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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on November 21, 2017, 11:52:26 am
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John Conyers:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/she-complained-that-a-powerful-congressman-harassed-her?utm_term=.wuM1W9YZw#.tuDVGKEkq
Oliver Stone:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oliver-stone-accused-groping-tv-actress-early-1990s-1048468
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(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/arianna_h-_al_franken_harry_benson_2000_lg.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=500)
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Yikes
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John Conyers:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/she-complained-that-a-powerful-congressman-harassed-her?utm_term=.wuM1W9YZw#.tuDVGKEkq
on a side note, who the hell votes for an 88 year old?
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(http://epguides.com/Ropers/cast.jpg)
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The co-founder of Pixar.
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/11/22/business/22PIXAR1/merlin_129860052_ad4ae47f-346a-4c3e-97b9-15a2922ed11b-blog427.jpg)
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nytimes is keeping this up to date
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/10/us/men-accused-sexual-misconduct-weinstein.html
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Ron Jeremy
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/inside-ron-jeremy-sexual-misconduct-allegations-w511844
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Ron Jeremy
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/inside-ron-jeremy-sexual-misconduct-allegations-w511844
almost seems like it should go in the Onion thread
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Nick Carter
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/backstreet-boys-nick-carter-accused-of-rape-w512416
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Two More Women Accuse Sen. Al Franken Of Inappropriate Touching (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-more-women-accuse-sen-al-franken-of-inappropriate-touching/ar-BBFvYfm?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
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(https://www.billboard.com/bbbiz/photos/stylus//1202259-Seth-Hurwitz-Richard-Brason-Grace-Potter-617.jpg)
The one on the right (https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/richard-branson-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-joss-stone’s-backup-singer/ar-BBFCtai?li=AA2qN5v&ocid=spartandhp)
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I xperience similar sucky emotions on this thread to dropping like flies
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/11/28/us/ap-us-congress-sexual-misconduct-conyers.html
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(https://tribwpmt.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/872271992.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=612)
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Now that one would not surprise me.
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(https://tribwpmt.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/872271992.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=612)
Similar to Louis CK, not surprised at all. Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.
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Wow, Matt Lauer was just fired from NBC for “inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace.” But when will the top executives at NBC & Comcast be fired for putting out so much Fake News. Check out Andy Lack’s past!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/935844881825763328
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Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.
So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner! Who else is on your secret list?
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Count me in the "previously thought Lauer was a creep" category. I guess he's not really a star.
(https://pics.me.me/when-youre-a-star-they-let-you-do-it-grab-4559170.png)
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Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.
So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner! Who else is on your secret list?
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.
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Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen,
Really going out on a limb there....
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(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/11/08/08-jeffrey-tambor-2.w190.h190.2x.jpg)
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/jeffrey-tambor-leaves-transparent-sexual-misconduct-allegations
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Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.
So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner! Who else is on your secret list?
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.
Pretty sure you missed the ball on Gene Wilder.
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Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.
So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner! Who else is on your secret list?
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.
Pretty sure you missed the ball on Gene Wilder.
A grope is a grope, bro.
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curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
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curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
I know, that is the biggest issue right now
I think that a lot of these current ones are probably are guilty, but what's to stop people from just contacting news outlets and saying "Obama groped me" and then they run with the story
I really think people should be filing police reports and not posting on twitter
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curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
No one is being incarcerated without a trial over these allegations, so innocent until proven guilty is still in play.
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curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
No one is being incarcerated without a trial over these allegations, so innocent until proven guilty is still in play.
Well yeah, except in the eyes of their employer.
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I'm shocked Julian didn't have Garrison Keilor on his list.
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curious about what happened to innocence until proven guilty?
Somebody sounds a little defensive...
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I'm shocked Julian didn't have Garrison Keilor on his list.
Great call. Definitely a diddler. Total oversight on my part.
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Well yeah, except in the eyes of their employer.
Generally, the only limitations for a private employer firing someone (non-union) is if the termination is based on the employee's race, gender, national origin, disability, religion or age (so long as the employee is at least 40 years old).
Just about everything else is fair game, so long as it's not retaliatory for whistle blowing, but even then, good luck getting your job back.
And most of these have gone through a human resources review, which is just about all the employer needs.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politics/al-franken-groping-allegation/index.html
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(https://i0.wp.com/theintrepidangler.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UW-Gag-Grouper-2000.jpg)
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(http://media.nj.com/entertainment_impact_tv/photo/geraldo-rivera-injuryjpg-7a1970bc6e1d0c39_large.jpg)
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(https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Garrison_Keillor_6190507095.jpg)
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(https://i0.wp.com/theintrepidangler.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UW-Gag-Grouper-2000.jpg)
isn't that a grouper?
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Adrock's dad
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Maybe my creep radar is just more finely attuned than most.
So you have groper-radar? Shame on you for not exposing these creeps sooner! Who else is on your secret list?
Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.
Pretty sure you missed the ball on Gene Wilder.
A grope is a grope, bro.
Theres a "cold, dead hand" joke somewhere in there.
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Does sexual harassment happen as much among non-celebrities as it seems to happen among celebrities? Honestly, I'm kind of shocked by all if this. I thought only rude, coarse, low-life construction worker type men acted like this. How naive I was.
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Its not about men but power.....people with power use it to get what they want no matter how inappropriate and illegal...
Also America's obsession with money does not help. It is all about making $....People exploit and take advantage of this sad reality...
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isn't that a grouper?
Yes, that's the joke.
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I would also like to add both Manning brothers, Bill Simmons, Paul Ryan, and Jim jefferies to the list of people who set off my groper radar.
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I would also like to add both Manning brothers, Bill Simmons, Paul Ryan, and Jim jefferies to the list of people who set off my groper radar.
unfortunately you get no points for calling out jim jeffries. he admits to being a sleaze and a horrible person.
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I would also like to add both Manning brothers, Bill Simmons, Paul Ryan, and Jim jefferies to the list of people who set off my groper radar.
unfortunately you get no points for calling out jim jeffries. he admits to being a sleaze and a horrible person.
This is not about points. This is about awareness. If you sense something, say something.
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(http://www.metopera.org/metoperafiles/artist_pages/2015-16/Levine,%20James.jpg)
The Metropolitan Opera suspended James Levine, its revered conductor and former music director, on Sunday after three men came forward with accusations that Mr. Levine sexually abused them decades ago, when the men were teenagers.
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(http://www.metopera.org/metoperafiles/artist_pages/2015-16/Levine,%20James.jpg)
I have no idea who that is, but just by looking at him, I could tell you he is a pervy weirdo.
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Robert Downey Jr, Charie Sheen, Richard Branson, Steven Spielberg, Brian Kelly, Jay-Z, Drew Carey, Malcolm Gladwell, Prince Harry, Gene Wilder, Conor Oberst, Joel Olsteen, Ray LaMontagne et al.
Just saw an ad on FB that Bob Saget is performing in Berkeley this weekend, but before I knew it was an ad, I thought he was the next to go down. Upon seeing it was just an ad, I though, "how is he not on Julian's list? Or Uncle Joey for that matter?"
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Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.
Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst
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Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.
Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst
For Seacrest, would it be groping other men, or groping women?
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Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.
Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst
For Seacrest, would it be groping other men, or groping women?
People sub-5'2", regardless of gender.
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Some dude from a Netflix series and the Church of Scientology (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/business/media/danny-masterson-fired-netflix.html)
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Robert Knepper
Prison Break, etc dude
http://ew.com/tv/2017/12/05/robert-knepper-sexual-misconduct-accusations
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Some chick that was on the Voice.
http://people.com/music/melanie-martinez-denies-allegations-sexual-assault-former-friend/
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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3104673.1493241782!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_320/warren-moon.jpg)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/retired-nfl-star-warren-moon-is-sued-for-sexual-harassment/ar-BBGjPtC?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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20-30 more members of Congress?
https://twitter.com/mikehtrujillo/status/938815136571129856
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I wish Americans could draw a distinction between pedophiles and rapists and people who cop a feel but apparently its all the same now...arguably copping a feel, or taking an inappropriate picture is a worse offense judging by the consequences...
Feeling sad and bitter...
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I wish Americans could draw a distinction between pedophiles and rapists and people who cop a feel but apparently its all the same now...arguably copping a feel, or taking an inappropriate picture is a worse offense judging by the consequences...
Feeling sad and bitter...
yup
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I wish Americans could draw a distinction between pedophiles and rapists and people who cop a feel but apparently its all the same now...arguably copping a feel, or taking an inappropriate picture is a worse offense judging by the consequences...
Feeling sad and bitter...
Which of these is ok?
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^Exhibit A of the American who cannot draw distinctions
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No, tell me. Which should we be ok with?
Do you feel persecuted for doing some of these things without consent?
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I think he's defending the serial gropers. Apparently groping women is de rigeur in his native Latin America.
"For women it’s particularly important to keep your wits as much as possible. In the huge clubs and notorious pick-up joints of Buenos Aires — some of the Irish bars of the Retiro neighborhood jump to mind — women may receive unwanted random groping from young men who can’t handle their alcohol. "
http://www.humanosphere.org/human-rights/2016/01/women-in-latin-american-cities-face-higher-rates-of-sexual-assault-and-the-number-is-growing/
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Ive heard the tokyo subway is a creeperfest too.
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Director of the X-Men series (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/movies/bryan-singer-sexual-assault.html)
And another Congressperson (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/blake-farenthold-sexual-harass-greene-278869)
(https://am14.akamaized.net/med/cnt/uploads/2017/07/farenthold-650x462.png)
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No not defending it...sorry you could not grasp the point...again proving my point..
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No not defending it...sorry you could not grasp the point...again proving my point..
Your point being that Franken is less bad than Weinstein because groping at least eight women during photo ops is less bad than using your position of power to coerce more than 40 women to have sex with you (and possibly raping a couple who refused the coercion). Yes, we simple-minded Americans get the distinction. But that distinction matters little because a sexual predator is still a sexual predator.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5079685/miss-bum-bum-champion-rosie-oliveira-groped-sao-paulo/
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Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.
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Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.
Nothing worse than agreeing with Space, but I do.
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Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.
Nothing worse than agreeing with Space, but I do.
That's why there are different levels of felonies and misdemeanors.
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Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.
Nothing worse than agreeing with Space, but I do.
That's why there are different levels of felonies and misdemeanors.
I'm not saying it's not disgusting and not a crime, but when lumping in someone who takes racy photos or grabs an ass/breast vs. pedophile and rape, yeah, it's a pretty big difference.
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I'm agreeing with you. First degree murder is not the same as involuntary manslaughter. I wish people would distinguish, because Roy Moore is by far a way bigger piece of shit than Al Franken. That being said, both are pieces of shit nonetheless.
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Ha ha Al Franken is a sexual predator???
When you equate him with Moore or Weinstein you really show you do not know what you are talking about.
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Neither one should take a leadership role in this country, and neither should be in a position of power. One of them more neither than the other.
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Ha ha Al Franken is a sexual predator???
When you equate him with Moore or Weinstein you really show you do not know what you are talking about.
Franken's not a sexual predator? The number of women who have claimed he groped them or more is currently at eight and has been growing in recent days.
So what is your threshold for what qualifies as sexual predation?
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I felt about a week ago that he needed to and should resign but part of the reason is the sheer idiocy of the American people - as we see on this thread- with people calling someone who one could better classify as somewhat lecherous as a sexual predator...
Grabbing an ass cheek is tantamount to rape? Wow
I fucking hate to think of all the men out there who have asked for a blow job using every reason they could think of to get one from an unwilling partner
And calling Al Franken a "piece of shit"? Wow. He definitely exhibited inappropriate behavior assuming the accounts are true as I have to think they are..but that is about it and you have to take a life in totality..
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Out on this thread..total waste of time..you have your scalp..feel superior now as you call him a sexual predator and piece of shit.
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Nobody is equating grabbing an ass cheek with rape, so lose the strawman.
That being said, one ass grabbing is a lapse of judgment. Eight instances over a decade is a pattern. Is this less bad than rape? Sure. Manslaughter is less bad than first degree murder, but both are homicides. Sorry you foreigners can't grasp the nuances.
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Just want to remind people that while we do not have a living breathing moderator body that has the testicular fortitude to ban the scourge on our community that is Hutch, we do have the block feature. Be the change you want to see in the world. I’ve been hutch free for months and it’s wonderful.
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It sounds like Hutch's wife won't give him a blow job.
Offer her a nice massage or scratch her back while you're having a Netflix night.
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Actually, the distinction does matter when we as a society mete out punishment for the guilty parties. Only a simpleton would think Moore should be in a better position at this point than Franken.
Nothing worse than agreeing with Space, but I do.
That's why there are different levels of felonies and misdemeanors.
I'm not saying it's not disgusting and not a crime, but when lumping in someone who takes racy photos or grabs an ass/breast vs. pedophile and rape, yeah, it's a pretty big difference.
Since we're drawing distinctions, technically, Moore is possibly a rapist, but not a pedophile. Still, far, far worse than what Franken did, imo. Not that I'm excusing Franken for his atrocious behavior.
Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
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only in Michigan... (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dana-nessel-campaign-ad_us_5a1f1116e4b0d52b8dc25af9)
but gotta say it's a hard case to argue
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5a1f1237140000196c50fe3d.png?cache=xtt10p2b2a&ops=1910_1000)
news is going so fast stuff like this just doesn't get noticed
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Mario Batali
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Ryan Lizza
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Ryan Lizza
Never heard of him. Is this someone famous or just one of your friends?
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NPR host Tom Ashbrook
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Ryan Lizza
Never heard of him. Is this someone famous or just one of your friends?
He is a pretty well known reporter.
Are you trying to say I am a groper and by extension so are my friends because I think that while what Al Franken did is wrong and he should have resigned he should not be lumped in with Moore and Weinstein?
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Ryan Lizza
Never heard of him. Is this someone famous or just one of your friends?
He is a pretty well known reporter.
Are you trying to say I am a groper and by extension so are my friends because I think that while what Al Franken did is wrong and he should have resigned he should not be lumped in with Moore and Weinstein?
Nope, not at all.
And I'm pretty sure i was someone who actually (somewhat) agreed with you in terms of the Franken vs. Moore/Weinstein distinction.
It would jsut be helpful to say "Reporter Ryan Lizza." I didn't know who Tom Ashbrook was, either. But I know he's an NPR guy thanks to GGW prefacing the name with the job title. I wonder if he's a friend of Relaxer?
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Larry King
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A bunch of NFL Network employees and former players (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/sports/marshall-faulk-nfl-network-sexual-harassment.html)
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Celebrity NYC Restaurateur Ken Friedman (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/dining/ken-friedman-sexual-harassment.html)
Head of the NYC Ballet (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/arts/dance/peter-martins-ballet-new-york-city-physical-abuse.html)
Netflix Exec Who Defended Netflix Star (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/netflix-exec-who-told-alleged-danny-masterson-victim-company-didnt-believe-claims-no-longer-employed/ar-BBGFnuP?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
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Tavis Smiley
the American dude judge on Great American Baking show.
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the super size me dude
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Oh
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Yesterday: GOP lawmaker accused of rape sings about baby Jesus at press conference before calling victim a liar (https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/gop-lawmaker-accused-of-rape-sings-about-baby-jesus-at-press-conference-before-calling-victim-a-liar/)
Today: Kentucky lawmaker who was accused of molesting a teenage girl likely killed himself, coroner says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/12/13/kentucky-lawmaker-who-was-accused-of-molesting-a-teenage-girl-likely-killed-himself-coroner-says/)
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/37162448/well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg)
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turning out pastry chef dude is a real creep
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Those cinnamon rolls, tho.
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The owner of the Charlotte Panthers.
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The reality is that probably a sizeable* of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)
The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out. All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.
Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment. And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.
*edited because the value I provided prior is arbitrary with no data to back it up.
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Men are pigs, yes . . . but what I find fascinating, is that, in the gay world, these types of overly sexual advances and acting like aggressive testosterone assholes, are the qualities from men they want.
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The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)
The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out. All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.
Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment. And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.
As someone who is basically quiet and shy, I personally would never have been that bold in my single days, but what exactly is so egregious and "creepy" about the behavior I bolded? It's certainly not sexual harassment. Is it possible the guy worked in the building and just happened to be pulling into his work parking lot and was taking the elevator to his workplace at 8:24am and was making small talk with a pretty woman he saw on the elevator? Are we going to make it a crime to ask someone you find attractive out?
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The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
Depends how you define "untoward" I guess.
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The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)
The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out. All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.
Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment. And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.
As someone who is basically quiet and shy, I personally would never have been that bold in my single days, but what exactly is so egregious and "creepy" about the behavior I bolded? It's certainly not sexual harassment. Is it possible the guy worked in the building and just happened to be pulling into his work parking lot and was taking the elevator to his workplace at 8:24am and was making small talk with a pretty woman he saw on the elevator? Are we going to make it a crime to ask someone you find attractive out?
"Some creepy fuck stranger"
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(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2017/12/20/20-meryl-streep-she-knew.w710.h473.jpg)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/meryl-streep-targeted-by-street-artists-with-she-knew-posters/ar-BBH2syk
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(https://www.artyfactory.com/art_appreciation/portraits/chuck_close/chuck-close-self-portrait.jpg)
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That's a fair question and one that I actually got when I was relaying this event to a male colleague.
This individual did not work in my building and had no business in the building. I was able to ascertain that very quickly when I sussed him out with a quick question to confirm this. In fact he told me he had seen me prior, presumably as he was driving down the street, and this time decided to quickly pull into the lot, park and jump out of his car to follow me when I was on the approach into the building and then hop the elevator with me.
I will add that he told me that he was riding with me to my floor to try to talk to me after the doors closed and I had no way to escape as the other floor was secured for another client and thus I could not exit until it hit my floor to which I hauled ass to my office and it's camera and locked door.
That creeped me out.
Does that help give more context?
The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)
The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out. All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.
Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment. And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.
As someone who is basically quiet and shy, I personally would never have been that bold in my single days, but what exactly is so egregious and "creepy" about the behavior I bolded? It's certainly not sexual harassment. Is it possible the guy worked in the building and just happened to be pulling into his work parking lot and was taking the elevator to his workplace at 8:24am and was making small talk with a pretty woman he saw on the elevator? Are we going to make it a crime to ask someone you find attractive out?
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It was improper of me to throw out that unsubstantiated 3/4 figure. I'll own that and correct that.
That said, you are correct, "untoward" has many meanings and can vary depending on the setting. And further to that, one person may consider the action harassment and another does not.
I'd just like to have an entire week where I walk to the office and it's entirely uneventful. That's my request to Santa this year.
The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
Depends how you define "untoward" I guess.
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That's a fair question and one that I actually got when I was relaying this event to a male colleague.
This individual did not work in my building and had no business in the building. I was able to ascertain that very quickly when I sussed him out with a quick question to confirm this. In fact he told me he had seen me prior, presumably as he was driving down the street, and this time decided to quickly pull into the lot, park and jump out of his car to follow me when I was on the approach into the building and then hop the elevator with me.
I will add that he told me that he was riding with me to my floor to try to talk to me after the doors closed and I had no way to escape as the other floor was secured for another client and thus I could not exit until it hit my floor to which I hauled ass to my office and it's camera and locked door.
That creeped me out.
Does that help give more context?
The reality is that probably at least 3/4 of the world's heterosexual have done something untoward a woman (straight, bi, trans, etc.)
At least 3 times a week, sometimes every workday, I have some asshole(s) beeping at me, hanging out of their vehicle yelling something obscene or flat out driving along the side of me trying to get my attention as I walk the 10 minutes from the metro to the office (I work in the suburbs and commute out from DC.)
The best this year? Some creepy fuck stranger pulled into the parking lot and go out of the car and walked in with me to the building, got on the elevator (open building unfortunately), tried to make small talk regarding Tom Petty's passing, and then decided to attempt to ask me out. All in the span of about 4 minutes. At 8.24 am on a Tuesday.
Now, my experiences do not compare at all with men or women who were victims of any sort of unwanted/unconsented physical/sexual activity. But it is a good example of every day harassment. And if these assholes are doing this, who knows what else they are doing.
As someone who is basically quiet and shy, I personally would never have been that bold in my single days, but what exactly is so egregious and "creepy" about the behavior I bolded? It's certainly not sexual harassment. Is it possible the guy worked in the building and just happened to be pulling into his work parking lot and was taking the elevator to his workplace at 8:24am and was making small talk with a pretty woman he saw on the elevator? Are we going to make it a crime to ask someone you find attractive out?
Wow, that *is*I creepy. Sorry that happened to you, and glad nothing more did.
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ben Vereen (https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/broadway-big-ben-vereen-accused-of-sexual-assault-during-hair/ar-BBHTEii?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
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Michael Douglas
James Franco
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Michael Douglas
James Franco
My wife said, "I think he's gay anyway, but if James Franco hit on me, I'd be fine with it."
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Does your wife, have to be wearing a black dress, as she allows, and enjoys a man to sexually harass her?
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Post reporter Joel Achenbach suspended for 90 days for ‘inappropriate workplace conduct’ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/post-reporter-joel-achenbach-suspended-for-90-days-for-inappropriate-workplace-conduct/2018/01/10/5fae0f4a-f645-11e7-a9e3-ab18ce41436a_story.html?utm_term=.88afad48dfd4)
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Michael Douglas
James Franco
My wife said, "I think he's gay anyway, but if James Franco hit on me, I'd be fine with it."
i'm assuming that it takes more than hitting on someone to make the headlines, so the question becomes: would she be ok if franco stuck his hand down her pants, uninvited? what if he told her that she needed to sleep with him to keep her job? what if he did some other inappropriate act then threatened her if she ever told anyone? inquiring minds want to know...
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Michael Douglas
James Franco
My wife said, "I think he's gay anyway, but if James Franco hit on me, I'd be fine with it."
i'm assuming that it takes more than hitting on someone to make the headlines, so the question becomes: would she be ok if franco stuck his hand down her pants, uninvited? what if he told her that she needed to sleep with him to keep her job? what if he did some other inappropriate act then threatened her if she ever told anyone? inquiring minds want to know...
I can't answer those questions but she did say she's "with Catherine Deneuve" and that women to some degree need to let "men be men as long as they're not doing any raping and if not James Franco, at least maybe my (sick as a dog for the past week) husband would hit on me."
Which I guess means if I don't get killed at the Cracker show tonight, I guess I should be a little flirty even if I feel like shit.
Sorry if that's TMI. Teleworking and barrel aged stout intermingling this afternoon.
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Just be careful of flying bottles, man.
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For some reason, every time I think of James, I think of him getting blow jobs. And, it disturbs me.
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Aziz Ansari
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Aziz Ansari
This one, is going to backfire big time, and kill the movement that is known as me too. It already, has.
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As long as men are thinking with their dicks and not brains this will continue...maybe under changing names...the overreach is unfortunate but so was the underreach for the entirety of humankind
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For some reason, every time I think of James, I think of him getting blow jobs. And, it disturbs me.
But isn't giving even more fun than receiving?
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Seal
https://pitchfork.com/news/seal-under-investigation-for-forcible-kissing-and-groping-report/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video
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For some reason, every time I think of James, I think of him getting blow jobs. And, it disturbs me.
But isn't giving even more fun than receiving?
no, comment.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTr4MXGXkAIj9yS.jpg)
h/t @PulpLibrarian
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David Cop-A-Feel:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/david-copperfield-accused-of-drugging-assaulting-17-year-old-model-in-1988-exclusive/ar-AAv8lMC?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.html
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Chachi (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/scott-baio-denies-he-molested-nicole-eggert-when-she-was-14/ar-BBIjSbQ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
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Aziz Ansari
This one, is going to backfire big time, and kill the movement that is known as me too. It already, has.
I posted this, but I still don't understand what happened with this one. Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?
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Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?
You'd have to read her account to fully understand the nebulous and controversial nature of this allegation fully.
Her account has (1) Aziz stopping when she says stop, (2) Aziz offering and getting her transportation when she requested to leave, and (3) no mention of her ever saying she did not want to engage in oral sex. Her account also features her texting Aziz the next day and saying (paraphrase) "after thinking about it, I did not want to have oral sex and despite me not saying that and going along you should've intuited that from my body language" after which Aziz expressed shock and regret over this. Her account also spends an inordinate amount of time on Aziz pouring her a glass of red wine without first asking her if she'd prefer white wine.
For the record, I think Aziz Ansari is a totally talentless individual who is annoying and would work at a Burger King if he were Caucasian. I also think he is probably a sleezeball sexually.
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Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?
You'd have to read her account to fully understand the nebulous and controversial nature of this allegation fully.
Her account has (1) Aziz stopping when she says stop, (2) Aziz offering and getting her transportation when she requested to leave, and (3) no mention of her ever saying she did not want to engage in oral sex. Her account also features her texting Aziz the next day and saying (paraphrase) "after thinking about it, I did not want to have oral sex and despite me not saying that and going along you should've intuited that from my body language" after which Aziz expressed shock and regret over this. Her account also spends an inordinate amount of time on Aziz pouring her a glass of red wine without first asking her if she'd prefer white wine.
For the record, I think Aziz Ansari is a totally talentless individual who is annoying and would work at a Burger King if he were Caucasian. I also think he is probably a sleezeball sexually.
Thanks,
I agree that he is pretty talentless. I disagree and say that he would be working in IT somewhere if he were Caucasian. Though maybe he is not that smart. I have no idea how he is sexually though I would not want to have sex with him. Not that all Indian or Pakistani guys are unfunny or unsexy. I think Kal Penn is funny, Naveen Andrews is sexy, and the guy from the Big Sick is the perfect combination of both.
But anyway, enough of what I think. The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
My o
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The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
He performed oral sex on her and then asked her to reciprocate which she did "but not for long" before she said she didn't want to and he said "cool, its only fun if its fun for both of us."
Then he did a lot of super-pervy, not romantic, horny 18 year old stuff like asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and making a V with his fingers and licking them until she asked to leave at which point he called her a car.
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The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
He performed oral sex on her and then asked her to reciprocate which she did "but not for long" before she said she didn't want to and he said "cool, its only fun if its fun for both of us."
Then he did a lot of super-pervy, not romantic, horny 18 year old stuff like asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and making a V with his fingers and licking them until she asked to leave at which point he called her a car.
Did she have an orgasm from the oral sex that he gave her?
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Aziz Ansari
This one, is going to backfire big time, and kill the movement that is known as me too. It already, has.
I posted this, but I still don't understand what happened with this one. Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?
Aziz Ansari is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html)
Best line in this NY Times Op-Ed:
"If you are hanging out naked with a man, it's safe to assume he is going to try to have sex with you"
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Aziz Ansari
This one, is going to backfire big time, and kill the movement that is known as me too. It already, has.
I posted this, but I still don't understand what happened with this one. Can someone please explain what happened with Aziz Ansari to this rather dull married guy who was too timid to ever harass anybody?
Aziz Ansari is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html)
Best line in this NY Times Op-Ed:
"If you are hanging out naked with a man, it's safe to assume he is going to try to have sex with you"
Am I missing something or did that rather long Times article not mention that they had mutual oral sex?
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The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
He performed oral sex on her and then asked her to reciprocate which she did "but not for long" before she said she didn't want to and he said "cool, its only fun if its fun for both of us."
Then he did a lot of super-pervy, not romantic, horny 18 year old stuff like asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and making a V with his fingers and licking them until she asked to leave at which point he called her a car.
Did she have an orgasm from the oral sex that he gave her?
You know, she did not make that real clear. I'll ask.
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The one question that for me remains unanswered is who gave oral sex to who? Did he give it to her? Did she give it to him? Did they give it to each other? If he was the receiver, why didn't he offer to reciprocate? If that is the case, if I were a woman and a guy did that to me, I'd be pretty pissed too.
He performed oral sex on her and then asked her to reciprocate which she did "but not for long" before she said she didn't want to and he said "cool, its only fun if its fun for both of us."
Then he did a lot of super-pervy, not romantic, horny 18 year old stuff like asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and making a V with his fingers and licking them until she asked to leave at which point he called her a car.
Did she have an orgasm from the oral sex that he gave her?
You know, she did not make that real clear. I'll ask.
I mean, if she consented to receiving oral, and was into it to the point of getting an orgasm, and he didn't force her to do anything else, what is she complaining about? How old is this woman?
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I just went back and read the original article.
https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355
He's a douche.
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I mean, if she consented to receiving oral, and was into it to the point of getting an orgasm, and he didn't force her to do anything else, what is she complaining about?
She is complaining about his extremely boorish behavior including getting a mirror out of the bedroom and positioning it so she could see him pantomine rear-entry sex while asking "where do you want me to fuck you" and kissing her "aggressively."
How old is this woman?
23 or 24.
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He's a douche.
Agreed. The kerfuffle seems to be many people think his behavior rises to the level of rape/sexual assault and others think its just terrible, boorish, douchey (non-criminal) sex.
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He's a douche.
Agreed. The kerfuffle seems to be many people think his behavior rises to the level of rape/sexual assault and others think its just terrible, boorish, douchey (non-criminal) sex.
For such an ugly guy, he sure is a cocky, confident SOB. Not that such boorish behavior is acceptable from handsome dudes either.
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He's a douche.
Agreed. The kerfuffle seems to be many people think his behavior rises to the level of rape/sexual assault and others think its just terrible, boorish, douchey (non-criminal) sex.
based on my understanding of the kerfuffle, you seem to have missed the point. to be fair, the point here is that women and men view things very differently, in large part due to cultural norms and expectations (aka upbringing). so men saying "i don't get what these women are complaining about" is almost to be expected, since they're men and not women.
the #metoo movement pointed out how women, even powerful hollywood leading women, can be subjected to sexual harassment and assault; and society has covered for these men.
a step below this, but still on the spectrum of inequality of the sexes, is how women are treated in new sexual relationships - again, due to cultural norms and expectations (aka upbringing). the message in the ansari case isn't that he committed a crime. he didn't. the message is that women don't have the same leeway in skipping out of an awkward sexual situation (for men to simple-mindedly say "well why didn't she leave?" is showing your privilege and lack of empathy). hell, even what constitutes "bad sex" isn't nearly the same (http://theweek.com/articles/749978/female-price-male-pleasure) for men and women. here's another good read (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aziz-ansari-sex-violating-but-not-criminal_us_5a5e445de4b0106b7f65b346?z) on the subject. please read through those two links for a better explanation.
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I generally like Andrew Sullivan, but how is he in any position to comment on male/female sexual relations?
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the message in the ansari case isn't that he committed a crime. he didn't.
The message in the initial expose is very much that he committed a crime.
the message is that women don't have the same leeway in skipping out of an awkward sexual situation (for men to simple-mindedly say "well why didn't she leave?" is showing your privilege and lack of empathy).
Agreed. But this specific woman in her specific accounting of events had absolute leeway to skip out of this awkward sexual situation. She is not without agency.
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Tarantino says Polanski is innocent. Drugged 13-year old girl was, "down with it." (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/quentin-tarantino’s-2003-defense-of-roman-polanski-rediscovered/ar-BBIKKgo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
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13-year old girl was, "down with it." (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/quentin-tarantino’s-2003-defense-of-roman-polanski-rediscovered/ar-BBIKKgo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
But was she "hip"?
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It became apparent a long time ago that Tarantino is an idiot who got lucky....put it this way: he is no woody allen
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The Flying Tomato (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/14/after-winning-gold-medal-shaun-white-dodges-questions-about-2016-sexual-harassment-suit/?utm_term=.25a1bd57f6d4)
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Mike Isabella
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/celebrity-chef-mike-isabella-is-sued-for-extraordinary-sexual-harassment/2018/03/19/4cc47bf4-27a4-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html
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Steven Seagall.
Hey Julian, was he on your list? Seems like he should have been.
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Steven Seagall.
Hey Julian, was he on your list? Seems like he should have been.
No, but I had Steven the Sea Gull the mascot of the local Captain D's knockoff from my hometown when I was a young boy. . .
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Mike Isabella
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/celebrity-chef-mike-isabella-is-sued-for-extraordinary-sexual-harassment/2018/03/19/4cc47bf4-27a4-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html
Surprise, that guy is a fat f'n tool.
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Upcoming predictions unless this 15 minutes of news cycle has already moved on from sexual harassment.
Ryan Seacrest
Simon Cowell
Randy Jackson
Jeff Probst
One down.
http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/ryan-seacrest-sexual-abuse-allegations-stylist-details-1202710460/
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Fred Savage
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^ winnie has been holding on to that secret for a long time
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Mork from Ork
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Read Molly Ringwald's essay (https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/what-about-the-breakfast-club-molly-ringwald-metoo-john-hughes-pretty-in-pink)about her work with John Hughes. Sharp as a tack.
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https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/05/boyd-tinsley-misconduct-allegations/