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Title: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on December 17, 2013, 10:45:24 am
why was the thread locked??

anyway, it really sucks that BRob went to the Yankees. I don't care that he's gone...he hasn't been great.  But out of all teams...did it really have to be the Yankees?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on December 17, 2013, 10:56:11 am
why was the thread locked??

anyway, it really sucks that BRob went to the Yankees. I don't care that he's gone...he hasn't been great.  But out of all teams...did it really have to be the Yankees?

I am happy he is going to the Yankees.  He should be even worse next year.  Going from Cano to Roberts..how the mighty have fallen.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on December 17, 2013, 11:36:27 am
He is dead to me.  I will be booing him.  (and I have only ever booed A-Rod, Texiera, and Ortiz when he acts like an asshole).

PISSED.

I know it's business and all of that, but the YANKEES? 

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2013, 11:54:33 am
why was the thread locked??

Something I said?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on December 17, 2013, 12:15:01 pm
that whats i would think . . . youre so controversial, around here.  im sure in real life, too.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2013, 01:18:50 pm
According to Buster:

"Brian Roberts wanted to go back to the Orioles, but as soon as the team dumped closer Jim Johnson because of payroll restrictions, he reached out to a friend and noted that there probably wouldn?t be room for him"



Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on December 17, 2013, 01:33:46 pm
Brian Roberts is atrocious.. I can't believe the Yankees have stooped that low....

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2013, 01:36:51 pm
More problems...

Gavin Floyd turned down more money from Baltimore to sign with Atlanta (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-offered-gavin-floyd-a-lucrative-twoyear-deal-but-were-turned-down-with-chris-marrero-note-20131216,0,2908958.story)

From ESPN:

Indeed, last season, Camden Yards saw the fourth-most home runs hit per game, according to ESPN's Park Factor, while Atlanta's Turner Field ranked way down that same list at No. 18. That may have played a part in Floyd's decision, since the pitcher has indeed allowed a home run in half of his career starts at the stadium.

Similarly, while Balfour's resistance to sign may be about adding an extra option year to the contract offer already made to the pitcher by the Orioles, the fact that the closer's record has an ERA of 5.56 in Baltimore since 2009 might also be lurking at the back of his mind.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2013, 01:39:22 pm
Brian Roberts is atrocious.. I can't believe the Yankees have stooped that low....

They like his OBP and the chance to mentor Dean Anna, but I agree, he's not a full time solution at 2B.  At least, nor more so than Jemile Weeks, but at least he's a lot cheaper.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on December 17, 2013, 03:18:46 pm
orioles signed balfour for 14 million

is he really worth that much more over jim johnson?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on December 17, 2013, 03:47:07 pm
Yes.

I feel like Johnson will be a head case this year.  Just my opinion.  I'm not a scout!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on December 17, 2013, 04:01:14 pm
orioles signed balfour for 14 million

is he really worth that much more over jim johnson?

Balfour is 7 million a year.  Jim Johnson is 10+ million for this year. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on December 17, 2013, 04:06:11 pm
oic
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 17, 2013, 04:07:16 pm
is he really worth that much more over jim johnson?

Maybe they *really* like Jemile Weeks? (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49589)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 17, 2013, 08:51:14 pm
According to Buster:

"Brian Roberts wanted to go back to the Orioles, but as soon as the team dumped closer Jim Johnson because of payroll restrictions, he reached out to a friend and noted that there probably wouldn?t be room for him"

I think it's kinda crazy if it's true that both he and the O's didn't even speak to each other before he signed with those guys.
 
Edit: Apparently they spoke last week.  I'm sure the O's would have given him a similar contract. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on December 17, 2013, 10:35:46 pm
come on now..who wouldn't want to play for the Yankees before retiring..over continuing with the O's?

the Yankees are the Yankees.. if you love baseball and you know even a little bit about the game you gotta be interested in being a Yankee


although building that new stadium was the most stupid thing i have ever heard of.. talk about pissing away tradition.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on December 18, 2013, 12:56:32 am
come on now..who wouldn't want to play for the Yankees before retiring..over continuing with the O's?

the Yankees are the Yankees.. if you love baseball and you know even a little bit about the game you gotta be interested in being a Yankee


although building that new stadium was the most stupid thing i have ever heard of.. talk about pissing away tradition.

I am sure Roberts would have preferred being an Oriole.  He didn't have a choice as the Orioles didn't want him.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 18, 2013, 08:42:23 am

I am sure Roberts would have preferred being an Oriole.  He didn't have a choice as the Orioles didn't want him.

You know for a fact that they didn't want him?  For $2M plus incentives?  I'm reading that the O's were never given a chance to counter.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: kosmo vinyl on December 18, 2013, 08:52:00 am
not sure why the old thread was locked, i don't generally even look in the sports thread.  and it wasn't butt locked via my phone as i force the forum into WAP mode in my browser.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 18, 2013, 02:14:24 pm
not sure why the old thread was locked, i don't generally even look in the sports thread.  and it wasn't butt locked via my phone as i force the forum into WAP mode in my browser.

And it wasn't my secure server link either....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 18, 2013, 02:30:58 pm
It was locked - just like Mr. Angelos' cash box.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 18, 2013, 06:59:37 pm
Danny Valencia for David Lough.  Looks like we have another candidate for left field.

Lough to replace McLouth? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on December 19, 2013, 12:52:20 pm
come on now..who wouldn't want to play for the Yankees before retiring..over continuing with the O's?

It's not like the Yankees are expected to contend this year, though.  Can't blame him since he wasn't coming back......but I asked my wife to throw out her Roberts t-shirt anyway.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on December 19, 2013, 12:53:51 pm
come on now..who wouldn't want to play for the Yankees before retiring..over continuing with the O's?

It's not like the Yankees are expected to contend this year, though.
  Can't blame him since he wasn't coming back......but I asked my wife to throw out her Roberts t-shirt anyway.

huh? really? 

i hear you on throwing out the roberts shrt... any self-respecting fan should do that...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on December 19, 2013, 01:21:13 pm
Depends on how they finish their off season acquisitions.  As things stand, I wouldn't expect them to be even as good as they were last year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on December 19, 2013, 02:34:13 pm
Depends on how they finish their off season acquisitions.  As things stand, I wouldn't expect them to be even as good as they were last year.

You mean we won't do as well as when we had Arrieta and Freddy Garcia as our starters?  I find that hard to believe.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on December 19, 2013, 03:22:43 pm
Two Balfour tidbits, courtesy of CSNBayArea.com:

*He met his wife when he went in for surgery on a torn rotator cuff in 2005. Angie Balfour worked as an assistant to the orthopedic surgeon who performed the operation.

*When they were teammates with the Brewers? Triple-A Nashville club, Balfour saved R.A. Dickey from drowning in the Missouri River. Dickey, now with the Blue Jays, was trying to win bets that he could swim across the river at Council Bluffs, Iowa, and got caught in the current. Unable to swim back to shore, Dickey did manage to get close enough that Balfour could reach out and pull him from the water.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 19, 2013, 04:30:13 pm
Two Balfour tidbits, courtesy of CSNBayArea.com:

The guy is crazy.  I love watching him.  I've seen him get in so many near fights on the mound by his antics that he has reached the "I'm going to watch this guy no matter what because you never know what's going to happen" stage, and it usually has nothing to do with the game. 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=27602403
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 19, 2013, 10:50:53 pm
Balfour dealing "serious jeopardy" due to injury discovered in physical.
 
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/19/grant-balfours-deal-with-orioles-in-serious-jeopardy-due-to-issue-with-physical/

Knowing Angeles and his history,  it's probably his accent.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 20, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Plan B - Rodney.  Although they won't pay him $10M per season, will they?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on December 20, 2013, 04:48:41 pm
Ball-four will not be an Orioles and Troy Patton will be missing the first 25 games of the season because he is a meth-head.  Not the best day for the Orioles.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 20, 2013, 04:59:21 pm
Ball-four will not be an Orioles and Troy Patton will be missing the first 25 games of the season because he is a meth-head.  Not the best day for the Orioles.

You must have a friend in the warehouse.  You seem to have your finger on the pulse.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 20, 2013, 05:01:22 pm
Ball-four will not be an Orioles and Troy Patton will be missing the first 25 games of the season because he is a meth-head.  Not the best day for the Orioles.

You must have a friend in the warehouse.  You seem to have your finger on the pulse.
Post of the Week.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 20, 2013, 05:03:58 pm
Balfour deal is off by the way.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on December 20, 2013, 06:18:13 pm
Balfour deal is off by the way.

That is what I just posted and you responded to.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 20, 2013, 06:24:32 pm
This franchise never ceases to amaze me.  I take back my assessment that Johnson might not beat out Balfour next season.  Balfour almost certainly has a closer season for the record books next year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 20, 2013, 06:29:47 pm
Plan B - Rodney. 

Seriously.  Who in their right mind with sign with this franchise right now?  Or ever?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 20, 2013, 10:06:34 pm
This franchise never ceases to amaze me.  I take back my assessment that Johnson might not beat out Balfour next season.  Balfour almost certainly has a closer season for the record books next year.

Per Roch:  The Orioles are following the recommendations of three physicians, including one who isn't affiliated with them.

Not sure I'd guarantee him $15M either.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 21, 2013, 09:38:05 pm
Nothing would please me more than another AL East team picking him up:

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com added that Rays team physician Koko Eaton examined Balfour in Tampa on Friday and performed a MRI on the pitcher's throwing shoulder, coming away surprised that the Orioles backed out of the deal.

?The MRI that I did on him today looked exactly the same as the MRI I did three years ago,? Eaton told the website. "It did not look normal compared to a person who does not play baseball for a living. But for someone who plays baseball for a living, it looked normal. There are abnormalities on the MRI as there are on every single baseball player?s. But three years ago, there was no issue, and he had pretty good performance when he was with Oakland.?

If Balfour doesn't sign with Tampa, expect several others to show interest in the proven closer. On Friday, Jim Duquette of MLB Network mentioned the Mariners, White Sox and Yankees as three teams that "need closers and would benefit with Balfour closing out games."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on December 22, 2013, 01:31:21 am
Ball-four will not be an Orioles and Troy Patton will be missing the first 25 games of the season because he is a meth-head.  Not the best day for the Orioles.

You must have a friend in the warehouse.  You seem to have your finger on the pulse.
Post of the Week.

I don't get this.  At first i thought Shemp was applauding me for knowing the latest news.  But then he comes and posts the same thing I did later like it is some new fact.  Really weird.  I post what Orioles reporters state and his reply somehow becomes  post of the week?   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 22, 2013, 12:09:19 pm
Nothing would please me more than another AL East team picking him up:

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com added that Rays team physician Koko Eaton examined Balfour in Tampa on Friday and performed a MRI on the pitcher's throwing shoulder, coming away surprised that the Orioles backed out of the deal.

?The MRI that I did on him today looked exactly the same as the MRI I did three years ago,? Eaton told the website. "It did not look normal compared to a person who does not play baseball for a living. But for someone who plays baseball for a living, it looked normal. There are abnormalities on the MRI as there are on every single baseball player?s. But three years ago, there was no issue, and he had pretty good performance when he was with Oakland.?

If Balfour doesn't sign with Tampa, expect several others to show interest in the proven closer. On Friday, Jim Duquette of MLB Network mentioned the Mariners, White Sox and Yankees as three teams that "need closers and would benefit with Balfour closing out games."

Eaton is also the guy who told Machado on the field that he had a torn ACL.  Nice work, doc.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 23, 2013, 03:51:43 pm
Knowing Angeles and his history,  it's probably his accent.

The Orioles announced today that they claimed Australian-born pitcher Liam Hendriks, 24, off waivers from the Chicago Cubs.

There goes that theory.   ;D
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 27, 2013, 10:59:50 am
RIP.  The best there was.

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/429/124/PaulBlair_display_image.jpg?1318882064)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 10, 2014, 08:39:53 pm
Alex Casillas.  So you've got that going for you...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 13, 2014, 06:58:02 pm
According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Orioles balked at signing Grant Balfour because of knee and wrist issues. It was largely assumed that the deal fell apart because of a shoulder concern, but Olney's source says otherwise.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on January 13, 2014, 07:04:12 pm
According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Orioles balked at signing Grant Balfour because of knee and wrist issues. It was largely assumed that the deal fell apart because of a shoulder concern, but Olney's source says otherwise.

At this point who even cares anymore?  Whomever the source is should just the f up and sign someone already.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 13, 2014, 08:06:17 pm
sign someone already.

Delmon Young.  There you go.

Apparently the O's are no longer shopping for a closer and will take care of it in house.  They are now searching for a veteran starter...this is comical.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 13, 2014, 10:48:29 pm
I'll admit the offseason so far has been less than satisfying.  But throwing money at below average players just because the rest of baseball is doing it doesn't make much sense either.  I'm not a fan of Balfour anyway.  He's a dick.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 14, 2014, 11:41:08 am
I'm with Shemp.  I still trust Buck knows what he's doing.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 14, 2014, 11:58:46 am
I'll admit the offseason so far has been less than satisfying.  But throwing money at below average players just because the rest of baseball is doing it doesn't make much sense either.  I'm not a fan of Balfour anyway.  He's a dick.

He's a dick who gets guys out.  It's not the person for me as much as it's identifying a problem, trying to save money, then agreeing to shell out $15m, back tracking, deciding not to spend the money, and then deciding you don't have that problem any longer - despite doing nothing to fix it besides saving money.

If you could have fixed the problem from within the organization, don't you think they would have done it last season when JJ was struggling?

I'm with Shemp.  I still trust Buck knows what he's doing.

Buck's not in charge of the off season.  Do you trust Dan Duquette?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 14, 2014, 12:04:16 pm
yes
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on January 14, 2014, 12:07:31 pm
I'll admit the offseason so far has been less than satisfying.  But throwing money at below average players just because the rest of baseball is doing it doesn't make much sense either.  I'm not a fan of Balfour anyway.  He's a dick.

Santana and Garza are both above average and there are other guys out there.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 15, 2014, 06:33:51 pm
Looks like they signed Aceves to take Balfour's jerk role.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 15, 2014, 06:40:53 pm
Looks like they signed Aceves to take Balfour's jerk role.

One thing is clear - the AL East sees something in that guy that the rest of the league doesn't.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on January 15, 2014, 06:59:30 pm
Well I hear he is a team player so that is a plus.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2014, 05:37:06 pm
I laughed audibly....

Joe (Chicago)

Thoughts on Orioles offseason?

Kieth Law  (1:29 PM)

Has it started yet?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 16, 2014, 06:47:01 pm
I laughed audibly....

Joe (Chicago)

Thoughts on Orioles offseason?

Kieth Law  (1:29 PM)

Has it started yet?

Like beating a dead horse with these guys.  Who cares?  What kind of marks did they give the Angels after they made their big money moves?  How did that turn out?

It's been an incredibly busy off-season of bottom-feeding.  Some of these moves may even work out.  And it's only January.


 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 17, 2014, 07:10:34 pm
Chris Davis goes from $3.3M to $10.35M.  Quite a raise.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 17, 2014, 07:35:43 pm
Chris Davis goes from $3.3M to $10.35M.  Quite a raise.

A raise of roughly $345k per additional HR hit last season.  Not bad - that's about what he was projected to get.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 23, 2014, 01:04:02 am
Like beating a dead horse with these guys. 

Tyler Colvin deal on hold by Orioles due to physical (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10335532/tyler-colvin-deal-baltimore-orioles-hold-due-physical)

His .241 average should have been reason enough...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 23, 2014, 10:50:30 am
agreed.

It's starting to look pathetic.  And I'm an eternal Orioles dreamer.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 23, 2014, 02:23:49 pm
Nothing would please me more than another AL East team picking him up:



Rays sign Balfour so you'll get to keep a close eye on his progress.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on January 23, 2014, 02:51:38 pm
Nothing would please me more than another AL East team picking him up:



Rays sign Balfour so you'll get to keep a close eye on his progress.

2 years 12 million dollars.  You know when the Rays are outspending you, you have money spending issues.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 23, 2014, 04:48:55 pm
2 years 12 million dollars.  You know when the Rays are outspending you, you have money spending issues.

Oakland agreeing to pay JJ wasn't sign enough for you?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 23, 2014, 06:09:02 pm
Nothing would please me more than another AL East team picking him up:



Rays sign Balfour so you'll get to keep a close eye on his progress.

2 years 12 million dollars.  You know when the Rays are outspending you, you have money spending issues.

The Orioles offered him $14M before the physical.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on January 23, 2014, 06:12:27 pm
Nothing would please me more than another AL East team picking him up:



Rays sign Balfour so you'll get to keep a close eye on his progress.

2 years 12 million dollars.  You know when the Rays are outspending you, you have money spending issues.

The Orioles offered him $14M before the physical.

Then they got buyers remorse and backed out.  It is not like the Orioles have signed anyone else other than minor league type guys.  The rumor is the Orioles are interested in Rodney.  I guess because no one else is interested in him.  Typical bad Oriole signing.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 05, 2014, 02:30:47 pm
Jonah Keri on the O's (http://grantland.com/features/baltimore-orioles-offseason-spending-al-east/)

The MASN discussion was a fantastic one, BTW.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 06, 2014, 06:26:35 pm
Rodney to the Mariners, 2 years $14m.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 06, 2014, 06:35:20 pm
Jonah Keri on the O's (http://grantland.com/features/baltimore-orioles-offseason-spending-al-east/)

The MASN discussion was a fantastic one, BTW.

Good read.  Keri was just on the local CBS sports radio show in Baltimore.  He's got a book coming out next year on the Expos - was a lifelong fan.

Looks like some of these asking prices for starting pitching - Arroyo, Burnett, Jimenez - are decreasing now.  Maybe Duquette knows what he's doing after all.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 06, 2014, 06:39:00 pm
Rodney to the Mariners, 2 years $14m.

Good.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on February 06, 2014, 07:13:08 pm
Rodney to the Mariners, 2 years $14m.

Good.

yeah I never liked that guy.  And Angelos never liked a pitcher making 7 million a year. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 09, 2014, 11:51:06 pm
There's no way Ervin Santana's elbow passes an Orioles physical.  Don't even bother...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 11, 2014, 12:45:22 pm
Some speculation here, but it's believable. The Balfour Effect on the Missed Arroyo Signing (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-bronson-arroyo-grant-balfour-effect-20140210,0,5099758.story)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 13, 2014, 10:33:33 am
Yoon, huh?  We shall see.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on February 13, 2014, 10:39:38 am
Sure hope he doesn't suk.

Yoon, huh?  We shall see.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 13, 2014, 12:52:06 pm
Yoon, huh?  We shall see.

Supposedly, it's a 3-year, $5.725 million deal laden with incentives.  If that's true, then it's a great deal no matter what happens.

Also, pending a physical, and he had a shoulder issue last season.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 13, 2014, 03:25:29 pm
As long as he doesn't turn out to be this year's Wada.

I still can't believe the Phillies gave Burnett $16M for one year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 14, 2014, 12:17:42 pm
Supposedly, it's a 3-year, $5.725 million deal laden with incentives.  If that's true, then it's a great deal no matter what happens.

This is a great deal, if the starts are managed properly.

According to an industry source, Yoon will receive a $675,000 signing bonus and $750,000 in base salary in 2014. He will make $1.75 million in 2015 and $2.4 million in 2016. The deal also includes performance bonuses based on games started that could push the total value of the deal to $13 million.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 14, 2014, 12:18:34 pm
I still can't believe the Phillies gave Burnett $16M for one year.

Flush with TV cash and panicked at the news of Cole Hamels, they rushed this for sure.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 17, 2014, 07:53:31 pm
Jimenez - 4 years $48M is the rumor.  Could get done tonight.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 17, 2014, 08:02:19 pm

Nice raise from last year's $5.75M.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on February 17, 2014, 08:24:36 pm
Jimenez - 4 years $48M is the rumor.  Could get done tonight.

Good news.  Hope he passes the physical.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 18, 2014, 12:59:01 pm
The O's had to had to do something, and since they've now sacrificed their #1 pick, don't stop there - add Nelson Cruz.  I have to think the O's didn't believe that Jimenez alone was worth giving up the #17 pick, but now they're free to add more protected guys, and their value is way down.

Jimenez is going to frustrate you as a fan much the way CJ Wilson frustrates me.  He throws a lot of pitches per inning, trying to be precise with every pitch.  He's also going to tax your bullpen as he rarely gets out of the 6th inning, if he gets there, but the O's are used to that.  You got him cheap on the average cost per year, but added a fourth year to the deal - probably makes him easier to trade if things don't work out. 

I just hope your pitching coach is already on his way to the Dominican to meet with him - he needs a lot of hand holding.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 18, 2014, 01:08:19 pm
He's already in camp.  And pitching coach Dave Wallace is supposedly fluent in Spanish, which should help.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 18, 2014, 03:01:39 pm
I think Morales is a better possibility than Cruz.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 18, 2014, 07:40:37 pm
I think Morales is a better possibility than Cruz.

He'll never pass your physical.

Look, I cried the day he broke his leg, but he's never been the same since.  He could barely play defense and run then, but he's really one dimensional now.  He'll be an expensive fulltime DH.

I'm not saying Cruz is a prefect fit either, because neither Cruz nor Markakis have spent any time in left field, but if I take a chance (and truthfully, I don't think the O's sign either given their fear of any question marks on a players record), I take a chance on Cruz.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 22, 2014, 11:50:05 am
The O's had to had to do something, and since they've now sacrificed their #1 pick, don't stop there - add Nelson Cruz. 

Duquette listened to you, apparently.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 22, 2014, 12:07:01 pm
The O's had to had to do something, and since they've now sacrificed their #1 pick, don't stop there - add Nelson Cruz. 

Duquette listened to you, apparently.

Cheap bastard called me collect too.

1 year,  $8m. Wow,  how his value plummeted.  Worth a flyer for the O's...good opportunity for Cruz on a one year deal to shine in a hitter friendly Park.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 22, 2014, 12:07:25 pm
I really shouldn't post first thing in the morning...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on February 22, 2014, 11:54:53 pm
I am not crazy about Cruz but 1 year contract makes it a no risk move.  I don't think he has a high bar to be better than our DH's from last year.  Or 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 23, 2014, 12:42:56 pm
Buster Olney says now that Cruz is done, if Morales should fall to $5-7 million, the O's should sign him too and make things really interesting in the AL East.  With all of the other question marks, why not?

I'm more excited to see who takes the qualifying offers next year.  Since Cruz, at 34, lost about $6m by not taking the offer, likely will never be a sought after free agent again (if he does well, the O's give him a qualifying offer he HAS to take, if he struggles, nobody is going to want him at 35), how many more players are going to make that mistake?
 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 25, 2014, 05:55:48 pm
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Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 03, 2014, 06:18:23 pm
Hey - look who's #1.....

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24465784/mlb-winter-winners-losers-orioles-finish-offseason-with-flourish
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 04, 2014, 12:24:22 pm
Johan is at worst, an inexpensive pitching coach for your young rotation.  Smart move, even tough I think he never pitches in the bigs again.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 04, 2014, 01:17:41 pm
Johan is at worst, an inexpensive pitching coach for your young rotation.  Smart move, even tough I think he never pitches in the bigs again.

And he may not be the only Santana they pick up....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 04, 2014, 01:39:22 pm
And he may not be the only Santana they pick up....

This:

There's no way Ervin Santana's elbow passes an Orioles physical.  Don't even bother...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 11, 2014, 01:28:57 pm
Machado Disappointed by his new deal (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10587626/manny-machado-baltimore-orioles-disappointed-new-deal)

Pay him a $1 million next season [2015] and announce the extension before that season is over, or he takes you through the ringer in arbitration and signs with the Yankees.


The Trout deal is a sign of things to come...after the season starts they'll announce the rest.

The Angels GM must be the worst in baseball.  I am so glad the Orioles didn't end up with him.  Just pay Trout a million this year and work on an extension after the season. 

The longer you wait on a stud,  the less chance you have of extending his deal.

From this point point forward,  compare the Nats and Stras and Harper,  and the O's and Machado.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on March 11, 2014, 01:59:30 pm
An uneducated 21 year old making a half million and he's complaining? What a dick.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 25, 2014, 01:21:45 pm
I didn't realize the O's got Lombardozzi in the Gonzalez deal.  That's a great deal for the O's, turning a minor league contract for Gonzalez into an under control utility guy.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 25, 2014, 01:28:31 pm
I didn't realize the O's got Lombardozzi in the Gonzalez deal.  That's a great deal for the O's, turning a minor league contract for Gonzalez into an under control utility guy.
I literally have no idea what my Tigers were thinking there. Why didn't we just keep Lombo and play him at SS?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on March 25, 2014, 01:34:08 pm
just purchased a partial season ticket plan..so opening day is a go for me, woohoo
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on March 25, 2014, 01:45:10 pm
just purchased a partial season ticket plan..so opening day is a go for me, woohoo

Did you get seats for opening day or did they give you standing room? Last year when I ordered late they said they only had standing room only.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 25, 2014, 01:48:31 pm
I literally have no idea what my Tigers were thinking there. Why didn't we just keep Lombo and play him at SS?

Couple that with the Romine for Alvarez deal and I have no idea what Tigers are doing scrambling for a middle infielder rental.

Gonzalez, Romine, Worth and Perez are all kind of the same player in my eyes.  Why not use one then sign Drew after the draft?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on March 25, 2014, 01:54:11 pm
I didn't realize the O's got Lombardozzi in the Gonzalez deal.  That's a great deal for the O's, turning a minor league contract for Gonzalez into an under control utility guy.

Lombardozzi has no power, has a career obp less than .300 and is a below average fielder.  Gonzalez can play shortstop regularly so I can see why they want him over Lombardozzi .  I hardly would rate this as a great deal.   Lombardozzi might end up in the minors when Manny comes back and if Schoop performs. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on March 25, 2014, 01:55:06 pm
I literally have no idea what my Tigers were thinking there. Why didn't we just keep Lombo and play him at SS?

Couple that with the Romine for Alvarez deal and I have no idea what Tigers are doing scrambling for a middle infielder rental.

Gonzalez, Romine, Worth and Perez are all kind of the same player in my eyes.  Why not use one then sign Drew after the draft?

Drew wants 14 million a year and is an average fielder at best. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 25, 2014, 02:09:59 pm
Drew wants 14 million a year and is an average fielder at best. 

So long as nobody does anything stupid in the next few days given the spate of middle infield injuries, Drew's going to sign on June 8 for about $5 or $6 million.

Lombardozzi has no power, has a career obp less than .300 and is a below average fielder.  Gonzalez can play shortstop regularly so I can see why they want him over Lombardozzi .  I hardly would rate this as a great deal.   Lombardozzi might end up in the minors when Manny comes back and if Schoop performs. 

Short sighted as usual.  The O's were going to cut Gonzalez, and turned that into a 3 position player that provides a lot of depth at an extremely inexpensive price.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on March 25, 2014, 02:32:48 pm
Drew wants 14 million a year and is an average fielder at best. 

So long as nobody does anything stupid in the next few days given the spate of middle infield injuries, Drew's going to sign on June 8 for about $5 or $6 million.

Lombardozzi has no power, has a career obp less than .300 and is a below average fielder.  Gonzalez can play shortstop regularly so I can see why they want him over Lombardozzi .  I hardly would rate this as a great deal.   Lombardozzi might end up in the minors when Manny comes back and if Schoop performs. 

Short sighted as usual.  The O's were going to cut Gonzalez, and turned that into a 3 position player that provides a lot of depth at an extremely inexpensive price.

So the Tigers probably would have cut Lombardozzi.  Neither guy is setting the world on fire.  Lombardozzi is worse than Flaherty.  He will provide triple A depth once Manny is healthy, I hardly call that a great trade.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 25, 2014, 03:48:50 pm
if Schoop performs. 

Hot Tommy (Utah)

What are Schoop's chances of taking the Baltimore 2B job and not looking back?

David Schoenfield  (1:42 PM)

I don't see it. His Triple-A numbers last year were pretty weak -- .256/.301/.396. Hit .245 the year before in Double-A.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 25, 2014, 04:43:06 pm
I didn't realize the O's got Lombardozzi in the Gonzalez deal.  That's a great deal for the O's, turning a minor league contract for Gonzalez into an under control utility guy.

Quite possibly the opening day second baseman.  I think Schoop plays every day at AAA and Flaherty keeps 3B warm until Manny returns.  2B could go to Weeks as well. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on March 26, 2014, 11:50:51 am
I think Flaherty is going to have a break out year.

anyone else watch the Orioles on 30 clubs in 30 days? 

Last Wednesday without baseball!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on March 26, 2014, 11:54:37 am
just purchased a partial season ticket plan..so opening day is a go for me, woohoo

Did you get seats for opening day or did they give you standing room? Last year when I ordered late they said they only had standing room only.
i got seats...mainly upper reserve available with a few lower reserve
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 27, 2014, 11:05:21 pm
Aceves opts out.  I'm happy that he'll be someone else's problem.  Balfour too.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on March 28, 2014, 07:50:40 am
Reimold on the DL. So surprised!  I want him to succeed, but this is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on March 28, 2014, 09:42:34 am
Aceves opts out.  I'm happy that he'll be someone else's problem.  Balfour too.

Balfour is someone else's problem?  I think we could really use him.   Hunter is going to have problems.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 29, 2014, 10:21:28 am
Looks like Schoop is in and Weeks is out.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 29, 2014, 05:09:50 pm
Looks like Schoop is in and Weeks is out.

Unfortunately,  I can't quote the now locked O's thread where I called this.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Stillwater on March 29, 2014, 05:19:18 pm
I literally have no idea what my Tigers were thinking there. Why didn't we just keep Lombo and play him at SS?

Couple that with the Romine for Alvarez deal and I have no idea what Tigers are doing scrambling for a middle infielder rental.

Gonzalez, Romine, Worth and Perez are all kind of the same player in my eyes.  Why not use one then sign Drew after the draft?

Drew wants 14 million a year and is an average fielder at best. 

Sox fan, watched Drew all of last year.  He was fantastic defensively.  I'm glad we didn't bring him back (yet), but saying he is a below average defensive SS is hyperbolic beyond reason.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 29, 2014, 09:16:23 pm
Looks like Schoop is in and Weeks is out.

Unfortunately,  I can't quote the now locked O's thread where I called this.

I don't think he's ready.  Infield depth scares me with Manny out.  I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on March 29, 2014, 09:19:11 pm
I literally have no idea what my Tigers were thinking there. Why didn't we just keep Lombo and play him at SS?

Couple that with the Romine for Alvarez deal and I have no idea what Tigers are doing scrambling for a middle infielder rental.

Gonzalez, Romine, Worth and Perez are all kind of the same player in my eyes.  Why not use one then sign Drew after the draft?

Drew wants 14 million a year and is an average fielder at best. 

Sox fan, watched Drew all of last year.  He was fantastic defensively.  I'm glad we didn't bring him back (yet), but saying he is a below average defensive SS is hyperbolic beyond reason.

I am just going by fielding stats.  He is rated below replacement level on defense for last year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Stillwater on March 29, 2014, 10:46:09 pm
Defensive stats aren't there yet.

Unless you think Adam Jones is the 17th best defensive CF out of the 19 MLB CFs with over 900 innings out there last year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 02, 2014, 08:15:44 pm
Cruuuuuuzzzzz!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 07, 2014, 04:38:52 pm
Schoop looks overmatched so far.  He's seeing nothing but breaking balls.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 07, 2014, 05:42:45 pm
Schoop looks overmatched so far.  He's seeing nothing but breaking balls.

You don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.  They throw ungodly breaking stuff in the Show. Exploding sliders.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on April 10, 2014, 12:34:44 pm
LOL

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/10/as-remove-jim-johnson-from-the-closer-role/
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 10, 2014, 01:29:39 pm
LOL

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/10/as-remove-jim-johnson-from-the-closer-role/

This is quite a shock.  I figured he would at least last two weeks. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 10, 2014, 01:34:06 pm
I'd laugh but... Nathan for the Tigers.  ::)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 10, 2014, 01:40:08 pm
I'd laugh but... Nathan for the Tigers.  ::)

He didn't get demoted did he?  Him and Balfour are my closers.  He got a win for me last night but I could deal without his WHIP.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 10, 2014, 01:46:50 pm
I'd laugh but... Nathan for the Tigers.  ::)

He didn't get demoted did he?  Him and Balfour are my closers.  He got a win for me last night but I could deal without his WHIP.
He got the win because he blew yet another save, lol.

Not demoted yet but if he doesn't turn it around soon he will be. He's been dreadful aside from opening day. Hell, Joba has been better.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 10, 2014, 02:32:12 pm
I'd laugh but... Nathan for the Tigers.  ::)

He didn't get demoted did he?  Him and Balfour are my closers.  He got a win for me last night but I could deal without his WHIP.
He got the win because he blew yet another save, lol.

Not demoted yet but if he doesn't turn it around soon he will be. He's been dreadful aside from opening day. Hell, Joba has been better.

Two wins and a save already this season!!!!  Keeps this up he will be a twenty game winner. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 10, 2014, 02:43:19 pm
Two wins and a save already this season!!!!  Keeps this up he will be a twenty game winner. 

The fact that it gets people hyped for a pitcher who could potentially have 20 back door wins and 60 blown saves, is exactly why I refuse to play fantasy sports.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 10, 2014, 03:00:28 pm
I usually don't give to much credence to small sample sizes, but there's nothing small about Johnson's numbers. 

Meanwhile, Balfour is nearly perfect.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 11, 2014, 12:37:02 pm
I usually don't give to much credence to small sample sizes, but there's nothing small about Johnson's numbers. 

Meanwhile, Balfour is nearly perfect.

Not everything Billy touches turns to gold.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 11, 2014, 01:22:54 pm
I usually don't give to much credence to small sample sizes, but there's nothing small about Johnson's numbers. 

Meanwhile, Balfour is nearly perfect.

My guess is he read Jim Johnson's stats and never wathed him pitch.  Figured him going from a hitters park to a pitcher park would help him.  Little did he realize that JJ was a head case who broke down mentally every time he got into a close game.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on April 11, 2014, 02:08:14 pm
going to the game tonight.  let's go o's
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 11, 2014, 03:26:26 pm
ME TOO.

Here's hoping the weather decides to play nice.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 20, 2014, 05:33:54 pm
I didn't realize the O's got Lombardozzi in the Gonzalez deal.  That's a great deal for the O's, turning a minor league contract for Gonzalez into an under control utility guy.

Gonzalez cut,  cost the Tigers $1.1 million. I'm not even going to look up Lombardozzi 's salary but I know it's not $1 million
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 20, 2014, 07:39:27 pm
I didn't realize the O's got Lombardozzi in the Gonzalez deal.  That's a great deal for the O's, turning a minor league contract for Gonzalez into an under control utility guy.

Gonzalez cut,  cost the Tigers $1.1 million. I'm not even going to look up Lombardozzi 's salary but I know it's not $1 million
I have to think we are signing Drew right after the draft, but this whole kerfuffle has been bizarre. At least we got Krol outta all this but still I think dombrowski got hosed a bit. Good thing our division sucks...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 20, 2014, 07:54:26 pm
Speaking of the Tigers, when is Chris "Brady" Davis going to start hitting some home runs?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 20, 2014, 08:00:43 pm
Speaking of the Tigers, when is Chris "Brady" Davis going to start hitting some home runs?
About 36 hours after he gets his next steroid injection, assuredly.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 20, 2014, 10:56:59 pm
Speaking of the Tigers, when is Chris "Brady" Davis going to start hitting some home runs?
About 36 hours after he gets his next steroid injection, assuredly.

I expect such nonsensical goading from Ford.  But steroids?  Really? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 20, 2014, 10:59:19 pm
well that's one way to lose a ball game.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 20, 2014, 11:01:11 pm
Speaking of the Tigers, when is Chris "Brady" Davis going to start hitting some home runs?
About 36 hours after he gets his next steroid injection, assuredly.

I expect such nonsensical goading from Ford.  But steroids?  Really? 
I'm rarely serious on here.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 21, 2014, 08:29:33 am
well that's one way to lose a ball game.

They are pissing me off.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2014, 08:32:08 am
Brady Anderson had one year where he hit more than 50..totally an outlier.....we know why

what i don't get is why ryan braun is getting so much love..


its amazing how much a guy like bonds got villified..then you have an admitted cheater (once? I think twice) and he's getting standing ovations? and people talking on mlb network about how great a hitter he is?


i actually think all of that stuff should be legal (within the law....ie, they could go abroad to get their stuff if its illegal to do in the US..i don't know) but if people are goign to get on the ballplayers they should apply the same standard.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 21, 2014, 08:33:16 am
Yeah, but the great/worst thing about baseball is that you usually play again the next day and have a chance at redemption.

That being said, it'll be great to have Manny back.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 21, 2014, 08:33:59 am
was replying to k8teebug
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 21, 2014, 10:54:43 am
Yeah, but the great/worst thing about baseball is that you usually play again the next day and have a chance at redemption.

That being said, it'll be great to have Manny back.

Yes it will.  And baseball is a marathon, not a sprint :)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 21, 2014, 10:58:43 am
And it's 11AM on Patriot's Day - we can turn the page already.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: ggw on April 21, 2014, 11:07:14 am
its amazing how much a guy like bonds got villified..then you have an admitted cheater (once? I think twice) and he's getting standing ovations? and people talking on mlb network about how great a hitter he is?

Braun only got a standing o at home. On the road, he gets jeered and heckled.  Bonds, like Rodriguez and Roger Clemens, is getting extra hate for the lying on top of the cheating.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 21, 2014, 11:53:48 am
its amazing how much a guy like bonds got villified..then you have an admitted cheater (once? I think twice) and he's getting standing ovations? and people talking on mlb network about how great a hitter he is?

Braun only got a standing o at home. On the road, he gets jeered and heckled.  Bonds, like Rodriguez and Roger Clemens, is getting extra hate for the lying on top of the cheating.

it's not out of line to say bonds gets some extra hate for two other reasons: he was really, really, good, and he's black.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 21, 2014, 12:04:30 pm
I actually hate Roger Clemens because he's white. Black people should get a pass when they do something bad because they are historically oppressed. White people should get no such pass.

its amazing how much a guy like bonds got villified..then you have an admitted cheater (once? I think twice) and he's getting standing ovations? and people talking on mlb network about how great a hitter he is?

Braun only got a standing o at home. On the road, he gets jeered and heckled.  Bonds, like Rodriguez and Roger Clemens, is getting extra hate for the lying on top of the cheating.

it's not out of line to say bonds gets some extra hate for two other reasons: he was really, really, good, and he's black.


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 21, 2014, 12:12:13 pm
okay
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 21, 2014, 12:19:59 pm
I didn't realize people who poured on the hate for Barry Bonds were doing it because he was black. I thought they were doing it because he was a smug, arrogant asshole.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: ggw on April 21, 2014, 12:23:40 pm
it's not out of line to say bonds gets some extra hate for two other reasons: he was really, really, good, and he's black.

Nor is it out of line to say he is not being judged by the color of his skin but by the content of his character.  By all accounts, he is an egotistical, insufferable prick.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 21, 2014, 12:25:18 pm
I didn't realize people who poured on the hate for Barry Bonds were doing it because he was black. I thought they were doing it because he was a smug, arrogant asshole.

so are the other two.

it's pretty well documented that there's far more animosity and resentment towards blacks when it comes to doing wrong.  it's really not even a debate.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 21, 2014, 12:30:27 pm
it's not out of line to say bonds gets some extra hate for two other reasons: he was really, really, good, and he's black.

Nor is it out of line to say he is not being judged by the color of his skin but by the content of his character.  By all accounts, he is an egotistical, insufferable prick.

i don't disagree, but braun was considered an egotistical, insufferable prick all but a year ago and the hate is dissapearing.  bonds hasn't played since 2007, and he's still vehemently hated. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 21, 2014, 12:37:53 pm
Speaking of the Tigers, when is Chris "Brady" Davis going to start hitting some home runs?

Short answer: As soon as they start throwing him strikes.  And the weather warms up.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 21, 2014, 12:39:44 pm
I hate them both.

And in San Francisco, they defend Bonds just like Milwaukee defends Braun.

At least nobody defends Rodriguez any longer.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 21, 2014, 12:52:37 pm
Speaking of the Tigers, when is Chris "Brady" Davis going to start hitting some home runs?

From the now closed Orioles thread:

Quote
Vansmack said:
Re: ORIOLES
Reply #877 on: June 13, 2013, 10:19:06 AM
To bring this back to the O's - do not let Chris Davis participate in the HR Derby.

You've been warned.

17 HRs since he participated in the HR Derby.  30 in that same time span before then (2012 all star break through April 2013).
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: chaz on April 21, 2014, 01:10:14 pm
The hate on Bonds is because he broke the most hallowed record in sports by cheating.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 21, 2014, 01:14:25 pm
The hate on Bonds is because he broke the most hallowed record in sports by cheating.


I was waiting for someone to say this. Excellent.

Another under commented on part is his truculence with the media. The media hated bonds because he made it harder for them to do their jobs. The average sports fan is an idiot who regurgitates whatever the media and ESPN says -- hence why people irrationally hate lebron despite him being the greatest basketball player of all time -- because they don't like critical thinking. It shouldn't actually matter to any sports fan that bonds was aloof with the media because it doesn't affect us one iota, however the fact of the media kept calling him names basically for a decade before there's any steroid allegations just primed the well for his comeuppance.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 21, 2014, 01:28:46 pm
The hate on Bonds is because he broke the most hallowed record in sports by cheating.

it was only the most hallowed record after mcgwire broke the single season HR record and we found out he cheated... oh, well, then it must be the all-time home run total that matters the most. right.

historical stats are meaningless these days.  we have WAR and era+ and all of the other new age statistics to tell us how remarkable a player is.  also meaningless? "hating" a player you never know outside of the media's portrayal of him.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: chaz on April 21, 2014, 01:35:24 pm
The hate on Bonds is because he broke the most hallowed record in sports by cheating.

it was only the most hallowed record after mcgwire broke the single season HR record and we found out he cheated... oh, well, then it must be the all-time home run total that matters the most. right.


OK, if you must split hairs then I will explain it for you.  Yes the single season mark was at one time the most hallowed.  But it was sullied first.  So at the time that Bonds broke the all time mark, it was the most revered record still to be held by a clean player.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 21, 2014, 01:46:46 pm
also meaningless? "hating" a player you never know outside of the media's portrayal of him.

I take a little issue with this statement.  I hated Bonds for these reasons:

(http://theclassical.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/400xY/andy-van-slyke-outfield.jpeg)
I Told Bonds to Move up, he gave me the finger (http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2011/04/27/andy-van-slyke-says-i-told-you-so-to-barry-bonds-almost-20-years-later/)

"The Great White Hope" comment (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=19911011&id=m8FWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=T-oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6560,3402496) (he doesn't deny saying it)

This "discussion" with Leyland after he lost his salary arbitration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9DHA2dJ7uQ)

And this Bonds signs contract with the Giants (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-12-09/sports/1992344212_1_barry-bonds-bob-lurie-case-bonds)

All long before he 'roided up.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: chaz on April 21, 2014, 01:53:35 pm


This "discussion" with Leyland after he lost his salary arbitration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9DHA2dJ7uQ)


Amazing
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 21, 2014, 01:57:00 pm


This "discussion" with Leyland after he lost his salary arbitration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9DHA2dJ7uQ)


Amazing
How does this make Bonds look bad? Leyland looks like a loon.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 21, 2014, 01:58:59 pm
also meaningless? "hating" a player you never know outside of the media's portrayal of him.

I take a little issue with this statement.  I hated Bonds for these reasons:

(http://theclassical.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/400xY/andy-van-slyke-outfield.jpeg)
I Told Bonds to Move up, he gave me the finger (http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2011/04/27/andy-van-slyke-says-i-told-you-so-to-barry-bonds-almost-20-years-later/)

"The Great White Hope" comment (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=19911011&id=m8FWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=T-oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6560,3402496) (he doesn't deny saying it)

This "discussion" with Leyland after he lost his salary arbitration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9DHA2dJ7uQ)

And this Bonds signs contract with the Giants (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-12-09/sports/1992344212_1_barry-bonds-bob-lurie-case-bonds)

All long before he 'roided up.

not to over-simplify this, but the reason you hate him is because he wants to make a lot of money, he openly talked about race being an issue, and he wants to be the best?

OK, if you must split hairs then I will explain it for you.  Yes the single season mark was at one time the most hallowed.  But it was sullied first.  So at the time that Bonds broke the all time mark, it was the most revered record still to be held by a clean player.

honestly i'm not sure what you're explaining here.  both are sullied, why does it matter which one came first?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: chaz on April 21, 2014, 02:03:50 pm


This "discussion" with Leyland after he lost his salary arbitration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9DHA2dJ7uQ)


Amazing
How does this make Bonds look bad? Leyland looks like a loon.
i don't think one comes out looking better than the other, but I sure enjoyed watching it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 21, 2014, 02:04:04 pm
not to over-simplify this, but the reason you hate him is because he wants to make a lot of money, he openly talked about race being an issue, and he wants to be the best?
Where have you been all my life?!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 21, 2014, 02:05:42 pm


This "discussion" with Leyland after he lost his salary arbitration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9DHA2dJ7uQ)


Amazing
How does this make Bonds look bad? Leyland looks like a loon.
i don't think one comes out looking better than the other, but I sure enjoyed watching it.
Maybe I'm missing something because of the low volume but Leyland goes on a tirade as players look on awkwardly and Bonds tries to say something to placate him and Leyland just keeps going. And I like Leyland.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: chaz on April 21, 2014, 02:26:06 pm


This "discussion" with Leyland after he lost his salary arbitration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9DHA2dJ7uQ)


Amazing
How does this make Bonds look bad? Leyland looks like a loon.
i don't think one comes out looking better than the other, but I sure enjoyed watching it.
Maybe I'm missing something because of the low volume but Leyland goes on a tirade as players look on awkwardly and Bonds tries to say something to placate him and Leyland just keeps going. And I like Leyland.
Yes, true I suppose.  In the video it seems as Leyland just jumps on him for no reason.  But at some point he says "Lets just get this shit over with right now, or go home."  Bond's replies with "OK", which left me with the impression that he was acknowledging being a malcontent -  and I don't think ANYONE would ever argue that he was not that!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 21, 2014, 02:32:40 pm
not to over-simplify this, but the reason you hate him is because he wants to make a lot of money, he openly talked about race being an issue, and he wants to be the best?

But you did over simplify it. And Smackie is not simple.

He gave the finger to a five time gold glove outfielder, who's job it was to lineup the outfield, and we all know how that play turned out.  Andy was right, and Bonds arrogance cost his team a chance to play in the World Series.  As a fan, I can never forgive that.

Bonds made it a race issue on the f#$%^& eve of the playoffs!  That deal was signed months before that, why bring it up then?  Why the 40 minute diatribe about yourself at the start of the playoffs?  The Pirates offered Bonilla and Van Slyke the same three year extensions - only Andy accepted it.  Bonilla felt he was worth more and wanted to test free agency (and did and the Mets still regret it - well, until they resigned him in 1999 and are still paying him today!).

His drive to be the best was his ultimate downfall.  That's what led him to cheat.  Why would I support that?  I don't mind you wanting to be the best, but I absolutely mind if you cheat to do it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 21, 2014, 02:42:28 pm
His drive to be the best was his ultimate downfall.  That's what led him to cheat.  Why would I support that?  I don't mind you wanting to be the best, but I absolutely mind if you cheat to do it.

isn't that the classical character arc of an antagonist?  i find his career fascinating and tragic.

living in the bay area and not being a giants fan has a lot to do with it too, right?

clemens left the red sox and scripted a similar villainous narrative.  i still don't hate him, though.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 21, 2014, 02:43:37 pm
Yes, true I suppose.  In the video it seems as Leyland just jumps on him for no reason.  But at some point he says "Lets just get this shit over with right now, or go home."  Bond's replies with "OK", which left me with the impression that he was acknowledging being a malcontent -  and I don't think ANYONE would ever argue that he was not that!

You can read all about it right here (Pages 22 and 23 (http://books.google.com/books?id=gFQ7T_ijPKQC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=barry+bonds+arbitration&source=bl&ots=v7qeTVG1Fb&sig=uvnoCZ5o4GLSD0riX-2V41hUqA4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7GRVU5eCN5ChyAT1moKABw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=barry%20bonds%20arbitration&f=false))

It was reported at the time and many times after that, after showing up late for camp, Bonds was shouting at photographers and coaches and had been bitching to his team mates in spring training that the Pirates ownership should be paying him more, even though he had lost his arbitration battle (for the second year in a row).  He asked for $3.3m and the Pirates offered him $2.3m and won.  He felt he should be paid what the MVP should be paid, despite the CBA talking about service time.

Leyland had had enough.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 21, 2014, 02:54:36 pm
living in the bay area and not being a giants fan has a lot to do with it too, right?

No.  I was still in Orange County when he left Pittsburgh and was in DC when I enjoyed the greatest payback.

(http://launiusr.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/s2.gif)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: ggw on April 21, 2014, 03:19:11 pm
At least nobody defends Rodriguez any longer.

The Dominicans are always getting screwed.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on April 21, 2014, 04:06:13 pm
not to over-simplify this, but the reason you hate him is because he wants to make a lot of money, he openly talked about race being an issue, and he wants to be the best?
Where have you been all my life?!

awaiting my julian for mod t-shirt ;)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2014, 04:07:40 pm
its amazing how much a guy like bonds got villified..then you have an admitted cheater (once? I think twice) and he's getting standing ovations? and people talking on mlb network about how great a hitter he is?

Braun only got a standing o at home. On the road, he gets jeered and heckled.  Bonds, like Rodriguez and Roger Clemens, is getting extra hate for the lying on top of the cheating.

it's not out of line to say bonds gets some extra hate for two other reasons: he was really, really, good, and he's black.



and a third (i have not yet read the rest of thread so its prob been mentioned): he was arrogant and got along poorly with the press


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2014, 04:13:49 pm
the hatred for bonds when he was belting all those home runs the past few years bordered on the irrational and moronic.

as if the other players everyone cheered on weren't doing the same thing..it just happened that bonds was better than them and unlikable.. in fact he was too much better than them.

now its "oh ryan braun cheated and got caught like twice but he said he was sorry so its ok"

give me a break

i had many a heated conversation at ballgames with people who just thought bonds was the devil as he got nearer and nearer to aaron....but their understanding of what was going on with the game with steroids was next to zero.... they lived in some bubble where it was just bonds doing this....


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on April 21, 2014, 04:16:24 pm
Not sure there are any people outside of Milwaukee that think Ryan Braun is ok.

Getting back on track....nice win today.  Very happy with the split.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on April 21, 2014, 04:18:21 pm
Not sure there are any people outside of Milwaukee that think Ryan Braun is ok.

Getting back on track....nice win today.  Very happy with the split.

I though it was on topic... Chris Davis.. there was talk about the roids with him..


On MLB network they were blowing sunshine up Braun's ass ... and minimizing his getting caught..
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: chaz on April 21, 2014, 04:24:11 pm
There are a lot of reasons that Bonds is perhaps the most reviled player of the modern era, and among the reasons that he took more heat than his fairer-skinned doping contemporaries is surely that his skin is darker than theirs.

But imo, the main reason he gets less of a break for all his transgressions is simple - he's a fucking asshole who has never once displayed an iota of humility. 

That, and the whole hallowed record part.  But we've already gone there. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 21, 2014, 04:32:57 pm

I though it was on topic... Chris Davis.. there was talk about the roids with him..

There wasn't talk about that.  It was just Julian being Julian.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 21, 2014, 04:36:22 pm
  It was just Julian being Julian.
It's America's pasttime!!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 24, 2014, 07:14:46 pm
Thinking of hitting Alewife before O's tomorrow night.  Any draught recommendations?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 25, 2014, 08:13:00 am
I have been enjoying the Full Tilt Camden Cream Ale!  It's probably even better on draft.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 25, 2014, 08:14:11 am
We also recently discovered that the Diamondback Tavern (attached to the Hilton Hotel) has beer at the same prices as Pickles.  Not sure if that's only for a weekday game (HH), but the view of the ballpark is better and there aren't the crowds/shitty music like at Pickles. Not sure how their food is though. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 25, 2014, 08:27:48 am
Thinking of hitting Alewife before O's tomorrow night.  Any draught recommendations?

Skip it and go to Max's instead. 32oz of craft beer for something like $4 on Fridays.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 08:55:02 am
Thinking of hitting Alewife before O's tomorrow night.  Any draught recommendations?

Skip it and go to Max's instead. 32oz of craft beer for something like $4 on Fridays.

I was going to say that Max's isn't in walking distance from Camden Yards but the first year Camden Yards was open I lived near Max's and walked to the stadium all the time.  But I wouldn't recommend it if you have a car.  Ale Wife is easy to walk from the stadium.  Of course it isn't in the best neighborhood. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 25, 2014, 09:03:55 am
I've walked it a couple of times. Much needed walk after a friend and I split three 32 oz cups of 8% beer. Of course both times it made us late for the game.

I'd definitely pick Alewife over Max's for the food.

Thinking of hitting Alewife before O's tomorrow night.  Any draught recommendations?

Skip it and go to Max's instead. 32oz of craft beer for something like $4 on Fridays.

I was going to say that Max's isn't in walking distance from Camden Yards but the first year Camden Yards was open I lived near Max's and walked to the stadium all the time.  But I wouldn't recommend it if you have a car.  Ale Wife is easy to walk from the stadium.  Of course it isn't in the best neighborhood. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 25, 2014, 10:49:58 am
Max's is sort of walkable.  If you did that, go to Duda's for a crabcake after a beer at Max's.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 25, 2014, 11:17:33 am
Grew up not too far from Fells, so I'm familiar with those places.  Haven't been to Alewife yet.  Think I'll stay closer to the park.  Plus there's rain in the forecast.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 11:57:22 am
Max's is sort of walkable.  If you did that, go to Duda's for a crabcake after a beer at Max's.

I really see no reason to go to Max's.  I mean if I were single I might go there on a Friday or Saturday night but there are much better places around that area for eating and drinking.  I would definitely go to Thames Street Oyster house if you have never been there and are in Fells Point.  There Oyster selction is incredible the rest of their food is awesome.   

Max's just has bar food and is depressing inside and the service isn't very good.  So many good places in Fells to get something to eat that have great views/outdoor seating. 

If you want good beer and are going to the game I would go to Pratt Street Ale house.  Plenty of seating outside. Close to the stadium and great beer. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 25, 2014, 12:27:48 pm
I liked Pratt St. better when it was Oliver's.  Camden Pub and Quigley's are my usual go-tos.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 25, 2014, 01:21:53 pm
If you're seriously into beer, you know that Max's has the best draft list in Maryland.

If you're more casually into beer, any of the places that have been mentioned will do just fine. And better in terms of atmosphere and food.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 01:24:20 pm
If you're seriously into beer, you know that Max's has the best draft list in Maryland.

If you're more casually into beer, any of the places that have been mentioned will do just fine.

Pratt Street has their own beer.  I think I would rate that above having a bunch of other breweries beers on draft.  You only need one good beer on draft as I only drink one beer at a time.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 25, 2014, 01:29:33 pm
There's actually a few breweries in the world who make better beer than Pratt Street. I would opt for them. To each his own.


If you're seriously into beer, you know that Max's has the best draft list in Maryland.

If you're more casually into beer, any of the places that have been mentioned will do just fine.

Pratt Street has their own beer.  I think I would rate that above having a bunch of other breweries beers on draft.  You only need one good beer on draft as I only drink one beer at a time.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 01:34:41 pm
There's actually a few breweries in the world who make better beer than Pratt Street. I would opt for them. To each his own.


If you're seriously into beer, you know that Max's has the best draft list in Maryland.

If you're more casually into beer, any of the places that have been mentioned will do just fine.

Pratt Street has their own beer.  I think I would rate that above having a bunch of other breweries beers on draft.  You only need one good beer on draft as I only drink one beer at a time.   

Well if I were at those breweries I would drink their beer.  I would rather go to a place that makes their own beer. Like Brewer's Art that has amazing food and it is a cool place.  That a dump that has no sunlight coming into it , poor food,  and bad service.  I if I want a glass if Hofbrau Heifweizen Max's always has it.  That I guess is the one positive.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 25, 2014, 01:41:16 pm
If I wanted a glass of Hofbrau beer (which I wouldn't, unless I were in Munich at the beer hall) I'd grab a bottle from Total Wine. Not that much difference between German beers on draft vs. bottled, imo.

If I wanted something rare-ish in Baltimore which I couldn't find in a store and didn't want to travel 3000 miles for, I'd go to Max's.

I agree with you about Max's being a dump. But it is a beer lovers dream.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 25, 2014, 02:01:11 pm
I really was only asking about Alewife.  But thanks.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 02:02:25 pm
If I wanted a glass of Hofbrau beer (which I wouldn't, unless I were in Munich at the beer hall) I'd grab a bottle from Total Wine. Not that much difference between German beers on draft vs. bottled, imo.

If I wanted something rare-ish in Baltimore which I couldn't find in a store and didn't want to travel 3000 miles for, I'd go to Max's.

I agree with you about Max's being a dump. But it is a beer lovers dream.

I didn't care for their beer hall that much.  But it definitely tasted better on draft than out of the bottle.  
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on April 25, 2014, 02:03:48 pm
I really was only asking about Alewife.  But thanks.

I would get the Gaffel Klsch.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 25, 2014, 02:05:01 pm
Do they even keep an updated draft list online anywhere? That was my problem with
Alewife the time I went. I usually pick the place I'm going based on what's currently on draft. The one time I went, it was a matter of geography rather then beer selection.

I really was only asking about Alewife.  But thanks.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 25, 2014, 02:07:31 pm
The list is a week old, so.....

http://www.alewifebaltimore.com/menus-2/draught/
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on April 25, 2014, 02:10:31 pm
If this list is updated, i'd opt for:

http://www.alewifebaltimore.com/menus-2/draught/

Jolly Pumpkin Bam Bierre..excellent saison....hard to find (at least in VA) and comes in a $10 bomber. So you're paying less by getting a draft.

Maine Lunch...great ipa, normally comes in expensive 16 oz bottle, $8 draft price is reasonable.

St Bernardus 12...one of the best Belgian beers, period.

Also can't go wrong with a Union Jack or Green Flash IPA.

Stone Imperial Stout if you're itching for a stout.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 07, 2014, 01:09:08 pm
This Wieters thing could be problematic.  On top of the Davis thing.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 07, 2014, 02:29:15 pm
This Wieters thing could be problematic.  On top of the Davis thing.

"Dr. James Andrews" definitely hurts his trade value.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 07, 2014, 02:42:51 pm
Hey, anyone going to any if the games against Detroit early next week?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 07, 2014, 02:44:21 pm
This Wieters thing could be problematic.  On top of the Davis thing.

If Davis can only DH it might mean the end of Lough.  As Cruz would have to play left field every day. Maybe they would get rid of Young instead.

I remember arguing about people on here that the Lombo deal wasn't a big deal.  Now he is in triple A and the other guy was released.  Talk about much to do about nothing.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 07, 2014, 02:44:44 pm
Hey, anyone going to any if the games against Detroit early next week?

I am going on Saturday but I am not sure who they are playing.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 09, 2014, 09:30:59 am
They're playing Houston this weekend.  I'm going Saturday, Sunday, and Tuesday.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 09, 2014, 09:31:37 am
This Wieters thing could be problematic.  On top of the Davis thing.

Weiters is OK!!!!!

Looks like Davis might be back sooner than they thought too.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 10, 2014, 01:39:39 pm
This Wieters thing could be problematic.  On top of the Davis thing.

Weiters is OK!!!!!

Looks like Davis might be back sooner than they thought too.

Very fortunate to catch that oblique injury before it got much worse.  So there really was a reason he wasn't hitting homers after all.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on May 10, 2014, 05:48:19 pm
The list is a week old, so.....

http://www.alewifebaltimore.com/menus-2/draught/

Went to the game last night. Stopped by Alewife beforehand.  Surprisingly dead at happy hour time. Beer selection is good but pricey. As opposed to Camden Yards where it is bad and pricey.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 11, 2014, 09:44:19 am
The list is a week old, so.....

http://www.alewifebaltimore.com/menus-2/draught/

Went to the game last night. Stopped by Alewife beforehand.  Surprisingly dead at happy hour time. Beer selection is good but pricey. As opposed to Camden Yards where it is bad and pricey.

Actually beer selection at Camden Yards is pretty good.  Flying dog, Leffe, Hoegarden, Goose Island, Fordham, Heavy Seas, Evo,  the brews at Dempsey Pub.  Actually I would say awesome for a major sports venue.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 11, 2014, 10:49:55 am
Duckpin on the 3B side
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 13, 2014, 12:03:35 pm
Weiters is OK!!!!!

From Buster Olney: In order to ensure that he is in position to be healthy for the 2015 season, Matt Wieters would need to have surgery on his right elbow by about July 1. And remember, Wieters is eligible for free agency after next season. So at some point very soon, the question about Wieters will be: Is he playing for this year, or is his focus on being healthy for next season?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 13, 2014, 12:14:11 pm
I'm going tonite and tomorrow.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 13, 2014, 01:39:13 pm
I'm going tonight!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 13, 2014, 01:40:48 pm
Weiters is OK!!!!!

From Buster Olney: In order to ensure that he is in position to be healthy for the 2015 season, Matt Wieters would need to have surgery on his right elbow by about July 1. And remember, Wieters is eligible for free agency after next season. So at some point very soon, the question about Wieters will be: Is he playing for this year, or is his focus on being healthy for next season?

From cbs may 11th:

On the flip-side to the good news, the Orioles also provided some bad news, in the form of sending All-Star catcher Matt Wieters to the disabled list with an elbow strain. Earlier this week, it was feared that Wieters might need season-ending elbow surgery, but a visit to Dr. James Andrews brought back good news and he'll avoid surgery.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 13, 2014, 01:41:50 pm
I'm going tonight!
If you make a Julian For Moderator sign and I see it, I'll buy you a hot dog.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 13, 2014, 01:42:37 pm
Funny. 

I don't have time to do that and I take in my dinner, but that would be hilarious!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 13, 2014, 02:28:54 pm
Gausman vs Verlander tomorrow afternoon
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on May 13, 2014, 02:29:32 pm
i'm going tonight as well
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 13, 2014, 04:07:56 pm
i'm going tonight as well
Same offer as above.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 13, 2014, 08:06:07 pm

From cbs may 11th:

Buster wrote that on May 13.

I think the issue is it's not going to fix itself, so what is Wieters going to do?  He might not need surgery now, but most expect he'll need it sometime.  So does he do it now and be 100% in his free agent year?  Or does he wait until the off season (or worse, until after he's in free agency) and sacrifice half of his last season.

Let me know when the appropriate time is to remind you who his agent is and why this is a discussion....   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on May 13, 2014, 09:25:42 pm
12 games, 0 doubles. When is Manny going to show up?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 13, 2014, 10:18:09 pm
I have no idea if rajai got that steal but that 9th inning was pure, unadulterated awesomeness. So glad I picked these two to go to. Eat em up in the morning, Verlander!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on May 13, 2014, 10:25:48 pm
Britton for closer.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on May 14, 2014, 06:58:01 am
Anyone other than Hunter.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 14, 2014, 08:27:35 am
Last night was horrible.  What a great start wasted.  I did not boo Hunter, but I wanted to.  I almost threw my angry bird hat at him!

Also, if they weren't in the shift, Machado would have caught that ball...

Coulda Woulda Shoulda.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 14, 2014, 08:28:21 am

From cbs may 11th:

Buster wrote that on May 13.

I think the issue is it's not going to fix itself, so what is Wieters going to do?  He might not need surgery now, but most expect he'll need it sometime.  So does he do it now and be 100% in his free agent year?  Or does he wait until the off season (or worse, until after he's in free agency) and sacrifice half of his last season.

Let me know when the appropriate time is to remind you who his agent is and why this is a discussion....   

I know who his agent is.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on May 14, 2014, 08:59:34 am
terrible
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 14, 2014, 09:08:16 am

From cbs may 11th:

Buster wrote that on May 13.

I think the issue is it's not going to fix itself, so what is Wieters going to do?  He might not need surgery now, but most expect he'll need it sometime.  So does he do it now and be 100% in his free agent year?  Or does he wait until the off season (or worse, until after he's in free agency) and sacrifice half of his last season.

Let me know when the appropriate time is to remind you who his agent is and why this is a discussion....   

Davis and Wieters are pretty dumb for not negotiating extensions.  Davis was at his peak value and catchers generally don't age well.  If I were them I would dump Boras asap unless they want to end up like Morales and Drew.  On the outside looking in.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 14, 2014, 07:21:29 pm
No such thing as a perfect closer.  Score more runs so your pitching isn't taxed so much.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 15, 2014, 08:30:47 am
I realize that, but there is such a thing as a closer actually closing.  Hunter has yet to have a 1-2-3 9th inning.  He is not a closer.  He's great when he's on, but how many times has he loaded the bases?  Time to close by committee.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 15, 2014, 12:12:58 pm
Balfour pitched a perfect ninth last night for Tampa.

He's had one disastrous outing in Chicago that is distorting his numbers, but he's pitched well and is well liked in Tampa.  He's been much better than Johnson, who is LOATHED here in Oakland.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2014, 01:51:07 pm
orioles got punked...

throwing at tori......
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 15, 2014, 01:53:00 pm
But were they really throwing at him?  Bud Norris has hit a shit ton of batters this year.

I have to admit I didn't see it.  Was in the kitchen making gumbo.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on May 15, 2014, 02:14:44 pm
Oh, they're probably just missing Jemima Weeks.

Balfour pitched a perfect ninth last night for Tampa.

He's had one disastrous outing in Chicago that is distorting his numbers, but he's pitched well and is well liked in Tampa.  He's been much better than Johnson, who is LOATHED here in Oakland.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 15, 2014, 02:20:13 pm
But were they really throwing at him?  Bud Norris has hit a shit ton of batters this year.

I have to admit I didn't see it.  Was in the kitchen making gumbo.
I generally do not believe any MLB pitcher, no matter how terrible, unintentionally hits a batter. (Including Tigers pitchers.) I mean the whole "it slipped" thing is very wink wink nudge nudge. If Norris didn't hit him in some weird retaliation for Kinsler's HR right before, then he really has no business in the league if that's as great as he can control his pitches.

What I found more bizarre about this whole scenario, is that in the two games I went to, Baltimore fans were booing Torii Hunter at every turn. What the hell did he do? I thought Torii Hunter was one of the more universally-liked players in the league.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 15, 2014, 02:37:18 pm
But were they really throwing at him?  Bud Norris has hit a shit ton of batters this year.

I have to admit I didn't see it.  Was in the kitchen making gumbo.
I generally do not believe any MLB pitcher, no matter how terrible, unintentionally hits a batter. (Including Tigers pitchers.) I mean the whole "it slipped" thing is very wink wink nudge nudge. If Norris didn't hit him in some weird retaliation for Kinsler's HR right before, then he really has no business in the league if that's as great as he can control his pitches.

What I found more bizarre about this whole scenario, is that in the two games I went to, Baltimore fans were booing Torii Hunter at every turn. What the hell did he do? I thought Torii Hunter was one of the more universally-liked players in the league.



He was cursing at an Orioles pitcher after getting hit.  And he made a big deal out of the whole thing causing the benches to clear.  He should have been thrown out of the game not Norris.  I think the Orioles should have plunked him the next time he came up.  Teach him a lesson.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 15, 2014, 02:40:52 pm
But were they really throwing at him?  Bud Norris has hit a shit ton of batters this year.

I have to admit I didn't see it.  Was in the kitchen making gumbo.
I generally do not believe any MLB pitcher, no matter how terrible, unintentionally hits a batter. (Including Tigers pitchers.) I mean the whole "it slipped" thing is very wink wink nudge nudge. If Norris didn't hit him in some weird retaliation for Kinsler's HR right before, then he really has no business in the league if that's as great as he can control his pitches.

What I found more bizarre about this whole scenario, is that in the two games I went to, Baltimore fans were booing Torii Hunter at every turn. What the hell did he do? I thought Torii Hunter was one of the more universally-liked players in the league.



He was cursing at an Orioles pitcher after getting hit.  And he made a big deal out of the whole thing causing the benches to clear.  He should have been thrown out of the game not Norris.  I think the Orioles should have plunked him the next time he came up.  Teach him a lesson.
Oh. I never thought about it that way. I see your point. What a bastard Torii Hunter is for cursing as a response to unexpectedly being pelted with a hard object thrown at him extremely quickly, now that I think about it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 15, 2014, 02:44:46 pm
But were they really throwing at him?  Bud Norris has hit a shit ton of batters this year.

I have to admit I didn't see it.  Was in the kitchen making gumbo.
I generally do not believe any MLB pitcher, no matter how terrible, unintentionally hits a batter. (Including Tigers pitchers.) I mean the whole "it slipped" thing is very wink wink nudge nudge. If Norris didn't hit him in some weird retaliation for Kinsler's HR right before, then he really has no business in the league if that's as great as he can control his pitches.

What I found more bizarre about this whole scenario, is that in the two games I went to, Baltimore fans were booing Torii Hunter at every turn. What the hell did he do? I thought Torii Hunter was one of the more universally-liked players in the league.



He was cursing at an Orioles pitcher after getting hit.  And he made a big deal out of the whole thing causing the benches to clear.  He should have been thrown out of the game not Norris.  I think the Orioles should have plunked him the next time he came up.  Teach him a lesson.
Oh. I never thought about it that way. I see your point. What a bastard Torii Hunter is for cursing as a response to unexpectedly being pelted with a hard object thrown at him extremely quickly, now that I think about it.

Yeah shows he has no class. I  got hit by pitches in little league and I didn't curse the pitcher out.  I went to first base like a man.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 15, 2014, 03:00:55 pm
He took it a little far with the cursing, apparently.  They should both have been thrown out.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on May 15, 2014, 03:15:19 pm
Maybe they didn't like his past anti-gay comments.

But were they really throwing at him?  Bud Norris has hit a shit ton of batters this year.

I have to admit I didn't see it.  Was in the kitchen making gumbo.
I generally do not believe any MLB pitcher, no matter how terrible, unintentionally hits a batter. (Including Tigers pitchers.) I mean the whole "it slipped" thing is very wink wink nudge nudge. If Norris didn't hit him in some weird retaliation for Kinsler's HR right before, then he really has no business in the league if that's as great as he can control his pitches.

What I found more bizarre about this whole scenario, is that in the two games I went to, Baltimore fans were booing Torii Hunter at every turn. What the hell did he do? I thought Torii Hunter was one of the more universally-liked players in the league.


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 15, 2014, 05:36:34 pm
I generally do not believe any MLB pitcher, no matter how terrible, unintentionally hits a batter. (Including Tigers pitchers.) I mean the whole "it slipped" thing is very wink wink nudge nudge. 

I've been known to miss with a breaking ball every now and then, especially to a left handed batter.  It's usually a sure sign that I was tired or it was cold out.

If I hit a batter with a fastball, it was intentional.  Every time.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on May 15, 2014, 05:39:47 pm
I generally do not believe any MLB pitcher, no matter how terrible, unintentionally hits a batter. (Including Tigers pitchers.) I mean the whole "it slipped" thing is very wink wink nudge nudge. 

I've been known to miss with a breaking ball every now and then, especially to a left handed batter.  It's usually a sure sign that I was tired or it was cold out.

If I hit a batter with a fastball, it was intentional.  Every time.
What's your career MLB ERA?

Obviously there are exceptions. If a batter is crowding the plate and it glances off his knuckles on a swing that's one thing. If it hits them square in the body a la Norris or Verlander over the past few days, then come on. It's insulting people's intelligence to claim it wasn't intentional.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 15, 2014, 05:44:30 pm
I generally do not believe any MLB pitcher, no matter how terrible, unintentionally hits a batter. (Including Tigers pitchers.) I mean the whole "it slipped" thing is very wink wink nudge nudge. 

I've been known to miss with a breaking ball every now and then, especially to a left handed batter.  It's usually a sure sign that I was tired or it was cold out.

If I hit a batter with a fastball, it was intentional.  Every time.
What's your career MLB ERA?

Obviously there are exceptions. If a batter is crowding the plate and it glances off his knuckles on a swing that's one thing. If it hits them square in the body a la Norris or Verlander over the past few days, then come on. It's insulting people's intelligence to claim it wasn't intentional.

Guys crowd the plate you need to move them off it.  I don't care about this.  Why don't you start a Tigers thread to post this in.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 15, 2014, 05:48:43 pm
Obviously there are exceptions. If a batter is crowding the plate and it glances off his knuckles on a swing that's one thing. If it hits them square in the body a la Norris or Verlander over the past few days, then come on. It's insulting people's intelligence to claim it wasn't intentional.

I was agreeing with you.  Hunter got hit with a fastball...

Very few batters outside of Carlos Gomez complain about getting hit with a curve ball.

And for the record, if it hits his knuckles on a swing it's a foul ball, not a HBP.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on May 15, 2014, 06:23:14 pm
I think Tori Hunter just knew it was intentional....


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on May 15, 2014, 11:10:28 pm
1-2-3, there you go.

Britton for closer.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 16, 2014, 08:17:16 am
yuppers.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 16, 2014, 10:23:05 am
Okay, now what?  Does Hunter move to the set-up role?  Do they alternate?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on May 16, 2014, 10:56:19 am
He gets garbage innings until he proves he can get guys out.

Okay, now what?  Does Hunter move to the set-up role?  Do they alternate?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 16, 2014, 10:56:35 am
I think they should alternate.  Closer by committee.  Be unconventional!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 16, 2014, 11:05:14 am
I think they should alternate.  Closer by committee.  Be unconventional!

O'Day and Britton can alternate.  Hunter should not.  He isn't very good.  He gives up way too many home runs. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on May 16, 2014, 11:08:51 am
Why do you need to alternate closers? Britton has been lights out this year. Give him the job until he proves he can't do it. Leave O'Day as your eighth inning man since he's so good there.

I think they should alternate.  Closer by committee.  Be unconventional!

O'Day and Britton can alternate.  Hunter should not.  He isn't very good.  He gives up way too many home runs. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 16, 2014, 11:14:15 am
Buck, non-committal as usual....

"We?re going to use whatever gives us the best chance to win, the best chance to put guys in the best spot to be successful and to be healthy,? Showalter said. ?That?s the way we are looking at it.?

And when Showalter was asked, point-blank, whether his decision in the ninth provided some clarity regarding the closer situation, the manager said: ?No.?

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on May 16, 2014, 11:28:35 am
Why do you need to alternate closers? Britton has been lights out this year. Give him the job until he proves he can't do it. Leave O'Day as your eighth inning man since he's so good there.

I think they should alternate.  Closer by committee.  Be unconventional!

O'Day and Britton can alternate.  Hunter should not.  He isn't very good.  He gives up way too many home runs. 

Being a closer is highly stressful.  You can alleviate the stress by not letting the guy know that he is going into the 9th until the inning starts.  Why do you need a specific closer?  All it does it make players contract go up.  Save money just put a different guy in every game.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 16, 2014, 12:52:57 pm
Too much emphasis is put on the save statistic and not the role.

Joe Smith is the "official" closer in Anaheim now, and Frieri is the setup guy.  Two days after making the announcement, Smith pitched a 1-2-3 8th and Frieri pitched a 1-2-3 9th.  Scioscia was immediately asked if Frieri was the closer again and he said no.  In the 8th it was the 3-4-5 hitters and the 9th was the 6-7-8, so I had my best guy pitch to their best hitters.

That's how it should be done.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 16, 2014, 02:28:49 pm
I think they should alternate.  Closer by committee.  Be unconventional!

O'Day and Britton can alternate.  Hunter should not.  He isn't very good.  He gives up way too many home runs. 

the giving up too many home runs is exactly why I didn't think he should be the closer in the first place!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 28, 2014, 01:02:40 am
@keithlaw Buck put the winning run on base, bottom 10th, with no one on. Someone has to ask him to explain that one in the postgame presser
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 28, 2014, 09:39:30 am
@keithlaw Buck put the winning run on base, bottom 10th, with no one on. Someone has to ask him to explain that one in the postgame presser

He walked a home run hitter to pitch to a pitcher.  I'd say that usually works.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 28, 2014, 12:01:17 pm
He walked a home run hitter to pitch to a pitcher.  I'd say that usually works.

Actually, I read where Buck was hoping that Gallardo had already gone home because he was pitching today.  I don't like the idea of putting the winning run on with nobody out - even if Gallardo doesn't double, most starting pitchers in the NL can bunt a guy over to second, and with Herrera and Segura following, the chances of getting him home that way are much higher than Reynolds hitting a home run.

Sure, this is hindsight for me, but Law was all over it yesterday in real time:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoshV6GIgAAXLIV.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 28, 2014, 01:32:20 pm
 - even if Gallardo doesn't double, most starting pitchers in the NL can bunt a guy over to second, and with Herrera and Segura following, the chances of getting him home that way are much higher than Reynolds hitting a home run.


Yes, but....  Gallardo probably wouldn't be sacrificing with two outs.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 28, 2014, 01:37:30 pm
Yes, but....  Gallardo probably wouldn't be sacrificing with two outs.

You are absolutely right.  I misread that part and went back and looked at the box score...


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 04, 2014, 05:25:05 pm
The Oakland A's are shopping Jim Johnson and are "willing" to eat most of his remaining salary in case you're interested.

They nearly traded him for a draft pick. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/a-s-nearly-traded-former-closer-jim-johnson-to-marlins-for-39th-pick-in-14-draft-060414)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 05, 2014, 07:31:00 am
woah.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on June 05, 2014, 01:05:34 pm
@keithlaw Buck put the winning run on base, bottom 10th, with no one on. Someone has to ask him to explain that one in the postgame presser

He walked a home run hitter to pitch to a pitcher.  I'd say that usually works.

But the home run hitter was Reynolds.  You just throw three pitches in the dirt and he is walking back to the dug-out.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2014, 07:22:34 pm
Machado was wrong on Friday and wrong again today.  Grow up, kid.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on June 08, 2014, 07:52:51 pm
Machado was wrong on Friday and wrong again today.  Grow up, kid.

both instances were beyond strange behavior, the kind of stuff that makes you consider if he has something fundamentally wrong going on in his mind. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on June 09, 2014, 12:45:27 am
Machado was wrong on Friday and wrong again today.  Grow up, kid.

both instances were beyond strange behavior, the kind of stuff that makes you consider if he has something fundamentally wrong going on in his mind. 

I thought Buck should held him out of Saturdays game for acting that way.   I am guessing he thought Donaldson was still playing third base.  Embarrassment to the team.  I would not play him for a couple of games.  Then let him sit out his eventual suspension.  Seems like roid rage or something.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on June 09, 2014, 08:53:36 am


I thought Buck should held him out of Saturdays game for acting that way.   I am guessing he thought Donaldson was still playing third base.  Embarrassment to the team.  I would not play him for a couple of games.  Then let him sit out his eventual suspension.  Seems like roid rage or something.

agreed.  really disappointed in him.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on June 09, 2014, 09:36:54 am
that helmet flip after the tag was one of the most embarrassing things ive ever seen a player do. all baseball hissy fits are absurd but i can usually at least understand why the players frustrated. throwing a tantrum while falling over cuz of your own maneuver to avoid the tag is a new low. the confused look on donaldsons face said it all

and then he and buck had the nerve to go to the media and say you dont tag a player like that after hes coming back from an injury. bullshit. donaldson did nothing wrong whatsoever. manny would have done the same thing

i imagine hes got a suspension coming. i like the kid but he deserves it. its just a good thing hes had a good reputation so far. could you imagine if this was puig?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 09, 2014, 10:13:10 am
I was at the game Friday and he did look like he had been pushed.  But, after that, he needed a talking to.  And he needs to learn to calm down.

I think he should be suspended.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 09, 2014, 11:02:05 am
I was at the game Friday and he did look like he had been pushed. 

But after seeing the replay?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 09, 2014, 11:02:50 am
Yes.  I think you could make the case for that.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on June 09, 2014, 11:10:09 am
not really

look at the screenshot of the video here. manny's obviously trying to juke his way around donaldsons tag. even a light tag would have sent him to the ground.

http://deadspin.com/benches-clear-because-manny-machado-did-not-like-josh-d-1587524006
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 09, 2014, 11:21:23 am
Yes.  I think you could make the case for that.

That's just home team blinders, sorry.

Machado jumped backwards to avoid the tag, and Donaldson, with ONE HAND, reaches out to tag him.   If he wants to push him, he uses two hands...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on June 09, 2014, 12:35:18 pm
Yes.  I think you could make the case for that.

That's just home team blinders, sorry.

Machado jumped backwards to avoid the tag, and Donaldson, with ONE HAND, reaches out to tag him.   If he wants to push him, he uses two hands...

Yeah doesn't make any sense at all.  You know how hard people come into second base with their legs up in the air.   And before this season how many people would run into the catcher at home.  I never see fights about these why would you see a fight when someone does a normal tag?  Manny has been hanging out with ARod which might explain some of this behavior.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 09, 2014, 12:57:39 pm
Yeah, that's it.  Toss around those unfounded ped rumors.  Let's just hope it's youthful immaturity and that a veteran or two will sit down and discuss a few things with him.  Maybe his early success is going to his (bobble)head. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 09, 2014, 01:26:33 pm
The Tampa Bay Rays will go with a closer-by-committee approach to replace struggling right-hander Grant Balfour in the role, manager Joe Maddon said Monday.

"We're going to go by committee right now," Maddon told reporters.

 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on June 09, 2014, 05:58:50 pm
The Tampa Bay Rays will go with a closer-by-committee approach to replace struggling right-hander Grant Balfour in the role, manager Joe Maddon said Monday.

"We're going to go by committee right now," Maddon told reporters.

 

They don't really need a closer as they are never in the lead.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 09, 2014, 06:26:42 pm
Machado was wrong on Friday and wrong again today.  Grow up, kid.

He apologized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3D4-DjdaOY
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 09, 2014, 06:40:27 pm
He apologized.

Scripted, but a good move ahead of the suspension announcement.

O's fans should worry about this:

Jerry Crasnick  (12:21 PM): What I don't get is his complete overreaction on that Josh Donaldson tag. That was basically a love tap, and he made it into a much bigger deal than it had to be. If he's that hypersensitive to a tag, other teams are going to see that and it's only going to get worse.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 09, 2014, 09:35:00 pm
A 1-2-3 inning for the old closer.  I'm still weeping over the loss of Balfour.  Did Jerry Crasnick say that one was a huge mistake at the time? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 10, 2014, 01:06:03 am
Music to my ears in Anaheim....

"Jim Johnson warming up in the A's bullpen. "

This strange triangle of closers hasn't worked out for any team,  but at least the O's saved a little money,  I suppose.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 10, 2014, 01:46:35 pm
Machado only getting 5 games is a gift.  I was thinking 6-10.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on June 10, 2014, 02:18:24 pm
Machado only getting 5 games is a gift.  I was thinking 6-10.

MLB seems lenient with punishment.  How man games did Chris Simon get for trying to stomp on someone with his skate? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on June 10, 2014, 02:26:30 pm
its ok guys, b rob talked to him

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/roberts-reaches-machado-bat-throwing-incident-article-1.1823192
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 10, 2014, 02:53:18 pm
its ok guys, b rob talked to him

It's actually a classy move by the veteran.  There's really no one else on that roster that could have done it.  Maybe Hardy, though he doesn't strike me as the team leader type.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 11, 2014, 07:57:44 am
Machado only getting 5 games is a gift.  I was thinking 6-10.

MLB seems lenient with punishment.  How man games did Chris Simon get for trying to stomp on someone with his skate? 

And Ortiz got nothing for breaking a phone and almost seriously injuring his teammate.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 11, 2014, 06:32:33 pm
He apologized.

Scripted

Orioles Carefully Control Machado's Apology (http://www.sfgate.com/sports/shea/article/Orioles-carefully-control-Machado-s-apology-5543330.php)

....Beat writers from the independent media, including the Baltimore Sun, weren't allowed pregame access to Machado on Monday, a day after his latest antics at Camden Yards capped a regrettable series for the 21-year-old third baseman.

Instead, the Orioles gave someone from the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (owned by the Orioles and Nationals) a one-on-one with Machado, thinking they could sanitize the environment and beef up ratings and website traffic by taking advantage of a national story and making it their own.

Just one catch: There were no legitimate follow-up questions.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on June 11, 2014, 08:21:51 pm
He apologized.

Scripted

Orioles Carefully Control Machado's Apology (http://www.sfgate.com/sports/shea/article/Orioles-carefully-control-Machado-s-apology-5543330.php)

....Beat writers from the independent media, including the Baltimore Sun, weren't allowed pregame access to Machado on Monday, a day after his latest antics at Camden Yards capped a regrettable series for the 21-year-old third baseman.

Instead, the Orioles gave someone from the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (owned by the Orioles and Nationals) a one-on-one with Machado, thinking they could sanitize the environment and beef up ratings and website traffic by taking advantage of a national story and making it their own.

Just one catch: There were no legitimate follow-up questions.

It was Roch who interviewed him right?  He is an Orioles Shrill. He banned me from the site for saying as much this winter.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on June 11, 2014, 08:29:15 pm
He apologized.

Scripted

Orioles Carefully Control Machado's Apology (http://www.sfgate.com/sports/shea/article/Orioles-carefully-control-Machado-s-apology-5543330.php)

....Beat writers from the independent media, including the Baltimore Sun, weren't allowed pregame access to Machado on Monday, a day after his latest antics at Camden Yards capped a regrettable series for the 21-year-old third baseman.

Instead, the Orioles gave someone from the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (owned by the Orioles and Nationals) a one-on-one with Machado, thinking they could sanitize the environment and beef up ratings and website traffic by taking advantage of a national story and making it their own.

Just one catch: There were no legitimate follow-up questions.

It was Roch who interviewed him right?  He is an Orioles Shrill. He banned me from the site for saying as much this winter.
Its disturbing to think an Orioles website has better moderation than we do.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: atomic on June 11, 2014, 08:45:39 pm
He apologized.

Scripted

Orioles Carefully Control Machado's Apology (http://www.sfgate.com/sports/shea/article/Orioles-carefully-control-Machado-s-apology-5543330.php)

....Beat writers from the independent media, including the Baltimore Sun, weren't allowed pregame access to Machado on Monday, a day after his latest antics at Camden Yards capped a regrettable series for the 21-year-old third baseman.

Instead, the Orioles gave someone from the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (owned by the Orioles and Nationals) a one-on-one with Machado, thinking they could sanitize the environment and beef up ratings and website traffic by taking advantage of a national story and making it their own.

Just one catch: There were no legitimate follow-up questions.

It was Roch who interviewed him right?  He is an Orioles Shrill. He banned me from the site for saying as much this winter.
Its disturbing to think an Orioles website has better moderation than we do.

It is a cable channel website.  And I agree they shouldn't have lifted your ban here.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 16, 2014, 06:00:09 pm

From cbs may 11th:

Buster wrote that on May 13.

I think the issue is it's not going to fix itself, so what is Wieters going to do?  He might not need surgery now, but most expect he'll need it sometime.  So does he do it now and be 100% in his free agent year?  Or does he wait until the off season (or worse, until after he's in free agency) and sacrifice half of his last season.

Let me know when the appropriate time is to remind you who his agent is and why this is a discussion....  

Called it.

Weiters to have surgery tomorrow.  Out for the season.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on June 24, 2014, 08:41:11 pm
I like Pearce and Delmon starting with Davis coming off the bench.

Also, Miggy as the long reliever and Gausman in the rotation.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 26, 2014, 08:59:42 am
I'm feeling the Orioles Magic!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 26, 2014, 11:18:26 am
I like Pearce and Delmon starting with Davis coming off the bench.

Also, Miggy as the long reliever and Gausman in the rotation.

I think if you sit Chris Davis for more than one game you're not in your right mind.  Gausman has to be in the rotation.  And Bundy will be there soon enough as well.  The big question is what to do with Ubaldo....   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 30, 2014, 11:20:54 am
give him run support.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on June 30, 2014, 08:37:49 pm
You still thinking that?

Seems like someone gave Pearce all of Davis' juice this year.

I like Pearce and Delmon starting with Davis coming off the bench.

Also, Miggy as the long reliever and Gausman in the rotation.

I think if you sit Chris Davis for more than one game you're not in your right mind.  Gausman has to be in the rotation.  And Bundy will be there soon enough as well.  The big question is what to do with Ubaldo....   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on June 30, 2014, 10:28:20 pm
Pearce  ;D
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 03, 2014, 01:25:42 pm
Going tonight to see Darvish vs Chen.  Weather looks very iffy though.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 03, 2014, 03:31:49 pm
Going tonight to see Darvish vs Chen.  Weather looks very iffy though.

Sure to be a few ill timed jokes about comfort women in that one....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 03, 2014, 08:20:11 pm
What's wrong with Crush? (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/49277/whats-wrong-with-chris-davis)

They could be pitching him differently, as Schoenfeld argues,. or...

Quote
Vansmack said:
Re: ORIOLES
Reply #877 on: June 13, 2013, 10:19:06 AM
To bring this back to the O's - do not let Chris Davis participate in the HR Derby.

You've been warned.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 06, 2014, 02:18:06 pm
Toronto claims Reimold
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on July 06, 2014, 07:43:40 pm
so orioles seem to be rockin' it
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 08, 2014, 06:47:25 pm
Quote
Vansmack said:
Re: ORIOLES
Reply #877 on: June 13, 2013, 10:19:06 AM
To bring this back to the O's - do not let Chris Davis participate in the HR Derby.

You've been warned.


Do not let Adam Jones participate in the HR Derby.

You've been warned.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 09, 2014, 08:33:05 am
I don't want any of the O's in the HR Derby.  But it looks like Jones will be in it. 

At least they are making it shorter this year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on July 11, 2014, 12:34:03 pm
Werthless

heh heh heh
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 11, 2014, 02:09:54 pm
What was up with him last night?  I think I missed what happened before he stepped out of the box for so long.

Good game to attend last night!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2014, 02:31:05 pm
What was up with him last night?  I think I missed what happened before he stepped out of the box for so long.

Good game to attend last night!

They showed it on the MLB Network last night.  He fouled the ball off his foot and didn't get back in the box until he had the feeling back.

After a while the ump told him to get back in the box, they jawed. 

Werth took a pitch, stepped back out, probably to show up the ump, and that's when Williams came out to defend his player (also to buy time for Werth).

EDIT: Here you go.  WaPo's got the Story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/07/11/orioles-manager-buck-showalter-got-nats-fans-mad-again/)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 12, 2014, 03:21:25 pm
Jimenez to the DL is a blessing in disguise....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 12, 2014, 11:32:33 pm
Jimenez to the DL is a blessing in disguise....

Plus it gets Gausman in the rotation.  2 positives.

They showed video of Jones practicing with his HR Derby pitcher during the game today.  Then he took those same swings in the game.  Whiffff.     
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on July 14, 2014, 08:51:45 am
o's schedule after the break is going to be 'interesting' - 29 games facing teams that are all over .500
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 14, 2014, 08:56:48 am
Saw that.  I'll be going to 11 or 12 of them, so hopefully my cheering will bring luck!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 14, 2014, 01:06:33 pm
Strength of Schedule for the Second half:

Hardest:
(1) Orioles
Home/away: 32 games at home; 36 on the road.
Games against teams with records of .500 or better: 42

(2) Tigers
Home/away: 34 games at home; 37 on the road.
Games against teams with records of .500 or better: 41

(5) Mariners
Home/away: 31 games at home; 36 on the road.
Games against teams with records of .500 or better: 38


(9) Angels
Home/away: 34 games at home; 34 on the road.
Games against teams with records of .500 or better: 34

(15) Nationals
Home/away: 34 games at home; 35 on the road.
Games against teams with records of .500 or better: 28

(!7) A'S
Home/away: 36 games at home; 31 games on the road.
Games against teams with records of .500 or better: 29
(22 games left against Houston and Texas)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 14, 2014, 03:27:11 pm
Sometimes, I think the Orioles fight harder against better teams.  They seem like they phone it in for easier teams.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 14, 2014, 05:05:01 pm
Sometimes, I think the Orioles fight harder against better teams.  They seem like they phone it in for easier teams.

This guy can take care of that....

(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/David-Ortiz-smashes-phone.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 14, 2014, 06:37:09 pm
I still can't believe he didn't get fined for that.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 19, 2014, 10:33:48 am
Hey,  a little help here?

OK,  thanks.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 20, 2014, 09:52:26 am
Hey,  a little help here?

OK,  thanks.

Just win, baby.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on July 20, 2014, 08:22:19 pm
Or lose badly?   :-\
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 20, 2014, 11:59:39 pm
One out of three might get it done in the AL East,  but not in the AL West.  You need to win 2 out of 3 just to keep up...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 21, 2014, 08:53:34 am
One out of three might get it done in the AL East,  but not in the AL West.  You need to win 2 out of 3 just to keep up...

One out of three doesn't get it done anywhere.  But the 1st one was brutal.  And we're talking about losing to the best team in baseball.  On their home turf. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 21, 2014, 10:32:46 am
It's hard for me to stay up late to watch these games.  yesterday sucked.

But, everyone is entitled to a day or two.  Hopefully they'll get it together.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 21, 2014, 12:04:40 pm
  Hopefully they'll get it together.

By Thursday....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 22, 2014, 08:28:37 am
Nice start to the series.  I'm concerned about all of the strikeouts.  And the reliance on the long ball.

45-23 when they hit a homer
9-21 when they don't

That was an interesting strike zone last night, to say the least.

Those seats right behind the plate can't be very good can they?  Sajak's head was practically even
with field level.  Not the best vantage point I wouldn't think.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 22, 2014, 11:51:18 am
That was an interesting strike zone last night, to say the least.

This.  Kudos to Norris for taking advantage of it.  Anaheim never adjusted (on the mound or at the plate).

Those seats right behind the plate can't be very good can they?  Sajak's head was practically even with field level.  Not the best vantage point I wouldn't think.

That Scott Boras' box.  It pains me to have to look at his face all the time....

(http://mlblogsredstatebluestate.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/scott20boras20behind20home20plate-thumb-550x412-16347511.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on July 22, 2014, 12:15:27 pm
Is your device inadvertently placing unnecessary apostrophes? Or is that your new thing, like walkie's commas?  ;)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 22, 2014, 12:34:10 pm
Is your device inadvertently placing unnecessary apostrophes? Or is that your new thing, like walkie's commas?  ;)

Haha, yes, I swyped that on the way in.  Then edited when I got to the office to add the photo and paid no attention to the writing.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 23, 2014, 12:00:52 pm
Impressive.  Anaheim hasn't lost 2 in a row in over a month and hasn't lost a series at home since the beginning of May.

Two guys who have enjoyed a lot of success against the Halo's continued that.  Miguel should be a little more considerate of the team that gave him a chance back in the day.... 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 23, 2014, 12:15:07 pm
Impressive.  Anaheim hasn't lost 2 in a row in over a month and hasn't lost a series at home since the beginning of May.

Two guys who have enjoyed a lot of success against the Halo's continued that.  Miguel should be a little more considerate of the team that gave him a chance back in the day.... 

He's an LA guy, so maybe he feels comfortable out there.  Sure seems to do well against the Angels.  And Tillman is from Anaheim, so......   Just sayin'.  Will be a difficult matchup vs. Weaver though.

Oh, and what was that thing about HR Derby participation and swing mechanics?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 23, 2014, 01:31:31 pm
He's an LA guy, so maybe he feels comfortable out there.  Sure seems to do well against the Angels.  And Tillman is from Anaheim, so......   Just sayin'.  Will be a difficult matchup vs. Weaver though.

I'm just hoping Weaver's back holds up.

Oh, and what was that thing about HR Derby participation and swing mechanics?

Yeah, I've got no idea what that's about. (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24631436/rockies-place-justin-morneau-on-disabled-list-with-neck-injury)  None at all. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11250115/colorado-rockies-place-troy-tulowitzki-disabled-list-hip-strain?ex_cid=espnapi_public)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 23, 2014, 10:48:26 pm
I can't tell you how far I threw my hat when Ianetta got picked off with 2 on,  2 out and Trout in the batters box,  but I can assure you I had to go down 5 floors to retrieve it.

Mistakes like that,  from a professional athlete,  are simply inexcusable.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 24, 2014, 01:16:20 am
I have a lot of questions about how Buck handled that eighth inning,  but the Angels went 0-for-12 with runners in scoring position and won a baseball game today, so Hooray for my team!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 24, 2014, 02:46:13 pm
Music to my ears in Anaheim....

"Jim Johnson warming up in the A's bullpen. "

This strange triangle of closers hasn't worked out for any team,  but at least the O's saved a little money,  I suppose.

Johnson was designated for assignment by the A's.  If memory serves, they've got 10 days to trade him or give him his out right release.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 24, 2014, 05:08:13 pm
I have a lot of questions about how Buck handled that eighth inning,  but the Angels went 0-for-12 with runners in scoring position and won a baseball game today, so Hooray for my team!

I know he wasn't going to use Britton.  Probably didn't want to have Matusz start the inning, then not have him later.  Ironic that after all the opportunities the Angels had they get the run on a bases loaded walk. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 24, 2014, 05:52:36 pm
I know he wasn't going to use Britton.  Probably didn't want to have Matusz start the inning, then not have him later.  Ironic that after all the opportunities the Angels had they get the run on a bases loaded walk. 

What was confusing to me was the intentional pass to a rookie who was just brought up (lefty Efren Navarro) to instead face righty Ianetta with two on, two outs. 

I can only assume that he felt Hunter vs Ianetta was a better option than bringing in Matusz to face Navarro, which is dumbfounding given Ianetta's OBP - nearly .120 higher than his AVG.  Only Trout has more walks on the team than Ianetta.

So what he ended up with was Matusz vs Calhoun, which, given Calhoun's numbers in the last 45 days, was easily the worst of all three scenarios.

In the end Buck blamed the strike zone (even tough FoxTrak showed all of the calls correct, and Buck wasn't exactly thanking the strike zone on Monday....) when it really came down to either you trust Matusz or you don't, and it was clear that Buck doesn't, and waiting two batters to bring him in with the bases loaded rather than earlier with first base open so he can maybe get the rookie to swing at some bad pitches was all on Buck. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 27, 2014, 07:37:57 pm
One out of three might get it done in the AL East,  but not in the AL West.  You need to win 2 out of 3 just to keep up...

6-4 West Coast trip when all is said and done.  The plane ride back should be a happy one.   

O's and Dodgers are the only two teams who don't have a losing road trip this year.

The Orioles are 17-10 against the AL West this season.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on July 28, 2014, 05:30:00 pm
@jonmorosi: Orioles among the teams that have contacted Red Sox on Jon Lester, sources tell @Ken_Rosenthal and me. @FOXSports1

 https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/493870153361530880
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 29, 2014, 03:29:54 pm
Going tomorrow and Saturday.  Orioles have been freaking great about switching our tickets to handicapped accessible seats.  Granted, we have a season ticket plan, but it's nice. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 29, 2014, 04:00:03 pm
Going tomorrow

Jealous.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 29, 2014, 08:22:26 pm
At the game tonight.  Where's the pitching?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on July 29, 2014, 09:00:28 pm
Delmon Young is the new Steve Pearce.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2014, 12:22:30 am
I take full responsibility  for tonight. I left the game when it was tied in the 9th because I had good seats to see the Pirates v Giants. 

I let the team down.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on July 30, 2014, 11:10:41 am
i'm going to the game tonight

i think if i leave in the 8th inning they might do ok
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 30, 2014, 11:48:11 am
 "If these teams were to meet in a playoff series? Well, baseball could do a whole lot worse."

That's the LA Times take on the last 4 ANA-BAL games.  Hard to disagree.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 30, 2014, 12:57:55 pm
I'll be there tonight in the handicapped seats!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on July 30, 2014, 10:07:37 pm
I think the O's took the playoff series.

"If these teams were to meet in a playoff series? Well, baseball could do a whole lot worse."

That's the LA Times take on the last 4 ANA-BAL games.  Hard to disagree.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: brennser on July 31, 2014, 08:37:19 am
we'll be there tonight! 3 games in 6 days for us - O's tonight, Nats Sunday, Nats Tuesday - my son is psyched
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on July 31, 2014, 08:53:54 am
gausman was doing so good...and then my friend turns to me and says "he is going to pitch a no hitter" - he then proceeded to load the bases with walks....if only he could have gotten that last out.

machado had some incredible throws.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2014, 09:03:03 am
Y'know, a wise man once said.....

One out of three might get it done in the AL East,  but not in the AL West.  You need to win 2 out of 3 just to keep up...

He must be hoping for one out of three at this point.  ;D

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/kmdobrz/trout_zps858b4340.jpg~original) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/kmdobrz/media/trout_zps858b4340.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 11:40:23 am
The A's and the O's are clearly the class of the AL right now.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 31, 2014, 04:51:39 pm
The A's and the O's are clearly the class of the AL right now.
Standing by this post-trade deadline?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 05:00:12 pm
The A's and the O's are clearly the class of the AL right now.
Standing by this post-trade deadline?

Really rough day for the rest of the American League not named Oakland or Detroit.

It's so demoralizing when your team is no worse off than when you woke up this morning, yet you feel so much worse because the needle moved so far....

The only bright side I've found is that the Halo's won't have to face Price in a one game playoff...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on July 31, 2014, 05:17:15 pm
I heard the O's traded three pencils and a ball autographed by Sidney Ponson for a box of scorecards.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 05:23:36 pm
The A's and the O's are clearly the class of the AL right now.
Standing by this post-trade deadline?

Really rough day for the rest of the American League not named Oakland or Detroit.

It's so demoralizing when your team is no worse off than when you woke up this morning, yet you feel so much worse because the needle moved so far....

The only bright side I've found is that the Halo's won't have to face Price in a one game playoff...

is this a reverse-jinx of some sort?  LAA was the best team in the AL-west yesterday. still are today.  realistically, OAK just traded for 3 or 4 wins more for lester.  they lost a win or two losing cespedes. let's call it a net-gain of two wins.

meanwhile, albert pujols returning to old form at the plate and mike trout, continuing to be the best player in baseball.  LAA is gonna win that division.

i'm betting OAK is playing a 1-game playoff vs. baltimore or NYY.  
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 05:32:15 pm

is this a reverse-jinx of some sort?

No, this was.


The A's and the O's are clearly the class of the AL right now.

And are you trying to get me to buy the first round or something?  Because I can be bought with hope and pleasantries...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 05:35:59 pm
nice try, but this

meanwhile, albert pujols returning to old form at the plate and mike trout, continuing to be the best player in baseball.  LAA is gonna win that division.

i'm betting OAK is playing a 1-game playoff vs. baltimore or NYY.  

was a reverse jinx of your reverse jinx
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 05:38:23 pm
And are you trying to get me to buy the first round or something?  Because I can be bought with hope and pleasantries...

i agreed to wine. the least you could do is get the first bottle or two.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2014, 06:09:33 pm
i'm betting OAK is playing a 1-game playoff vs. baltimore or NYY.  

You're betting on the Yankees?  Making the playoffs?  Seriously? 

So who do you have winning the East?  Everyone seems to be checking out at this point except for Toronto and the Orioles.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 06:10:48 pm
nice try, but this was a reverse jinx of your reverse jinx

You sonofabitch...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 06:11:31 pm
You're betting on the Yankees?  Making the playoffs?  Seriously? 

So who do you have winning the East?  Everyone seems to be checking out at this point except for Toronto and the Orioles.

Did you not see that they picked up Stephen Drew?!!  #gameover
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 06:54:05 pm
i'm betting OAK is playing a 1-game playoff vs. baltimore or NYY.  

You're betting on the Yankees?  Making the playoffs?  Seriously? 

So who do you have winning the East?  Everyone seems to be checking out at this point except for Toronto and the Orioles.

i think toronto wins the division and BAL or NYY take the wild card.

do i really think NYY catches the wild card? not really. but for whatever reason they are only 3 games out of the wild card right now, and it's not like the AL east is going to be beating each other up like the central or the west....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on July 31, 2014, 06:55:22 pm
You're betting on the Yankees?  Making the playoffs?  Seriously? 

So who do you have winning the East?  Everyone seems to be checking out at this point except for Toronto and the Orioles.

Did you not see that they picked up Stephen Drew?!!  #gameover

it's kind of like his time with the red sox was spring training, and tomorrow will be opening day of the regular season for him!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on July 31, 2014, 08:19:41 pm
George is rolling in his grave... the Yankees have become a team to be scorned...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2014, 08:39:53 pm
Are you kidding me?  No hitter with 2 outs in the fifth and he gets hurt? 

Hours after the trade deadline?

FML
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2014, 11:06:20 pm
Are you kidding me?  No hitter with 2 outs in the fifth and he gets hurt? 

Hours after the trade deadline?

FML

Didn't realize I was watching MLS.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 01, 2014, 01:01:24 am
Miller to Orioles now, per Buster Olney.

I like it.  Starting pitching has improved dramatically lately.  And Miller is much more than just a match-up lefty.  Miller/O'Day/Britton to end games could become habit forming. 

KLaw: "the Red Sox acquiring lefty Eduardo Rodriguez from the Orioles for two months of left-handed reliever Andrew Miller was the best value move of the day -- a great return for Boston, and the deal with the best minor league prospect moved over the course of the whole day. "
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on August 01, 2014, 02:41:42 am
this is just the best

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/51231442/v34976545/laabal-machado-makes-an-amazing-play-to-nab-pujols
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 01, 2014, 08:22:53 am
I can't believe he did that 2 nights in a row.  Wednesday's game was just great!  Sad they couldn't sweep, but some really great baseball being played lately.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 01, 2014, 01:11:25 pm
I can't believe he did that 2 nights in a row.  Wednesday's game was just great!  Sad they couldn't sweep, but some really great baseball being played lately.

To the same batter!  Pujols face was priceless....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 01, 2014, 05:44:38 pm
Your new reliever at AAA Norfolk - Joe Saunders!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 01, 2014, 08:38:31 pm
Your new reliever at AAA Norfolk - Joe Saunders!

ANOTHER LEFTY?

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 04, 2014, 02:49:00 pm
Next man up - Jim Johnson.

But not with the Orioles, apparently.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 05, 2014, 02:42:57 pm
Next man up - Jim Johnson.

But not with the Orioles, apparently.

Nope.  The Tigers took that flyer...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 07, 2014, 08:21:02 pm
CALEB JOSEPH

AGAIN

Awesome.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on August 08, 2014, 08:09:45 am
He's done an admirable job with the big shoes he had to fill.

This weekend is a nice test for the team.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 08, 2014, 05:21:57 pm
Would love to be there tonight.  In Rhode Island instead.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 10, 2014, 10:21:12 am
Me too.  At home taking care of my husband.  Can't believe we had to miss that game! But, it was cool they showed the ceremony on tv.

Will be there Wednesday though!  He is on the mend!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 12, 2014, 03:13:36 pm
Sean (Baltimore): Why do Sabermetricians hate the Orioles so much?

David Schoenfield  (3:02 PM):  Sabermetricians don't have emotions so how can they "hate"?

I laughed.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 12, 2014, 03:17:10 pm
David Schoenfield  (3:02 PM):  Sabermetricians don't have emotions so how can they "hate"?
You cannnnnnnnnnnnn putitonthe boarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 13, 2014, 09:05:32 am
Going to the Yard tonight.  Hopefully we'll make it through the entire game.

Worried about the Manny announcement. Hope it's just 15 days.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 13, 2014, 09:48:59 am
Going to the Yard tonight.  Hopefully we'll make it through the entire game.

Worried about the Manny announcement. Hope it's just 15 days.

It's worrisome that it's the same knee he had surgery on.  Is this going to affect him his whole career?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on August 13, 2014, 10:59:38 am
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-still-waiting-on-final-results-of-manny-machados-mri-but-initial-findings-are-optimistic-20140812,0,209466.story?track=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

might be on 15 day DL
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: bekessler on August 13, 2014, 11:55:58 am
Going to the Yard tonight.  Hopefully we'll make it through the entire game.

Worried about the Manny announcement. Hope it's just 15 days.

It's worrisome that it's the same knee he had surgery on.  Is this going to affect him his whole career?

Right knee this time.  Left knee last year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 13, 2014, 12:30:01 pm
What's should concern you is that he has Greg Oden knees....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 13, 2014, 12:46:54 pm
What's should concern you is that he has Greg Oden knees....

He's really 40 years old?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 13, 2014, 01:32:05 pm
What's should concern you is that he has Greg Oden knees....
His knees beat women while wearing the most Ohio-tastic tshirt ever?

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/08/07/0807-gregg-oden-t-shirt-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 19, 2014, 01:51:35 pm
(http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2014/08/MarkakisCatch.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 19, 2014, 06:13:33 pm
orioles and nats both on amazing runs....

dare I say it?


I95 series.....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 19, 2014, 07:50:48 pm
Ubaldo Ubullpen.  Finally.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on August 19, 2014, 08:25:10 pm
And with Pearce hitting again, let's put Davis on the bench when Manny returns.

Ubaldo Ubullpen.  Finally.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 19, 2014, 08:55:44 pm
And with Pearce hitting again, let's put Davis on the bench when Manny returns.

Ubaldo Ubullpen.  Finally.

Manny's return isn't sounding as optimistic as first believed.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on August 22, 2014, 09:25:10 pm
Shut down by Arrieta and Strop. Ouch. How many wins does Feldman have for the O's this year?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on August 22, 2014, 09:41:40 pm
Going to the Yard tonight.  Hopefully we'll make it through the entire game.

Worried about the Manny announcement. Hope it's just 15 days.

It's worrisome that it's the same knee he had surgery on.  Is this going to affect him his whole career?

Right knee this time.  Left knee last year.

season ending. ouch.

and jake arrieta, throwing salt on that wound today.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 23, 2014, 10:13:16 am
Shut down by Arrieta and Strop. Ouch. How many wins does Feldman have for the O's this year?

30 million
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on August 24, 2014, 05:17:09 pm
Uh-oh. Here come the Yankees.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on August 24, 2014, 05:36:17 pm
ugggggggghhhh
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 24, 2014, 10:52:31 pm
nonsense
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 25, 2014, 12:10:01 pm
Terrible.  About Manny.  At the Cubs.  Just awful.

We were there Wednesday for the Sox, and then Friday and Saturday at Wrigley.  Just awful.

Hoping they get over it and turn it around tonight.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on August 28, 2014, 10:37:12 pm
Intentionally walking Davis with two outs to pitch to Hardy? What a gift!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 29, 2014, 07:46:57 am
Andrew F-ing Miller!

And how 'bout that closer?  Man, is he lights out or what?

It's been a good ride so far - hope to see it continue.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 29, 2014, 08:00:12 am
Me too. Britton has been great this year.  Who'd have thought? 

Good game last night, but man am I tired this morning!  Marathon training and late night O's games do not mix!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on August 29, 2014, 08:58:17 am
was at the game last night...game didn't start off that great, but awesome they pulled it out in the end
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 29, 2014, 12:26:48 pm
Me too!  Hence super tired.

It was like deja vu all over again with Bud Norris that first inning.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 30, 2014, 11:27:55 pm
Duquette making moves for the playoff roster.  I like it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 31, 2014, 11:39:31 am
From Buster:

Manny Machado's injuries and the timing of them in the early climb through his career would seem to greatly hurt his chances of working out a very long-term deal with the Orioles before he becomes eligible for free agency.

Machado, 22, will have two years and 56 days of service time after this season, and he?ll be eligible for arbitration for the first time after next season. Given the unusual nature of his knee injuries, the Orioles would want to see him play through an extended period -- say, at least two seasons -- before they would consider giving him the sort of deal that would run into his late 20s. The Orioles have long been regarded by agents as a team leery of injury risk, and have backed away from free agents -- from Will Clark to Grant Balfour -- because of that factor.

But within another couple of seasons, Machado will be closing in on free agency, and if he bounces back in a big way and stays healthy over the next two seasons, his representation would presumably look for the Orioles to be very aggressive in keeping him.

This is not going to be a case in which the Orioles don?t want Machado, but it could develop into a situation in which the timing of his injuries will affect the team?s interest in working out a timely big-money, long-term deal
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on August 31, 2014, 05:10:29 pm
Fire Ubaldo.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 04, 2014, 12:08:14 pm
So which one of the five starters do you drop from you playoff rotation? Gausman? Or does it depend on who the opponent is?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 04, 2014, 12:40:30 pm
I am not looking forward to the ESPN fuckfest for Derek Jeter next Sunday.

And I hope the Orioles really do give him the Maier picture.

That is all.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on September 04, 2014, 01:09:41 pm
That pic is all he deserves. I hate the fact that he's getting anything whatsoever.

As to who gets dropped...I'd vote Jiminez.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 04, 2014, 01:14:38 pm
Jiminez is already dropped. After that, there's still five. I'm assuming you have to drop one of:


Tillman
Chen
Gonzalez
Norris
Gausman

That pic is all he deserves. I hate the fact that he's getting anything whatsoever.

As to who gets dropped...I'd vote Jiminez.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 04, 2014, 01:17:11 pm
So which one of the five starters do you drop from you playoff rotation? Gausman? Or does it depend on who the opponent is?

I think Tilman and Chen are the only two sure bets.  The rest probably depends on matchups.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 04, 2014, 02:13:52 pm
The rest probably depends on matchups.

This.  How could you not start Tillman, Gonzalez and Norris against Anaheim?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 07, 2014, 06:47:15 pm
Nelson Cruz relaunches his MVP campaign. Nice!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on September 08, 2014, 08:45:36 am
that game last night was crazy
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 09, 2014, 09:47:58 am
TEN GAME LEAD EVERYONE.

TEN GAME LEAD.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 09, 2014, 10:32:25 am
I'm going to go with Tillman, Chen, and Gonzelez as my first three.

The rest probably depends on matchups.

This.  How could you not start Tillman, Gonzalez and Norris against Anaheim?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 09, 2014, 12:26:19 pm
I'm going to go with Tillman, Chen, and Gonzelez as my first three.

Sure, against Detroit/KC, but not Anaheim.

Bud Norris is a career 4-0 in 6 starts against the Angels, with a 0.43 ERA.  Zero point four three.  Chen is 0-1 in 2 starts with a 5.23. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 09, 2014, 12:40:25 pm
But teams typically go with four starters, right? If so, add Norris and have Gausman be your long man.


I'm going to go with Tillman, Chen, and Gonzelez as my first three.

Sure, against Detroit/KC, but not Anaheim.

Bud Norris is a career 4-0 in 6 starts against the Angels, with a 0.43 ERA.  Zero point four three.  Chen is 0-1 in 2 starts with a 5.23. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 10, 2014, 12:20:49 pm
              FIELDING %     DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY      ULTIMATE ZONE RATING           DEFENSIVE RUNS SAVED
                                                                                                                                                                Orioles'                   
MLB               3rd                          5th                                      2nd                                        2nd
Rank

 Defensive Efficiency is the percentage of balls in play (i.e., fair balls that don't leave the park) that a defense converts into outs; Ultimate Zone Rating is an advanced play-by-play defensive metric available at FanGraphs; and Defensive Runs Saved is a complicated measure that makes use of all sorts of defensive calculations and arrives at an overall figure.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 10, 2014, 04:37:58 pm
Chen pitched a perfect game through 5 today.

Orioles really running away with it.

Time to sweep the Yankees this weekend and really put a hurting on Derek Jeter night on ESPN.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 10, 2014, 04:48:57 pm
hold on, not so fast.

remember two years ago when Joe Saunders was the go to guy?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 11, 2014, 09:26:59 am
Yes.

but, they still won!

Yankees sweep time.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 11, 2014, 01:43:44 pm
I think it's time to get excited when you're scoring a touchdown every game for a week...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 11, 2014, 03:48:09 pm
You don't think it's time to get excited?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 11, 2014, 05:49:43 pm
You don't think it's time to get excited?

Of course, but that's because the Halo's have won 7 straight and scored a touchdown per game for the entire week.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 11, 2014, 06:32:10 pm
You don't think it's time to get excited?

Of course, but that's because the Halo's have won 7 straight and scored a touchdown per game for the entire week.



Better save some of that for later....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 12, 2014, 11:19:37 am
Chris Davis suspended for positive test.

#notshocked
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 12, 2014, 11:27:00 am
Chris Davis suspended for positive test.

#notshocked
Does Cabrera retroactively win a second Triple Crown? No offense to Orioles fans, but I agree: least surprising story ever.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 12, 2014, 11:30:04 am
I agree: least surprising story ever.

The only surprise here for me was that it was for amphetamines and not a more powerful performance enhancing drug.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 12, 2014, 11:31:24 am
Oh it was? I honestly hadn't heard about it until you just posted. How weird.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 12, 2014, 11:41:08 am
Oh it was? I honestly hadn't heard about it until you just posted. How weird.

ESPN about 10 minutes behind Smackies sources...

"I made a mistake taking Adderall.  I had permission in the past, but I don't now."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 12, 2014, 12:01:15 pm
sucks.

they don't need him to win though.

But, still...sucks.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 12, 2014, 12:05:01 pm
Buck will plug somebody else in and it will work. It just seems like that kind of season.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on September 12, 2014, 12:15:48 pm
"I made a mistake taking Adderall.  I had permission in the past, but I don't now."

He's an idiot.  Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 12, 2014, 12:29:00 pm
He's an idiot.  Plain and simple.

Yep.  These things are not accidents.

According to Jerry Crasnick:

MLB's drug agreement mandates followup testing for amphetamine offense. 25 games for 2nd offense. 80 games for a 3rd.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 12, 2014, 12:52:23 pm
What a dummy.  Oh well. Pearce plays every day now. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 12, 2014, 02:23:26 pm
I think you mean Kelly Johnson/Jimmy Parasite/Ryan Flaherty rotate at third base subbing for Davis.

Pearce was already playing everyday at first base.
What a dummy.  Oh well. Pearce plays every day now. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 12, 2014, 02:54:18 pm
on wikipedia it says 15-25 games for first offense and 25-50 games for second offense.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 12, 2014, 03:06:49 pm
on wikipedia it says 15-25 games for first offense and 25-50 games for second offense.

You're looking at conviction for banned substance, not testing positive.

From the source document:

http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf

Section 7, sub B (it's page 22)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 12, 2014, 05:59:34 pm
I think you mean Kelly Johnson/Jimmy Parasite/Ryan Flaherty rotate at third base subbing for Davis.

Pearce was already playing everyday at first base.
What a dummy.  Oh well. Pearce plays every day now. 

You haven't been watching very closely, have you?   There's a 1B by C Davis in every box score this past week.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 12, 2014, 07:04:05 pm
Actually, Pearce had started four of the previous five games at 1B, and one in RF. Johnson is the late inning defensive 3B sub, and Davis moves to first. But Pearce was the starter.

I think you mean Kelly Johnson/Jimmy Parasite/Ryan Flaherty rotate at third base subbing for Davis.

Pearce was already playing everyday at first base.
What a dummy.  Oh well. Pearce plays every day now. 

You haven't been watching very closely, have you?   There's a 1B by C Davis in every box score this past week.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 12, 2014, 07:36:56 pm
heck of a win... O's usually lose those to the Yankees.......
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 13, 2014, 09:11:56 am
nicely done O's....nail in the Yankee season coffin..
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 13, 2014, 12:04:17 pm
nicely done O's....nail in the Yankee season coffin..

Yeah, Jeets!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 14, 2014, 07:22:01 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24707193/why-did-davis-do-it-thanks-to-condition-ball-began-to-look-like-a-blur
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 14, 2014, 09:48:57 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24707193/why-did-davis-do-it-thanks-to-condition-ball-began-to-look-like-a-blur

complex issues for sure...

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on September 14, 2014, 10:02:51 pm
i think davis was dumb for pushing it adn continuing to take adderall without the exemption (and after a first failed test) but the fact that he had an exemption, then didnt, is problematic to me. if mlb granted him the exemption in the first place, surely he had a good case for why he needed it, so what changed and when?

again, hes not innocent here but a lot of the details here make this whole system seem kinda misguided imo.

but im also of the mind that its a brutally long season and players should be allowed to take what they need to take to stay focused. thats a whole new can of worms i guess
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 15, 2014, 07:45:43 am
My work season is brutally long. Longer than an MLB season. Hell, I bet they don't wake up at 5:30 in the morning for work. And I have to put in more than a decade before I retire. Should I be able to take whatever I want to get through it?


i think davis was dumb for pushing it adn continuing to take adderall without the exemption (and after a first failed test) but the fact that he had an exemption, then didnt, is problematic to me. if mlb granted him the exemption in the first place, surely he had a good case for why he needed it, so what changed and when?

again, hes not innocent here but a lot of the details here make this whole system seem kinda misguided imo.

but im also of the mind that its a brutally long season and players should be allowed to take what they need to take to stay focused. thats a whole new can of worms i guess
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on September 15, 2014, 08:22:58 am
sure, fine with me
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 15, 2014, 09:02:53 am
I find a baseball hard to track as well. Its one of the big reasons I don't play MLB.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 15, 2014, 09:35:26 am
I personally know people who perform my job at Chris Davis levels (.196, 1.4 K's per game). They don't make 10 million a year.

I find a baseball hard to track as well. Its one of the big reasons I don't play MLB.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 15, 2014, 09:36:13 am
Seems like you could do as well as Davis was.

I find a baseball hard to track as well. Its one of the big reasons I don't play MLB.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 15, 2014, 01:13:11 pm
nicely done O's....nail in the Yankee season coffin..

I hope they're the team that knocks them out of the playoffs officially.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 15, 2014, 06:07:00 pm
Going Wednesday - I'm hoping they split the first two with Toronto.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 16, 2014, 07:54:51 am
Ubaldo on the mound tonight so you may get your wish.

Would be ironic and yet somehow fitting if they clinched with Ubaldo on the mound.


Going Wednesday - I'm hoping they split the first two with Toronto.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2014, 07:55:23 am
If they lose tonight (and I hope they don't), I'm going Wednesday as well.

I have track tonight and I'm 5 weeks out from the marathon, so I have to be responsible and run.

Last night was fun, except for the Caleb Joseph almost getting hit in the face.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on September 16, 2014, 08:55:23 am
yeah, i was at the game last night...that was messed up.  i'm thinking of going to the game tonight as well, would be cool to see them clinch
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2014, 12:35:54 pm
Anyone going Sunday?

Should be a great celebration!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 16, 2014, 01:19:43 pm
Anyone going Sunday?

Should be a great celebration!

I'll be there Sunday as well.  Gotta get a Tilly bobblehead!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 16, 2014, 05:14:40 pm
We're not too far off what the pundits are thinking:

Matt (Milford, DE )

If you're Buck Showalter, what does your postseason rotation look like?

David Schoenfield  (1:23 PM)

I think some of it depends on matchups. I believe Bud Norris, for example, has a good record against the Angels. Maybe he pitches in Anaheim. Maybe Chen goes against a lefty-leaning team like Oakland or Seattle. But I guess you go Tillman and then Gonzalez the way he's been pitching. After that? Who knows, although I'd love to bet on Gausman right now.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 16, 2014, 10:20:00 pm
Like I said...

Ubaldo on the mound tonight so you may get your wish.

Would be ironic and yet somehow fitting if they clinched with Ubaldo on the mound.


Going Wednesday - I'm hoping they split the first two with Toronto.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 16, 2014, 11:26:05 pm
Baltimore Orioles and their fans: WE the Washington Nationals and its fans want to welcome you to the 2014 major league baseball playoffs...what took you so long??? We been waiting for you... ;D
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 16, 2014, 11:31:30 pm
Congratulations to the Orioles on clinching their first division title since 1997 (remember Albert Belle? man that seems like ancient history...nearly 20 years ago!)... as a team that has clinched two of the past three NL Division East titles we know how hard it is and we salute you for finally winning something again......
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 16, 2014, 11:36:28 pm
Like I said...

Ubaldo on the mound tonight so you may get your wish.

Would be ironic and yet somehow fitting if they clinched with Ubaldo on the mound.

Going Wednesday - I'm hoping they split the first two with Toronto.



Seems to me you said they might win or they might lose.  Good call Swami.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 16, 2014, 11:46:51 pm
Like I said...

Ubaldo on the mound tonight so you may get your wish.

Would be ironic and yet somehow fitting if they clinched with Ubaldo on the mound.

Going Wednesday - I'm hoping they split the first two with Toronto.



Seems to me you said they might win or they might lose.  Good call Swami.

it really is brilliant soothsayering . ... in the James Fordian universe the term IF ("if they clinched with Ubaldo") means "YUP! I CALLED IT BABY!"
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 17, 2014, 08:19:46 am
Reading comprehension, dudes. no offense but y'all seem to lack it. What are you, from Baltimore or something?

What I meant was that if they clinch with Ubaldo on the mound, irony would be in the air. And they did. And it is. So I was right, so right. See?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 17, 2014, 10:19:18 am
Irony indeed.  Ubaldo and Tommy Hunter pitching the 9th!

How sweet it is!!!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 17, 2014, 10:28:47 am
Reading comprehension, dudes. no offense but y'all seem to lack it. What are you, from Baltimore or something?

What I meant was that if they clinch with Ubaldo on the mound, irony would be in the air. And they did. And it is. So I was right, so right. See?

No.  You said 'With Ubaldo on the mound you may get your wish'.  Meaning the O's would lose.

And you also said 'Would be ironic and yet somehow fitting if they clinched with Ubaldo on the mound'.  Meaning the O's would win.

See?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 17, 2014, 11:03:23 am
Reading comprehension, dudes. no offense but y'all seem to lack it. What are you, from Baltimore or something?

What I meant was that if they clinch with Ubaldo on the mound, irony would be in the air. And they did. And it is. So I was right, so right. See?

No.  You said 'With Ubaldo on the mound you may get your wish'.  Meaning the O's would lose.

And you also said 'Would be ironic and yet somehow fitting if they clinched with Ubaldo on the mound'.  Meaning the O's would win.

See?
That is not at all what I read James Ford's comments to mean.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 17, 2014, 11:11:22 am
Moving on......

Richard Justice, always a great read:  http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/94383392/orioles-buck-showalter-playoffs-2014
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 17, 2014, 12:34:19 pm
Congratulations O's fans - that was a long time coming!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on September 17, 2014, 01:08:44 pm
adam jones running around with pies was the best

what was up with champagne goggles
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 17, 2014, 02:23:40 pm
adam jones running around with pies was the best

what was up with champagne goggles


That stuff stings.

Guess I'll be seeing the B squad tonight.  Hangovers all around.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 17, 2014, 02:33:47 pm
Aside from Jones, Cruz, and Markakis, it seems like the whole starting lineup is a collection of B squadders each night.

adam jones running around with pies was the best

what was up with champagne goggles


That stuff stings.

Guess I'll be seeing the B squad tonight.  Hangovers all around.


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 17, 2014, 02:46:26 pm
Aside from Jones, Cruz, and Markakis, it seems like the whole starting lineup is a collection of B squadders each night.


You're dissing Hardy.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 22, 2014, 10:20:53 am
Tillman, Chen, Gonzo, TBD (Norris).
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 23, 2014, 11:39:26 pm
but the fact that he had an exemption, then didnt, is problematic to me. if mlb granted him the exemption in the first place, surely he had a good case for why he needed it, so what changed and when?

again, hes not innocent here but a lot of the details here make this whole system seem kinda misguided imo.

Here's your answer:

He had an exemption back when it took a note from any doctor to get the exemption - and not surprisingly MLB had an ADHD rate way above the general public's.

Then MLB went to a three person committee and he, along with many others, didn't pass the new scrutiny.  That was in 2012.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-adderall-policies-20140921,0,1833937.story

The question now would be when was his original positive test.  I have a guess - sometime after last years HR derby, but that's pure speculation.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 24, 2014, 04:46:11 pm
95 wins with 4 to go.  Nice!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on September 24, 2014, 04:54:34 pm
and yankees out of the post season.  how sweet that is.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 07:49:54 am
Ain't the beer cold?!

I'm a little worried the Orioles will have to play late tonight since it's king/god/all encompassing baseball legend Derek Jeter's last home game tonight.  No way they're calling that for rain.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 09:34:49 am
So who makes the 25 man playoff roster? Here's 15, you name the other 10.


Tillman
Chen
Norris
Gausman
Gonzalez
ODay
Miller
Britton

Jones
Cruz
Markakis
Pearce
Hardy
Joseph
Hundley
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 11:26:47 am
Hunter
Matusz
Meek/Brach/McFarland (I cannot pick between these guys.  It's a toss up)
Saunders

Flaherty
Paredes
De Aza
Young
Lough
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 11:34:06 am
What about Webb?

No way on Saunders. Meek's numbers aren't so great either. Brach is the obvious choice of that threesome.

And you leave K. Johnson off?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 11:48:07 am
oops!  Forgot him!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 11:54:09 am
Did you also forget about Schoop, or are you leaving him off?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: bekessler on September 25, 2014, 11:59:29 am
What about Webb?

No way on Saunders. Meek's numbers aren't so great either. Brach is the obvious choice of that threesome.

And you leave K. Johnson off?

Assuming Gausman comes out of the pen, don't think Brach is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 12:07:23 pm
I left him off.

It's too hard.  This is why I trust Buck.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 12:09:07 pm
So you'd pick McFarland, of those three, because he's a lefty? Or is he unnecessary because you have Matusz?


What about Webb?

No way on Saunders. Meek's numbers aren't so great either. Brach is the obvious choice of that threesome.

And you leave K. Johnson off?

Assuming Gausman comes out of the pen, don't think Brach is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 25, 2014, 12:10:18 pm
Too bad they can't have a 35 man playoff roster. The O's would be  WS favorites. Buck would probably play all 35 guys.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: emmanuel on September 25, 2014, 12:24:20 pm
Anyone got playoff tickets from the lottery?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 03:58:33 pm
I got some from the season ticket holder presale for friends for all the home games.

Regular season lottery is Saturday.  I gave my code to my friend.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 25, 2014, 03:59:14 pm
So you'd pick McFarland, of those three, because he's a lefty? Or is he unnecessary because you have Matusz?


What about Webb?

No way on Saunders. Meek's numbers aren't so great either. Brach is the obvious choice of that threesome.

And you leave K. Johnson off?

Assuming Gausman comes out of the pen, don't think Brach is the obvious choice.

Right now, out of those three, I'd probably pick Brach.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 26, 2014, 09:26:33 pm
The errors need to stop before the playoffs start.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: jeffml on September 27, 2014, 07:31:21 am
I'm in for Thursday night
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 27, 2014, 02:06:11 pm
Reinforcements on the way - Alexi Casilla.  Buck is clearly unhappy with the defense at 3B.

I think Paredes is now no longer on the post-season roster. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 28, 2014, 11:46:09 am
Angels fans and O's fans alike should be rooting for two game 163's tomorrow...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 28, 2014, 01:33:01 pm
Angels fans and O's fans alike should be rooting for two game 163's tomorrow...
I'd be stunned if this doesn't happen. Oakland would be the best possibility to break suit and get a win. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2014, 10:58:04 am
Anyone got playoff tickets from the lottery?

Sold out now according to O's tweet.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 29, 2014, 01:04:06 pm
My friend got tickets on Saturday for the lottery.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2014, 12:37:55 pm
(http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1334/8217/original.jpg?w=600&h)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 01:16:42 pm
Wow.  How is that not Bryce Harper?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on September 30, 2014, 01:52:10 pm
FTFY

Wow.  How is that not Anthony Rendon?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 30, 2014, 02:04:06 pm
It doesn't matter which National it is - just the fact the they're the current odds on favorites to win the World Series and SI chose to put an Oriole on the front of the mag with a Capital speaks volumes.

And described it thusly:

October 6, 2014 | Hoping to avoid early playoff exits, fans of the Beltway teams pins its championship hopes on Orioles outfielder Adam Jones and Capitals center Alex Ovechkin.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2014, 02:19:26 pm
Scherzer - Verlander - Price - Porcello
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 02, 2014, 09:51:24 am
EEEK!!!!  So excited for tonight!

Nervous!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 02, 2014, 12:08:32 pm
Ubaldo on ALDS roster, Matusz and McFarland not on roster.

Parades, Flaherty, Johnson all on, Berry off.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 02, 2014, 01:47:34 pm
Jim Johnson for Tigers is most notable ALDS roster omission. Won't get a chance to beat the brains out of your old closer.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 02, 2014, 03:45:16 pm
Ubaldo on ALDS roster, Matusz and McFarland not on roster.

Parades, Flaherty, Johnson all on, Berry off.

Lots of righties in the Tigers lineup.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 03, 2014, 03:37:14 pm
Absolutely the worst bullpen in a decade. Unreal how bad these guys are.

To register 5 outs, they've given up 12 runs.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 04, 2014, 01:16:24 pm
Norris and Gonzalez switched now.  Norris goes in Game 3.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 04, 2014, 02:08:09 pm
Anybody have any idea why the O's switched Miguel to game 4 and Bud to game 3?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 04, 2014, 04:21:33 pm
Anybody have any idea why the O's switched Miguel to game 4 and Bud to game 3?

A few reasons in here:

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2014/10/showalter-on-decision-to-start-norris-in-game-3.html
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 05, 2014, 01:20:02 pm
No Rajai Davis today.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 05, 2014, 02:16:57 pm
No Rajai Davis today.
Great, that will fix it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2014, 07:21:23 pm
wow 2-1 ...come on orioles...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2014, 07:28:00 pm
YES!

congrats Orioles fans!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 05, 2014, 07:35:30 pm
woooooohoooooooooo!!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 05, 2014, 07:56:27 pm
Davis with five games more on suspension...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 05, 2014, 09:26:15 pm
O's win and this is your comment, Eeyore??

 He'll be activated for the World Series - if they get there.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2014, 11:07:01 pm
Davis with five games more on suspension...

I laughed at this.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 06, 2014, 06:49:28 am
I don't have cable TV and I don't live in Baltimore. I'll get excited if/when they win the WS. Until then, I'll think practical, like Buck surely is.


O's win and this is your comment, Eeyore??

 He'll be activated for the World Series - if they get there.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 06, 2014, 07:03:27 am
I have cable and I don't live in Baltimore either.  I don't know what that has to do with Chris Davis.   He's an afterthought.  Until the Series.  If they get there.  As I said.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 06, 2014, 08:36:52 am
If the Detroit series had gone five, Davis would have been available for the games 4-7 of the ALCS. There would have been debate about whether they should hold a roster spot for him for those games. (I think there was a Sun article on this potential prior to Sunday's game.) Now, with him out five more games, there's really no debate. Which is good, I'm glad he's not playing in the ALCS, and glad there's no controversy, at least for the next series.

Now hopefully they come to their senses and keep Uselessbaldo off of the ALCS roster. They may need an extra pitcher for a potential seven game series (?), but if they do, add two of (Webb, Matusz, McFarland) and drop U-Baldo.



 They swept so he would only
I have cable and I don't live in Baltimore either.  I don't know what that has to do with Chris Davis.   He's an afterthought.  Until the Series.  If they get there.  As I said.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 06, 2014, 09:40:16 am
So, pitching rotation for ALCS? How many times do you potentially throw Chen after his lousy game vs. Detroit?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 06, 2014, 10:00:58 am
http://deadspin.com/buck-showalter-cant-stop-pushing-the-right-buttons-1642828519
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 06, 2014, 12:00:18 pm
SO EXCITED!  Friday was amazing!!!!  Can't wait to go Saturday!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 07, 2014, 10:03:15 am
in the queue to buy ALCS tickets......i'm fairly certain they will be sold out before I get a chance to purchase
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 07, 2014, 10:15:49 am
in the queue to buy ALCS tickets......i'm fairly certain they will be sold out before I get a chance to purchase


I was stuck in the queue, so I kept re-entering.  Got in and snagged close Upper Boxes for Games 6 and 7!
Changed my flight from NH to get back Sat for Game 2! 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 07, 2014, 10:31:27 am
i managed to get in as well.....got tickets for game 1, game 3 and game 4.  can't go to game 1 so going to sell it on stubhub (hopefully..currently i can't seem to sell it directly from my account to stubhub like i could with regular season tickets...not sure what the deal is...)

have section 75 for game 1, section 340 for game 3, and section 81 for game 4. 

i do wonder if people actually pay these insane prices i'm seeing on stubhub.....$280 for section 75
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 07, 2014, 12:24:55 pm
I'm going to games 1 and 2.  I snagged tickets to all the games, but am helping out some friends.

Haggis, would you take face or a little over for game 1?  I have a friend looking for a ticket.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 08, 2014, 07:21:57 am
I do believe the Orioles were the only higher seed team to advance in the playoffs.... Dodgers, Nationals and Angels didn't make it...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 08, 2014, 08:56:06 am
Now this rain needs to GO AWAY
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 08, 2014, 04:38:41 pm
According to TiqIQ, the current average price on the secondary market for Orioles ALCS tickets is $499, which makes them the second most expensive ALCS average price in the last five years.   At current prices, only Red Sox tickets to last year?s ALCS are more expensive.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 08, 2014, 04:52:58 pm
... Red Sox ... last year?s ALCS ...
DON'T FUCKING THROW A MEATBALL TO ORTIZ, BENOIT!! STUPID MOTHE---

Sorry, PTSD.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2014, 06:01:01 pm
Consider the source, but he's probably right (for this season):

@JimBowden_ESPN Jim Bowden
Best trade deadline deal wasn?t Lester,Price or Samardizja but rather Andrew Miller congrats to Dan Duquette #Orioles #PostSeason
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 08, 2014, 07:36:56 pm
Consider the source, but he's probably right (for this season):

@JimBowden_ESPN Jim Bowden
Best trade deadline deal wasn?t Lester,Price or Samardizja but rather Andrew Miller congrats to Dan Duquette #Orioles #PostSeason

Really going out on a limb there, considering those other guys are busy making tee times now.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 09, 2014, 09:33:03 am
increasing chances of a rainout for game 1.  i've heard if that happens, game 1 will be moved to saturday and game 2 will be moved to sunday - with the travel day removed.

either that or they try to play the game at 3am
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 09, 2014, 09:43:10 am
Any details on game times if the games are moved? i'm guessing the Saturday game time would stay the same?

increasing chances of a rainout for game 1.  i've heard if that happens, game 1 will be moved to saturday and game 2 will be moved to sunday - with the travel day removed.

either that or they try to play the game at 3am

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 09, 2014, 10:16:32 am
Any details on game times if the games are moved? i'm guessing the Saturday game time would stay the same?

increasing chances of a rainout for game 1.  i've heard if that happens, game 1 will be moved to saturday and game 2 will be moved to sunday - with the travel day removed.

either that or they try to play the game at 3am


Most likely.  And Sunday would probably be a 4PM start since the NL game is at 8. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 09, 2014, 10:49:52 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By99sPWCQAA_w7J.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 09, 2014, 10:57:11 am
Is that Chris Davis? Looks like he's lost some muscle mass while on suspension.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By99sPWCQAA_w7J.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 09, 2014, 12:44:55 pm
A JJ Hardy contract extension announcement is likely today!!! YAY!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 09, 2014, 01:03:40 pm
A JJ Hardy contract extension announcement is likely today!!! YAY!

Awesome news.  Reportedly 3 years >$40M.

$40 million over three years, with $6.5 million deferred. The contract also includes a vesting option for a fourth year based on at-bats.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 09, 2014, 01:18:22 pm
J
J
HARDY
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 09, 2014, 02:40:37 pm
'Baltimore got an incredible bargain by signing Nelson Cruz to a one-year, $8 million contract and now Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Orioles are ?pushing to complete? an extension with the 33-year-old impending free agent.'

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/09/orioles-pushing-to-complete-extension-with-nelson-cruz/
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 09, 2014, 02:44:55 pm
Seems like a lot of $$ for a 32 year old guy who hit .268 with nine home runs this year. What do you guys think?

I guess maybe they have a win now, let's keep the team chemistry together attitude.


A JJ Hardy contract extension announcement is likely today!!! YAY!

Awesome news.  Reportedly 3 years >$40M.

$40 million over three years, with $6.5 million deferred. The contract also includes a vesting option for a fourth year based on at-bats.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 09, 2014, 02:52:28 pm
Seems like a lot of $$ for a 32 year old guy who hit .268 with nine home runs this year. What do you guys think?

Compare these two shortstops:

   AB   R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS   WAR
A 529   56   142   28   0   9   52   0   0   29   104   .268   .309   .372   .682   3.4
B 581   47   149   19   1   4   50   10   2   35   87   .256   .304   .313   .617   0.2

Given the offensive #'s, player A must be one helluva defender to get that much money (and have that much higher of a WAR)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 09, 2014, 02:52:56 pm
He could've gotten more out of Cashman.  I think he was also being rewarded for past performance, not necessarily this year's stats, which have been underwhelming, for sure.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 09, 2014, 03:17:20 pm
A 32 year old SS who hit .268 with nine home runs signing for 3 years/$40 million seems like a typical Yankee signing. Couldn't Duquette pull some shortstop out of a magic hat the way he did with Pearce? Bravo to the O's for spending some money though. Not the worst signing ever I'm sure.

I definitely hope they are able to re-sign Miller.

He could've gotten more out of Cashman.  I think he was also being rewarded for past performance, not necessarily this year's stats, which have been underwhelming, for sure.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 09, 2014, 03:44:28 pm
A 32 year old SS who hit .268 with nine home runs signing for 3 years/$40 million seems like a typical Yankee signing.

Player A is Hardy.
Player B is Jeter.

So yeah, probably.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: ggw on October 09, 2014, 03:57:07 pm
Mesothelioma - The gift that keeps on giving.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 09, 2014, 04:03:04 pm
Jeter already made his millions - 265 of them to be specific.

As far as the signing goes - if it doesn't get done the owner is too cheap.  When it does get done - why did they
overpay for a guy with those numbers? 

Can't win.

I'm happy he'll be back. 

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 09, 2014, 09:08:31 pm
A 32 year old SS who hit .268 with nine home runs signing for 3 years/$40 million seems like a typical Yankee signing.

Player A is Hardy.
Player B is Jeter.

So yeah, probably.



You wanna talk Angels contracts?

Sometimes a player's worth can't be measured in cold, hard numbers. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on October 09, 2014, 09:59:35 pm
you know, i see these threads about the orioles and the nationals, and i like baseball and i got to go to a game and i felt like a kid and it was neat with hot dogs and soda pop.  but, seriously . . . who is better, the nationals or the orioles?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 09, 2014, 10:04:27 pm
you know, i see these threads about the orioles and the nationals, and i like baseball and i got to go to a game and i felt like a kid and it was neat with hot dogs and soda pop.  but, seriously . . . who is better, the nationals or the orioles?
Well the Orioles made it further in the playoffs...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 09, 2014, 11:16:59 pm
you know, i see these threads about the orioles and the nationals, and i like baseball and i got to go to a game and i felt like a kid and it was neat with hot dogs and soda pop.  but, seriously . . . who is better, the nationals or the orioles?
Well the Orioles made it further in the playoffs...

Pretty crazy that they both finished 96-66.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 09, 2014, 11:31:10 pm
you know, i see these threads about the orioles and the nationals, and i like baseball and i got to go to a game and i felt like a kid and it was neat with hot dogs and soda pop.  but, seriously . . . who is better, the nationals or the orioles?
Well the Orioles made it further in the playoffs...

Pretty crazy that they both finished 96-66.
I was aware. How else did you want me, as a relatively unbiased observer, to distinguish, in a defensible way, between the two with similar regular-season records other than their postseason success?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 10, 2014, 12:58:08 am
You wanna talk Angels contracts?

Sure, since no one knows them better than me:


   AB   R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS   WAR
A 529   56   142   28   0   9   52   0   0   29   104   .268   .309   .372   .682   3.4
C  589   77   164   30   4   7   68   16   9   36   62   .278   .321   .379   .700   3.9


Player C is a 30 year old shortstop in year 3 of a 5 year, $40m deal.

Who would you rather have - 30 year old Erick Aybar at $8.5m per season for 2 more seasons or 32 year old JJ Hardy at $13.3m per year for at least 3 more seasons?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 10, 2014, 08:53:34 am
You wanna talk Angels contracts?

Sure, since no one knows them better than me:


   AB   R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS   WAR
A 529   56   142   28   0   9   52   0   0   29   104   .268   .309   .372   .682   3.4
C  589   77   164   30   4   7   68   16   9   36   62   .278   .321   .379   .700   3.9


Player C is a 30 year old shortstop in year 3 of a 5 year, $40m deal.

Who would you rather have - 30 year old Erick Aybar at $8.5m per season for 2 more seasons or 32 year old JJ Hardy at $13.3m per year for at least 3 more seasons?

love love Aybar...

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: jeffml on October 10, 2014, 09:58:34 am
I believe O's beat the Washington team 3 out of 4 this season.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Nigel Tufnel on October 10, 2014, 01:12:37 pm
You wanna talk Angels contracts?

Sure, since no one knows them better than me:


   AB   R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS   WAR
A 529   56   142   28   0   9   52   0   0   29   104   .268   .309   .372   .682   3.4
C  589   77   164   30   4   7   68   16   9   36   62   .278   .321   .379   .700   3.9


Player C is a 30 year old shortstop in year 3 of a 5 year, $40m deal.

Who would you rather have - 30 year old Erick Aybar at $8.5m per season for 2 more seasons or 32 year old JJ Hardy at $13.3m per year for at least 3 more seasons?

love love Aybar...



Aybar's the guy who used to walk about the minor league clubhouse with his schlong in a hot dog roll, and then have his teammate put mustard on it and pretend to eat it, isn't he?  I always thought that was a funny story.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 10, 2014, 02:09:36 pm
Matusz for Ubaldo.  And no Ibanez!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 10, 2014, 03:01:55 pm
Still not sure why they need all three of  (Parades, Johnson, Flaherty). Leave one of those guys off (Parades, imo) and put Berry on the roster for late inning PR duties.

Matusz for Ubaldo.  And no Ibanez!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 10, 2014, 03:09:28 pm
Matusz for Ubaldo.

Smart move.  Anaheim was abused by their lefties (Moustakas and Hosmer) in the late innings.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 10, 2014, 03:13:19 pm
I always thought that was a funny story.

Weenie Wednesday!  Yes, it was him and Alberto Callaspo....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 10, 2014, 04:34:35 pm
Forecast says rain at 10pm. Too bad they can't bump up game time.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 11, 2014, 09:20:22 am
 its hard to beat the Kansas City Bombers...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 11, 2014, 12:11:00 pm
its hard to beat the Kansas City Bombers...

7 HRs in 5 postseason games; 95 in 162 regular season games.  They had seven homers in their final 23 regular-season games.

The Royals have scored eight runs three times this postseason. They did so twice after the All-Star break.

The Royals have homered in four straight games this postseason, a franchise record. They did not homer in consecutive games over the final 25 games of the regular season.

The Royals had one extra-inning HR in the regular season. They already have three extra-inning homers in the postseason.
 
Strange.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 12, 2014, 10:16:52 am
The stars do seem to be aligned in their favor.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 13, 2014, 07:55:04 am
I am over this team with my initials!!!

Hope the O's can get it done tonight.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 13, 2014, 10:41:10 am
I am over this team with my initials!!!

Hope the O's can get it done tonight.

Calling for a monsoon tonight.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 13, 2014, 10:49:34 am
great.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 13, 2014, 11:50:26 am
not looking good for the o's (using bullshit statistics) but i hope they turn it around.  going to be tough.

sidenote, i'm seeing all these oriole haters come out of the woodwork lately...i suspect most of them are yankee fans...i find it really odd, i just don't see how you could hate the orioles
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 13, 2014, 12:03:13 pm
not looking good for the o's (using bullshit statistics) but i hope they turn it around.  going to be tough.

sidenote, i'm seeing all these oriole haters come out of the woodwork lately...i suspect most of them are yankee fans...i find it really odd, i just don't see how you could hate the orioles

the only "likable" team left for casual MLB fans to root for his KC.  and sometimes it's just easirer to pick a team to "hate", instead.

but i can't stand the o's, and my dislike stems from being a red sox fan.  you're not going to get much love from AL east fans.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 13, 2014, 12:28:43 pm
Baltimore is entirely likable except folks of your ilk who imagine some hatred for a team you whooped soundly for the better part of two decades.

Whoever comes out of the AL is imminently more likable than whoever comes out of the NL.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 13, 2014, 12:36:57 pm
I also do not understand how the likable team in this matchup is only KC. How do you not totally love this team, who plays like a true TEAM, has the best stadium in baseball, and really awesome fans.

KC players talking trash and the Orioles respond with class.

I hope they sweep the next 4 games.  F statistics.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 13, 2014, 12:40:35 pm
I am over this team with my initials!!!

Tell me about it.  They're not at all what any team prepared for.  Decent starting pitching, sure, but not great.  A great bullpen though - no question.  Speed on the bases - sure.  Even a good defensive team, but I didn't think they'd be this good defensively. 

But this power surge?  Completely ruined the thinking of the later innings - get to the 7th and extra innings and you have a pretty good chance of hitting one out before they do and winning the game.  Or so the thought was before, you know, they games were actually played! 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 13, 2014, 12:42:35 pm
I also do not understand how the likable team in this matchup is only KC. How do you not totally love this team, who plays like a true TEAM, has the best stadium in baseball, and really awesome fans.

I agree with everything here, and still don't like your team because of your owner, who I couldn't help but notice you left off this list.

I don't hate them, I just don't have to like them. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 13, 2014, 12:49:40 pm
Well, the last few years, this owner who everyone seems to hate, has let the management do their jobs.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 13, 2014, 12:51:04 pm
I like all four teams left....Right now I'd probably want KC against SF but the way the teams play will ultimately determine who I'm rooting for because I'm not married to any team....

I think the Orioles have no chance though..

I thought the Cardinals were very fortunate to get the win last night.....but losing Molina...I'd have to say its 80-20 for the Giants to advance...

Royals have completely outplayed the O's in every facet of the game....I don't see how you can't love their defense or players that weren't that impressive during the season feeling no pressure and stepping up big and being clutch.. meanwhile the O's have looked nervous and haven't really played to their potential...What's to love about that?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 13, 2014, 12:54:51 pm
Tell me about it.  They're not at all what any team prepared for.  Decent starting pitching, sure, but not great.  A great bullpen though - no question.  Speed on the bases - sure.  Even a good defensive team, but I didn't think they'd be this good defensively. 

But this power surge?  Completely ruined the thinking of the later innings - get to the 7th and extra innings and you have a pretty good chance of hitting one out before they do and winning the game.  Or so the thought was before, you know, they games were actually played! 
Its almost as though "playoffs" are highly variable, rely on an absurdly small data size while ignoring an astronomically large collection of data points, and is in no way the fairest way to decide a champion in sports!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 13, 2014, 01:06:47 pm
Tell me about it.  They're not at all what any team prepared for.  Decent starting pitching, sure, but not great.  A great bullpen though - no question.  Speed on the bases - sure.  Even a good defensive team, but I didn't think they'd be this good defensively. 

But this power surge?  Completely ruined the thinking of the later innings - get to the 7th and extra innings and you have a pretty good chance of hitting one out before they do and winning the game.  Or so the thought was before, you know, they games were actually played! 
Its almost as though "playoffs" are highly variable, rely on an absurdly small data size while ignoring an astronomically large collection of data points, and is in no way the fairest way to decide a champion in sports!

Spoken like a true "loser"! just kidding...

The playoffs are about who plays better in the playoffs... that simple....some teams step up and some can't handle it.. some have managers that know how to manage and some have managers that make mistakes the team can't overcome...some get a lucky bounce and some don't....I thinkk playoff baseball is just very different from regular season baseball... that's why Matt Williams seems like such a moron to me "going to continue to do what got us here..." blah blah blah.. so long Matt!

But yeah, for some reason in baseball the playoffs seem more variable and the longer they get the more variable.....but look at the NBA for example... the best teams seem to always make the finals.....

The world's most popular sport, soccer/football, the champion in every country but the US is determined by the regular season performance.whoever gets the most points at the end is the champion...that does seem a bit "fairer"....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 13, 2014, 01:30:11 pm
How do you not totally love this team, who plays like a true TEAM, has the best stadium in baseball, and really awesome fans.

KC players talking trash and the Orioles respond with class.

I hope they sweep the next 4 games.  F statistics.

this is pure throw-up material.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 13, 2014, 01:36:08 pm
How do you not totally love this team, who plays like a true TEAM, has the best stadium in baseball, and really awesome fans.

KC players talking trash and the Orioles respond with class.

I hope they sweep the next 4 games.  F statistics.

this is pure throw-up material.


I grew up with the Orioles, and never stopped watching and going to games, unlike most now "orioles fans". So, maybe it is throw up material. But, I love baseball, and the Orioles. That's just me :)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 13, 2014, 01:37:58 pm
I don't think the Royals really outplayed the Orioles....just some shitty luck on the O's part mostly.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Nigel Tufnel on October 13, 2014, 01:54:06 pm
In case they didn't show it on TV, Citizen Cope sang the National Anthem at Saturday's O's game.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 13, 2014, 02:07:25 pm
How do you not totally love this team, who plays like a true TEAM, has the best stadium in baseball, and really awesome fans.

KC players talking trash and the Orioles respond with class.

I hope they sweep the next 4 games.  F statistics.

this is pure throw-up material.


I grew up with the Orioles, and never stopped watching and going to games, unlike most now "orioles fans". So, maybe it is throw up material. But, I love baseball, and the Orioles. That's just me :)

fair enough. the overall fan base lost me when they started to head for the exits after the moose HR. it's playoff baseball, anything can happen.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 13, 2014, 02:19:02 pm
But yeah, for some reason in baseball the playoffs seem more variable and the longer they get the more variable.....but look at the NBA for example... the best teams seem to always make the finals.....

The world's most popular sport, soccer/football, the champion in every country but the US is determined by the regular season performance.whoever gets the most points at the end is the champion...that does seem a bit "fairer"....
The NFL playoffs are literally the worst. Single-elimination featuring 40% of the teams in the league is absolutely no way to determine "the best football team," unless you have an IQ sub-70. Its indefensible.

As much as I hate soccer, you're absolutely right. You can't argue the best and most deserving team didn't win the title: it takes every data point during the season into account.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 13, 2014, 03:10:49 pm
How do you not totally love this team, who plays like a true TEAM, has the best stadium in baseball, and really awesome fans.

KC players talking trash and the Orioles respond with class.

I hope they sweep the next 4 games.  F statistics.

this is pure throw-up material.


I grew up with the Orioles, and never stopped watching and going to games, unlike most now "orioles fans". So, maybe it is throw up material. But, I love baseball, and the Orioles. That's just me :)

fair enough. the overall fan base lost me when they started to head for the exits after the moose HR. it's playoff baseball, anything can happen.

I cannot tell you how angry I was and how much I wish Nick Markakis would have hit that ball to make them all sorry they left.

I did yell out "bye fair weathers!"

and was told to go f myself.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 13, 2014, 03:18:26 pm
I don't think the Royals really outplayed the Orioles....just some shitty luck on the O's part mostly.

I mostly agree with this.  The Royals have made more plays and gotten more timely hits.  Were they bloopers, broken bat, seeing-eye hits?  Sure.  But they were also home runs.  They've been slightly better in both games.  Which, by the way, were both tied in the ninth inning. 

So maybe they got on a roll from the wild card game and have just kept the momentum going.  Maybe winning the division isn't all it's cracked up to be.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 13, 2014, 03:53:09 pm
How do you not totally love this team, who plays like a true TEAM, has the best stadium in baseball, and really awesome fans.

KC players talking trash and the Orioles respond with class.

I hope they sweep the next 4 games.  F statistics.

this is pure throw-up material.


I grew up with the Orioles, and never stopped watching and going to games, unlike most now "orioles fans". So, maybe it is throw up material. But, I love baseball, and the Orioles. That's just me :)

fair enough. the overall fan base lost me when they started to head for the exits after the moose HR. it's playoff baseball, anything can happen.

I cannot tell you how angry I was and how much I wish Nick Markakis would have hit that ball to make them all sorry they left.

I did yell out "bye fair weathers!"

and was told to go f myself.

i was rooting for markakis there too, would have been incredible if he tied it up.

never understood the "leave early" mentality.  mid season, meaningless game that's running late and you got to work tomorrow? sure, head out early if you need to. but when fans "stick it" to their team by leaving early in a big game because they've lose hope, it's stupid.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 13, 2014, 04:34:23 pm
No game tonight.

Game 4 is Wednesday at 4 and Game 5 now scheduled for Thursday at 4.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 14, 2014, 10:31:29 am
And tonight at 8pm.

LET'S GO ORIOLES

(I think I may be the only optimistic fan left)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 14, 2014, 10:42:35 am
Before the series started, I was thinking I'd rather be the team with the three home games in the middle of the series.

To be the series winner, all you would have to do would be to split each of the two game series when you're away, and win the best of three series at home. Hence if you split the whole ALCS into three mini-series, you only have to win ONE of them.

Whereas if you're the team starting at home, you have to win TWO of the three miniseries (unless you sweep on the road, which is the least likely outcome of the three miniseries).

Still, I think the O's have decent shot at coming back and taking two of three in KC to at least return things to Baltimore. Maybe the extra day off will be a momentum stopper for the Royals.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 14, 2014, 11:16:25 am
I do too. And the O's are good on the road.

I just want the marathon on Saturday to be a celebration and not a sad 26.2 mile lap :)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 14, 2014, 11:17:08 am
But regardless, I will be out there in my orange and black and O's headband!

And then maybe taking a quick nap before heading to the stadium for game 7!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 14, 2014, 09:43:20 pm
I've never seen so much shit fall in all over the place for a team.  It's pretty amazing.

Nevertheless - one run won't get it done.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 15, 2014, 07:24:36 am
4 in a row is going to be tough.....

if kc wins, i was originally going to cheer for them...i don't think i can any longer, with the comments from dyson and guthries shirt in the post interview.  both seemed to lack class.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 15, 2014, 08:07:06 am
Well at least they got the Hardy boy locked up for the next three years.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2014, 08:51:38 am
4 in a row is going to be tough.....

if kc wins, i was originally going to cheer for them...i don't think i can any longer, with the comments from dyson and guthries shirt in the post interview.  both seemed to lack class.


AMEN. What a bunch of classless a-holes.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 15, 2014, 10:22:41 am
I've never seen so much shit fall in all over the place for a team.  It's pretty amazing.

Nevertheless - one run won't get it done.

A nice quote over at deadspin pretty much summing up the same thing.

"So Moustakas's catch on Jones's pop foul in the sixth stands out against the backdrop of sexily competent Royals baseball for being unexpected and spectacular, while still sitting squarely at the intersection of hustle and luck."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2014, 12:30:33 pm
huh?

That was a nice catch.. mainly cause he held on to the ball even though he went overboard! not sure what Guthrie did but nothing wrong with what Dyson said...he just answered the question politely...I think he said "no, sir.. and I don't think they do either"

That is so terrible???

I think some frustrated O's fans ought to look in the their team's mirror here....three hits in a must win game?

Come on now!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 15, 2014, 01:03:49 pm
huh?

That was a nice catch.. mainly cause he held on to the ball even though he went overboard! not sure what Guthrie did but nothing wrong with what Dyson said...he just answered the question politely...I think he said "no, sir.. and I don't think they do either"

That is so terrible???

I think some frustrated O's fans ought to look in the their team's mirror here....three hits in a must win game?

Come on now!

i don't know if you're response is to me at all, but the quote i through out was in response to shemp's post about some serious KC luck, and in no way in support of the baseless claims that KC is a bunch of classless a-holes.  the media will spin any story they can... what do you expect dyson to say?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 15, 2014, 01:09:59 pm
"both seemed to lack class"  ::)

its a team in the playoffs for the first time in 3 decades, on the verge of going undefeated into the damn world series. they have every right to be cocky about it. quit expecting athletes to be robots
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2014, 01:20:40 pm
Just google guthrie and look at his shirt.

Sorry, but these O's wouldn't do that.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2014, 01:20:56 pm
And I cheered for him when they announced him in the lineup in game 1!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: gaaaaaaaaah on October 15, 2014, 01:25:26 pm
who cares. its a game, its meant to be fun. the royals are having tons of it and thats probably why they keep winning

never understood fans bitching about this stuff
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 15, 2014, 01:28:13 pm
what i really don't understand is contract negotiations going on during the playoffs
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2014, 01:36:18 pm
who cares. its a game, its meant to be fun. the royals are having tons of it and thats probably why they keep winning

never understood fans bitching about this stuff

I just think you win with class and don't act like a bunch of assholes.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2014, 02:24:01 pm
who cares. its a game, its meant to be fun. the royals are having tons of it and thats probably why they keep winning

never understood fans bitching about this stuff

I just think you win with class and don't act like a bunch of assholes.

I'd worry more about your lack of offense...


Jeremy Guthrie @TheRealJGuts

My intention was not to anger O's fans or friends w/my shirt 2night.I apologize to those offended.Did not consider this reaction.Go Royals.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 15, 2014, 02:30:05 pm
No surprise that a guy who practices a fucked up religion like Mormonism (Guthrie) would wear a Chris Brown-inspired t-shirt.

who cares. its a game, its meant to be fun. the royals are having tons of it and thats probably why they keep winning

never understood fans bitching about this stuff

I just think you win with class and don't act like a bunch of assholes.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2014, 02:36:11 pm
Oh, I'm worried plenty.

No matter what though, I'm just going to enjoy being worried and being able to cheer for my favorite team in October. It hasn't happened that often in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 15, 2014, 02:51:38 pm
Jeremy Guthrie apologized to Orioles fans today for his choice of T-shirt following Game 3, saying he had no intention of being disrespectful.

"You'll never see the shirt again," Guthrie said in the interview room. "It was sent to me and it will be sent to the garbage."

Guthrie said a few former teammates told him that the shirt - which read "These O's Ain't Royal" - was a low blow.

"I was blinded to the fact that something I thought was fun was offensive," he said.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2014, 03:00:27 pm
I mean, the guy was traded for Jason Hammel and then for Jonathon Sanchez, so I'd have a pretty big chip on my shoulder too, but at least he apologized.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 15, 2014, 03:08:11 pm
I always liked him when he was an Oriole.  He seemed to be a good guy.  Didn't get much run support when he pitched, but the team was pretty bad when he was on it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 15, 2014, 03:22:00 pm
I cheered for him when he was introduced in game 1. Always liked him. Not so much now!

Got my presale info for extra world series tickets just now. Taking that as a good sign!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 15, 2014, 04:19:06 pm
O's crush the ball and get nothing.  Royals get not only an infield hit, but an infield hit that hits the bag.  Unreal.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 15, 2014, 04:28:03 pm
seriously...i give up.  game is clearly going to go the royals way yet again
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Rogue Riderhood on October 15, 2014, 04:38:44 pm
.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2014, 05:23:55 pm
I was going to say that broken bat double play might change the tide, but then that catch...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: stevewizzle on October 15, 2014, 06:07:25 pm
.

sports, sports, sports!

 :D
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 15, 2014, 07:06:33 pm
I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 15, 2014, 07:08:07 pm
welp....see you april 10th
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Rogue Riderhood on October 15, 2014, 07:12:07 pm
sports, sports, sports!

 :D
Not quite.  I felt a comment someone posted was unnecessary but decided I didn't give enough of a shit to argue with the person or post my opinion.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 15, 2014, 07:57:18 pm
I've never seen a series that was so even yet it wasn't.  KC made every play to be made.  And the Orioles' bats were non-existent.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 15, 2014, 09:57:18 pm
sports, sports, sports!

 :D
Not quite.  I felt a comment someone posted was unnecessary but decided I didn't give enough of a shit to argue with the person or post my opinion.   

I know, right?! Kateybug is out of control!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 16, 2014, 08:22:13 am
I read that the Royals are now "America's Team".

Talk badly about them now and you're a fucking communist.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 16, 2014, 08:34:44 am
I know, right?! Kateybug is out of control!
She's not the Miss P we deserve, but she's the Miss P we need.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on October 16, 2014, 09:48:28 am
I read that the Royals are now "America's Team".

Talk badly about them now and you're a fucking communist.
It's the Royals and America or the communist nazi socialist pig Giants or Cardinals.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 16, 2014, 09:52:05 am
i'm convinced that the Royals traveled to Stull, KS to make a deal with satan for them to win the world series
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 16, 2014, 10:20:54 am
Chris Davis will still be suspended on opening day next year. I think that's the big thing to come out of all of this.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 16, 2014, 10:44:01 am
I know, right?! Kateybug is out of control!
She's not the Miss P we deserve, but she's the Miss P we need.

Been an O's fan since I was born! I am definitely an out of control (now sports brokenhearted) fan. But, will be wearing orange and black as I run 26.2 around Baltimore on Saturday! And will be nice to say thanks to the Showalters during the Kids Peace 5K November 1st.

Sad it didn't go the Orioles way, but baseball can be cruel.

Back to going to shows :)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 16, 2014, 12:20:27 pm
i'm convinced that the Royals traveled to Stull, KS to make a deal with satan for them to win the world series


Whatever it takes.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 16, 2014, 12:49:05 pm
One GM's job I'm not looking forward to: Dan Duquette.

Obviously you Tender an offer to Cruz and watch that play out. 

Try like hell to sign Andrew Miller, but don't hold your breath.

I would not pick up Markakis' option for $17.5m and deal with the wrath of the fans, but who knows - maybe he'll take a longer deal for less?

I would also shop Davis and Weiters, but Davis' suspension and Weiters injury are going to make that hard.  Davis might be able to be signed long term (yet, should they?), but Weiters will test free agency for sure.  Better to try and get something for him before that. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 16, 2014, 01:17:05 pm
I don't think Weiters is going to be an Oriole next year.

Would love if they could keep Miller and Cruz.

We shall see!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 16, 2014, 01:18:45 pm
Markakis is the heart of the team and played well in the playoffs....I don't know much about contracts.. maybe he would take a new long term contract at a lesser rate than 17.5 million for the option year but they got to keep him
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 16, 2014, 03:36:51 pm
Markakis' option won't be picked up, but they'll agree on a lesser contract.  I  figure both Cruz and Miller are gone.  And I think Wieters gets dealt sometime next year - trade deadline maybe.  Not sure what happens to Davis.     
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on October 21, 2014, 11:54:07 am
complete bullshit : http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-orioles-buck-showalter-edged-for-sporting-news-al-manager-of-the-year-honors-by-one-vote-20141021-story.html
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 21, 2014, 12:30:20 pm
total bullshit.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 21, 2014, 01:11:22 pm
Yes, his peers are wrong and you two are right.

Interestingly, one person didn't vote...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 21, 2014, 01:35:23 pm
Ron Washington, getting busy with a crack ho.

Yes, his peers are wrong and you two are right.

Interestingly, one person didn't vote...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: James Ford on October 21, 2014, 01:41:45 pm

But seriously Sciosia was able to manufacture two more regular season wins than Buck, so he should rightfully win. Doesn't matter that they spend nearly 50% more to do it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 04, 2014, 03:54:48 pm
Dan (Miami)

The O's lost their leadoff man, cleanup hitter and will lose their best bullpen arm....yet their decision to pass in each case was correct. As a fan, how should I think about about this clear step back for 2015 when they were in the ALCS in 2014?

Klaw  (1:55 PM)

Smart. They played it all shrewdly, and maintain financial flexibility to go do something else, if not right away then later this winter (like the Ubaldo/Cruz deals, on which they went, well, one for two at least) or next offseason.

-----

I had not anticipated that they are freeing up dollars to go after one of the great pitchers available next off season.   That's another possibility.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 05, 2014, 11:08:03 am
I don't have Insider access but it appears Smackie's friend Keith Law is questioning both the signing of Cruz and the signing of Markakis.  Mostly due to length of contract I gather.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on December 05, 2014, 04:53:10 pm
miller to the yankees...

expected but....ugh
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 05, 2014, 08:25:26 pm
I don't have Insider access but it appears Smackie's friend Keith Law is questioning both the signing of Cruz and the signing of Markakis.  Mostly due to length of contract I gather.

Yes,  but he was more perplexed by the Braves move because it was contrary to every other move they've made this off season.

The M's have to overpay due to their lack of playoff appearances in the last decade.

In the end,  though,  he agrees that neither will be in baseball at the end of these contracts.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 07, 2014, 03:24:00 pm
@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Duquette wants to leave #Orioles, become
#BlueJays? prez/CEO. Some with club not opposed to his departure.
Angelos standing in way.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on December 07, 2014, 04:44:21 pm
more on that: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/blue-jays-eyeing-dan-duquette.html

since it would be considered a promotion, his contract that keeps in in bmore until 2018 doesn't matter.

orioles imploding
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 07, 2014, 05:43:45 pm
more on that: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/blue-jays-eyeing-dan-duquette.html

since it would be considered a promotion, his contract that keeps in in bmore until 2018 doesn't matter.

orioles imploding


Angelos: "There's no reason we'd be willing to transfer his presence to any other ballclub." #orioles
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Nigel Tufnel on December 07, 2014, 08:24:00 pm
more on that: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/blue-jays-eyeing-dan-duquette.html

since it would be considered a promotion, his contract that keeps in in bmore until 2018 doesn't matter.

orioles imploding


I don't think that's right.  Teams customarily let people out of contracts for promotions, but there's no rule that says they have to.  Ken Williams of the White Sox was also mentioned as a possibility, and the Sox have already said that they won't release him.  Sounds like the Orioles feel the same way.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 08, 2014, 01:11:01 pm
I don't think that's right.  Teams customarily let people out of contracts for promotions, but there's no rule that says they have to.  Ken Williams of the White Sox was also mentioned as a possibility, and the Sox have already said that they won't release him.  Sounds like the Orioles feel the same way.

This is correct.  And Angelos is a lawyer, petulant, hyper sensitive to appearances and generally known as a d!ck so I doubt he let's Duquette go on a free pass.

But it is funny, because I was talking with a friend last week about how different Duquette has been with the O's than he was with the Sox and the success he's enjoyed.  He deserves the promotion and I was wrong when I said he was the wrong guy for Baltimore.  The new Duquette has been impressive.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on December 08, 2014, 03:05:38 pm
I don't think that's right.  Teams customarily let people out of contracts for promotions, but there's no rule that says they have to.  Ken Williams of the White Sox was also mentioned as a possibility, and the Sox have already said that they won't release him.  Sounds like the Orioles feel the same way.

This is correct.  And Angelos is a lawyer, petulant, hyper sensitive to appearances and generally known as a d!ck so I doubt he let's Duquette go on a free pass.

But it is funny, because I was talking with a friend last week about how different Duquette has been with the O's than he was with the Sox and the success he's enjoyed.  He deserves the promotion and I was wrong when I said he was the wrong guy for Baltimore.  The new Duquette has been impressive.

I think they need to let him go if he wants to leave. But, I wonder WHY he wants to leave. It will suck for sure. Not much good news coming from the Orioles these past few weeks.

Did I tell you all I met Buck Showalter at the Kids Peace 5K? Super cool guy.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 16, 2014, 12:19:59 pm
Roch tweets from Orioles Christmas party:

Buck just told 105.7 The Fan that Chris Davis got approved "for what he got suspended for" #adderall
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 16, 2014, 01:51:23 pm
Roch tweets from Orioles Christmas party:

Buck just told 105.7 The Fan that Chris Davis got approved "for what he got suspended for" #adderall

He did.   But it was two season previous.  He lost that approval and admitted as such:

"I made a mistake taking Adderall.  I had permission in the past, but I don't now." - Chris Davis, Sept 12, 2014.

Or is Buck saying that he has been re-approved?  Because if so, this is becoming a joke.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 16, 2014, 02:35:14 pm
 Orioles manager Buck Showalter recently played golf with Chris Davis in Texas, and the first baseman revealed that he's received a therapeutic use exemption for Adderall for the 2015 season.

Major League Baseball suspended Davis for 25 games on Sept. 12 following a second failed test for the drug. Davis apparently had the exception with the Rangers, but was denied with the Orioles.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 16, 2014, 02:36:04 pm
Roch tweets from Orioles Christmas party:

Buck just told 105.7 The Fan that Chris Davis got approved "for what he got suspended for" #adderall

He did.   But it was two season previous.  He lost that approval and admitted as such:

"I made a mistake taking Adderall.  I had permission in the past, but I don't now." - Chris Davis, Sept 12, 2014.

Or is Buck saying that he has been re-approved?  Because if so, this is becoming a joke.

I think he's saying he now has a current, valid approval. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 16, 2014, 03:28:56 pm
Jesus.  Then I hope he hits 50 HR's again...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 16, 2014, 03:42:56 pm
Jesus.  Then I hope he hits 50 HR's again...
This would completely change around a lot of people's feelings on where the line is between therapeutic and preforming enhancing drugs.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 16, 2014, 03:48:53 pm
This would completely change around a lot of people's feelings on where the line is between therapeutic and preforming enhancing drugs.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: ggw on December 16, 2014, 03:51:12 pm
Are the Rockies and Mariners allowed to smoke dope yet?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 16, 2014, 04:00:48 pm
Are the Rockies and Mariners allowed to smoke dope yet?

The Supersonics deserve to return to Seattle.  Free Agent Bonanza!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 24, 2014, 01:18:02 pm
The Orioles sign Delmon Young,  pending physical.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 14, 2015, 05:17:09 pm
@ken_rosenthal Sources: #Orioles, #BlueJays have discussed compensation package that O?s would require for allowing GM Dan Duquette to become Jays CEO.

Apparently, the O's would like him to leave.

@ken_rosenthal Duquette under contract with #Orioles through 2018. As I?ve previously reported, some O?s  people want him to go. Uncomfortable situation.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2015, 05:20:39 pm
you could not be more right..sources are telling me he has a problem with BO....very un-comfortable to be around...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 14, 2015, 05:21:54 pm
you could not be more right..sources are telling me he has a problem with BO....very un-comfortable to be around...
Deathfromabove1979 plays baseball now? What?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on January 14, 2015, 05:24:36 pm
you could not be more right..sources are telling me he has a problem with BO....very un-comfortable to be around...
Deathfromabove1979 plays baseball now? What?

Death from above will never live this down....

BOOM!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 16, 2015, 05:46:13 pm
Chris Davis hits .196, gets suspended, and still gets a 16.5% raise.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2015, 05:47:18 pm
Chris Davis hits .196, gets suspended, and still gets a 16.5% raise.

Isn't arbitration great?!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 16, 2015, 05:55:02 pm
EDIT: Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 16, 2015, 06:13:22 pm
Dan Connolly of the Sun:

 Strike anyone else that Markakis was grouped w Rios, Hunter, Aoki, Rasmus & Ichiro in Nov. And his $44M will surpass total $ for all of em?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2015, 06:30:16 pm
Dan Connolly of the Sun:

 Strike anyone else that Markakis was grouped w Rios, Hunter, Aoki, Rasmus & Ichiro in Nov. And his $44M will surpass total $ for all of em?

I get the sentiment, but he's comparing only guaranteed money and using two guys who are yet unsigned as $0, which is disingenuous.

Rios is $23m ($11m this year, mutual option for $12.5 for next year)
Hunter is $10.5m
Aoki is $12.5m ($4m this year plus incentives,  team/mutual option for 2016 at $5m for a max of $12.5) 
Rasmus - his deal could be anywhere from $7.5m/YAA over 4 to $12.5m on a one year deal because he's such a wild card, but I think he'll be guaranteed something close to three years, $10m annually.
Ichiro - someone is going to give him $4-$5m.

So realistically, those guys will be $50-90m depending on options and what Rasmus signs for, but either way, still a bad deal for Atlanta.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 22, 2015, 02:57:41 pm
@ken_rosenthal Sources: #Orioles, #BlueJays have discussed compensation package that O?s would require for allowing GM Dan Duquette to become Jays CEO.

Apparently, the O's would like him to leave.

@ken_rosenthal Duquette under contract with #Orioles through 2018. As I?ve previously reported, some O?s  people want him to go. Uncomfortable situation.


O's trade Duquette for RHP Jeff Hoffman, or so the hot rumor goes.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 22, 2015, 04:22:18 pm
Some good O's news would be nice. I haven't been this depressed since the start of the 2012 season.

Anyone going to fanfest next weekend? I'm not going to the convention center, but I'll be in the dugout putting out some good baseball thoughts for the start of the season.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 22, 2015, 04:59:23 pm
O's trade Duquette for RHP Jeff Hoffman, or so the hot rumor goes.

The Blue Jays can't trade Hoffman now, per MLB rules, because a full year hasn't passed since he was drafted. However, he could be a player to be named later.

The Orioles apparently want more.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 23, 2015, 11:38:30 am
They should get more. This late in the off-season.

There's going to be a riot at fanfest next weekend.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 23, 2015, 01:29:51 pm
They should get more. This late in the off-season.

They should have handled this months ago and not let it get this late in the off-season.  The problem is Angelos is stubborn and is putting his pride ahead of the best interests of the team.

About those Orioles (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/54707/oops-about-those-orioles)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on January 23, 2015, 01:51:21 pm
yeah, i'm going to fanfest.  i'm unsure if i'm going to get season tickets again this year....it seems they have gotten rid of the 13 game plan, they only have 20 game plans now, and that is simply too many games for me.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 23, 2015, 01:51:44 pm
Stephen Brunt tells us the #BlueJays are about to walk away from the Dan Duquette drama:
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 23, 2015, 02:12:12 pm
Stephen Brunt tells us the #BlueJays are about to walk away from the Dan Duquette drama:

Great.  Exactly what you want - a disgruntled employee running your team.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 25, 2015, 04:45:28 pm
Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca, reported today that the Blue Jays have ended negotiations to acquire Duquette due to the Orioles' insistence on receiving three top prospects.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on January 26, 2015, 02:06:28 pm
blue jays clearly tampering
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 27, 2015, 12:41:15 pm
Is Chris Parmelee a major league right fielder?  I guess we'll find out.  He was a 1st round draft pick after all.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 27, 2015, 12:46:45 pm
Is Chris Parmelee a major league right fielder?  I guess we'll find out.  He was a 1st round draft pick after all.

Yes.  This is exactly like when the Twins gave up on Big Papi. He's the next big Papi.  /s

As an aside, he played baseball with my cousin at Chino and was pretty damn good in high school.  Just never turned the corner after a huge debut.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 28, 2015, 03:05:13 am
Travis Snyder to the O's.  Now that's a GM who's paying attention....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 28, 2015, 01:10:40 pm
Travis Snyder to the O's.  Now that's a GM who's paying attention....

Connolly:

My first thought: Snider is every bit as good as the free-agent outfielders who the Orioles have discussed in the past month, and he?s under club control for two seasons, if the Orioles want him that long. So it?s like signing a guy for $2.1 million in 2015 with an option (his final year of arbitration) in 2016. In those terms, it seems worth it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 28, 2015, 01:43:56 pm
He had a great season for Pittsburgh last year, but was pushed out of a crowded (and talented) outfield.  Injuries have plagued him, but a lot of that was blamed on the turf in Toronto.

Lefties do well in Baltimore and he will play hard (fans like K8 will love his effort).  If he stays healthy, he'll come close to Markakis #'s for MUCH less money and probably be better than Rasmus for a quarter of the price.

Still a long way from replacing Cruz's contribution though. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 28, 2015, 01:51:37 pm
I don't even think Cruz this year can replace Cruz's contribution from last year.  Lightning in a bottle.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on January 28, 2015, 01:53:10 pm
I don't even think Cruz this year can replace Cruz's contribution from last year. PEDs in a syringe.
FTFY
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 28, 2015, 02:01:10 pm
Lightning in a bottle.

Adderall?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 29, 2015, 12:17:17 pm
He had a great season for Pittsburgh last year, but was pushed out of a crowded (and talented) outfield.  Injuries have plagued him, but a lot of that was blamed on the turf in Toronto.

Lefties do well in Baltimore and he will play hard (fans like K8 will love his effort).  If he stays healthy, he'll come close to Markakis #'s for MUCH less money and probably be better than Rasmus for a quarter of the price.

Still a long way from replacing Cruz's contribution though. 

Good to hear!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 29, 2015, 12:18:22 pm
Anyone else heading to fanfest this Saturday? I will be at the clubhouse tour around 1ish.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on January 29, 2015, 03:51:46 pm
Anyone else heading to fanfest this Saturday? I will be at the clubhouse tour around 1ish.

Is it in Baltimore?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 30, 2015, 11:59:51 am
Yes. At the convention center. You need a ticket for the convention center part, but the clubhouse/locker room/dugout will be open for tours and you don't need a ticket for that part.

I'm a dork and like to stand where Buck stands and dream of a World Series Win...

I'm trail running for 4 hours in the am, but have my O's gear packed for the tour.

Honestly, since 2013, it's been a crazy unbearable madhouse in the convention center. I've only gone the last few years for the state of the orioles presser for season ticket holders, and then whoever was at the MASN booth first to meet.

My how winning changes things.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 02, 2015, 10:17:12 am
Fanfest was crazy crowded. I didn't even try for the convention center (as I had to rescue my parents from Carlisle, PA and was on the road from 5:30 - 1pm - separate story).

But, I did do the stadium tour and got some cool pictures.

And sent out good vibes for a winning season!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 03, 2015, 04:56:57 pm
Travis Snyder to the O's.  Now that's a GM who's paying attention....

Raymond (Baltimore)

Its a shame that this is even a real question: Which would you rather have as your 2015 RF, Markakis, Colby Rasmus or Travis Snider? SMH

David Schoenfield  (1:51 PM)

You know ... they're all kind of the same.
-----

Au contraire, Mr. Schoefield.

Markakis - 2015 - $11m, 16 - $11m, 17 - $11m, 18 - $11m
Rasmus - 2015 - $8m, 16 - FA
Snider -  2015 - $2.1m, 2016 - Arb (~$4m) - 2017 FA

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 03, 2015, 07:08:54 pm
Snider is also the youngest of the three.

As an aside, I hope everybody saved their Reimold t-shirts.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 18, 2015, 10:25:33 am
Signed Jayson Nix.  Close to signing Everth Cabrera.  Stockpiling utility infielders.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 18, 2015, 01:21:52 pm
Signed Jayson Nix.  Close to signing Everth Cabrera.  Stockpiling utility infielders.

Going for depth given the questions at 2B and the health question of Manny makes sense, but Nix is a career .221 hitter and was well south of the Mendoza line last season after stints with 3 teams last season.  He's nothing to get excited about.

Cabrera is a much better player - just take his keys away.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 18, 2015, 02:08:50 pm
Cabrera is a much better player - just take his keys away.

And his drugs - recreational and otherwise.  Would be the leadoff man they lack though.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 25, 2015, 06:56:27 pm
Nick Markakis on Orioles: 'Don't believe a word they say'

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2015/02/25/nick-markakis-orioles-neck-surgery-negotiations-braves/24015133/

Bitter much?  Wow.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on February 25, 2015, 08:37:40 pm
Well....I mean, they did release him because of his neck
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 25, 2015, 09:13:32 pm
Well....I mean, they did release him because of his neck

pretty sure John Schuerholz (sic) knows what he's doing


Its just bad policy to put that sort of thing out there to kind of justify it to the fans.....they should not have made those comments... The Red Sox are horrible in that department....I remember how they tarred and feathered Nomar on the way out..
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 26, 2015, 12:17:34 pm
From Roch:

'I'm surprised that it has become such a big story, considering that the local media ran quotes from Duquette about the club's concerns over Markakis' physical condition. Initially, Duquette alluded to issues without revealing the MRI results due to the HIPAA Law. I also was told over the winter that the Orioles didn't want to hurt his negotiations.

You actually could argue that the Orioles tried to do him a favor, but Markakis clearly has a different opinion.'
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2015, 12:26:05 pm
the media ALWAYS takes the ownership/management's side..

the player is always greedy...


let me ask you Orioles fan: Does Markakis strike you as a liar?

I mean the guy was the most straight up player I can remember.. no bullshit with the guy.. always played hard... never a problem with him anywhere...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 26, 2015, 12:28:21 pm
Nick Markakis needed to shut up. It only hurts him. They offered him a deal, he wanted more money, and he took it. Good for him. That's baseball.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 26, 2015, 12:28:53 pm
and uh.....and uh.....and uh....

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 26, 2015, 12:29:23 pm
Sorry, inside joke, I guess.

I like Nick Markakis, and it's sad he's not on the team anymore, but sometimes baseball breaks your heart a little.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: zilch-H〒h n ☣ ☢ ☠ on March 04, 2015, 06:07:35 pm
ok...can anyone give me advice on when single tickets go on sale for O's games

I only see stub hub?

the BoSox Vs O's game on the 24th and 25th don't look like they are onsale yet
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 04, 2015, 10:32:46 pm
ok...can anyone give me advice on when single tickets go on sale for O's games

I only see stub hub?

the BoSox Vs O's game on the 24th and 25th don't look like they are onsale yet


Season ticket holders get first dibs on OD and regular season.  Haven't gotten anything from the team yet.   They're unusually late this year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: zilch-H〒h n ☣ ☢ ☠ on March 05, 2015, 10:27:22 am
Yeah, I call the BO a few weeks back and he said "should be first week of March"
but he didn't give me a date which I thought was odd
Internet searches come up with zilch
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on March 06, 2015, 09:51:35 am
Opening day and single ticket sales for season ticket holders go on sale March 19.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 06, 2015, 10:48:41 pm
Opening day and single ticket sales for season ticket holders go on sale March 19.

From Roch:

Individual tickets for Orioles regular season games at Camden Yards will go on sale this Wednesday, March 11 at 10 a.m. It is recommended that fans purchase online.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on March 09, 2015, 11:30:22 am
Not opening day though. Opening day is March 19. For season ticket holders only.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 10, 2015, 11:46:10 am
From the Rumors Section:

O's checking on Howard?

You probably didn't notice -- and really, there was no reason for you to have done so -- but in Monday's game between the Philadelphia Phillies and the Batlimore Orioles, Ryan Howard had a pair of singles. So why was this noteworthy?

According to Jim Salisbury of CSN Philly, the Orioles were paying very close attention to Howard's performance as his sources say Baltimore is "keeping an eye on Howard this spring."

As Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe wrote over the weekend, Howard is certainly available via trade, but "his play has declined because of Achilles' issues and he's owed $60 million. The Phillies have tried to shop him, and are willing to take on most of the money, but there have been no takers. In a perfect world, the Phillies would use Darin Ruf at first base, but now he's slated to play left field with Howard at first."

Current Orioles first baseman Chris Davis is speaking out about how he isn't keen on re-signing with the team going forward. Meanwhile, Baltimore did have talks regarding Howard in December, and as Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reported at the time, they are one of the eight teams on the slugger's "pre-approved list for trades."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: zilch-H〒h n ☣ ☢ ☠ on March 11, 2015, 12:11:50 pm
FYI...tixs did go on sale today
get em while they are hot
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 24, 2015, 12:31:20 pm
Jimmy Paredes has been more than impressive this spring, but where are you going to put him?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 20, 2015, 07:23:32 am
This franchise never ceases to amaze me.  I take back my assessment that Johnson might not beat out Balfour next season.  Balfour almost certainly has a closer season for the record books next year.

Guess who got DFA'd this past weekend
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 20, 2015, 11:34:19 am
This franchise never ceases to amaze me.  I take back my assessment that Johnson might not beat out Balfour next season.  Balfour almost certainly has a closer season for the record books next year.

Guess who got DFA'd this past weekend

Johnson is not too far behind either -  in his last two appearances he's given up four runs, six hits, and two home runs.

At least Balfour can say he missed most of the spring because of his dads passing, but still, if Tampa is willing to eat $7m, that says A LOT.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 28, 2015, 03:09:23 pm
Tomorrow's game will be played at 2PM and will be closed to the public. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on April 28, 2015, 03:12:23 pm
so weird
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: zilch-H〒h n ☣ ☢ ☠ on April 28, 2015, 03:27:08 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDszdrUUUAAEfIP.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 28, 2015, 03:38:13 pm
Can someone tell me if that's ever happened before?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: ggw on April 28, 2015, 03:46:57 pm
The Expos played most games in an empty stadium for a few years.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 28, 2015, 05:07:53 pm
Can someone tell me if that's ever happened before?

Happens in international soccer all the time, but no, it's never been done intentionally in baseball.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 28, 2015, 06:53:19 pm
April 17, 1979: The Night Only 250 Fans Showed Up In Oakland (https://onlyagame.wbur.org/2015/04/25/oakland-athletics-mlb-lowest-attendance)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on April 28, 2015, 06:58:08 pm
Baltimored.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on April 28, 2015, 07:11:54 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0n9Dv6XnY
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 29, 2015, 01:33:43 pm
The game this afternoon is available for free on mlb.com
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: RatBastard on April 29, 2015, 01:37:15 pm
Can someone tell me if that's ever happened before?

Happens in international soccer all the time, but no, it's never been done intentionally in baseball.

I think the Op was asking about SPORTS!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 29, 2015, 01:45:55 pm
I think the Op was asking about SPORTS!
Best RatBastard post ever. Fuck soccer.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: ggw on April 29, 2015, 04:31:27 pm
3:49 p.m.

The Orioles just proceeded with another baseball tradition: announcing the attendance. For the first time in major league history it went, "Today's official paid attendance is zero."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Justin Tonation on April 29, 2015, 08:06:30 pm
Meanwhile, the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra played a free concert out in the open.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 19, 2015, 08:43:27 pm
Gotta say I was totally wrong about Cruz.  The HRs keep coming, even in Seattle.

Shouldn't spend too much time in RF however.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 20, 2015, 12:30:40 pm
Gotta say I was totally wrong about Cruz.  The HRs keep coming, even in Seattle.

Me too, but he didn't sign a one year deal with Seattle like he did in Baltimore.

I think most people expected a decent season out him this year (though right now he's better than I expected), and maybe even next year.  Who has the last laugh in 2017-18 if Seattle doesn't make the playoffs in 2015 or 2016?   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on May 20, 2015, 12:56:26 pm
Gotta say I was totally wrong about Cruz.  The HRs keep coming, even in Seattle.

Me too, but he didn't sign a one year deal with Seattle like he did in Baltimore.

I think most people expected a decent season out him this year (though right now he's better than I expected), and maybe even next year.  Who has the last laugh in 2017-18 if Seattle doesn't make the playoffs in 2015 or 2016?   

But what if the Orioles fail to make the playoffs in 2015 and 2016 (and 2017 and 2018), whereas the one year they had him, they did make the playoffs?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 20, 2015, 02:53:43 pm
"You've got to take the fourth year, man, that's security," Jones said. "Three years or four years? I mean, come on. You've got to take the fourth year."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 20, 2015, 04:40:29 pm
But what if the Orioles fail to make the playoffs in 2015 and 2016 (and 2017 and 2018), whereas the one year they had him, they did make the playoffs?

Well, 2012 puts a little wrinkle in that theory, whereas Seattle hasn't made the playoffs in 15 years...but sure.

And I don't disagree with Jones, but it also shows how desperate Seattle was for a bat, whereas Baltimore was both not as desperate and without a GM at the time.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on June 16, 2015, 08:06:20 pm
Baltimore is on a roll...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 16, 2015, 10:58:57 pm
masn teams  35
opponents      7

good night for the locals

love seeing wieters back

and reimold

could parmelee be what this team wanted snider to be?
   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on June 17, 2015, 07:58:27 am
masn teams  35
opponents      7

good night for the locals

love seeing wieters back

and reimold

could parmalee be what this team wanted snider to be?
   

Last night the Nats an O's had more runs than that time when Sweetcell's twins both had the stomach flu.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 17, 2015, 11:33:40 am
love seeing wieters back

I would deal him before the trade deadline.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on June 17, 2015, 07:42:12 pm
I think my next game will be 6/27 versus the Indians.  I am taking my fiance to her first game, and it is Buck Showalter Garden Gnome night for the first 25,000 fans... So it should be a fun time!  Is anyone else going to that one?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: jeffml on June 17, 2015, 10:25:28 pm
Wife and I will be there


I think my next game will be 6/27 versus the Indians.  I am taking my fiance to her first game, and it is Buck Showalter Garden Gnome night for the first 25,000 fans... So it should be a fun time!  Is anyone else going to that one?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 18, 2015, 09:26:42 am
I think my next game will be 6/27 versus the Indians.  I am taking my fiance to her first game, and it is Buck Showalter Garden Gnome night for the first 25,000 fans... So it should be a fun time!  Is anyone else going to that one?

I had tickets, but can't go. I am going on the 26th and 28th though. If you don't have tickets for the 27th yet, get them sooner rather than later and get there early if you want a gnome. That game is almost sold out, I think.

And get your fiance a certificate at fan assistance for first game!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on June 18, 2015, 09:37:24 am
Thanks for the heads up, I will grab tickets tomorrow!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 18, 2015, 12:05:42 pm
love seeing wieters back

I would deal him before the trade deadline.

And Chen too. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-schmuck-column-0618-20150617-column.html)    Welcome to Scott Boras' world....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 18, 2015, 01:30:33 pm
love seeing wieters back

I would deal him before the trade deadline.

And Chen too. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-schmuck-column-0618-20150617-column.html)    Welcome to Scott Boras' world....

Fuck that guy.  Buck's gnome could kick his ass.

I don't think anyone believes either one of those guys will be Orioles next year regardless.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: jeffml on June 28, 2015, 11:27:29 pm
Got my first place manager-Buck Showalter garden gnome!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 29, 2015, 07:45:53 am
I missed out on the gnome, but went Friday and to the Sunday afternoon game. Both were fantastic.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 06, 2015, 09:08:45 am
That's some bad luck for Chris Davis the last 2 days.

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5599c398/turbine/bs-sp-orioles-notebook-0706-20150705-001/900/900x506)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 06, 2015, 11:19:31 am
Yeah, no kidding!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on July 06, 2015, 11:47:21 am
I missed out on the gnome, but went Friday and to the Sunday afternoon game. Both were fantastic.
I missed out as well... But I am thinking about going to the upcoming Sunday game - Hawaiian shirt giveaway!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 06, 2015, 03:05:53 pm
I missed out on the gnome, but went Friday and to the Sunday afternoon game. Both were fantastic.
I missed out as well... But I am thinking about going to the upcoming Sunday game - Hawaiian shirt giveaway!

You are becoming quite the O's fan! I think my next giveaway is Hardy jersey night. With all my cousins! We're taking over a section.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 06, 2015, 04:40:55 pm
I'll be at Floppy Hat Friday.  Might not get there early enough to get one though.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 06, 2015, 05:00:51 pm
That's some bad luck for Chris Davis the last 2 days.

I'm sure there's a prescription for that too.....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on July 08, 2015, 08:22:40 pm
Got my first place manager-Buck Showalter garden gnome!

It seems that YOU jinxed them.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 09, 2015, 07:37:55 pm
Delmon Young Released by Orioles.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on July 09, 2015, 09:18:27 pm
Delmon Young Released by Orioles.
The Tigers all time postseason home run leader. Can he play some first base for a few weeks?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 10, 2015, 12:00:32 pm
The Tigers all time postseason home run leader. Can he play some first base for a few weeks?

The O's tried to deal him, but the league knew the O's have a roster spot crunch coming up, so that was a no-go.  He'll get picked up for sure, though has zero career games at 1B....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 27, 2015, 04:50:43 pm
The hot scuttlebutt right now is Justin Upton to the O's for a pitcher...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 28, 2015, 09:23:43 am
Probably Gausman. Hope it isn't.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on July 28, 2015, 10:08:28 am
Probably Gausman. Hope it isn't.

That would be stupid of them. How about Norris?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 28, 2015, 01:25:47 pm
Probably Gausman. Hope it isn't.

If it is, then the O's would likely ask for Cashner or Ross in return as well.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 28, 2015, 03:49:35 pm
that's just the rumor I heard last week. That they might be up for trading him. Although with how well he pitched last night, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 28, 2015, 05:20:20 pm
With Harvey and Bundy injured their options are limited.  But I would be surprised if they dealt Gausman.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2015, 10:53:48 am
Parra
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2015, 02:39:02 pm
That would be stupid of them. How about Norris?

DFA'd today....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2015, 04:29:01 pm
That would be stupid of them. How about Norris?

DFA'd today....


How about Tommy Hunter?  Junior Lake to O's.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 03, 2015, 11:07:15 am
Bye Norris and Hunter.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 07, 2015, 12:42:43 pm
(http://sportsnaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/trout.gif)

Mike Trout turns 24 today and the Orioles are in Anaheim so I thought we should wish him a happy birthday!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 09, 2015, 04:45:01 pm
I was watching when Gary Thorne made his blooper.  Had to play it over a few times.

 http://www.barstoolsports.com/dmv/i-cant-stop-laughing-at-gary-thorne-calling-albert-pujols-retarded/
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 11, 2015, 08:33:21 am
Did anyone else watch the Inside MLB special on Showalter? So good. I heart him.

Anyone headed to the Yard this weekend? I will be there Friday and Saturday.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 13, 2015, 05:51:27 pm
Orioles Fans Sure Could Use a Hug (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/61678/anyone-catch-wednesdays-os-game-its-been-two-brutal-weeks-for-bmore)

So could Smackie, truthfully.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 15, 2015, 09:41:26 pm
Did anyone else watch the Inside MLB special on Showalter? So good. I heart him.

Anyone headed to the Yard this weekend? I will be there Friday and Saturday.

2 pretty boring games, huh?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 15, 2015, 09:49:53 pm
Orioles Fans Sure Could Use a Hug (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/61678/anyone-catch-wednesdays-os-game-its-been-two-brutal-weeks-for-bmore)

So could Smackie, truthfully.

Who's Eddie Matz anyway? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 17, 2015, 08:59:24 am
Did anyone else watch the Inside MLB special on Showalter? So good. I heart him.

Anyone headed to the Yard this weekend? I will be there Friday and Saturday.

2 pretty boring games, huh?

Very boring!

And just like that they're right back in it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 17, 2015, 03:39:55 pm
http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2015/08/17/orioles-plan-major-upgrades-for-camden-yards.html?ana=twt

'In addition, the Orioles and Populous are considering creating an open concourse on the first level by tearing out sections of seats, and the concession stands and restrooms behind them, to create a large walk-through area with views to the field, Angelos said.'

I hope that one comes to fruition.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 18, 2015, 11:02:56 am
I do too. I think it's actually the only thing wrong with the stadium.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on August 23, 2015, 06:06:01 pm
Well who woulda think the O's would throw away the whole season in one series against the Twins?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 24, 2015, 07:11:00 am
So awful.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on August 24, 2015, 12:18:12 pm
Would not surprise me if they rattled off a nice win streak right now.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the bleeding continue,  either.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 24, 2015, 12:29:34 pm
FRIDAY:

MIN 4
BAL 3

TOR 9
ANA 2

SATURDAY

MIN 3
BAL 2

TOR 15
ANA 3

SUNDAY

MIN 4
BAL 3

TOR 12
ANA 5

Wanna trade?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 24, 2015, 01:15:36 pm
The losses hurt more when the games are winnable
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on August 24, 2015, 02:13:43 pm
oh well, maybe next year
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 25, 2015, 08:22:26 am
I'm depressed.

But, last year was their year and they couldn't get it together in the ALCS.

We'll always have game 2 of the ALDS.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on August 25, 2015, 08:59:09 am
We'll always have game 2 of the ALDS.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/85553dedcfe7eda134313d26896e4e36/tumblr_n2nzzktjcl1rzik3go1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 31, 2015, 08:44:47 pm
It's mind-boggling how bad this team is right now.  It's a very funky funk.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 31, 2015, 08:51:41 pm
It's mind-boggling how bad this team is right now.  It's a very funky funk.

Is this about the Orioles?  Or the Angels? Or the Nats? 

Because that description could apply to all three at the moment.  The descents have been swift and painful to watch....

At least the Orioles were right about Jake Arrieta.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 01, 2015, 08:17:20 am
Sure - kick a team when they're down.  He got more than enough chances to prove himself in Baltimore.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 01, 2015, 09:03:20 am
Is this about the Orioles?  Or the Angels? Or the Nats? 

Because that description could apply to all three at the moment.  The descents have been swift and painful to watch....
Shaping up to be a disappointing season for all the MLB commentators on here.  :(
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 01, 2015, 10:06:13 am
Is this about the Orioles?  Or the Angels? Or the Nats? 

Because that description could apply to all three at the moment.  The descents have been swift and painful to watch....
Shaping up to be a disappointing season for all the MLB commentators on here.  :(

Finally, sweetcell has a reason to start talking baseball.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 01, 2015, 10:10:31 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKNF1J6wbRk
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 02, 2015, 07:10:44 am
September 6, 2012 - Cal Ripken Statue night - the night I knew the Orioles were going to the playoffs.

September 1, 2015 - Cal Ripken 2131 celebration night (and my birthday) - the night I knew the Orioles season was over.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on September 02, 2015, 10:48:33 am
The team seems like they are going to finish their season just like Cal finished his career.  Sad.

Lots to do this offseason.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on September 13, 2015, 11:35:29 am
One of those weird stats I'll never understand as statistically,  he's having a horrible season:

ELIAS: When J.J. Hardy has played in games this season, the Orioles are 53-44. When he's been out of the lineup: 15-29.

https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/643082548051116033
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 13, 2015, 11:39:18 am
One of those weird stats I'll never understand as statistically,  he's having a horrible season:

ELIAS: When J.J. Hardy has played in games this season, the Orioles are 53-44. When he's been out of the lineup: 15-29.

https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/643082548051116033

Intangibles.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 13, 2015, 12:18:07 pm
One of those weird stats I'll never understand as statistically,  he's having a horrible season:

ELIAS: When J.J. Hardy has played in games this season, the Orioles are 53-44. When he's been out of the lineup: 15-29.

https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/643082548051116033

What's their record when Ryan Flaherty starts vs not-starts?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 14, 2015, 07:47:28 am
Well at least Friday's game was super exciting!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 15, 2015, 09:30:38 pm
I can't beiieve Adam Loewen is back in the Major Leagues. As a pitcher, again.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 16, 2015, 11:36:15 am
That's so crazy!

Last night was fun, but I'm so tired today.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 25, 2015, 10:35:53 am
Here we go again....

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/baltimore-orioles-management-tension-buck-showalter-dan-duquette-relationship-092415
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on November 13, 2015, 03:52:50 pm
Wow.  Weiters accepted his Qualifying Offer - $15+million for one year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on November 13, 2015, 04:02:00 pm
Wow.  Weiters accepted his Qualifying Offer - $15+million for one year.

Isn't he the 1st to do so?  Not sure what his market was.  He did only play 75 games last year.  He needs to prove he's healthy before he gets a Long term deal I think.   

Oh, and it's 'i' before 'e'.   ;D

Ah, Rasmus was #1.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on November 13, 2015, 04:05:48 pm
Wow.  Weiters accepted his Qualifying Offer - $15+million for one year.

That sucks.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on November 13, 2015, 04:54:27 pm
Wow.  Weiters accepted his Qualifying Offer - $15+million for one year.

That sucks.

Really?  You had a better plan I guess. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on November 13, 2015, 07:06:42 pm
Wow.  Weiters accepted his Qualifying Offer - $15+million for one year.

That sucks.

Really?  You had a better plan I guess. 

With limited cash available and numerous holes to fill, filling the catcher position with an injury prone catcher wouldn't have been my first choice.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on November 13, 2015, 07:19:52 pm
Wow.  Weiters accepted his Qualifying Offer - $15+million for one year.

That sucks.

Really?  You had a better plan I guess. 

With limited cash available and numerous holes to fill, filling the catcher position with an injury prone catcher wouldn't have been my first choice.

It's a big number but it's only one year.  I don't think the other options at that position were very strong.  And I'm not totally sold on the 'limited cash' angle.  Wieters will get the money that won't go to the Nats.  Plus they still have $5M of the $20M to spend. 

Duquette:

"I don't think it impacts our desire or our ability to re-sign Chris Davis," said Duquette, who's in New York to watch third baseman Manny Machado receive his Gold Glove.
"I will say this, It's the shortest and quickest negotiation I've ever had with Matt's agent."

That's a funny quote.  Boras is a dick.  He makes his clients a ton of money.  But he's still a dick. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on November 15, 2015, 10:11:15 pm
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"I will say this, It's the shortest and quickest negotiation I've ever had with Matt's agent."

That's a gem of a quote.

 Bowden listed Anaheim as his likely destination and I immediately thought "No way they negotiate with Bora."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 01, 2015, 10:44:55 pm
Trumbo for Clevenger
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 02, 2015, 01:02:23 am
Trumbo for Clevenger

This means 2 things:

DiPoto REALLY hates Trumbo.

And the Orioles are giving up on Davis.

It's a good deal for the O's though - he's an upgrade to Clevenger and he should so well in the shoebox that is Camden.  His defense will frustrate you as will his inability to take a walk, but he can hit for power and knock guys in.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 02, 2015, 09:09:18 am
Always good to have a backup plan.  Giving up Clevenger isn't that big of a deal.  Plus reports are the O's will be getting another player.  That really validates your first point.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on December 02, 2015, 12:27:29 pm
I'm not ready to count out davis yet.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 03, 2015, 01:25:36 am
Good lord, go get Pedro Alvarez right now!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 06, 2015, 11:51:08 am
Looks like my t-shirt can be worn for a few more years...

(http://appmanager.s3.amazonaws.com/images/store/products/343/show/O'Day_Shirt.jpg?1409844308)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 09, 2015, 01:12:29 pm
7 year $150M offer for Davis - will he take it or leave it?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2015, 02:48:52 pm
7 year $150M offer for Davis - will he take it or leave it?

The fact that this was leaked in a deal with one of the tightest clubs in baseball and Scott Boras is involved means he's playing games.

If I'm the O's, I don't quell or deny the leak though because it is good PR for a team that has not been known to splash the cash.  Even if they don't sign him, people will think they did all they could.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 09, 2015, 02:49:34 pm
Looks like my t-shirt can be worn for a few more years...

I'm still amazed that the Angels let him go in the Rule 5 Draft.  What a career he's had...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 09, 2015, 11:27:07 pm
From Roch:

The Orioles' offer for Davis is worth approximately $150 million, as I reported last night.

"I didn't put that number out, OK?" Duquette said. "We've had a dialogue going to try to sign this player for quite a while. That's been clear to everyone."

Having the terms made public "doesn't bother me," Duquette said, "but it didn't come from the club."
Boras disputed the figures earlier today while meeting with reporters.

"Interesting," Duquette said. "I'm sure it will all come out in the wash."

I'd let him walk at this point.  Plenty of other ways to use the money.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 10, 2015, 02:07:33 am
Haha, perfect.  Just as I laid it out...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on December 10, 2015, 10:05:57 am
I would let him go...once he is not authorized for that special drug exemption he is toast.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 10, 2015, 10:56:48 am
I would let him go...once he is not authorized for that special drug exemption he is toast.

Up to $168M now.  Enough already.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on December 10, 2015, 12:41:41 pm
I would let him go...once he is not authorized for that special drug exemption he is toast.

Up to $168M now.  Enough already.

Agreed. They made a good offer, it's an amazing offer, he doesn't like it, goodbye. Roch is saying Rosenthal may have been fed that info by Boras and that the O's offer is still 150.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 10, 2015, 01:59:55 pm
Up to $168M now.  Enough already.

That's the Boras game.  They did the right thing by pulling the offer and pretending to move on.  It's working on all of you....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 10, 2015, 02:04:10 pm
How is it working if he no longer has an offer?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on December 10, 2015, 02:08:20 pm
How is it working if he no longer has an offer?
Because they don't really want to sign him long term, but they don't want a fan backlash over not doing so. It's working, because the newly created narrative (i. e. Baltimore tried to resign him at a large figure and it was rejected) makes him look greedy and diminishes him in the eyes of fans, thereby circumventing any backlash.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 10, 2015, 02:17:44 pm
How is it working if he no longer has an offer?

See: Mark Teixeira
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on December 10, 2015, 03:18:58 pm
Up to $168M now.  Enough already.

That's the Boras game.  They did the right thing by pulling the offer and pretending to move on.  It's working on all of you....

That's fine with me.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 10, 2015, 04:33:37 pm
Call me naive, but I do think they wanted to sign him long term, but had a certain number in mind.  Who's to say there is another team willing to give Boras the number he wants?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 11, 2015, 11:19:40 am
http://deadspin.com/the-orioles-are-done-talking-to-chris-davis-for-now-1747504930
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 11, 2015, 07:08:58 pm
This could seal the deal....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/baltimore-restaurant-offers-chris-davis-free-crab-cakes-for-life-173631355.html
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 23, 2015, 03:35:15 pm
The Angels have claimed infielder Rey Navarro off waivers from the Orioles. 

All glove,  no stick?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on January 01, 2016, 03:32:24 pm
We spent Xmas in St John.

Our next to last day, I hear the voice of a native behind me requesting that I come back to him. I assumed it was somebody trying to scam me for a buck, like on the previous day.

I turn around to see a tall, solidly built, uniformed, middle age guy, so my next though was he was law enforcement and what the heck am I in trouble for.

He starts questioning me...asks where I'm from, asks about the Orioles hat I'm wearing, etc. His earring and friendly tone makes me thing maybe he's not law enforcement.

He then introduces himself as Elrod Hendricks Jr.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 14, 2016, 01:20:23 pm
I missed that story, Rhett.  Pretty cool....

In other news:

The Orioles and Mark Trumbo, who was acquired last month in a trade with Seattle, avoided arbitration by agreeing to a $9.15 million deal. If you're keeping score at home, that's $12.85 million less than the annual value of the deal that the O's offered to Chris Davis, whom Trumbo may end up replacing at first base.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 15, 2016, 05:02:59 pm
Yoenis Cespedes debating between a 5-year, $90m deal with Baltimore, or a one year deal with the Mets.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 15, 2016, 05:24:14 pm
Yoenis Cespedes debating between a 5-year, $90m deal with Baltimore, or a one year deal with the Mets.

He probably wants an out, which he won't get.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 16, 2016, 10:26:52 am
Davis gets 7 years $161M with full no-trade and no opt-out.  It'll be interesting to see how he is received this year.

Looks like DH duty for Trumbo.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 16, 2016, 01:08:18 pm
Way to hold your line and tell Boras who's boss.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 16, 2016, 01:45:32 pm
Way to hold your line and tell Boras who's boss.

Eh, what's an extra $1.5M per year?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 16, 2016, 09:35:46 pm
According to Buster Olney, the Orioles have deferred a total of $42 million dollars of the contract. What that actually means is that the O's will pay Davis $17 million per year for the seven contracted years. Each year, $6 million is deferred. So instead of the $161 million over seven years, the fact is that over the next seven years the O's will be paying Davis $119 million.

The money will come due eventually, with Davis structured to receive a $3.5 million payment each year from 2023-32, with an additional $1.4 million coming each year from 2033-37. That is an interest-free deferral, which is actually a pretty big victory for the Orioles.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 26, 2016, 05:44:22 pm

Efron Navarro

All currently on the Angels 40 man roster and one is expected to play in Left Field each night.  This after the Angels posted the worst production in left filed in like 30 years...


Orioles acquire one of the underwhelming options for Left Field in Anaheim for cash considerations.  I'm hoping it was for international cash availability...

Classic AAAA player.  Too good for Triple AAA, could never perform in the majors to earn a job that was available to him often - good line drive hitter though.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on January 26, 2016, 08:30:50 pm
Bobby Bonilla
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 04, 2016, 02:32:29 pm
Sources: #orioles have traded minor league pitcher JC Cosme to #padres for Odrisamer Despaigne
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 04, 2016, 05:51:53 pm
Sources: #orioles have traded minor league pitcher JC Cosme to #padres for Odrisamer Despaigne

Also known as the guy who broke Werth's wrist.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 05, 2016, 11:27:41 am
And as Roch says - You can spell "San Diego Padres" using the letters in his name and still have a few left over.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 09, 2016, 03:01:15 pm
My 13 game mini-plan

2014 - $418
2015 - $522
2016 - $680
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 09, 2016, 03:09:12 pm
Ouch. 

But it did buy you 7 more years of Chris Davis.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 09, 2016, 03:10:46 pm
My 13 game mini-plan

2014 - $418
2015 - $522
2016 - $680
I'm guessing that is for 2 seats?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 09, 2016, 03:13:51 pm
My 13 game mini-plan

2014 - $418
2015 - $522
2016 - $680
I'm guessing that is for 2 seats?

Yeah - upper box behind the plate - 3rd row
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 10, 2016, 08:24:36 am
My plan went up about 60 bucks. Even with the price increase, my tickets are still at least 10 dollars cheaper than every other stadium I've been to in the US.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 10, 2016, 09:15:15 am
They claim to be the 9th most affordable experience in Major League Baseball and across all major professional sports.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 10, 2016, 12:02:23 pm
I believe they are. We have upper box seats in the first row. The season ticket price is now around 23/ticket. I haven't looked up the single game price for those seats. My guess is they are around 27. I have been to Wrigley, Fenway, Petco, White Sox, Cleveland, Nationals, Seattle, and Pittsburgh, and they were all at least 35/ticket for comparable seats. And my Cleveland seat ended up being obstructed view and I moved.

There are Ollie bargain nights where tickets are 10 dollars. What other major sporting league has a 10 dollar ticket? Maybe the Wizards?

You can still sit in the front row at Camden Yards for around 50/ticket. In other stadiums, that seat will be at least 250 bucks.

So, go or don't go. But I don't mind paying the money for the best stadium in baseball.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 12:04:32 pm
yes, its a good deal....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on February 10, 2016, 12:19:20 pm
The Orioles are my team, but i've found that individual game ticket prices are much, much better for the Nationals than for the Orioles when going through Stubhub or Seatgeek. Plus, the fact that I live in Virginia makes it an easy choice.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 10, 2016, 12:35:46 pm
I've had my plan since 1988 - when my ticket was $8.  I know increased prices are a given.  I'll be renewing again.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 10, 2016, 02:18:16 pm
Well all of your forking out is paying dividends....?

Talks between the Orioles and free agent pitcher Yovani Gallardo are nearing conclusion (3-year deal).  The O's would sacrifice a first round draft choice to the Rangers.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 10, 2016, 02:31:32 pm
The Orioles are my team, but i've found that individual game ticket prices are much, much better for the Nationals than for the Orioles when going through Stubhub or Seatgeek. Plus, the fact that I live in Virginia makes it an easy choice.

that is I am sure true.. but the experience of going to Camden Yards is just so much better.... although for Julian I'm sure its a non-starter...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 02:32:20 pm
although for Julian I'm sure its a non-starter...
I've been before. I'm going again in May when the Tigers are in town.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 10, 2016, 03:37:00 pm
I did not have a good experience at Nationals Park.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 04:14:03 pm
although for Julian I'm sure its a non-starter...
I've been before. I'm going again in May when the Tigers are in town.
Actually relevant to this: does anyone on here want to go to one of these with me (preferably the Friday or Saturday game)? This could be your big opportunity to enjoy some Julian face time!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 10, 2016, 05:36:06 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/4vSv4Tc1nnVBe/giphy.gif)

The facial hair might need to go.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: excontradiction on February 10, 2016, 06:30:08 pm
Nuke LaFacialHair, amirite?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 10, 2016, 06:42:01 pm
Well all of your forking out is paying dividends....?

Talks between the Orioles and free agent pitcher Yovani Gallardo are nearing conclusion (3-year deal).  The O's would sacrifice a first round draft choice to the Rangers.

They might grab Fowler also.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Got Haggis? on February 10, 2016, 06:58:36 pm
i'm not getting a plan this year, just buying tickets whenever i feel like it.  sucks no opening day, but oh well
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 10, 2016, 08:41:46 pm
although for Julian I'm sure its a non-starter...
I've been before. I'm going again in May when the Tigers are in town.
Actually relevant to this: does anyone on here want to go to one of these with me (preferably the Friday or Saturday game)? This could be your big opportunity to enjoy some Julian face time!

I have tickets for Friday night but I don't think I could pass your BMI test.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 10, 2016, 08:53:34 pm
although for Julian I'm sure its a non-starter...
I've been before. I'm going again in May when the Tigers are in town.
Actually relevant to this: does anyone on here want to go to one of these with me (preferably the Friday or Saturday game)? This could be your big opportunity to enjoy some Julian face time!

I have tickets for Friday night but I don't think I could pass your BMI test.
GET OFF MY FUCKING LAWN.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on February 10, 2016, 10:30:30 pm
although for Julian I'm sure its a non-starter...
I've been before. I'm going again in May when the Tigers are in town.
Actually relevant to this: does anyone on here want to go to one of these with me (preferably the Friday or Saturday game)? This could be your big opportunity to enjoy some Julian face time!

I have tickets for Friday night but I don't think I could pass your BMI test.

I've met quite a few boardies over the years, and i don't think any of us could pass that BMI test, other than Vansmack.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: excontradiction on February 10, 2016, 10:46:01 pm
Ahem.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on February 10, 2016, 10:58:36 pm
Ahem.

Have we met?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 19, 2016, 10:55:31 am
The Natty Boh Bar at Camden Yards is no more.  But you can still get  the beer.  (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-hold-your-boh-s-national-bohemian-will-still-be-served-at-camden-yards-in-2016-20160219-story.html)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 19, 2016, 01:28:11 pm
although for Julian I'm sure its a non-starter...
I've been before. I'm going again in May when the Tigers are in town.
Actually relevant to this: does anyone on here want to go to one of these with me (preferably the Friday or Saturday game)? This could be your big opportunity to enjoy some Julian face time!

I have tickets for Friday night but I don't think I could pass your BMI test.

I've met quite a few boardies over the years, and i don't think any of us could pass that BMI test, other than Vansmack.

I could.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 20, 2016, 08:00:48 pm
Well all of your forking out is paying dividends....?

Talks between the Orioles and free agent pitcher Yovani Gallardo are nearing conclusion (3-year deal).  The O's would sacrifice a first round draft choice to the Rangers.

3 years,  $35 million.

Sacrifice the #14 pick in the draft.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 20, 2016, 10:08:14 pm
Well all of your forking out is paying dividends....?

Talks between the Orioles and free agent pitcher Yovani Gallardo are nearing conclusion (3-year deal).  The O's would sacrifice a first round draft choice to the Rangers.

3 years,  $35 million.

Sacrifice the #14 pick in the draft.

Now get Fowler.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on February 20, 2016, 10:58:37 pm
Get Fowler and I'll feel better about this year.  Not quite good but  better.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 20, 2016, 11:14:29 pm
Get Fowler and I'll feel better about this year.  Not quite good but  better.

I'll be good+  with Fowler.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 20, 2016, 11:44:02 pm
Get Fowler and I'll feel better about this year.  Not quite good but  better.

I'll be good+  with Fowler.

optimist
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 20, 2016, 11:59:13 pm
Get Fowler and I'll feel better about this year.  Not quite good but  better.

I'll be good+  with Fowler.

optimist

There's a first time for everything.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 23, 2016, 01:41:14 pm
Hearing the Gallardo deal maybe unraveling due to results of his physical.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 23, 2016, 03:15:05 pm
Hearing the Gallardo deal maybe unraveling due to results of his physical.

You heard right.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 23, 2016, 03:16:58 pm
man do the Orioles have the toughest physicals in the biz?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 23, 2016, 03:56:31 pm
man do the Orioles have the toughest physicals in the biz?

Think Lincecum would pass?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 23, 2016, 04:21:01 pm
Think Lincecum would pass?

(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/4/5/6/2/3/webimg/568169715_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 23, 2016, 05:31:01 pm
Too bad - you almost had 4:20 on that post.  You're losing your fastball.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 23, 2016, 06:38:55 pm
If I'm only losing a second on my fastball at my age,  then I'm going to be a LOOGY for much longer than  I anticipated.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 23, 2016, 08:01:33 pm
Now get Fowler.

3 years, $35m. 

Not sure if it was Gallardo's mills.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 23, 2016, 10:14:28 pm
If I'm only losing a second on my fastball at my age,  then I'm going to be a LOOGY for much longer than  I anticipated.

What if you were a LOOGY with a scroogie?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 24, 2016, 12:38:07 am
What if you were a LOOGY with a scroogie?

I'd be a retired millionaire helping some rookie with his cliches and keeping fungus off his shower shoes at Spring Training this month instead of a Chief of Staff 13 years from retirement.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 24, 2016, 10:36:16 am
Now get Fowler.

3 years, $35m. 

Not sure if it was Gallardo's mills.

I'm guessing yes. Doesn't seem like he's passing his physical.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 24, 2016, 11:12:35 am
Hearing the Gallardo deal maybe unraveling due to results of his physical.

O's looking to restructure contract.

And there is agreement.  And there was much rejoicing.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 25, 2016, 01:50:49 pm
Just got a message that Cubs swooped in on Fowler.  Can't confirm.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 25, 2016, 01:52:03 pm
Just got a message that Cubs swooped in on Fowler.  Can't confirm.
Rosenthal confirms.

1 year deal with mutual option. $8 mil base, $9 mil option, $5 mil buyout
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 25, 2016, 02:25:19 pm
O's won't do an opt out.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 25, 2016, 03:08:09 pm
Sucks, but better not to give up a draft pick for one year.

Still...sucks though.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 25, 2016, 06:06:02 pm
Duquette said from the beginning that the club would not offer any opt outs.  So this late in the game the guy bolts because he can't get an opt out? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 25, 2016, 07:57:49 pm
Duquette said from the beginning that the club would not offer any opt outs.  So this late in the game the guy bolts because he can't get an opt out? 

No, he bolted because he did get an opt out elsewhere.  If he didn't get one he surely takes the guaranteed money from the O's...

There's clearly been a titanic shift in control with this opt out nonsense.  This continues until one player gets hurt.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 25, 2016, 08:05:11 pm
He had a one year deal on the table - a $15.8M qualifying offer.  If Boras is correct that industry revenues are split 57/43 in favor of the owners, then maybe this is a way for the players to flex some muscle.  But why would you let a guy walk after one year after giving up the 14th pick in the draft to get him?

And of course  Fowler's agent rips the O's.  (http://www.thescore.com/news/967946)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 25, 2016, 09:12:22 pm
Pretty predictable and a tired joke at this point, but...



(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10329237_10205895971379782_1050870937736619464_n.jpg?oh=3782a7778aa56f317aa9b5f379d6abf4&oe=576D68A2)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 25, 2016, 09:23:26 pm
He had a one year deal on the table - a $15.8M qualifying offer.  If Boras is correct that industry revenues are split 57/43 in favor of the owners, then maybe this is a way for the players to flex some muscle.  But why would you let a guy walk after one year after giving up the 14th pick in the draft to get him?

And of course  Fowler's agent rips the O's.  (http://www.thescore.com/news/967946)

I don't blame the O's at all for not giving in on the opt-out clause, but I'm really starting to worry about the bad advice the agents are giving their players around not accepting QO's and not taking financial security by asking for an opt out clause instead - and truthfully, the Fowler deal is not an opt out as it's a mutual option (with a $5m buyout).  He left $2m+ on the table and he'll be a free agent for sure next season. 

I know at least one team he won't be playing for in 2017....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 25, 2016, 11:10:59 pm
So, in effect, it's a mutual opt-out.  Doesn't change the fact that when he wants to leave after one year he will.  While leaving $2.8M on the table.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 26, 2016, 10:35:51 am
If he leaves after one year, the Orioles lose their draft pick and they're screwed. Good for them for telling him to go someplace else.

Having said that, I'm really sad he's not on the team.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 26, 2016, 12:59:32 pm
So, in effect, it's a mutual opt-out.  Doesn't change the fact that when he wants to leave after one year he will.  While leaving $2.8M on the table.

It's mutual in that both sides have to agree to keep him.  If he chooses to leave, he gets nothing.  If the Cubs tell him to leave they pay him $5m.  If he stays, he makes $9m in 2017 (up from $8m in 2016).

All this when he had a one year $15m deal on the table and 3 year $32m deal on the table.  It's pretty obvious he won't make more than either of these offers when it's all said and done.


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 26, 2016, 01:01:06 pm
so if the Orioles weren't stealing the Nats money would they be viable or permanent cellar dwellers?

What does that say about Baltimore if it can't field a competitive team?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 26, 2016, 01:07:08 pm
so if the Orioles weren't stealing the Nats money would they be viable or permanent cellar dwellers?

What does that say about Baltimore if it can't field a competitive team?

Are you referring to the non-competitive team that made the playoffs 2 out of the last 4 years?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 26, 2016, 01:08:22 pm
I don't even like the Orioles and I thought that was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 26, 2016, 03:26:39 pm
so if the Orioles weren't stealing the Nats money would they be viable or permanent cellar dwellers?

What does that say about Baltimore if it can't field a competitive team?

Are you referring to the non-competitive team that made the playoffs 2 out of the last 4 years?

We were here first.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2016/2/5/10917292/orioles-nationals-masn-money-court-case

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 26, 2016, 03:28:08 pm
We were here first.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2016/2/5/10917292/orioles-nationals-masn-money-court-case

At least you chose an unbiased opinion on the matter....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 26, 2016, 03:35:39 pm
We were here first.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2016/2/5/10917292/orioles-nationals-masn-money-court-case

At least you chose an unbiased opinion on the matter....

I had the worst visiting fan experience of my life at Nats Park. And I've been to Fenway in Orioles gear.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 26, 2016, 06:19:44 pm
I had the worst visiting fan experience of my life at Nats Park. And I've been to Fenway in Orioles gear.

Well, I'm sure that author took your fan experience into consideration when drafting that article.  Whatever you do, make sure you base all of your opinions about the team on that one experience because that makes perfect sense.

This is a legal battle, pure and simple.  Bud Selig made promises he couldn't keep (to both the Nat's and the A's) and the courts are left to figure it out.  The Nats are going to throw everything they can and the O's are going to defend their turf.  But this about the almighty dollar, not the fans.

I've been to almost every ball park, including Walgreen's Stadium a few times and had a good experience.  Even dressed like this:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/X8ps0UamDZ_yHxiW4Znj32uf_XFUr1IejrI5iznbSc05J2b4JVWDl0Er7SWfPNG6mcdCIuV7CZ3Vq1Ox6zgcStwzqBP6l9sdPTzvsD-XRmlMMbCBh3fBdy95P5BJVf5ZfB4WwhuJrGiUbTmsiBs1LzNVisdWp1uinaV9CVbX-ygZG8bQQ0EVC8m604Ku-mJPw5tP33YpDXmLfg2Qhetrs05oEtZQ7tk9sNin1OjFbOieW861UEV-e2Y6iwuMghsv_pdIAPH8-rBIc8iM_e8MtTCWIvjs9nPbzFQBew9MZh4nqSgKSRvPHiHdbpdIg3pmNojzCxxAEH56U92X_1tOF0RcETAi8XvYpkgD64nRV0qeAhmi69VUPck8L2-3eIcyHAv6FbtfgZ03FJU4f-ZazGRn-hhJ1KEIgdB3owLETkB53ZPBz4mChxPENqbDARrrQoU6a9jq9LnyOXACanMP4Qep6UoTxD7dhFBVn2WkOObvPfW79vlFBjEHVJBL8HQG4nov6eAAcDVLr9x29_SCREJgzKT4wSxBT6qc2-DFffv08sirENVbKzD9XK6dbdvWp1FFZA=w1028-h771-no) 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 26, 2016, 06:45:13 pm
I don't think this crap will be settled as long as Angelos is still alive. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 26, 2016, 07:03:53 pm
I don't think this crap will be settled as long as Angelos is still alive. 


Agreed.  And I think the A's leave Oakland but not for San Jose.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 27, 2016, 11:58:23 am
so if the Orioles weren't stealing the Nats money would they be viable or permanent cellar dwellers?

What does that say about Baltimore if it can't field a competitive team?

Are you referring to the non-competitive team that made the playoffs 2 out of the last 4 years?

I meant if they were NOT stealing the Nats money...Obviously, as you say, with the Nats money they are competitive.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 27, 2016, 12:05:57 pm
'Poor' Nats were only able to spend $165M in 2015 - no wonder they didn't win the Series. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 27, 2016, 12:09:56 pm
'Poor' Nats were only able to spend $165M in 2015 - no wonder they didn't win the Series. 

I was talking about the Orioles stealing Nats money.. not saying the Nats are a poor team.. obviously the DC market is much bigger than Baltimore which in relation to DC is minor league...

MLB's decision to placate Angelos by giving him future Nats money was idiotic but its a reality

What I'm asking is : without that money could the Orioles compete in the majors or would they be better off maybe as a minor league team? Maybe even the Nats Triple AAA team? That way Orioles fans could still watch baseball but their team wouldn't have to steal Nats money to remain in the majors...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 27, 2016, 10:20:38 pm
MLBPA's Tony Clark Concerned Over Recent FA Negotiations Between Orioles & Yovani Gallardo & Dexter Fowler

http:// by /1hUwanK
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 27, 2016, 10:42:51 pm
MLBPA's Tony Clark Concerned Over Recent FA Negotiations Between Orioles & Yovani Gallardo & Dexter Fowler

http:// by /1hUwanK


More bad news for Orioles....Sometimes they operate like a minor league team...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 28, 2016, 10:41:10 am
MLBPA's Tony Clark Concerned Over Recent FA Negotiations Between Orioles & Yovani Gallardo & Dexter Fowler

http:// by /1hUwanK


More bad news for Orioles....Sometimes they operate like a minor league team...

In what way?  Being diligent about a player's health before giving him millions?  Potentially leaking information to the media?  Egads!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 28, 2016, 10:47:21 am
MLBPA's Tony Clark Concerned Over Recent FA Negotiations Between Orioles & Yovani Gallardo & Dexter Fowler

http:// by /1hUwanK


Clark:

"I always have concerns when there appear to be public misses related to a player, related to a player's physical, related to any number of things tied to a negotiation between a club and a player."

So he's concerned about leaks.  Ho-hum.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 28, 2016, 01:35:43 pm
Even markakis.. they dragged his name through the mud over his health...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 29, 2016, 08:44:56 am
No more pies in the face this year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 08, 2016, 01:20:31 am
Good lord, go get Pedro Alvarez right now!

Orioles sign Pedro Alvarez to 1 year, $5.75m base deal.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 08, 2016, 02:54:04 pm
Good lord, go get Pedro Alvarez right now!

Orioles sign Pedro Alvarez to 1 year, $5.75m base deal.

You can never have too many big, slow guys on your team.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 08, 2016, 03:13:01 pm
You can never have too many big, slow guys on your team.

I feel like the O's have got another Nelson Cruz in this signing, only left handed.  He might hit 40+ in the shoebox with that porch.

Looks like DH duty for Trumbo.

This is what should scare you though.  Trumbo has to play OF now, and he's an adventure out there....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 22, 2016, 02:45:49 pm
How did the Rays let Rickard get away?  I realize it's only spring, but this guy is a shoo-in to be on the OD roster.  Are they really that deep? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 22, 2016, 06:12:17 pm
How did the Rays let Rickard get away?  I realize it's only spring, but this guy is a shoo-in to be on the OD roster.  Are they really that deep? 

They rolled the dice for sure, and it still might work out.  Their 40-man roster was full (and chalk full of OFs), so they put him in the Rule 5 Draft.

The Orioles selected him in the Rule 5 Draft, so he has to stay on the O's 25 man roster the entire season, or the O's have to give him back to the Rays.  I think they felt he was still a year out.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 23, 2016, 10:51:13 am
Right.  Ryan Flaherty, T.J. McFarland, Jason Garcia and now Rickard.  Pretty good results for practically no cost.  Other than taking up a roster spot for a year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on March 23, 2016, 10:54:46 am
No more pies in the face this year.

That's one rule every Oriole wife or girlfriend will try to break this year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 23, 2016, 03:13:57 pm
All throughout yesterday, I was wondering who would write this piece.  Of course it would be Dave Zirin.

 In 1999, the Baltimore Orioles played the Cuban National baseball team, helping lay the groundwork for this week?s remarkable events in Havana. (http://www.thenation.com/article/major-league-baseball-in-havana-seventeen-years-ago/)

It was gutsy then, for sure.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on April 07, 2016, 02:42:58 pm
Tomorrow will be my first game of the season!!!! I got 7th row tickets for section 22!  Should be awesome!

Anybody else going?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 07, 2016, 03:21:12 pm
Was there opening day. Will be there Saturday! Undefeated!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on April 07, 2016, 03:29:04 pm
Nice!  I am only going on Friday because someone gave me two free tickets and a parking pass. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on April 07, 2016, 03:51:46 pm
Just bought three tickets to spend my birthday night at Camden Yards...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 07, 2016, 06:19:26 pm
Nice!  I am only going on Friday because someone gave me two free tickets and a parking pass. 

Do you mean you're only going on Friday because you have free tickets and parking or do you mean you're only going because you have free tickets and parking?   Free is nice though.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on April 07, 2016, 06:32:16 pm
I am only going to the game on Friday because someone gave me tickets and a parking pass.

I would go to games (and plan on doing at least five this season), but I was not planning on attending this specific game before I got the free tickets. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 07, 2016, 07:02:01 pm
I see.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on April 08, 2016, 12:34:52 pm
I forgot my fiance was going out of town.  Her younger brother cant go.  Her dad is out of town on business trip.  Her sister's boyfriend is busy.... I just put out a post about having an extra ticket on Facebook for free and am waiting for a message from any of my Orioles loving friends... 

I would be down to give it to one of you guys, if you message me before any of my Facebook friends do... And can meet me around 6:45.
 
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/12928293_10206589656802176_3964708093579783537_n.jpg?oh=0eace2943bf40c7651db656ef047e1a0&oe=57729FD0)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 08, 2016, 04:34:41 pm
Nice seats.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on April 08, 2016, 06:15:20 pm
Yeah, and it looks like my second will be empty.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on April 08, 2016, 11:50:23 pm
That was fun; and freaking cold...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 11, 2016, 08:29:10 am
Went on Saturday. Didn't even get to our seats. Not the best of luck so far for us this year. BUT O's are still undefeated!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 11, 2016, 08:46:00 pm
Not much beats Chris Davis hitting a 3-run bomb in the 9th to beat the Bosox in their home opener.  I could put that on an endless loop.

Laying 8 runs on Price and Kimbrel is sweet too.  First HR Kimbrel has ever given up with a runner in scoring position.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on April 30, 2016, 09:45:12 pm
Seems like they should play this Korean fellow more often.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 02, 2016, 03:27:59 pm
Seems like they should play this Korean fellow more often.

Can he play shortstop?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15447275/jj-hardy-baltimore-orioles-hairline-fracture-foot-least-6-weeks
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 02, 2016, 05:42:50 pm
Seems like they should play this Korean fellow more often.

Can he play shortstop?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15447275/jj-hardy-baltimore-orioles-hairline-fracture-foot-least-6-weeks

No, but the AL Player of the Month certainly can.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on May 02, 2016, 05:54:00 pm
Seems like they should play this Korean fellow more often.

Can he play shortstop?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15447275/jj-hardy-baltimore-orioles-hairline-fracture-foot-least-6-weeks

I think the more relevant question, at least for this message board, is does he eat dogs?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 03, 2016, 07:29:05 am
JJ Hardy out with a broken foot. Ugh.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 03, 2016, 05:35:55 pm
No, but the AL Player of the Month certainly can.

He must be stoked to be getting his shot.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 03, 2016, 10:28:57 pm
No, but the AL Player of the Month certainly can.

He must be stoked to be getting his shot.
Buck had him at 3rd in the early lineup.  Not sure what caused the change. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 11, 2016, 09:13:20 pm
1st time in franchise history they've hit back-to-back jacks in 3 consecutive games.  What happens when the bombs stop coming? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 13, 2016, 09:07:25 am
1st time in franchise history they've hit back-to-back jacks in 3 consecutive games.  What happens when the bombs stop coming? 

they come back and win 7-5.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 15, 2016, 03:39:03 pm
A lot of those doubles that Manny used to get are homers now.  13>27 this year.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on May 15, 2016, 03:52:36 pm
(http://masnbox.com/gifs/Orioles/schoop-manny-tigers)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 16, 2016, 07:12:53 am
Totally robbed of a victory yesterday.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 16, 2016, 02:10:20 pm
A lot of those doubles that Manny used to get are homers now.  13>27 this year.

Only Lyle Overbay never turned that corner of young players who turn their doubles stroke into a HR stroke.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 27, 2016, 09:36:48 am
52 Ks in 3 games?  Uh oh.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 27, 2016, 12:35:55 pm
52 Ks in 3 games?  Uh oh.

Frustrating series.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 27, 2016, 01:11:57 pm
52 Ks in 3 games?  Uh oh.

The irony of doing it in Houston should not be overlooked.

But with the signings of Trumbo and Alvarez, and resigning Davis, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 03, 2016, 02:54:54 pm
Totally sustainable.

From Elias: The Orioles are the first team in MLB history to be out-homered by at least five in one game and then out-homer their opponent by more in the following game. They were out-homered by the Red Sox 5-0 on Wednesday and then out-homered the Red Sox 7-1 on Thursday.

 It?s the second time ever that the Orioles have hit seven homers in a game against the Red Sox.


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 03, 2016, 11:03:50 pm
They were out-homered by the Yankees today 3-1, won the game and have the best record in the AL.  I'll take it.

Update - Texas is a half game better after last night.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 08, 2016, 11:26:44 am
(http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/images/machado-punch-ventura-sidebar.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2016, 12:47:59 pm
He deserved to get thrown at for talking about a deep fly out as if he hit it out of the park.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on June 08, 2016, 01:31:27 pm
He deserved to get thrown at for talking about a deep fly out as if he hit it out of the park.

That was a homer that the wind blew back.  That was a mighty wind.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: killsaly on June 08, 2016, 01:35:44 pm
Someone needs to teach those baseball players how to throw a punch.  That was a pathetic "fight."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 08, 2016, 02:34:49 pm
That was a homer that the wind blew back.  That was a mighty wind.

F7.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 09, 2016, 07:00:42 pm
Manny misses four games, Ventura misses one start.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on June 10, 2016, 01:50:49 pm
Manny misses four games, Ventura misses one start.

Which is bs considering this is the 3rd or 4th time he's done this to another player. Manny should've walked to first base, but how would you act if someone threw a 99mph (his fastest of the night) AT you.

Guessing how some of you act when people post ridiculous words on the board, you probably would charge too.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on June 10, 2016, 02:24:06 pm
Manny misses four games, Ventura misses one start.

Which is bs considering this is the 3rd or 4th time he's done this to another player. Manny should've walked to first base, but how would you act if someone threw a 99mph (his fastest of the night) AT you.

Guessing how some of you act when people post ridiculous words on the board, you probably would charge too.

I haven't heard a single person on this board or anywhere criticize Manny for what he did. I guess I understand MLB suspending him because hey, he charged the mound and punched a guy. That's sort of an automatic suspension, isn't it?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on June 10, 2016, 02:36:41 pm
I've been hit often, but I've never charged a mound.  I was also a temperamental pitcher that hit a lot of batters in my day - I was just never a flame thrower so hitting me hurt me a lot more than me hitting them.  This assumes I wasn't thrown out, of course, which I was often.  I would love to see a player who just got hit, turn to the umpire and look at him like "what are you going to do about it?" and if he warns both benches, then charge the mound.  If he tosses the pitcher then clap three times and take first base.

Baseball has always had a balance issue with SP suspensions and field positions, and I don't have a solution.  10 games+ for the pitcher would really cause a lot of damage to the rotation though - a team would have to bring somebody up or use the long reliever twice, which would crush the pen.  I'm really surprised they didn't give him 10 this time.  It's also why the Royals want to deal him -  he's going to do damage to the rotation.

But don't pretend like Manny was innocent here.  The first two in the second inning were inside pitches to get Manny off the plate, and they were fine.  Manny didn't like it, so after he flied out he told Ventura in Spanish "don't throw inside to me"  -   fuck that.  I'll throw it where I want and when I want.  Watch.  And he got what he deserved in the 5th.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 09, 2016, 02:53:18 pm
Because the Angels needed somebody else on the DL....

Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on July 11, 2016, 09:29:23 am
I've been hit often, but I've never charged a mound.  I was also a temperamental pitcher that hit a lot of batters in my day - I was just never a flame thrower so hitting me hurt me a lot more than me hitting them.  This assumes I wasn't thrown out, of course, which I was often.  I would love to see a player who just got hit, turn to the umpire and look at him like "what are you going to do about it?" and if he warns both benches, then charge the mound.  If he tosses the pitcher then clap three times and take first base.

Baseball has always had a balance issue with SP suspensions and field positions, and I don't have a solution.  10 games+ for the pitcher would really cause a lot of damage to the rotation though - a team would have to bring somebody up or use the long reliever twice, which would crush the pen.  I'm really surprised they didn't give him 10 this time.  It's also why the Royals want to deal him -  he's going to do damage to the rotation.

But don't pretend like Manny was innocent here.  The first two in the second inning were inside pitches to get Manny off the plate, and they were fine.  Manny didn't like it, so after he flied out he told Ventura in Spanish "don't throw inside to me"  -   fuck that.  I'll throw it where I want and when I want.  Watch.  And he got what he deserved in the 5th.

Manny needs to learn to stay calm. But, how calm would you be if someone intentionally hit you at 99mph? I was at the game. The two "brush off" pitches were tries at hitting him. Then he intentionally beemed him at 99mph, his fastest pitch of the game. That's bs. Hard to brush that off. Plus, the pitcher has been known for doing this. The catcher didn't exactly try to tackle Manny, either, just let him walk right up there. KC had been trying to get rid of him.

Sorry about your Angels pitcher...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on July 11, 2016, 12:54:40 pm
so whats wrong with the Orioles? they have the worst record of any division leader in baseball.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on July 11, 2016, 01:01:22 pm
so whats wrong with the Orioles? they have the worst record of any division leader in baseball.

haha. They're stuck in the AL East. Still the best division in baseball, if your metric is combining records of teams in that division.

Too bad they've already played nine of their 15 against the Rays.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 11, 2016, 01:07:50 pm
All that matters is the loss column. In the AL it's 36-36-36.  You can win more games but you can never lose fewer. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 11, 2016, 01:14:04 pm
Sorry about your Angels pitcher...

I was talking about Wright hitting 3 batters including Cron twice, breaking Cron's hand (http://m.angels.mlb.com/news/article/188780746/angels-eye-momentum-despite-cj-crons-injury/) the second time.  He's out at least a month.

He didn't charge the mound.  Probably because his hand was already broken. #effective
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 13, 2016, 04:00:37 pm
so whats wrong with the Orioles? they have the worst record of any division leader in baseball.

From a numbers perspective, it's the same "problem" the O's had when they made the playoffs a few years ago - they're nearly last in starting rotation ERA, and they are dead last in innings from their starting pitchers.  All things I harped on last time and was proven wrong when they held on and I'm sure the O's brass think the same will happen again this year.  But normally, poor starting pitching and over reliance on the long ball are a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 15, 2016, 12:18:50 pm
This one I called - Bundy to start Sunday vs Rays
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 18, 2016, 01:43:01 pm
This one I called - Bundy to start Sunday vs Rays

Trade him to the Cubs so he can reach his full potential.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on July 18, 2016, 01:46:43 pm
This one I called - Bundy to start Sunday vs Rays

Trade him to the Cubs so he can reach his full beard potential.

Indeed. Both Arrieta and Hammel both have hideous beards.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 21, 2016, 05:14:08 pm
Hunter Harvey to have Tommy John.  Sigh. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on July 21, 2016, 05:20:57 pm
si no tuvieran mala suerte no tendrian ninguna suerte....

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on July 22, 2016, 07:36:51 am
Ya ni  estan primeros....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 25, 2016, 08:47:09 am
so whats wrong with the Orioles? they have the worst record of any division leader in baseball.

And now they have the best record in the AL.  Means about as much now as it did then.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 25, 2016, 02:22:01 pm
Home/Road splits mean they have to win the division, and do what they can for home field throughout.



Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 25, 2016, 10:52:12 pm
Home/Road splits mean they have to win the division, and do what they can for home field throughout.


Ideally.  Or just get better on the road.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2016, 03:18:27 pm
Brian Matusz called up to start for the Cubs tonight.  A nice performance and maybe they'll trade him back to you?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2016, 09:12:53 pm
Brian Matusz called up to start for the Cubs tonight.  A nice performance and maybe they'll trade him back to you?

Day 1 of that experiment doesn't seem to be going well.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on July 31, 2016, 09:29:32 pm
Yes, he is failing his audition as trade bait.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2016, 09:32:31 pm
Yes, he is failing his audition as trade bait.

Sad, but at this point the non-waiver deadline might not even be an issue.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 01, 2016, 04:13:35 pm
The Orioles acquired infielder Steve Pearce from the Rays, tweets ESPN?s Jerry Crasnick.  The Rays will receive 21-year-old High-A catcher Jonah Heim in return, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2016, 08:41:33 am
man Orioles tumble way out of first....is anybody else concerned by this?? I know its only August but...can they make up the lost ground? only 50 or so games left...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 11, 2016, 10:46:28 am
man Orioles tumble way out of first....is anybody else concerned by this?? I know its only August but...can they make up the lost ground? only 50 or so games left...

Yes. And in September it's these BS losses that we will remember.

STEP IT UP
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 11, 2016, 05:27:08 pm
man Orioles tumble way out of first....is anybody else concerned by this?? I know its only August but...can they make up the lost ground? only 50 or so games left...

One game is way out of first?  The offense has struggled in Oakland (until today).  There's no panic.   
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 11, 2016, 05:56:53 pm
man Orioles tumble way out of first....is anybody else concerned by this?? I know its only August but...can they make up the lost ground? only 50 or so games left...

One game is way out of first?  The offense has struggled in Oakland (until today).  There's no panic.   


well.. you're holding strong better than I am...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 12, 2016, 01:47:42 pm
Orioles still in second....first place seems ages ago...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on August 15, 2016, 07:49:22 am
That Schoop is a keeper. The Asian guy too.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 15, 2016, 09:06:32 am
sigh
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 17, 2016, 10:52:48 pm
Now down to third place.. when will this slide end????
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 19, 2016, 01:39:18 pm
When they hit 6 HRs in every game.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 19, 2016, 01:49:20 pm
Tough stretch coming up.. I hope they don't drop to fourth but its possible after this week...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 19, 2016, 08:04:03 pm
Orioles homer in 4 of their first 5 at bats vs Astros, trail 6-5 in the 2nd.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2016 Orioles in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on August 19, 2016, 08:10:10 pm
Orioles homer in 4 of their first 5 at bats vs Astros, trail 6-5 in the 2nd.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2016 Orioles in a nutshell.

God damn, Smackie I was going to make the exact same post. Hard beating you to the punch.

Why did they trade for this Miley guy anyway?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 20, 2016, 12:14:21 am
Orioles homer in 4 of their first 5 at bats vs Astros, trail 6-5 in the 2nd.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2016 Orioles in a nutshell.

Saw it live.  And I thought the fireworks were for after the game.  Welcome to Coors Field East. 

First time since 1900 a team has hit 4 HR before recording an out.  So yeah, history.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 20, 2016, 10:13:03 pm
I didn't want to say anything earlier but I think the wheels have come off.....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 22, 2016, 02:14:35 pm
Looks like they'll avoid Strasburg tonight as he's headed to the DL.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 22, 2016, 02:19:53 pm
Looks like they'll avoid Strasburg tonight as he's headed to the DL.

we'll have to see if that is enough help.. at this point I'm beginning to wonder if he's lost the clubhouse...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 22, 2016, 02:58:29 pm
You simply can't be 12th in the league in pitching and expect to win the division.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 22, 2016, 04:40:16 pm
Looks like they'll avoid Strasburg tonight as he's headed to the DL.

we'll have to see if that is enough help.. at this point I'm beginning to wonder if he's lost the clubhouse...

They usually don't do well against a guy they've never seen before.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: jeffml on August 22, 2016, 05:14:18 pm
I'm going tonight.  Was looking forward to see Strasburg Vs. Bundy.  Oh well. Hopefully Bundy has a strong outing tonight.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 23, 2016, 08:57:49 am
Good game last night! I'm going tonight and Thursday. Hopefully will have a better fan experience at Nats park this time around.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 23, 2016, 09:06:34 am
Huge win!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 24, 2016, 03:18:05 pm
Look who was at the O's game last night. 

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-57bd1cd1/turbine/bal-paul-simon-orioles-fan-20160823-001/900/900x506)


And the night before:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqlyzFmWEAAwuVW.jpg)

He's a Yankees guy, right?

Unless he's a Nats guy tonight.


Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 24, 2016, 10:13:17 pm
Thank you Nats!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 05, 2016, 08:13:21 pm
If Ubaldo has found himself and Tillman comes back as he was this could get interesting.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on September 06, 2016, 08:20:57 am
Hopefully I'll get to use those postseason tickets I just bought.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 21, 2016, 10:50:48 pm
wow..tough 3 game stretch...looks like a 10 game battle for a wildcard...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 21, 2016, 10:59:06 pm
Look who was at the O's game last night. 

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-57bd1cd1/turbine/bal-paul-simon-orioles-fan-20160823-001/900/900x506)


And the night before:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqlyzFmWEAAwuVW.jpg)

He's a Yankees guy, right?

Unless he's a Nats guy tonight.




Are we supposed to know who that is?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 21, 2016, 11:41:02 pm
<<<<====== Rhymin' Simon
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 22, 2016, 08:07:47 am
<<<<====== Rhymin' Simon

The Homicide/Wire guy at an O's game? Not a surprise.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 23, 2016, 04:21:05 pm
Got $12.5M?  You can buy  Cal's house (http://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-4828-sj5v64/13301-dover-road-reisterstown-md-21136).
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2016, 09:58:55 pm
wow huge HR by wieters
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 23, 2016, 11:29:31 pm
wow that is a big win...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2016, 12:49:41 pm
wow that is a big win...

I guess I should have taken that free ticket offer....but the Friday afternoon drive from DC and late night drive to NoVA...just couldn't do it...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on September 28, 2016, 10:01:29 pm
Fuck this clutch-as-fuck, shit ass team.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 28, 2016, 10:14:22 pm
I love love love that Kim, such a gamer.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2016, 12:14:51 pm
 Kim Hyun Soo!  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ8oaKyT4kE)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 29, 2016, 02:17:25 pm
Fuck this clutch-as-fuck, shit ass team.

And lucky Little League 5 inning wins while you're at it.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2016, 12:43:17 pm
This is what worries me about the weekend match-ups.  Boston has nothing to play for and will probably rest their regulars.  New York will have a lovefest for Tex and will probably really enjoy knocking the Orioles out of the playoffs.  The Tigers will be without a DH and might have to play a game on Monday, so it's not all bad.

    http://deadspin.com/john-farrell-to-sassy-fan-why-dont-you-shut-your-ass-1787278066
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 30, 2016, 01:50:13 pm
This is what worries me about the weekend match-ups.  Boston has nothing to play for and will probably rest their regulars.  New York will have a lovefest for Tex and will probably really enjoy knocking the Orioles out of the playoffs.  The Tigers will be without a DH and might have to play a game on Monday, so it's not all bad.

    http://deadspin.com/john-farrell-to-sassy-fan-why-dont-you-shut-your-ass-1787278066

At this point, the Red Sox could finish with the #1, #2, or #3 seed. It seems like they would want to sweep the weekend in the hope of establishing home field advantage for as long as possible?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2016, 02:52:02 pm

At this point, the Red Sox could finish with the #1, #2, or #3 seed. It seems like they would want to sweep the weekend in the hope of establishing home field advantage for as long as possible?

They're 2 behind the Rangers, so #2 seems possible I guess.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on September 30, 2016, 08:23:35 pm
Why are they playing in this shit?  3 games left and we gotta do this?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on September 30, 2016, 08:33:50 pm
Why are they playing in this shit?  3 games left and we gotta do this?

well that is precisely why.. you nailed it.. since there are only 3 games there is no time for make ups... i mean the wildcard game starts the day after the last game right? Detroit has a game on October 3.. the wildcard game is on October 4 so there are no extra days to take stock and play a rain out... I guess they could have them play a doubleheader but that seems a bit rough too, right?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on October 01, 2016, 08:06:29 am
Biggest game of the year (so far), and they're pitching Miley?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 01, 2016, 09:33:03 am
Biggest game of the year (so far), and they're pitching Miley?

It's his turn.  And he pitched well last time out.  You remember a guy named Joe Saunders?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 02, 2016, 05:45:48 pm
Jim Johnson knocks out the Tigers.  How poetic.

Ubaldo time. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on October 02, 2016, 06:45:06 pm
Jim Johnson knocks out the Tigers.  How poetic.

Ubaldo time. 

It's Tillman's turn.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 02, 2016, 08:39:47 pm
congrats to the O's
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 03, 2016, 08:54:56 am
Thanks! Regretting not getting ALDS game 1 tickets now, but I have game 2 and it is what it is! Sad the wild card can't be here, but I guess I saved some money this week :)

Yay Orioles! All decked out in orange and black today :)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 03, 2016, 12:24:07 pm
Fox Sports:

Toronto is in the postseason for the second straight year, but the Blue Jays will have to start either J.A. Happ or Marcus Stroman in the American League Wild Card Game Tuesday because they burned their No. 1 starter, Aaron Sanchez, Sunday in the final game of the regular season.

The Baltimore Orioles might look unsuspecting ? Ubaldo Jimenez is the likely Wild Card starter ? but their bats are popping and anything less than spectacular is going to get hit.

Happ and Stroman both have the ability to be spectacular, but it won?t come through in a winner-take-all game ? Baltimore will advance to play the Rangers.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2016, 01:39:18 pm
Jim Johnson knocks out the Tigers.  How poetic.

Ubaldo time. 

That f'n guy.

Congrats to the O's, but thank God I don't have to try and sleep knowing my season rests on the shoulders of Ubaldo Jimenez.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 03, 2016, 02:47:48 pm
Possible Sunday conflict if the O's win the WC game. 

Skins/Ravens at 1
Rangers/O's at 8
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 03, 2016, 03:10:47 pm
Possible Sunday conflict if the O's win the WC game. 

Skins/Ravens at 1
Rangers/O's at 8

Baseball is all that matters.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 03, 2016, 03:38:04 pm
Tillman gets the nod.  His velocity has been down, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 03, 2016, 05:00:29 pm
Tillman gets the nod.  His velocity has been down, so we'll see.

there arebig game pitchers andbiggmae pussies
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 04, 2016, 06:36:22 pm
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--geY_0wax--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/mn8jujoapfod4mmfdvhw.gif)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2016, 11:35:45 pm
Jim Johnson knocks out the Tigers.  How poetic.

Ubaldo time. 

That f'n guy.

Congrats to the O's, but thank God I don't have to try and sleep knowing my season rests on the shoulders of Ubaldo Jimenez.

Yup.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on October 04, 2016, 11:38:37 pm
The Orioles have used seven pitchers. None of them is the guy who has allowed one earned run in his last 57 innings. This is interesting.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 05, 2016, 12:07:52 am
Pretty sure Buck was waiting until they got the lead to put Britton in, but it was dire there with 1st and 3rd and he should have made the move.  Of course it's hindsight.

Would have helped to score a few runs too.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: jeffml on October 05, 2016, 09:26:12 am
Can understand holding off on Britton, sort of.  Don't understand bringing in Ubaldo who has a history of poor 1st innings pitched.  Should have gone with any other relief pitcher in the pen.  But that being said, you can't win if you don't hit.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on October 05, 2016, 09:28:00 am
Can understand holding off on Britton, sort of.  Don't understand bringing in Ubaldo who has a history of poor 1st innings pitched.  Should have gone with any other relief pitcher in the pen.  But that being said, you can't win if you don't hit.


Did they have anybody else left in the pen other than Tommy Hunter?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 05, 2016, 11:56:28 am
Can understand holding off on Britton, sort of.  Don't understand bringing in Ubaldo who has a history of poor 1st innings pitched.  Should have gone with any other relief pitcher in the pen.  But that being said, you can't win if you don't hit.


Did they have anybody else left in the pen other than Tommy Hunter?

Bundy, Britton and Hunter
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2016, 01:01:38 pm
not a happy camper
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on October 05, 2016, 01:16:21 pm
not a happy camper

Well, there's still the Nats.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2016, 01:17:46 pm
not a happy camper

Well, there's still the Nats.


DO THEY PLAY IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE????
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2016, 03:36:46 pm
Sorry O's fans.  Tough one to swallow.  That was some Dusty Baker like management of a bullpen right there in the 11th.  I can see starting the inning with Ubaldo, but as soon as the first guy got on, it had to be Britton.  Then 1st and 3rd, also had to be Britton.

Buck is always so good at pulling the right card, as he did earlier, but this one is just beyond reasonable.  They'll talk about this for a while - well, until Dusty does a few scratch your head moments.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 05, 2016, 04:06:33 pm
4 hits in 11 innings and none after the 6th.  That didn't help.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on October 05, 2016, 04:14:11 pm
4 hits in 11 innings and none after the 6th.  That didn't help.

Exactly... of course if Orioles starters had pitched a shutout through 38 innings there is the hope the hitters could have walked in a run but you got to do better than that..
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 06, 2016, 11:02:12 am
4 hits in 11 innings and none after the 6th.  That didn't help.

Exactly. YES, it sucks that Buck made a huge mistake by not bringing in Britton. BUT, no one is talking about the fact that Chris Davis also could have had a fucking HIT or Home run to help out what was otherwise an awesome game pitched by everyone else.

What a fucking awful end to the season.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on October 06, 2016, 11:02:39 am
Sorry O's fans.  Tough one to swallow.  That was some Dusty Baker like management of a bullpen right there in the 11th.  I can see starting the inning with Ubaldo, but as soon as the first guy got on, it had to be Britton.  Then 1st and 3rd, also had to be Britton.

Buck is always so good at pulling the right card, as he did earlier, but this one is just beyond reasonable.  They'll talk about this for a while - well, until Dusty does a few scratch your head moments.

My exact thoughts...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on October 06, 2016, 11:08:01 am
They'll talk about this for a while - well, until Dusty does a few scratch your head moments.
At some point before he dies, I am absolutely certain Dusty Baker will see a reliever come in to set up a lefty-righty matchup against his batter and he will insist his non-switch hitter batter hit from the other side to counteract it.

You're all scoffing but just think about it for a second. . . deep down you're not really certain he wouldn't, are you?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on October 15, 2016, 06:45:28 pm
I understand that Andrew Miller is Andrew Miller but what are the chances that Britton takes on the same persona as a guy who comes in in the 7th or 8th while the game is on the line?  Is that going to be the thing throughout all baseball?  And will Buck ever fess up to fucking up? 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on October 16, 2016, 11:34:02 pm
If I had seen this, I'd be the owner:

Orioles closer Zach Britton's 'game-used' jersey sells for $2,650 (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17812566/zach-britton-game-used-al-wild-card-jersey-sold-auction)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on November 07, 2016, 09:27:25 pm
  And will Buck ever fess up to fucking up? 

Showalter "stunned" Britton wasn't selected as a finalist for Cy Young.

"Real poor reflection on the people evaluating" - said Buck

Harold Reynolds - "worst omission I've ever seen"

Not sure if those are about the Wildcard game snub or about the voters of the award.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on November 08, 2016, 01:16:24 pm
Ian Desmond in LF or RF next year?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on November 08, 2016, 02:59:51 pm
Ian Desmond in LF or RF next year?


Don't look back you can never look back...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 07, 2016, 11:31:16 am
Duquette: "We told (Bautista's) agent that we are not interested because our fans don't like him."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on December 07, 2016, 12:14:27 pm
I saw that.. seems kind of a harsh thing to say in public???

Although I completely agree.. I cannot stand the guy.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on December 08, 2016, 09:10:03 am
Duquette: "We told (Bautista's) agent that we are not interested because our fans don't like him."

awesome.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 08, 2016, 05:13:30 pm
Or they're still bitter that they once had him and let him go....off waivers!

You know what Joey Bats has that Dan Duquette does not have? 

A World Series Ring.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 08, 2016, 08:26:20 pm
So does Ortiz.  And we hate him too.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 14, 2016, 06:19:14 pm
Castillo signed.  Wieters goes to.....  ?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 14, 2016, 06:38:26 pm
Castillo signed.  Wieters goes to.....  ?

Can't frame a pitch.
Can't stay healthy.
Represented by Boras.

That means either the Yanks or the Nats.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 14, 2016, 08:21:51 pm
Castillo signed.  Wieters goes to.....  ?

Can't frame a pitch.
Can't stay healthy.
Represented by Boras.

That means either the Yanks or the Nats.

I had posted Nats originally.  So they don't view Norris as the #1?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 14, 2016, 08:34:16 pm
I had posted Nats originally.  So they don't view Norris as the #1?

They'll move Norris if they sign Wieters - they just needed an insurance policy against the Yankees or the dreaded super expensive one year deal that some team might sign him to.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 06, 2017, 03:12:24 pm
Yovani Gallardo and cash for Seth Smith
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 06, 2017, 04:05:39 pm
Yovani Gallardo and cash for Seth Smith

Good for Seth.  Everybody likes being traded to the shoebox in a contract year.

And good for Yovani, too.  Much more pitcher friendly park in Seattle.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 06, 2017, 04:37:08 pm
O's will reportedly save $4M.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 06, 2017, 04:48:21 pm
O's will reportedly save $4M.

Yes, $2m this year and $2M next year assuming they weren't going to exercise his option.  Or, to put that into perspective, ~1.3% of their existing 2017 payroll, otherwise known as a rounding error. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 06, 2017, 08:49:50 pm
The Mariners grabbed Jarrod Dyson from KC to replace Smith for a young starter, so they played their hand.  Better D and speed for a shot at a comeback season for Gallardo.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on January 20, 2017, 12:02:07 am
Trumbo hitting trumbombs in Baltimore for 3 years, $37.5 million. 

O's saved money by him not signing the first deal.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 23, 2017, 10:37:55 am
Who else will be at fanfest on Saturday? I'm going with my Mom. Will probably just stand in the MASN line for a picture with Zach Britton, hit up the stadium tour dugout, and then go to lunch. It's gotten so crazy there!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on January 23, 2017, 10:47:42 am
Swim meet Saturday for me.  I have 2 tickets to FF if anyone is interested.  The clubhouse/dugout tour is cool.  The mob of people and the crazy long lines not so much.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on January 23, 2017, 11:26:27 am
There was no one there 5 years ago. Crazy how times have changed!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 01, 2017, 05:46:17 pm
Johnny Giavotella?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 01, 2017, 06:45:06 pm
Johnny Giavotella?

Well, let's start with the easy stuff:

You get say this, just like this, all season long. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpXBptw8ZGQ) 

It will become a knee jerk reaction and a fun distraction from the fact that:

He can't hit and doesn't get on base.

Though his fielding has gotten better, he can't really field and can only play second base.

For about a month or two he was a real spark plug - plays hard as hell every night.  But as the rest of the league figured him out and he failed to adjust, it just became more and more obvious that he's not MLB quality.

He's so average, that the Angels are willing to give Danny Espinosa a serious try.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 02, 2017, 05:39:55 pm
Doubt that he'll unseat Flaherty.  Most likely he'll be minor league injury insurance.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 14, 2017, 05:43:28 pm
Ominous (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18685335/chris-tillman-baltimore-orioles-shoulder-likely-start-season-disabled-list)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 14, 2017, 07:30:46 pm
Ominous (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18685335/chris-tillman-baltimore-orioles-shoulder-likely-start-season-disabled-list)

A shoulder is always better than an elbow....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on February 14, 2017, 10:22:24 pm
Ominous (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18685335/chris-tillman-baltimore-orioles-shoulder-likely-start-season-disabled-list)

A shoulder is always better than an elbow....
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for a pitcher  I think for sure....I have no idea about position players...

they should just give him a lot of time....but it sounds like he's damaged goods...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 15, 2017, 10:45:01 am
Getting your MLB.tv auto-renewal email is the new "pitchers and catchers report."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 15, 2017, 11:58:38 am
Do you do this for local games? Can you watch on your playstation?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 15, 2017, 12:03:47 pm
Do you do this for local games? Can you watch on your playstation?

There were local team blackouts last year but I read they are going away this year BUT it requires you to have a cable subscription. So you cannot cut cable and get your Orioles without MASN if that's what you want to do unless you want to run through a proxy/vpn to conceal that you are in the Baltimore area. It will work on a PlayStation.

This is really more for total baseball nuts (Smackie) or people who live outside of their favorite teams local area (me). Unless picking up a lot of non-Nats/Os games appeals to you, I don't see why you'd get it.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 15, 2017, 01:00:34 pm
I'm waiting to see what this $10 "Follow-Your-Team" pass is before I auto-renew (out of market only).  This is the first year for it.  I'm guessing it'[s radio only, but we'll see.

If my choice is $88 for the Halo or $113 for every team, I'm going to go every team.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 15, 2017, 01:17:30 pm
If my choice is $88 for the Halo or $113 for every team, I'm going to go every team.
Same. Drop Tigers only to $50 or something and I'll consider it but if the price difference is a sawbuck, I'll get everyone every time.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on February 16, 2017, 10:21:36 am
It really sucks that you can't get this for in market. MASN is the only reason I keep cable.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on February 16, 2017, 11:02:57 am
It really sucks that you can't get this for in market. MASN is the only reason I keep cable.
A VPN connection to make your PlayStation appear to be in, say Chicago, would cost you a minuscule amount of money if you're ok with the dubious ethics of doing so. A five minute google rabbithole session could save you a lot of money.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 28, 2017, 02:57:34 pm
Getting your MLB.tv auto-renewal email is the new "pitchers and catchers report."

T-Mobile is giving me the MLB.TV Premier package for free on April 4, so that made my decision pretty easy.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 28, 2017, 03:29:41 pm
Getting your MLB.tv auto-renewal email is the new "pitchers and catchers report."

T-Mobile is giving me the MLB.TV Premier package for free on April 4, so that made my decision pretty easy.
I have a friend who has gotten this both this season and last. I'll admit, I thought about switching.

My new Verizon plan comes with whatever the NBA version of .tv is.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 28, 2017, 06:36:09 pm
I paid last season before The Director sent me the heads up.  This season I passed on pre-season just in case they offered it again.

I love T-Mobile, but I spend 98% of my time in major metropolitan areas.  YMMV.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 28, 2017, 09:17:39 pm
I paid last season before The Director sent me the heads up.  This season I passed on pre-season just in case they offered it again.

I love T-Mobile, but I spend 98% of my time in major metropolitan areas.  YMMV.
I get a huge price cut in Verizon through work. I'd bet tmobiles service is fine since I rarely stray 10 miles off an interstate.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 28, 2017, 11:05:33 pm
None of this appears to be Orioles news.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 28, 2017, 11:20:40 pm
None of this appears to be Orioles news.
Yeah, it's almost like topics take a life of their own and people discuss things on a messageboard from time to time despite the formalized title of the thread not aligning 100%. I see why this would be a problem for a 5 year old; what's your excuse?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 29, 2017, 07:46:35 am
None of this appears to be Orioles news.
Yeah, it's almost like topics take a life of their own and people discuss things on a messageboard from time to time despite the formalized title of the thread not aligning 100%. I see why this would be a problem for a 5 year old; what's your excuse?

Maybe we should get rid of thread titles altogether.  Save for the Just Announced thread.  That's a necessity.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on March 29, 2017, 08:23:19 am
I just can't believe a 40 year old would have something called a "Playstation". Might explain is martial status, though.  ;D
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 29, 2017, 08:35:13 am
I just can't believe a 40 year old would have something called a "Playstation". Might explain is martial status, though.  ;D
Katie is the only person on here who references owning a Playstation and, if I'm not mistaken, she's married.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on March 29, 2017, 08:41:21 am
I just can't believe a 40 year old would have something called a "Playstation". Might explain is martial status, though.  ;D
Katie is the only person on here who references owning a Playstation and, if I'm not mistaken, she's married.

I am not quite 40 and do have a playstation. But, use it to stream and not play games. And yes, been married almost 14 years.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on March 29, 2017, 08:44:47 am
I just can't believe a 40 year old would have something called a "Playstation". Might explain is martial status, though.  ;D
Katie is the only person on here who references owning a Playstation and, if I'm not mistaken, she's married.

Ah, I see. I appear to have the reading comprehension skills of a non-gifted five year old.  :D
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on March 29, 2017, 08:48:53 am
I just can't believe a 40 year old would have something called a "Playstation". Might explain is martial status, though.  ;D
Katie is the only person on here who references owning a Playstation and, if I'm not mistaken, she's married.

Ah, I see. I appear to have the reading comprehension skills of a non-gifted five year old.  :D
Also, I am closer to 30 than 40.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 29, 2017, 04:20:31 pm
I just didn't want the Orioles thread to fall off the 5th page and on to the 6th, given their severe lack of free agent signings.  Save for Johnny Giavotella of course, or releasing OF Michael Bourn newsworthy?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on March 31, 2017, 10:04:45 am
A little worried about the Orioles season, but I'll be happy to be back at the Yard next week.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 31, 2017, 05:14:33 pm
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--fmjZfapj--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/sxcemw0ytk5kbcmfaof2.gif)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on April 17, 2017, 10:50:24 am
Britton to disabled list..left forearm issues..

article says could be tommy john surgery is coming in which case he may have thrown his last pitch as an Oriole...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 17, 2017, 11:18:12 am
Britton to disabled list..left forearm issues..

article says could be tommy john surgery is coming in which case he may have thrown his last pitch as an Oriole...

WORST NEWS.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on April 17, 2017, 11:24:02 am
I'm not seeing anything about that in the news this morning.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 17, 2017, 02:05:32 pm
I'm not seeing anything about that in the news this morning.

I didn't see anything about Tommy John either, but it is a usual outcome for forearm strains.  It's either that or Stem Cell treatment.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on April 17, 2017, 02:31:07 pm
yeah..sorry to bear bad news... i guess hope for the best.. maybe its just wrong info


http://www.camdenchat.com/2017/4/16/15319042/zach-britton-disabled-list-forearm-soreness-panic?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo&yptr=yahoo
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 17, 2017, 02:39:36 pm
Oh, well if Stacey from CamdenChat reports on it, citing absolutely nothing in her article from the O's or a medical professional, then it must be true.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Julian, Semi-Retired WUNDERKIND on April 17, 2017, 02:44:15 pm
With all due respect to Spencer Hall who is hilarious, I stopped considering anything coming from the SB Nation family of sites "responsible sports journalism" after the Holtzclaw kerfuffle (and I probably shouldn't have held on that long).
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 17, 2017, 02:45:36 pm
From Roch:

Zach Britton is on the 10-day disabled list with a strained left forearm, making him eligible to return on April 26. He told reporters that the discomfort is closer to his wrist than elbow, which brings a huge sigh of relief.
You hear ?strained forearm? or ?flexor mass? and immediately think ?Tommy John surgery.? It?s an overreaction that comes from all the examples of pitchers who eventually have to undergo the procedure, including Dylan Bundy, who turned in his third quality start yesterday.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 17, 2017, 07:06:40 pm
Parker Bridwell.  Talk to me.....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 18, 2017, 10:34:10 am
Parker Bridwell.  Talk to me.....

Will probably end up being the next Jake Arrieta
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on April 18, 2017, 11:58:12 am
Parker Bridwell.  Talk to me.....

Will probably end up being the next Jake Arrieta

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen to the Angels, as our free agent/transaction track record is among the worst in baseball.

I will meter my expectations.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 02, 2017, 11:25:31 pm
At this point, teams are just throwing at Machado because it fun to watch him cry, right?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 03, 2017, 11:27:16 am
At this point, teams are just throwing at Machado because it fun to watch him cry, right?

Doesn't mean Sale isn't a knucklehead.

The Red Sox Need To Chill The Hell Out (http://deadspin.com/the-red-sox-need-to-chill-the-hell-out-1794878218)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 06, 2017, 04:13:37 pm
Britton back to DL. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 06, 2017, 08:40:32 pm
The Angels have acquired right-hander Damien Magnifico from the Orioles in exchange for righty Jordan Kipper.  Both teams have announced the deal, and both players have been assigned to their new clubs? respective Triple-A affiliates.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 07, 2017, 08:54:46 am
Magnifico-o-o-o!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on May 07, 2017, 10:01:02 pm
Magnifico-o-o-o!

That's pretty much my take. Great name.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: herman otto on May 08, 2017, 12:48:52 am
There sure are a lot of people who like the Os, around here.  I hate birds, so fuck them.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on May 08, 2017, 09:14:57 am
At this point, teams are just throwing at Machado because it fun to watch him cry, right?

Doesn't mean Sale isn't a knucklehead.

The Red Sox Need To Chill The Hell Out (http://deadspin.com/the-red-sox-need-to-chill-the-hell-out-1794878218)

Red Sox proving yet again why NE fans and players can be total assholes. So glad they won that last game.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 09, 2017, 06:42:10 pm
Britton back to DL. 

Rushed back against the advice of the medical staff and will now be out 2 months.

No structural damage detected, so there is that.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on May 18, 2017, 09:00:33 am
Happy 80th to the best there ever was

(http://www.goldenagebaseballcards.com/hall-of-fame/imagesbig/Brooks-Robinson.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on June 08, 2017, 06:00:19 pm
Anybody at the game tonite? Guess not since this fell to page 3.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on June 08, 2017, 10:02:43 pm
Nats win again!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on June 10, 2017, 08:15:04 am
It rained all day that day, and the forecast said it would rain until 9:30 or 10, Rizzo said. I sat in Bucks office at 6:30, and we talked about it for 20 minutes. He was 100-percent on-board. He didnt say anything about not canceling the game.

Their GM [Dan Duquette] was nowhere to be found for three, four hours.

We wanted to play the next day. They refused to play then, so the next [open] day was [Thursday]. They drove 32 miles to get there. We flew 3,000 [expletive] miles, and we beat their [behinds]. So quit your whining. Quit whining.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: StoneTheCrow on June 12, 2017, 12:41:13 pm
Both teams had a lot to whine about this past weekend. Nats fans can be thankful that there aren't any other quality teams in their division. The Yankees are scary good right now.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: excontradiction on June 14, 2017, 04:53:33 am
99% Invisible explores how the design of Camden Yards changed baseball.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on June 16, 2017, 06:07:17 am
Shoot, I don't think the O's could beat a Congressional baseball team at this point in time.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on July 31, 2017, 03:36:39 pm
The O's sure don't seem to care too much for international signing bonus slots. 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: K8teebug on August 03, 2017, 12:34:15 pm
Don't count 'em out yet.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 03, 2017, 12:38:33 pm
Don't count 'em out yet.

As long as Angelos owns the team, I will always count them out.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: martinrob on August 03, 2017, 02:22:19 pm
Angelos is a pig.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 03, 2017, 04:56:16 pm
It is weird but Angelos does not care.....Snyder is awful but at least he cares...Angelos lost the spark...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: ggw on August 04, 2017, 11:04:19 am
Snyder cares about Snyder. Period.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on August 04, 2017, 11:19:19 am
Snyder cares about Snyder. Period.
I think he is terribly inept and stupid but at the end of the day I think he cares about winning... Angelos used to but no longer does..


Either way I will still go to Orioles games cause they are a great value, baseball is a game i like, and Camden Yards is a great fun place to see a game.... I will never set foot in Jack Kent Cooke Park or whatever they are calling it again..come to think of it I only been there one time... in 1997 I think it was I saw the Stones there....somebody bought the worst seats available  and it turned me off to the stones for years.. we were so far away it took 3 seconds for the sound to get to us..
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 14, 2017, 04:14:49 pm
Parker Bridwell.  Talk to me.....

Will probably end up being the next Jake Arrieta

I tip my hat....

"Parker Bridwell, a cash purchase from the Baltimore Orioles in April, is now 7-1 with a 2.88 ERA in 11 starts after a win Sunday. Let that sink in: The Orioles didn't want this guy."
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 15, 2017, 09:30:56 pm
Nats and O's will cool off your halos
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 16, 2017, 12:31:23 am
Nats and O's will cool off your halos

Yes, but can they cool off Parker?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 18, 2017, 04:10:36 pm
Nats and O's will cool off your halos

Yes, but can they cool off Parker?

Sunday vs. Miley.  8-1 seems probable.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 18, 2017, 09:01:01 pm
Looks hot and wet and miserable in Camden tonight...
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 18, 2017, 09:07:38 pm
Looks hot and wet and miserable in Camden tonight...

Hot, humid homers.  Summer in Charm City.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 18, 2017, 09:22:02 pm

Hot, humid homers.  Summer in Charm City.

With first base open, that was just foolish to pitch to Trout. Especially any where near the plate on a 3-2 pitch.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 18, 2017, 11:05:07 pm
Have a night Mr Machado. Well played, sir....
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 18, 2017, 11:09:54 pm
Have a night Mr Machado. Well played, sir....

Felt like I was watching slow pitch softball.  Manny's weren't cheap though. So who gives him the $300M?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on August 20, 2017, 08:47:32 pm
Should have been a sweep.....

I'll take a 6-2 road trip though.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on August 23, 2017, 01:33:11 pm
I think I figured out why Arrieta was not successful with the Orioles...

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/91763/91763-9699539Fr.jpg)
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on September 24, 2017, 09:30:08 am
How insensitive was it for the PA people to play "Rock You Like a Hurricane" when Puerto Rican native Xavier Cedeno stepped in to pitch for the Rays last night?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on November 08, 2017, 02:02:07 pm
I know you don't want to hear this, because you didn't want to hear it about Wieters, but the O's should trade Macahdo and Britton this offseason, and not wait until July.  They're worth so much more with that draft pick attached.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on November 08, 2017, 07:42:06 pm
I know you don't want to hear this, because you didn't want to hear it about Wieters, but the O's should trade Macahdo and Britton this offseason, and not wait until July.  They're worth so much more with that draft pick attached.

I don't think 'ol Pete would approve trading either of these guys.  And he might not live long enough to be there when the rebuilding comes to fruition.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 20, 2017, 11:43:14 am
Britton ruptured his Achilles heel and is non-tradeable for 6 months.  He also can't play baseball.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on December 20, 2017, 11:12:22 pm
Have a night Mr Machado. Well played, sir....
masn replaying that game tonight.  9th inning right now.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on December 21, 2017, 01:37:14 pm
Have a night Mr Machado. Well played, sir....
masn replaying that game tonight.  9th inning right now.

Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 15, 2018, 03:15:31 pm
Cashner 2 years $16M.  That's a start.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 15, 2018, 04:57:55 pm
Cashner 2 years $16M.  That's a start.

I wonder if this means the O's are out of the Odorizzi sweepstakes then?

Anyhow, too much was made about Cashner not striking guys out any more.  He changed pitches because he changed ballparks (from pitcher friendly SD to hitter friendly TX) and it resulted in less fly balls and HRs, which was the point (not strikeouts).  I think the O's probably saved some money here for a pitcher who is already working on how to pitch in that park.

Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on February 15, 2018, 06:47:27 pm
$16M plus incentives.  Wonder if he got a beard exemption from Buck.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on February 19, 2018, 12:20:58 pm
Tillman resigned.  No surprise there, at least until the terms are released.

EDIT: One year, $3m guaranteed polus incentives.  Good for both parties.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 12, 2018, 05:41:03 pm
$16M plus incentives.  Wonder if he got a beard exemption from Buck.

The Orioles Gave Andrew Cashner a Beard Exemption (http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/03/12/the-orioles-gave-andrew-cashner-a-beard-exemption/)

 
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 12, 2018, 07:12:02 pm
Orioles start program to let kids come to games for free (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22734034/baltimore-orioles-start-initiative-let-kids-games-free)

Every parent who buys a regularly priced upper-deck seat can get two free tickets in the upper deck for their kids. The promotion runs month-to-month, so tickets for games from March 31 to April 29 are available now.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 20, 2018, 05:46:16 pm
Orioles start program to let kids come to games for free (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22734034/baltimore-orioles-start-initiative-let-kids-games-free)

Every parent who buys a regularly priced upper-deck seat can get two free tickets in the upper deck for their kids. The promotion runs month-to-month, so tickets for games from March 31 to April 29 are available now.

This is cool.  Could have used it 10 years ago or so.

O's reportedly closing in on Cobb.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: vansmack on March 20, 2018, 07:19:15 pm

O's reportedly closing in on Cobb.

4 years, $60m? That's the second longest deal of any pitcher this off season. Surprised the O's of all teams went that long on a 30-year old.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Space Freely on March 20, 2018, 07:35:50 pm
Orioles start program to let kids come to games for free (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22734034/baltimore-orioles-start-initiative-let-kids-games-free)

Every parent who buys a regularly priced upper-deck seat can get two free tickets in the upper deck for their kids. The promotion runs month-to-month, so tickets for games from March 31 to April 29 are available now.

This is cool.  Could have used it 10 years ago or so.

O's reportedly closing in on Cobb.

Does the same deal work if you're two adults with one kid?
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on March 20, 2018, 07:46:19 pm
Cobb 4 years 60 million
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on March 21, 2018, 09:58:01 am

O's reportedly closing in on Cobb.

4 years, $60m? That's the second longest deal of any pitcher this off season. Surprised the O's of all teams went that long on a 30-year old.

$57M with deferrals for each year.  Eclipses Ubaldo's deal.  Now let's hope his performance does as well.
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: hutch on March 21, 2018, 11:24:06 am
Orioles are done
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: Schulzenstein on March 29, 2018, 06:52:29 pm
Orioles are done

3-2 Os in 11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mr7mQuGmp0
Title: Re: Orioles....part 2?
Post by: shemptiness on April 11, 2018, 02:40:00 pm
(https://i1.wp.com/farm9.staticflickr.com/8118/8656607511_94178dbf2e_o.gif?resize=600%2C333)

Sums it up, pretty much