticket?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 29, 2011, 08:06:16 pm
Not a recent announcement......but that Thurston Moore/Kurt Vile show at the Black Cat in Feb.  Worth going for the opener?  I'd stay for the headliner, of course, but is KV good enough live to justify the ticket?

I think that show is a great bill.. I mean for $16?!

Just haven't been around the Black Cat to pick up a ticket..probably will sell out before I have the chance..

I will add I saw Thurston Moore at the Cat around 1995 and it was a good show..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on December 30, 2011, 02:07:13 pm
Vile is definitely worth checking out.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on December 30, 2011, 02:15:16 pm
Thanks.  Gonna buy tix if I am in the area of BC tomorrow, as planned.

Late to the party but I do love his last album.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on December 30, 2011, 02:19:56 pm
Ill be there
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on January 12, 2012, 06:21:37 pm
Are the same people that bought tickets to that the same people that think Zooey Deschanel's tv show and Xmas album are good?

No.  I'm not from Portland so I really didn't see the humor in it.

Though I do love Zooey Deschanel's new show and the Xmas album was listened to quite often last month.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 13, 2012, 09:35:31 am
Smoke Ring for my Halo is up there as maybe my favorite album of 11'. F'n awesome...

The question is, is that Vile's whole band or a solo show?

At any rate, I'll be there!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on January 13, 2012, 04:23:08 pm
Tricky, tricky...Snow Patrol sale for Friday 4/6 barely cooled and 2nd show added.
Dang nab. Sethy / 930 / TF can I void my sale for 4/6 and purchase 4/7? I much prefer attending Sat. since I work late Friday's and downtown is a mess.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 19, 2012, 12:22:53 pm
Anybody have a guess as to whether M. Ward will be with a band or if it will be a solo show as were his 2011 shows?

http://pitchfork.com/news/42403-m-ward-going-solo-once-again/
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on January 19, 2012, 12:24:56 pm
Quote
And in the months ahead, he'll play a series of bare-bones solo dates-- just him and a guitar.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on January 19, 2012, 12:27:07 pm
he's asking for 2012...

Quote
And in the months ahead, he'll play a series of bare-bones solo dates-- just him and a guitar.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 19, 2012, 12:28:30 pm
Quote
And in the months ahead, he'll play a series of bare-bones solo dates-- just him and a guitar.

That quote is from 2011.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 19, 2012, 12:29:04 pm


The question is, is that Vile's whole band or a solo show?

 

Figured I'd ask this again?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 19, 2012, 12:53:35 pm
I realize that, that's why I'm asking about 2012.

Quote
And in the months ahead, he'll play a series of bare-bones solo dates-- just him and a guitar.

That quote is from 2011.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 19, 2012, 12:55:50 pm
I realize that, that's why I'm asking about 2012.

Quote
And in the months ahead, he'll play a series of bare-bones solo dates-- just him and a guitar.

That quote is from 2011.

I'm guessing band, but in general... would it make a difference?? Would you not see him if he was with a band vs. solo?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 19, 2012, 01:01:56 pm
For $28.50x2+babysitter costs, i'm more inclined to see him with a band than without.

I realize that, that's why I'm asking about 2012.

Quote
And in the months ahead, he'll play a series of bare-bones solo dates-- just him and a guitar.

That quote is from 2011.

I'm guessing band, but in general... would it make a difference?? Would you not see him if he was with a band vs. solo?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on January 19, 2012, 01:03:26 pm
doesn't say Kurt Vile & the Violators, so it's most likely solo.




The question is, is that Vile's whole band or a solo show?

 

Figured I'd ask this again?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 19, 2012, 01:10:46 pm
doesn't say Kurt Vile & the Violators, so it's most likely solo.




The question is, is that Vile's whole band or a solo show?

 

Figured I'd ask this again?

Shucks.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 19, 2012, 01:45:56 pm
I've seen Kurt Vile twice solo and twice with band and prefer solo. Velvet DNA Test Fest and Red Onion shows were both fantastic. First band show was a little shaky but they tightened up drastically and sounded much better the second time.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on January 19, 2012, 07:36:30 pm
I don't think you have to hang out with 20-somethings...If you lived here in your 20's you've heard at least one of these. Yet, just go out at happy hour or a show and you will hear similar commentary. Funny how the area hasn't changed much aside from the cupcake invasion. I think it's hilarious. And the guy looks like Justin Jones.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on January 19, 2012, 07:57:41 pm
nomeinporta - wrong thread? ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 19, 2012, 09:15:11 pm
nomeinporta - wrong thread? ;D

Phew! And here I was thinking that I was getting drunk off of your beer drinking post.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on January 20, 2012, 10:36:28 am
nomeinporta - wrong thread? ;D
Haha - yes! (I'm old, not-20-something!)
(http://www.punjabigraphics.com/images/11/cat-drinking-beer.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 21, 2012, 11:54:16 am
i don't know about you guys/girls . . . but i am seriously iced in.  time to finally break out a founders cbs.  cheers!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on January 21, 2012, 03:23:41 pm
i don't know about you guys/girls . . . but i am seriously iced in.  time to finally break out a founders cbs.  cheers!

noooooooooooooooooooooooo - wait for me!!!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hg62fz5WsDI/TwI35VdNXvI/AAAAAAAAZGE/ZuL3ZvW9AoQ/s1600/catleapfail2.gif)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DotTheEyes on January 22, 2012, 08:04:44 pm
Damn it: http://music.msn.com/florence/

I don't believe they've played the D.C. area since the 9:30 show where they open for the Temper Trap.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Stillwater on January 23, 2012, 01:03:29 am
There is only one show scheduled between May 3rd in New Orleans and May 11th in Connecticut. (May 8th- NY)

They can still add DC and Philly dates within that stretch, or at the end of the tour after Atlantic City on the way back south.

I bet she adds more dates once Bonnaroo gets announced...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 25, 2012, 09:47:05 am
Alcest
3/28
Golden West Cafe


This one has me torn. Wonder what sort of a mix will be in his set? Mostly new stuff, I would assume but also a bit leery for fear that it might be too evil demon sounding for all the bother it would take me to get there.

Weird how this guy's music either sounds like a gift from the gods or the shoegaze from Hell.

Have to go study our events calendar to see what the likelihood is that I can reasonably request a little bulk of time off to come up for the show.


Niege as a cat:
(The guy behind Alcest)

(http://www.esaba.com/cats/catimagessimple35/933307.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on January 25, 2012, 05:29:27 pm
If you do come down for the dc or Baltimore shows, let me know and I will go to the one you go to.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 26, 2012, 12:01:14 pm
silver spring was nice.

Did you stay for two nights?? Beers at the Quarry House?

yes.  no.  not a fan of bars anymore.  i don't need to pay the bartender's rent at a overpriced place filled with people who are assholes to strangers unless they are women and they think they can get into their pants.  fuck them.  i party with my friends pre/during/post.  we bring what we want, we have what we want. 

and you were right . . . the selection of beer at the fillmore was shit.  but say what you want about the place, to the average joe schmo person who might want to go see a concert . . . fillmore is a bettter all around venue.  not everybody is hardcore and doesn't care where the venue is, or how how dirty the venue appears because "this is rock n roll."  those days are gone.  the cbgb lifestyle is dead.  people want easy, people want nice, people want to "feel" safe.  sorry, that's the way it is. 

you wouldn't believe how many people i heard say the following:

"after coming to the fillmore . . . i don't think i'll see another show in dc, unless i have to."
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 26, 2012, 12:04:55 pm
silver spring was nice.

Did you stay for two nights?? Beers at the Quarry House?

yes.  no.  not a fan of bars anymore.  i don't need to pay the bartender's rent at a overpriced place filled with people who are assholes to strangers unless they are women and they think they can get into their pants.  fuck them.  i party with my friends pre/during/post.  we bring what we want, we have what we want. 

and you were right . . . the selection of beer at the fillmore was shit.  but say what you want about the place, to the average joe schmo person who might want to go see a concert . . . fillmore is a bettter all around venue.  not everybody is hardcore and doesn't care where the venue is, or how how dirty the venue appears because "this is rock n roll."  those days are gone.  the cbgb lifestyle is dead.  people want easy, people want nice, people want to "feel" safe.  sorry, that's the way it is. 

you wouldn't believe how many people i heard say the following:

"after coming to the fillmore . . . i don't think i'll see another show in dc, unless i have to."

So what did you do in Silver Spring for 48 hours?? You obviously had to have dined and drank somewhere during that time frame and it wasn't Chickfila!

I'm not arguing with the asthetics of the Fillmore, if only they would book decent acts I'd support it just like I do any other venue. Unfortunately when your calendar only has a dozen events on it and they're awful bands, I won't be dropping much money into their coin purse, partner.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 26, 2012, 12:06:20 pm
silver spring was nice.

so you didn't get mugged?  did you bring your gat?
 ;D

no.  no.

the part of town that the fillmore was in . . . i felt safe walking down the sidewalk all fucked up at three in the morning.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 26, 2012, 12:10:47 pm
if i told you what we did for two days . . . i would have to kill you.   ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 26, 2012, 12:31:33 pm
if i told you what we did for two days . . . i would have to kill you.   ;D

Hmmm....... Walkie did go to a couple of Widespread Panic shows. Maybe he took a side trip up to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore which could explain his rather pleasant mood today.

 Magic Mushrooms Could Treat Depression: The active ingredient in the trippy fungus could help users treat depression, anxiety and stress. (http://news.discovery.com/human/magic-mushrooms-depression-122301.html)

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Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 26, 2012, 12:33:58 pm
why thank you.  i feel . . . pleasant.   :D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 26, 2012, 03:58:27 pm
you guys should go befriend george takei on facebook.  i just did.  he's a hoot. 


can anybody tell, i have the day off after my two shows, yet?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 26, 2012, 04:14:14 pm
Day off from what? I though the 9:30 Board was your full time job.
 :P
you guys should go befriend george takei on facebook.  i just did.  he's a hoot. 


can anybody tell, i have the day off after my two shows, yet?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 26, 2012, 04:22:11 pm
god . . . i was waiting for that.  thanks james.  it couldn't have come from a better man.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 26, 2012, 04:44:21 pm

Golden West Cafe


What's this venue like?  Going to the Double Negative show in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on January 26, 2012, 05:07:21 pm

Golden West Cafe


What's this venue like?  Going to the Double Negative show in 2 weeks.
Had no idea about this show.  Awesome band.  They got a new singer recently.  My friend Kevin (KC) just quit...  Daydream Nation and their two Hardcore Confusion 7" are sweet.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 26, 2012, 05:40:25 pm
Yeah, I really want to catch them early on with their new singer.  They claim they will be able to tour a lot more than they used to now (and they weren't making a dig at KC or Brian).

Kevin was great.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on January 26, 2012, 05:50:17 pm
Yup, Kevin is a family man, 3 little kids at home. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 26, 2012, 07:34:25 pm
Only have been there a couple times for lunch. It is a small restaurant. I guess they take the tables out during shows?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 26, 2012, 08:49:23 pm
Alcest
3/28
Golden West Cafe


This one has me torn. Wonder what sort of a mix will be in his set? Mostly new stuff, I would assume but also a bit leery for fear that it might be too evil demon sounding for all the bother it would take me to get there.

Weird how this guy's music either sounds like a gift from the gods or the shoegaze from Hell.

Have to go study our events calendar to see what the likelihood is that I can reasonably request a little bulk of time off to come up for the show.


Niege as a cat:
(The guy behind Alcest)

(http://www.esaba.com/cats/catimagessimple35/933307.jpg)


I like his take on black metal. Sure, he screams but he clearly isn't going for the dark, satanic, demonic, etc. vibe with it at all (not that I can't get behind a good bit of that too). Musically, I think the heavy stuff is just as uplifting as the straightforward post-rocky/shoegazy stuff is.

I even read an interview not that long ago where he essentially said the same thing and expressed frustration and dismay with those who think he is trying to create a dark mood with the metal stuff. Listening to Le Secret right now and I honestly think it is pretty blissful.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 27, 2012, 10:50:42 am
Only have been there a couple times for lunch. It is a small restaurant. I guess they take the tables out during shows?


Any idea what the Long Bar is that they refer to on the website?  Separate room or the same room as the restaurant?

Only seen pics of the restaurant so it's kinda hard to imagine them having a band in there with the booths and stuff.  Would be kinda Iota-like, I guess?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: groovyside on January 27, 2012, 04:34:46 pm
Golden West is a restaurant during the day/evening and then they move all/most of the tables out from one side and have shows at night.  Shows typically start around 10 PM (so, yes, it can be a late night if you're driving up from DC and staying through the headliners).  They do still have the kitchen open, at least for a little while, when they have bands play, and they've got a good vegetarian/vegan selection (as well as meaty stuff for all you omnivores)-- just place your order at the bar.

It's a good space; I've seen a couple of shows there (Indian, Batillus, Thou, the Body).  Sound is usually pretty good.  No real "stage lights", so it's difficult to photograph without a flash, if you're into that.

For Alcest, though, I'll probably stick to the DC show since Auroboros (ex-Baroness/Salome) is opening here.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 27, 2012, 05:56:50 pm
Thanks for the info.  Will definitely be a long evening.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 30, 2012, 01:47:57 pm
no fucking way should cinderella be headlining over ratt.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on January 30, 2012, 06:42:48 pm
I remember when Mother's Milk by the RHCP came out, it was actually a pretty decent LP and I enjoyed some of it. Then again, I was 13 so there ya go. Wasn't much of a fan of BloodSugarSexMagik.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on January 30, 2012, 06:49:19 pm
I have seen the fuckers once at the first Vfest, they were ok.  Don't be surprised if Sethy books them for this years  ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Mobius on January 31, 2012, 12:32:02 am
RHCP became John Frusciante's band.  He's a genius and he brought out the best (and serious/spiritual) of Flea, and Chad Smith kept it real, like the drummer equivalent of VH Michael Anthony.  Kiedis was almost reduced to a sideman but always valuable in bringing the essential LA vibe at the heart of their whatever.  With Frusiciante gone, the muse is gone, and as was the case in 94-95, the operation would appear to crumble into pointlessness.





Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 31, 2012, 08:55:40 am
You have me beat!

Now that i piece together the distant past, I remember seeing them at my school in 1987 or early 1988. Thought they were fun live (no tube socks). Maybe I just enjoyed the close-as-I-was-going-to-get-to-an-orgy feeling of being in the mosh pit with my fellow sweaty college boys and girls. I went back and listened to Uplift Mofro Part Plan (from 1987) last night. And while I can't say it's something I would listen to now, and I can see why I liked it then (same goes for the Beastie Boys).

I saw them again in 1991 at a college hockey arena (with a then unknown Pearl Jam and a somewhat unknown Smashing Pumpkins opening), and was so unenthused I left half way through their (and SP, I arrived late and missed nearly all of PJ) set, stopped listening to "alternative" music altogether, and dove into Americana.

So thank you RHCP for opening the doors to where I am today!




Posted by Jaguar:

At the risk of sounding extra old; on my birthday, at that; me and the Shitty Peppers go way back to about 1982. They played a small club in Baltimore and even saw them not long afterwards on some late night show not long after that. I remember everyone saying how bad they were but couldn't stop talking about the strip down they were well known for. If I remember correctly, they were wearing Nazi regalia while onstage. They were pretty humble and scared teenagers off stage which is kind of funny when you think about it.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 31, 2012, 10:18:29 am
Saw them in Argentina in 2002 in the midst of the economic depression down there...only major band that wasn't just into it for the money and bailed. Keith famously said "the only way we could play here is as a charity case..ha ha..."..course as soon as things turned around the stones were back (2006)

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 31, 2012, 10:51:31 am
I saw them again in 1991 at a college hockey arena (with a then unknown Pearl Jam and a somewhat unknown Smashing Pumpkins opening)

the flannel must have been intense at this show
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 01, 2012, 01:39:37 pm
maybe it is just me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uee_mcxvrw&feature=g-logo&context=G2343ce6FOAAAAAAANAA

but they make the best videos right now.

oops .  . . . very much NSFW!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on February 06, 2012, 04:35:20 pm
So true about the Shins being the James Mercer Band. Not really sure who/what the Shins are anymore, but they've always been more miss than hit in concert anyway. I'll check out their records, but I'm done with them as a live band.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on April 19, 2012, 01:38:33 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/04/19/music-artists-turning-to-satanic-imagery-to-drum-up-controversy-sales-experts/?intcmp=features

god i love fox news.  we needed a new tipper to emerge.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Bombay Chutney on April 19, 2012, 04:37:56 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/04/19/music-artists-turning-to-satanic-imagery-to-drum-up-controversy-sales-experts/?intcmp=features

god i love fox news.  we needed a new tipper to emerge.

Speaking of Tipper.... Did anyone mention that she sat-in with Mickey the other night?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on April 19, 2012, 04:57:09 pm
saw her just as she was finished with the song and hugging mickey.  i was like "aww, i was dancing too much to pay attention to the stage."   ;D    still can't get over how awesome that show was!  there was one point where hart took the audience to outer space . . . and i swear it sounded as if the knife had sat in for the song.  incredible! 

plus the old rasputin beer in the tiny cups . . . was super cute.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on April 22, 2012, 03:42:26 pm
sticking this in here since more regulars visit this thread...anyone remember which (semi long time) boardie was looking for an Andrew Bird ticket? I recall a comment looking for three different show tickets - one being Andrew Bird. I think the person posted in Just Announced...I tried to search. Anyhow, mine is for sale (1) and I wanted to seek out a boardie before posting in x-change. (already posted in craigslist - face+fees). thx.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: imbecile on April 25, 2012, 09:19:09 am
Re:  Modest Mouse being boring live

Vas - I believe we had the same Modest Mouse progression.  I really liked them in college (97-00), but then realized they were horribly boring live and stopped seeing them.  Still listened to the music and liked it, but stopped going to see them live.  Then saw them open for REM and caught their last tour.  Maybe it was the influx of Johnny Marr or something, but they I thought they were actually pretty decent live now (or atleast they were - last club show was what March/April 2009??).  Remains to be seen how they'll be now that he's gone again and more years have gone by.

I get your point that they are inherently a rather boring live band, but from relatively-recent experience they're no longer too boring too go see.  At least i hope not.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: imbecile on April 26, 2012, 10:38:37 am
Modest Mouse tickets were an easy grab.

Congrats.  It sucked for me.

The captcha or whatever just wouldn't show up properly for me, then when they finally disabled it (because it was obviously having issues) everything was gone.  Good times.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on April 26, 2012, 10:49:43 am
whatever happened to that guy who sold posters, and posted on here.  i bought a few from him and thought they were awesome . . . and then i think something bizarro superman happened and he lurked away.  i ask because "eltee" reminded me of his name, but i can't think of that poster's name?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on April 26, 2012, 10:53:33 am
nkotb . . . i have friends who are "interested" in this news about the smiths.  iforone do not get the smiths, but my friends in question hero worship them.  they feel the story actually going as far as to be printed, even though it was pitchfork, and then to be strong enough to force mister marr to quickly deny, too much to handle.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on April 26, 2012, 10:59:23 am
whatever happened to that guy who sold posters, and posted on here.  i bought a few from him and thought they were awesome . . . and then i think something bizarro superman happened and he lurked away.  i ask because "eltee" reminded me of his name, but i can't think of that poster's name?


well, it was found out he was copying other people's designs... wasn't his name El Jefe?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on April 26, 2012, 11:00:37 am
nkotb . . . i have friends who are "interested" in this news about the smiths.  iforone do not get the smiths, but my friends in question hero worship them.  they feel the story actually going as far as to be printed, even though it was pitchfork, and then to be strong enough to force mister marr to quickly deny, too much to handle.

sometimes when these stories come out and are denied it just means they are in the negotiation phase with promoters.. that is, as I recall, how it happened with the Stone Roses....

I love the Smiths but can't get excited about this reunion for some reason.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on April 26, 2012, 11:08:38 am
nkotb . . . i have friends who are "interested" in this news about the smiths.  iforone do not get the smiths, but my friends in question hero worship them.  they feel the story actually going as far as to be printed, even though it was pitchfork, and then to be strong enough to force mister marr to quickly deny, too much to handle.

sometimes when these stories come out and are denied it just means they are in the negotiation phase with promoters.. that is, as I recall, how it happened with the Stone Roses....

I love the Smiths but can't get excited about this reunion for some reason.

are you crazy man?  this will be huge, get your mopey eyes ready  ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on April 26, 2012, 11:40:20 am
whatever happened to that guy who sold posters, and posted on here.  i bought a few from him and thought they were awesome . . . and then i think something bizarro superman happened and he lurked away.  i ask because "eltee" reminded me of his name, but i can't think of that poster's name?


well, it was found out he was copying other people's designs... wasn't his name El Jefe?
He is still around.
http://www.eljefedesign.com/
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on April 27, 2012, 03:50:48 pm
Rhett, re: Birchmere water - the last time I was there they had free pitchers of tap water on the tables.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on April 27, 2012, 03:52:03 pm
tap water.  good god man, are you crazy.  and i bet no lemons either.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on April 27, 2012, 03:55:02 pm
they have lemons, probably not organic*.
I said tap water for Rhett's benefit*, figuring there would be a comment if not stipulated.
(really hovering my comments this week walkon.. :o)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on April 27, 2012, 04:41:41 pm
(http://www.ajsgem.com/userfiles/Cat%20Eye.jpg)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfrhJCVy30
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on June 01, 2012, 11:49:18 am
i like this thread.

"Having seen dinosaur jr before lou barlow rejoined the band and j mascis solo I have to say the reunited dinosaur jr was 100 times worse."  - atomicfront  (sorry . . . i suck at copying and pasting in here and could not make it all pretty and real)


thank you.  one hundred percent.  nailed it.  j kicked their ass out of the fold the first time for a reason.  they suck.  with them, j has to pull the weight.  he does it out of the fact that he elevated himself after his ammachi awakening to a point of sharing.  its ok.  i appreciate.  j and fog ruled.  j solo ruled.  dinosaur's last two albums, damn right ruled.  j playing at the kennedy center . . . fucking ruled. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 04, 2012, 07:27:38 pm
before i attempt to clear off my lawn for the umpteeth time this year...

is it just me or are the artists/music that are rocketing up the charts these days just incredible lame.   these acts seemingly out of nowhere are suddenly headlining Merriweather.  I listen to the Gotye album on spotify and it's just sounds like a incredible lame 80s album and yet it's all the buzz apparently.  Is this the effect of American Idol and Glee?  Seriously Phil Collins solo output is more interesting this nonsense... Oh well dude must be cute or something....

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 04, 2012, 07:41:46 pm
before i attempt to clear off my lawn for the umpteeth time this year...

is it just me or are the artists/music that are rocketing up the charts these days just incredible lame.   these acts seemingly out of nowhere are suddenly headlining Merriweather.  I listen to the Gotye album on spotify and it's just sounds like a incredible lame 80s album and yet it's all the buzz apparently.  Is this the effect of American Idol and Glee?  Seriously Phil Collins solo output is more interesting this nonsense... Oh well dude must be cute or something....



It's because Ashton Kutcher likes him, and he's the boss of all mainstream pop culture.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on June 04, 2012, 11:43:51 pm
I've never heard his hit song.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on June 05, 2012, 08:57:33 am
No idea who he is or if he's a he.

Merriweather has nothing exciting this year.  sad.  I guess the Beach Boys?  eh.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 05, 2012, 09:48:34 am
Gotye is a guy and supposedly a drummer. The song features a xylophone hook. Single beater, with a gliss. Few things are as dorky.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on June 05, 2012, 10:16:13 am
Gotye is a guy and supposedly a drummer. The song features a xylophone hook. Single beater, with a gliss. Few things are as dorky.

oh, i know what's dorkier than a song with a xylophone hook: an online pundit who dissects xylophone hooks ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 05, 2012, 11:57:48 am
before i attempt to clear off my lawn for the umpteeth time this year...

is it just me or are the artists/music that are rocketing up the charts these days just incredible lame.   these acts seemingly out of nowhere are suddenly headlining Merriweather.  I listen to the Gotye album on spotify and it's just sounds like a incredible lame 80s album and yet it's all the buzz apparently.  Is this the effect of American Idol and Glee?  Seriously Phil Collins solo output is more interesting this nonsense... Oh well dude must be cute or something....




I like Goyte.  I also think Foster the People and Florence the Machine are concerts well worth attending.   As for Phil Collins his solo stuff wasn't bad it was his stuff with Genesis that was so awful.  Even more so when that other dude was the singer.  But I have to admit the rest of the Merriweather calendar isn't very exciting.   

If anyone cares Goldstar is selling discounted tickets to the Beach Boy and Scorpion shows.  Looks maybe around half price.  Guess those shows aren't selling well.  I would attend the Beach Boys show but alas I have an out of town bachelor party that day.   
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on June 05, 2012, 12:22:06 pm
 As for Phil Collins his solo stuff wasn't bad it was his stuff with Genesis that was so awful.  Even more so when that other dude was the singer. 

(http://catnday.com/media/photo/b_Cat_2709.jpg)

Well, we certainly wouldn't be competing for the same ticket stock.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 05, 2012, 04:13:14 pm
Gotye is a guy and supposedly a drummer. The song features a xylophone hook. Single beater, with a gliss. Few things are as dorky.

oh, i know what's dorkier than a song with a xylophone hook: an online pundit who dissects xylophone hooks ;D

Yep. If only the player had used beater pairs. He/she could have played chords and skipped the fucking glisses. Or played a marimba or vibe, both of which are way cooler.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on June 05, 2012, 04:19:43 pm
Gotye

He's pretty much the Edwyn Collins of his generation.  That's all you need  to know. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on June 05, 2012, 04:31:00 pm
Gotye is a guy and supposedly a drummer. The song features a xylophone hook. Single beater, with a gliss. Few things are as dorky.

oh, i know what's dorkier than a song with a xylophone hook: an online pundit who dissects xylophone hooks ;D

Yep. If only the player had used beater pairs. He/she could have played chords and skipped the fucking glisses. Or played a marimba or vibe, both of which are way cooler.

i look forward to meeting you in person some day, but if you ever start a "once, in bandcamp" story i am outta there.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 05, 2012, 04:43:28 pm
Gotye

He's pretty much the Edwyn Collins of his generation.  That's all you need  to know. 


That is quite a compliment.  As Edwyn Collins's band Orange Juice along with the band Aztec Camera basically created the indie rock genre. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on June 05, 2012, 04:48:36 pm
Gotye

He's pretty much the Edwyn Collins of his generation.  That's all you need  to know. 


That is quite a compliment.  As Edwyn Collins's band Orange Juice along with the band Aztec Camera basically created the indie rock genre. 

I don't know a thing about those bands...just that horrible girl like you song that was inescapable.

That said, to say that those bands or any bands created the indie rock genre is pretty hilarious.  Nice one!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on June 05, 2012, 04:55:06 pm
"A Girl Like You" was one of the best singles of the 90s, inescapable or otherwise.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on June 05, 2012, 05:13:09 pm
"A Girl Like You" was one of the best singles of the 90s, inescapable or otherwise.

It was annoying, to me, by virtue of it's prevalence.  But yeah, it was a good single.

"but I never met a girl like you before"
"you didn't have to cut me off"

These occupy the same space in my brain somehow.

Mostly I'm just talking shit.  I don't care, nor do I hate, on either of these two.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on June 06, 2012, 06:17:54 pm
Good one, hutch.  We must've been standing next to you with Mould at G-town.  I remember it clearly - him sitting there puffing away.  And inside when he plugged in my ears exploded.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on June 06, 2012, 06:20:17 pm
small world shemp!

also wanted to say Roger Moutenot who produced/s Yo La Tengo's stuff has done superlative work..those Yo La albums sound amazing. Not sure why his services aren't more in demand.. Alan Moulder parlayed his early work in the 90s into a solid gig including Nine Inch Nails.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on June 07, 2012, 10:12:26 am
what is the difference between "general admission" and "floor seating" at the patriot center? it says the floor is general admission with no seats, but they're two different price levels. is there any other "general admission" part of the venue?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on June 07, 2012, 10:26:35 am
what is the difference between "general admission" and "floor seating" at the patriot center? it says the floor is general admission with no seats, but they're two different price levels. is there any other "general admission" part of the venue?

Neil show is entirely GA on the floor, maybe there are seats or it's just an open floor, not sure?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on June 09, 2012, 06:28:31 am
For anyone conflicted about Bob Mould and the Mission of Burma shows, Bob should wrap up by 10:30 and you should have enough time to catch MOB. Both are doable.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on June 09, 2012, 10:48:57 am
That was what I was figuring. Blowoff is the second Saturday of each month.


Will be a nice swift jog to the BC though.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on June 09, 2012, 08:34:26 pm
Bob starts with Copper Blue. If you miss one or 2 encores of Bob's set, you'll easily be able to catch MOB. But it's a little weird that they're not on the same bill. There's a lot of overlap there.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on June 12, 2012, 10:45:45 am
Seth, thanks for the Afghan Whigs! Last time I saw them was at least 13 years ago. This will be fun.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 28, 2012, 10:23:35 am
Got My Jesus and Mary Chain tickets!!!! Saw them last in 1985 at the old 930 club.  They hadn't even released an album yet.  27 year gap in seeing band is a personal record. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Bombay Chutney on June 28, 2012, 12:11:47 pm
Am I the only one surprised that the JAMC show wasn't an instant sellout?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on June 28, 2012, 12:15:25 pm
None of the other dates are instant sellouts...in fact, none have sold out.

Am I the only one surprised that the JAMC show wasn't an instant sellout?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on June 28, 2012, 12:29:37 pm
RT @RubinReport: Only in America would so many overweight, diabetic people with heart disease be upset that they're gonna have healthcare.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on June 28, 2012, 12:41:21 pm
How many of the fucking morons whining about this fucking law that goes nowhere near far enough realize that it was written by the fucking Heritage Foundation in the 90's? How many of these fucking morons even know what the Heritage Foundation is?



Seriously Republicans, shut the fuck up and be grateful that Obama lacks the spine to push for a more civilized healthcare act akin to that of every other developed country in the world.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Got Haggis? on June 28, 2012, 01:12:01 pm
I read over what the healthcare bill does.  I see no problem with it.  I honestly think most people against it probably have no idea what it gives them and are just against it because it was introduced under Obama.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: imbecile on June 28, 2012, 01:32:09 pm
I read over what the healthcare bill does.  I see no problem with it.  I honestly think most people against it probably have no idea what it gives them and are just against it because it was introduced under Obama.

Exactly.

Honestly, who has a problem with getting health care?

The cost of it I could see being an issue, as I've seen projections going both ways.  We won't know until it's moving, at which point if it needs fixed, it'll get fixed.  It's the same process as any other law which was imperfect at the start and made better along the way.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on June 28, 2012, 01:38:28 pm
JAMC better not show up thinking that what everyone wants is to hear Munki it its entirety.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on June 28, 2012, 01:43:31 pm
How many of the fucking morons whining about this fucking law that goes nowhere near far enough realize that it was written by the fucking Heritage Foundation in the 90's? How many of these fucking morons even know what the Heritage Foundation is?
Or how many Republicans know that in 2006  Mitt Romney himself signed off on a law in Massachusetts requiring individuals in that state to purchase health insurance. Can't wait to hear him talk his way out of that on during the debates!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on June 28, 2012, 01:44:59 pm
Am I the only shoegaze fan who doesnt really like JAMC or My Bloody Valentine?  Blasphemy, i know, I just prefer the new wave of shoegaze bands currently making noise.   
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 28, 2012, 01:46:22 pm
Am I the only shoegaze fan who doesnt really like JAMC or My Bloody Valentine?  Blasphemy, i know, I just prefer the new wave of shoegaze bands currently making noise.   

Jesus and Mary Chain isn't shoegaze. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 28, 2012, 01:47:39 pm
I read over what the healthcare bill does.  I see no problem with it.  I honestly think most people against it probably have no idea what it gives them and are just against it because it was introduced under Obama.

Exactly.

Honestly, who has a problem with getting health care?

The cost of it I could see being an issue, as I've seen projections going both ways.  We won't know until it's moving, at which point if it needs fixed, it'll get fixed.  It's the same process as any other law which was imperfect at the start and made better along the way.


why is this in this thread?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on June 28, 2012, 01:48:03 pm
I didnt say they were.  i said, am i the only shoegaze fan who doesnt like them.  They make noisy rock and roll which most shoegaze fans seem to enjoy.

Edit: OK I see where my post was a bit misleading.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on June 28, 2012, 01:49:59 pm
I didnt say they were.  i said, am i the only shoegaze fan who doesnt like them.  They make noisy rock and roll which most shoegaze fans seem to enjoy.
Lot's of their stuff isn't noisy at all, starting with Darklands.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on June 28, 2012, 01:54:53 pm
My point is I would rather watch the Reids (Screen Vinyl Image) over the Reids (JAMC). It doesnt matter what genre you put them in, or what style they played on what albums.  I have them all, and outside of a couple of tracks, when JAMC comes up on shuffle, I press skip.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 28, 2012, 01:57:10 pm
I didnt say they were.  i said, am i the only shoegaze fan who doesnt like them.  They make noisy rock and roll which most shoegaze fans seem to enjoy.

Shoegaze was created to group bands like Ride, Chapterhouse, and Lush in the UK scene in the early 90's.  Though Lush's later albums left shoegaze and became more pop oriented.  I found the music dreadfully boring.  Jesus and Mary Chain really has no relation to any of those bands.  More of garage rock band with feedback.  

The name shoegaze came from all the bands having their heads down when playing.  I don't know the new shoegaze bands are.  Perhaps earlier M83?  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on June 28, 2012, 01:57:36 pm
Psychocandy has been my #1 album for ~20 years now. It will not be replaced.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 28, 2012, 01:59:28 pm
My point is I would rather watch the Reids (Screen Vinyl Image) over the Reids (JAMC). It doesnt matter what genre you put them in, or what style they played on what albums.  I have them all, and outside of a couple of tracks, when JAMC comes up on shuffle, I press skip.

Funny I saw Screen Vinyl Image open up for the Thrushes.  And I wouldn't conisder Screen Vinyl Image shoegazing but the Thrushes definetly are or were when I saw them back in 2009
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 28, 2012, 02:00:09 pm
Psychocandy has been my #1 album for ~20 years now. It will not be replaced.

My favorite would be Screamadilica.   Our favorite albums have a common band member. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on June 28, 2012, 02:00:16 pm
Screen Vinyl Image, Ceremony, Ringo Deathstarr, Thrushes, Whirr, Bloody Knives, Soundpool, Voices, Tears Run Rings, Dead Leaf Echo, Fleeting Joys...

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on June 28, 2012, 02:00:32 pm
Really on the fence over whether to see JSBX. With fees, tix will prob be $30 each, which isn't horrific but after JAMC's $45, I'm less enthusiastic about dropping more than I usually spend.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on June 28, 2012, 02:00:50 pm
My point is I would rather watch the Reids (Screen Vinyl Image) over the Reids (JAMC). It doesnt matter what genre you put them in, or what style they played on what albums.  I have them all, and outside of a couple of tracks, when JAMC comes up on shuffle, I press skip.

Funny I saw Screen Vinyl Image open up for the Thrushes.  And I wouldn't conisder Screen Vinyl Image shoegazing but the Thrushes definetly are or were when I saw them back in 2009
Im pretty sure they self identify as shoegaze.


http://www.facebook.com/screenvinylimagepage/info
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Biography
Electronic Psychedelic Shoegaze from Virginia

I would defer to Jag though, the resident expert in shoegaze.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 28, 2012, 02:06:19 pm
My point is I would rather watch the Reids (Screen Vinyl Image) over the Reids (JAMC). It doesnt matter what genre you put them in, or what style they played on what albums.  I have them all, and outside of a couple of tracks, when JAMC comes up on shuffle, I press skip.

Funny I saw Screen Vinyl Image open up for the Thrushes.  And I wouldn't conisder Screen Vinyl Image shoegazing but the Thrushes definetly are or were when I saw them back in 2009
Im pretty sure they self identify as shoegaze.


http://www.facebook.com/screenvinylimagepage/info
Quote
Biography
Electronic Psychedelic Shoegaze from Virginia

I would defer to Jag though, the resident expert in shoegaze.

I thought of them as Psychedelic.   Perhaps that is why I like them better than the bands who are just classified as shoegaze.  They added  something better to it. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on June 28, 2012, 02:15:29 pm
u can buy them at the box office...I believe it is $22 + $1 charge.

Really on the fence over whether to see JSBX. With fees, tix will prob be $30 each, which isn't horrific but after JAMC's $45, I'm less enthusiastic about dropping more than I usually spend.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on June 28, 2012, 02:17:51 pm
Okay, that helps a little.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on June 28, 2012, 02:51:24 pm
I was following you (though I love both MBV and the JAMC) until The Fleeting Joys were thrown into the mix. They're little more than an MBV tribute band that doesn't play MBV originals which is not a knock on them at all. They are the closest sounding thing possible to MBV, though.
Screen Vinyl Image, Ceremony, Ringo Deathstarr, Thrushes, Whirr, Bloody Knives, Soundpool, Voices, Tears Run Rings, Dead Leaf Echo, Fleeting Joys...


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on June 28, 2012, 02:55:09 pm
You should be OK if the 2007 tour is any indication. Coachella was more or less a "greatest hits" set.

JAMC better not show up thinking that what everyone wants is to hear Munki it its entirety.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on June 28, 2012, 03:10:28 pm
For me, a greatest hits set would be all of Psychocandy and Darklands and that's it, no encore.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on June 28, 2012, 03:18:06 pm
For me, a greatest hits set would be all of Psychocandy and Darklands and that's it, no encore.


Throw in Head On as the encore..


The Jesus and the Mary Chain is one of the greatest bands there has ever been... I can't wait.

The issue is will the Reid brothers make it to the 930? THe schedule looks brutal including I think four nights in a row before the night of the 930 show!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 28, 2012, 03:25:13 pm
recent set lists:

1.Snakedriver 
2.Head On 
3.Far Gone and Out 
4.Between Planets 
5.Blues From a Gun 
6.Teenage Lust 
7.Sidewalking 
8.Cracking Up 
9.All Things Must Pass 
10.Some Candy Talking 
11.Happy When It Rains 
12.Halfway to Crazy 
13.Just Like Honey 
14.Reverence 
Encore:
15.The Hardest Walk 
16.Taste Of Cindy 
17.Never Understand
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on June 28, 2012, 03:29:52 pm
hmmmmm
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on June 28, 2012, 03:34:00 pm
I mean, You Trip Me Up was a damn single, how do they leave that off?
And I guess Something Wrong isn't a huge hit, but its the best song.
As is My Little Underground and In a Hole and Living End.
Look, I'll agree that Barbed Wire Kisses is their 3rd best album but come on, that's too much.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on June 28, 2012, 11:31:19 pm
I mean, You Trip Me Up was a damn single, how do they leave that off?
And I guess Something Wrong isn't a huge hit, but its the best song.
As is My Little Underground and In a Hole and Living End.
Look, I'll agree that Barbed Wire Kisses is their 3rd best album but come on, that's too much.


so they should just play all singles? I think they had a ton of singles!!!!!!


Seeing how the set list has Just like honey, head on, and the hardest walk i'd be happy with it..

really i don't care what they play though... can't believe i'll finally get to see them live (assuming they make it.. i'm real worried about that...).. spinning the just like honey original US lp right now.. so so great....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on June 29, 2012, 04:34:01 pm
On the topic of the healthcare act: http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/06/29/just-a-humble-tradesman-trapped-in-a-world-he-never-made/

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on June 29, 2012, 04:36:37 pm
On the topic of the healthcare act: http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/06/29/just-a-humble-tradesman-trapped-in-a-world-he-never-made/



Still the wrong thread.  Why doesn't someone start a various random thoughts thread?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Got Haggis? on July 03, 2012, 09:43:02 am
regarding the upcoming Swans tour:

"for some reason we are going to do this song (coward) on upcoming tours. we're rehearsing it, changing it (of course), and it's sounding good... also new material from new album will be played, as well as new as yet unrecorded material... no other old swans songs except coward."
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on July 03, 2012, 12:10:21 pm
That's fine with me. The new stuff holds up great live and you can't blame the guy for wanting to move on and focus on it almost exclusively.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on July 03, 2012, 12:26:45 pm
I only got into them recently and still have only heard "My Father Will Guide Me up a Rope to the Sky".  So, what other albums are must haves?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on July 03, 2012, 12:29:22 pm
I'd start with White Light from the Mouth of Infinity and Love of Life.
Then Soundtracks for the Blind. Then work my way back through the 80's material.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: showlistdc on July 03, 2012, 12:47:05 pm
I only got into them recently and still have only heard "My Father Will Guide Me up a Rope to the Sky".  So, what other albums are must haves?
"Various Failures" is also a good entry point (and I don't usually recommend compilations/b-side collections, but this one is good).
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on July 03, 2012, 01:08:40 pm
Great Annihilator but I'd start with Various Failures if you're new to them.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on July 03, 2012, 01:38:16 pm
Sweet, Ill check those out later.  I dont know why I havent yet. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DotTheEyes on July 09, 2012, 07:15:18 pm
It's been said before on here, but it needs to be said again: it's seriously hilarious how anemic the Fillmore Silver Spring's schedule is.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 09, 2012, 08:59:09 pm
It really is unbelievably weak.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on July 10, 2012, 12:41:48 am
as a montgomery county resident, please remind me how many of my tax dollars went to subsidize this state-of-the-art performing arts facility, which was to attract the most cutting-edge and sought-after artists in order to provide superior entertainment options for the citizens of MoCo and generally serve the public interest?

yeah, thanks.  and yes, i WOULD like a public inquiry into this debacle - why thank you!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DotTheEyes on July 10, 2012, 02:54:05 am
Just relax and enjoy the Buckcherry show.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Bombay Chutney on July 10, 2012, 09:58:59 am
Are they selling tickets though?  The handful of shows I've been to there were all quite full, but I'll admit I have no idea who most of the bands on the schedule are.  I have no idea how well they draw.  I'm sure LN and the MoCo government don't care who's playing, as long as people are showing up and not causing riots.

I wonder if they're having a hard time getting better acts because of being outside of the city?  I've seen a few acts at Strathmore who made jokes about playing "Washington DC Area."
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on July 10, 2012, 10:30:30 am
Why would this be the case?

I wonder if they're having a hard time getting better acts because of being outside of the city? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: showlistdc on July 10, 2012, 10:36:57 am
re: Fillmore.  At the Opeth/Mastodon/Ghost show in May, they were handing out tickets to the Meshuggah/Baroness/Decapitated show a few weeks later.  Both shows were face value $25, and both shows felt pretty full, but I guess they were having trouble selling tickets to the second show.

Also, at Meshuggah, someone in the audience mentioned that they were handing out tickets to the Danzig show a few weeks later, but I didn't see that myself.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Bombay Chutney on July 10, 2012, 11:12:54 am
I imagine the first thing non-locals think when they hear that a show is in Silver Spring, MD is "Where the hell is that?"   Maybe acts think the draw is better  in a big city rather than a suburb they know nothing about?   I don't know - It was just a random thought.


Why would this be the case?

I wonder if they're having a hard time getting better acts because of being outside of the city? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on July 10, 2012, 11:19:15 am
Do acts that play spaces the size of the Fillmore and the 9:30 book their own shows?

Seth must just be offering free hotel rooms, hotter hookers, and better blow.

I imagine the first thing non-locals think when they hear that a show is in Silver Spring, MD is "Where the hell is that?"   Maybe acts think the draw is better  in a big city rather than a suburb they know nothing about?   I don't know - It was just a random thought.


Why would this be the case?

I wonder if they're having a hard time getting better acts because of being outside of the city? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on July 10, 2012, 11:22:08 am
My, how times have changed. Conor Oberst playing Live Nation shows.

FILLMORE SILVER SPRING
* Wednesday, 1 August 2012 - Static X, Prong, Davey Suicide, and 9Electric
* Friday, 31 August 2012 - August Burns Red, the Color Morale, and Overseer

WARNER THEATRE
* Thursday, 15 November 2012 - Conor Oberst (of Bright Eyes)

6th AND I
* Thursday, 27 September 2012 - Beth Orton
* Tuesday, 30 October 2012 - Xavier Rudd


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on July 10, 2012, 12:53:32 pm
 I highly doubt being outside the city is what is causing acts to not want to play there.  MPP gets bigger acts than either place so there goes that theory.

I am sure it is building relationships with booking agents,  amount of money bands get, potential to be promoted at bigger venues by IMP in the future.  And Live Nation not really knowing what they were doing.  Didn't live nation used to run Rams Head Live?  how did that work out? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on July 10, 2012, 12:56:03 pm
My, how times have changed. Conor Oberst playing Live Nation shows.

FILLMORE SILVER SPRING
* Wednesday, 1 August 2012 - Static X, Prong, Davey Suicide, and 9Electric
* Friday, 31 August 2012 - August Burns Red, the Color Morale, and Overseer

WARNER THEATRE
* Thursday, 15 November 2012 - Conor Oberst (of Bright Eyes)

6th AND I
* Thursday, 27 September 2012 - Beth Orton
* Tuesday, 30 October 2012 - Xavier Rudd



Well Warner theater is a nice venue.  I remember when IMP regularly booked bands there.  I think that was my favorite place to see a show in DC.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 10, 2012, 01:44:14 pm
Being out if the city was a concern back in the day. Or at least people claimed it was when I wrote a paper about it in college.

Who knows. I wish I could just laugh at the Fillmore but being a county taxpayer makes it tough.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on July 10, 2012, 09:02:42 pm
I don't think bands really care where they play.. they play for money... based on the acts the Fillmore is getting it seems like they're not paying much if at all...  a lot of those shows they are probably not paying anything.. I mean Nayas? I'm glad to see them playing a good sized venue but they are a small local latin rock/reggae band.

It doesn't seem like the FIllmore in Silver Spring is doing much differently from their venue in NYC (Irvign Plaza)... I notice that B52s andn Jesus and the Mary Chain are both playing Irving.. JAMC is actually playing two shows at 45 a ticket... It seems to me that they must have felt it was risky having them play the Fillmore and the 930 mus t have made them a better offer because somehow I don't think the Reid brothers care much about where they're playing although maybe they have fond memories of the 930 club? ....the show has not sold out I believe..B52s is at Wolftrap packaged with Squeeze.

Live Nation seems to have become rather risk averse.. they're just not booking much anywhere.. not at Jiffy Lube, not at the Warner and not at the Fillmore.. not at the Irving Plaza in NYC etc.


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 07, 2012, 12:30:18 pm
There must be something in the water, as it's been awhile since I've been excited by a number of upcoming shows at once.  Maybe some of my favorite bands all got together to ensure I left the house more often or something....

Anyways, excited for

Bigger Lovers in Philly
Saint Etienne
Ash
Sloan
Carl Craig
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 07, 2012, 12:33:06 pm
and several broken link CAPTCHs on the ticketsalternative site was really getting on my nerves today..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on September 07, 2012, 12:41:50 pm
You can catch a free Yo La Tengo show in Philly tomorrow before the Bigger Lovers show...

There must be something in the water, as it's been awhile since I've been excited by a number of upcoming shows at once.  Maybe some of my favorite bands all got together to ensure I left the house more often or something....

Anyways, excited for

Bigger Lovers in Philly
Saint Etienne
Ash
Sloan
Carl Craig
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: thatguy on September 08, 2012, 11:47:36 am
and frank turner before yo la tengo.  i'm leaving soon.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 08, 2012, 03:02:48 pm
Anyone know if Mumford and Sons gets played on WAMU?  It being one of the few stations that play bluegrass.

Mumford and Sons fans seem to have the same thin skin as Coldplay fans do....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 08, 2012, 04:35:06 pm
ewwww

I tried to purchase tickets at exactly at 10AM this morning for Mumford and Sons and entered the security code and it was maybe 20 seconds after 10 and I got no tickets are left message.   

ewww?  says the guy who liked on FB/entered a contest/begged for ani difranco tickets?!?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on November 08, 2012, 04:37:31 pm
ewwww

I tried to purchase tickets at exactly at 10AM this morning for Mumford and Sons and entered the security code and it was maybe 20 seconds after 10 and I got no tickets are left message.   

ewww?  says the guy who liked on FB/entered a contest/begged for ani difranco tickets?!?

Says the guy who's seen Muse twice
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 08, 2012, 04:42:13 pm
Man i just got called out by proxy.... Full Disclosure I've been known to listen to SexyBack  2 or 3 times in a row... so Mumford and Sons fans can carry on...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 08, 2012, 04:43:23 pm
ewwww

I tried to purchase tickets at exactly at 10AM this morning for Mumford and Sons and entered the security code and it was maybe 20 seconds after 10 and I got no tickets are left message.   

ewww?  says the guy who liked on FB/entered a contest/begged for ani difranco tickets?!?

Says the guy who's seen Muse twice

10 times here from what I can remember
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on November 08, 2012, 04:43:37 pm
Awwww snap!
ewwww

I tried to purchase tickets at exactly at 10AM this morning for Mumford and Sons and entered the security code and it was maybe 20 seconds after 10 and I got no tickets are left message.   

ewww?  says the guy who liked on FB/entered a contest/begged for ani difranco tickets?!?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on November 08, 2012, 04:44:33 pm
Awwwww snap!

ewwww

I tried to purchase tickets at exactly at 10AM this morning for Mumford and Sons and entered the security code and it was maybe 20 seconds after 10 and I got no tickets are left message.   

ewww?  says the guy who liked on FB/entered a contest/begged for ani difranco tickets?!?

Says the guy who's seen Muse twice
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on November 08, 2012, 04:46:27 pm
Awwww snap!

Awwwww snap!

ewwww

I tried to purchase tickets at exactly at 10AM this morning for Mumford and Sons and entered the security code and it was maybe 20 seconds after 10 and I got no tickets are left message.   

ewww?  says the guy who liked on FB/entered a contest/begged for ani difranco tickets?!?

Says the guy who's seen Muse twice

Snap two more times and you might have a song in there...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 08, 2012, 04:50:49 pm
Anyone know if Mumford and Sons gets played on WAMU?  It being one of the few stations that play bluegrass.

Mumford and Sons fans seem to have the same thin skin as Coldplay fans do....

I don't know but they get played on WTMD (Towson University station) quite a bit.

I love Coldplay.  And Muse.  

Perhaps people have thin skin about bands that they know others love and whom put out great album after great album (well maybe the last Muse album wasn't all that good) and you have people insult their taste because they read some dumb review on pitchfork that put the album down.  They actually think they are smarter than someone else because of the music they like.  

If you don't like Coldplay that is fine but they put out awesome albums with fine pop songs on them.  And put on wonderful live shows.  And then you have bands  like Radiohead who haven't put out a decent song in 10 years and put on dreadfully boring live shows and the same people kiss their azz from here to next week.  



Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 08, 2012, 06:16:57 pm
arguements such as these are why i come in here

i like coldplay . . . god i love coldplay.  chris is cute yes, but i like the drummer the best.  really.  but i love the dead kennedys too, and ween, and widespread panic and phish, and prince, and dinosaur, and jesus jones, and dylan, and rupaul.

the point being . . . who cares.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on November 08, 2012, 06:18:31 pm
I tried really hard to care, but realized my tastes can be called in to question too....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 08, 2012, 06:44:48 pm
I tried really hard to care, but realized my tastes can be called in to question too....

I think the whole thing is genetic in regards to what music you like.  I would say there aren't too many bands I have heard from Sweden or Iceland that I don't like.  And I love most Scotish Bands.  Music isn't literature.  It doesn't come down to intelligence. You just like what you like.

All this bullshit about this is cool and that is not is just nonsense.  Nothing you can say could ever convince me that Wilco is a better band than the Cocteau Twins.  Or that Kanye West is better than Coldplay.  Or Bob Dylan is better than the Supremes.  I am going to like what I like and I would certainly not ever feel embarrassed about what i like.  

And pitchfork giving scores of 2's, 3's and 4's to bands like Coldplay, Muse, and Mumford and Sons is comical.  And just makes them  look like idiots.  A 2 out of 10?  Please.  They are singing in tune and writing their own songs.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 08, 2012, 09:06:39 pm
Its fine to like what you like..but if others are also free to like what they like why do you call it crap?

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 11, 2012, 01:48:56 pm
Does Perry Farrell have even close to a similar voice left? Is Eric Avery a part of the band? Have they put out anything remotely decent in the past 20 years?

The answer to these questions is no.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 11, 2012, 02:06:56 pm
Eric Avery

The more garbage they put out, the more I realize how important Avery was to the band.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on November 11, 2012, 02:30:25 pm
Didn't Seth say once that he gets bands on their way up and on their way down? This is one of those down bands.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on November 11, 2012, 06:37:29 pm
Eric Avery

The more garbage they put out, the more I realize how important Avery was to the band.

Yeah, I can't think of any other band who nosedived so completely when the bassist departed.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Got Haggis? on November 11, 2012, 09:14:21 pm
Saw Janes Addiction when they played Baltimore. They were great and played mostly old stuff.  Maybe only 1 or 2 newer songs.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 12, 2012, 12:35:35 am
Eric Avery

The more garbage they put out, the more I realize how important Avery was to the band.

Porno for Pyros put out two great albums.  It is not like how Avery left the band one day and the band output sufffered the next.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 12, 2012, 09:24:10 am
yeah . . . but they sold out so quickly.  people are always right.  sold out shows equal great music.  and seeing how nine thirty is number one, jane's addiction is doing just fine.  plus that lollapalooza thing.  everybody loves perry now because of that.  he has those heels to fall back on every time.  think of the kids who have never even seen 'soul kiss' on vhs.  eric who?  who?  bands can't move on without a bass player.  metallica anybody.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on November 12, 2012, 10:08:22 am
Metallica had, by a mile, their biggest album after losing their original bass player. You really do just pull these rants out of your ass don't you.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 10:22:12 am
well let us at least agree that Jane's is no Mumford....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 12, 2012, 10:23:28 am
what about bon jovi.  they lost their bass player too.  look at them.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 12, 2012, 10:24:52 am
Metallica had, by a mile, their biggest album after losing their original bass player. You really do just pull these rants out of your ass don't you.


i bet you are a furry ball of snuggle.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 10:35:08 am
I don't think the Metallica analogy is a good one...sorry to be a stickler..


After Burton died the album released was ...and justice for all which did well but by no means would be considered to have been much bigger than Master of Puppets.. it kept he slow and steady climb but it was no huge breakout... the NEXT album was the huge breakout... there is no doubt in anybody's mind that had Cliff Burton lived things would have been even bigger.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 12, 2012, 10:38:02 am
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hcKnZwd4mug/TVLqBbVqcDI/AAAAAAAACy0/l7kx_sn_9Tg/s1600/bored.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 10:54:32 am
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hcKnZwd4mug/TVLqBbVqcDI/AAAAAAAACy0/l7kx_sn_9Tg/s1600/bored.jpg)

oh no! sorry..

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on November 12, 2012, 11:41:17 am
Cliff living would not have made them bigger. They sold 15+ million copies of the Black album in the US and around 30 million worldwide. For a heavy metal band, which they were at the time, that is the ceiling. So no, Metallica is not a good example of a band that went to pot after their bass player left.

Here's a thought -- Jane's Addiction is actually a very good example of a band that nosedived after its bass player left.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 11:46:29 am
Cliff living would not have made them bigger. They sold 15+ million copies of the Black album in the US and around 30 million worldwide. For a heavy metal band, which they were at the time, that is the ceiling. So no, Metallica is not a good example of a band that went to pot after their bass player left.

Here's a thought -- Jane's Addiction is actually a very good example of a band that nosedived after its bass player left.


well not to argue for the sake of argument  ;D ;D ;D ;Dbut just because the Black Album sold 15 million copies doesn't mean it was their best album , no? unless we're applying atomicfront's mumford rule...

I mean I'll take their stuff up to ..and justice for all (which Newsted played on I admit but on which cliff had some influence) any day of the week over what came after...

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 12:05:02 pm
but yeah I grudgingly stand corrected Relaxer..  ;D

impossible to see how they could have gotten "bigger" than the black album


better yes.. more creative yes.. but commercially bigger.. no
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 12, 2012, 12:59:15 pm
Cliff living would not have made them bigger. They sold 15+ million copies of the Black album in the US and around 30 million worldwide. For a heavy metal band, which they were at the time, that is the ceiling. So no, Metallica is not a good example of a band that went to pot after their bass player left.

Here's a thought -- Jane's Addiction is actually a very good example of a band that nosedived after its bass player left.


well not to argue for the sake of argument  ;D ;D ;D ;Dbut just because the Black Album sold 15 million copies doesn't mean it was their best album , no? unless we're applying atomicfront's mumford rule...

I mean I'll take their stuff up to ..and justice for all (which Newsted played on I admit but on which cliff had some influence) any day of the week over what came after...



Black album is their only decent album.  As for why it was so good. I saw a show about and the producer made them do each part over and over and over again until they got it right. I think they were in the studio for a year. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 12, 2012, 01:00:35 pm
How about Smashing Pumpkins?  They have sucked since their bass player left.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 01:17:48 pm
well the best examples might be

The Ramones after Dee Dee left and the Sex Pistols after Glen Matlock left..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 12, 2012, 01:19:34 pm
well the best examples might be

The Ramones after Dee Dee left and the Sex Pistols after Glen Matlock left..

Well even after Glen Matlock left he still played on their album.  I don't think they recorded anything with Sid on Bass. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 12, 2012, 01:21:59 pm
have fun with the sound at that basketball arena!

it'll sound echoey and cavernous... yeah, no way that'll work for sigur ros ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 12, 2012, 01:39:47 pm
Like whales have harmonius sex
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 02:13:43 pm
Guided by Voices after Greg Demos left was never the same....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 02:58:50 pm
Can Sigur Ros scale mumfordian heights? This is the question I ask you.. guess we'll know based on how ticket sales go...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: moeszyslak on November 12, 2012, 03:30:20 pm
I don't think that Weezer put out anything great after Matt Sharp left.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 12, 2012, 03:33:57 pm
How about Rodger Waters? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 12, 2012, 03:38:35 pm
How about Rodger Waters? 

Who is Rodger Waters?

If you mean Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame I think he was still pretty good after he left Pink Floyd.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on November 12, 2012, 04:12:33 pm
Black album is their only decent album. 

Holy shit, why can't we have an 'ignore' or killfile option on this board?
You truly have the worst taste of any sentient being ever.
As in, Hutch and Walkonby have miles more credibility than you.
Thought about putting James Ford in that list but let's not get carried away here.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on November 12, 2012, 04:14:40 pm
Though I will admit that Roger Waters is a good answer. Floyd certainly didn't crash and burn like Jane's did, since Momentary Laps of Reason was a huge success, but they certainly went down several pegs.

That said, 'Final Cut', which featured Waters, shows that they were already in decline.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 12, 2012, 04:20:23 pm
Black album is their only decent album. 

Holy shit, why can't we have an 'ignore' or killfile option on this board?
You truly have the worst taste of any sentient being ever.
As in, Hutch and Walkonby have miles more credibility than you.
Thought about putting James Ford in that list but let's not get carried away here.

Well once again my opinion is held by the masses.  You might need to ignore everyone in the country.   
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 12, 2012, 04:21:44 pm
How about Rodger Waters? 

Who is Rodger Waters?

If you mean Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame I think he was still pretty good after he left Pink Floyd.

I am stating Pink Floyd weren't very good after he left.  But I am not the biggest Floyd fan in the world.  The wall was their last decent album but I don't know exactly when he left.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 12, 2012, 04:22:28 pm
Though I will admit that Roger Waters is a good answer. Floyd certainly didn't crash and burn like Jane's did, since Momentary Laps of Reason was a huge success, but they certainly went down several pegs.

That said, 'Final Cut', which featured Waters, shows that they were already in decline.

(http://www.uberwald-cat.com/Pictures/Females/shocking_eyes2.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on November 13, 2012, 03:17:46 pm
http://www.daytrotter.com/#!/concert/mumford-and-sons-and-friends/20056077-37383275 (http://www.daytrotter.com/#!/concert/mumford-and-sons-and-friends/20056077-37383275)
Since they seem to be such a hot commodity around these parts.
(http://i.imgur.com/GiWxb.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 13, 2012, 05:15:41 pm
I was listening to Sigur Ros last night before I fell asleep..

I am sorry but it is just not the kind of music one would want to hear at the Patriot Center with thousands of people there with you...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 13, 2012, 05:42:09 pm
I was listening to Sigur Ros last night before I fell asleep..

I am sorry but it is just not the kind of music one would want to hear at the Patriot Center with thousands of people there with you...

But jonsi is going to play his guitar with a violin bow, epic shit right there with bros yelling for more
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 13, 2012, 06:12:25 pm
I was listening to Sigur Ros last night before I fell asleep..

I am sorry but it is just not the kind of music one would want to hear at the Patriot Center with thousands of people there with you...

But jonsi is going to play his guitar with a violin bow, epic shit right there with bros yelling for more
 ;D

bros at sigur ros? world must be ending..

but seriously, your description sounds more like Page and Zeppelin!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 13, 2012, 06:30:00 pm
Haha Im kidding about the bros but hell you never know.  Either way I think it will be a good show
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 14, 2012, 09:19:31 am
So excited for Sigur Ros! Really wish it was a theater or smaller venue though.

I'm going for floor, because I'm not risking sitting in a section with casual fans just talking/on their cell phones for Sigur Ros. I figure the diehard fans will be on the floor.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 14, 2012, 10:42:24 am
So excited for Sigur Ros! Really wish it was a theater or smaller venue though.

I'm going for floor, because I'm not risking sitting in a section with casual fans just talking/on their cell phones for Sigur Ros. I figure the diehard fans will be on the floor.


Looks like they are only using half the venue for the show.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 14, 2012, 11:04:16 am
So excited for Sigur Ros! Really wish it was a theater or smaller venue though.

I'm going for floor, because I'm not risking sitting in a section with casual fans just talking/on their cell phones for Sigur Ros. I figure the diehard fans will be on the floor.


Looks like they are only using half the venue for the show.


oh goodie... one show in a shithole venue in bumfuck instead of two shows in a nice theater..
but hey we got to sell those microwave ovens...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 14, 2012, 11:09:18 am
I can't pull anything in the presale right now for Sigur Ros. It's on TM right? Anyone else having luck?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Arthwys on November 14, 2012, 11:09:37 am
Just snagged 3 tickets in section 103 row AA.  Not too shabby!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Arthwys on November 14, 2012, 11:12:50 am
Betao,

I just tried again and was still able to pull up seats, have you put in the password that was emailed by Sigur Ros last night?  This is a different pre-sale than the one advertised on the club email blast.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Got Haggis? on November 14, 2012, 11:17:39 am
i'm not able to pull up any either

didn't help that the captcha was unreadable 3 times

edit: i just tried again and was able to pull up seats

double edit: can't justify $70 to see them though
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jesse on November 14, 2012, 11:19:48 am
I got tickets in section 108 at 10:05.

The first 5 minutes prior were spent trying to successfully enter at least 10 different reCaptcha codes. I was not happy about that but i'm glad i was finally able to get tickets.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 14, 2012, 11:20:41 am
i'm not able to pull up any either

didn't help that the captcha was unreadable 3 times

edit: i just tried again and was able to pull up seats

the new captcha is ridiculous. is there some program to make them readable or something?

it is going to make it impossible for good folk to get good seats.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Staralfur25 on November 14, 2012, 11:25:44 am
wahhhhh i cant get tickets.  perhaps tomorrow.   :'(
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 14, 2012, 11:27:45 am
i can't get any tickets still either. i'm using the right code, i know that.

oh well. i'll keep trying, guess i'll have to try my luck in the club's presale.

didn't think i'd have to go through this for Sigur Ros.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 14, 2012, 11:51:07 am
I was going for VA and NYC.  I got a floor for VA but couldn't get anything for NYC.  I was able to pull 105 and 107 just a few minutes ago but wanted floor.  Will try again tomorrow.  Geez louise what is up with those captchas.  They have like apartment numbers now from a distance.
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on November 14, 2012, 11:59:25 am
Last show I saw was when they had the spinning wheel to pick their first set. I ended up leaving before the "main" set because I couldn't handle the 45 minute "break". At least I didn't get stuck having to watch them do the Seinfeld skit. YLT is hit and miss for me. Saw them in 1996 around "Electropura" and it was one of the best concerts I'd ever seen. And then I've seen them a couple times where it was just very off, like the time I saw them at Sonar. But I'm going to try to make it to this one.

Yo La Tengo
2-15



after waaaaaaaaaaaaayyy too long I hope to catch this.. last show I saw was them on their acoustic seated show for and then nothing turned... or what have you... I was not impressed with that show but dont know how I could have gone over a decade not seeing them
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 14, 2012, 12:05:22 pm
I got no tickets!!!!  Even though  was in at 10:00 exactly again.  And tried until 10:05.  2 more days of trying  I suppose. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eros on November 14, 2012, 01:15:10 pm
Got 2 floors.  Guess I was lucky (for once).
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 14, 2012, 05:57:43 pm
My most vivid YLT show memory was seeing them in Cologne Germany the night Dave Gahan from Depeche Mode tried to commit suicide, and hearing Ira make a joke about it.

Of course, I could have heard it wrong, he wasn't speaking the native language.

Yo La Tengo
2-15



after waaaaaaaaaaaaayyy too long I hope to catch this.. last show I saw was them on their acoustic seated show for and then nothing turned... or what have you... I was not impressed with that show but dont know how I could have gone over a decade not seeing them

well Ira can be pretty sarcastic..but I'm not following you... He was speaking german?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 15, 2012, 11:04:45 am
still cant get any floors for Sigur Ros.

pulled seats, but i'm only settling for floors.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on November 15, 2012, 11:07:16 am
was that a presale?

try tomorrow during regular sale.


still cant get any floors for Sigur Ros.

pulled seats, but i'm only settling for floors.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 15, 2012, 11:10:33 am
still cant get any floors for Sigur Ros.

pulled seats, but i'm only settling for floors.

I got seats.  5th row on the side.  I don't know what the best seats are for this arena.  I didn't want GA tickets so I am pretty happy with the selection. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 15, 2012, 11:10:57 am
was that a presale?

try tomorrow during regular sale.


still cant get any floors for Sigur Ros.

pulled seats, but i'm only settling for floors.

It was the second pre-sale.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 15, 2012, 11:13:25 am
it was the IMP presale. regular onsale is tomorrow 10am.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 15, 2012, 11:18:29 am
Does anyone know if the Magnetic Fields are playing the same songs as they did at their tour earlier this year?  If they are playing different songs than the ones they played at the 930 club earlier this year  I would want to go to the show this weekend. Otherwise I would pass.

Setlist.fm has not set-lists up for the fall tour.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 15, 2012, 11:25:56 am
Does anyone know if the Magnetic Fields are playing the same songs as they did at their tour earlier this year?  If they are playing different songs than the ones they played at the 930 club earlier this year  I would want to go to the show this weekend. Otherwise I would pass.

Setlist.fm has not set-lists up for the fall tour.



I found a setlist.  Same songs in the same order is there April show at the 930 club.  Lame.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Staralfur25 on November 15, 2012, 11:27:53 am
happy that i got tickets. bummed that they are way in the back. womp womp.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Darth Ed on November 15, 2012, 12:40:38 pm
Ugh, I loaded up the Ticketmaster page a few seconds after 10:00am, entered the IMP presale password, and it tells me the password is wrong. I ended up entering the IMP presale password into the Fan Club presale input box 3 times before I realized it was the wrong box. I didn't realize it was the wrong box at first because the IMP presale inputs didn't show up on the web page until I reloaded after my third attempt. That sucked. Pulled up a seat in section 109, but I didn't want that section. I tried like 5 or 6 more times and kept getting the same damn seat. I wish Ticketmaster wouldn't do that. If I release a seat, I clearly want a different seat; stop giving me the same one over and over again. Finally pulled up row B in section 102 and settled for that. I really wanted either sections 101 or 116 or floor.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 15, 2012, 01:20:58 pm
Ugh, I loaded up the Ticketmaster page a few seconds after 10:00am, entered the IMP presale password, and it tells me the password is wrong. I ended up entering the IMP presale password into the Fan Club presale input box 3 times before I realized it was the wrong box. I didn't realize it was the wrong box at first because the IMP presale inputs didn't show up on the web page until I reloaded after my third attempt. That sucked. Pulled up a seat in section 109, but I didn't want that section. I tried like 5 or 6 more times and kept getting the same damn seat. I wish Ticketmaster wouldn't do that. If I release a seat, I clearly want a different seat; stop giving me the same one over and over again. Finally pulled up row B in section 102 and settled for that. I really wanted either sections 101 or 116 or floor.

I am not sure about all the seats here but wouldn't 109 be better than 101 or 116?  I would think that the view would be at a severe angle.  And certainly 102 should be better than 101? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Darth Ed on November 15, 2012, 02:59:35 pm
I am not sure about all the seats here but wouldn't 109 be better than 101 or 116?  I would think that the view would be at a severe angle.  And certainly 102 should be better than 101? 

Have you been to the Patriot Center before? Just curious.

Yes, the angle is "severe", but 101 and 116 are right next to the stage. The front row of 101 is like 10 feet from the stage. In my experience, the view is better there than most of the floor, except in the very front. I just saw Peter Gabriel at the Patriot Center, and I was in row B of the section right next to the stage, and the view was fantastic and a lot cheaper than the floor seats, most of which were over twice as far from the stage than me.

To each his/her own, but I'd rather be closer than be worried about the angle.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 15, 2012, 03:08:34 pm
I am not sure about all the seats here but wouldn't 109 be better than 101 or 116?  I would think that the view would be at a severe angle.  And certainly 102 should be better than 101? 

Have you been to the Patriot Center before? Just curious.

Yes, the angle is "severe", but 101 and 116 are right next to the stage. The front row of 101 is like 10 feet from the stage. In my experience, the view is better there than most of the floor, except in the very front. I just saw Peter Gabriel at the Patriot Center, and I was in row B of the section right next to the stage, and the view was fantastic and a lot cheaper than the floor seats, most of which were over twice as far from the stage than me.

To each his/her own, but I'd rather be closer than be worried about the angle.

I haven't been there for a while.  I think the last show was the Cure back in the early 90's. And before that the Cult/Lenny Kravitz.  I don't really remember much about configuration that is why I asked.  I know I don't want to be on the floor as it is flat and I don't think that makes a good viewing experience. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 16, 2012, 10:28:04 am
Got my GA for NYC this morning for Sigur Ros.  Good luck all you fuckers still trying to get tickets for pat center.
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 16, 2012, 10:57:00 am
round 3 for attempting sigur ros tickets. here goes nothing!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Got Haggis? on November 16, 2012, 11:04:02 am
i pulled GA tickets

have 4 minutes left in cart..not sure if i am going to purchase...having a real hard time justifying $70
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 16, 2012, 11:06:11 am
buy them for me! - i will pay you back asap.

I had some but got timed out. i'm furious right now.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 16, 2012, 11:10:32 am
aaaand now I can't pull anything. I had 3 floor tickets, and got timed out during checkout.

Fuck you Ticketmaster.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Arthwys on November 16, 2012, 11:24:06 am
Betao,

I just pulled 2 seats, just to see if I could, already have my own tix.  As of 10:25 these tickets should be released back into circulation if you want to just keep clicking perhaps you'll get these.

Section K
Row K
Seats 2-3

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Arthwys on November 16, 2012, 11:26:12 am
Whoops, i meant Section 116
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 16, 2012, 11:27:32 am
i just pulled a floor who needs
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 16, 2012, 11:27:43 am
hurry up
 ;D

crap safari froze
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on November 16, 2012, 11:49:54 am
will be $15 on stubhub day of show.


double edit: can't justify $70 to see them though
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 16, 2012, 11:52:27 am
will be $15 on stubhub day of show.


double edit: can't justify $70 to see them though

cant buy tix on stubhub day of show as far as i know...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 16, 2012, 12:13:51 pm
15? No way, then again ive never looked on day of shows.   ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 16, 2012, 12:17:51 pm
15? No way, then again ive never looked on day of shows.   ;D

I've never seen tickets on stubhub go down that much for any show.... and they're not available a few days from show because of time it takes to ship and all that.. plus shipping adds like $10 to the cost..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on November 16, 2012, 12:31:46 pm
I've bought tix on stubhub the day of the event before.  Many of the tix are downloadable and for those that are not they set up offices near venue for pickup right before the show (at least at verizon). 

And prices go way down day of once the clock is ticking and inventory is not moving.  I got two tickets to take my daughter to see Justin Bieber the day of, and paid just a little over face for each ticket.

Best birthday present ever. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 16, 2012, 12:33:27 pm
It's possible on electronic tickets but yeah I always hear people saying they got dirt cheap tickets closer to show but never for me
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 16, 2012, 12:34:33 pm
The biebs
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 16, 2012, 12:54:16 pm
Bought tickets to Jeff Magnum 1 PM day of show. Fifth row at 30 bucks each.  If I lived in DC i would have waited longer. 

One of the things I hate about 930 club is they don't do electronic tickets so I can't wait right before the show and pick up cheap tickies. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on November 16, 2012, 01:02:27 pm
bought fiona apple tix for baltimore show for $15 day of show.....electronic ticket says $65?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 16, 2012, 01:04:30 pm
oh i hadnt thought of electronic tickets...that is interesting..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 16, 2012, 01:15:23 pm
I was only going for floor. I can't do seats for Sigur Ros.

Thanks for the offer for those that did!

I'll find a way to get tickets. Its just a waiting game with the secondary markets.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 16, 2012, 01:23:24 pm
Show still isn't sold out.  Sigur Ros are no Mumford and Sons evidently. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 16, 2012, 01:30:22 pm
Show still isn't sold out.  Sigur Ros are no Mumford and Sons evidently. 


But who is??
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 16, 2012, 02:15:49 pm
i need floor tickets. floor is sold out
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 16, 2012, 02:25:47 pm
i need floor tickets. floor is sold out

why do you need floor tickets?  I am sure if you are not in the first few rows of people your view is going to be much worse than people in seats. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 16, 2012, 02:42:04 pm
i need floor tickets. floor is sold out

i know, right?!?  it's a SIGUR-FUCKIN-ROS SHOW!!!!!!!  i need to get my mosh on.  how people can sit in seats is totally beyond me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 16, 2012, 02:47:17 pm
i need floor tickets. floor is sold out

i know, right?!?  it's a SIGUR-FUCKIN-ROS SHOW!!!!!!!  i need to get my mosh on.  how people can sit in seats is totally beyond me.

If people mosh at Sigur Ros they should  be banned from every attending a concert again in their life. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 16, 2012, 03:01:14 pm
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/154/7ab/1a9/resized/ilikewhere-meme-generator-i-like-where-this-thread-is-going-3c675a.jpg?1305219952.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 16, 2012, 03:39:29 pm
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/154/7ab/1a9/resized/ilikewhere-meme-generator-i-like-where-this-thread-is-going-3c675a.jpg?1305219952.jpg)

Into the hot tub? Doesn't seem like a bad place to go. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 16, 2012, 03:47:38 pm
gosh that would be nice.  at snowshoe.  after a long day of relearning snowboarding.  and beers.  lots of fine beers.  and guys with their shirts off.  yeah. 

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on November 16, 2012, 04:03:11 pm
They should actually supply couches at Sigur Ros shows... for all the snoozie songs!!!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on November 16, 2012, 04:39:24 pm
gosh that would be nice.  at snowshoe.  after a long day of relearning snowboarding.  and beers.  lots of fine beers.  and guys with their shirts off.  yeah. 



This thread is so 2011.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on November 16, 2012, 04:42:31 pm
i need floor tickets. floor is sold out

i know, right?!?  it's a SIGUR-FUCKIN-ROS SHOW!!!!!!!  i need to get my mosh on.  how people can sit in seats is totally beyond me.

If people mosh at Sigur Ros they should  be banned from every attending a concert again in their life. 

I'm going to crowd surf
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: betao on November 16, 2012, 06:01:42 pm
i need floor tickets. floor is sold out

why do you need floor tickets?  I am sure if you are not in the first few rows of people your view is going to be much worse than people in seats. 

I'm afraid of people talking wherever I may end up sitting. Any other band I'd tolerate that, but for Sigur Ros I can't. I have a special attachment to these guys.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on November 16, 2012, 06:15:59 pm
i need floor tickets. floor is sold out

i know, right?!?  it's a SIGUR-FUCKIN-ROS SHOW!!!!!!!  i need to get my mosh on.  how people can sit in seats is totally beyond me.

If people mosh at Sigur Ros they should  be banned from every attending a concert again in their life. 

eff you, crowd-nazi.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 17, 2012, 01:36:10 am
I ended up selling mumford and sons tickets and using money to buy tickets to Of Monsters and Men show in philly next weekend.  Figured the Valentines day show wouldn't go over that well.  Plus of Monsters and Men are better.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on November 17, 2012, 10:31:20 am
I ended up selling mumford and sons tickets and using money to buy tickets to Of Monsters and Men show in philly next weekend.  Figured the Valentines day show wouldn't go over that well.  Plus of Monsters and Men are better.


WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???????????
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: yohansen5b on November 19, 2012, 09:42:28 am
More Miami news. Tickets are $25-$50.

Thurston Moore Headlining KURT, a Multi-Discipline Exhibition, During Art Basel (http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/2012/11/kurt_cobain_thurston_moore_art_basel_miami_beach_gusman_theater_december_6_2012.php), featuring a "15-minute reinterpretation of Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video by bad boy Los Angeles choreographer Ryan Heffington, all set to an original soundtrack composed by Guy Blakeslee of L.A. indie band The Entrance. "
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 29, 2012, 12:17:16 pm
Do we think Tame Impala will sell out?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on November 29, 2012, 12:24:28 pm
yes. They were mediocre last time at the Black Cat. Nothing like their albums.

Do we think Tame Impala will sell out?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on November 29, 2012, 01:08:16 pm
yes. They were mediocre last time at the Black Cat. Nothing like their albums.

Do we think Tame Impala will sell out?

i was afraid that they might be a lame live show.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: imbecile on November 29, 2012, 01:18:53 pm
yes. They were mediocre last time at the Black Cat. Nothing like their albums.

Do we think Tame Impala will sell out?

i was afraid that they might be a lame live show.

Yeah, I'll second what Vas said.  Tame Impala was mediocre at best at the Black Cat (nothing particularly wrong with it; just nothing particularly good either).. I thought Yuck blew them away.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on November 29, 2012, 01:25:16 pm
I am not a fan of them on album at all.  Just curious as they seem to be hyped a lot this year.  I was wondering if they would be a big draw in that they had a lot of fans or were they just a hyped band. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 03, 2012, 12:38:21 pm
Nick Cave at the Strathmore? I am sure it'll still be a good show, but I wouldn't have picked that venue for them. They're such a great 9:30 band.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 03, 2012, 12:39:23 pm
Nick Cave at the Strathmore? I am sure it'll still be a good show, but I wouldn't have picked that venue for them. They're such a great 9:30 band.


yeah.. the fact that it is at the Strathmore makes me have little interest honestly..

I guess if I really love the album when it comes out.. but by then the show will be sold out?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on December 03, 2012, 12:42:23 pm
standing only GA is definitely the better way to experience their live show, I agree.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on December 03, 2012, 02:04:23 pm
And count me out at $75.

The club shows were $45!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 03, 2012, 02:06:19 pm
$75!!!!!!!!!!!!!??? for all the seats?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on December 03, 2012, 02:11:19 pm
According to Joe.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 03, 2012, 02:16:13 pm
that's fine by me.  There are few shows I would want to see anymore and Nick Cave is one of them..  Sound there is great.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Darth Ed on December 03, 2012, 04:39:04 pm
I'll go (to the Nick Cave show at the Stathmore) if I can get a good seat close to the stage, but I'll probably pass if I can't. I'd rather see him at the 9:30 Club. Can Nick Cave sell out the Strathmore? I'll be surprised, especially at that price.

I actually think the Stathmore would have been a better fit for the Sigur Ros show.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 03, 2012, 04:43:30 pm
I saw Sigur Ros at the Strathmore.  Amazing.

One of the reasons I don't mind paying the dollars for Nick Cave there.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Darth Ed on December 03, 2012, 04:49:31 pm
I have nothing against going to a show at the Strathmore; I just think some types of shows are better there than others.

What's the story on the nickcave.com presale? Do you need a password or join something? Not much info on the site that I can see.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on December 03, 2012, 05:19:19 pm
$75!!!!!!!!!!!!!??? for all the seats?
Seats are 55 and 65 before fees.  So 65 and 75 I'm guessing.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 03, 2012, 07:35:50 pm
oh shoot . . . i should have posted in here.  sorry.  i've never listened to a single nick cave song in my life.  if a nick cave song played right now, i would not know who it is.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on December 03, 2012, 08:08:45 pm
Start with Murder Ballads.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 03, 2012, 08:24:14 pm
A Daft Punk tribute act? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on December 03, 2012, 08:28:23 pm
^Hahaha just read your tweet.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on December 03, 2012, 08:54:02 pm
Looks like $55 and $75 before fees.

check this: http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1500497BB599425A?artistid=743143&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1


$75!!!!!!!!!!!!!??? for all the seats?
Seats are 55 and 65 before fees.  So 65 and 75 I'm guessing.


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Darth Ed on December 03, 2012, 10:37:28 pm
Thao & the Get Down Stay Down
3/20
Black Cat
DAMMIT! Same night as Nick Cave. I hate it when that happens.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 05, 2012, 11:55:52 am
I justified the 87.50 after fee price of Nick Cave to the fact that I would spend that much buying a 50 dollar ticket to the 930 and then spending 40 on beers/tips that night too...

Won't drink at the Strathmore show.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 05, 2012, 12:05:59 pm
I justified the 87.50 after fee price of Nick Cave to the fact that I would spend that much buying a 50 dollar ticket to the 930 and then spending 40 on beers/tips that night too...

Won't drink at the Strathmore show.

I really can't believe its 87.50! Good lord.. of course if one likes a musician enough they'll pay anything...but it was $45 at the 930 in 2008...and I thought THAT was expensive!


He is definitely an amazing singer/songwriter/performer.. don't begrudge him charging what I suppose the market will determine he is ultimately worth...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 05, 2012, 12:09:21 pm
I think it's alot, but I like that venue and it seems like that's how much people like him are.  I don't think Morrissey tickets there were much cheaper.

45 dollars+40 on beer=80 bucks.

and I'll pay the extra money to have a designated place to sit/stand!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 05, 2012, 12:10:13 pm
This is also why I don't really go to many shows anymore.  I remember the days when someone like him would have been 20 bucks *shakes my cane*
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 05, 2012, 12:16:42 pm
it makes me sad to be priced out...  but he deserves any dollar he has coming his way... the guy has never put out anything I haven't liked....some I've liked a little (No more shall we part and nocturama) but the stuff I've really liked has been amazing


everyone who can't make show listen to your Live Seeds live cd... that is what really got me hooked back in the day


still remember seeing him at Lolla in 94.. in the heat  with the sun shinning in his face at 1 pm  playing to a few people who didn't know who he was.. it was awful...  i only caught a few songs because we got there late due to the roads being jammed.... I don't think he came back to the States for years after that ..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 05, 2012, 12:56:07 pm
it makes me sad to be priced out...  but he deserves any dollar he has coming his way... the guy has never put out anything I haven't liked....some I've liked a little (No more shall we part and nocturama) but the stuff I've really liked has been amazing


everyone who can't make show listen to your Live Seeds live cd... that is what really got me hooked back in the day


still remember seeing him at Lolla in 94.. in the heat  with the sun shinning in his face at 1 pm  playing to a few people who didn't know who he was.. it was awful...  i only caught a few songs because we got there late due to the roads being jammed.... I don't think he came back to the States for years after that ..

That is the only time I have seen Nick Cave.  I thought he was decent. I probably only have listened to that one solo album though I do have the Birthday Party stuff.  Yeah it was a horrible drive that year to West Virginia.   But that was the year with Stereolab and Lucious Jackson whom were both pretty awesome.  I had just come back from Cape Cod and was sort of exhausted so I left just before Beastie Boys and I have never seen them since.  If I knew that I would have stuck around.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on December 05, 2012, 01:03:49 pm
I can't think of a more consistent performing/recording artist than Nick Cave over the last 25 years...
Granted the first time i saw him was only maybe 15 years ago or so, but EVERY time I've seen him whether with the Bad Seeds or Grinderman he has delivered 100%.  I've never left one of his shows thinking it could have been any better. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 05, 2012, 01:09:18 pm
Which is why that show is worth 87 dollars. 

My husband was at the Lolla show.  Said he was great.

I wasn't allowed to go to shows in 1994.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on December 05, 2012, 10:17:34 pm
One of my favorite Singer/Songwriters will be making a rare DC appearance on Friday (12/7).  Recommended if you like Crowded House. Jellyfish

Cliff Hillis
solo at Nanny O'Brien's
10pm
3319 Connecticut Ave., NW    Washington    DC    20008

http://www.cliffhillis.com/index

Very cool.  Can't make the show but just got the new CD from his website.

When it comes to power pop I trust your judgment.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 05, 2012, 11:06:35 pm
Which is why that show is worth 87 dollars. 

My husband was at the Lolla show.  Said he was great.

I wasn't allowed to go to shows in 1994.

thank you . . . for making me old.  "couldn't go to shows in '94"  omg.  one more time.  omg.  unless of course you were in jail in 1994, which one more time.  omg.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on December 05, 2012, 11:29:02 pm
Which is why that show is worth 87 dollars. 

My husband was at the Lolla show.  Said he was great.

I wasn't allowed to go to shows in 1994.

thank you . . . for making me old.  "couldn't go to shows in '94"  omg.  one more time.  omg.  unless of course you were in jail in 1994, which one more time.  omg.

AARP has Fleetwod Mac tix...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Darth Ed on December 06, 2012, 12:08:49 am
I decided to pass on Nick Cave and see Thao with The Get Down Stay Down at the Black Cat. I've seen Nick Cave a handful of times already and he's one of my all-time favorite artists, but I just think I'll enjoy the Black Cat show more. I love Thao too, but I've only seen her a couple times.

My favorite Nick Cave album is Henry's Dream. "Papa Won't Leave You, Henry" puts a hop in my step like no other song ever.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on December 06, 2012, 01:45:31 am
thank you . . . for making me old.  "couldn't go to shows in '94"  omg.  one more time.  omg.  unless of course you were in jail in 1994, which one more time.  omg.

speaking of:

One More Time - The Tribute to Daft Punk
Thur 1/24
930
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 06, 2012, 08:48:41 am
One of my favorite Singer/Songwriters will be making a rare DC appearance on Friday (12/7).  Recommended if you like Crowded House. Jellyfish

Cliff Hillis
solo at Nanny O'Brien's
10pm
3319 Connecticut Ave., NW    Washington    DC    20008

http://www.cliffhillis.com/index

Very cool.  Can't make the show but just got the new CD from his website.

When it comes to power pop I trust your judgment.

Cool, Cliff is one of my favs and I put together a quick spotify primer from his albums

http://open.spotify.com/user/djwren/playlist/3LtQAU1mZjalY79x6QJc1J
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 06, 2012, 08:52:22 am
Which is why that show is worth 87 dollars. 

My husband was at the Lolla show.  Said he was great.

I wasn't allowed to go to shows in 1994.

thank you . . . for making me old.  "couldn't go to shows in '94"  omg.  one more time.  omg.  unless of course you were in jail in 1994, which one more time.  omg.

I was in high school.  My parents were not cool with rock concerts for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on December 06, 2012, 11:29:23 am
for hutch:

http://www.goldstar.com/events/washington-dc/richard-marx
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 06, 2012, 11:34:08 am
for hutch:

http://www.goldstar.com/events/washington-dc/richard-marx


Jose Feliciano is more my type currently...


Feliz Navidad!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 11, 2012, 11:41:36 am
QOTSA at the Fillmore? I hope that isn't true. Would rather they hit the 9:30 for 2 nights.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 11, 2012, 11:49:20 am
QOTSA at the Fillmore? I hope that isn't true. Would rather they hit the 9:30 for 2 nights.

I would rather they hit my living room for 5 nights.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 11, 2012, 11:58:56 am
HA! Black Flag used to play a lot of house parties back in the day, and I just couldn't imagine how cool it'd be to walk into some house and have them jamming away. QOTSA would be great in that capacity too. Especially if there was plenty of tequila.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 11, 2012, 12:00:28 pm
Been trying to confirm, nothing on their site, can't seem to pull anything up on DC101. Nothing is coming up on the Google machine either.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on December 11, 2012, 12:57:49 pm
Dave Grohl Won't Tour With Queens of the Stone Age
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dave-grohl-wont-tour-with-queens-of-the-stone-age-20121210

does this mean that Castillo is back?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 11, 2012, 01:20:38 pm
Doubt it. Pretty sure he left the group for good.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on December 11, 2012, 01:56:46 pm
Joey really was one of the best drummers they've ever had. Grohl is good too, but Joey did a great job both with Queens and Eagles of Death Metal. I hope he'll end up with a good gig.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 11, 2012, 02:01:11 pm
Am skeptical about Fillmore booking Queens.. they ain't been booking jack last few months...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 11, 2012, 02:15:11 pm
Am skeptical about Fillmore booking Queens.. they ain't been booking jack last few months...

Looks like they have the roots, wale, flogging molly, and Ellie Goulding  on their upcoming shows.  Seems like some big names. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on December 11, 2012, 02:17:28 pm
Am skeptical about Fillmore booking Queens.. they ain't been booking jack last few months...

Looks like they have the roots, wale, flogging molly, and Ellie Goulding  on their upcoming shows.  Seems like some big names. 

^^this guy kills me^^
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 11, 2012, 02:24:13 pm
How have we not confirmed this yet!?

(http://img.ultimate-guitar.com/_img/news/ug_news/Queens.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on December 11, 2012, 05:26:08 pm
Dave Grohl Won't Tour With Queens of the Stone Age

Not necessarily a bad thing.  Will discourage folks who would only go to the show to see Dave.

Really hope they end up at the 930.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 11, 2012, 05:50:35 pm
Is the fillmore that bad?  I haven't been there yet.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 11, 2012, 06:09:30 pm
Is the fillmore that bad?  I haven't been there yet.

no its not that bad.. good sound and sight lines are fine


they just haven't been booking much good stuff..

and its is a very corporate live nation ticketmaster venue

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 11, 2012, 06:15:28 pm
Is the fillmore that bad?  I haven't been there yet.

no its not that bad.. good sound and sight lines are fine


they just haven't been booking much good stuff..

and its is a very corporate live nation ticketmaster venue



i guess "good" is just an opinion.  As I like the stuff they have currently booked a lot better than Queens of Stone Age.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 11, 2012, 06:56:12 pm
Is the fillmore that bad?  I haven't been there yet.

no its not that bad.. good sound and sight lines are fine


they just haven't been booking much good stuff..

and its is a very corporate live nation ticketmaster venue



i guess "good" is just an opinion.  As I like the stuff they have currently booked a lot better than Queens of Stone Age.

well if you like cover bands you should check out the State Theatre


 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 11, 2012, 09:56:45 pm
Is the fillmore that bad?  I haven't been there yet.

no its not that bad.. good sound and sight lines are fine


they just haven't been booking much good stuff..

and its is a very corporate live nation ticketmaster venue



i guess "good" is just an opinion.  As I like the stuff they have currently booked a lot better than Queens of Stone Age.
*smacks forehead*
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on December 11, 2012, 11:06:02 pm

Tell your friend that he's completely stupid. Rush is one of the most influential bands ever. They influenced pretty much every progressive rock and metal band that came after them. The individual members of Rush even influenced the playing of people of the same instrument who aren't even in progressive bands. From a drummers perspective I can tell you that 99% of rock and metal drummers worship Neil Peart as one of the drum gods. Check out their documentary "Beyond the Lighted Stage", there is a section that has guys like Kirk Hammet, Sebastian Bach, Billy Corgan, Les Claypool, Mike Portnoy, Vinnie Paul, Taylor Hawkins and a bunch of other guys from famous rock and metal bands all talk about how they were influenced by Rush in some way.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 10:35:40 am

Tell your friend that he's completely stupid. Rush is one of the most influential bands ever. They influenced pretty much every progressive rock and metal band that came after them. The individual members of Rush even influenced the playing of people of the same instrument who aren't even in progressive bands. From a drummers perspective I can tell you that 99% of rock and metal drummers worship Neil Peart as one of the drum gods. Check out their documentary "Beyond the Lighted Stage", there is a section that has guys like Kirk Hammet, Sebastian Bach, Billy Corgan, Les Claypool, Mike Portnoy, Vinnie Paul, Taylor Hawkins and a bunch of other guys from famous rock and metal bands all talk about how they were influenced by Rush in some way.

Neil Peart writes their stupid lyrics.  Original drummer was better as he didn't write such stupid lyrics.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 10:47:03 am
Is the fillmore that bad?  I haven't been there yet.

no its not that bad.. good sound and sight lines are fine


they just haven't been booking much good stuff..

and its is a very corporate live nation ticketmaster venue



i guess "good" is just an opinion.  As I like the stuff they have currently booked a lot better than Queens of Stone Age.
*smacks forehead*

So you don't like Wale, Roots, Ellie Guilding, and Flogging Molly?  They have all had albums that were as high on the charts as Queens of the Stone Age's best effort.  So really I don't know where you are coming from.  Other than you like stuff they play on mainstream rock radio.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 11:56:05 am
Is the fillmore that bad?  I haven't been there yet.

no its not that bad.. good sound and sight lines are fine


they just haven't been booking much good stuff..

and its is a very corporate live nation ticketmaster venue



i guess "good" is just an opinion.  As I like the stuff they have currently booked a lot better than Queens of Stone Age.
*smacks forehead*

So you don't like Wale, Roots, Ellie Guilding, and Flogging Molly?  They have all had albums that were as high on the charts as Queens of the Stone Age's best effort.  So really I don't know where you are coming from.  Other than you like stuff they play on mainstream rock radio.
QOTSA worst effort > Wale, The Roots, Ellie Goulding, & Flogging Molly combined

Wale's first album was a flaming fucking failure and his 2nd album he abandoned the sound he made his name on to make money.

Queens is hardly ever played on "mainstream rock radio" btw. Also, fuck 90% of the shit played on the radio. Every now and then they get something right then they run it into the fucking ground.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 12:28:09 pm
Is the fillmore that bad?  I haven't been there yet.

no its not that bad.. good sound and sight lines are fine


they just haven't been booking much good stuff..

and its is a very corporate live nation ticketmaster venue



i guess "good" is just an opinion.  As I like the stuff they have currently booked a lot better than Queens of Stone Age.
*smacks forehead*

So you don't like Wale, Roots, Ellie Guilding, and Flogging Molly?  They have all had albums that were as high on the charts as Queens of the Stone Age's best effort.  So really I don't know where you are coming from.  Other than you like stuff they play on mainstream rock radio.
QOTSA worst effort > Wale, The Roots, Ellie Goulding, & Flogging Molly combined

Wale's first album was a flaming fucking failure and his 2nd album he abandoned the sound he made his name on to make money.

Queens is hardly ever played on "mainstream rock radio" btw. Also, fuck 90% of the shit played on the radio. Every now and then they get something right then they run it into the fucking ground.

that is just your opinion man.  I don't care for queens of stone age.  Boring mainstream rock. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on December 12, 2012, 12:30:13 pm
Mumford & Sons have more songs played on the radio than Queens Of The Stone Age.

Every Mumford & Sons song sounds exactly the fucking same.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 12, 2012, 12:37:20 pm
i hate opinions . . . go away.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on December 12, 2012, 12:40:30 pm
i hate opinions . . . go away.

ha.

I don't understand the Mumford and Sons obsession.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 04:13:20 pm
Mumford & Sons have more songs played on the radio than Queens Of The Stone Age.

Every Mumford & Sons song sounds exactly the fucking same.

You seem to be a expert of what is played on the radio. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on December 12, 2012, 04:45:13 pm
could we please not clog up Just Announced with your inane opinions of museums and associated travel plans?  thx.

So you prefer to clog it up with post like these which add nothing?

clearly the children need to be reminded to behave.  i was hoping that one "STFU" post would prevent a further flood of useless drivel...  your reply proved me wrong, the mental diarrhea continues. 

talk about childish reasoning: "could you folks please stop talking?" "oh yeah?!?  we you just had to talk to make that request, so there!!!111"
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 05:44:11 pm
could we please not clog up Just Announced with your inane opinions of museums and associated travel plans?  thx.

So you prefer to clog it up with post like these which add nothing?

clearly the children need to be reminded to behave.  i was hoping that one "STFU" post would prevent a further flood of useless drivel...  your reply proved me wrong, the mental diarrhea continues. 

talk about childish reasoning: "could you folks please stop talking?" "oh yeah?!?  we you just had to talk to make that request, so there!!!111"

well there was a post after yours which agreed with you.  So you had two posts that provided nothing.  And the posts were about the rock n roll hall of fame.  Which is worth a visit if you are ever in cleveland.

And we are not your children.  going up to people who are having a conversation in public and tell them to stfu and see what happens. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on December 12, 2012, 06:52:24 pm
it's the "just announced" thread for upcoming shows, not the "things to visit when in cleveland" or "why rush sucks" thread.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 12, 2012, 06:58:52 pm
it's the "just announced" thread for upcoming shows, not the "things to visit when in cleveland" or "why rush sucks" thread.

Well I didn't put the stuff about the rock and roll hall of fame into the thread. I just responded to it.  And who cares anyway?  This site gets next to no traffic. You can deal with a few off topic post without acting like you are someone's mother. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on December 28, 2012, 06:47:17 pm
you know . . . you could have just added that to your first post.

what?  and miss out on the opportunity to clog up JA with inane comments about one's personal preferences? 

surely you jest. 

(original source (http://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=12734.msg351843#msg351843))
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 28, 2012, 07:09:23 pm
oh you're so cute when you try . . . oh who am i kidding, you're cute all the time. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on December 28, 2012, 09:38:30 pm
A couple of things re album shows:

1. Some songs were never intended to be played live.

2. Song order is very often determined by the marketing concerns of the label and the technological limitations of the medium, e.g. singles coming first on each side of an LP and soft songs at the side ends because loud songs distort too much.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 28, 2012, 09:52:10 pm
A couple of things re album shows:

1. Some songs were never intended to be played live.

2. Song order is very often determined by the marketing concerns of the label and the technological limitations of the medium, e.g. singles coming first on each side of an LP and soft songs at the side ends because loud songs distort too much.


Good lord Beets! Please take your commentary to the Just Announced thread!!

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 31, 2012, 12:34:02 pm
A couple of things re album shows:

1. Some songs were never intended to be played live.

2. Song order is very often determined by the marketing concerns of the label and the technological limitations of the medium, e.g. singles coming first on each side of an LP and soft songs at the side ends because loud songs distort too much.

Well if some songs were never intended to play live why do it on an "album show".  Anyway if you see a band touring their first album you most likely will see an album show with a cover thrown in.  Most bands best album is probably their first anyway.

Oh excited about Lumineers.  This might be another show that sells out pretty quickly. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on December 31, 2012, 12:58:29 pm
Well sure, if flash in the pan acts are your thing.

  Most bands best album is probably their first anyway.


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 31, 2012, 01:06:46 pm
Well sure, if flash in the pan acts are your thing.

  Most bands best album is probably their first anyway.



Most bands that are not flash-in-the pans put out a load of crap music.  There were two rolling stones shows on tv last night. one from 2008 and one from 1991 in both instances they were absolutely awful.  And to think when was the last time they put out anything decent?  1981's tattoo you?  Yeah but most of the music on that album was recorder earlier.  So  last real new release worthy material? Some Girls 1978.  So they have been touring and putting out crap music for over 30 years. 

I prefer to see a flash in the pan that puts out one incredible album which I hear live than a band that puts out a few good albums followed by 20 bad ones and they can't play live yet they charge insane amounts of money to see them.

For example Lykii Li.  Great first ablum.  Great performance.  or the La's.  Great album and great show and never to be seen from again. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 31, 2012, 01:13:17 pm
edit==starting new thread
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on December 31, 2012, 01:57:01 pm
I would say that most bands that have a long life put out their best album within their first five, but rarely is their first the best.

The La's and Lykke Li are not/will not be long life bands/artists.


Well sure, if flash in the pan acts are your thing.

  Most bands best album is probably their first anyway.



Most bands that are not flash-in-the pans put out a load of crap music.  There were two rolling stones shows on tv last night. one from 2008 and one from 1991 in both instances they were absolutely awful.  And to think when was the last time they put out anything decent?  1981's tattoo you?  Yeah but most of the music on that album was recorder earlier.  So  last real new release worthy material? Some Girls 1978.  So they have been touring and putting out crap music for over 30 years. 

I prefer to see a flash in the pan that puts out one incredible album which I hear live than a band that puts out a few good albums followed by 20 bad ones and they can't play live yet they charge insane amounts of money to see them.

For example Lykii Li.  Great first ablum.  Great performance.  or the La's.  Great album and great show and never to be seen from again. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 31, 2012, 02:19:44 pm
The La's fell apart due to drug use plain and simple.  John Powers released some good but great albums as The Cast.   
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 31, 2012, 04:07:42 pm
I would say that most bands that have a long life put out their best album within their first five, but rarely is their first the best.

The La's and Lykke Li are not/will not be long life bands/artists.


Well sure, if flash in the pan acts are your thing.

  Most bands best album is probably their first anyway.



Most bands that are not flash-in-the pans put out a load of crap music.  There were two rolling stones shows on tv last night. one from 2008 and one from 1991 in both instances they were absolutely awful.  And to think when was the last time they put out anything decent?  1981's tattoo you?  Yeah but most of the music on that album was recorder earlier.  So  last real new release worthy material? Some Girls 1978.  So they have been touring and putting out crap music for over 30 years. 

I prefer to see a flash in the pan that puts out one incredible album which I hear live than a band that puts out a few good albums followed by 20 bad ones and they can't play live yet they charge insane amounts of money to see them.

For example Lykii Li.  Great first ablum.  Great performance.  or the La's.  Great album and great show and never to be seen from again. 

What is a long-life band?  How many bands have 5 great albums in their catalogue?  I would say not too many. 

Off hand:

Beatles
Depeche Mode
Cure
U2
Coldplay
Johnny Cash
Led Zeppelin

Most long life bands contain 2 or 3 decent albums and a bunch of press praise that makes them seem better than they are.  Radiohead:  The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A.  so 3.   Rolling Stones: Let it Bleed, Stick Fingers, Some Girls great.  Beggars Banquet good.  David Bowie: Ziggy Stardust, Hunky Dory. 

I would say Coldplay's best was their first. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on December 31, 2012, 04:35:30 pm
I didn't say five GREAT albums.

I said any band that puts out five or more albums likely will have have their best album within the first five (but not their first). Bands like Nada Surf, My Morning Jacket, Wilco, Old 97's, Neil Young, Drive By Truckers, The Smiths, Belle and Sebastian, The Clash, Brendan Benson, Devotchka, Dr. Dog, Dwight Yoakam just too pull off a few from my ipod.

Bands that only put out two or three albums are flash in the pan bands,  are much more likely to have their first album be their best.

You listen to Coldplay? That's so gayyyyyyyy.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on December 31, 2012, 05:29:45 pm
The Rolling Stones have only three great albums?? And Exile on Main Street isn't even one of them?
 ::)


I really think Atomicfront just doesn't like rock and roll.. I mean he's into the 80s gay synth bands and mopey bands of his youth and the wannabe "indie" folksters of today (Lumineers, Mumford).. there is just not a lot of rock and roll left... sure he gives the Beatles their credit.. he has to.. everybody does.. and Johnny Cash is cool... and Zep "rocks" not that he knows what that is..not really..

Obviously a person like that couldn't appreciate Exile on Main Street.

Plus he just seems to have no clue about music history.. I wonder if you told some of his favorite bands what they though about Bowie having only two good albums? And Low wasn't even one of them??? They'd laugh him out the building.

This is the man who prefers Big Audio Dynamite to the Clash.. I mean really...he just doesn't like rock and roll. And that is fine but don't pretend to be an expert on it dude.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on December 31, 2012, 07:03:49 pm
Exile on main street is an awful album.  Definitely the worst stones album through tatoo you.  Even the band say as much.  And the critics said as much when it came out.  I don't know why people like it. Just a bunch of crappy songs.  well other than tumbling dice and happy.  evidently keith richards was too drugged up at the time to make a decent album.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 31, 2012, 07:46:49 pm
Allmusic would disagree with your assessment of "Exile on Main street"
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: RatBastard on December 31, 2012, 08:54:40 pm
I would say that most bands that have a long life put out their best album within their first five, but rarely is their first the best.

The La's and Lykke Li are not/will not be long life bands/artists.


Well sure, if flash in the pan acts are your thing.

  Most bands best album is probably their first anyway.



Most bands that are not flash-in-the pans put out a load of crap music.  There were two rolling stones shows on tv last night. one from 2008 and one from 1991 in both instances they were absolutely awful.  And to think when was the last time they put out anything decent?  1981's tattoo you?  Yeah but most of the music on that album was recorder earlier.  So  last real new release worthy material? Some Girls 1978.  So they have been touring and putting out crap music for over 30 years. 

I prefer to see a flash in the pan that puts out one incredible album which I hear live than a band that puts out a few good albums followed by 20 bad ones and they can't play live yet they charge insane amounts of money to see them.

For example Lykii Li.  Great first ablum.  Great performance.  or the La's.  Great album and great show and never to be seen from again. 

What is a long-life band?  How many bands have 5 great albums in their catalogue?  I would say not too many. 

Off hand:

Beatles
Depeche Mode
Cure
U2
Coldplay
Johnny Cash
Led Zeppelin

Most long life bands contain 2 or 3 decent albums and a bunch of press praise that makes them seem better than they are.  Radiohead:  The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A.  so 3.   Rolling Stones: Let it Bleed, Stick Fingers, Some Girls great.  Beggars Banquet good.  David Bowie: Ziggy Stardust, Hunky Dory. 

I would say Coldplay's best was their first. 


U2 doesn't even have one great SONG or band member...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 01, 2013, 10:50:25 am
Exile on main street is an awful album.  Definitely the worst stones album through tatoo you.  Even the band say as much.  And the critics said as much when it came out.


Oh, no! If the critics hated it then it MUST be awful.  No getting around that, unfortunately.

Worse than Black and Blue?  I doubt it.  B&B is ok and no better than that.  Well, unless the critics say otherwise.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 01, 2013, 11:13:44 am
Exile on main street is an awful album.  Definitely the worst stones album through tatoo you.  Even the band say as much.  And the critics said as much when it came out.


Oh, no! If the critics hated it then it MUST be awful.  No getting around that, unfortunately.

Worse than Black and Blue?  I doubt it.  B&B is ok and no better than that.  Well, unless the critics say otherwise.

I love Black and Blue!..their most underrated album imnsho... such an interesting album with three different guitarists purportedly auditioning (although ronnie i have to think had it sown up..).. perkins is great on it..


as an aside the original vinyl pressing, in particular, is to die for... pretty much agreed on its the best sounding Stones LP... charlie's high hat is to die for...i'm hearing hey negrita now
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on January 01, 2013, 07:45:35 pm
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g16/beetsnotbeats/uneventful_zpsac462c43.png)

FAIL!!!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 01, 2013, 08:16:56 pm
God bless Tom Waits but he has to be the laziest live performer.. good lord how long has it been since he played DC? 30 years?

He must average 3 shows a year going back to the mid 90s!

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 02, 2013, 10:37:40 am
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g16/beetsnotbeats/uneventful_zpsac462c43.png)

FAIL!!!

moby is pretty awesome live but I believe that is a DJ set.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 02, 2013, 10:43:22 am
Allmusic would disagree with your assessment of "Exile on Main street"

yeah all the critics love it now because they tend to follow each other.  But it still is an awful album.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 02, 2013, 10:56:35 am
The Rolling Stones have only three great albums?? And Exile on Main Street isn't even one of them?
 ::)


I really think Atomicfront just doesn't like rock and roll.. I mean he's into the 80s gay synth bands and mopey bands of his youth and the wannabe "indie" folksters of today (Lumineers, Mumford).. there is just not a lot of rock and roll left... sure he gives the Beatles their credit.. he has to.. everybody does.. and Johnny Cash is cool... and Zep "rocks" not that he knows what that is..not really..

Obviously a person like that couldn't appreciate Exile on Main Street.

Plus he just seems to have no clue about music history.. I wonder if you told some of his favorite bands what they though about Bowie having only two good albums? And Low wasn't even one of them??? They'd laugh him out the building.

This is the man who prefers Big Audio Dynamite to the Clash.. I mean really...he just doesn't like rock and roll. And that is fine but don't pretend to be an expert on it dude.

Funny I like a ton more music than you.  I listed my top 23 albums of the year and would have to now add Alt-J and Django Django albums to it.   And you act like all like is Mumford and Sons..  They didn't even make my top 25 albums of the year list.  I guess they are new band that you know because they are super popular. 

I am sure my expertise on rock is a lot more throrough than your own.  All you seem to like are has-beens.  There is a reason I prefer Big Audio Dynamite to the Clash.  I think you can dance to about on Clash song (Radio Clash) and you can dance to just about all Big Audio Dynamite songs.   London Calling has some great songs on it but it also has a bunch of songs that I have to skip. 

As for the Beatles, I have always loved them and love solo stuff by them too (All things must pass, imagine, band on the run albums + ringo singles from the 70's).  I am not one to make a list to give someone thier due just because I think I have to.  If I did that I would be like a lemming who says Exile on Main Street is a great album.

As for "Low" i don't care for it.  If i had to list my to 5 bowie albums it certainly would not be one of them.   As for someone laughing at my favorite albums, it would make me a very lame person if I decided on what I liked based on someone else opinion.   And instead of replying with bands that you might actually think 5 great albums, 5 masterpieces you come up with an attack response because you base your musical taste or rolling stone magazine instead of making your own mind up.  How dare I have my own opinion on music.  Didn't I read the review by the critic that you read? 

 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 02, 2013, 11:49:50 am
It's good to know that danceability is such an important criteria when it comes to judging the quality of a rock band.

My five year old daughter must be lecturing at your rock school.

The fact that you list Depeche Mode as having five great albums and the Rolling Stones as only having three is as far as I need to read!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 02, 2013, 06:15:10 pm
It's good to know that danceability is such an important criteria when it comes to judging the quality of a rock band.

My five year old daughter must be lecturing at your rock school.

The fact that you list Depeche Mode as having five great albums and the Rolling Stones as only having three is as far as I need to read!

so you are saying your daughter has better musical taste than you? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 03, 2013, 11:06:50 am
No Lumineers pre-sale tickets. at 10:00 i got in and instantly entered captcha. so in 20 seconds no tickets. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 03, 2013, 12:14:01 pm
No Lumineers pre-sale tickets. at 10:00 i got in and instantly entered captcha. so in 20 seconds no tickets. 

the horror! they're having a contest on the vinyl district so go enter that and maybe you win free tickets.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 03, 2013, 12:18:16 pm
No Lumineers pre-sale tickets. at 10:00 i got in and instantly entered captcha. so in 20 seconds no tickets. 

the horror! they're having a contest on the vinyl district so go enter that and maybe you win free tickets.

655 tickets on stubhub already. I am guessing the pre-sale tickets were exclusively attained by scalpers.  Perhaps they were never on sale on ticketmaster.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on January 03, 2013, 12:31:36 pm
god, this band is awful

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2012/07/which_is_worse_vintage-style_s.php
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 03, 2013, 12:47:14 pm
god, this band is awful

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2012/07/which_is_worse_vintage-style_s.php

you are awful.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 03, 2013, 12:49:42 pm
god, this band is awful

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2012/07/which_is_worse_vintage-style_s.php

you are awful.

Grapes of Wrath Hipster'd
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 03, 2013, 01:15:16 pm
god, this band is awful

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2012/07/which_is_worse_vintage-style_s.php

you are awful.

you have incredibly thin skin

also  The Imagineers > The Lumineers
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 03, 2013, 02:52:27 pm
god, this band is awful

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2012/07/which_is_worse_vintage-style_s.php

you are awful.

you have incredibly thin skin

also  The Imagineers > The Lumineers

no i don't. this site is filled with trolls.  I am complaining about a system that is obvioulsy corrupt.  There are 685 tickets on stubhub for a pre-sale for an event that is at a venue that hold 3700 people.  How many tickets were avaiable for the pre-sale?  I went in instantly.  I mean quickest ever. Within 20 seconds the no tickets availabe shows up.   I am sure the vast majority of tickets were not sold through ticketmaster at 10AM.  So either the venue, imp, or ticketmaster bought up tickets before 10AM.  What is the point of a pre-sale if no tickets are available in pre-sale?

So in reply to this someone posts a link about the artist wearing suspender with belts and saying the artist is awful?  What are you guys 5 years old? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 03, 2013, 03:05:19 pm
What exactly did you expect The Lumineers record has been on the top of the Spotify chart for awhile, clearly the band is VERY POPULAR.   Did you read the article linked to?  So by your definition the board is full of trolls because they don't agree with your musical tastes.  I also believe that there is some ticket speculation going on on sites like Stubhub, i.e. not everyone selling tickets have them in hand....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 03, 2013, 03:12:59 pm
Somebody call the FBI. Atomicfront did not get tickets at a presale for the Lumineers. Clearly, there is corruption here. I demand an inquiry. I just hope Seth is not involved...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 03, 2013, 03:21:20 pm
What exactly did you expect The Lumineers record has been on the top of the Spotify chart for awhile, clearly the band is VERY POPULAR.   Did you read the article linked to?  So by your definition the board is full of trolls because they don't agree with your musical tastes.  I also believe that there is some ticket speculation going on on sites like Stubhub, i.e. not everyone selling tickets have them in hand....

Exactly, I've posted this on here before and have had this conversation with multiple people in the past. Scalpers/brokers/stubhub/etc DON'T have tickets in hand quite often, especially in a situation like this where it's a presale.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 03, 2013, 03:22:30 pm
What exactly did you expect The Lumineers record has been on the top of the Spotify chart for awhile, clearly the band is VERY POPULAR.   Did you read the article linked to?  So by your definition the board is full of trolls because they don't agree with your musical tastes.  I also believe that there is some ticket speculation going on on sites like Stubhub, i.e. not everyone selling tickets have them in hand....

yeah it is popular but i pasted the presale password in and typed the  captcha instantly.  I doubt that there were many tickets available.  I am sure there were mostly sold beforehand.  Usually you have a wait were the no tickets available comes up.   The ticketmaster site has that tickets delivery will be delayed until jan 11th.   a lot of the listings on stubhub have instant download.  Who are we kidding.. either imp, dar, ticketmaster, or the band themselves are selling the tickets on stubhub.  

and usually for instantly sold-out shows you have people on here either saying they got tickets or they didn't get tickets. No one is even mentioning it.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 03, 2013, 03:33:19 pm
Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 03, 2013, 03:41:14 pm
Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.

i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 03, 2013, 03:45:53 pm
Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.

i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?

That is quite a charge to be making around here.... at least have the guts to post it on the Hey Seth thread if it is what you actually believe happened.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 03, 2013, 04:22:41 pm
Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.

i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?

Do you belong to an underage girls group on FB? Creepy.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 03, 2013, 04:30:19 pm
Aren't you confusing him with Vansmack?

Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.

i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?

Do you belong to an underage girls group on FB? Creepy.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 03, 2013, 04:46:49 pm
Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.

i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?

Do you belong to an underage girls group on FB? Creepy.

what the heck are you talking about?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 03, 2013, 05:01:42 pm
I think the implication is that people who would likely be talking about a Lumineers DAR show are likely to be underage girls. But that's just my guess.

Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.

i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?

Do you belong to an underage girls group on FB? Creepy.

what the heck are you talking about?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on January 03, 2013, 05:27:11 pm
Aren't you confusing him with Vansmack?

I love the Lumineers.  Their album made my top 23 list!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 03, 2013, 05:27:16 pm
I think the implication is that people who would likely be talking about a Lumineers DAR show are likely to be underage girls. But that's just my guess.

Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.

i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?

Do you belong to an underage girls group on FB? Creepy.

what the heck are you talking about?

You're a smart man, James Ford.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 03, 2013, 05:41:27 pm
I think the implication is that people who would likely be talking about a Lumineers DAR show are likely to be underage girls. But that's just my guess.

Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.



i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?

Do you belong to an underage girls group on FB? Creepy.

what the heck are you talking about?

You're a smart man, James Ford.

your post was really dumb.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 03, 2013, 05:57:03 pm
I think the implication is that people who would likely be talking about a Lumineers DAR show are likely to be underage girls. But that's just my guess.

Maybe the Lumineers just aren't popular with the people that read and post here regularly.  I seem to recall very little traffic when Fun. tickets went on sale around here.



i just looked at facebook and everyone is saying they didn't get tickets.  Someone said thing as me they got in instantly and no tickets available.  Other person posted same thing as me no tickets were actually sold to public.  So there you go.  Why even announce the pre-sale if you aren't selling tickets to the public?

Do you belong to an underage girls group on FB? Creepy.

what the heck are you talking about?

You're a smart man, James Ford.

your post was really dumb.

(http://www.videomotion-tv.net/wp-content/uploads/mvbthumbs/img_6443_the-great-ones-greatest-gaffe-are-you-serious-episode-45.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on January 04, 2013, 12:09:07 am
God bless Tom Waits but he has to be the laziest live performer.. good lord how long has it been since he played DC? 30 years?

He must average 3 shows a year going back to the mid 90s!

he's too busy with prime-time cartoon voice appearances:

"Tom Waits guest stars on The Simpsons Sunday, January 6 on Fox. Check your local listings."
https://www.facebook.com/tomwaits
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Darth Ed on January 04, 2013, 11:11:31 am
The Lumineers public sale sold out in less than 60 seconds, too. Damn.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 11:18:28 am
for atomicfront and other conspiracy theorists:

just posted from 930 facebook

9:30 Club
FRIENDS! Regarding tix for The Lumineers at DAR Constitution Hall on 1/30: DO NOT buy from StubHub, Craigs List or other secondary sources! Multiple orders are being canceled - most of the tickets posted are not real!
Like Share 11 39 seconds ago
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 01:01:57 pm
for atomicfront and other conspiracy theorists:

just posted from 930 facebook

9:30 Club
FRIENDS! Regarding tix for The Lumineers at DAR Constitution Hall on 1/30: DO NOT buy from StubHub, Craigs List or other secondary sources! Multiple orders are being canceled - most of the tickets posted are not real!
Like Share 11 39 seconds ago

evidently most people on the lumineers facebook page thinks the DC show ticket release was a scam.  Today I did get some delay and it took me a while for pages to come up and a while for the no tickets found to show up so some tickets were probably sold through ticketmaster site.  I dont' believe any were sold through ticketmaster yesterday.

I don't know who got the tickets outside the system but it is obvious that is what happened at least via the pre-sale. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 01:06:23 pm
930 club facebook page has about 60 replies to it so far about the bogus ticketmaster sale.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on January 04, 2013, 01:23:19 pm
There are 685 tickets on stubhub for a pre-sale for an event that is at a venue that hold 3700 people. 

how many times does this have to be said: just because a ticket is listed on stubhub doesn't mean the seller has the ticket.  you can list as many tickets as you want, with nothing in hand/confirmed - the seller is promising that they will find one for you, eventually, not that they have secured a ticket. 

add up all the tickets for sale on stubhub, ebay, craigslist, ticketnow, etc... OH MY GOD THEY SOLD 5000 TICKETS FOR A 3700-CAPACITY VENUE THEY ARE ALL CROOKS I DEMAND MY RIGHTS CALL THE FBI!!!111
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 04, 2013, 01:28:51 pm
OMG HOW MANY PRESALES DID THEY HAVE FOR THE SHOW, OMG HOW FAST DO THINK TICKETMASTER CAN SELL 3700 TICKETS - ANY SOLD IN PRESALES - OMG DO YOU THINK THEY'LL RELEASE LAST MINUTE TICKETS -

OMG did you see that their ONE 45 minute long record is topping Spotify.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 01:32:08 pm
There are 685 tickets on stubhub for a pre-sale for an event that is at a venue that hold 3700 people. 

how many times does this have to be said: just because a ticket is listed on stubhub doesn't mean the seller has the ticket.  you can list as many tickets as you want, with nothing in hand/confirmed - the seller is promising that they will find one for you, eventually, not that they have secured a ticket. 

add up all the tickets for sale on stubhub, ebay, craigslist, ticketnow, etc... OH MY GOD THEY SOLD 5000 TICKETS FOR A 3700-CAPACITY VENUE THEY ARE ALL CROOKS I DEMAND MY RIGHTS CALL THE FBI!!!111

I have been going to shows for 30 years or so and I have never said a ticket sale was bogus.  I have used ticketmaster enough to know how it works and I instantly got through yesterday. No one could have been quicker than me.  It is obvious bogus.  Everyone trying to buy tickets knows the sale was bogus.  It is on the lumineers facebook and the 930 club facebook.  usually at a sale you will have some people saying they got tickets and others saying they didn't.  Not everyone shut-out.   As for calling the FBI i don't think that going directly to the secondary market is against the law.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 01:36:33 pm
OMG HOW MANY PRESALES DID THEY HAVE FOR THE SHOW, OMG HOW FAST DO THINK TICKETMASTER CAN SELL 3700 TICKETS - ANY SOLD IN PRESALES - OMG DO YOU THINK THEY'LL RELEASE LAST MINUTE TICKETS -

OMG did you see that their ONE 45 minute long record is topping Spotify.

omg who are the people who bought the tickets?  why aren't their people on the lumineers facebook saying they got pre-sale tickets?   omg how can you ignore the facts.  facts tickets are on stubhub with instant downloads when tickets wont' be relaseed until 1/11.  how can you ignore that fact.  I have bought plenty of tickets on stubhub and all have been legit.  that many bogus tickets on stubhub with all tickets sold out instantly.  not likely.  I am sure 99 percent of the tickets are legit.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 01:45:43 pm
dude, just ask Seth on the Hey Seth thread or STFU....its quite a charge you're making..essentially accusing IMP of having a fake presale and getting the tickets to resellers..


my guess is it was a legit presale as if they didn't want to have a presale they didn't need to have one, right?... with the numbers of resellers out there with dozens of computers or what have you, each, hitting a presale its very easy for it to sell out in 1/10th of a second.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 01:50:22 pm
dude, just ask Seth on the Hey Seth thread or STFU....its quite a charge you're making..essentially accusing IMP of having a fake presale and getting the tickets to resellers..


my guess is it was a legit presale as if they didn't want to have a presale they didn't need to have one, right?... with the numbers of resellers out there with dozens of computers or what have you, each, hitting a presale its very easy for it to sell out in 1/10th of a second.

I didn't say it was IMP doing it.  And it is on 930 club facebook.  there are 65 replies on there saying it is bogus.  How many times have you seen that?  I am sure Seth is more likely to pay attention to facebook than this message board. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 01:58:45 pm
dude, just ask Seth on the Hey Seth thread or STFU....its quite a charge you're making..essentially accusing IMP of having a fake presale and getting the tickets to resellers..


my guess is it was a legit presale as if they didn't want to have a presale they didn't need to have one, right?... with the numbers of resellers out there with dozens of computers or what have you, each, hitting a presale its very easy for it to sell out in 1/10th of a second.

I didn't say it was IMP doing it.  And it is on 930 club facebook.  there are 65 replies on there saying it is bogus.  How many times have you seen that?  I am sure Seth is more likely to pay attention to facebook than this message board. 

If it is an IMP event then the responsible party is IMP.


You should bring it to Seth's attention..even direct message him.. instead of posting unsubstantiated speculation.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 03:25:43 pm
interview from stubhub president:

http://evolver.fm/2011/04/04/stubhub-says-artists-promoters-venues-and-fans-not-scalpers-cause-price-inflation-and-ticket-shortages/ (http://evolver.fm/2011/04/04/stubhub-says-artists-promoters-venues-and-fans-not-scalpers-cause-price-inflation-and-ticket-shortages/)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 03:31:00 pm
interview from stubhub president:

http://evolver.fm/2011/04/04/stubhub-says-artists-promoters-venues-and-fans-not-scalpers-cause-price-inflation-and-ticket-shortages/ (http://evolver.fm/2011/04/04/stubhub-says-artists-promoters-venues-and-fans-not-scalpers-cause-price-inflation-and-ticket-shortages/)

dude that is crusty bread.... we went through all that during the ticket sales for LCD Soundsystem's "last" concert at MSG.

The issue is that if you're saying that there was no presale then that is quite a charge. or that IMP is funneling tickets directly to resellers...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 04, 2013, 04:45:05 pm
i like this arguement better that the gun one . . . i think ratbastard should get in here stat and say what he has to say.

hey rat . . . yes i will contact you back via email.  been busy!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on January 04, 2013, 05:03:57 pm
All I'm going to say is...if this was a Pixies show, the outrage would be unanimous and snark free.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 05:26:09 pm
It appears that on a lot of these general on-line music sites people don't like bands that get popular too quickly.  Why is that? Is it because the masses knew about the band before they did?   Seems pretty weird to choose music to like based on what other people think of it as you are the one listening to it. 

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 04, 2013, 05:33:52 pm
everybody thinks "their" band is their band . . . like a member of the family.  they want what is best for them.  like football teams.  everybody wants to feel involved in something as if the opinions they hold dear will be noticed and taken seriously.  i myself never wanted phish to get bigger than a bar band that played great music to smoke pot too, then look at them.  sort of ruined them in a way.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 04, 2013, 05:40:23 pm
everybody thinks "their" band is their band . . . like a member of the family.  they want what is best for them.  like football teams.  everybody wants to feel involved in something as if the opinions they hold dear will be noticed and taken seriously.  i myself never wanted phish to get bigger than a bar band that played great music to smoke pot too, then look at them.  sort of ruined them in a way.

I disagree... Phish just happened to throw the best party in the US the other night.

What atomicfront is missing here is that ANY band that's extremely popular tends to sell out in mere seconds whether they're playing a 20k venue or a 500 person venue. I consider myself very ticket savvy, quite lucky in scoring tickets, etc. and had zero luck in getting my dad tickets to the Clapton Crossroads Festival at MSG in April. Literally every ticket in the venue was gone in less than a minute.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 05:49:20 pm
This has nothing to do with the Lumineers...


Shows sell out quickly these days... The idea that IMP made up a presale only to then funnel the tickets to the scalpers is simply not substantiated.

I mean lets think realistically... they are playing DAR right? The capacity is what? 4000 at most?

500 are probably holds of different sorts... how many of the 3500 tickets left would have been available for the presale? 1000 tops?
1000 tikcets is essentially 500 people as 99% of people buy by the pair cause they are terrified of going to a show "alone"... scalpers will generally only buy by the pair cause otherwise they are hard to resell.


500 peopple is nothing.. with all the ticket reselling agencies, private resellers(scalpers).. people trying to get ticckets its not  hard to imagine that 500 people would have beaten Atomicfront to the punch no matter how fast he was.. also many reselling agencies will have really high speed lines and will therefore  be even faster than self anointed ticket kung fu expert Atomicfront-san

Unfortunately, Atomicfront's explanation is that those tickets were never on sale and were given to resellers directly in order to get even more money than the face value.


(I do assume the Lumineers suck since Atomicfront likes them but thats not germane..)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 04, 2013, 06:01:34 pm
the Lumineers don't suck per say, they are as the story Van linked to, the fast food/chain restaurants  of folk/rock bands.   their single is quite catchy, i will get them that, but the rest of it to me is more unbearable than Bright Eyes.  and the song about submarines ho boy....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 06:07:00 pm
This has nothing to do with the Lumineers...


Shows sell out quickly these days... The idea that IMP made up a presale only to then funnel the tickets to the scalpers is simply not substantiated.

I mean lets think realistically... they are playing DAR right? The capacity is what? 4000 at most?

500 are probably holds of different sorts... how many of the 3500 tickets left would have been available for the presale? 1000 tops?
1000 tikcets is essentially 500 people as 99% of people buy by the pair cause they are terrified of going to a show "alone"... scalpers will generally only buy by the pair cause otherwise they are hard to resell.


500 peopple is nothing.. with all the ticket reselling agencies, private resellers(scalpers).. people trying to get ticckets its not  hard to imagine that 500 people would have beaten Atomicfront to the punch no matter how fast he was.. also many reselling agencies will have really high speed lines and will therefore  be even faster than self anointed ticket kung fu expert Atomicfront-san

Unfortunately, Atomicfront's explanation is that those tickets were never on sale and were given to resellers directly in order to get even more money than the face value.


(I do assume the Lumineers suck since Atomicfront likes them but thats not germane..)

3700 capactiy.  My point is no one got any tickets other than singles.  What shows do you go to that not a single person has said they got a pair of tickets?  No one on the Lumineers facebook said they have.  1000 tickets currently on stubhub.  I looked at the sold and there are probably around 200 sold on stubhub today.  So that is 1200.  Look at all the tickets on EBay.  Mostly from the same couple of companies. So say another 200 on ebay already.  so 1400 out of 3700 tickets on main two scalping sites already.  I am sure more will be added.   That is 37 percent of all tickets in day one.  


Why are you so against the possibility of the tickets not being available at pre-sale? Stubhub says that is where most of the tickets come from.  Me being beat is one thing but every fan getting beat?  Come on. And for people to beat me on Wednesday they would have had to use a computer but when a lot of computer traffic hits the page it slows down considerably like it did today.  Yesterday there was no slowness.  

And there was also a fan pre-sale.  Everyone on facebook says they got shut out of the fan pre-sale, the regular sale, and the imp pre-sale.  And I have gotten shut out plenty of times.  But never have i heard where everyone was shut out.  And I am slow plenty of times.  I wasn't slow yesterday. page loaded instantly at 10:00:00.  Pasted in presale hit enter.  Image came up instantly.  type in image code instantly as it was easy to recognize.  no delay anywhere.  When i looked at my clock it was 20 seconds after 10 but expect there to be delay from me going down to my clock and clicking the time so it was less than 20 seconds.  

You won't believe anything because you are agumentative.  


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 04, 2013, 06:13:50 pm
you should have tried to get phish reunion hampton tickets.  a three day show, at the mega mothership, all sold individually, at the same time, and all were gone in less than two minutes.  i was offered $600 for my one night tickets at the venue.  he showed me the 6 one hundred dollar bills and told me he would give me $2000 for all three right there.  people and their tickets.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 06:15:27 pm
the Lumineers don't suck per say, they are as the story Van linked to, the fast food/chain restaurants  of folk/rock bands.   their single is quite catchy, i will get them that, but the rest of it to me is more unbearable than Bright Eyes.  and the song about submarines ho boy....

yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

Look at Radiohead.  somehow they got around it and instead of saying they suck people say oh their first album sucked.  Nevermind it is better than their last 3 albums.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 06:18:48 pm
you should have tried to get phish reunion hampton tickets.  a three day show, at the mega mothership, all sold individually, at the same time, and all were gone in less than two minutes.  i was offered $600 for my one night tickets at the venue.  he showed me the 6 one hundred dollar bills and told me he would give me $2000 for all three right there.  people and their tickets.

If someone offered me 600 for any bands tickets I would probably sell them on the spot.  I can't imagine a show I would see for that much money. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 06:19:13 pm
This has nothing to do with the Lumineers...


Shows sell out quickly these days... The idea that IMP made up a presale only to then funnel the tickets to the scalpers is simply not substantiated.

I mean lets think realistically... they are playing DAR right? The capacity is what? 4000 at most?

500 are probably holds of different sorts... how many of the 3500 tickets left would have been available for the presale? 1000 tops?
1000 tikcets is essentially 500 people as 99% of people buy by the pair cause they are terrified of going to a show "alone"... scalpers will generally only buy by the pair cause otherwise they are hard to resell.


500 peopple is nothing.. with all the ticket reselling agencies, private resellers(scalpers).. people trying to get ticckets its not  hard to imagine that 500 people would have beaten Atomicfront to the punch no matter how fast he was.. also many reselling agencies will have really high speed lines and will therefore  be even faster than self anointed ticket kung fu expert Atomicfront-san

Unfortunately, Atomicfront's explanation is that those tickets were never on sale and were given to resellers directly in order to get even more money than the face value.


(I do assume the Lumineers suck since Atomicfront likes them but thats not germane..)

3700 capactiy.  My point is no one got any tickets other than singles.  What shows do you go to that not a single person has said they got a pair of tickets?  No one on the Lumineers facebook said they have.  1000 tickets currently on stubhub.  I looked at the sold and there are probably around 200 sold on stubhub today.  So that is 1200.  Look at all the tickets on EBay.  Mostly from the same couple of companies. So say another 200 on ebay already.  so 1400 out of 3700 tickets on main two scalping sites already.  I am sure more will be added.   That is 37 percent of all tickets in day one.  


Why are you so against the possibility of the tickets not being available at pre-sale? Stubhub says that is where most of the tickets come from.  Me being beat is one thing but every fan getting beat?  Come on. And for people to beat me on Wednesday they would have had to use a computer but when a lot of computer traffic hits the page it slows down considerably like it did today.  Yesterday there was no slowness.  

And there was also a fan pre-sale.  Everyone on facebook says they got shut out of the fan pre-sale, the regular sale, and the imp pre-sale.  And I have gotten shut out plenty of times.  But never have i heard where everyone was shut out.  And I am slow plenty of times.  I wasn't slow yesterday. page loaded instantly at 10:00:00.  Pasted in presale hit enter.  Image came up instantly.  type in image code instantly as it was easy to recognize.  no delay anywhere.  When i looked at my clock it was 20 seconds after 10 but expect there to be delay from me going down to my clock and clicking the time so it was less than 20 seconds.  

You won't believe anything because you are agumentative.  





The people who go on Facebook and these places are always the people who are ticked off.. moreover, not everyone goes to these websites.. you think the resellers who most likely got a very nice chunk of the presale tickets go on those websites to talk about how they did at the presale?

You don't seem to understand that there are ticcket reselling agencies all over the US that have dozens upon dozens of terminals and will hit up these presales and onsales and then simply unload the tickets on the secondary market. THey don't go around posting "HEY! I GOT GREAT SEATS!"

Like I said, ask Seth what the deal is... I think he's a straight up guy.. I don't believe they're placing tickets with resellers and putting on fake presales!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 04, 2013, 06:19:33 pm


yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

  

those are some terrible bands right there and other than Coldplay, these bands will not exist in 10 years.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 06:21:55 pm


yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

  


those are some terrible bands right there and other than Coldplay, these bands will not exist in 10 years.

why are they all terrible?   All had hit pop songs.   And I am sure Mumford and Sons will be around in 10 years.  And radiohead has been around for much more than 10 years.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 04, 2013, 06:22:02 pm
you should have tried to get phish reunion hampton tickets.  a three day show, at the mega mothership, all sold individually, at the same time, and all were gone in less than two minutes.  i was offered $600 for my one night tickets at the venue.  he showed me the 6 one hundred dollar bills and told me he would give me $2000 for all three right there.  people and their tickets.

If someone offered me 600 for any bands tickets I would probably sell them on the spot.  I can't imagine a show I would see for that much money. 

it wasn't just the shows . . . it was the whole three day experience.  the people, the planets, the possibilities.  going to a concert and living within phish shows, are two totally different things.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 06:22:44 pm
you should have tried to get phish reunion hampton tickets.  a three day show, at the mega mothership, all sold individually, at the same time, and all were gone in less than two minutes.  i was offered $600 for my one night tickets at the venue.  he showed me the 6 one hundred dollar bills and told me he would give me $2000 for all three right there.  people and their tickets.

If someone offered me 600 for any bands tickets I would probably sell them on the spot.  I can't imagine a show I would see for that much money. 

it wasn't just the shows . . . it was the whole three day experience.  the people, the planets, the possibilities.  going to a concert and living within phish shows, are two totally different things.  

lay off the yerba man
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 04, 2013, 06:23:08 pm


yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

  

those are some terrible bands right there and other than Coldplay, these bands will not exist in 10 years.

the killers will be.  maybe not as huge as they were, but maybe they will be.  i see them with the talent to survive.  plus they are cute.  that matters.  look at coldplay.  they are so dreamy.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 06:23:39 pm
you should have tried to get phish reunion hampton tickets.  a three day show, at the mega mothership, all sold individually, at the same time, and all were gone in less than two minutes.  i was offered $600 for my one night tickets at the venue.  he showed me the 6 one hundred dollar bills and told me he would give me $2000 for all three right there.  people and their tickets.

If someone offered me 600 for any bands tickets I would probably sell them on the spot.  I can't imagine a show I would see for that much money. 

it wasn't just the shows . . . it was the whole three day experience.  the people, the planets, the possibilities.  going to a concert and living within phish shows, are two totally different things.  

ok that makes sense.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 04, 2013, 06:26:15 pm


yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

  


those are some terrible bands right there and other than Coldplay, these bands will not exist in 10 years.

why are they all terrible?   All had hit pop songs.   And I am sure Mumford and Sons will be around in 10 years.  And radiohead has been around for much more than 10 years.


Due to a band having a hit =/= good band.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 04, 2013, 06:28:43 pm
you should have tried to get phish reunion hampton tickets.  a three day show, at the mega mothership, all sold individually, at the same time, and all were gone in less than two minutes.  i was offered $600 for my one night tickets at the venue.  he showed me the 6 one hundred dollar bills and told me he would give me $2000 for all three right there.  people and their tickets.

If someone offered me 600 for any bands tickets I would probably sell them on the spot.  I can't imagine a show I would see for that much money. 

it wasn't just the shows . . . it was the whole three day experience.  the people, the planets, the possibilities.  going to a concert and living within phish shows, are two totally different things.  

lay off the yerba man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOs4vsthLD0
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 04, 2013, 06:31:53 pm
you should have tried to get phish reunion hampton tickets.  a three day show, at the mega mothership, all sold individually, at the same time, and all were gone in less than two minutes.  i was offered $600 for my one night tickets at the venue.  he showed me the 6 one hundred dollar bills and told me he would give me $2000 for all three right there.  people and their tickets.

If someone offered me 600 for any bands tickets I would probably sell them on the spot.  I can't imagine a show I would see for that much money. 

it wasn't just the shows . . . it was the whole three day experience.  the people, the planets, the possibilities.  going to a concert and living within phish shows, are two totally different things.  

Walky, were you at MSG? Mucho fun was had.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 06:34:06 pm


yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

  


those are some terrible bands right there and other than Coldplay, these bands will not exist in 10 years.

why are they all terrible?   All had hit pop songs.   And I am sure Mumford and Sons will be around in 10 years.  And radiohead has been around for much more than 10 years.


Due to a band having a hit =/= good band.

writing good pop songs does take a bit of talent.  anybody can be shitty band like deerhunter though.    I mean the first velvet underground album is filled with great pop songs just becuase they didn't sell well doesn't mean they weren't pop songs.  same with the pixies "here comes your man" is a typical good pop song. no different than what foster the people are doing.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 04, 2013, 06:34:40 pm
new years eve was a no go for me this year.  was getting over a bad sickness and honestly just did not feel like doing anything this ny.  could have gone to see widespread in charlotte, but said nein to that as well.  i am assuming they put on a great show (which night was the best)  and nothing makes me smile more than the people that go to new years shows.  the best!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 04, 2013, 06:36:07 pm


yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

  


those are some terrible bands right there and other than Coldplay, these bands will not exist in 10 years.

why are they all terrible?   All had hit pop songs.   And I am sure Mumford and Sons will be around in 10 years.  And radiohead has been around for much more than 10 years.


Due to a band having a hit =/= good band.

writing good pop songs does take a bit of talent.  anybody can be shitty band like deerhunter though.    I mean the first velvet underground album is filled with great pop songs just becuase they didn't sell well doesn't mean they weren't pop songs.  same with the pixies "here comes your man" is a typical good pop song. no different than what foster the people are doing.  

i dont think velvet u sold well . . . because andy warhol was too busy scaring everybody at their shows.  like street artists and james ford.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 06:36:33 pm


yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

  


those are some terrible bands right there and other than Coldplay, these bands will not exist in 10 years.

why are they all terrible?   All had hit pop songs.   And I am sure Mumford and Sons will be around in 10 years.  And radiohead has been around for much more than 10 years.


Due to a band having a hit =/= good band.

writing good pop songs does take a bit of talent.  anybody can be shitty band like deerhunter though.    I mean the first velvet underground album is filled with great pop songs just becuase they didn't sell well doesn't mean they weren't pop songs.  same with the pixies "here comes your man" is a typical good pop song. no different than what foster the people are doing.  


what facility with metaphors you exhibit....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on January 04, 2013, 06:50:02 pm
 

If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

Look at Radiohead.  somehow they got around it and instead of saying they suck people say oh their first album sucked.  Nevermind it is better than their last 3 albums.  

Not to get too nit-picky, but Radiohead played 930 after their 3rd album came out.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 04, 2013, 07:34:24 pm
 

If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

Look at Radiohead.  somehow they got around it and instead of saying they suck people say oh their first album sucked.  Nevermind it is better than their last 3 albums.  

Not to get too nit-picky, but Radiohead played 930 after their 3rd album came out.

and the Black Cat before that....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 04, 2013, 07:48:04 pm
 

If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

Look at Radiohead.  somehow they got around it and instead of saying they suck people say oh their first album sucked.  Nevermind it is better than their last 3 albums.  

Not to get too nit-picky, but Radiohead played 930 after their 3rd album came out.


and the Black Cat before that....


And were they warm-up for Teenage Fanclub after their 3rd album?

Telling me that so-so had a hit pop song is meaningless to me, given that I listen to on a very regular basis bands that have released several albums worth of great pop songs that IMHO are far superior to any of the bands you keep carrying on about.  So why do these artist toil in near obscurity?  And can you explain the popularity of Skrillex whose stuff doesn't even resemble a pop song  let alone music.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on January 04, 2013, 07:58:42 pm
yeah but every band that is popular instantly after first album is released they are super negative about: Mumford and Sons, Killers, Keane, Coldplay, Of Monsters and Men, Foster the People.  If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

Look at Radiohead.  somehow they got around it and instead of saying they suck people say oh their first album sucked.  Nevermind it is better than their last 3 albums.  

I love all of those bands.

And I love Radiohead's first album the most, closely followed by the third then second album.  The rest I find unlistenable.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 04, 2013, 11:31:48 pm
 

If you playing big venues shortly after your debut there is this attitude toward them.

Look at Radiohead.  somehow they got around it and instead of saying they suck people say oh their first album sucked.  Nevermind it is better than their last 3 albums.  

Not to get too nit-picky, but Radiohead played 930 after their 3rd album came out.


and the Black Cat before that....


And were they warm-up for Teenage Fanclub after their 3rd album?

Telling me that so-so had a hit pop song is meaningless to me, given that I listen to on a very regular basis bands that have released several albums worth of great pop songs that IMHO are far superior to any of the bands you keep carrying on about.  So why do these artist toil in near obscurity?  And can you explain the popularity of Skrillex whose stuff doesn't even resemble a pop song  let alone music.
that might explain why music snobs like radiohead then.  Who are these pop bands bette than coldplay?   Beach house?  I thimk that is because people are seixsts
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 04, 2013, 11:47:30 pm
The Moons
    Cliff Hillis
    The World Record
    Shoes
    Jets Overhead
    The Stars Explode
 The dBs
The Heartbreaks
The Feeling
Idlewild
Crowded House
Jellyfish
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 05, 2013, 10:29:14 am
The Moons
    Cliff Hillis
    The World Record
    Shoes
    Jets Overhead
    The Stars Explode
 The dBs
The Heartbreaks
The Feeling
Idlewild
Crowded House
Jellyfish

Ok only know 3 of those bands.  Had one album by db's (like this) and saw them open up for REM in 1984.  I think the reason they didn't get popular is they are not very good.  Plus they were absolutely terrible live. 

Crowded House is in the same place as the bands above.  They were very popular with their first album .   People like the people on  here were probably insulting them if they came out now.

Jellyfish were played on MTV non stop.  And they only had two albums.  I don't see them being relevant to this conversation.

the other bands if no one has ever heard of them how are they going to get popular? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 05, 2013, 11:12:53 am
fine first off all the first Crowded House was a sleeper "hit" and I find this nonsense of first sucessful album backlist is your lame way of justifying liking generic successful pop albums.  Personally all the bands you get carrying on about I find boring and why should I waste my time listening to them when there are so many more albums that stir my soul and make me want to listen to repeatedly.

The Feeling are a top 40 UK who have only had one album released in the US so far.  Clearly breaking in the US isn't a priority for them
The Heartbreaks are upcoming UK band with lots of buzz, I predict they be stateside within the year.

The Moons are the project of the Andy Crofts who plays keyboards for Paul Weller and is a personal favorite of Brad Wiggens.  Perhaps you've heard of them.

Cliff Hillis, The World Record, Jets Overhead, Shoes and The Stars Explode are highly regarded with the small but passionate power pop community.  These are artists who simply don't have the resources beyond word of mouth.  All of the bands you wither on about have have the "might" of major labels behind them.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 05, 2013, 11:59:27 am
what is the point of a band?  to be famous, make money, be noticed, tour, do good at what you do, get paid, have a career, have a life, express yourself . . . or just be smalltime, no one knows you except the town you came from, work another job to pay the bills, and dream a little dream?  i think all bands will do anything to be disgustingly famous and "sell out" forever.  only those who fight that system and want to remain "pure" or whatever, are small minded idiots.  what does this have to do with anything.  who knows.  i got bored just now. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 05, 2013, 01:18:26 pm
walkie - you had me up until "i think all bands will do anything to be disgustingly famous and "sell out" forever...." 

Many of the bands/singer songwriters/etc that I listen to, have day jobs and release records, perform intimate venues because it's their passion, full time hobby.  A couple of my friends routinely do "man in the corner" gigs, simply because they want like to perform live.  The music business is vicious racket and is littered with more casualties than success.  To ignore the numerous little acts out there is just short sighted.... 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 05, 2013, 01:45:48 pm
i don't ignore.  i absorb.  i just believe that no matter what the job, what the career, what the situation, everyone strives to be the best, the greatest, the star, the prodigy . . . or why do it?  life is too short to be menial.  i demand expansion and sizing up the next adventure to take on, head on.  what is the point of life, is you go all about it half assed.  musicians too.  shoot for the stars all the time, and sell your mother if you have to . . . she'll be fine; she needs the vacation.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 05, 2013, 02:10:42 pm
the ignore comment wasn't directed at you walkie :D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 05, 2013, 02:29:47 pm
fine first off all the first Crowded House was a sleeper "hit" and I find this nonsense of first sucessful album backlist is your lame way of justifying liking generic successful pop albums.  Personally all the bands you get carrying on about I find boring and why should I waste my time listening to them when there are so many more albums that stir my soul and make me want to listen to repeatedly.

The Feeling are a top 40 UK who have only had one album released in the US so far.  Clearly breaking in the US isn't a priority for them
The Heartbreaks are upcoming UK band with lots of buzz, I predict they be stateside within the year.

The Moons are the project of the Andy Crofts who plays keyboards for Paul Weller and is a personal favorite of Brad Wiggens.  Perhaps you've heard of them.

Cliff Hillis, The World Record, Jets Overhead, Shoes and The Stars Explode are highly regarded with the small but passionate power pop community.  These are artists who simply don't have the resources beyond word of mouth.  All of the bands you wither on about have have the "might" of major labels behind them.

coldplay and monsters and men, and lumineers are no way generic. Db's I would conisider generic.  Generic rock.  guitar, drums, bass, guy with no vocal range singing playing straight ahead rock n roll.   Bad version of dave edmunds.

and i don't just like popular stuff.  i like stuff like asobi seksu, deerhoof, xiu xiu, warpoint, wye oak, vivian girls etc etc.  And I liked popular bands like Arcade Fire, National, Decemberists, M83 before they got popular.  And stuff like Amanda Palmer and Rasputina that have a cult following.

I just listened to the heartbreaks.  guys lead singer bass, guitar, drums playing rock music that has been done a million times before.  i find that incredibly boring.  I didn't care for the Feelings or the moons either.  

As for bands being ignored I think iindie rock bands with female lead singers are ignored. I mean how many masterpieces has Beach House released and they are still playing the 930 club?  And wye oak and lower dens have put out masterpieces as well and pretty much ignored.  Moving to new york is probably the easiest way to get successful as a musician.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 05, 2013, 03:12:14 pm
whatever dude continue to listen to music with suddenly trendy instrumentation (pianos, banjos, fiddles)... All I care about now is there is a apparently new Replacements material coming out.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 05, 2013, 03:17:36 pm
whatever dude continue to listen to music with suddenly trendy instrumentation (pianos, banjos, fiddles)... All I care about now is there is a apparently new Replacements material coming out.

I don't think any of those instrument are trendy as they have been around forever.   Doing the same thing as everyone else has for the last 40 years is boring and is lacking any imagination or any creativity.  When I saw Bat for Lashes on their first american tour (in philly ad they didn't come here), I was amazed at all the different instruments they used. 

As for the Replacements saw them in 1984 as well at the old 930 club by the time I chose to walk out on them over half the crowd had already left.  Pathetic live band.  Couldn't even recognize the songs until they had almost finished them.  As they were murdering "androgynous" I couldn't take it anymore and fled.  Then the next week at DC space I saw a couple of guys on acoustic guitar and electrified washboard do an amazing version of "I will dare".  I thought if only the replacements were as half as good at playing that song.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 05, 2013, 03:18:30 pm
Kosmo, Kind of surprised you left the Brendan Benson solo work off that list.
P.S. Kosmo's power pop recommendations are the only thing of value in the last four pages of this thread. Oh and the Tom Waits Simpsons post!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 05, 2013, 03:36:24 pm
my list was mainly generated from the artists who put out great records this year and i've gotten around to get Brendan's newest for this year, but yes his material is some of the finest pop out there.  and much better than the dreck realized by Jack White's Big Fat Ego and the Ranconteurs.   And anyone who walks out on a drunken Replacement's fest has no soul...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 05, 2013, 05:28:22 pm
love the first 2.5 Brendan Benson albums, but the last two have been flat out boring. I blame Jack White.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 05, 2013, 06:51:32 pm
my list was mainly generated from the artists who put out great records this year and i've gotten around to get Brendan's newest for this year, but yes his material is some of the finest pop out there.  and much better than the dreck realized by Jack White's Big Fat Ego and the Ranconteurs.   And anyone who walks out on a drunken Replacement's fest has no soul...

I don't know if the Replacements were drunk.  I think it was just more a case of them not knowing how to play their instruments.   No reason to see someone who doesn't know how to play their own songs.  I think other than Flipper's show at the old 930 club I haven't seen a worse performance. 

Anyway I don't think you don't like bands based on reviews.  That is what I thought at first but now I think you just don't like music that is innovative.   or value quality singing voices or musical arrangement.

As for Brendan, no one would know who he was if it weren't for jack white.  I think he will fade back into obscurity as he rightfully belongs.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 05, 2013, 07:37:26 pm
i'm out... if anything I value bands with great vocals, harmonies, etc the most.  I rarely read reviews of records and if you paid any attention at all to my best albums of 2012 you'd notice my loyalites are split between power pop /funk/soul/afrobeat. I value The Moons because it's like listening to all of the 60s at once.    and i find the likes of alabama shakes because it tiresome, basic and unoriginal.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 05, 2013, 09:40:41 pm
i'm out... if anything I value bands with great vocals, harmonies, etc the most.  I rarely read reviews of records and if you paid any attention at all to my best albums of 2012 you'd notice my loyalites are split between power pop /funk/soul/afrobeat. I value The Moons because it's like listening to all of the 60s at once.    and i find the likes of alabama shakes because it tiresome, basic and unoriginal.

I don't know why you need to feel to insult the bands I like though.  To tell you the truth there are bands on your list I know Tim Burgess, Primitives, Cornershop, Db's, Jimmy Cliff, St Entienne.  But I haven't even heard of anything from these acts in the last 15 years.  So it would be hard for me to insult your list. 

But why do you have to feel superior about the whole thing?  At least my music other people actually like.  How do you come up with my music is superior than yours idea? 

You can say the popularity thing but  i saw beach house with less than 50 people at a show.  Sure their album is in the top 10 now but no one knew about them back when I started listening to them.  I saw Dresden Dolls on a small stage at a music festival.  And instantly liked them.  Amanda Palmer (Dresden Doll member) doesn't even have a record label.  She doesn't get a ton of positive press.  No hipster love.   Yet she put out a top 10 album.   So you can take the BS that no one cares about your bands because they don't get press or record label support.   I knew about of Monsters and Men only because they were playing at black cat.  I checked out their music and loved it. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: RatBastard on January 06, 2013, 12:53:54 am
I don't know if the Replacements were drunk.  I think it was just more a case of them not knowing how to play their instruments.   No reason to see someone who doesn't know how to play their own songs.  I think other than Flipper's show at the old 930 club I haven't seen a worse performance. 

C Love/Hole 930
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 06, 2013, 02:31:55 am
^I was there.
Left before the first encore.
Most epically horrid show ever.

Post review might be their best piece of music writing to date.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 06, 2013, 12:21:14 pm
I will just put one final comment out on the popular/unpopular debate.  The most popular bands I have seen have put on amazing live shows.  You can tell they put tons of practice into their live performances before going out on the road.  They also respect their fans.  And they don't take 5 years before putting out albums or put out albums with one good song on them.

Look at some of the talented bands  that didn't make it big.  Replacements:  I loved "Let it be" one of my favorite albums of all time but after basically not even making an attempt to play their songs correctly live I never had anything to do with them again.

The Fall:  Saw them at old 930 club back in 1985.  They played music that hadn't been released yet for most of the set.  Mark E Smith kicked equipment around all night.  Spent the entire saying how the venue sucks and how everytime they come there it is the same shitty things.  I never had anything to do with band again.

Sonic Youth saw them at festival a few years back.  Kim Gordon pretended to play bass and was in what appeared to be in a drug induced daze.. their set consisted mostly of songs from their new mediocre album and didn't include any of the old songs that I loved.

Lou Reed saw him at Lolla a few years back.  He comes out 25 minutes late.  (Never mind he had an hour to get his stage ready).  He plays 20 minutes after his set is supposed to end.  The Band of Horses are playing at the stage next to him.  So they lost 20 minutes of set time.  The members of band of horses are giving him the finger.  Bring in things like releasing a double album of noise.  From what I heard in the past not wanting to play songs people wanted to hear and being a general a-hole it is easy why to see why he never had main stream success.


Public Image Limited.  One of my favorite bands musically.  But he never could keep band members.  Lost talented musician after talented musician.  Would walk out on interviews telling the interviewee he was stupid.  Generally told everyone they were stupid.


Look at Amanda Palmer she has gotten zero help from anyone yet she spends time on her message boards talking to people.  She hangs out with fans after shows.  Invites fans on to stage with her.  Encourages fans in their own artistic work.  Puts on incredible live shows

Or the Cure.  they might not have the most exciting live show but they have played for many hours.  I think the last show I saw of them during the early 90's they did 4 encores.  Plus on the Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me tour he came outside after the gig and spent an hour talking to fans and signing autographs.

The Beatles worked their asses off.  They put out two albums worth of music basically every year.  Great songs.  Innovative.  They didn't stick to the guitar, drum, bass only very long and always spent a lot of time rehearsing.  They did movies.  They did a million press conferences. 

Bands that are popular work for it.  I can't stand Bruce Springsteen but from what I have heard he plays for 3 or 4 hours.   

If you are going to shit on your fans or don't spend an effort on a live show you won't have fans for very long

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 06, 2013, 12:31:12 pm
you really judge a band by their live performances, and you really judge an act by what they do in one set particular space in time, don't you?  sonic youth always does that live.  bands have moments after being on the shit road they live.  artists suffer so people like you can complain about them because they didn't have a perfect event at some time of their lives.  big whoop to you.  here's an idea . . . listen to music because it is good or don't listen to music because it is not.  stop thinking that anybody else cares what you do or what you like or who you are or why this and that.  no body cares.  they sometimes don't care what they are doing.  life is so complicated to care so much about something so simple as music.  just listen to it.  stop forming your life around it . . . people who go to phish do that; you wanna be like them; didn't think so.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 06, 2013, 12:36:37 pm
^Did Robert Smith sign anything or you? If so post it on the Concert pictures, etc. thread. Thanks


The Cure is probably one of the only bands I'd really like to see that I never made it... I think I had tickets to see them once at the Patriot Center but can't remember why I never made it..I may have even forgotten about the show....

There are so many things wrong with what you write that I wont' even bother to go there but it is funny how you put Lydon down for not keeping the same band members but have no issue with what Robert Smith has done shuffling members left and right.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2013, 12:40:11 pm
This is most BS I think I've ever seen here

Look at Amanda Palmer she has gotten zero help from anyone yet she spends time on her message boards talking to people.  She hangs out with fans after shows.  Invites fans on to stage with her.  Encourages fans in their own artistic work.  Puts on incredible live shows

Amanda Palmer has raised over 1.2 Million Dollars from fans on Kickstarter, the Dresden Dolls were on a high profile "indie" label, she is the queen of self promotion, is the girlfriend of Neil Gaimen an author with a huge cult following.  Yup Amanda Palmer never got help from anyone....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 06, 2013, 01:33:13 pm
This is most BS I think I've ever seen here

Look at Amanda Palmer she has gotten zero help from anyone yet she spends time on her message boards talking to people.  She hangs out with fans after shows.  Invites fans on to stage with her.  Encourages fans in their own artistic work.  Puts on incredible live shows

Amanda Palmer has raised over 1.2 Million Dollars from fans on Kickstarter, the Dresden Dolls were on a high profile "indie" label, she is the queen of self promotion, is the girlfriend of Neil Gaimen an author with a huge cult following.  Yup Amanda Palmer never got help from anyone....

the 1.2 million dollars was from fans.  The label didn't support her at all when she was on it.  they told her she was fat.  She was popular before she met neil gaiman.  and she is his wife not his girlfriend. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 06, 2013, 01:34:38 pm
^Did Robert Smith sign anything or you? If so post it on the Concert pictures, etc. thread. Thanks


The Cure is probably one of the only bands I'd really like to see that I never made it... I think I had tickets to see them once at the Patriot Center but can't remember why I never made it..I may have even forgotten about the show....

There are so many things wrong with what you write that I wont' even bother to go there but it is funny how you put Lydon down for not keeping the same band members but have no issue with what Robert Smith has done shuffling members left and right.

simon gallup has been on most cure albums.  he had many long term members.  the members in PIL quit because of john lydon. 

I had gotten an autograph from robert smith but I no longer have it.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2013, 01:43:52 pm
This is most BS I think I've ever seen here

Look at Amanda Palmer she has gotten zero help from anyone yet she spends time on her message boards talking to people.  She hangs out with fans after shows.  Invites fans on to stage with her.  Encourages fans in their own artistic work.  Puts on incredible live shows

Amanda Palmer has raised over 1.2 Million Dollars from fans on Kickstarter, the Dresden Dolls were on a high profile "indie" label, she is the queen of self promotion, is the girlfriend of Neil Gaimen an author with a huge cult following.  Yup Amanda Palmer never got help from anyone....

the 1.2 million dollars was from fans.  The label didn't support her at all when she was on it.  they told her she was fat.  She was popular before she met neil gaiman.  and she is his wife not his girlfriend. 

guess that record company didn't release any of their records huh?  and wow i don't think i've ever heard of band being screwed over by a label before  ::)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 06, 2013, 01:46:24 pm
you really judge a band by their live performances, and you really judge an act by what they do in one set particular space in time, don't you?  sonic youth always does that live.  bands have moments after being on the shit road they live.  artists suffer so people like you can complain about them because they didn't have a perfect event at some time of their lives.  big whoop to you.  here's an idea . . . listen to music because it is good or don't listen to music because it is not.  stop thinking that anybody else cares what you do or what you like or who you are or why this and that.  no body cares.  they sometimes don't care what they are doing.  life is so complicated to care so much about something so simple as music.  just listen to it.  stop forming your life around it . . . people who go to phish do that; you wanna be like them; didn't think so.

well if they don't care than other people don't care.  You think some shitty band you like isn't popular because of the masses of people being stupid.   Yeah no one gives a shit about sonic youth because they put on shitty sets.  Not because of the quality of their music.  

People are successes in life because they work hard at what they are doing.  I don't care if sonic youth or the replacements doesn't give a shit about me. I just don't support them anymore.  I buy all of amanda palmers albums because she actually works hard at what she does and deserves to be compensated for it.

You are the one that brought up woe band x is the great band that no one listens to.  I told you why no one listens to some bands.  you can't just show up at your gig bitch about everything put on a horrible show and expect people to buy your albums.  you can't be some stupid guitar, bass, drum , male lead singer with no range and write simplistic straight a head rock n roll songs that sound like the worst song off exile and main street and expect to be stars.  

Shit there are people traveling all over the country touring some musical where they have to do multiple shows a day and they probably aren't getting paid very much and they put on great performances night after night. It is called being a professional.   You can do whatever you want.  think your fans are stupid and treat them as such and then suffer in obscurity but that is your own fault.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 06, 2013, 01:48:57 pm
This is most BS I think I've ever seen here

Look at Amanda Palmer she has gotten zero help from anyone yet she spends time on her message boards talking to people.  She hangs out with fans after shows.  Invites fans on to stage with her.  Encourages fans in their own artistic work.  Puts on incredible live shows

Amanda Palmer has raised over 1.2 Million Dollars from fans on Kickstarter, the Dresden Dolls were on a high profile "indie" label, she is the queen of self promotion, is the girlfriend of Neil Gaimen an author with a huge cult following.  Yup Amanda Palmer never got help from anyone....

the 1.2 million dollars was from fans.  The label didn't support her at all when she was on it.  they told her she was fat.  She was popular before she met neil gaiman.  and she is his wife not his girlfriend. 

guess that record company didn't release any of their records huh?

here is what record companies can do for you:  get you good press, get you played on the radio.  They didn't do that for them.  shit the replacements and sonic youth were on major labels with glowing press and had all the backing in the world from huge companies, got played on mtv quite a bit.  and neither had a top 10 record.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 06, 2013, 02:15:45 pm
This is most BS I think I've ever seen here

Look at Amanda Palmer she has gotten zero help from anyone yet she spends time on her message boards talking to people.  She hangs out with fans after shows.  Invites fans on to stage with her.  Encourages fans in their own artistic work.  Puts on incredible live shows

Amanda Palmer has raised over 1.2 Million Dollars from fans on Kickstarter, the Dresden Dolls were on a high profile "indie" label, she is the queen of self promotion, is the girlfriend of Neil Gaimen an author with a huge cult following.  Yup Amanda Palmer never got help from anyone....

the 1.2 million dollars was from fans.  The label didn't support her at all when she was on it.  they told her she was fat.  She was popular before she met neil gaiman.  and she is his wife not his girlfriend. 

guess that record company didn't release any of their records huh?

here is what record companies can do for you:  get you good press, get you played on the radio.  They didn't do that for them.  shit the replacements and sonic youth were on major labels with glowing press and had all the backing in the world from huge companies, got played on mtv quite a bit.  and neither had a top 10 record.

you seem to admire whores
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 06, 2013, 02:46:08 pm
you really judge a band by their live performances, and you really judge an act by what they do in one set particular space in time, don't you?  sonic youth always does that live.  bands have moments after being on the shit road they live.  artists suffer so people like you can complain about them because they didn't have a perfect event at some time of their lives.  big whoop to you.  here's an idea . . . listen to music because it is good or don't listen to music because it is not.  stop thinking that anybody else cares what you do or what you like or who you are or why this and that.  no body cares.  they sometimes don't care what they are doing.  life is so complicated to care so much about something so simple as music.  just listen to it.  stop forming your life around it . . . people who go to phish do that; you wanna be like them; didn't think so.

well if they don't care than other people don't care.  You think some shitty band you like isn't popular because of the masses of people being stupid.   Yeah no one gives a shit about sonic youth because they put on shitty sets.  Not because of the quality of their music.  

People are successes in life because they work hard at what they are doing.  I don't care if sonic youth or the replacements doesn't give a shit about me. I just don't support them anymore.  I buy all of amanda palmers albums because she actually works hard at what she does and deserves to be compensated for it.

You are the one that brought up woe band x is the great band that no one listens to.  I told you why no one listens to some bands.  you can't just show up at your gig bitch about everything put on a horrible show and expect people to buy your albums.  you can't be some stupid guitar, bass, drum , male lead singer with no range and write simplistic straight a head rock n roll songs that sound like the worst song off exile and main street and expect to be stars.  

Shit there are people traveling all over the country touring some musical where they have to do multiple shows a day and they probably aren't getting paid very much and they put on great performances night after night. It is called being a professional.   You can do whatever you want.  think your fans are stupid and treat them as such and then suffer in obscurity but that is your own fault.



i like that response . . . you are a worthy faux opponent and interesting person.  i bet you do good at what you do, too.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 06, 2013, 06:05:31 pm
You think some of Amanda Palmer's popularity is due to the fact that she's an attractive woman who gets full frontal naked in her music videos?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 06, 2013, 09:08:03 pm
I have no idea who she is.

I win?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 06, 2013, 09:12:11 pm
Have you heard of Dresden Dolls?

I have no idea who she is.

I win?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 06, 2013, 09:18:33 pm
You think some of Amanda Palmer's popularity is due to the fact that she's an attractive woman who gets full frontal naked in her music videos?


most of her fans are women.  I don't find her attractive but to each their own. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: imbecile on January 07, 2013, 09:02:29 am
I know a feel people who grew up in Boston and coincidentally went to same private school as Amanda Palmer.  Apparently she was quite an unpleasant person in high school. 

That being said, I still enjoyed the three or four times I saw the Dresden Dolls.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 07, 2013, 11:03:39 am
I have no idea who she is.

I win?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on January 07, 2013, 11:42:49 am
Atomicfront please post more concerts that you've attended as some sort of retarded proof that you're not a dumbass.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on January 07, 2013, 12:14:36 pm
interview from stubhub president:

http://evolver.fm/2011/04/04/stubhub-says-artists-promoters-venues-and-fans-not-scalpers-cause-price-inflation-and-ticket-shortages/ (http://evolver.fm/2011/04/04/stubhub-says-artists-promoters-venues-and-fans-not-scalpers-cause-price-inflation-and-ticket-shortages/)

Ticketmaster accidentally sells out Inaugural Ball

http://dcist.com/2013/01/ticketmaster_error_sells_out_inaugural_ball.php
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on January 07, 2013, 01:09:09 pm
Have you heard of Dresden Dolls?

I have no idea who she is.

I win?

Yes.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 07, 2013, 04:07:49 pm

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Rufus Wainwright
2/12
Presale Tomorrow 10 am EST RufusWainwright.com




After the Lumineers debacle I don't know if this is even worth trying.  Other things going on sale tomorrow at 10 AM as well. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on January 07, 2013, 04:34:57 pm

Quote


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Rufus Wainwright
2/12
Presale Tomorrow 10 am EST RufusWainwright.com




After the Lumineers debacle I don't know if this is even worth trying.  Other things going on sale tomorrow at 10 AM as well. 

Not nearly as many blonde teens from Chevy Chase, MD will be trying for this. You should be ok.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 07, 2013, 04:39:34 pm

Quote


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rufus Wainwright
2/12
Presale Tomorrow 10 am EST RufusWainwright.com




After the Lumineers debacle I don't know if this is even worth trying.  Other things going on sale tomorrow at 10 AM as well. 

Not nearly as many blonde teens from Chevy Chase, MD will be trying for this. You should be ok.

between this and your post in the friends with benefit thread I am totally confused.  What does blonde hair have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 08, 2013, 11:07:33 am
Rufus Wainwright tickets and Newport Folk Festival early bird tickets acquired.  Rufus show requires you to pick up the tickets at the door showing your ID.  I guess that is why I was able to get tickets. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 08, 2013, 11:22:25 am
the new Bowie song (and promise of new album out in March!) has absolutely made my day!

HE has been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO missed..


Happy birthday David Bowie and welcome back!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 08, 2013, 11:43:06 am
The Bowie single has certainly grabbed the attention of the Interweb today....  I'm curious to hear this album, based on the single it's sounds like it could be a very reflective album.  His almost fragile vocals are haunting on the single..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 08, 2013, 11:46:16 am
bowie at coachella?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on January 08, 2013, 11:49:59 am
Bowie sounds terrible on this song, which is boring.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 08, 2013, 11:54:09 am
Bowie sounds terrible on this song, which is boring.


well bowie has sounded terrible for every solo and tin machine song he has released since "Tonight".  I guess his release with queen was his last decent song. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 08, 2013, 11:57:52 am
This song is great! You guys are nuts...

Is that Bjork in the video by the way?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 08, 2013, 11:59:33 am
Bowie sounds terrible on this song, which is boring.


well bowie has sounded terrible for every solo and tin machine song he has released since "Tonight".  I guess his release with queen was his last decent song. 


This is so idiotic its funny. The last "decent" Bowie song was in 1982??? Heck the entire overlooked Buddha of Suburbia soundtrack is great..that's before we talk about the five studio albums he released between 1995-2003.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 08, 2013, 12:02:45 pm
Bowie sounds terrible on this song, which is boring.


well bowie has sounded terrible for every solo and tin machine song he has released since "Tonight".  I guess his release with queen was his last decent song. 


This is so idiotic its funny. The last "decent" Bowie song was in 1982??? Heck the entire overlooked Buddha of Suburbia soundtrack is great..that's before we talk about the five studio albums he released between 1995-2003.

Oh thanks for reminder about the Buddha of Suburbia work, i dug that album, need to find that in my collection.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on January 08, 2013, 12:08:52 pm
Bowie's albums up to and including Scary Monsters: Superb, exciting, ground-breaking. Maybe the debut and Pin-Ups aren't as exemplary but they fit in well with everything else, which represents one of the best album runs in rock history. Man Who Sold the World --> Scary Monsters is an unreal line of quality.

Bowie's albums including and following Lets Dance: Mediocre and unnecessary. Sure, some good songs and vibes here and there but nothing special and largely aping either the sounds of the day or his own music from decades earlier.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 08, 2013, 12:14:02 pm
Bowie's albums up to and including Scary Monsters: Superb, exciting, ground-breaking. Maybe the debut and Pin-Ups aren't as exemplary but they fit in well with everything else, which represents one of the best album runs in rock history. Man Who Sold the World --> Scary Monsters is an unreal line of quality.

Bowie's albums including and following Lets Dance: Mediocre and unnecessary. Sure, some good songs and vibes here and there but nothing special and largely aping either the sounds of the day or his own music from decades earlier.

This is the conventional wisdom but I think its unrealistic to think that someone should continually revolutionize music for 40 years. I think he gave us enough revolutionary albums and there is nothing wrong with recording comfortable albums. Heck, if you enjoy Bowie's voice you're going to enjoy those newer albums too.

But to say somebody is "mediocre" because they are not revolutionary seems insane.

Of course ageism is a terrible bias in rock and roll... and Bowie will always be compared to what he did before.

I find the new song terribly affecting and am glad for it. I dont' expect him to release a new album that will change the world. Just some new songs written by him with him singing is fine with me. More than I could have dreamed of yesterday.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 08, 2013, 12:17:54 pm
Bowie's albums up to and including Scary Monsters: Superb, exciting, ground-breaking. Maybe the debut and Pin-Ups aren't as exemplary but they fit in well with everything else, which represents one of the best album runs in rock history. Man Who Sold the World --> Scary Monsters is an unreal line of quality.

Bowie's albums including and following Lets Dance: Mediocre and unnecessary. Sure, some good songs and vibes here and there but nothing special and largely aping either the sounds of the day or his own music from decades earlier.

This is the conventional wisdom but I think its unrealistic to think that someone should continually revolutionize music for 40 years. I think he gave us enough revolutionary albums and there is nothing wrong with recording comfortable albums. Heck, if you enjoy Bowie's voice you're going to enjoy those newer albums too.

But to say somebody is "mediocre" because they are not revolutionary seems insane.

Of course ageism is a terrible bias in rock and roll... and Bowie will always be compared to what he did before.

I find the new song terribly affecting and am glad for it. I dont' expect him to release a new album that will change the world. Just some new songs written by him with him singing is fine with me. More than I could have dreamed of yesterday.

i got some bowie multiple disc best of.  It included a single song from every album after tonight and none of them were even half way decent.  Tonight has "Blue Jean" on it as well as a few other decent songs.  I mean the album isn't very good but there is stuff worth listening to. 

I hadn't realized he hasn't toured in 9 years.  Hopefully he has a big tour and plays a lot of older songs. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 08, 2013, 12:22:07 pm
Bowie's albums up to and including Scary Monsters: Superb, exciting, ground-breaking. Maybe the debut and Pin-Ups aren't as exemplary but they fit in well with everything else, which represents one of the best album runs in rock history. Man Who Sold the World --> Scary Monsters is an unreal line of quality.

Bowie's albums including and following Lets Dance: Mediocre and unnecessary. Sure, some good songs and vibes here and there but nothing special and largely aping either the sounds of the day or his own music from decades earlier.

This is the conventional wisdom but I think its unrealistic to think that someone should continually revolutionize music for 40 years. I think he gave us enough revolutionary albums and there is nothing wrong with recording comfortable albums. Heck, if you enjoy Bowie's voice you're going to enjoy those newer albums too.

But to say somebody is "mediocre" because they are not revolutionary seems insane.

Of course ageism is a terrible bias in rock and roll... and Bowie will always be compared to what he did before.

I find the new song terribly affecting and am glad for it. I dont' expect him to release a new album that will change the world. Just some new songs written by him with him singing is fine with me. More than I could have dreamed of yesterday.

i got some bowie multiple disc best of.  It included a single song from every album after tonight and none of them were even half way decent.  Tonight has "Blue Jean" on it as well as a few other decent songs.  I mean the album isn't very good but there is stuff worth listening to. 

I hadn't realized he hasn't toured in 9 years.  Hopefully he has a big tour and plays a lot of older songs. 

big tour??? He has a stroke or heart attack the last one and hasn't been seen since except for two pictures taken of him walking around NYC and another one at a movie festival.

A "big tour" is the last thing that is going to happen here. And I write the preceding words with the hope I will be proven wrong

This new album is a gift.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 08, 2013, 12:40:23 pm
Bowie's albums up to and including Scary Monsters: Superb, exciting, ground-breaking. Maybe the debut and Pin-Ups aren't as exemplary but they fit in well with everything else, which represents one of the best album runs in rock history. Man Who Sold the World --> Scary Monsters is an unreal line of quality.

Bowie's albums including and following Lets Dance: Mediocre and unnecessary. Sure, some good songs and vibes here and there but nothing special and largely aping either the sounds of the day or his own music from decades earlier.

This is the conventional wisdom but I think its unrealistic to think that someone should continually revolutionize music for 40 years. I think he gave us enough revolutionary albums and there is nothing wrong with recording comfortable albums. Heck, if you enjoy Bowie's voice you're going to enjoy those newer albums too.

But to say somebody is "mediocre" because they are not revolutionary seems insane.

Of course ageism is a terrible bias in rock and roll... and Bowie will always be compared to what he did before.

I find the new song terribly affecting and am glad for it. I dont' expect him to release a new album that will change the world. Just some new songs written by him with him singing is fine with me. More than I could have dreamed of yesterday.

i got some bowie multiple disc best of.  It included a single song from every album after tonight and none of them were even half way decent.  Tonight has "Blue Jean" on it as well as a few other decent songs.  I mean the album isn't very good but there is stuff worth listening to. 

I hadn't realized he hasn't toured in 9 years.  Hopefully he has a big tour and plays a lot of older songs. 

big tour??? He has a stroke or heart attack the last one and hasn't been seen since except for two pictures taken of him walking around NYC and another one at a movie festival.

A "big tour" is the last thing that is going to happen here. And I write the preceding words with the hope I will be proven wrong

This new album is a gift.



odds are 2 to 1 against a tour.  So pretty much even.  So if you are so sure about no tour you can bet on it and make yourself some money.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on January 08, 2013, 12:43:38 pm
Rufus Wainwright tickets and Newport Folk Festival early bird tickets acquired.  Rufus show requires you to pick up the tickets at the door showing your ID.  I guess that is why I was able to get tickets. 

that, and no one cares for Rufus anymore... he doesn't exactly have buzz. 

he's not selling out a big festival (LOTS more tickets than DAR), so it doesn't mean a thing about scalping.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on January 08, 2013, 12:44:25 pm
Bowie's albums up to and including Scary Monsters: Superb, exciting, ground-breaking. Maybe the debut and Pin-Ups aren't as exemplary but they fit in well with everything else, which represents one of the best album runs in rock history. Man Who Sold the World --> Scary Monsters is an unreal line of quality.

Bowie's albums including and following Lets Dance: Mediocre and unnecessary. Sure, some good songs and vibes here and there but nothing special and largely aping either the sounds of the day or his own music from decades earlier.

This is the conventional wisdom but I think its unrealistic to think that someone should continually revolutionize music for 40 years. I think he gave us enough revolutionary albums and there is nothing wrong with recording comfortable albums. Heck, if you enjoy Bowie's voice you're going to enjoy those newer albums too.

But to say somebody is "mediocre" because they are not revolutionary seems insane.

Of course ageism is a terrible bias in rock and roll... and Bowie will always be compared to what he did before.

I find the new song terribly affecting and am glad for it. I dont' expect him to release a new album that will change the world. Just some new songs written by him with him singing is fine with me. More than I could have dreamed of yesterday.

i got some bowie multiple disc best of.  It included a single song from every album after tonight and none of them were even half way decent.  Tonight has "Blue Jean" on it as well as a few other decent songs.  I mean the album isn't very good but there is stuff worth listening to. 

I hadn't realized he hasn't toured in 9 years.  Hopefully he has a big tour and plays a lot of older songs. 

big tour??? He has a stroke or heart attack the last one and hasn't been seen since except for two pictures taken of him walking around NYC and another one at a movie festival.

A "big tour" is the last thing that is going to happen here. And I write the preceding words with the hope I will be proven wrong

This new album is a gift.



odds are 2 to 1 against a tour.  So pretty much even.  So if you are so sure about no tour you can bet on it and make yourself some money.

you're all bout  the benjamins eh mr scalperooni?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 08, 2013, 01:17:39 pm
"Ke$ha is headlining invite only Charity Event on 1/21 for RIAA at 9:30"

"Hip-hop star DJ Jazzy Jeff will be spinning records as the charity event?s official DJ."


Once again a outside interloping DJ gets to spin at a prime 9:30 event.  Curses you DJ Jazzy Jeff, this one should have been MINE.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 08, 2013, 01:39:56 pm
Rufus Wainwright tickets and Newport Folk Festival early bird tickets acquired.  Rufus show requires you to pick up the tickets at the door showing your ID.  I guess that is why I was able to get tickets. 

that, and no one cares for Rufus anymore... he doesn't exactly have buzz. 

he's not selling out a big festival (LOTS more tickets than DAR), so it doesn't mean a thing about scalping.

two different events.  Rufus is playing the 930 club.  I don't know what the official capacity is but it is a lot less than DAR.  Why don't people care about Rufus anymore?  his last album was pretty good. 

and the newport folk festival pre-sale sold out in a minute.   
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on January 08, 2013, 02:15:11 pm
"Ke$ha is headlining invite only Charity Event on 1/21 for RIAA at 9:30"

"Hip-hop star DJ Jazzy Jeff will be spinning records as the charity event?s official DJ."


Once again a outside interloping DJ gets to spin at a prime 9:30 event.  Curses you DJ Jazzy Jeff, this one should have been MINE.

Agreed!

I am strangely obsessed with Ke$ha! ugh.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 08, 2013, 05:02:55 pm
i thought she was in hiding . . . because every fucktard in this country was looking for every scapegoat they could find after the school shooting.  they were blaming kesha's "die young" and not the guns which actually shot the bullets.  fuck them too.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on January 08, 2013, 05:05:11 pm
She had to go in hiding for that song?  geez.

This is why I stay away from cnn.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on January 23, 2013, 09:42:09 am
Beach House w/ Lower Dens and "very special guest" - April 26th - Lyric

given the strong baltimore bill, my guess is another baltimore artist?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on January 23, 2013, 09:43:22 am
dan deacon?

Beach House w/ Lower Dens and "very special guest" - April 26th - Lyric

given the strong baltimore bill, my guess is another baltimore artist?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on January 23, 2013, 10:18:51 am
Joe Flacco on sax
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on January 23, 2013, 10:35:44 am
Kix?  The Ravyns?  AR-15?

Edit: excusez-moi
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 23, 2013, 10:51:36 am
dan deacon?

Beach House w/ Lower Dens and "very special guest" - April 26th - Lyric

given the strong baltimore bill, my guess is another baltimore artist?

i highly doubt dan deacon.  Why would you hide that dan deacon can't even sell out the ottobar these days. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 23, 2013, 10:51:38 am
Greenberry Woods, The Put-Outs, The Frauds?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 23, 2013, 11:07:41 am
Kix, duh.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on January 23, 2013, 11:10:32 am
Rapple Dapple = awesome. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on January 23, 2013, 11:12:57 am
they have a history with Dan Deacon...whartspace and all...it's a possibility.




i highly doubt dan deacon.  Why would you hide that dan deacon can't even sell out the ottobar these days. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 23, 2013, 11:16:36 am
Remember when they opened for Dan Deacon at The Warehouse Next Door and opened for Grizzly Bear and Papercuts at the Black Cat the following day?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on January 23, 2013, 11:25:53 am
Does anyone else think Beach House is incredibly dull and boring?  I want to like them because they're from Baltimore and I'm from Baltimore but I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on January 23, 2013, 11:27:36 am
I'm with you on that.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on January 23, 2013, 11:30:08 am
Does anyone else think Beach House is incredibly dull and boring?  I want to like them because they're from Baltimore and I'm from Baltimore but I just don't get it.

+1.  i don't get them.  they have a pretty song or two, but a whole album = boring.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 23, 2013, 11:36:24 am
Does anyone else think Beach House is incredibly dull and boring?  I want to like them because they're from Baltimore and I'm from Baltimore but I just don't get it.

I actually think they are the best band in the world right now.  Last 2 albums have been masterpieces.  And I was a big fan even before these albums were released. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on January 23, 2013, 11:49:47 am
I see the universe is properly aligned on its axis today.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on January 23, 2013, 11:51:29 am
i heart relaxer.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on January 23, 2013, 11:52:32 am
I see the universe is properly aligned on its axis today.

Comforting, in an odd way.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 23, 2013, 12:37:42 pm
I think it's the new Prince track that azaghal1981 tipped me to... Fuzzed out guitar, vintage Prince vocals... oh yeah!

http://youtu.be/9a6WwT9LNJw
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 24, 2013, 07:20:51 pm
Well I got good tickets in the Beach House pre-sale.  isn't it nice when all the tickets aren't pre-sold to scalpers.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 25, 2013, 05:38:23 pm
Can you see from section A at constitution hall?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on January 25, 2013, 06:27:21 pm
Well I got good tickets in the Beach House pre-sale.  isn't it nice when all the tickets aren't pre-sold to scalpers.
Can you see from section A at constitution hall?

*facepalm*

*sigh*... depending on the setup and exact seat location it can be OK, or you can have obstructed view.  either way you will be looking at the performers' profiles - you will be 90 degrees to them, directly off their left shoulders. you can actually be behind located the performers if they walk to the front of the stage.  sound typically isn't the best.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 28, 2013, 04:51:23 pm
totally agree with Hutch on this... But you can't keep the Bros and Soccer Moms from hearing that hit live.  It's gonna be a great show where 2k "die-fans" will have to put with a whole bunch more "fans" yacking away waiting for the hit, and leaving once it's over.  And the Gotye must be a masterpiece as well..

personally i'm waiting for Dry The River  to return with their no-hits selfs and listen to a real masterpiece live for the first time. They have played twice at the Black Cat Backstage, once at Iota.  Waiting for DC date for Milo Greene as well...


Personally I think this new paradigm where bands explode on the internet and go from playing coffeehouses to arenas in a few weeks is very problematic.. there is no way these bands are going to be able to put on anything remotely resembling a decent performance without having actually put  in the sweat and developed their performance and a stage act... People like James Brown or Mick Jagger worked for years to become quality performers. A guy like Elvis developed his stage show over a substantial period at the hayrides etc.. The most disturbing thing is the crowd probably won't even care as live performance sort of went out the window in the 1990s with the "you got to look like you're not trying to entertain people" approach

its a shame that bands no longer really have to earn it the hard way... I remember when bands would play the black cat a few times, graduate to the 930, play that a few times and maybe the lucky ones go up from there... nowadays these fly by night one hit on spotify (whatever that means) acts skip all the paying their dues/learning the ropes... but hey good luck to them and their fans.."
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 28, 2013, 11:00:38 pm
totally agree with Hutch on this... But you can't keep the Bros and Soccer Moms from hearing that hit live.  It's gonna be a great show where 2k "die-fans" will have to put with a whole bunch more "fans" yacking away waiting for the hit, and leaving once it's over.  And the Gotye must be a masterpiece as well..

personally i'm waiting for Dry The River  to return with their no-hits selfs and listen to a real masterpiece live for the first time. They have played twice at the Black Cat Backstage, once at Iota.  Waiting for DC date for Milo Greene as well...


Personally I think this new paradigm where bands explode on the internet and go from playing coffeehouses to arenas in a few weeks is very problematic.. there is no way these bands are going to be able to put on anything remotely resembling a decent performance without having actually put  in the sweat and developed their performance and a stage act... People like James Brown or Mick Jagger worked for years to become quality performers. A guy like Elvis developed his stage show over a substantial period at the hayrides etc.. The most disturbing thing is the crowd probably won't even care as live performance sort of went out the window in the 1990s with the "you got to look like you're not trying to entertain people" approach

its a shame that bands no longer really have to earn it the hard way... I remember when bands would play the black cat a few times, graduate to the 930, play that a few times and maybe the lucky ones go up from there... nowadays these fly by night one hit on spotify (whatever that means) acts skip all the paying their dues/learning the ropes... but hey good luck to them and their fans.."


the sad thing is you somehow think you are better than a soccer mom or a "bro". 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 29, 2013, 02:20:39 am
Yes.

Does anyone else think Beach House is incredibly dull and boring?  I want to like them because they're from Baltimore and I'm from Baltimore but I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: MonkeyPants on January 29, 2013, 05:14:20 pm
totally agree with Hutch on this... But you can't keep the Bros and Soccer Moms from hearing that hit live.  It's gonna be a great show where 2k "die-fans" will have to put with a whole bunch more "fans" yacking away waiting for the hit, and leaving once it's over.  And the Gotye must be a masterpiece as well..

personally i'm waiting for Dry The River  to return with their no-hits selfs and listen to a real masterpiece live for the first time. They have played twice at the Black Cat Backstage, once at Iota.  Waiting for DC date for Milo Greene as well...


Personally I think this new paradigm where bands explode on the internet and go from playing coffeehouses to arenas in a few weeks is very problematic.. there is no way these bands are going to be able to put on anything remotely resembling a decent performance without having actually put  in the sweat and developed their performance and a stage act... People like James Brown or Mick Jagger worked for years to become quality performers. A guy like Elvis developed his stage show over a substantial period at the hayrides etc.. The most disturbing thing is the crowd probably won't even care as live performance sort of went out the window in the 1990s with the "you got to look like you're not trying to entertain people" approach

its a shame that bands no longer really have to earn it the hard way... I remember when bands would play the black cat a few times, graduate to the 930, play that a few times and maybe the lucky ones go up from there... nowadays these fly by night one hit on spotify (whatever that means) acts skip all the paying their dues/learning the ropes... but hey good luck to them and their fans.."


I agree with Kosmo and Hutch...I just don't understand how a band with a single album gets booked at a place with more than 2K seats as anything other than an opening act. Now I'm not talking about pop sensations that are just commodities with huge, lip-synched stage shows. Let the kids go to that circus. It's not a real live show, anyway. But with supposedly legitimate artists, I don't think it serves the artist or the audience to have a band with about an hour's worth of material headline a huge venue like MPP. I like The Lumineers, but I thought their appearance on SNL demonstrated how they get swallowed up on a stage bigger than Iota's. We no longer give artists time to cut their teeth and learn how to fill a room with their sound, command an audience for more than the hit song, and get them interested in something more. Artists would be well-served by the experience. Yes, the Lumineers have been playing for more than a few months, but they still don't have more than about an hour's worth of material. I wish we'd let artists grow into a venue like MPP instead of getting as much cash out of their fans as possible based on one hit song.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on January 29, 2013, 05:24:13 pm
The problem is you guys think this is about music.  And it's not.

It's a business and it's about ticket sales and the promoter thinks he can sell enough tickets for a particular demographic to see a band play a larger venue, and he's going to take the risk based on his available evidence.

Given his track record, I'm guessing the promoter will be right. Again.   
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 29, 2013, 05:27:50 pm
vansmack are we going to have to have that talk again about talking sense on this forum?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 29, 2013, 05:46:18 pm
totally agree with Hutch on this... But you can't keep the Bros and Soccer Moms from hearing that hit live.  It's gonna be a great show where 2k "die-fans" will have to put with a whole bunch more "fans" yacking away waiting for the hit, and leaving once it's over.  And the Gotye must be a masterpiece as well..

personally i'm waiting for Dry The River  to return with their no-hits selfs and listen to a real masterpiece live for the first time. They have played twice at the Black Cat Backstage, once at Iota.  Waiting for DC date for Milo Greene as well...


Personally I think this new paradigm where bands explode on the internet and go from playing coffeehouses to arenas in a few weeks is very problematic.. there is no way these bands are going to be able to put on anything remotely resembling a decent performance without having actually put  in the sweat and developed their performance and a stage act... People like James Brown or Mick Jagger worked for years to become quality performers. A guy like Elvis developed his stage show over a substantial period at the hayrides etc.. The most disturbing thing is the crowd probably won't even care as live performance sort of went out the window in the 1990s with the "you got to look like you're not trying to entertain people" approach

its a shame that bands no longer really have to earn it the hard way... I remember when bands would play the black cat a few times, graduate to the 930, play that a few times and maybe the lucky ones go up from there... nowadays these fly by night one hit on spotify (whatever that means) acts skip all the paying their dues/learning the ropes... but hey good luck to them and their fans.."


I agree with Kosmo and Hutch...I just don't understand how a band with a single album gets booked at a place with more than 2K seats as anything other than an opening act. Now I'm not talking about pop sensations that are just commodities with huge, lip-synched stage shows. Let the kids go to that circus. It's not a real live show, anyway. But with supposedly legitimate artists, I don't think it serves the artist or the audience to have a band with about an hour's worth of material headline a huge venue like MPP. I like The Lumineers, but I thought their appearance on SNL demonstrated how they get swallowed up on a stage bigger than Iota's. We no longer give artists time to cut their teeth and learn how to fill a room with their sound, command an audience for more than the hit song, and get them interested in something more. Artists would be well-served by the experience. Yes, the Lumineers have been playing for more than a few months, but they still don't have more than about an hour's worth of material. I wish we'd let artists grow into a venue like MPP instead of getting as much cash out of their fans as possible based on one hit song.

i have seen artists with one album put on amazing shows.  For example CSS, Santigold, Of Monsters and Men, Keane.  With great stage presence.  Crowd singing along to every song.  I don't think there are many artists with no matter how much experience that can put on better shows than them.  You either have it or you don't.  You have bands that still just stand in one place and mutter an occasional thank you to the crowd after playing together for 30 years. 

People want to see a band you put them in a large venue.  Otherwise everyone is just going to take advantage of the situation and tickets become only available at unreasonable prices.  If artists only have an hour worth of material it just means there will be more openers. 

And it is more than one hit song.  Every song on their album is fantastic.  You act like their fans have only heard one song from them.  They have sold over 800,000 copies of their album.   I would think most people listen to more than one song on an album when they buy it. 

My Morning Jacket has had zero hits and they headlined MPP many a time. 

And at least with a band with one incredible album you don't have to here their crappy new songs that no one likes. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 29, 2013, 05:59:01 pm
The problem is you guys think this is about music.  And it's not.

It's a business and it's about ticket sales and the promoter thinks he can sell enough tickets for a particular demographic to see a band play a larger venue, and he's going to take the risk based on his available evidence.

Given his track record, I'm guessing the promoter will be right. Again.   

Exactly! They are into it for the money. We are into it for the love of music. Sometimes we forget that.

On one hand, I think the labels, promoters, etc., see that the audience has a desire for indies and other lesser known performers and are trying to make a buck on that thirst. Good. We can all question whom they back, especially when they don't appeal to us, but they have their reasons.

On the other hand, I'm not going to try to take any of these bands down because they got lucky by being noticed and taken under the wings of the guys with the backing. I don't like the way the record industry works but that's how it is for now. The promoters, by nature of the business, usually have to work with them in a way that's beneficial to both and hopefully, the artists. It's up to us whether or not we choose to attend these shows.

Personally, I don't like large venues so I'm usually pretty lucky myself with not having to decide whether or not I want to attend such places. Double luck that I tend to prefer bands who usually can only sell to an audience in a smaller venue.

As much as I want to agree with many of the points that Monkey Pants made, this isn't an ideal world and these bands need to pay their bills too in a dog eat dog industry. It would be nice if everyone advanced 'fairly' (whatever that would be) and not get the benefit of moving ahead 5 spaces while other well seasoned and talented acts keep barely filling rooms for 200 or so. That's just not the real world. Kind of makes me happier that I tend to prefer the lesser known bands and want to support them even more. Then again, I can't stand the rush to try to buy tickets to a highly coveted show that I really would not want to see in a much larger venue. That's just the breaks.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 29, 2013, 06:14:02 pm
The problem is you guys think this is about music.  And it's not.

It's a business and it's about ticket sales and the promoter thinks he can sell enough tickets for a particular demographic to see a band play a larger venue, and he's going to take the risk based on his available evidence.

Given his track record, I'm guessing the promoter will be right. Again.   

Exactly! They are into it for the money. We are into it for the love of music. Sometimes we forget that.

On one hand, I think the labels, promoters, etc., see that the audience has a desire for indies and other lesser known performers and are trying to make a buck on that thirst. Good. We can all question whom they back, especially when they don't appeal to us, but they have their reasons.

On the other hand, I'm not going to try to take any of these bands down because they got lucky by being noticed and taken under the wings of the guys with the backing. I don't like the way the record industry works but that's how it is for now. The promoters, by nature of the business, usually have to work with them in a way that's beneficial to both and hopefully, the artists. It's up to us whether or not we choose to attend these shows.

Personally, I don't like large venues so I'm usually pretty lucky myself with not having to decide whether or not I want to attend such places. Double luck that I tend to prefer bands who usually can only sell to an audience in a smaller venue.

As much as I want to agree with many of the points that Monkey Pants made, this isn't an ideal world and these bands need to pay their bills too in a dog eat dog industry. It would be nice if everyone advanced 'fairly' (whatever that would be) and not get the benefit of moving ahead 5 spaces while other well seasoned and talented acts keep barely filling rooms for 200 or so. That's just not the real world. Kind of makes me happier that I tend to prefer the lesser known bands and want to support them even more. Then again, I can't stand the rush to try to buy tickets to a highly coveted show that I really would not want to see in a much larger venue. That's just the breaks.

bands play bigger venues because more people like them.  how hard is that to understand?   A promoter is going to put a band in a venue that they think they will fill.  There is no point in putting U2 in the black cat.  there is no point putting Holly Go Lightly into MPP. 

It is nothing about record companies involved. If a band is popular a band will put them in big venues. If no one cares for a band they won't play anywhere. 

This is nothing to do about fairness.   IMHO Beach House should be headlining the Verizon Center.  But I am glad they are not.  I would rather see an artist at a smaller venue and I won't see bands at Verizon center and a band has to be awfully good for me to see them at the Patriot center.  For example, Sigur Ros.   

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on January 29, 2013, 06:37:28 pm
Beach House with Lumineers opening should headline Fedex field
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on January 29, 2013, 06:39:25 pm
in the case of atomicfront vs. the 930 forum: it's just that most posters on this board have seen the lumineers a dozen times.  maybe they were disguised as foster the people, or tame impala, or the xx,  or maybe .fun or whatever other band has a one or two album career that launched them into the spotlight. and after a while, some of us leave those shows and we say to ourselves "i got to start being more selective about my shows".  it's not that they make bad music; they are probably talented as shit and it's a pleasure to listen to their album. but it's nothing new, and their show probably lacks energy, and more often than not it's a waste of money and it's all too predictable.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 29, 2013, 06:48:06 pm
bands play bigger venues because more people like them.  how hard is that to understand?   A promoter is going to put a band in a venue that they think they will fill.  There is no point in putting U2 in the black cat.  there is no point putting Holly Go Lightly into MPP. 

It is nothing about record companies involved. If a band is popular a band will put them in big venues. If no one cares for a band they won't play anywhere. 

This is nothing to do about fairness.   IMHO Beach House should be headlining the Verizon Center.  But I am glad they are not.  I would rather see an artist at a smaller venue and I won't see bands at Verizon center and a band has to be awfully good for me to see them at the Patriot center.  For example, Sigur Ros.   

Damn, you are an arguementative little twit! Arguement for the sake of arguement. Probably trying to defend your love of certain bands whom you defended the other day that others took you down for. I wasn't one of them and, if anything, inadvertently defended you with my stance on labels bringing on new (to the big leagues) bands.

This discussion started by others questioning the legitamacy of those very same bands getting a push up and playing larger venues. To claim the record companies have nothing to do with it is very disengenious and not fair at all to their marketing departments. Who the hell do you think pays for all those ads plastered all over the intenet for Kings Of Leon and a lot of those other once Indie bands scooped up by the labels?

This has nothing to do with U2 (whom I detest), Sigur Ros (whom I adore), or other very accomplished bands in the business. Of course they will tend to play much larger venues. I don't even understand why you bothered to bring that up. They were wondering why certain younger/newer bands get a boost so quickly. Stay on track.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 29, 2013, 09:34:03 pm
I still say there is a little indie-rock devil with a Pitchfork shirt on (see what I did there?) running around NYC venues with contracts for bands to sign their souls away to.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 29, 2013, 10:56:44 pm
I still say there is a little indie-rock devil with a Pitchfork shirt on (see what I did there?) running around NYC venues with contracts for bands to sign their souls away to.

HaHaHaHa!!!! That's beautiful!!!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 30, 2013, 09:00:34 am
i wonder if anyone gets misted eyed when "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" shuffles up on their iPod.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 30, 2013, 09:59:22 am
people still use ipods?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 30, 2013, 11:19:22 am
people still use ipods?

I had one of those nanos but it keep getting put in the wash and it eventually stopped working.  a perfect instance of making something too small to be useful.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 30, 2013, 11:32:29 am
I bet your wife tells you that all the time.

people still use ipods?

I had one of those nanos but it keep getting put in the wash and it eventually stopped working.  a perfect instance of making something too small to be useful.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: nkotb on January 30, 2013, 11:34:41 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5g42ooYlw1rwcc6bo1_500.gif)

I bet your wife tells you that all the time.

people still use ipods?

I had one of those nanos but it keep getting put in the wash and it eventually stopped working.  a perfect instance of making something too small to be useful.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 30, 2013, 11:57:36 am
people still use ipods?

I had one of those nanos but it keep getting put in the wash and it eventually stopped working.  a perfect instance of making something too small to be useful.

You mean it worked after the 1st round? Amazing! The Timex of MP3 players.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 30, 2013, 11:59:50 am
people still use ipods?

I had one of those nanos but it keep getting put in the wash and it eventually stopped working.  a perfect instance of making something too small to be useful.

You mean it worked after the 1st round? Amazing! The Timex of MP3 players.

yeah it worked the first two times.  actually it still works in that I can sync up with my computer but the screen no longer works so that means i can't use it to play music. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on January 30, 2013, 12:21:52 pm
someone will get pissed...

BORIS

Night 1: All Time Classics - A night of songs spanning Boris' entire career including some songs they have never played live in the US!
Night 2: Flood - A performance of the cult classic album "Flood"
 
05/01 Washington DC @ Rock and Roll Hotel
05/02 Washington DC @ Rock and Roll Hotel

good couple of rock shows in a short period... goat, boris, and the men. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 30, 2013, 12:33:56 pm
Her full name is Zooey Claire Deschanel, and she was born on January 17th, 1980 in Los Angeles, California. She starred in several movies, such as "500 Days of Summer," "Yes Man," and "Elf." She is a semi-decent, but mainly overrated actress who likes to think of herself as some type of hipster.
Best known for her mediocre acting ability, 1960s haircut, large nose, rather nonexistant chest and booty, tree trunk legs, and nasally voice.
A: "Who is hotter, Katy Perry or Zooey Deschanel?"
B: "Katy Perry all the way! Zooey doesn't have much of a body and she's kind of annoying! Katy on the other hand is very attractive and can sing well!"

A: "Who's this Zooey Deschanel chick?"
B: "She's kind of a less-hot, Birkenstock wearing version of Katy Perry."
A: "Oh."
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on January 30, 2013, 12:36:32 pm
You mean it worked after the 1st round? Amazing! The Timex of MP3 players.

My ipod has gone through the wash probably a half dozen times. Still works like a charm. The ear buds never survive though. Pussies.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 30, 2013, 12:45:00 pm
Katy Perry is not much of a singer.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 30, 2013, 02:08:15 pm
I find Kat Dennings quite attractive but not enough to watch "Two Broke Girls".  On the other hand "The New Girl" is quite entertaining.  As for Katy Perry she doesn't really stand out to me in appearance.  But to each his own.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on January 30, 2013, 02:44:06 pm
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/specials/beauties/lookalikes/katy-perry-660.jpg)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on January 30, 2013, 03:13:02 pm
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/specials/beauties/lookalikes/katy-perry-660.jpg)

Is the one on the left a guy?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on January 30, 2013, 03:54:40 pm
Rookies (https://www.google.com/search?q=mila+kunis&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: RatBastard on January 30, 2013, 04:33:40 pm
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/specials/beauties/lookalikes/katy-perry-660.jpg)

Is that Kathy Griffin with a black wig?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on January 30, 2013, 04:45:45 pm
Rookies (https://www.google.com/search?q=mila+kunis&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi)

(http://girlstalkinsmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/milak-e1355415900265.jpg)

anyone got a cigarette
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 30, 2013, 10:21:38 pm
Movement festival in Detroit - May 25-27

Old guy alert, other than the obvious are there any notables on this list?  This is also the first phase of the line-up announcement

? A Tribe Called Red
? Amtrac
? Andy C
? Art Department
? Ben Klock b2b Marcel Dettmann
? Big Gigantic
? Brendon Moeller aka Ecologist
? Carl Craig
? Dave Clarke
? Dennis Ferrer
? Derrick May & Kevin Saunderson
? Drumcell
? DVS1
? George Fitzgerald
? Hatcha
? J.Phlip
? John Digweed
? Luke Slater / P.A.S. Live
? Maetrik
? Mala
? Mike Parker
? Nicole Moudaber
? Noisia
? Onra
? Paco Osuna
? Richie Hawtin
? Rrose
? Ryan Elliott
? Silent Servant
? Slam
? Steve Rachmad
? SuperVision
? Tensnake
? Terrence Parker
? The Bug
? The M Machine
? Tommy Four Seven
? Truncate
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: showlistdc on January 30, 2013, 10:32:24 pm
Siri, is that rain?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 30, 2013, 10:35:33 pm
nevermind i forgot that movement is not in cards this year...  "despite" the rave bunnies ;) it's was a good festival when i went several years ago.  and i doubt you'll hear any brostep there...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 30, 2013, 10:50:33 pm
Siri, is that rain?

this isn't Facebook we argue about everything but the weather here.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 30, 2013, 11:30:12 pm
Siri, is that rain?

this isn't Facebook we argue about everything but the weather here.

Oh, give us time. We'll all be arguing about the fucking weather (http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?where=20005) soon enough!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: MonkeyPants on January 31, 2013, 11:05:25 am
Katy Perry is not much of a singer.


Neither is Zooey...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: MonkeyPants on January 31, 2013, 11:16:00 am
totally agree with Hutch on this... But you can't keep the Bros and Soccer Moms from hearing that hit live.  It's gonna be a great show where 2k "die-fans" will have to put with a whole bunch more "fans" yacking away waiting for the hit, and leaving once it's over.  And the Gotye must be a masterpiece as well..

personally i'm waiting for Dry The River  to return with their no-hits selfs and listen to a real masterpiece live for the first time. They have played twice at the Black Cat Backstage, once at Iota.  Waiting for DC date for Milo Greene as well...


Personally I think this new paradigm where bands explode on the internet and go from playing coffeehouses to arenas in a few weeks is very problematic.. there is no way these bands are going to be able to put on anything remotely resembling a decent performance without having actually put  in the sweat and developed their performance and a stage act... People like James Brown or Mick Jagger worked for years to become quality performers. A guy like Elvis developed his stage show over a substantial period at the hayrides etc.. The most disturbing thing is the crowd probably won't even care as live performance sort of went out the window in the 1990s with the "you got to look like you're not trying to entertain people" approach

its a shame that bands no longer really have to earn it the hard way... I remember when bands would play the black cat a few times, graduate to the 930, play that a few times and maybe the lucky ones go up from there... nowadays these fly by night one hit on spotify (whatever that means) acts skip all the paying their dues/learning the ropes... but hey good luck to them and their fans.."


I agree with Kosmo and Hutch...I just don't understand how a band with a single album gets booked at a place with more than 2K seats as anything other than an opening act. Now I'm not talking about pop sensations that are just commodities with huge, lip-synched stage shows. Let the kids go to that circus. It's not a real live show, anyway. But with supposedly legitimate artists, I don't think it serves the artist or the audience to have a band with about an hour's worth of material headline a huge venue like MPP. I like The Lumineers, but I thought their appearance on SNL demonstrated how they get swallowed up on a stage bigger than Iota's. We no longer give artists time to cut their teeth and learn how to fill a room with their sound, command an audience for more than the hit song, and get them interested in something more. Artists would be well-served by the experience. Yes, the Lumineers have been playing for more than a few months, but they still don't have more than about an hour's worth of material. I wish we'd let artists grow into a venue like MPP instead of getting as much cash out of their fans as possible based on one hit song.

i have seen artists with one album put on amazing shows.  For example CSS, Santigold, Of Monsters and Men, Keane.  With great stage presence.  Crowd singing along to every song.  I don't think there are many artists with no matter how much experience that can put on better shows than them.  You either have it or you don't.  You have bands that still just stand in one place and mutter an occasional thank you to the crowd after playing together for 30 years. 

People want to see a band you put them in a large venue.  Otherwise everyone is just going to take advantage of the situation and tickets become only available at unreasonable prices.  If artists only have an hour worth of material it just means there will be more openers. 

And it is more than one hit song.  Every song on their album is fantastic.  You act like their fans have only heard one song from them.  They have sold over 800,000 copies of their album.   I would think most people listen to more than one song on an album when they buy it. 

My Morning Jacket has had zero hits and they headlined MPP many a time. 

And at least with a band with one incredible album you don't have to here their crappy new songs that no one likes. 

Don't get me wrong, I've seen artists with one album put on great shows, BUT not at giant venues (This applies to virtually all of the artists you list. Of Monsters and Men's last show was poorly paced, IMHO). Having been to many a sold out show in DC, I can say that most neophytes of the "Next Big Thing" spend the majority of their time at the shows talking or texting or anything but listening until the big song is played (whether it is officially a "hit" or not), and then they stream out of the venue once that song is played. Yes, these people will pay money to go to the show, and the poor artists have to cope with their shitty audience behavior. As for paying their bills, these artists are lucky to recoup their advances and lucky if they don't go bankrupt. It's not that I would begrudge them a larger audience, more album or single sales, or more ticket or merch sales. It's just that, I don't think it serves them or their fans in the end. Yes, I am an idealist. And as an idealist, I can complain all I want about it.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on January 31, 2013, 03:01:03 pm
Love the Unknown Mortal Orchestra/Foxygen lineup, but I will never go to rnrh EVER AGAIN.  Why can't this be someplace ELSE.

Here's hoping for an ottobar date.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: moeszyslak on January 31, 2013, 03:01:51 pm
http://www.spin.com/articles/ticketmaster-captcha-multiple-choice-questions-bots-scalpers (http://www.spin.com/articles/ticketmaster-captcha-multiple-choice-questions-bots-scalpers)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on January 31, 2013, 03:08:38 pm
Foxygen are headlining Golden West in Baltimore
2/26

Love the Unknown Mortal Orchestra/Foxygen lineup, but I will never go to rnrh EVER AGAIN.  Why can't this be someplace ELSE.

Here's hoping for an ottobar date.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on January 31, 2013, 04:58:21 pm
Siri, is that rain?

this isn't Facebook we argue about everything but the weather here.

Oh, give us time. We'll all be arguing about the fucking weather (http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?where=20005) soon enough!

Contrails.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 31, 2013, 05:05:44 pm
Siri, is that rain?

this isn't Facebook we argue about everything but the weather here.

Oh, give us time. We'll all be arguing about the fucking weather (http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?where=20005) soon enough!

Contrails.

Don't forget the square clouds
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on January 31, 2013, 05:11:33 pm
Don't forget the square clouds

What?!

All this time I thought they were the name of some hot indie band.  I need to update my FB profile.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 31, 2013, 06:02:08 pm
I see a few pretty notable names on that Movement lineup.


totally agree with Hutch on this... But you can't keep the Bros and Soccer Moms from hearing that hit live.  It's gonna be a great show where 2k "die-fans" will have to put with a whole bunch more "fans" yacking away waiting for the hit, and leaving once it's over.  And the Gotye must be a masterpiece as well..

personally i'm waiting for Dry The River  to return with their no-hits selfs and listen to a real masterpiece live for the first time. They have played twice at the Black Cat Backstage, once at Iota.  Waiting for DC date for Milo Greene as well...


Personally I think this new paradigm where bands explode on the internet and go from playing coffeehouses to arenas in a few weeks is very problematic.. there is no way these bands are going to be able to put on anything remotely resembling a decent performance without having actually put  in the sweat and developed their performance and a stage act... People like James Brown or Mick Jagger worked for years to become quality performers. A guy like Elvis developed his stage show over a substantial period at the hayrides etc.. The most disturbing thing is the crowd probably won't even care as live performance sort of went out the window in the 1990s with the "you got to look like you're not trying to entertain people" approach

its a shame that bands no longer really have to earn it the hard way... I remember when bands would play the black cat a few times, graduate to the 930, play that a few times and maybe the lucky ones go up from there... nowadays these fly by night one hit on spotify (whatever that means) acts skip all the paying their dues/learning the ropes... but hey good luck to them and their fans.."


I agree with Kosmo and Hutch...I just don't understand how a band with a single album gets booked at a place with more than 2K seats as anything other than an opening act. Now I'm not talking about pop sensations that are just commodities with huge, lip-synched stage shows. Let the kids go to that circus. It's not a real live show, anyway. But with supposedly legitimate artists, I don't think it serves the artist or the audience to have a band with about an hour's worth of material headline a huge venue like MPP. I like The Lumineers, but I thought their appearance on SNL demonstrated how they get swallowed up on a stage bigger than Iota's. We no longer give artists time to cut their teeth and learn how to fill a room with their sound, command an audience for more than the hit song, and get them interested in something more. Artists would be well-served by the experience. Yes, the Lumineers have been playing for more than a few months, but they still don't have more than about an hour's worth of material. I wish we'd let artists grow into a venue like MPP instead of getting as much cash out of their fans as possible based on one hit song.

i have seen artists with one album put on amazing shows.  For example CSS, Santigold, Of Monsters and Men, Keane.  With great stage presence.  Crowd singing along to every song.  I don't think there are many artists with no matter how much experience that can put on better shows than them.  You either have it or you don't.  You have bands that still just stand in one place and mutter an occasional thank you to the crowd after playing together for 30 years. 

People want to see a band you put them in a large venue.  Otherwise everyone is just going to take advantage of the situation and tickets become only available at unreasonable prices.  If artists only have an hour worth of material it just means there will be more openers. 

And it is more than one hit song.  Every song on their album is fantastic.  You act like their fans have only heard one song from them.  They have sold over 800,000 copies of their album.   I would think most people listen to more than one song on an album when they buy it. 

My Morning Jacket has had zero hits and they headlined MPP many a time. 

And at least with a band with one incredible album you don't have to here their crappy new songs that no one likes. 

Don't get me wrong, I've seen artists with one album put on great shows, BUT not at giant venues (This applies to virtually all of the artists you list. Of Monsters and Men's last show was poorly paced, IMHO). Having been to many a sold out show in DC, I can say that most neophytes of the "Next Big Thing" spend the majority of their time at the shows talking or texting or anything but listening until the big song is played (whether it is officially a "hit" or not), and then they stream out of the venue once that song is played. Yes, these people will pay money to go to the show, and the poor artists have to cope with their shitty audience behavior. As for paying their bills, these artists are lucky to recoup their advances and lucky if they don't go bankrupt. It's not that I would begrudge them a larger audience, more album or single sales, or more ticket or merch sales. It's just that, I don't think it serves them or their fans in the end. Yes, I am an idealist. And as an idealist, I can complain all I want about it.

This should be required reading (http://people.virginia.edu/~jrw3k/mediamatters/readings/cult_crit/Albini_The.Problem.With.Music.pdf) for all younger bands.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on January 31, 2013, 06:03:27 pm
Katy Perry is not much of a singer.


Neither is Zooey...
True
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 31, 2013, 06:06:45 pm
Don't forget the square clouds

What?!

All this time I thought they were the name of some hot indie band.  I need to update my FB profile.

It would appear that Square Clouds is not taken as a band name, then again I haven't searched Myspace ;)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on January 31, 2013, 11:45:12 pm
Siri, is that rain?

this isn't Facebook we argue about everything but the weather here.

Oh, give us time. We'll all be arguing about the fucking weather (http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?where=20005) soon enough!

Contrails.

Don't forget the square clouds

Man, that's an old one going way back to the old board. If you remember, that guy who started it blew in and right back out like the wind.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 01, 2013, 10:58:52 am
was that the person who really liked hot topic a lot?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 01, 2013, 11:00:24 am
so what is up with Bosnian Rainbows?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 02, 2013, 06:03:08 pm
what is the Johnny Marr show going to be like?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on February 02, 2013, 06:18:36 pm
what is the Johnny Marr show going to be like?

Crystal ball says....

"FUCKING AWESOME!!!"  (If you're a geezer.)

"It was okay but got boring and noodley. A bit derivative (of The Smiths  ;D)." (From the youngens who only know him to be ancient history.)

"Too many TALKERS in the crowd!!!!" (By all.)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 02, 2013, 10:52:23 pm
what is the Johnny Marr show going to be like?

Crystal ball says....

"FUCKING AWESOME!!!"  (If you're a geezer.)

"It was okay but got boring and noodley. A bit derivative (of The Smiths  ;D)." (From the youngens who only know him to be ancient history.)

"Too many TALKERS in the crowd!!!!" (By all.)

am a "geezer", I suppose, but am having trouble putting my arms around what its going to be like... does he really do Smiths songs? What does he play??? does he sing? Anyone seen him before?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 03, 2013, 12:42:10 am
I wonder if Zak Starkey is still his drummer.  His show at the Blackcat several years ago was pretty good as I recall.  Show wasn't great great, but at least the buzz is his new album is good..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chancegardener on February 03, 2013, 01:41:29 am
I was definitely underwhelmed by the Johnny Marr concert at the Black Cat a few years ago.  Zak was indeed the drummer and played well, but like he was in an arena backing the Who. Way too loud.  Marr's guitar playing was good, but the songs were blah and his voice was unmemorable. It was all a big let down, for sure.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 04, 2013, 10:35:08 am
Saw "FOB" in the Seth thread and had to look it up.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 04, 2013, 10:49:31 am
what is the Johnny Marr show going to be like?

Crystal ball says....

"FUCKING AWESOME!!!"  (If you're a geezer.)

"It was okay but got boring and noodley. A bit derivative (of The Smiths  ;D)." (From the youngens who only know him to be ancient history.)

"Too many TALKERS in the crowd!!!!" (By all.)

am a "geezer", I suppose, but am having trouble putting my arms around what its going to be like... does he really do Smiths songs? What does he play??? does he sing? Anyone seen him before?

i just heard a new song of his on the radio and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be..  he sings and it was upbeat. And from some of the setlist from 2011 it looks like he does some smiths songs.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 05, 2013, 11:15:45 am
Wish that Phoenix were heading their own MPP date or even  FreeFest appearence, instead of the Sweetlife festival.  Lots of ho-hum acts playing before they hit the stage, but more crowded them playing by themselves.  Does the Sweetlife festival extend in area like the FreeFest?

And what's up with Instagram presale nonsense.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 11:28:34 am
wow..Phoenix...this thing is going to sell out in 10 seconds
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 05, 2013, 11:32:49 am
Not sure why Phoenix gets top billing...I think kids are more familiar with Passion Pit and YYYs.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 05, 2013, 11:35:12 am
Wish that Phoenix were heading their own MPP date or even  FreeFest appearence, instead of the Sweetlife festival.  Lots of ho-hum acts playing before they hit the stage, but more crowded them playing by themselves.  Does the Sweetlife festival extend in area like the FreeFest?

And what's up with Instagram presale nonsense.

I was thinking a similar thought, I would prefer Yeah Yeah Yeahs to headline their own show at MPP.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 05, 2013, 11:35:40 am
Not sure why Phoenix gets top billing...I think kids are more familiar with Passion Pit and YYYs.

people like crappy throw away pop music. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 11:40:31 am
Not sure why Phoenix gets top billing...I think kids are more familiar with Passion Pit and YYYs.

I don't think so..I think Phoenix is way bigger.. that last album took a life of its own and kept selling and being spread around...

Remember Phoenix sold out DAR pretty quick and that was years ago.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on February 05, 2013, 11:58:24 am
i dig phoenix topping the bill. 

hearing lots of hype surrounding haerts.

i should be there.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 12:15:55 pm
remember Phoenix also played Madison Square Garden.. not sure how sales were at that show...

I can't see Yeah Yeah Yeahs or Passion Pit playing MSG
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 05, 2013, 12:26:54 pm
they are playing MSG this friday  ;D



I can't see Passion Pit playing MSG
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 12:28:10 pm
they are playing MSG this friday  ;D



I can't see Passion Pit playing MSG

oops boy did I walk into that one...

 :D

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 05, 2013, 12:47:35 pm
remember Phoenix also played Madison Square Garden.. not sure how sales were at that show...

I can't see Yeah Yeah Yeahs or Passion Pit playing MSG

Yeah Yeah Yeahs headlined Lollapalooza.  Huge crowd at their set.  Mostly chicks too. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 05, 2013, 12:55:35 pm
Does the Sweetlife festival extend in area like the FreeFest?

yes, there will be a second stage, the "treehouse stage".  i'm assuming it will be at the same spot as the freefest second stage, not sure where else they'd put it.  they can't put it at the top of the hill like they did at that one festival last year... too many acts, sets need to overlap (and that top-of-hill spot doesn't allow for overlapping).

And what's up with Instagram presale nonsense.

kids these days with their new-fnagled technologies...

Not sure why Phoenix gets top billing...I think kids are more familiar with Passion Pit and YYYs.

people like crappy throw away pop music. 

says the lumineers fan... ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on February 05, 2013, 12:56:18 pm
I remember Phoenix playing RNR Hotel for $18(?).

I think I sold my ticket for $40.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jesse on February 05, 2013, 01:54:15 pm
http://www.ticketfly.com/purchase/eventV2/221177/tfly

Sweetlife tickets are $95 to $150

This line up is good, but i do not think it's THAT good.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 05, 2013, 02:06:48 pm
http://www.ticketfly.com/purchase/eventV2/221177/tfly

Sweetlife tickets are $95 to $150

This line up is good, but i do not think it's THAT good.

pretty pricey. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 05, 2013, 02:15:54 pm
Swap out Franz Ferdinand for a couple of those mainstage bands and it would worthwhile to pay that to see full sets from two bands that rarely tour.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 04:12:21 pm
Swap out Franz Ferdinand for a couple of those mainstage bands and it would worthwhile to pay that to see full sets from two bands that rarely tour.


fully agree... am waiting on franz ferdinand to do something..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 04:25:20 pm
Breeders..wow may finally see them.. I saw the Amps at the 930 Club in the 1990s.. to me they were the Breeders but....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 05, 2013, 04:25:41 pm
I remember being close to being the only person watching Franz Ferdinand at Virgin Fest 2009.  
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 05, 2013, 04:33:02 pm
Breeders..wow may finally see them.. I saw the Amps at the 930 Club in the 1990s.. to me they were the Breeders but....

yes yes, breeders.  we shall meet and have a beer and talk about . . . oh i don't know, what do people talk about?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 05:50:26 pm
Breeders..wow may finally see them.. I saw the Amps at the 930 Club in the 1990s.. to me they were the Breeders but....

yes yes, breeders.  we shall meet and have a beer and talk about . . . oh i don't know, what do people talk about?


oh yah that is a good idea...i can't predict may but i'm pretty sure i'll be there so lets plan on that.. i'lll probably also be carting a record around hoping to get it signed but that is another matter entirely..


what do people talk about?

i don't know.. i talk about music............... a  lot
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 06:30:43 pm
so johnny marr is 20$?


that is not overpriced in my book.if tickets are available next time i'm at the club- probably jonathan richman- i'll get one
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 05, 2013, 06:43:53 pm
That is fair.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on February 05, 2013, 10:58:10 pm
so johnny marr is 20$?


that is not overpriced in my book.if tickets are available next time i'm at the club- probably jonathan richman- i'll get one

Even if you decide to nitpick on a few things, you will enjoy the evening.

Unlike what someone else posted the other day, I thought he was good when he played the Black Cat with the Healers. Would be nice if Zak Starkey is with him. Usually I'm not all that impressed one way or the other with drummers but he was one who blew me away. The man knows how to hold back when he should and bang it out when that is what is called for. Too many of them are all one level of bang and that's it. Johnny alone is a great guitar player and worth the night out regardless of who is with him.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 05, 2013, 11:03:02 pm
so johnny marr is 20$?


that is not overpriced in my book.if tickets are available next time i'm at the club- probably jonathan richman- i'll get one

Even if you decide to nitpick on a few things, you will enjoy the evening.

Unlike what someone else posted the other day, I thought he was good when he played the Black Cat with the Healers. Would be nice if Zak Starkey is with him. Usually I'm not all that impressed one way or the other with drummers but he was one who blew me away. The man knows how to hold back when he should and bang it out when that is what is called for. Too many of them are all one level of bang and that's it. Johnny alone is a great guitar player and worth the night out regardless of who is with him.

Zak Starkey is one of the best drummers in rock period.

I just hope there are still tickets available when I go see Richman....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 06, 2013, 11:27:13 am
Breeders..wow may finally see them.. I saw the Amps at the 930 Club in the 1990s.. to me they were the Breeders but....

yes yes, breeders.  we shall meet and have a beer and talk about . . . oh i don't know, what do people talk about?

Sad I will be out of town for the breeders.  their last show at the black cat was one of my favorites!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 06, 2013, 02:42:35 pm
Quote
Does my thinking Beck's sheet music "album" is a stupid gimmick make me a Scientologist hater?
I also think Tom Cruise sucks at acting.
.


I wonder why people say scientology isn't a real religion as it just filled with unbelievable ideas and they are just after your money.  Isn't that true of every religion?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on February 06, 2013, 03:19:16 pm
RE: Metz
I would get tickets ahead of time.  Its only ten bucks, and will probably sell out.  I will probably be there as well.  They sound a bit like a mix of Dope Body with A Place to Bury Strangers. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 06, 2013, 03:30:37 pm
I hate sell out shows there.  ugh.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 06, 2013, 03:33:17 pm
I hate all shows there. Ugh.

Well, not the shows themselves; just going there.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on February 06, 2013, 03:42:56 pm
Metz was my 2012 show of the year by a mile. They rock fabulously.

Hutch, why did you put the dollar sign after "20" in your Marr post? Are you a Canadian? You can tell me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 06, 2013, 04:14:31 pm
I hate all shows there. Ugh.

Well, not the shows themselves; just going there.

Why does everyone hate RNR so much? That area is striiideess better than it was a couple years ago. At least there's other bars and restaurants to go on that strip now and that street car construction is done finally.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 06, 2013, 04:25:57 pm
I hate all shows there. Ugh.

Well, not the shows themselves; just going there.

Why does everyone hate RNR so much? That area is striiideess better than it was a couple years ago. At least there's other bars and restaurants to go on that strip now and that street car construction is done finally.

If it's sold out, you can't see anything, you can't get to the bathroom, get a beer, move at all. They oversell the heck out of that place.  I understand what it's like to be at a sold out show, but at least at the 930 and black cat, you can still relatively see  wherever you are and get to a bathroom that isn't totally dank and depressing.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 06, 2013, 05:01:20 pm
I guess that's true, I usually don't have problems moving around in there, but sometimes it does get insanely crowded. I feel like it's no worse than Black Cat. The bar at RNR does fucking suck though.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 06, 2013, 07:36:58 pm
Security are stupid meatheads that feel as though they can push and shove their way anywhere and everywhere even in the most subdued crowds.
Sound is horrendous.
Shape of the room is inconvenient.
Still a pain to get to if you do not drive.
Plus all the politics that surround their ownership/promoters that have been talked about ad nauseam on this board.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 06, 2013, 07:49:50 pm
Security are stupid meatheads that feel as though they can push and shove their way anywhere and everywhere even in the most subdued crowds.
Sound is horrendous.
Shape of the room is inconvenient.
Still a pain to get to if you do not drive.
Plus all the politics that surround their ownership/promoters that have been talked about ad nauseam on this board.


that about covers it... i would add to the shape comment that if a show is well sold you can't see anything.

it is absolutely an atrocious venue and I think supporting it is a bad move unless you're a masochist and want to experience more painful shows...

i went last year for the white denim show (I got there late and was in the back.. I feel like I was not at the show..that is how bad the venue is)... and i loved the upstairs deck and the mid level bar with a jukebox full of 80s metal...  but the room where the show was put on- the  street level room if you will-  was just horrible..when i go see a show sight lines and sound are the most important thing and this place gets an F on both counts.. I suppose if you get there early you could be up front and see but the sound would surely still suck and you'd be pretty much trapped...

somebody compared it to the black cat... its very different because the room is long and narrow at the RNR Hotel where at the black cat its much wider..

I feel fairly confident I will never go back there...

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 06, 2013, 10:19:35 pm
RnR sucks if you are not up front.

That being said I will get a ticket to Metz, just in case I don't catch them at SXSW.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2013, 10:43:41 pm
i know rock clubs are supposed to get hot and sweaty, but i have never been as uncomfortable from the heat as i have at the RnR.

and a +1 to the bad sound, ridiculously badly shaped room, etc.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 06, 2013, 11:15:00 pm
I had to explain to somebody in 140 characters or less why I did not care for it not too long ago. It was a challenge.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 06, 2013, 11:41:50 pm
Geez I must have missed that Kate Nash is playing the black cat.  And why is she playing the black cat she should be playing someplace like MPP. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Unsanity on February 07, 2013, 05:11:25 am
Yeah the heat in RNR can be unbearable! The sound is the worst in the city as far I as I can tell. Yeah the shape of the room is weird and bad. They certainly do oversell shows. What a pain! That being said, they do book lots of great bands unfortunately. I do like the second floor and the roof top as well. But their whole first floor should be gutted.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 07, 2013, 10:32:07 am
The heat at RnRH doesn't quite rank up there with the old 930 but it is head and shoulders above any current venue.

And it is a pain in the ass to get to.

I like the rooftop bar but the walls kinda take away from that.  I like DC9's a lot better.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on February 07, 2013, 10:33:39 am
I'd take a sold out show at the hotel over a sold out show at 9:30 every day of the week.

I do agree that the FOR REAL SERIOUS GRRRR bouncers who come cleaving through the crowd with their flashlights are tiresome, the sound is the pits, and the shape of the room sucks. I can easily walk to shows there, though, so I'll never write it off completely
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 07, 2013, 10:59:30 am
the sound sucks, the place sucks, the bouncers suck, the shape sucks, the vibe sucks, the bar sucks, the food sucks, the life sucks, the name sucks . . . but i can walk there, so it's ok.

nice, relaxer.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on February 07, 2013, 11:12:35 am
Well now most of that is completely made up and wrong, so there we have another typical walkonby post. Yahtzee!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 07, 2013, 11:23:27 am
the sound sucks, the place sucks, the bouncers suck, the shape sucks, the vibe sucks, the bar sucks, the food sucks, the life sucks, the name sucks . . . but i can walk there, so it's ok.

nice, relaxer.
The rooftop is tits though. I also like the upstairs lounge areas. I don't think it's all that bad. Maybe security treats me better because I DJ there... I've never had a problem with them.

Also, aren't most security guards dicks? Or at least have dickish tendencies.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 07, 2013, 11:26:21 am
Well now most of that is completely made up and wrong, so there we have another typical walkonby post. Yahtzee!


you know me, like the back of your masterbating hand.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on February 07, 2013, 11:31:49 am
How can a man truly be monogamous when he has two hands?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on February 07, 2013, 11:32:13 am
My father asked me that very question the day I was born.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 07, 2013, 03:41:15 pm
2 hands: 1 for your partner and the other for you.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 07, 2013, 03:43:09 pm
How does Joint Custody have shows? Sure, I've tripped over the amp sitting by the door before....but the place can't hold more than a dozen people. Can it?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 07, 2013, 03:54:31 pm
It is a tight squeeze. The one show I saw there was a sweaty mess but still kinda fun. Did not help that it was in late June.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 07, 2013, 06:05:14 pm
Scott Weiland
The Howard
3-11
"Scott will perform the Stone Temple Pilots albums Purple and Core in their entirety."

wonder how the rest of the band feels? I thought the band was going to do a 20th anniversary Purple tour...

tickets are $39.50 in advance and $45 at the door....not exactly cheap.

Heroin isn't cheap. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 07, 2013, 06:16:55 pm
I think Slash is right and Weiland has been fired from Stone Temple Pilots.....
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 08, 2013, 02:50:04 pm
ignore the troll, hutch!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 08, 2013, 02:53:05 pm
ignore the troll, hutch!


yes yes I must be stronger.......


back to the drawing board for me.


anyways i bought a ticket to the sweetlife thing.. can't believe i bought a vip ticket....$169 all included...  it better be incredible.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 11, 2013, 11:43:28 pm
The Feelies
3-27


almost surely there goes my trek to the Ottobar...


Dogfish Head Craft Brewery Presents
The Feelies
Wed 3/27
7:00 pm
This event is 21 and over
A Beer-Music-Mash-Up fit for the craft brewers conference featuring a killer lineup of craft beer, the launch of Firefly Ale and a live performance by The Feelies. 21+ to enter.


I think I'll stick to the Ottobar.

really?  why?

i see a great band playing along with a good beer selection on offer at the bar.  at worse there might a 2-minute "speech" by a brewery rep touting the new beer.  no worse than a radio dj intro'ing the band and plugging his radio station, IMO.

are y'all afraid that this will be more about the beer than the band?  really?

or that this is a brewery conference related event, so the crowd won't be hipsterific enough?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 11, 2013, 11:53:30 pm
The Feelies
3-27


almost surely there goes my trek to the Ottobar...


Dogfish Head Craft Brewery Presents
The Feelies
Wed 3/27
7:00 pm
This event is 21 and over
A Beer-Music-Mash-Up fit for the craft brewers conference featuring a killer lineup of craft beer, the launch of Firefly Ale and a live performance by The Feelies. 21+ to enter.


I think I'll stick to the Ottobar.

really?  why?

i see a great band playing along with a good beer selection on offer at the bar.  at worse there might a 2-minute "speech" by a brewery rep touting the new beer.  no worse than a radio dj intro'ing the band and plugging his radio station, IMO.

are y'all afraid that this will be more about the beer than the band?  really?

or that this is a brewery conference related event, so the crowd won't be hipsterific enough?

honestly, I just thought it might cut into the band's time and the focus on the band..

and if anything i thought the crowd might be too hipsterish... ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 12, 2013, 12:58:00 am
The Feelies
3-27


almost surely there goes my trek to the Ottobar...


Dogfish Head Craft Brewery Presents
The Feelies
Wed 3/27
7:00 pm
This event is 21 and over
A Beer-Music-Mash-Up fit for the craft brewers conference featuring a killer lineup of craft beer, the launch of Firefly Ale and a live performance by The Feelies. 21+ to enter.


I think I'll stick to the Ottobar.

really?  why?

i see a great band playing along with a good beer selection on offer at the bar.  at worse there might a 2-minute "speech" by a brewery rep touting the new beer.  no worse than a radio dj intro'ing the band and plugging his radio station, IMO.

are y'all afraid that this will be more about the beer than the band?  really?

or that this is a brewery conference related event, so the crowd won't be hipsterific enough?

honestly, I just thought it might cut into the band's time and the focus on the band..

and if anything i thought the crowd might be too hipsterish... ;D

(http://509899.cache1.evolutionhosting.com/wp-content/uploads/JEK_7708.jpg)

I don't think we need to worry about it being too hipsterish. (http://www.craftbrewersconference.com/)

But to echo Hutch, I think that it would detract from the show. I couldn't care less about the product since I'm a nondrinker but this reeks of a grown-up frat party, if such a thing exists.

More power to The Feelies, however. I don't know what their day jobs are but they and their family commitments are obviously important enough to limit their gigs to northeast weekends (sorry, rest of the world!). This gig probably pays enough for them to miss work in the middle of the week. Or maybe one of them is involved in the trade.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 12, 2013, 11:22:16 am
XX is headlining at MPP?  That seems like a terrible fit.  Their second album was awful and they are too mellow for a place that big.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on February 12, 2013, 11:42:49 am
Had to look up the Dogfish/Feelies event to find out where it is. Hope against hope had me wondering if it was at their Rehoboth location as this side of the Bay is usually devoid of any worthwhile music. Of course, we lose out again.


On the other hand, for Kosmo:

Cliff Hillis has 2 shows coming up this month. You and Kosmette ought to take a little trek to the beach.

Friday Feb. 15th
8:00PM
Fager's Island
Ocean City, MD
Part of the Songwriters On The Bay event.

"Fager's Island and GoodCleanFunLife.com will host six of the Mid-Atlantic's finest songwriters and performers from multiple genres on the main stage. Nate Clendenen (Ocean City, MD), Blake Haley (Ocean City, MD), Cliff Hillis (Philadelphia, PA), Robert Mabe (Winchester, VA), Nancy Micciulla (Rehoboth Beach, DE), and Skribe (Annapolis, MD) will all be on the same stage sharing original songs, along with their favorite cover material, throughout the evening in a Dinner Theater setting. For fans of great rock, pop, country, blues, bluegrass, and folk music, this event is not to be missed. Come early, bring your family and friends, have dinner and watch the best gathering of independent songwriters for 200 miles in any direction. Admission is free and Fager's Island will be featuring food and drink specials all night."

Friday Feb. 22nd
10:00PM
Dogfish Head Brewings & Eats
Rehoboth Beach, DE
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on February 12, 2013, 12:13:45 pm
I adore the Feelies and applaud anything that gets them back at the 9:30 Club. And for the person who said that people who don't drink are boring, all I can say is that I'd rather deal with a sober person than an abusive alcoholic. I'm so happy I don't look at the world with such a miopic view.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 12, 2013, 12:17:02 pm
My little sister was straight edge for a little while as a teen.  She got a tattoo reading "stright edge" in big letters across her stomach.

True Story.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 12, 2013, 12:26:16 pm
Hemingway said he didn't trust anyone who didn't drink..


I think people who drink don't like to be around others who don't drink cause it makes them feel bad about drinking... Hemingway was an alcoholic

People who only can have "fun" when drinking naturally think if others don't drink they can't be fun...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 12, 2013, 12:30:18 pm
Hemingway said he didn't trust anyone who didn't drink..


I think people who drink don't like to be around others who don't drink cause it makes them feel bad about drinking... Hemingway was an alcoholic

People who only can have "fun" when drinking naturally think if others don't drink they can't be fun...

Why would I feel bad about drinking?? It is good for your health.  People who don't drink most likely had a parent who was an alcoholic or have some dumb religion that wants to control people by telling them what they can and can't do.

I can have fun without drinking.  But I don't go hang out with friends at a bar who are drinking and dont' drink that would just be annoying for me.  Pregnant women are the exception to the rule that people who dont' drink are boring. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on February 12, 2013, 12:33:05 pm
Do you ever get tired of saying idiotic things, or does it amuse you? 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 12, 2013, 12:34:26 pm
But I don't go hang out with friends at a bar who are drinking and dont' drink that would just be annoying for me.

You should check out this new thing called a "designated driver."
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 12, 2013, 12:36:42 pm
Do you ever get tired of saying idiotic things, or does it amuse you? 

why is idiotic to say people who don't drink are boring.  It is a pretty obvious fact.  Why wouldn't you drink?  Look up all the health benefits of drinking.  Better for you heart, helps against diabetes, helps against alzheimers.  Lowers cholesterol.  And plus it is fun. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 12, 2013, 12:37:10 pm
But I don't go hang out with friends at a bar who are drinking and dont' drink that would just be annoying for me.

You should check out this new thing called a "designated driver."

You should check out this new thing called "taxi cab".
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on February 12, 2013, 12:41:47 pm
Do you ever get tired of saying idiotic things, or does it amuse you? 

why is idiotic to say people who don't drink are boring.  It is a pretty obvious fact.  Why wouldn't you drink?  Look up all the health benefits of drinking.  Better for you heart, helps against diabetes, helps against alzheimers.  Lowers cholesterol.  And plus it is fun. 

if anyone was still on the fence of atomicfront being an obvious troll, this is conclusive evidence.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on February 12, 2013, 12:42:08 pm
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm
Quote
    ALCOHOL?S DAMAGING EFFECTS ON THE BRAIN

    Difficulty walking, blurred vision, slurred speech, slowed reaction times, impaired memory: Clearly, alcohol affects the brain. Some of these impairments are detectable after only one or two drinks and quickly resolve when drinking stops. On the other hand, a person who drinks heavily over a long period of time may have brain deficits that persist well after he or she achieves sobriety. Exactly how alcohol affects the brain and the likelihood of reversing the impact of heavy drinking on the brain remain hot topics in alcohol research today.

    We do know that heavy drinking may have extensive and far?reaching effects on the brain, ranging from simple ?slips? in memory to permanent and debilitating conditions that require lifetime custodial care. And even moderate drinking leads to short?term impairment, as shown by extensive research on the impact of drinking on driving.

    A number of factors influence how and to what extent alcohol affects the brain (1), including

        how much and how often a person drinks;
        the age at which he or she first began drinking, and how long he or she has been drinking;
        the person?s age, level of education, gender, genetic background, and family history of alcoholism;
        whether he or she is at risk as a result of prenatal alcohol exposure; and
        his or her general health status.

    This Alcohol Alert reviews some common disorders associated with alcohol?related brain damage and the people at greatest risk for impairment. It looks at traditional as well as emerging therapies for the treatment and prevention of alcohol?related disorders and includes a brief look at the high?tech tools that are helping scientists to better understand the effects of alcohol on the brain.
    BLACKOUTS AND MEMORY LAPSES

    Alcohol can produce detectable impairments in memory after only a few drinks and, as the amount of alcohol increases, so does the degree of impairment. Large quantities of alcohol, especially when consumed quickly and on an empty stomach, can produce a blackout, or an interval of time for which the intoxicated person cannot recall key details of events, or even entire events.

    Blackouts are much more common among social drinkers than previously assumed and should be viewed as a potential consequence of acute intoxication regardless of age or whether the drinker is clinically dependent on alcohol (2). White and colleagues (3) surveyed 772 college undergraduates about their experiences with blackouts and asked, ?Have you ever awoken after a night of drinking not able to remember things that you did or places that you went?? Of the students who had ever consumed alcohol, 51 percent reported blacking out at some point in their lives, and 40 percent reported experiencing a blackout in the year before the survey. Of those who reported drinking in the 2 weeks before the survey, 9.4 percent said they blacked out during that time. The students reported learning later that they had participated in a wide range of potentially dangerous events they could not remember, including vandalism, unprotected sex, and driving.

    Binge Drinking and Blackouts

    ? Drinkers who experience blackouts typically drink too much and too quickly, which causes their blood alcohol levels to rise very rapidly. College students may be at particular risk for experiencing a blackout, as an alarming number of college students engage in binge drinking. Binge drinking, for a typical adult, is defined as consuming five or more drinks in about 2 hours for men, or four or more drinks for women.

    Equal numbers of men and women reported experiencing blackouts, despite the fact that the men drank significantly more often and more heavily than the women. This outcome suggests that regardless of the amount of alcohol consumption, females?a group infrequently studied in the literature on blackouts?are at greater risk than males for experiencing blackouts. A woman?s tendency to black out more easily probably results from differences in how men and women metabolize alcohol. Females also may be more susceptible than males to milder forms of alcohol?induced memory impairments, even when men and women consume comparable amounts of alcohol (4).
    ARE WOMEN MORE VULNERABLE TO ALCOHOL?S EFFECTS ON THE BRAIN?

    Women are more vulnerable than men to many of the medical consequences of alcohol use. For example, alcoholic women develop cirrhosis (5), alcohol?induced damage of the heart muscle (i.e., cardiomyopathy) (6), and nerve damage (i.e., peripheral neuropathy) (7) after fewer years of heavy drinking than do alcoholic men. Studies comparing men and women?s sensitivity to alcohol?induced brain damage, however, have not been as conclusive.

    Using imaging with computerized tomography, two studies (8,9) compared brain shrinkage, a common indicator of brain damage, in alcoholic men and women and reported that male and female alcoholics both showed significantly greater brain shrinkage than control subjects. Studies also showed that both men and women have similar learning and memory problems as a result of heavy drinking (10). The difference is that alcoholic women reported that they had been drinking excessively for only about half as long as the alcoholic men in these studies. This indicates that women?s brains, like their other organs, are more vulnerable to alcohol?induced damage than men?s (11).

    Yet other studies have not shown such definitive findings. In fact, two reports appearing side by side in the American Journal of Psychiatry contradicted each other on the question of gender?related vulnerability to brain shrinkage in alcoholism (12,13). Clearly, more research is needed on this topic, especially because alcoholic women have received less research attention than alcoholic men despite good evidence that women may be particularly vulnerable to alcohol?s effects on many key organ systems.
    BRAIN DAMAGE FROM OTHER CAUSES

    People who have been drinking large amounts of alcohol for long periods of time run the risk of developing serious and persistent changes in the brain. Damage may be a result of the direct effects of alcohol on the brain or may result indirectly, from a poor general health status or from severe liver disease.

    For example, thiamine deficiency is a common occurrence in people with alcoholism and results from poor overall nutrition. Thiamine, also known as vitamin B1, is an essential nutrient required by all tissues, including the brain. Thiamine is found in foods such as meat and poultry; whole grain cereals; nuts; and dried beans, peas, and soybeans. Many foods in the United States commonly are fortified with thiamine, including breads and cereals. As a result, most people consume sufficient amounts of thiamine in their diets. The typical intake for most Americans is 2 mg/day; the Recommended Daily Allowance is 1.2 mg/day for men and 1.1 mg/day for women (14).
    Wernicke?Korsakoff Syndrome

    Up to 80 percent of alcoholics, however, have a deficiency in thiamine (15), and some of these people will go on to develop serious brain disorders such as Wernicke?Korsakoff syndrome (WKS) (16). WKS is a disease that consists of two separate syndromes, a short?lived and severe condition called Wernicke?s encephalopathy and a long?lasting and debilitating condition known as Korsakoff?s psychosis.

    The symptoms of Wernicke?s encephalopathy include mental confusion, paralysis of the nerves that move the eyes (i.e., oculomotor disturbances), and difficulty with muscle coordination. For example, patients with Wernicke?s encephalopathy may be too confused to find their way out of a room or may not even be able to walk. Many Wernicke?s encephalopathy patients, however, do not exhibit all three of these signs and symptoms, and clinicians working with alcoholics must be aware that this disorder may be present even if the patient shows only one or two of them. In fact, studies performed after death indicate that many cases of thiamine deficiency?related encephalopathy may not be diagnosed in life because not all the ?classic? signs and symptoms were present or recognized.
    Human Brain

    Regions vulnerable to alcohol

    Schematic drawing of the human brain, showing regions vulnerable to alcoholism-related abnormalities.

    Approximately 80 to 90 percent of alcoholics with Wernicke?s encephalopathy also develop Korsakoff?s psychosis, a chronic and debilitating syndrome characterized by persistent learning and memory problems. Patients with Korsakoff?s psychosis are forgetful and quickly frustrated and have difficulty with walking and coordination (17). Although these patients have problems remembering old information (i.e., retrograde amnesia), it is their difficulty in ?laying down? new information (i.e., anterograde amnesia) that is the most striking. For example, these patients can discuss in detail an event in their lives, but an hour later might not remember ever having the conversation.

    Treatment

    The cerebellum, an area of the brain responsible for coordinating movement and perhaps even some forms of learning, appears to be particularly sensitive to the effects of thiamine deficiency and is the region most frequently damaged in association with chronic alcohol consumption. Administering thiamine helps to improve brain function, especially in patients in the early stages of WKS. When damage to the brain is more severe, the course of care shifts from treatment to providing support to the patient and his or her family (18). Custodial care may be necessary for the 25 percent of patients who have permanent brain damage and significant loss of cognitive skills (19).

    Scientists believe that a genetic variation could be one explanation for why only some alcoholics with thiamine deficiency go on to develop severe conditions such as WKS, but additional studies are necessary to clarify how genetic variants might cause some people to be more vulnerable to WKS than others.
    LIVER DISEASE

    Most people realize that heavy, long?term drinking can damage the liver, the organ chiefly responsible for breaking down alcohol into harmless byproducts and clearing it from the body. But people may not be aware that prolonged liver dysfunction, such as liver cirrhosis resulting from excessive alcohol consumption, can harm the brain, leading to a serious and potentially fatal brain disorder known as hepatic encephalopathy (20).

    Hepatic encephalopathy can cause changes in sleep patterns, mood, and personality; psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and depression; severe cognitive effects such as shortened attention span; and problems with coordination such as a flapping or shaking of the hands (called asterixis). In the most serious cases, patients may slip into a coma (i.e., hepatic coma), which can be fatal.

    New imaging techniques have enabled researchers to study specific brain regions in patients with alcoholic liver disease, giving them a better understanding of how hepatic encephalopathy develops. These studies have confirmed that at least two toxic substances, ammonia and manganese, have a role in the development of hepatic encephalopathy. Alcohol?damaged liver cells allow excess amounts of these harmful byproducts to enter the brain, thus harming brain cells.

    Treatment

    Physicians typically use the following strategies to prevent or treat the development of hepatic encephalopathy.

        Treatment that lowers blood ammonia concentrations, such as administering L?ornithine L?aspartate.

        Techniques such as liver?assist devices, or ?artificial livers,? that clear the patients? blood of harmful toxins. In initial studies, patients using these devices showed lower amounts of ammonia circulating in their blood, and their encephalopathy became less severe (21).

        Liver transplantation, an approach that is widely used in alcoholic cirrhotic patients with severe (i.e., end?stage) chronic liver failure. In general, implantation of a new liver results in significant improvements in cognitive function in these patients (22) and lowers their levels of ammonia and manganese (23).

    ALCOHOL AND THE DEVELOPING BRAIN

    Drinking during pregnancy can lead to a range of physical, learning, and behavioral effects in the developing brain, the most serious of which is a collection of symptoms known as fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS). Children with FAS may have distinct facial features (see illustration). FAS infants also are markedly smaller than average. Their brains may have less volume (i.e., microencephaly). And they may have fewer numbers of brain cells (i.e., neurons) or fewer neurons that are able to function correctly, leading to long?term problems in learning and behavior.
    Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

    FAS facial features

    Children with fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS) may have distinct facial features.

    Treatment

    Scientists are investigating the use of complex motor training and medications to prevent or reverse the alcohol?related brain damage found in people prenatally exposed to alcohol (24). In a study using rats, Klintsova and colleagues (25) used an obstacle course to teach complex motor skills, and this skills training led to a re?organization in the adult rats? brains (i.e., cerebellum), enabling them to overcome the effects of the prenatal alcohol exposure. These findings have important therapeutic implications, suggesting that complex rehabilitative motor training can improve motor performance of children, or even adults, with FAS.

    Scientists also are looking at the possibility of developing medications that can help alleviate or prevent brain damage, such as that associated with FAS. Studies using animals have yielded encouraging results for treatments using antioxidant therapy and vitamin E. Other preventive therapies showing promise in animal studies include 1?octanol, which ironically is an alcohol itself. Treatment with l?octanol significantly reduced the severity of alcohol?s effects on developing mouse embryos (26). Two molecules associated with normal development (i.e., NAP and SAL) have been found to protect nerve cells against a variety of toxins in much the same way that octanol does (27). And a compound (MK?801) that blocks a key brain chemical associated with alcohol withdrawal (i.e., glutamate) also is being studied. MK?801 reversed a specific learning impairment that resulted from early postnatal alcohol exposure (28).

    Though these compounds were effective in animals, the positive results cited here may or may not translate to humans. Not drinking during pregnancy is the best form of prevention; FAS remains the leading preventable birth defect in the United States today.
    GROWING NEW BRAIN CELLS

    For decades scientists believed that the number of nerve cells in the adult brain was fixed early in life. If brain damage occurred, then, the best way to treat it was by strengthening the existing neurons, as new ones could not be added. In the 1960s, however, researchers found that new neurons are indeed generated in adulthood?a process called neurogenesis (29). These new cells originate from stem cells, which are cells that can divide indefinitely, renew themselves, and give rise to a variety of cell types. The discovery of brain stem cells and adult neurogenesis provides a new way of approaching the problem of alcohol?related changes in the brain and may lead to a clearer understanding of how best to treat and cure alcoholism (30).

    For example, studies with animals show that high doses of alcohol lead to a disruption in the growth of new brain cells; scientists believe it may be this lack of new growth that results in the long?term deficits found in key areas of the brain (such as hippocampal structure and function) (31,32). Understanding how alcohol interacts with brain stem cells and what happens to these cells in alcoholics is the first step in establishing whether the use of stem cell therapies is an option for treatment (33).
    SUMMARY

    Alcoholics are not all alike. They experience different degrees of impairment, and the disease has different origins for different people. Consequently, researchers have not found conclusive evidence that any one variable is solely responsible for the brain deficits found in alcoholics. Characterizing what makes some alcoholics vulnerable to brain damage whereas others are not remains the subject of active research (34).

    The good news is that most alcoholics with cognitive impairment show at least some improvement in brain structure and functioning within a year of abstinence, though some people take much longer (35?37). Clinicians must consider a variety of treatment methods to help people stop drinking and to recover from alcohol?related brain impairments, and tailor these treatments to the individual patient.

    Advanced technology will have an important role in developing these therapies. Clinicians can use brain?imaging techniques to monitor the course and success of treatment, because imaging can reveal structural, functional, and biochemical changes in living patients over time. Promising new medications also are in the early stages of development, as researchers strive to design therapies that can help prevent alcohol?s harmful effects and promote the growth of new brain cells to take the place of those that have been damaged by alcohol.



Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 12, 2013, 12:44:17 pm
Do you ever get tired of saying idiotic things, or does it amuse you? 

why is idiotic to say people who don't drink are boring.  It is a pretty obvious fact.  Why wouldn't you drink?  Look up all the health benefits of drinking.  Better for you heart, helps against diabetes, helps against alzheimers.  Lowers cholesterol.  And plus it is fun. 

if anyone was still on the fence of atomicfront being an obvious troll, this is conclusive evidence.

How is that trolling.  Everyone I know would agree. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 12, 2013, 12:46:33 pm
I won't have a huge quote.  But here is an article summarizing all the studies showing that drinkers live longer than non drinkers.  Quite extensive.  I can't believe all of you don't drink. How can you go to so many shows without drinking?  The 930 club must hate you all for going to their shows. 

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/AlcoholAndHealth.html (http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/AlcoholAndHealth.html)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 12, 2013, 01:10:02 pm
Aren't most shows 16 or 18 and up? I love drinking, but I don't drink every time I go to a show at 930.

I have a couple straight edge friends, it doesn't bother them that I drink, it doesn't bother me that they drink.

Aren't you King "Who Cares About What Other People Have To Say"?

Who cares, man.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on February 12, 2013, 01:40:14 pm
Aren't most shows 16 or 18 and up?

The vast majority of 930 shows are all ages. Shows sponsored by boozers are 21+. Some shows are age restricted by request of the artist (Justin Timberlake's show produced a lot of comment).

And then there's Blowoff  :o
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on February 12, 2013, 01:45:38 pm
My little sister was straight edge for a little while as a teen.  She got a tattoo reading "stright edge" in big letters across her stomach.

True Story.


She sounds pretty hot.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 12, 2013, 01:53:43 pm
My little sister was straight edge for a little while as a teen.  She got a tattoo reading "stright edge" in big letters across her stomach.

True Story.


She sounds pretty hot.

i thought you preferred lower back...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on February 12, 2013, 01:58:26 pm
i thought you preferred lower back...

There are so many ways to take that, but I'm guessing K8's lil' sister has one there too.

Confirm?  With photos?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: reggie on February 12, 2013, 02:01:30 pm
so I'm stoked that FOALS are playing 930 club but kinda annoyed that I'll have to sit through Surfer Blood and their whole domestic violence act
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on February 12, 2013, 02:21:07 pm
Non drinker/drugger.  Have done extensive research in this department for a large chunk of my life.  Take my word for it I'm a much less boring person w/out booze or drugs.

I could care less what other people do as long is it doesn't harm me or anyone else, and I could care less if someone thinks I'd be a better more interesting person if I drank.  But I'd still tell them they are a fucking idiot and don't know what they are talking about.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: fatskippy on February 12, 2013, 02:39:11 pm
I don't care what people do, but the whole concept of "straight edge" is ridiculous. You don't partake in drugs or alcohol, that doesn't make you part of some movement.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on February 12, 2013, 02:43:40 pm
I don't care what people do, but the whole concept of "straight edge" is ridiculous. You don't partake in drugs or alcohol, that doesn't make you part of some movement.
Straight edge is funny...but each to his own.  It always seemed to judgy to me.  I don't see anything morally wrong with drink/drugs (taken on their own).
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 12, 2013, 02:54:58 pm
i thought you preferred lower back...

There are so many ways to take that, but I'm guessing K8's lil' sister has one there too.

Confirm?  With photos?

She has since covered up the stright edge...has both sleeves done...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 12, 2013, 02:56:39 pm
I'm cool with people who are straight edge.  Very supportive people, albeit a bit judgy but I think that's mostly because at the time we were all teenagers, and were pretty judgmental in general.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 12, 2013, 03:00:46 pm
I don't care what people do, but the whole concept of "straight edge" is ridiculous. You don't partake in drugs or alcohol, that doesn't make you part of some movement.

you also don't have sex or smoke.  It is fine for 13 year olds.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 12, 2013, 03:12:44 pm
I'm cool with people who are straight edge.  Very supportive people, albeit a bit judgy but I think that's mostly because at the time we were all teenagers, and were pretty judgmental in general.
There are a lot of straight edge dickheads in Richmond, at least around college age. I remember going to house parties and those straight edge cunts riding up on their bikes and throwing bottles through peoples windows because people were in there drinking or smoking. It never made sense to me.

I thought about going straight edge recently...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 12, 2013, 03:32:07 pm
most straight edge people are punk fucks who demand everybody think and act like them all the time.  only they are right, everybody else is wrong. 

they sound like organized religion.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 12, 2013, 03:43:51 pm
When I was a freshman in college my roommate took me to a kegger and told me to drink beer.   I told him I didn't like the taste.  He brought out a baseball bat and told me to drink beer or he would hit me in the head with it.  I drank and after awhile I liked the taste of beer.  That is the right kind of peer pressure.  These straight edge kids are applying the wrong type of pressure. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on February 12, 2013, 03:55:21 pm
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Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on February 12, 2013, 03:58:33 pm
most straight edge people are punk fucks who demand everybody think and act like them all the time.  only they are right, everybody else is wrong. 

they sound like organized religion.
They're so non-conforming. You conformist. Doing what you like. Fuck you.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on February 12, 2013, 04:04:03 pm
I made my straight edge friends pick up my heroin and cocaine when they had free time.
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 12, 2013, 04:15:03 pm
The straight edge people I knew really supported friends and relatives of mine who were trying to get clean from H and Cocaine.  So, I never really had a problem with them.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on February 12, 2013, 04:17:58 pm
I was making a joke but I guess it's not really something to joke about
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on February 12, 2013, 04:32:04 pm
so I'm stoked that FOALS are playing 930 club but kinda annoyed that I'll have to sit through Surfer Blood and their whole domestic violence act

i was excited for the double bill, the last foals show was incredible.  what's the deal with surfer blood?

edit: oh, he beats his girlfriend.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on February 12, 2013, 05:56:03 pm
Love that Lorelei are playing somewhat regularly now. Criminally underrated band more people should see.
I will definitely be at one of the shows.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 12, 2013, 07:38:07 pm
Not a drop of alcohol in 25+ years but watching drunks can be extremely entertaining.

No wonder you hate people.

lol, that's a really snappy line! ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 13, 2013, 01:42:29 am
(http://509899.cache1.evolutionhosting.com/wp-content/uploads/JEK_7708.jpg)

I don't think we need to worry about it being too hipsterish. (http://www.craftbrewersconference.com/)

i suspect that few will care, but the bearded dude in the center of the picture in the blue shirt is papa charlie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Papazian), grandfather of american homebrewing.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 13, 2013, 11:05:32 am
(http://509899.cache1.evolutionhosting.com/wp-content/uploads/JEK_7708.jpg)

I don't think we need to worry about it being too hipsterish. (http://www.craftbrewersconference.com/)

i suspect that few will care, but the bearded dude in the center of the picture in the blue shirt is papa charlie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Papazian), grandfather of american homebrewing.

I am glad you know that.  I am glad this board isn't all teetotalers.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 19, 2013, 01:08:05 pm
Postal Service and BS/Yo La Tengo are the "big announcements" that MPP was tweeting about yesterday?

Lolz

u dat jaded?

Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?

I realize the answer to the same question for Belle and Sebastian is 0, but they are sort or revered indie icons. Does Postal Service have the same status?

yes, i would say that the PS have the same revered indie status - certainly on this side of the atlantic.  to date, their shows have been selling out. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on February 19, 2013, 01:42:50 pm
I always took the Postal Service to be a novelty project by Ben Gibbard and some other guy nobody has ever heard of.

Postal Service and BS/Yo La Tengo are the "big announcements" that MPP was tweeting about yesterday?

Lolz

u dat jaded?

Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?

I realize the answer to the same question for Belle and Sebastian is 0, but they are sort or revered indie icons. Does Postal Service have the same status?

yes, i would say that the PS have the same revered indie status - certainly on this side of the atlantic.  to date, their shows have been selling out. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 19, 2013, 01:43:32 pm
Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?

I realize the answer to the same question for Belle and Sebastian is 0, but they are sort or revered indie icons. Does Postal Service have the same status?

I'm guessing about 5k tops in ticket sales for those shows. IMP is making some interesting choices in summer bookings.

the pavilion holds 5200, so you're predicting that they won't even sell out the seats.  

i'll bet you a beer of your choice that both shows top 8000 tickets.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on February 19, 2013, 01:52:19 pm
Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_Up
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Give Up is the debut album by electronic pop duo The Postal Service. Released on February 19, 2003, it was the second Sub Pop Records release to receive platinum certification, and was Sub Pop's best selling album since Nirvana's Bleach.[2] The album peaked at #114 on the U.S. Billboard 200 album chart and has sold 1.07 million copies[3].
yes.
A ten year hiatus after limited touring from a band whose members are still active and still have followings (DNTEL/DCFC) and have sold over a million records, and whose fans probably didnt get a chance to see them live, due to them:
Quote
The band toured the U.S. from April to August 2003
which was not many shows for fans to see. 

Anyways, MPP seems like the perfect size for the Postal Service. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 19, 2013, 01:53:33 pm
I think the postal service tour will do very well.. much better than belle and sebastian/yo la tengo...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 19, 2013, 02:00:03 pm
I think the postal service tour will do very well.. much better than belle and sebastian/yo la tengo...

Belle and Sebastian filled up the place pretty well last time they play MPP.  I won't see Postal Service at MPP. I like their album but to me they shouldn't be playing a place that big.  They would be ok at the 930 club or ottobar.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 19, 2013, 02:01:52 pm
you people do realize that what happens one tour to one band . . . doesn't mean its going to happen another time around to the same band or any other band.  unless of course you think that everything is the same thing all over again.  good lord.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 19, 2013, 02:02:00 pm
yeah Postal Service will sell very well.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 19, 2013, 02:02:48 pm
I think the postal service tour will do very well.. much better than belle and sebastian/yo la tengo...

Belle and Sebastian filled up the place pretty well last time they play MPP.  I won't see Postal Service at MPP. I like their album but to me they shouldn't be playing a place that big.  They would be ok at the 930 club or ottobar.

well maybe i'm wrong but want to make it interesting?

i bet you the postal service sells more tickets than belle and sebastian.

if I win you take your sorry ass out of here for 3 months....if i lose i take my sorry ass out of here for 3 months.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on February 19, 2013, 02:03:33 pm
i think either way . . . its a win for all of us.

had to say it, too easy.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 19, 2013, 02:04:41 pm
Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?

I realize the answer to the same question for Belle and Sebastian is 0, but they are sort or revered indie icons. Does Postal Service have the same status?

I'm guessing about 5k tops in ticket sales for those shows. IMP is making some interesting choices in summer bookings.

the pavilion holds 5200, so you're predicting that they won't even sell out the seats.  

i'll bet you a beer of your choice that both shows top 8000 tickets.

I would think Most shows do not sell out the pavillion at MPP.  Even if they have a pretty full lawn.  For example, Flaming Lips and MMJ didn't come close to selling out pavillion at their appearances at MPP.

As for James Ford he isn't very good at predicting crowd sizes.  He thinks She and Him/Camera Obscura won't even have 1000 people at Wolf Trap.  Even though it is pretty obvious they could sell out two 930 club shows and Camera Obscura on their own filled the 930 club when they played there in the past. so 3 x1400  = 4200.   Now you combine the acts and have it in a place where more people are likely to attend.  

I am hopeful that She and Him are playing Newport Folk Festival as a headliner.  But we shall see.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 19, 2013, 02:06:48 pm
I think the postal service tour will do very well.. much better than belle and sebastian/yo la tengo...

Belle and Sebastian filled up the place pretty well last time they play MPP.  I won't see Postal Service at MPP. I like their album but to me they shouldn't be playing a place that big.  They would be ok at the 930 club or ottobar.

well maybe i'm wrong but want to make it interesting?

i bet you the postal service sells more tickets than belle and sebastian.

if I win you take your sorry ass out of here for 3 months....if i lose i take my sorry ass out of here for 3 months.

I didn't say Postal Service won't have a big crowd.  I am saying I don't want to see them at MPP.  Belle and Sebastian has what 7 albums?  Anyway Bell and Sebastian will have a big crowd.  To think otherwise is comical.  I don't care who has a bigger crowd.  I bet the Lumineers has a bigger crowd than either. 

I am not wagering on something so stupid. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on February 19, 2013, 02:13:35 pm
They type of people who were at the She and Him shows at the 9:30...20something DC Fox tv watchers who go to one or two shows per year...typically don't have cars to get them out to a shed in the suburbs that's nowhere near public transportation.


Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?

I realize the answer to the same question for Belle and Sebastian is 0, but they are sort or revered indie icons. Does Postal Service have the same status?

I'm guessing about 5k tops in ticket sales for those shows. IMP is making some interesting choices in summer bookings.

the pavilion holds 5200, so you're predicting that they won't even sell out the seats.  

i'll bet you a beer of your choice that both shows top 8000 tickets.

I would think Most shows do not sell out the pavillion at MPP.  Even if they have a pretty full lawn.  For example, Flaming Lips and MMJ didn't come close to selling out pavillion at their appearances at MPP.

As for James Ford he isn't very good at predicting crowd sizes.  He thinks She and Him/Camera Obscura won't even have 1000 people at Wolf Trap.  Even though it is pretty obvious they could sell out two 930 club shows and Camera Obscura on their own filled the 930 club when they played there in the past. so 3 x1400  = 4200.   Now you combine the acts and have it in a place where more people are likely to attend.  

I am hopeful that She and Him are playing Newport Folk Festival as a headliner.  But we shall see.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 19, 2013, 02:18:36 pm
They type of people who were at the She and Him shows at the 9:30...20something DC Fox tv watchers who go to one or two shows per year...typically don't have cars to get them out to a shed in the suburbs that's nowhere near public transportation.


Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?

I realize the answer to the same question for Belle and Sebastian is 0, but they are sort or revered indie icons. Does Postal Service have the same status?

I'm guessing about 5k tops in ticket sales for those shows. IMP is making some interesting choices in summer bookings.

the pavilion holds 5200, so you're predicting that they won't even sell out the seats.  

i'll bet you a beer of your choice that both shows top 8000 tickets.

I would think Most shows do not sell out the pavillion at MPP.  Even if they have a pretty full lawn.  For example, Flaming Lips and MMJ didn't come close to selling out pavillion at their appearances at MPP.

As for James Ford he isn't very good at predicting crowd sizes.  He thinks She and Him/Camera Obscura won't even have 1000 people at Wolf Trap.  Even though it is pretty obvious they could sell out two 930 club shows and Camera Obscura on their own filled the 930 club when they played there in the past. so 3 x1400  = 4200.   Now you combine the acts and have it in a place where more people are likely to attend.  

I am hopeful that She and Him are playing Newport Folk Festival as a headliner.  But we shall see.


You really have no clue.  I go to a ton of shows and so does my wife and we both love She and Him and loved them before their was a fox tv show.  An excellant one at that. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on February 19, 2013, 02:53:08 pm
Do you think 50 year old married men are the typical fan at a She and Him concert?

They type of people who were at the She and Him shows at the 9:30...20something DC Fox tv watchers who go to one or two shows per year...typically don't have cars to get them out to a shed in the suburbs that's nowhere near public transportation.


Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?

I realize the answer to the same question for Belle and Sebastian is 0, but they are sort or revered indie icons. Does Postal Service have the same status?

I'm guessing about 5k tops in ticket sales for those shows. IMP is making some interesting choices in summer bookings.

the pavilion holds 5200, so you're predicting that they won't even sell out the seats.  

i'll bet you a beer of your choice that both shows top 8000 tickets.

I would think Most shows do not sell out the pavillion at MPP.  Even if they have a pretty full lawn.  For example, Flaming Lips and MMJ didn't come close to selling out pavillion at their appearances at MPP.

As for James Ford he isn't very good at predicting crowd sizes.  He thinks She and Him/Camera Obscura won't even have 1000 people at Wolf Trap.  Even though it is pretty obvious they could sell out two 930 club shows and Camera Obscura on their own filled the 930 club when they played there in the past. so 3 x1400  = 4200.   Now you combine the acts and have it in a place where more people are likely to attend.  

I am hopeful that She and Him are playing Newport Folk Festival as a headliner.  But we shall see.


You really have no clue.  I go to a ton of shows and so does my wife and we both love She and Him and loved them before their was a fox tv show.  An excellant one at that. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 19, 2013, 03:00:18 pm
Do you think 50 year old married men are the typical fan at a She and Him concert?

They type of people who were at the She and Him shows at the 9:30...20something DC Fox tv watchers who go to one or two shows per year...typically don't have cars to get them out to a shed in the suburbs that's nowhere near public transportation.


Postal Service is popular enough to headline MPP? Really? How many top selling albums or singles have they had recently? Or ever had?

I realize the answer to the same question for Belle and Sebastian is 0, but they are sort or revered indie icons. Does Postal Service have the same status?

I'm guessing about 5k tops in ticket sales for those shows. IMP is making some interesting choices in summer bookings.

the pavilion holds 5200, so you're predicting that they won't even sell out the seats.  

i'll bet you a beer of your choice that both shows top 8000 tickets.

I would think Most shows do not sell out the pavillion at MPP.  Even if they have a pretty full lawn.  For example, Flaming Lips and MMJ didn't come close to selling out pavillion at their appearances at MPP.

As for James Ford he isn't very good at predicting crowd sizes.  He thinks She and Him/Camera Obscura won't even have 1000 people at Wolf Trap.  Even though it is pretty obvious they could sell out two 930 club shows and Camera Obscura on their own filled the 930 club when they played there in the past. so 3 x1400  = 4200.   Now you combine the acts and have it in a place where more people are likely to attend.  

I am hopeful that She and Him are playing Newport Folk Festival as a headliner.  But we shall see.


You really have no clue.  I go to a ton of shows and so does my wife and we both love She and Him and loved them before their was a fox tv show.  An excellant one at that. 

my wife is 35 so she is probably more typical.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on February 19, 2013, 03:02:25 pm
It's unfortunate that M. Ward has to be noticed by the masses after pairing up with that annoying woman.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 19, 2013, 03:07:34 pm
It's unfortunate that M. Ward has to be noticed by the masses after pairing up with that annoying woman.

you are annoying.  But I knew M Ward long before She and Him existed.  It is interesting that he might be the only one with talent in Monsters of Folk but he is the least famous.   
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on February 19, 2013, 03:09:59 pm
It's unfortunate that M. Ward has to be noticed by the masses after pairing up with that annoying woman.

you are annoying.  But I knew M Ward long before She and Him existed.  It is interesting that he might be the only one with talent in Monsters of Folk but he is the least famous.   

I'll agree with your last sentence.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 19, 2013, 03:19:38 pm
funny, cause she annoys me too.

It's unfortunate that M. Ward has to be noticed by the masses after pairing up with that annoying woman.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 19, 2013, 03:40:34 pm
Since most of the these festivals have the most interesting bands playing early or on second stages, it makes me wish FreeFest was a two day festival featuring just these bands without the big festival headliners.  September is also a much for reasonable time of year for a festival. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: reggie on February 19, 2013, 03:44:48 pm
M. Ward peaked in the three album stretch of Transfiguration/Transistor Radio/Post-War. The last two records, and all the She and Him stuff is zzzz.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on February 19, 2013, 07:32:59 pm
You nailed it totally with that one.

M. Ward peaked in the three album stretch of Transfiguration/Transistor Radio/Post-War. The last two records, and all the She and Him stuff is zzzz.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 19, 2013, 10:06:23 pm
Since most of the these festivals have the most interesting bands playing early or on second stages, it makes me wish FreeFest was a two day festival featuring just these bands without the big festival headliners.  September is also a much for reasonable time of year for a festival. 

I agree freefest has better weather than most festivals.  They should make it a three day festival and charge for it.  That would keep out the riff raff and we could get better bands.

I think next year I might just do a festival in northern europe.. somewhere like Sweden where I don't have to worry about it being 100 degrees.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: imbecile on February 20, 2013, 10:35:35 am
You nailed it totally with that one.

M. Ward peaked in the three album stretch of Transfiguration/Transistor Radio/Post-War. The last two records, and all the She and Him stuff is zzzz.


Even thinking about M. Ward makes me want to go to sleep.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on February 20, 2013, 12:32:03 pm
I heard the Postal Service will no longer schedule gigs on Saturdays. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on February 20, 2013, 12:36:21 pm
I heard the Postal Service will no longer schedule gigs on Saturdays. 

 ::) ;D

Yeah, but wait until you see their new swag (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/usps-clothing-line-rain-heat-snow_n_2725156.html) next year!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on February 20, 2013, 08:54:01 pm
Re: PS/DCFC I first thought Ben sounded like Kermit. Yet, I like both bands. Surprised they are popular among mainstream masses. Guessing they (those who love DCFC) have caught up on their catalog. and the PR surrounding PS shows/album obviously includes the DCFC name. Summer show at MPP fine, but I can't imagine them playing a large stadium any other time in the year...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: eltee on February 20, 2013, 08:57:56 pm
Since most of the these festivals have the most interesting bands playing early or on second stages, it makes me wish FreeFest was a two day festival featuring just these bands without the big festival headliners.  September is also a much for reasonable time of year for a festival. 

I agree freefest has better weather than most festivals.  They should make it a three day festival and charge for it.  That would keep out the riff raff and we could get better bands.

I think next year I might just do a festival in northern europe.. somewhere like Sweden where I don't have to worry about it being 100 degrees.

not gonna happen in this area.
go to Iceland (Airwaves) or Ireland (Oxegen)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: bearman🐻 on February 21, 2013, 11:03:54 am
Getting those Belle and Sebastian tickets was crazy easy. Wow.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 21, 2013, 11:12:05 am
Getting those Belle and Sebastian tickets was crazy easy. Wow.

co-signed, although that seating chart for the pavilion on the Ticketfly site is hard to read and there isn't one on the Merriweather site.  ended up getting pit anyways...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on February 21, 2013, 11:20:33 am
There were pits still available but I want seats..best seats left center row P.  I think I will see if there are better tickets tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 21, 2013, 11:22:32 am
I got Center row P, so I'm happy.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 21, 2013, 11:27:27 am
I got Center row P, so I'm happy.

shoot we could have been row pals :) 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 21, 2013, 11:36:41 am
of course, we're not talking about Radiohead here...

Getting those Belle and Sebastian tickets was crazy easy. Wow.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 22, 2013, 01:45:04 pm
Got a ticket for JT and Jay-Z!

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on February 22, 2013, 01:47:44 pm
Obama wants to take away from millionaires, and you want to give it right back!

Got a ticket for JT and Jay-Z!


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 22, 2013, 02:25:57 pm
I got Center row P, so I'm happy.

That's my favorite place to sit there because you're next to the sound board!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on February 22, 2013, 04:42:36 pm
i don't think i've ever seen matmos play more than 3 songs at a baltimore show.  it's weird.
I believe this night could be different.  Also, I think they (Matmos and Horse Lords) play some songs together. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 22, 2013, 05:01:32 pm
I got Center row P, so I'm happy.

That's my favorite place to sit there because you're next to the sound board!

not quite - soundsboard is more like row Y

http://eventprocess.com/BrokerMaps/MerriweatherPostPavillion_all.gif
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 23, 2013, 03:23:43 am
Horse Lords basically is Matmos' backing band.

Go listen to the FMU session if you have not yet. Really good. Awesome interview, too. I bet Drew Daniel makes for an animated English professor.

i don't think i've ever seen matmos play more than 3 songs at a baltimore show.  it's weird.
I believe this night could be different.  Also, I think they (Matmos and Horse Lords) play some songs together. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 25, 2013, 04:03:21 pm
Nobody super excited about  Pitbull, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis appearing at the Preakness?  I mean they are very popular and lots of people listen to their music, so it must be the best and hotness stuff out there right now.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on February 25, 2013, 04:38:34 pm
Nobody super excited about  Pitbull, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis appearing at the Preakness?  I mean they are very popular and lots of people listen to their music, so it must be the best and hotness stuff out there right now.

Oh don't worry, I'm sure atomic will be praising this booking
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on February 25, 2013, 04:40:41 pm
I don't know who the first act is, but Ryan Lewis and Macklemore's album was voted best album of 2012 by KEXP listeners.

Nobody super excited about  Pitbull, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis appearing at the Preakness?  I mean they are very popular and lots of people listen to their music, so it must be the best and hotness stuff out there right now.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on February 25, 2013, 05:08:49 pm
Nobody super excited about  Pitbull, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis appearing at the Preakness?

As someone who listen's to just about anything, even Smackie can say with authority that Pitbull is an awful talent, but has done an amazing job marketing himself.  I blame LeBron going to Miami as giving this staying power.

I will cop to not liking Macklemore and Ryan Lewis initially, but that Sax Loop from Thrift Shop is so damn catchy that I don't find my self changing the Sat channel immediately, but I rarely make it all the way through.

I don't know who the first act is, but Ryan Lewis and Macklemore's album was voted best album of 2012 by KEXP listeners.

They're both from Seattle, if that helps clarify things for you.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 25, 2013, 05:16:04 pm
There are a couple tracks that Pitbull guests on that I can stand, but his solo stuff is pretty unlistenable too.. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on February 25, 2013, 05:27:36 pm
Yes, I was aware of that. But so is Queensryche, and I don't see KEXP listeners voting them to the top spot.



I don't know who the first act is, but Ryan Lewis and Macklemore's album was voted best album of 2012 by KEXP listeners.

They're both from Seattle, if that helps clarify things for you.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on February 25, 2013, 06:21:36 pm
Yes, I was aware of that. But so is Queensryche, and I don't see KEXP listeners voting them to the top spot.

For years, they were considered Indie Underground Rap.  True Story.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 25, 2013, 06:25:30 pm
Yes, I was aware of that. But so is Queensryche, and I don't see KEXP listeners voting them to the top spot.

For years, they were considered Indie Underground Rap.  True Story.

Queensryche or M & Rl?

because Macklemore and Ryan Lewis got busted paying a Sony distribution arm to gain radio airplay.  i.e. we're indie but it still took a major labels promotional arm to secure us radio airplay.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on February 25, 2013, 08:18:09 pm
all the new venues competing for acts seem to be really pushing up prices...the hamilton seems a particularly flagrant offender..

toots and the maytals just announced 51.50 advance / 59.50 day of show... Toots has historically been a  $25 show ..multiple times at the 930 and one or two at the state theatre

les claypool..something called the duo of twang is like 41.50 advance/44 or something day of show

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on February 27, 2013, 06:31:51 pm
Book of Mormon at the Kennedy Center 7/9-8/18/2013
Do I win the furthest out Just Announced prize?

Seems that the Kennedy Center is saying that the entire 6-week run will sell out during the presale, leaving non-members without the opportunity to buy tickets directly.  Since when does a presale have access to all of the tickets?!?

ever since it's a membership organization.  you are free to join at any time.  the membership fees help keep the kennedy open, makes sense that their loyal supporters get first crack at tickets.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on February 28, 2013, 09:39:59 am
I heard that it was a total cluster getting tickets today.  It's also coming to the Hippodrome in Baltimore,

Has anyone seen Bob Dylan in the last 5 years?  Still worth going to see?  Last time I saw him with Willie Nelson at Ironbird Stadium he was not sounding so hot.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on February 28, 2013, 02:45:49 pm
I was very disappointed to see that Justin and Jay-Z chose Candlestick for their Bay Area show.  Looks like I'll be making a trip to Soldier Field.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: thatguy on February 28, 2013, 04:03:51 pm
I heard that it was a total cluster getting tickets today.  It's also coming to the Hippodrome in Baltimore,

it took me almost two and a half hours of wading through a variety of error messages, but i was able to snag tickets.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on February 28, 2013, 10:46:22 pm
Dead Heart Bloom
Thursday March 14th
DC9
This is cancelled.
Dang it.

Oh well at least there is this to look forward to:

DC March 30 (no venue listed PLUS that is SVI/Lost Rivers night)
Baltimore March 31 (no venue listed yet)

The Veldt (Apollo Heights)
the British shoegaze group Suzy Blue (Insect Guide)
panophonic


This is my killer weekend. Found out a week or two ago that Su was coming over from Leeds and was seriously considering a trip up to see her. Regret that I never got to see her with Insect Guide when they came over about a year ago. Would like to see Lost Rivers too! Found out this afternoon exactly when she was coming over and was highly disappointed. Just my frigging luck! I have to work that entire weekend, including days I normally don't work, as well as several others I work with taking off then. Not like I could find a replacement and I need the work too damned bad. It never, ever seems to fail. Whenever I consider coming up for a show, that's when I get scheduled to work outside of my normal days.

Would also really like to see The Veldt. Danny Chavis is one hell of a funny guy, besides the fact that I like their music. This is a band for Kosmo. Shoegaze, Kosmo style.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 04, 2013, 11:54:14 am
That is pretty awesome Animal Collective will be at 930 Club.  I hope I can get tickets, as I havent seen them since a middle of the afternoon set at Bonnaroo a few years back (and then Avey Tare/Panda Bear solo at the Ottobar, still not the same).  Anyways, it would be nice to go to the club again. Its been a long time.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on March 04, 2013, 12:00:52 pm
That first Panda Bear solo Ottobar show was transcendent. And wzt hearts opened which was equally transcendent. Wzt hearts set may have actually been my first noise set ever.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 04, 2013, 12:07:12 pm
I do not understand Animal Collective.  Liked their second album okay, but overall, I find them incredibly annoying.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on March 04, 2013, 12:14:14 pm
Morrissey
Fri 4/5
the National Theater, DC
On Sale
Fri 3/08
10:00 am EST

Cannot pass up! 

O's Opening Day / Moz doubleheader!!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 04, 2013, 01:41:46 pm
HOW TO DESTROY ANGELS
4/30
FILLMORE SS

cool... i was contemplating NYC for this.  looks like i might be going to my first FSS show... held out this long.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on March 04, 2013, 01:47:33 pm
The National Theatre is under new management and will apparently begin booking concerts. 

The best seats for Morrissey are $125. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 04, 2013, 01:59:16 pm
Looks like i might be going to my first FSS show... held out this long.
Me too. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on March 04, 2013, 02:10:34 pm
Is that Destroy Angels album any good? I assumed it was Trent doing his trippy ambient (boring) stuff.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 04, 2013, 02:24:26 pm
Not trippy or ambient at all (for the most part).  Their first EP was free and can be found online.
http://soundcloud.com/howtodestroyangels/sets/how-to-destroy-angels-2010

Here is their second:
http://store.destroyangels.com/product_info.php?cPath=4&products_id=15
http://soundcloud.com/howtodestroyangels/sets/an-omen-ep-2012/
(oops spoke too soon, never heard this before, and it has some pretty ambient/trippy parts)

And the LP comes out tomorrow:
http://store.destroyangels.com/product_info.php?cPath=8&products_id=14

To me it is a natural nine inch nails continuation.  You can definitely feel the "Trentness" of it, kind of like the stuff he did with Saul Williams.  I personally think it is great.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on March 04, 2013, 02:35:55 pm
Oh cool, thanks
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on March 04, 2013, 02:37:45 pm
I do not understand Animal Collective.  Liked their second album okay, but overall, I find them incredibly annoying.
I love MPP. I can't explain what I like about them. I just do. I used to not get it. Then one day, I totally did.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 04, 2013, 02:57:04 pm
I am hoping this doesnt mean the Comet show on March 30 is cancelled...
Quote
the Lost Rivers (on facebook)
Hello people,

there haven't been many news from us in the last couple of months ? let me tell you why:

In 2012 many things didn't work out the way we wished them to. We had some good times and a lot of good things happened, but there were also a lot of bad things happening and some people threatened to tear apart this whole project. We felt that all this negativity started to cover all the positive things we have experienced.

We fought hard to get everything back on track and to find a way to deal with the things that had happened. The result was that I hardly had any time to do what I love the most ? writing amazing rock'n'roll music. I now want to fully focus on this aspect.

So, I will take some time off from the "managerial duties" and from playing live shows. Meanwhile I am in the process of writing a new album.

2013 will see the reformation of the Lost Rivers ? we will come back stronger, louder, crazier and better than any band you have ever heard before.

P.S.: You can still see us play live on March 22 when we are destroying the Windmill in Brixton, London.

Stay tuned.

We love you guys!

cheers,
phil
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on March 04, 2013, 03:59:01 pm
The National Theatre is under new management and will apparently begin booking concerts. 

The best seats for Morrissey are $125. 

Cheapest = $49.50
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on March 04, 2013, 04:01:31 pm
Moz has announced a historic show in Washington, D.C. The National Theatre will open its doors to Morrissey for their FIRST-EVER rock show in their 175-year history, on Friday, April 5th. Morrissey can now be added to the long list of prominent names that have graced The National Theatre?s stage including Winston Churchill, Laurence Olivier, Katherine Hepburn and more.

Tickets go on sale Friday, March 8th at 10am through Ticketmaster, the 9:30 Club, Merriweather Post Pavilion and The National Theatre box offices. For a complete list of Morrissey?s North American tour dates, click on the 'TOUR DATES' tab at the top of the page.


A long list of prominent carnivores.  Wonder if he'll back out.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 04, 2013, 05:01:16 pm
Moz has announced a historic show in Washington, D.C. The National Theatre will open its doors to Morrissey for their FIRST-EVER rock show in their 175-year history, on Friday, April 5th. Morrissey can now be added to the long list of prominent names that have graced The National Theatre?s stage including Winston Churchill, Laurence Olivier, Katherine Hepburn and more.

Tickets go on sale Friday, March 8th at 10am through Ticketmaster, the 9:30 Club, Merriweather Post Pavilion and The National Theatre box offices. For a complete list of Morrissey?s North American tour dates, click on the 'TOUR DATES' tab at the top of the page.


A long list of prominent carnivores.  Wonder if he'll back out.

POTW.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 04, 2013, 11:32:52 pm
you guys do realize that the seats at national suck horrible.  they kill your ass and legs and are so fucking tight close together.  ive been there plenty of times and i got sick of the seats and started going to warner instead.  unless the new people have changed out the seats . . . beware, but how appropriate for him, seeing how he's quite the pain in the ass.

awesome, finally, yesss . . . after swtiching over to google chrome because of a company switch i have spell checker on my club forum posts!!  beware.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 05, 2013, 01:41:10 am
HOW TO DESTROY ANGELS
4/30
FILLMORE SS

In the meantime: NIN's 'Head Like a Hole' mashed with 'Call Me Maybe' is terrible and perfect (http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/4/4064574/nins-head-like-a-hole-mashed-with-call-me-maybe-is-perfect)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on March 05, 2013, 09:25:39 am
awesome, finally, yesss . . . after swtiching over to google chrome because of a company switch i have spell checker on my club forum posts!!  beware.

Next on my list of add-ons for Chrome....capitalization.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on March 05, 2013, 10:01:54 am
From the Just Announced thread:
(Bold is mine.)

no Tommy Ramone at Jammin Java....


Sylvain Sylvain will be there...


Some of the saddest downfalls in music I've yet to see was when that guy from Abba had to resort to playing in his own cover band and now Sylvain Sylvain spends his Fridays nights at home (or somewhere undefined) posting on Facebook his "Rampage Of Songs". One night I noticed he was just posting away all kinds of YouTube links. Good ones (though I never bothered to click any of them) but loads of them, one after another. Didn't think much of it at all until he made some post thanking everyone for listening and to come back again next Friday for his "Rampage of Songs". Then another day I noticed him advertising this thing and realized that he was dead serious. In his mind, this is a standing gig for him. I actually felt embarrassed for the guy. Really pathetic.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 05, 2013, 10:15:25 am
From the Just Announced thread:
(Bold is mine.)

no Tommy Ramone at Jammin Java....


Sylvain Sylvain will be there...


Some of the saddest downfalls in music I've yet to see was when that guy from Abba had to resort to playing in his own cover band and now Sylvain Sylvain spends his Fridays nights at home (or somewhere undefined) posting on Facebook his "Rampage Of Songs". One night I noticed he was just posting away all kinds of YouTube links. Good ones (though I never bothered to click any of them) but loads of them, one after another. Didn't think much of it at all until he made some post thanking everyone for listening and to come back again next Friday for his "Rampage of Songs". Then another day I noticed him advertising this thing and realized that he was dead serious. In his mind, this is a standing gig for him. I actually felt embarrassed for the guy. Really pathetic.

are you saying he makes money if people click on the links?

i'm actually on sylvain sylvain's facebook or is it the new york dolls facebook that he runs? maybe we're talking about different things...and i kind of dig it...i like being connected to the guy i guess...

but then again i've been going through a major reevaluation of all things New York Dolls... the last and probably final "New York Dolls" album is real good in a 1950s sort of way...johansen's voice has really changed though

my take would be that I don't feel embarassed for Sylvain as much as sad and embarassed for the world... when you think about the contribution the New York Dolls made and how far ahead of their time they were, the little reward they obtained seems hardly fair...both in image and sound they were pretty much a decade ahead of everyone else and established the blueprint for much of 1980s popular music...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on March 05, 2013, 10:25:44 am

To me it is a natural nine inch nails continuation.  You can definitely feel the "Trentness" of it, kind of like the stuff he did with Saul Williams.  I personally think it is great.

I'm glad you like it. My unsolicited impression is that Trent and his wife were sitting around listening to the Knife and decided, hey we could do that. I don't think it's bad but I just can't get over thinking, this has been done so much better. Maybe I just don't care for Trent's breathy vocals anymore.

Meanwhile, though they sound nothing alike and come from totally different places and have literally nothing to do with each other, Thurston's new band Chelsea Light Moving, is really scratching that Goo itch.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on March 05, 2013, 10:37:01 am
@Hutch - Re: Sylvain Sylvain's "Rampage Of Songs":

^ I doubt he makes any money from it but I wouldn't know. Just looks like any other posting when someone goes on a roll of posting YouTube music links. The first time I noticed him posting about his "Rampage of Songs", I honestly thought that he was joking and taking the piss on himself about his music video frenzy. Never imagined he was serious about this and it apparently being a weekly thing. Really, I don't pay all that much attention to them other than reading what a few of them are. Lots of old stuff spanning the decades and it is mostly good stuff. Matter of opinions and all, of course.

Yeah, I do love that a lot of musicians are very accessible via some of the social networks. I'm not at all knocking that. Think it might be the NYDolls site rather than his personal; then again, I'm not paying all that much attention. Also, it's hard to tell now that Facebook has totally screwed up their distribution of what feeds one ever sees which pisses me off. I want all of them, not just the ones FB picks and chooses.

It appears that the guy has been relagated to trying to keep his music life going by spending his Friday nights trying to drum up some attention on FB by playing video host. This is a Rock legend, not a fan just having some fun with their knowledge and ability to string an interesting stream of videos along. It's also a Friday night. You think this guy would have gigs to play, people to schmooze, fans to dodge, women and men to fend off. I don't know, something other than what appears to be a desparate attempt at staying relevant. Maybe that's just my slant but it strikes me as being rather sad.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 05, 2013, 10:53:41 am
@Hutch - Re: Sylvain Sylvain's "Rampage Of Songs":

^ I doubt he makes any money from it but I wouldn't know. Just looks like any other posting when someone goes on a roll of posting YouTube music links. The first time I noticed him posting about his "Rampage of Songs", I honestly thought that he was joking and taking the piss on himself about his music video frenzy. Never imagined he was serious about this and it apparently being a weekly thing. Really, I don't pay all that much attention to them other than reading what a few of them are. Lots of old stuff spanning the decades and it is mostly good stuff. Matter of opinions and all, of course.

Yeah, I do love that a lot of musicians are very accessible via some of the social networks. I'm not at all knocking that. Think it might be the NYDolls site rather than his personal; then again, I'm not paying all that much attention. Also, it's hard to tell now that Facebook has totally screwed up their distribution of what feeds one ever sees which pisses me off. I want all of them, not just the ones FB picks and chooses.

It appears that the guy has been relagated to trying to keep his music life going by spending his Friday nights trying to drum up some attention on FB by playing video host. This is a Rock legend, not a fan just having some fun with their knowledge and ability to string an interesting stream of videos along. It's also a Friday night. You think this guy would have gigs to play, people to schmooze, fans to dodge, women and men to fend off. I don't know, something other than what appears to be a desparate attempt at staying relevant. Maybe that's just my slant but it strikes me as being rather sad.



hmm.. i think we agree on a lot but i think its great if sylvain loves music and wants to share some links...he's just a regular guy who loves music... i don't think it has anything to do with staying relevant... he's obviously irrelevant...

i kind of think the fact he's still alive and kickin' is an achievement..the fact he hasn't dissapeared from the world even better... after all nolan, kane and thunders are all gone...

but it is sad....not sure how..but sad it is..

one of my all time favorite musicians andres calamaro would and still sometimes does share youtube video after video on twitter with his commentary... my guess is he'd get high on weed and just sit there lookign at youtube videos excited... to me thats real human... no pretense....he's from/in argentina..one year we exchanged tweets while i explained the world series to him as they show it down there on tv (and he was watching) but nobody knows anything about it....i guess as i get older i don't need my musicians on a pedestal and i realize i can interact with them ...and they are fairly regular people..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on March 05, 2013, 11:11:19 am
But see, there's a difference. What Calamaro is doing is random and purely on impulse. That I love. Have seen lots of musicicans and band sites (often run by a non-band member administrator) do things like that. As you mentioned, many musicians will also interact with the fans which is one of the beauties of social networking. I think all that is good for both the fans and the bands.

What Sylvain is doing is something else entirely. It's a standing gig he's committed himself to. I guess some appreciate it but it just hits me as a celebrity crawling around at Rock (pun intended) bottom and itching and scratching away at trying to come back up out of the hole. More power to him! I hope he makes it back up as it would be such a waste to let his talents fester away before he's gone for good.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 05, 2013, 01:54:37 pm
Holy crap snagging an Animal Collective ticket was easy.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: fatskippy on March 05, 2013, 02:16:41 pm
Holy crap snagging an Animal Collective ticket was easy.

I was surprised by this too, still available. $25 was cheaper than I'd imagined.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 05, 2013, 05:38:34 pm
that is because

animal collective sound horrible live.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on March 05, 2013, 06:02:25 pm
The few shows I saw were pretty great.

Especially the improvised segues between songs. I would be happier if they did a tour of instrumental and vocal improvisation exclusively and piece an album together from recordings of that tour than if they played written songs.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2013, 10:26:18 am
Is the Morrissey presale on ticketmaster or ticketfly?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 07, 2013, 10:38:29 am
TM, I thought?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2013, 10:41:11 am
yes, the ticketfly site takes you over to ticketmaster.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 07, 2013, 10:41:35 am
Can't decide whether I want to go  ???
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on March 07, 2013, 11:06:27 am
Totally missed the Animal Collective pre-sale, just jumped onto the 930 site and was able to snag a pair in a breeze. Excited!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Vas Deferens on March 07, 2013, 11:10:44 am
you get tickets from your most vegetarian friend

Is the Morrissey presale on ticketmaster or ticketfly?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: reggie on March 07, 2013, 11:12:00 am
i'm worried that ticketmaster is going to give me last row for the morrissey presale and save the good seats for the general sale.  :-\
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2013, 11:13:33 am
I just did the FWB presale and got right balcony row H.  I was in the 5th row for the last show, so I don't really care where my seats are for this one.  But, it will be my first time in the back for any Morrissey show.  (but that's okay!  Just glad I got tickets!)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on March 07, 2013, 11:15:16 am
I pulled up Center Orchestra row R, but bailed 'cause I'll be outta town that day.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2013, 11:16:03 am
I didn't want to spring for the 140 dollar tickets.  With already having seen him and Nick Cave...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: StoneTheCrow on March 07, 2013, 11:17:12 am
you get tickets from your most vegetarian friend


Flies = meat?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on March 07, 2013, 11:24:48 am
I opted for the Morrissey show at The National instead.  First time I saw him was there and it's better being able to stand where ever.  Not sure if it's sold out yet.
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2013, 11:35:36 am
I don't want to drive that far! 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 07, 2013, 11:37:12 am
141 dollars?  I will have to pass.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Got Haggis? on March 07, 2013, 01:17:54 pm
no issues getting How to Destroy Angels tickets during their pre-sale.  Not really sure why I am going, since I think the album is pretty boring.....but hell, it's Trent Reznor.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 07, 2013, 01:22:25 pm
Same here- weird. I just got HTDA presale tix 15 mins after it started. Everywhere else on this tour the presales sold out right away.

Also got Center Q seats for the Postal Service. Good day for presales.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Bags on March 07, 2013, 01:35:38 pm
Sweetcell, you did well.  I got MM seats for Postal Service, so decided to try again during regular sale.  Ah well...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on March 07, 2013, 02:28:59 pm
no issues getting How to Destroy Angels tickets during their pre-sale.  Not really sure why I am going, since I think the album is pretty boring.....but hell, it's Trent Reznor.


The presale button on the HTDA website says "sold out", but Live Nation is still selling them.  I just picked up a ticket  8)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on March 07, 2013, 03:02:56 pm
How much are htda?
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2013, 03:06:08 pm
How much are htda?
 ;D

A ridiculous amount.  Forty dollars!  That is just insane.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on March 07, 2013, 03:10:04 pm
The good news is, HTDA only has to be 1/4 as good as Morrisey to be a better value!  WIN!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 07, 2013, 03:19:52 pm
How much are htda?
 ;D

A ridiculous amount.  Forty dollars!  That is just insane.
 
you're being facetious, right?

The good news is, HTDA only has to be 1/4 as good as Morrisey to be a better value!  WIN!

runner-up for POTW.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2013, 03:21:46 pm
No.  I think forty bucks for a band that has one album out is insane.  I also think their album is not great.

Yeah, not everyone likes Morrissey.   I do and he's worth a 50 dollar ticket to me!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on March 07, 2013, 03:47:01 pm
it's all relative to the venue, as well.  i tend to think $40 for fillmore is on the cheap side.

likewise, i think $30 for big boi and killer mike at howard is also cheap.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 07, 2013, 04:13:42 pm
Haven't been to the Fillmore yet.  I think I am just old and still wish shows were 20 bucks.  But, I know that's just me being old school.  And Trent Reznor is definitely a pull, that's for sure.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 07, 2013, 05:31:27 pm
I go to shows for less than 10 all of the time.  It depends on what you like.  I was hoping the HTDA tickets would be a tiny bit less expensive, I think I am going to have to pass.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 07, 2013, 05:33:47 pm
Just noticed the concert listing integration with Google calendar and Facebook events. Nicely done  :)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 08, 2013, 09:25:05 am
I go to shows for less than 10 all of the time.  It depends on what you like.  I was hoping the HTDA tickets would be a tiny bit less expensive, I think I am going to have to pass.

I think that show should be less than 40 bucks.  I still go to 10 dollar shows too, but I'm passing on that one...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 08, 2013, 12:53:40 pm
No.  I think forty bucks for a band that has one album out is insane.  I also think their album is not great.

Yeah, not everyone likes Morrissey.   I do and he's worth a 50 dollar ticket to me!

I saw Morrissey when he only had one album out.  Definitely would have paid more to see him then now.  But I guess he does some Smiths songs now.  But from seeing his recent shows on TV I think that he is well past his prime. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 08, 2013, 12:59:01 pm
I go to shows for less than 10 all of the time.  It depends on what you like.  I was hoping the HTDA tickets would be a tiny bit less expensive, I think I am going to have to pass.

yeah i have been to a lot of shows where you can bring your own beer, there are 4 or 5 bands and it costs 5 bucks to get in.  Most shows at the ottobar are under 15 bucks...  A lot of times the higher the price of the show the worse the performance holds true too. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 08, 2013, 01:29:26 pm
No.  I think forty bucks for a band that has one album out is insane.  I also think their album is not great.

Yeah, not everyone likes Morrissey.   I do and he's worth a 50 dollar ticket to me!

I saw Morrissey when he only had one album out.  Definitely would have paid more to see him then now.  But I guess he does some Smiths songs now.  But from seeing his recent shows on TV I think that he is well past his prime. 

I disagree.  His band is tight, he sounds great, and the song selection is varied.  This last show wasn't the best setlist I've seen, but it's still awesome to see him.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: shemptiness on March 08, 2013, 01:41:34 pm
I just hope he doesn't make us watch that livestock video again.  Major buzzkill.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 08, 2013, 02:05:29 pm
I just hope he doesn't make us watch that livestock video again.  Major buzzkill.

agreed.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 08, 2013, 02:38:14 pm
somewhere without a link, i will ask a simple question on the pimlico thing.  and without dumb saw it coming comments on the bands playing . . . is the thing worth going to, all and all?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 08, 2013, 03:42:06 pm
somewhere without a link, i will ask a simple question on the pimlico thing.  and without dumb saw it coming comments on the bands playing . . . is the thing worth going to, all and all?

which one?  there now appear to be two pimlico event, one with the Goo Goo Dolls and two soon to be annouced bands

and

the one with Pitbull, whose apperences should be limited to award shows and "live" New Year Eve shows, and those dudes that do the "Thirft Store" rap. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 08, 2013, 04:01:58 pm
on Facebook Pitbull shows up on the post about Goo Goo Dolls..evidently a mistake
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 08, 2013, 04:45:55 pm
Of Montreal 5/25/13 - Frederick, MD @ Flying Dog Brewery


interesting... is this part of a festival or some other celebration they're having at FD?

i just might trek up for this.  i doubt this will sell out so could be a game-time decision.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 11, 2013, 01:11:27 pm
Boo to Depeche Mode at stupid JLL.  BUT, I can't skip it this time.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 11, 2013, 01:15:04 pm
Ive seen vague mentions of the Dave Mann/9th and Beats split... Anyone have any details?  Also the Nightmare Air show... Seems to be multiple days listed, and it still says 9th and Beats (though Showlistdc i think your calendar have them listed on the day they are supposed to play in Norfolk, whose bill i WISH we had with SVI and Ceremony also on there).
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 11, 2013, 02:59:49 pm
depeche mode has always played there.  like how the b52s will only play wolftrap for some reason.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 11, 2013, 03:11:19 pm
depeche mode has always played there.  like how the b52s will only play wolftrap for some reason.

I know.  I didn't go last time and regretted it.  But, that place seriously is bad! 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 11, 2013, 03:31:50 pm
depeche mode has always played there.  like how the b52s will only play wolftrap for some reason.

Depeche Mode has played MPP at least 5 times as that is how many times I have seen them there. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: showlistdc on March 11, 2013, 04:16:01 pm
Ive seen vague mentions of the Dave Mann/9th and Beats split... Anyone have any details?  Also the Nightmare Air show... Seems to be multiple days listed, and it still says 9th and Beats (though Showlistdc i think your calendar have them listed on the day they are supposed to play in Norfolk, whose bill i WISH we had with SVI and Ceremony also on there).

Argh, thx. I've been working on chasing down info on all the 9th & Beats shows. Will report back. Am in California this week which makes it harder to keep a pulse on all this.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on March 12, 2013, 09:29:23 am
Alice Cooper & Marilyn Manson w/ GWAR on 6/17
MPP
this is what i see as our future, "remember those guys" festival shows.

didn't manson quit music after such a critical backlash in the media post-columbine?

anyways. this whole forum drools over "remember those guys" type-shows, including you, so, i don't really understand what you're getting at.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 12, 2013, 09:44:53 am
Alice Cooper & Marilyn Manson w/ GWAR on 6/17
MPP
this is what i see as our future, "remember those guys" festival shows.

didn't manson quit music after such a critical backlash in the media post-columbine?

anyways. this whole forum drools over "remember those guys" type-shows, including you, so, i don't really understand what you're getting at.

yeah it is kind of sad that these people don't get new music.  They like all the old has-beens but they hate the new stuff and make fun of it.  They don't seem to realize how ignorant of music they appear.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 12, 2013, 11:34:29 am
didn't manson quit music after such a critical backlash in the media post-columbine?
As in didnt make ANY music or do ANY touring since Columbine?

NO.

Since 1999:
Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) (2000)
The Golden Age of Grotesque (2003)
Eat Me, Drink Me (2007)
The High End of Low (2009)
Born Villain (2012)

(Ive never heard any of these, I just know he never stopped making music)
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 12, 2013, 11:42:28 am
didn't manson quit music after such a critical backlash in the media post-columbine?
As in didnt make ANY music or do ANY touring since Columbine?

NO.

Since 1999:
Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) (2000)
The Golden Age of Grotesque (2003)
Eat Me, Drink Me (2007)
The High End of Low (2009)
Born Villain (2012)

(Ive never heard any of these, I just know he never stopped making music)

the The Golden Age of Grotesque  is a decent album and went to number 1.  Holy Wood sold 9 million copies. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on March 12, 2013, 12:10:58 pm
Wikipedia is not a credible source on Holy Wood selling 9 million copies, and their source for this figure is some company that has a vested interest in promoting MM. Besides, that's a global number. The only metric that counts when discussing record sales is U.S. sales. And in the U.S., it sold less than a million.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on March 12, 2013, 12:23:09 pm
I remember when in-stores were free, and you didn't have to buy the album to get a ticket to an in-store.

I guess record stores have to do what they need to to survive.

I also guess that one has to look at it as a cd purchase with a live performance as a bonus.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 12, 2013, 12:39:55 pm
Wikipedia is not a credible source on Holy Wood selling 9 million copies, and their source for this figure is some company that has a vested interest in promoting MM. Besides, that's a global number. The only metric that counts when discussing record sales is U.S. sales. And in the U.S., it sold less than a million.

Why does only US sales count?  Anyway it sold enough copies that you should have known about it.  And the next one went to number one in the US. You can't get higher than number one.  Point is if you didn't know about the albums you are probably out of touch.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on March 12, 2013, 12:51:18 pm
Being out of touch with popular music is a good thing, right? Sort of like not drinking InvBev or Miller-Coors beers?

Wikipedia is not a credible source on Holy Wood selling 9 million copies, and their source for this figure is some company that has a vested interest in promoting MM. Besides, that's a global number. The only metric that counts when discussing record sales is U.S. sales. And in the U.S., it sold less than a million.

Why does only US sales count?  Anyway it sold enough copies that you should have known about it.  And the next one went to number one in the US. You can't get higher than number one.  Point is if you didn't know about the albums you are probably out of touch.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 12, 2013, 01:27:28 pm
Being out of touch with popular music is a good thing, right? Sort of like not drinking InvBev or Miller-Coors beers?

Wikipedia is not a credible source on Holy Wood selling 9 million copies, and their source for this figure is some company that has a vested interest in promoting MM. Besides, that's a global number. The only metric that counts when discussing record sales is U.S. sales. And in the U.S., it sold less than a million.

Why does only US sales count?  Anyway it sold enough copies that you should have known about it.  And the next one went to number one in the US. You can't get higher than number one.  Point is if you didn't know about the albums you are probably out of touch.

Why is Inbev bad?  I mean they make some tasty beer.... for example Goose Island and Bass
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on March 12, 2013, 01:48:14 pm
I think we've covered the evils of InvBev (and Miller-Coors) pretty well in the beer thread, but use the google and I'm sure you'll easily find the answer.

Being out of touch with popular music is a good thing, right? Sort of like not drinking InvBev or Miller-Coors beers?

Wikipedia is not a credible source on Holy Wood selling 9 million copies, and their source for this figure is some company that has a vested interest in promoting MM. Besides, that's a global number. The only metric that counts when discussing record sales is U.S. sales. And in the U.S., it sold less than a million.

Why does only US sales count?  Anyway it sold enough copies that you should have known about it.  And the next one went to number one in the US. You can't get higher than number one.  Point is if you didn't know about the albums you are probably out of touch.

Why is Inbev bad?  I mean they make some tasty beer.... for example Goose Island and Bass
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 12, 2013, 02:09:23 pm
I remember when in-stores were free, and you didn't have to buy the album to get a ticket to an in-store.

I guess record stores have to do what they need to to survive.

I also guess that one has to look at it as a cd purchase with a live performance as a bonus.

I think the wristband guarantees your entrance.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on March 12, 2013, 02:41:27 pm
didn't manson quit music after such a critical backlash in the media post-columbine?
As in didnt make ANY music or do ANY touring since Columbine?

NO.

Since 1999:
Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) (2000)
The Golden Age of Grotesque (2003)
Eat Me, Drink Me (2007)
The High End of Low (2009)
Born Villain (2012)

(Ive never heard any of these, I just know he never stopped making music)

oh.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on March 12, 2013, 02:42:36 pm
Why is Inbev bad? 

they donate 50% of the profits to north korea's nuclear program.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: showlistdc on March 12, 2013, 03:52:14 pm
Ive seen vague mentions of the Dave Mann/9th and Beats split... Anyone have any details?  Also the Nightmare Air show... Seems to be multiple days listed, and it still says 9th and Beats (though Showlistdc i think your calendar have them listed on the day they are supposed to play in Norfolk, whose bill i WISH we had with SVI and Ceremony also on there).

Hey, I updated the listing-- you're right, I had the date and lineup wrong.  I probably pulled the wrong thing off of Dave's facebook stream.  Apparently some 9th & Beats shows are moving and some are staying put-- I'm still working with both parties to figure out what's where, and I'll keep SLDC updated as I learn more.

Never fear, though, apparently Dave Mann has booked some show at the Black Cat's main stage on 3/30.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 12, 2013, 06:22:36 pm
Rumors of two nights of Phish at MPP - 7/13-14

Announced.

07/13 ? Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion
07/14 ? Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion

a saturday and a sunday... clearing out the parking lot on saturday night is going to be a pain in the ass.  i wonder how many of those phisheads show up expecting to camp overnight.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 12, 2013, 06:26:41 pm
Sparks US tour apparently does not include a DC date..Philly is closest ..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 13, 2013, 08:22:35 am
Rumors of two nights of Phish at MPP - 7/13-14

Announced.

07/13 ? Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion
07/14 ? Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion

a saturday and a sunday... clearing out the parking lot on saturday night is going to be a pain in the ass.  i wonder how many of those phisheads show up expecting to camp overnight.

I am so glad I will be away that weekend!
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on March 13, 2013, 09:15:22 am
Rumors of two nights of Phish at MPP - 7/13-14

Announced.

07/13 ? Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion
07/14 ? Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion

a saturday and a sunday... clearing out the parking lot on saturday night is going to be a pain in the ass.  i wonder how many of those phisheads show up expecting to camp overnight.

Slim to none. It's not like Phish playing MPP is new, they've been playing there since the 90's. Wooks know the rules.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 13, 2013, 10:29:57 am
Rumors of two nights of Phish at MPP - 7/13-14

Announced.

07/13 ? Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion
07/14 ? Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion

a saturday and a sunday... clearing out the parking lot on saturday night is going to be a pain in the ass.  i wonder how many of those phisheads show up expecting to camp overnight.

Slim to none. It's not like Phish playing MPP is new, they've been playing there since the 90's. Wooks know the rules.

but how many two-night weekend stands have they played?  getting tickets to both shows, and wanting to save money for teh partay favors wink wink might motivate some to think that spending a july night under the stars isn't such a bad idea. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 13, 2013, 10:46:38 am
They have played two nights there for the past few years, I think. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: fatskippy on March 13, 2013, 11:15:05 am
They played 2 nights in 2010 and 2011. I think people overestimate how weird/unruly the Phish crowd is.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on March 13, 2013, 11:37:03 am
They played 2 nights in 2010 and 2011. I think people overestimate how weird/unruly the Phish crowd is.

Exactly... They've played two night runs there in 10' and 11' both on the weekend. Also, I think steam has been lost on gaining a lot of new young broke wookie phans and the majority are fat pear shaped white guys that make a lot of money.  :o
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on March 13, 2013, 12:51:41 pm
fat pear shaped white guys that make a lot of money.  :o

[present company excluded]
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Yada on March 13, 2013, 01:12:10 pm
fat pear shaped white guys that make a lot of money.  :o

[present company excluded]

It was sarcasm... a little bit. But the generalization that Phish fans are a bunch of low life dirty hippies is so 90's.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on March 13, 2013, 04:50:56 pm
Final Schedule is up for MACRock.  I have a lot of bands to check out.  They added tons since their last update.

COURT SQUARE THEATER SATURDAY 4/6
Cat Martino ? 10:10 ? 10:50PM

Cat Martino opened for Mark Gardner at the 9:30 Club awhile back. I was really surprisingly impressed with her set. Especially loved the Fairport Convention cover she did.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 13, 2013, 06:26:03 pm
BLUE NILE FRIDAY 4/5

 :o :o :o

Zoroaster ? 11:10 ? 11:50PM
A Life Once Lost ? 10:10 ? 10:50PM
Earthling ? 9:20 ? 9:50PM
BearTrap ? 8:30 ? 9:00PM
Drugs of Faith ? 7:40 ? 8:10PM
Black Mask ? 6:50 ? 7:20PM
Miami Nights ? 6:10 ? 6:30PM
Lord Almighty ? 5:30 ? 5:50PM
Vomiting Dinosaurs ? 4:50 ? 5:10PM

etc.

Oh... ???
Is Blue Nile also a band?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 13, 2013, 06:41:34 pm
Yes - The Blue Nile was an 80s Scottish pop act that heavily used synths.  The singer has done the occasional show in last few years..
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 13, 2013, 06:42:25 pm
BLUE NILE FRIDAY 4/5

 :o :o :o

Zoroaster ? 11:10 ? 11:50PM
A Life Once Lost ? 10:10 ? 10:50PM
Earthling ? 9:20 ? 9:50PM
BearTrap ? 8:30 ? 9:00PM
Drugs of Faith ? 7:40 ? 8:10PM
Black Mask ? 6:50 ? 7:20PM
Miami Nights ? 6:10 ? 6:30PM
Lord Almighty ? 5:30 ? 5:50PM
Vomiting Dinosaurs ? 4:50 ? 5:10PM

etc.

Oh... ???
Is Blue Nile also a band?

Their debut album A Walk Across The Rooftops is one of the most beloved pop albums of the 80s.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 13, 2013, 08:16:27 pm
Yes - The Blue Nile was an 80s Scottish pop act that heavily used synths.  The singer has done the occasional show in last few years..


For a good stretch the Blue Nile's Hats album was my preferred LP for going to sleep...if you can't fall asleep to that you need help.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 13, 2013, 08:26:08 pm
i enjoy the way the jam band fan base has changed over the years.  the wookies are still there, but they are like a sideshow attraction now to the rest of us that go.  yes, yada had it correct.  we grew up, we got good jobs, park our nicer cars in the lots, and we still like phish.  camping . . . who does that anymore at a show?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: wml7 on March 13, 2013, 08:53:44 pm
Bonnaroo
 ;D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 13, 2013, 11:50:06 pm
Go see Eternal Summers.
I feel as though your fancy would be tickled by them.

Only if I can find someone to go with, I definitely wont drive out there for a two day fest by myself. Ive heard their recorded stuff, its good.  If i dont go, Im sure I can see most of the ones I would want to at some other time.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 14, 2013, 10:15:46 am
i would go with you . . . but i dont like people.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 18, 2013, 09:20:47 am
Ehh, personally I'm always surprised to see Seth Hurwitz come on here and frequently express such sneering contempt for a group of people that are among his best customers. So when he makes a statement like that, which always seems to have a strain of "oh you idiots don't know shit" I just shrug it off as, oh here's the owner being all Mr. Tough Guy again.

i didn't get any sneer or condescension.

Atoms for Peace
9/30
Basketball stadium in Fairfax

noooooooooooo... i mean, i'll be there, but nooooooooooooo...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 18, 2013, 09:40:08 am
Ehh, personally I'm always surprised to see Seth Hurwitz come on here and frequently express such sneering contempt for a group of people that are among his best customers. So when he makes a statement like that, which always seems to have a strain of "oh you idiots don't know shit" I just shrug it off as, oh here's the owner being all Mr. Tough Guy again.

i didn't get any sneer or condescension.

Atoms for Peace
9/30
Basketball stadium in Fairfax

noooooooooooo... i mean, i'll be there, but nooooooooooooo...

yes but you in love with seth and would never ever say anything bad about your little best buddy there and will always stick up for your fella.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 18, 2013, 10:50:00 am
yes but you in love with seth and would never ever say anything bad about your little best buddy there and will always stick up for your fella.

did you perceive any sneer in seth's reply?  just wondering if i'm alone in interpreting seth's reply as not being disrespectful...

i'll call out seth when he does something i disagree with, i've done so before.  maybe it's my professional background but i often understand where he's coming from.  a lot of people whine about sh*t as if they are entitled to concerts and forget that he's running a business.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 18, 2013, 11:36:18 am
well actually . . . if you must know, i felt a little of a both sided coin in the statement, but that is life and how we live it in everytime moments that just keep on coming.  he was defending that artwork that is music, the way people in the business are there for a business, "you mass idiots."  i mean come on, artists know who they are appealing to with their prices and how far they can stretch away from the fact that the tangible cd sale avenue is forever closed.  now you have a big ugly kettle on the ground where people can either throw a few coins in to pass or just walk on by the fucking person who built the road and use it any which way including loose.  i saw the passion of the seth in his speech to whomever he delivered it to through his post.  people have to be able to make livings at what they do . . . and everybody wants to make it the best, be the best, make the most money.  i do.

but i also saw a "sort of fuck off if you dont like it" as well.  but that it ok.  life has room for fucking off.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Justin Tonation on March 18, 2013, 12:57:17 pm
Atoms for Peace
9/30
Basketball stadium in Fairfax
at least it's indoors

The time of year when we have some our best weather and you want to be indoors?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 18, 2013, 01:00:05 pm
i would go with you . . . but i dont like people.
Its cool... I decided not to go anyways (didnt want to go alone).  So I will probably instead see Chelsea Light Moving and also the Baltimore popfest if Az still goes, for that week's shows.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on March 18, 2013, 02:01:49 pm
too bad.  i was joking anyway.  i dont actually hate people, but strangers do make me nervous.  i dont know why.  it makes me not trust people, and then you just go around thinking you are going to get shot or stabbed.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: killsaly on March 18, 2013, 02:57:44 pm
I might still go.  But not sure if I want to do two road trips in one month.

(im not a huge fan of strangers either.  If I go to a show alone i try to keep to myself.  But I must look approachable because i usually get a stranger or two conversing with me at all shows, which I guess isnt that bad).
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on March 18, 2013, 03:02:12 pm
see vansmack . . . seth does not capitalize either.   :)

We will be discussing his lack of use of the shift key while being catered to at our next luncheon.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on March 18, 2013, 03:15:33 pm
What most of you really take issue with is not the price of the show, but that others either can or are willing to pay a price that you are not willing to pay.

The difference of course is that Seth is here and willing to take your schtick and you are too lazy or not willing to go stand outside a show and question those that did something you did not want to do, mostly because you probably really don't care enough to do anything more than type a few poorly worded sentences to vent your frustrations.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: excontradiction on March 18, 2013, 03:27:05 pm
Would now be a bad time to complain about James Blake being booked on Mother's Day?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 18, 2013, 04:37:43 pm
What most of you really take issue with is not the price of the show, but that others either can or are willing to pay a price that you are not willing to pay.

The difference of course is that Seth is here and willing to take your schtick and you are too lazy or not willing to go stand outside a show and question those that did something you did not want to do, mostly because you probably really don't care enough to do anything more than type a few poorly worded sentences to vent your frustrations.

i have no problem being able to pay to see Morrissey at that cost but he is a has-been.  He isn't worth the money.  The most I have ever paid in face falue for tickets was for the decemberists (75 dollars) and they had an orchestra with them.  Convincing people to stop overpaying for nostalgia shows isn't going to happen.  You have people who only go to people way past their prime and they aren't paying to see the artist but to get a feeling back from their youth.

Anyway Sigur Ros and Beach House are coming up.  I might actually have paid 141 dollars to see those bands. Fortunatley their fans are not all in their 50's so the tickets are cheaper.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: James Ford on March 18, 2013, 04:45:08 pm
Morrissey is a has-been, but the Decemberists are a never-was.

What most of you really take issue with is not the price of the show, but that others either can or are willing to pay a price that you are not willing to pay.

The difference of course is that Seth is here and willing to take your schtick and you are too lazy or not willing to go stand outside a show and question those that did something you did not want to do, mostly because you probably really don't care enough to do anything more than type a few poorly worded sentences to vent your frustrations.

i have no problem being able to pay to see Morrissey at that cost but he is a has-been.  He isn't worth the money.  The most I have ever paid in face falue for tickets was for the decemberists (75 dollars) and they had an orchestra with them.  Convincing people to stop overpaying for nostalgia shows isn't going to happen.  You have people who only go to people way past their prime and they aren't paying to see the artist but to get a feeling back from their youth.

Anyway Sigur Ros and Beach House are coming up.  I might actually have paid 141 dollars to see those bands. Fortunatley their fans are not all in their 50's so the tickets are cheaper.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: reggie on March 18, 2013, 04:54:19 pm
I saw Colin Meloy at Iota where he sold a Morrissey covers cd. I bought 3 of these cds and sold each on ebay for $150 bucks to ridiculous Decemberists fans.

Not sure what I was thinking liking the first Decemberists album, but 400 bucks in profit on zero work is awesome.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: stevewizzle on March 18, 2013, 05:34:12 pm
Would now be a bad time to complain about James Blake being booked on Mother's Day?

bring mom to the show
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 18, 2013, 05:47:55 pm
Morrissey is a has-been, but the Decemberists are a never-was.

What most of you really take issue with is not the price of the show, but that others either can or are willing to pay a price that you are not willing to pay.

The difference of course is that Seth is here and willing to take your schtick and you are too lazy or not willing to go stand outside a show and question those that did something you did not want to do, mostly because you probably really don't care enough to do anything more than type a few poorly worded sentences to vent your frustrations.

i have no problem being able to pay to see Morrissey at that cost but he is a has-been.  He isn't worth the money.  The most I have ever paid in face falue for tickets was for the decemberists (75 dollars) and they had an orchestra with them.  Convincing people to stop overpaying for nostalgia shows isn't going to happen.  You have people who only go to people way past their prime and they aren't paying to see the artist but to get a feeling back from their youth.

Anyway Sigur Ros and Beach House are coming up.  I might actually have paid 141 dollars to see those bands. Fortunatley their fans are not all in their 50's so the tickets are cheaper.

Decemeberists career is 10 times better than Morrissey's solo career. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: reggie on March 18, 2013, 06:19:52 pm
"The thing I like is way better than this thing that other people like!!!" Who cares man.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 19, 2013, 08:14:50 am
What most of you really take issue with is not the price of the show, but that others either can or are willing to pay a price that you are not willing to pay.

The difference of course is that Seth is here and willing to take your schtick and you are too lazy or not willing to go stand outside a show and question those that did something you did not want to do, mostly because you probably really don't care enough to do anything more than type a few poorly worded sentences to vent your frustrations.

i have no problem being able to pay to see Morrissey at that cost but he is a has-been.  He isn't worth the money.  The most I have ever paid in face falue for tickets was for the decemberists (75 dollars) and they had an orchestra with them.  Convincing people to stop overpaying for nostalgia shows isn't going to happen.  You have people who only go to people way past their prime and they aren't paying to see the artist but to get a feeling back from their youth.

Anyway Sigur Ros and Beach House are coming up.  I might actually have paid 141 dollars to see those bands. Fortunatley their fans are not all in their 50's so the tickets are cheaper.


He is not a has-been.  Please stop calling him that.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 19, 2013, 08:15:23 am
and if you don't want to pay it, then don't go.  It will be nice not to sit next to you and listen to you complain about the price of the ticket.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 09:04:14 am
WOW peter murphy


what a weird story...

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 10:07:40 am
What most of you really take issue with is not the price of the show, but that others either can or are willing to pay a price that you are not willing to pay.

The difference of course is that Seth is here and willing to take your schtick and you are too lazy or not willing to go stand outside a show and question those that did something you did not want to do, mostly because you probably really don't care enough to do anything more than type a few poorly worded sentences to vent your frustrations.

i have no problem being able to pay to see Morrissey at that cost but he is a has-been.  He isn't worth the money.  The most I have ever paid in face falue for tickets was for the decemberists (75 dollars) and they had an orchestra with them.  Convincing people to stop overpaying for nostalgia shows isn't going to happen.  You have people who only go to people way past their prime and they aren't paying to see the artist but to get a feeling back from their youth.

Anyway Sigur Ros and Beach House are coming up.  I might actually have paid 141 dollars to see those bands. Fortunatley their fans are not all in their 50's so the tickets are cheaper.


He is not a has-been.  Please stop calling him that.


Last decent song was "More you ignore me, the closer i get" which came out in 1994.  that was 19 years ago.  His live shows are comically bad.  I don't know how much more of a has-been you can get.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 19, 2013, 10:18:53 am
That is your opinion.  I personally love most of his newer albums and think he's still fantastic live. 

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on March 19, 2013, 10:28:20 am
Can't say that I've seen Morrissey live but I've heard nothing but good about his shows.

Bottom line: some oldtimers can carry it off while others can't. Assuming one can't just because they are older only shows one's ignorance. There are definitely some who have become nothing but a nostalgia act, or should even just hang it up, while others go on to provide us with their art for decades.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: K8teebug on March 19, 2013, 10:37:57 am
Deerhunter.  Yes or no?  Love their albums, but have never seen him live...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: imbecile on March 19, 2013, 10:55:51 am
Deerhunter.  Yes or no?  Love their albums, but have never seen him live...

Total has-beens; haven't released anything decent in months.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Jaguar on March 19, 2013, 11:01:03 am
^ POTW
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 11:30:25 am
Deerhunter.  Yes or no?  Love their albums, but have never seen him live...

terrible live band.  boring beyond belief.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 11:31:24 am
That is your opinion.  I personally love most of his newer albums and think he's still fantastic live. 



and my opinion also is he is a has-been and people go to see him do smith songs and earlier songs from his career.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2013, 12:15:51 pm
That is your opinion.  I personally love most of his newer albums and think he's still fantastic live. 



and my opinion also is he is a has-been and people go to see him do smith songs and earlier songs from his career.

yes, you've now stated that twice.

but you're forgiven for repeating yourself... apparently you don't listen to yourself either.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 12:19:07 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on March 19, 2013, 01:58:16 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?


Someone who's moment "has been" done passed already.......?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 02:08:06 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?


Someone who's moment "has been" done passed already.......?

"moment"? That seems a bit harsh of a criteria....but let me ask you to specify what you mean by "who's moment"...thanks.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 02:12:40 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?



has-been
n
Informal a person or thing that is no longer popular, successful, effective, etc.
Collins English Dictionary ? Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on March 19, 2013, 02:26:11 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?


Someone who's moment "has been" done passed already.......?

"moment"? That seems a bit harsh of a criteria....but let me ask you to specify what you mean by "who's moment"...thanks.
atomicfront's?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 02:34:13 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?



has-been
n
Informal a person or thing that is no longer popular, successful, effective, etc.
Collins English Dictionary ? Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003


by that criteria Morrissey is no has been as he sells out concerts in 30 minutes at the highest prices- by far- he has ever charged..

Or no? Please clarify. Thanks.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: azaghal1981 on March 19, 2013, 02:47:39 pm
Deerhunter.  Yes or no?  Love their albums, but have never seen him live...

terrible live band.  boring beyond belief.

You like Beach House live, do you not? That is as boring as live music could possibly get.

Not a Deerhunter superfan by any means but I have seen many bands that were more boring. If you like their studio output, chances are you will enjoy them live unless you are Atomicfront. They used to be more aggressive and confrontational but Bradford has since mellowed out.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 03:23:11 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?



has-been
n
Informal a person or thing that is no longer popular, successful, effective, etc.
Collins English Dictionary ? Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003


by that criteria Morrissey is no has been as he sells out concerts in 30 minutes at the highest prices- by far- he has ever charged..

Or no? Please clarify. Thanks.

selling out tiny places.  When I saw Morrissey he was playing MPP and had huge crowd.  And he didn't even do Smiths songs back then.   Now he is playing places a fraction of the size and has to play smiths songs.   He was only playing club shows a while back until a few people started missing their youth. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 03:24:08 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?



has-been
n
Informal a person or thing that is no longer popular, successful, effective, etc.
Collins English Dictionary ? Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003


by that criteria Morrissey is no has been as he sells out concerts in 30 minutes at the highest prices- by far- he has ever charged..

Or no? Please clarify. Thanks.

selling out tiny places.  When I saw Morrissey he was playing MPP and had huge crowd.  And he didn't even do Smiths songs back then.   Now he is playing places a fraction of the size and has to play smiths songs.   He was only playing club shows a while back until a few people started missing their youth. 

so were the Smiths has beens when they played the Warner Theatre back in 1985?

Please clarify
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 03:24:22 pm
Deerhunter.  Yes or no?  Love their albums, but have never seen him live...

terrible live band.  boring beyond belief.

You like Beach House live, do you not? That is as boring as live music could possibly get.

Not a Deerhunter superfan by any means but I have seen many bands that were more boring. If you like their studio output, chances are you will enjoy them live unless you are Atomicfront. They used to be more aggressive and confrontational but Bradford has since mellowed out.


i have never heard their studio output.  But just a bass, guitar, drums and male lead singer doing boring straight ahead rock n roll.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 03:25:19 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?



has-been
n
Informal a person or thing that is no longer popular, successful, effective, etc.
Collins English Dictionary ? Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003


by that criteria Morrissey is no has been as he sells out concerts in 30 minutes at the highest prices- by far- he has ever charged..

Or no? Please clarify. Thanks.

selling out tiny places.  When I saw Morrissey he was playing MPP and had huge crowd.  And he didn't even do Smiths songs back then.   Now he is playing places a fraction of the size and has to play smiths songs.   He was only playing club shows a while back until a few people started missing their youth. 

so were the Smiths has beens when they played the Warner Theatre back in 1985?

Please clarify

No they were on their way up.  they played a bigger venue in 1986 GW basketball stadium venue.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 03:33:05 pm
What is a "has been" anyways?



has-been
n
Informal a person or thing that is no longer popular, successful, effective, etc.
Collins English Dictionary ? Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003


by that criteria Morrissey is no has been as he sells out concerts in 30 minutes at the highest prices- by far- he has ever charged..

Or no? Please clarify. Thanks.

selling out tiny places.  When I saw Morrissey he was playing MPP and had huge crowd.  And he didn't even do Smiths songs back then.   Now he is playing places a fraction of the size and has to play smiths songs.   He was only playing club shows a while back until a few people started missing their youth. 

so were the Smiths has beens when they played the Warner Theatre back in 1985?

Please clarify

No they were on their way up.  they played a bigger venue in 1986 GW basketball stadium venue.

so musicians can't play smaller more intimate places or they're has beens even if they sell them out with much higher average ticket prices compared to the bigger places? Please clarify. Thanks.

Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 03:40:02 pm
but Atomicfront raises an important question...

let's say a musician played the best show of his life... and only 10 people were there... is that  a has been?

the show was the best show of his life... is what determines whether you're a has been or not what people who aren't even there think of you? seems odd...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 19, 2013, 03:54:06 pm
It's not possible music has to be popular before its considered good
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2013, 03:59:42 pm
It's not possible music has to be popular before its considered good

and to think that after years of reading the musings of this board, i had come to the conclusion that music is only good before it gets popular.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 19, 2013, 04:07:23 pm
And its even less good if  the group only has guitars, bass and drums
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on March 19, 2013, 04:21:26 pm
It's not possible music has to be popular before its considered good

and to think that after years of reading the musings of this board, i had come to the conclusion that music is only good before it gets popular.
nailed it
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 19, 2013, 04:31:24 pm
Which begs the question of at which populatity point does a band's music turn from bad to good.  A one point for instance Coldplay was just another band giging around the UK and had a single on a small indie label.  When did their output magically become good?  1000, 5000, 10K fans?  Enquiring minds want to know...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on March 19, 2013, 04:36:10 pm
Lol, people like Coldplay.  :D
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Relaxer on March 19, 2013, 04:50:29 pm
Which begs the question of at which populatity point does a band's music turn from bad to good.  A one point for instance Coldplay was just another band giging around the UK and had a single on a small indie label.  When did their output magically become good?  1000, 5000, 10K fans?  Enquiring minds want to know...

I think some of the 'popular' backlash arises when a band deliberately smooths out its sound in a clear attempt to sell more units. I still think Coldplay's first album is a great guitar album but subsequent albums centered all around Chris Martin's voice and piano, and I lost interest.

Similar with Metallica. Even when they were selling millions of copies of Master of Puppets and Justice for All, they still kept their core constituency, but when they slowed the songs down and made them much more user-friendly on the Black album, that's when people cried foul.

There's always the snob factor of not liking something after everyone else discovers them, but a lot of times it's the band's own fault.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: nkotb on March 19, 2013, 04:52:58 pm
THIS IS SOOOO BORING.

What is a "has been" anyways?



has-been
n
Informal a person or thing that is no longer popular, successful, effective, etc.
Collins English Dictionary ? Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003


by that criteria Morrissey is no has been as he sells out concerts in 30 minutes at the highest prices- by far- he has ever charged..

Or no? Please clarify. Thanks.

selling out tiny places.  When I saw Morrissey he was playing MPP and had huge crowd.  And he didn't even do Smiths songs back then.   Now he is playing places a fraction of the size and has to play smiths songs.   He was only playing club shows a while back until a few people started missing their youth. 

so were the Smiths has beens when they played the Warner Theatre back in 1985?

Please clarify

No they were on their way up.  they played a bigger venue in 1986 GW basketball stadium venue.

so musicians can't play smaller more intimate places or they're has beens even if they sell them out with much higher average ticket prices compared to the bigger places? Please clarify. Thanks.


Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 05:17:06 pm
but Atomicfront raises an important question...

let's say a musician played the best show of his life... and only 10 people were there... is that  a has been?

the show was the best show of his life... is what determines whether you're a has been or not what people who aren't even there think of you? seems odd...

jesus christ you know Morrissey is a freaking has-been.  If he only played his last 3 albums would most people enjoy the show?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 05:20:16 pm
It's not possible music has to be popular before its considered good

Not at all.  The Replacements best album by far is "Let it Be".  they weren't popular.  WHen they got popular they weren't very good. You can actually be a has-been and sell more copies than when you were good.  The fact that a lot of you can't determine when an act starts going on a downward spiral with their musical output somehow is a mystery to me.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 05:21:57 pm
Which begs the question of at which populatity point does a band's music turn from bad to good.  A one point for instance Coldplay was just another band giging around the UK and had a single on a small indie label.  When did their output magically become good?  1000, 5000, 10K fans?  Enquiring minds want to know...

I think some of the 'popular' backlash arises when a band deliberately smooths out its sound in a clear attempt to sell more units. I still think Coldplay's first album is a great guitar album but subsequent albums centered all around Chris Martin's voice and piano, and I lost interest.

Similar with Metallica. Even when they were selling millions of copies of Master of Puppets and Justice for All, they still kept their core constituency, but when they slowed the songs down and made them much more user-friendly on the Black album, that's when people cried foul.

There's always the snob factor of not liking something after everyone else discovers them, but a lot of times it's the band's own fault.

THe only decent Metallica album was the Black Album. 
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 05:25:20 pm
Which begs the question of at which populatity point does a band's music turn from bad to good.  A one point for instance Coldplay was just another band giging around the UK and had a single on a small indie label.  When did their output magically become good?  1000, 5000, 10K fans?  Enquiring minds want to know...

THeir music was good from day one.  Putting out quality album year after year while doing amazing shows is what increased their popularity. I mean Travis put out a decent album or two and then they started putting out shit albums. They could have become as big as Coldplay Same with Snow Patrol.  And Keene really only had that one album before they started putting out crap.

I find it funny that people think that bands just become popular by luck.  Bands like U2 and Coldplay have gotten that big by putting out quality album after quality album and putting a lot of effort into their shows.  Going back to the early 80's you could tell that Depeche Mode and the Cure were the bands that would get huge.  And bands like the Fall and the Replacements would amount to shit...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: vansmack on March 19, 2013, 05:28:19 pm
Seeing small bands become popular serves only to reinforce how brilliant I am.

Watching them fade away serves only to demonstrate how old I am getting.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 05:37:43 pm
but Atomicfront raises an important question...

let's say a musician played the best show of his life... and only 10 people were there... is that  a has been?

the show was the best show of his life... is what determines whether you're a has been or not what people who aren't even there think of you? seems odd...

jesus christ you know Morrissey is a freaking has-been.  If he only played his last 3 albums would most people enjoy the show?

But this is imbecilic to the core. What are you measuring in a live performance? The live performance or if the "new songs are as good as the old on the records"?

I saw Joao Gilberto play at Carnegie Hall about 8 years ago... he probably didn't play any song he'd composed in a few decades. It was just him and his acoustic guitar...he was in his mid 70s... it was magnificent.. Am I supposed to say because the songs were old he's a has been? At the end of the day its the PERFORMANCE that matters in judging a concert and not when the songs were written or by who...seems to me.

As far as Morrissey I must admit I haven't listened to his latest stuff much (one of the records was so brickwalled) but if people are selling out his shows at record prices then that does not seem like a "has been"... I did think, of the songs I heard, that some seemed pretty vintage Moz to me (ie., America is not the World)...But Atomicfront, let me ask you this about Moz, do you think Kill Uncle was the work of a  has been because that is one of my favorites.. the fact the critics hated it means zero to me.... or Your Arsenal or Vauxhall.. are those the work of a has been?

But it is my opinion that even if every record for the past 20 years sucked if the artist can still bring it live and people leave a show happy then that is not a has been..that is a succesful performer and it doesn't matter if there are 10 people there who leave happy or 10,000...
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: chaz on March 19, 2013, 05:52:00 pm
When atomicfront soliloquizes on a band's brilliance he seriously sounds like  Patrick Bateman going on and on about Phil Collins or Huey Lewis.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: sweetcell on March 19, 2013, 05:52:27 pm
THe only decent Metallica album was the Black Album. 

mark your calendars, folks, because today is the day that atomicfront has officially become a parody of himself.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 05:54:30 pm
Morrissey was putting out top quality songs through Vauxhall and I.

But I was thinking last night isn't it better for a band to like the Who and stop putting out albums when they can't put out great songs anymore and just tour or be a band like the Rolling Stones who put out crap album after crap album?
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 05:55:10 pm
When atomicfront soliloquizes on a band's brilliance he seriously sounds like  Patrick Bateman going on and on about Phil Collins or Huey Lewis.

hey those were the best parts of the movie.  and i have to agree with patrick that Phil's solo work was a lot better than anything genesis ever put out.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: Shithouses on March 19, 2013, 05:55:51 pm
I also think part of the reason an artist tends to have a curve of popularity is that after say 10 years their audience kind of moves on...its easy to identify with Moz in your teens and 20s but by the time you're having kids in your late 30s/40s who needs it?

I think that is the case with a lot of musicians..their fans kind of move on..so the sales are not always a reflection of the quality of their newer material
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: atomicfront on March 19, 2013, 05:59:29 pm
I also think part of the reason an artist tends to have a curve of popularity is that after say 10 years their audience kind of moves on...its easy to identify with Moz in your teens and 20s but by the time you're having kids in your late 30s/40s who needs it?

I think that is the case with a lot of musicians..their fans kind of move on..so the sales are not always a reflection of the quality of their newer material

well also the artists that were putting out an album a year when they were younger start putting an album out every 4 or 5 years and then people forget about them.
Title: Re: Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
Post by: kosmo vinyl on March 19, 2013, 07:07:50 pm
Which begs the question of at which populatity point does a band's music turn from bad to good.  A one point for instance Coldplay was just another band giging around the UK and had a single on a small indie label.  When did their output magically become good?  1000, 5000, 10K fans?  Enquiring minds want to know...

I think some of the 'popular' backlash arises when a band deliberately smooths out its sound in a clear attempt to sell more units. I still think Coldplay's first album is a great guitar album but subsequent albums centered all around Chris Martin's voice and piano, and I lost interest.

Similar with Metallica. Even when they were selling millions of copies of Master of Puppets and Justice for All, they still kept their core constituency, but when they slowed the songs down and made them much more user-friendly on the Black album, that's when people cried foul.

There's always the snob factor of not liking something after everyone else discovers them, but a lot of times it's the band's own fault.

You are over thinking my query... It's a known fact that until a band achieves a certain level of  success/popularity they suck.  So given most bands/artist (excluding supergroups, side projects, solo careers from established bands, American Idol contestants, etc) start out with essentially the same fan base (comprised of friends, girlfriends, parents, drunks at the local open mic night, people using laptops in a coffeehouse, if they are lucky a few bloggers) , even a band that gets wildly popular will at have suritome point sucked.  This is even if the band hasn't changed it's sound, talent or vision from day one.  I just wonder that magical point is when a band stops sucking?

There is of course the Beach House caveat. 

The lingered in obscurity too long clause (i.e. Elliott Smith)

The artist didn't get success until featured in a Volksw