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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: squidpants on September 29, 2005, 10:53:00 am
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I don't know if this has been covered before, but I hadn't been to the 930 club in a few months - $6 for a smallish cup of Yuengling is ridiculous. I can understand it for Old Rasputin or Raison D'Etre (or maybe they're more, still understand that), and even for Wolavers, but not Yuengling, and especially not in the small cup. Even $6 fot a bottle of Y is crazy. Is the club losing money or something? I can think of no other reason for it.
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Ah yes....good old Yuengling. The beer that claims to be DC's only local beer, yet brewed in PA and has a name like it should only be available in a chinese restaurant.
Not a bad beer, but does make one's rudies rather smelly....not unlike good old smelly bottom, aka foggy bottom, or is it the same stuff branded differently?
...and don't even get me started on the price of beer in the club! Try a can of Boddies!
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I hear ya. I think prices just went up recently -- a bottle of Heineken is $6, and that is too much (don't ask me why, I can live with $5, which is still $6 after all....)
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Energy crisis?
Inflation?
Kinda makes one nostalgic...for Nixon.
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I'm saving for one. Perhaps in 2007...
Funny sight is Celeste and I drinking a four pack of Boddington's at a NASCAR race each year....one time C was eating a sandwich with avocado is it at a NASCAR race, and this redneck leans back and asks, "What's that green stuff in your sandwich?" When C tells him, he says to his friend, "See, I told you so."
Sorry, I digress.
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
...and don't even get me started on the price of beer in the club! Try a can of Boddies!
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The thought of Celeste and yourself at a NASCAR event drinking Boddies almost brought a tear to my eye.....but not in a weird way.
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why not get loaded in the parking lot like i do... oh wait nevermind...
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I was thinking about this at the White Stripes show at Merriweather...since i had been to Oriole Park, 930 and Merriweather all this past week, i thought i would compare
930: $6 for a 12oz beer
Oriole Park: $5 for a 16oz cup, $6 for a 24oz cup of beer
Merriweather: $7 for a 24oz beer
930 is more expensive than the baseball game???
now, i see that prices are different depending on which KIND of beer you choose, for instance, at 24oz Corona at MPP is $10, but some of us dont always care what kind of beer they drink all the time.
is there a beer that is like $4 at the club? or is everything just $6 across the board?
its really one of the reasons i dont go very much, perhaps I am just not ordering the right drink :)
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
why not get loaded in the parking lot like i do... oh wait nevermind...
yeah, that beer bong came in real handy at the mall parking lot, kosmo...thanks!!!!
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I asked what was cheaper, and it was only Bud, Bud Light, and Miller, or one of those other big breweries.
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Yeah, I noticed the price increase at the Sufjan show. Not a big fan...
Stellas are now $6. I think domestics like Miller and Bud used to be $4. Not sure how much they are now.
Merriweather's got a good deal - 24oz Stella for $8 :D
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Originally posted by squidpants:
I asked what was cheaper, and it was only Bud, Bud Light, and Miller, or one of those other big breweries.
How much?
It's interesting -- that price jump has actually caused a demand response on my end. I'll drink less at the club. During the week I usually have a couple beers just because I'm there and it's a club, now I'll have one or zero. And weekends -- more drinking at DC9!
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Originally posted by Bags:
It's interesting -- that price jump has actually caused a demand response on my end. I'll drink less at the club. During the week I usually have a couple beers just because I'm there and it's a club, now I'll have one or zero. And weekends -- more drinking at DC9!
yeah, at OLP i bought 3 beers for me and my two friends, and spent $60!!! I spent $63 on the 3 tickets to get in! :)
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Wow, what a deal!!!
I had a pitcher of Guinness in a yuppie part of Seattle for $9.
DC sucks ass.
Originally posted by amnesiac:
used to be $4. Not sure how much they are now.
Merriweather's got a good deal - 24oz Stella for $8 :D
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Originally posted by Bags:
How much?
I think it was 5, maybe 4? whatever it was, it wasn't worth it.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Wow, what a deal!!!
I had a pitcher of Guinness in a yuppie part of Seattle for $9.
DC sucks ass.
Originally posted by amnesiac:
used to be $4. Not sure how much they are now.
Merriweather's got a good deal - 24oz Stella for $8 :D
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For fear of sounding elitist...but a real drinking establishment would never serve Guiness by the pitcher....unless the customer was going to drink it directly from the pitcher of course.
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my favorite bar back home had $1.50 22 oz michael shays all the time. pittsburgh wins
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Wow, what a deal!!!
I had a pitcher of Guinness in a yuppie part of Seattle for $9.
DC sucks ass.
Originally posted by amnesiac:
used to be $4. Not sure how much they are now.
Merriweather's got a good deal - 24oz Stella for $8 :D
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my favorite bar back home had $1.50 22 oz michael shays all the time. pittsburgh wins
that wouldn't happen to be denny's, would it?
although michael o'sheas ain't that good and should be just $1.50. o'sheas is to killian's as busch is to budweiser. and they all = bad.
aren't the plastic cups used for drafts the same size as the glass pints. they just look smaller because the glass is thicker?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
my favorite bar back home had $1.50 22 oz michael shays all the time. pittsburgh wins
well, that's never going to happen at 930 club ... i think $4 domestic and $5 import is reasonable though ... anything more is really pushing it, this isn't eighteenth street lounge or something
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by squidpants:
I asked what was cheaper, and it was only Bud, Bud Light, and Miller, or one of those other big breweries.
How much?
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Bud Light on tap is $5.
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9:30 Forum: Ticket prices are too high!
9:30 Club: Ok, we'll raise beer prices so that the price of tickets can stay down.
9:30 Forum: Beer prices are too high!
9:30 Club: We can't win.
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Originally posted by LonnieBeale:
my favorite bar back home had $1.50 22 oz michael shays all the time. pittsburgh wins
that wouldn't happen to be denny's, would it?
although michael o'sheas ain't that good and should be just $1.50. o'sheas is to killian's as busch is to budweiser. and they all = bad.
aren't the plastic cups used for drafts the same size as the glass pints. they just look smaller because the glass is thicker? [/b]
they had the same deal on yuengling, miller light, and iron/ic light, if i remember correctly. and it was dee's cafe, between 13th and 14th and carson, i do believe
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Who claims Yeungling is local?
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Be nice to your bartenders, tip well, don't be impatient, and I think you'll find yourself paying less for beers. I know my bar bill is usually less than what it should be and it's not just the 930 that does that.
Then again, maybe I'm getting some kind of volume discount which comes from drinking eight beers per night ;)
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I dunno, I don't think you should have to be buddies with the bartenders to get a decent price. Not that you should be a jerk either, but you know what I mean. I always tip $1 a beer, which i think is fair, and I don't expect them to give me a deal or whatever. $6 for Yuengling is just too much.
And to the other guy, I think ticket prices are fair, for the most part. And that probably depends on the band more than the club, right? $6 Yueng and $5 crappy stuff just means less beer for me, or more drinking at home before I go. Thus less money for them.
Originally posted by xcanuck:
Be nice to your bartenders, tip well, don't be impatient, and I think you'll find yourself paying less for beers. I know my bar bill is usually less than what it should be and it's not just the 930 that does that.
Then again, maybe I'm getting some kind of volume discount which comes from drinking eight beers per night ;)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
9:30 Forum: Ticket prices are too high!
9:30 Club: Ok, we'll raise beer prices so that the price of tickets can stay down.
9:30 Forum: Beer prices are too high!
9:30 Club: We can't win.
That's not true for me at all...I've never complained about ticket prices (especially as I believe the high ones are due to the artists, not the club). I understand it's a business, and they have revenue requirements.
And if you call it complaining about beer prices, then I'm complaining. But a $5 bud draft is too high, so I won't whine, but I won't drink (as much) either.
Originally posted by xcanuck:
Be nice to your bartenders, tip well, don't be impatient, and I think you'll find yourself paying less for beers. I know my bar bill is usually less than what it should be and it's not just the 930 that does that.
That's happened to you at the club?? Never happened to me upstairs, downstairs or back bar, and there are shows I've purchased far over 10 drinks (not all for me, so don't bother chiming in Xavier) adn months I've been to the club as many as 10 times. Guess that only comes from missing half a show chatting with the 'tender. :p
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Originally posted by vansmack:
9:30 Forum: Ticket prices are too high!
9:30 Club: Ok, we'll raise beer prices so that the price of tickets can stay down.
9:30 Forum: Beer prices are too high!
9:30 Club: We can't win.
win? as in make money? or make everyone happy? cause i dont think anyone's goal is the latter...
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
Be nice to your bartenders, tip well, don't be impatient, and I think you'll find yourself paying less for beers. I know my bar bill is usually less than what it should be and it's not just the 930 that does that.
Also make sure you go back to the same bartender every time. I don't think I've ever gotten a free drink at 9:30, but I'm sure they've gotten me my drinks quickly when it wasn't really my turn yet. Sometimes that's more important than saving a couple bucks.
The Black Cat bartenders tend to give me discounted or free drinks all the time though.
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without stating the obvious...
a couple solutions to consider, wait for the next 9:30 club gift card promotion, which in the past has given more bang for one's buck with free bonus cards with purchase. the gift cards can be used to buy tickets or beverages
secondly doesn't the club have "happy hour pricing" in the backbar after a show... shadrach or thatguy will know
if the cost of drinks in the club is such concern one can always drive to see a band play in another city where the drinks are cheaper, but i'm thinking in the end you end up spending a lot of money trying to save a few bucks on a couple of drinks.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
if the cost of drinks in the club is such concern one can always drive to see a band play in another city where the drinks are cheaper, but i'm thinking in the end you end up spending a lot of money trying to save a few bucks on a couple of drinks.
or if you live in Baltimore, just see shows up here and pay less for drinks, less for gas, less time getting to and from the show!!! woohoo!! :)
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
if the cost of drinks in the club is such concern one can always drive to see a band play in another city where the drinks are cheaper, but i'm thinking in the end you end up spending a lot of money trying to save a few bucks on a couple of drinks.
Yeah, since 9:30 and Sonar seem to be getting alot of similar shows, I think I'll be choosing Sonar more often. Last time I was there I think I remember the prices being lower than 9:30's old prices.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
if the cost of drinks in the club is such concern one can always drive to see a band play in another city where the drinks are cheaper, but i'm thinking in the end you end up spending a lot of money trying to save a few bucks on a couple of drinks.
Or get a job that pays more than six bucks an hour. :roll:
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
if the cost of drinks in the club is such concern one can always drive to see a band play in another city where the drinks are cheaper, but i'm thinking in the end you end up spending a lot of money trying to save a few bucks on a couple of drinks.
Or get a job that pays more than six bucks an hour. :roll: [/b]
then we can get a fat paycheck like you?
will that make us republican?
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
The Black Cat bartenders tend to give me discounted or free drinks all the time though.
One Black Cat bartender in particular tends to give me really strong mixed drinks in pint glasses :eek:
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
then we can get a fat paycheck like you?
will that make us republican? [/QB]
I wouldn't know. But how did I know my good buddy would be the first to respond? :p
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
without stating the obvious...
a couple solutions to consider, wait for the next 9:30 club gift card promotion, which in the past has given more bang for one's buck with free bonus cards with purchase. the gift cards can be used to buy tickets or beverages
That is a fantastic idea. I tried to get one and it was such a pain in the arse to get I just gave up.
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Oh yeah, great idea. (Still) overpriced beer, after the freaking show is over.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
secondly doesn't the club have "happy hour pricing" in the backbar after a show... shadrach or thatguy will know
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Correction, it was $8 a pitcher.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Wow, what a deal!!!
I had a pitcher of Guinness in a yuppie part of Seattle for $9.
DC sucks ass.
Originally posted by amnesiac:
used to be $4. Not sure how much they are now.
Merriweather's got a good deal - 24oz Stella for $8 :D
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i think $4 domestic and $5 import is reasonable though ...[/QB][/QUOTE]
Apparently Yuengling is an import. I never understood that.
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Moral of the story: 9:30 Club is always perfect, and should never be questioned.
Originally posted by vansmack:
9:30 Forum: Ticket prices are too high!
9:30 Club: Ok, we'll raise beer prices so that the price of tickets can stay down.
9:30 Forum: Beer prices are too high!
9:30 Club: We can't win.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
then we can get a fat paycheck like you?
will that make us republican? [/b]
I wouldn't know. But how did I know my good buddy would be the first to respond? :p [/QB]
i wouldnt want to disappoint.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
if the cost of drinks in the club is such concern one can always drive to see a band play in another city where the drinks are cheaper, but i'm thinking in the end you end up spending a lot of money trying to save a few bucks on a couple of drinks.
eh, come on kosmo, i know you're being snarky, but we talk about all sorts of stupid shit on here, i think bitching about high beer prices (and they are pretty damn high) is a pretty valid complaint
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uh it's like complaining about ticket prices and convience charges... if one doesn't like them don't pay them... last time i checked we live in a capitolistic system, it's much easier to vote with the buck in the long run...
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This just in:
President Bush has issued a statement saying "If you drink less beer at the 930 Club, you will not have to worry so much about the rising price of alcoholic beverages"
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Services charges are something you can't really get away from, but beer prices going up, especially to beyond normal levels, is definitely worth complaining about.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
uh it's like complaining about ticket prices and convience charges... if one doesn't like them don't pay them... last time i checked we live in a capitolistic system, it's much easier to vote with the buck in the long run...
yeah!!! and leave the 930 club to those of us that enjoy paying 50 cents for an ounce of beer!
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I was just wondering what took so long with the Bush comment on this thread. Great timing I might add. :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
This just in:
President Bush has issued a statement saying "If you drink less beer at the 930 Club, you will not have to worry so much about the rising price of alcoholic beverages"
Post of the week!!!!
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I was just wondering what took so long with the Bush comment on this thread. Great timing I might add. :)
shouldn't you be listening to Rush Limbaugh right now?
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Originally posted by BrnAgnTaper:
Apparently Yuengling is an import. I never understood that.
Well, usually micros and imports are priced the same, so I think that's why Yeungling is getting that pricetag. Even though they're one of the cheaper micros - a six of Yeungling costs about the same as a six of any of the big breweries
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ok... so i'm being a bit cold hearted, but since i don't drink it's of little concern to moi...
since Seth, etc check in on this board an explanation maybe on offer for the price changes... but it probably wont make anyone happier
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I was just wondering if we need to pull up the 'Hey Seth' thread...
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
shouldn't you be listening to Rush Limbaugh right now? [/QB]
I have no idea what he talks about.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
ok... so i'm being a bit cold hearted, but since i don't drink it's of little concern to moi...
since Seth, etc check in on this board an explanation maybe on offer for the price changes... but it probably wont make anyone happier
I already know his response.....It's extra money for the trip he's about to take. I believe that's along the lines of what he wrote last time.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
shouldn't you be listening to Rush Limbaugh right now? [/b]
I have no idea what he talks about. [/QB]
You just repeat it without understanding it? That sounds like a republican to me, and you keep saying your not.
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Originally posted by hostiledm:
You just repeat it without understanding it? That sounds like a republican to me, and you keep saying your not. [/QB]
How can I repeat it if I've never heard it....Boy, your a smart one Ms. hostiledm.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by hostiledm:
You just repeat it without understanding it? That sounds like a republican to me, and you keep saying your not. [/b]
How can I repeat it if I've never heard it....Boy, your a smart one Ms. hostiledm. [/QB]
just make it up as you go along!!! thats all he does!
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Rather be a Ms. than a GeeBoy.
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Originally posted by hostiledm:
Rather be a Ms. than a GeeBoy.
That makes alot of sense. :roll:
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Ah yes....good old Yuengling. The beer that claims to be DC's only local beer, yet brewed in PA and has a name like it should only be available in a chinese restaurant.
Not a bad beer, but does make one's rudies rather smelly....not unlike good old smelly bottom, aka foggy bottom, or is it the same stuff branded differently?
...and don't even get me started on the price of beer in the club! Try a can of Boddies!
My last can of Boddies in the club $7.00
My last FOUR PACK purchased at Total Beverage-
Between $6.00-7.00........I'll just get pissed in the parking lot from now on,thanks....
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Originally posted by amnesiac:
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
The Black Cat bartenders tend to give me discounted or free drinks all the time though.
One Black Cat bartender in particular tends to give me really strong mixed drinks in pint glasses :eek: [/b]
I made friends with a certiain black cat bartender quite some time ago, and even though he doesn't remember my name, no matter how much i drink he always says my tab is $2. And I can often drink for free or real cheap at DC9. So, I simply don't drink at 930 anymore. Maybe a coke. Does kinda suck.
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solution: pop pills! no trips to the bathroom!
or, bring little airline bottles of liquor and buy sodas @$1.50. they even have those drink bag u wear on yer back when biking. make a buddy be the drink carrier for the night.
at big concerts getting beer sucks, long lines at bathroom between bands and $6/beer. pfff
the prices for drinks is ridiculous. i think in large part bc dc is getting very gentrified and pricey an all estabs know there's more money to be made.
i definitely drink with my limit being based on money. so when out i buy the "shit" no not the good shit like blak cat calls it. if i say bud or PBR im guaranteed to get the cheapest, so i ask for it not bc i likek it. i can have the good stuff at home, like stella.
god, u cant even hear a good gunshot in the distance anymore unless u r well east of 9th st. whats this city coming to?!
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Originally posted by Jonas Grumby:
My last can of Boddies in the club $7.00
My last FOUR PACK purchased at Total Beverage-
Between $6.00-7.00........I'll just get pissed in the parking lot from now on,thanks....
come on now, you can't compare prices in a club to takeaways
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pop pills! no trips to the bathroom! :eek: seriously, i hav done this
or, bring little airline bottles of liquor and buy sodas @$1.50.
they even have those drink bags u wear on yer back when biking. make a buddy be the drink carrier for the night.
at big concerts getting beer sucks, long lines at bathroom between bands and $6[?]/beer. pfff
the prices for drinks is ridiculous. i think in large part bc dc is getting very gentrified and pricey an all estabs know there's more money to be made. god, u cant even hear a good gunshot in the distance anymore unless u r well east of 9th st. whats this city coming to?!
i definitely drink with my limit being based on money. so when out i buy the "shit" no not the good shit like blak cat calls it. if i say bud or PBR im guaranteed to get the cheapest, so i ask for it not bc i likek it. i can have the good stuff at home, like stella.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
since Seth, etc check in on this board an explanation maybe on offer for the price changes... but it probably wont make anyone happier
Seth said his Mrs. needed a new car a couple months ago. Thank you all of you who bought beer in the past week.
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Originally posted by redsock:
I made friends with a certiain black cat bartender quite some time ago, and even though he doesn't remember my name, no matter how much i drink he always says my tab is $2.
did you give him a "redsock"?
he woulda remembered your name then!!!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
without stating the obvious...
a couple solutions to consider, wait for the next 9:30 club gift card promotion, which in the past has given more bang for one's buck with free bonus cards with purchase. the gift cards can be used to buy tickets or beverages
secondly doesn't the club have "happy hour pricing" in the backbar after a show... shadrach or thatguy will know
if the cost of drinks in the club is such concern one can always drive to see a band play in another city where the drinks are cheaper, but i'm thinking in the end you end up spending a lot of money trying to save a few bucks on a couple of drinks.
Kosmo, you're my 9:30 Club guru, but I have some points...
Good idea on the gift card, but that's only been happening once a year (Valentine's Day) -- I got a $500 card, and it was gone in two transactions. Oy. (I'm not cryin', I bought a lot of tickets for me and my friends...).
A for the Back Bar happy hour, during the week, after the show I'm outta there. And on the weekend, it's quite late and I'll probably head somewhere else, but something to think about. However, point is, I want some drinks before and during the band specifically. If it's just plain old drinking I want to do, there are a bunch of places to go.
I'm not ready to boycott the club, gods know, but there will be a mini bags boycott of beer.
Have mixed drinks gone up in price as well?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Jonas Grumby:
My last can of Boddies in the club $7.00
My last FOUR PACK purchased at Total Beverage-
Between $6.00-7.00........I'll just get pissed in the parking lot from now on,thanks....
come on now, you can't compare prices in a club to takeaways [/b]
I just think that is one helluva markup! And the price I gave is the retail price I paid, which is higher than the wholesale price that the bar pays! Do the math......I don't begrudge anyone a healthy profit,I used to run a restaurant/bar in Manhatten.....but,damn!.......
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Originally posted by redsock:
I made friends with a certiain black cat bartender quite some time ago, and even though he doesn't remember my name, no matter how much i drink he always says my tab is $2. And I can often drink for free or real cheap at DC9. So, I simply don't drink at 930 anymore. Maybe a coke. Does kinda suck.
I'm doing something wrong, very wrong. I never get free drinks or 'discounts' on my tab anywhere. Woe is me. :(
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What are y'all gonna tip now? I got charged $6 last week for each bottle and couldn't figure out what to tip: %15 of 6 is another $1; but the barkeep is just popping a bottle cap no differently than if it were a reasonable $3. $1 tip for a guy to pop a cap seems extravagant. So I defiantly only left .50 a beer as usual
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You cheap bastard. That's how they make their livelihood.
Originally posted by edbert:
What are y'all gonna tip now? I got charged $6 last week for each bottle and couldn't figure out what to tip: %15 of 6 is another $1; but the barkeep is just popping a bottle cap no differently than if it were a reasonable $3. $1 tip for a guy to pop a cap seems extravagant. So I defiantly only left .50 a beer as usual
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its not bartenders fault the prices r hi, so dont screw him/her. like breakfast wait staff who if got tipped on cost of food wouldnt make sh*t...i tip a fixed amount per effort made, not price. its silly to tip solely and always on price, price varies but effort is a constant.
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Originally posted by edbert:
What are y'all gonna tip now?
i rarely pay cash, i just get my tab and tip %20
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I still do one buck a bottle. Not that anybody cares.
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Changing the tip is not the way to protest -- dont' forget, waitstaff and bartenders make BELOW minimum wage based on an assumption they're being tipped. And bartenders at a place like 9:30 likely have to deal with a lot of jerks, I can only imagine.
Okay, so you can't figure out how much more the additional $1 pricetag would warrant, but why would you lessen your tip instead? Keep it at $1/beer and that should be fine (I would think -- anyone think differently?).
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THere's a joke in there somewhere...
;) Originally posted by Bags:
[QB] And bartenders at a place like 9:30 likely have to deal with a lot of jerks, I can only imagine.
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do you guys really thing the 930 prices are out of wack with similar clubs in other large cities? cause i dont
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
do you guys really thing the 930 prices are out of wack with similar clubs in other large cities? cause i dont
certainly not NYC ... irving plaza is absurdly expensive ... but it is out of wack with similar DC venues
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
do you guys really thing the 930 prices are out of wack with similar clubs in other large cities? cause i dont
certainly not NYC ... irving plaza is absurdly expensive ... but it is out of wack with similar DC venues [/b]
the Hammerstein Ballroom is cheaper than 930, but its a fucking cash only bar, and theres NO ATM in the whole building. and no sign warning of this upon entry.
:mad:
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It's more than most venues in and around DC, and I'm pretty sure the Trocadero and TLA in Philly have cheaper beers. I remember not being surprised last time I went to them both.
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ok poor suggestion on the gift card, although i did got mine around xmas time once... and as i said i don't drink so it's no worry of mine.
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<talking out my ass>Does the DC tax rate of 10% factor into the price of drinks?</talking out my ass>
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Originally posted by squidpants:
It's more than most venues in and around DC, and I'm pretty sure the Trocadero and TLA in Philly have cheaper beers. I remember not being surprised last time I went to them both.
ahh, but you have to deal with random philly drinking laws/regs. i was at the magnet show last year at the troc, and main floor was cash only, upstairs accepted cards (wait, as i think about it, i think they were only serving alcohol upstairs). in any event, the very next night, both upstairs and downstairs bars were serving and accepted cards. was at the flaming lips show at electric factory, and you could only drink in this roped off area at the side of the venue.
as for prices. . i don't really remember.
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in pittsburgh you could only drink in the roped off areas for all ages shows. have no idea why they change it nightly in philly
see, back home normal was $2 for a bottle of yuengling. at the clubs it was $4. so twice as much. dc is at least $3.50, so $6 seems about right to me
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I disagree, I've never had a $6 Yuengling at a show in DC before. I'm pretty sure it wasn't $6 last time I was there, which wasn't that long ago.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about $2 for a Yuengling. I can get a 12 pack at Giant for $7.99. Is it $2 if I only buy an individual bottle?
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is that a "squid" in your "pants" or are u just happy to see me
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
I'm not sure what you're talking about $2 for a Yuengling. I can get a 12 pack at Giant for $7.99. Is it $2 if I only buy an individual bottle?
sorry, $2 a bottle at a regular run of the mill, nonclub bar. didn't make that clear
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by squidpants:
It's more than most venues in and around DC, and I'm pretty sure the Trocadero and TLA in Philly have cheaper beers. I remember not being surprised last time I went to them both.
ahh, but you have to deal with random philly drinking laws/regs. i was at the magnet show last year at the troc, and main floor was cash only, upstairs accepted cards (wait, as i think about it, i think they were only serving alcohol upstairs). in any event, the very next night, both upstairs and downstairs bars were serving and accepted cards. was at the flaming lips show at electric factory, and you could only drink in this roped off area at the side of the venue.
as for prices. . i don't really remember. [/b]
PA has some weird laws. I know at an all ages show at the Electric Fatory, you can only drink in that area off to the side or on the balcony. I think prices were slightly cheaper than 9:30's previous prices.
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Originally posted by muschi:
is that a "squid" in your "pants" or are u just happy to see me
A little from column A, a little from column B
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Originally posted by squidpants:
I disagree, I've never had a $6 Yuengling at a show in DC before.
Ditto. Except for the super swanky hotel bars, not sure I've had a bottle of domestic for more than $5 in DC...
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Originally posted by Bags:
Except for the super swanky hotel bars, not sure I've had a bottle of domestic for more than $5 in DC...
well, domestic is a misleading term. i mean, i've been to places where obvious domestic beers <cough>sam adams<cough> are not listed under domestic prices because they are considered as a microbrew, which is, apparently, a separate designation.
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I know, I know...the whole microbrew thing. Which Sam Adams is SO not, and I don't think Yuengling is either, but that's just me.
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Originally posted by amnesiac:
Yeah, since 9:30 and Sonar seem to be getting alot of similar shows, I think I'll be choosing Sonar more often. Last time I was there I think I remember the prices being lower than 9:30's old prices.
Yeah it's $3.50 for a bottle of Yeungling at Sonar. Seriously, $6 for a Yeungling that is borderline mass production (Bud/Miller/Coors) is way too much. You've got to be kidding me that it's priced out as a microbrew. With prices like that, I'm glad I live close by where I can do a bunch of drinking before seeing the band play. So what is Guinness priced out at now, $8 for the can?
It seems 1 beer = 6 pack grocery store prices.
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a 12pack of PBR's at the liquor store by my house?
$4.99 baby!!!!
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
in pittsburgh you could only drink in the roped off areas for all ages shows. have no idea why they change it nightly in philly
see, back home normal was $2 for a bottle of yuengling. at the clubs it was $4. so twice as much. dc is at least $3.50, so $6 seems about right to me
There are places in Pittsburgh where you can get a pitcher of Yunegling for $3. Most of them are of the college-dive bar variety, but those are the best kind. Never thought I'd be nostalgic for Pittsburgh, but I do miss that.
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I buy beer for the local teens, and they usually let me drink with them...FOR FREE!!!
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
a 12pack of PBR's at the liquor store by my house?
$4.99 baby!!!!
Geez, where is that store!?
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Originally posted by squidpants:
Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
a 12pack of PBR's at the liquor store by my house?
$4.99 baby!!!!
Geez, where is that store!? [/b]
South Baltimore baby!! where else??
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Originally posted by squidpants:
Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
a 12pack of PBR's at the liquor store by my house?
$4.99 baby!!!!
Geez, where is that store!? [/b]
PBR is cheap everywhere. You can get a 30 pack for about $12 in the College Park/Greenbelt area. Wonder how much 9:30 would charge if they stocked it...
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Is this a recent phenomenon though, the $6 Yuengling? I feel like it hasn't been this expensive for long.
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cmon sonick - you know the hipsters call it SoBa
Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
Originally posted by squidpants:
Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
a 12pack of PBR's at the liquor store by my house?
$4.99 baby!!!!
Geez, where is that store!? [/b]
South Baltimore baby!! where else?? [/b]
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Originally posted by brennser:
cmon sonick - you know the hipsters call it SoBa
hahahaha. first off, there are no hipsters in south baltimore!!!! hippies maybe, more crackheads and hookers though. but they're coming, and when they get here, i am thinking SoBo, more than SoBa.
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Originally posted by squidpants:
Is this a recent phenomenon though, the $6 Yuengling? I feel like it hasn't been this expensive for long.
Carl's Jr. has the $6 burger.
but i dont think its $6 is it?
weird.
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
Originally posted by brennser:
cmon sonick - you know the hipsters call it SoBa
hahahaha. first off, there are no hipsters in south baltimore!!!! hippies maybe, more crackheads and hookers though. but they're coming, and when they get here, i am thinking SoBo, more than SoBa. [/b]
Actually, it's SoWeBo.
You're right about the demographics however the hipsters are only a few of the tourists who wander in and out of the neighborhood.
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
Carl's Jr. has the $6 burger.
but i dont think its $6 is it?
weird.
I think the idea is that the $6 Burger is supposed to taste as good as a burger you'd pay $6 to get at a restaurant. However, that $6 Yuengling tastes like it was a $3-4 Yuengling not long ago.
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for the record, the warehouse next door charges $4 for yuengling and $3 for bud/bud lite/miller lite. and $2 for schlitz cans.
and it's WAY poorer than the 9:30.
i love the talking head and ottobar in baltimore...yuengling is betwen $2.50 and $3 at those places.
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
a 12pack of PBR's at the liquor store by my house?
$4.99 baby!!!!
PBR? I know it's in the Hipster Handbook and all...but you might as well be drinking Old Milwaukee. PBR is piss!
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We recently (within the last few months) raised our alcohol prices by $1.00 for everything. While this may seem steep it is the first price increase in like seven or eight years at the club. It also reflects the ever increasing prices of our beer and liquer suppliers. The sudden increase is also necessary because of the sheer volume we do at our bars. If we were to raise prices .25 cents or so at a time it would seriously slow down the bartenders by having to deal with change. Having nice round dollar numbers helps us help you more quickly.
Take it for what it is. My opinion? If I go out to a nice club or bar I'm paying at least as much, if not more than at 9:30. And 9:30 is as nice as they come for live music.
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
We recently (within the last few months) raised our alcohol prices by $1.00 for everything. While this may seem steep it is the first price increase in like seven or eight years at the club. It also reflects the ever increasing prices of our beer and liquer suppliers. The sudden increase is also necessary because of the sheer volume we do at our bars. If we were to raise prices .25 cents or so at a time it would seriously slow down the bartenders by having to deal with change. Having nice round dollar numbers helps us help you more quickly.
Take it for what it is. My opinion? If I go out to a nice club or bar I'm paying at least as much, if not more than at 9:30. And 9:30 is as nice as they come for live music.
My opinion of this is with dealing with change, when the subject came up. It doesn't take that much longer to grab a few quarters as it does dollar bills. That being said, I'd imagine the general response from the bartenders was "If it's raised by $0.25 or $0.50, patrons would then just leave the remainder change and not a dollar anymore." It's not like you'd be stocking nickels and dimes in the register just rolls of quarters.
How is it other "nice" places in DC don't charge more than $5 for basic beers (including Yeungling?) They probably use the same distributors, probably not nearly as in high volume as the 930 club but are still not charging as much. Any idea what Blues Alley charges for a beer? :)
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
If I go out to a nice club or bar I'm paying at least as much, if not more than at 9:30. And 9:30 is as nice as they come for live music.
Thanks for the response, but I don't go to nice clubs or bars. And it's Yuengling, not Chimay or something. Looks like I am drinking at home.
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
We recently (within the last few months) raised our alcohol prices by $1.00 for everything. While this may seem steep it is the first price increase in like seven or eight years at the club. It also reflects the ever increasing prices of our beer and liquer suppliers.
I do go to good clubs and bars. ;)
I love the club as much or more than anyone. While I can't say I remember when the last price increase was, there's a reason $5 shit beer and $6 okay beer seems high. It is. Even for nice places (like RFK and Camden Yards, even).
I'm surprised to hear heineken and Yuengling were $5 in 1998. The increase would never stop me from coming to the club, obviously...that's about the music. I'll drink less, my prerogative.
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my middle name is yuengling.....
it only has value around here where people's first reaction tends to be any relation to the beer company...other places, it tends to get a wtf
pardon the digression, hehe
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Originally posted by MindCage:
My opinion of this is with dealing with change, when the subject came up. It doesn't take that much longer to grab a few quarters as it does dollar bills. That being said, I'd imagine the general response from the bartenders was "If it's raised by $0.25 or $0.50, patrons would then just leave the remainder change and not a dollar anymore." It's not like you'd be stocking nickels and dimes in the register just rolls of quarters.
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I fully agree with this and I use to tend bar. That's just bullshit. Sure, you will get a delay when you have to restock the change portion but I bet the bar will be less busy now with the higher prices. And if you are any good at bartending, you see the coins going down and work the exchange in at slower bar times rather than waiting for the register to run out. Worse yet, regardless what anyone says here on this forum, the bartenders will definitely end up taking a hit. Also, with the change and tips thing, a lot of people will scoop up the change and leave a bill. This would be less likely though with highly priced drinks. Will be interesting to see if this does affect the bottom line when all is said and done, not that we will ever find out.
In the end, I'm not making a nice Federal Government or corporate salary so really have no choice but to join Bags in her boycott. Don't want to at all but really have no choice at this point in my life. It's bad enough I've had to give up the little I already had to ration myself just because all of my money is now going into my gas tank. Missing lots of shows too just because of the damned gas which is not the club's fault in the least but that's just the way it is.
And as far as Yuengling goes, I would pay a few cents, or maybe even dollars, more for a quality beer than $6 for a semi-rot gut Yuengling. Would just have to resort to sipping. Rails and budget beers should never go over $5 regardless of how chi chi the bar is.
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1) If we were to raise prices .25 cents or so at a time it would seriously slow down the bartenders by having to deal with change.
Thank you Shadrach. From one bartender to an owner, you are the only owner I've ever seen who realizes this point.
2) I know my bar bill is usually less than what it should be and it's not just the 930 that does that.
The reason your bar bill is not what you had is something known as "back ringing". A lot of regular customers will tip more when they think they are getting a deal. What the bartender does (or hopes to do) is when they hand a regular a low bill, that the regular will tip very well, then, when they have a chance, ring some of that great tip they just got back into the register, keep a 25% (or so) tip for themselves, then promo (or whatever the establishment calls that check) the couple of remaining beers (or drinks, whatever) to make up for the non-rung-up drinks. Any bartender who does not do this is stealing.
3) Aren't the plastic cups used for drafts the same size as the glass pints. they just look smaller because the glass is thicker?
True.
4) Bud Light on tap is $5.
Tap beer is a huge moneymaker. $5 is out of line.
5) Apparently Yuengling is an import. I never understood that.
Just because something is called an import, doesn't mean it's an "imported" beer. The only thing that has to do with is the cost for the establishment to buy that particular beer. For example, Sam Adams is considered a "Super Import" at my bar, and I get questioned about it all the time. The reason Sam Adams is considered a "Super Import" is that it is the MOST expensive beer to buy for us, by the bottle. More expensive than Bass ale, than Newcastle, than anything we serve. That's why it costs an arm and a leg, because our cost is so high.
6) Bring little airline bottles of liquor and buy sodas @$1.50. they even have those drink bag u wear on yer back when biking. make a buddy be the drink carrier for the night.
This can lose an establishment it's liquor license. Please do not do it. Plus, the door staff CAN and WILL use it to eject you, and possibly a reason to kick your ass (if you are at a place less reputable than the 9:30 Club)
7) What are y'all gonna tip now? I got charged $6 last week for each bottle and couldn't figure out what to tip: %15 of 6 is another $1; but the barkeep is just popping a bottle cap no differently than if it were a reasonable $3. $1 tip for a guy to pop a cap seems extravagant. So I defiantly only left .50 a beer as usual.
a) You are drinking more expensive drinks, so don't be a cheap ass and plop down the $1
b) www.moderndrunkard.com (http://www.moderndrunkard.com) 39. Never tip with coins that have touched you. If your change is $1.50, you can tell the barmaid to keep the change, but once she has handed it to you, you cannot give it back. To a bartender or cocktail waitress, small change has no value.
8) You cheap bastard. That's how they make their livelihood. ts not bartenders fault the prices r hi, so dont screw him/her. i rarely pay cash, i just get my tab and tip %20. I still do one buck a bottle.
Thank you.
9) Does the DC tax rate of 10% factor into the price of drinks?
No more than any other state.
10) well, domestic is a misleading term. i mean, i've been to places where obvious domestic beers <cough>sam adams<cough> are not listed under domestic prices because they are considered as a microbrew, which is, apparently, a separate designation.
See #5.
11) I bet the bar will be less busy now with the higher prices.
Wrong! With live venues, they have a captive audience.
12) The bartenders will definitely end up taking a hit.
Right! No one likes expensive beer, and more often than not, it comes out of the tip.
13) Have mixed drinks gone up in price as well?
A very good question, I am interested in what the prices of everything are, since I'll be there Friday at the Bob Mould Band show. I won't drink any differently, but perhaps this would be a stellar time for some 9:30 Club staff member to post the drink prices, especially since I have your back about standing your ground about these prices. I'd love to see a list. (Perhaps in FAQ's?) Thank you for your time.....
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Originally posted by BrnAgnTaper:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i think $4 domestic and $5 import is reasonable though ...[/b]
Apparently Yuengling is an import. I never understood that. [/QB][/QUOTE]
PA is indeed considered foriegn...for beer price purposes anyway.
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as usual, the same people that accuse us of being in it for the money are counting their money
but I have no trouble admitting who I am
A CAPITALIST
and not a republican capitalist either
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as usual, the same people that accuse us of being in it for the money are counting their money
but I have no trouble admitting who I am
A CAPITALIST
and not a republican capitalist either
If you haven't read it yet, Seth, please read my post in this topic. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
And as far as Yuengling goes, I would pay a few cents, or maybe even dollars, more for a quality beer than $6 for a semi-rot gut Yuengling. Would just have to resort to sipping. Rails and budget beers should never go over $5 regardless of how chi chi the bar is.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa let's not get out of hand here with the name calling! Even the word "semi" can be mean to our foreign friend from PA. :p
Rails and mass-produced beers should never be over $5 is very true though.
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
as usual, the same people that accuse us of being in it for the money are counting their money
but I have no trouble admitting who I am
A CAPITALIST
and not a republican capitalist either
some of us have less to count ;)
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Originally posted by dlcjr1775:
Just because something is called an import, doesn't mean it's an "imported" beer.
i love it.
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Whatever the long, drawn out explanations are, the fact of the matter is that I'm going to drink less, "captive audience" or not. $6 for Yuengling is just ridiculous. I can do without.
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Originally posted by dlcjr1775:
39. Never tip with coins that have touched you. If your change is $1.50, you can tell the barmaid to keep the change, but once she has handed it to you, you cannot give it back. To a bartender or cocktail waitress, small change has no value.
Interesting post -- thanks, dlcjr1775
I didn't really get the above point, though.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by dlcjr1775:
39. Never tip with coins that have touched you. If your change is $1.50, you can tell the barmaid to keep the change, but once she has handed it to you, you cannot give it back. To a bartender or cocktail waitress, small change has no value.
Interesting post -- thanks, dlcjr1775
I didn't really get the above point, though. [/b]
I don't get that point either.
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Put 'modern drunkard 86 rules' into google for a good laugh, and an explanation.....
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another rule is its ok to drink alone
http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/issues/01-02/01_02_booze_rules.htm (http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/issues/01-02/01_02_booze_rules.htm)
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the debate continues
http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/09/30/beer_taps_going_the_way_of_the_gas_pump.php#comments (http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/09/30/beer_taps_going_the_way_of_the_gas_pump.php#comments)
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Originally posted by squidpants:
Whatever the long, drawn out explanations are, the fact of the matter is that I'm going to drink less, "captive audience" or not. $6 for Yuengling is just ridiculous. I can do without.
agreed and i dont see why its so awful that we bring it up!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the debate continues
http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/09/30/beer_taps_going_the_way_of_the_gas_pump.php#comments (http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/09/30/beer_taps_going_the_way_of_the_gas_pump.php#comments)
does DCist jues read this board to get its stories?? sounds lame to me.
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$1 natty bohs for the win
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Originally posted by Got Haggis?:
$1 natty bohs for the win
We said we were leaving Baltimore out of this :p ~
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
the first price increase in like seven or eight years at the club.
BULLSHIT!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the debate continues
http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/09/30/beer_taps_going_the_way_of_the_gas_pump.php#comments (http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/09/30/beer_taps_going_the_way_of_the_gas_pump.php#comments)
Dude, they quoted Shadrach right off our board!
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the debate continues
http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/09/30/beer_taps_going_the_way_of_the_gas_pump.php#comments (http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/09/30/beer_taps_going_the_way_of_the_gas_pump.php#comments)
Dude, they quoted Shadrach right off our board! [/b]
i did notice that... it would also appear that didn't contact the club directly on the issue just rewriting what was mentioned here... then again it's just a blog and not real journalism ;)
i'll be amused at what the rest of dc blogsphere comes up with regarding the issue
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capitalism, cont'd:
the best thing you can do is vote with your pocketbooks
when a business charges more, and people stop buying, then the laws of supply & demand will take effect
if a ticket is too much money, don't go
if a drink is too much, don't buy it
we will notice, believe me
on the other hand, the better we do, the more ability we have to keep prices down (volume) - hence the drink prices have not been raised for several years...we knew the abrupt hike would piss everyone off, but we figured that was better than constantly raising them in relation to our increased costs
so if you want to look at your drink glasses as half full, consider how much you've been drinking for the past years for less than it should have been
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
capitalism, cont'd:
the best thing you can do is vote with your pocketbooks
when a business charges more, and people stop buying, then the laws of supply & demand will take effect
if a ticket is too much money, don't go
if a drink is too much, don't buy it
we will notice, believe me
on the other hand, the better we do, the more ability we have to keep prices down (volume) - hence the drink prices have not been raised for several years...we knew the abrupt hike would piss everyone off, but we figured that was better than constantly raising them in relation to our increased costs
so if you want to look at your drink glasses as half full, consider how much you've been drinking for the past years for less than it should have been
I'm sure you would notice if bar sales decreased in both revenue as well as volume going out, but do I really think it will have that much of an impact? No. Overall, the majority of people aren't going to even know the prices were raised and will continue to just keep shelling out the money. They'll only bitch about it when they've sobered up the next day and realized how much they dropped the night before at the club. Then 2 months later when they come back to the club it's a repeating cycle.
Your last statement though is kinda bogus. To say that people were drinking for less than they should have been is only saying it's cut into your profit margins. Sure there's your expenses/overhead for the bar, but you're certainly are not paying more than $0.85 per beer of Yuengling. Whole Foods in DC has 6-packs for $4.99. :) While I know prices on everything have gone up my real complaint is charging so much for beer (Yuengling) that isn't a microbrew/import. I still stand by that prices could easily have just gone up by $0.50 and less people on here would bitch about it.
Okay it's 10am on Sat. I have no frickin clue why I'm up before noon so go easy if what I said sounds like I'm talking out my ass!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
it would also appear that didn't contact the club directly on the issue just rewriting what was mentioned here... then again it's just a blog and not real journalism
Isn't that a technique of so-called 'Gonzo' journalism??
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could be..
but to me it's more like gossip or the telephone game...
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Isn't the bboard, as thatguy's so fond of pointing out, a cyber-arm of the brick & mortar club? And isn't Shadrach, as a moderator, a 'faithful terrirer' of the club, it's inner workings and policies???
So if you take that into account, then it is good journalism with the caveat that the source is provided. They DID mention that it was the 930 club? And they separated the poop in the manner of a quote..?
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
capitalism, cont'd:
but it's not like we have any choice in the matter ... when i go to a normal bar/club i go because i like the environs, price, etc ... i go to 9:30 club largely because i want to see the performer that night ... it helps that you have such an attractive venue, friendly staff, etc, but it's not like i could simply choose to go to another venue that evening because i'm frustrated about the drink prices
not sure if that made any sense, but if this happened at a bar in my neighborhood i'd simply flex my consumer muscle by going to other bars, it's just not possible in this case
either way, all we're talking about here is a fucking dollar for a drink, i think things are getting blown a bit out of proportion ... it's not like you've stopped selling alcohol :eek:
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that stinking 9:30 Club. i mean, they let in underage kids that can't drink to every show, and they don't even limit their numbers! sometimes, the entire venue is filled with people too young to buy a bud light! how do they expect to move enough volume to keep prices at below market level with those practices? moreover, when they book a show that doesn't generate huge bar revenue, do they learn their lesson and pass on it the next time? noooooooo. they keep doing what they think is right, occasionally adjusting their price structure to match market forces and respond to their fixed and variable costs. clearly, they just don't care about us drinkers. i feel betrayed. were my soul not in a glowing green globe underneath eddie's desk, i would so be outta there ...
hey -- can we figure out the real estate market next? i would really like to buy one of the new lofts in logan circle, but they are SO overpriced. it isn't like this is new york where you can find a loft anywhere. as one of the sole purveyors of such properties in our area, i think the developers have a duty to keep their prices down, even if there are people that will pay what they are asking for. i mean, who do they think they are?
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Originally posted by Urbansprite:
i would really like to buy one of the new lofts in logan circle, but they are SO overpriced.
Why don't you try Logan's Run (http://www.mdlandmark.com/logans_run.htm) instead?
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Sarcasm or not, you can't say $6 for Yuengling is fair, dude.
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As far as I'm concerned, people who drink the swill that is beer deserve to be ripped off.
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
if a ticket is too much money, don't go
if a drink is too much, don't buy it
we will notice, believe me
have you noticed that i stopped coming?
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Why doesn't the club have a surcharge for those under 21? Most clubs do these days. Seth, you're missing a capitalistic opportunity.
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
Be nice to your bartenders, tip well, don't be impatient, and I think you'll fin 5{ less for beers. I know my bar bill is usually less than what it should be and it's not just the 930 that does that.
Then again, maybe I'm getting some kind of volume discount which comes from drinking eight beers per night ;)
Drinking 8 beers a night...probably means you aren't getting a discount. You're probably just buzzed enough to not realize the amount of money you're spending.
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Originally posted by Arlette:
Why doesn't the club have a surcharge for those under 21? Most clubs do these days. Seth, you're missing a capitalistic opportunity.
being a capitalist does not mean that making money takes the place of right & wrong
I just think that charging people extra because of their age is wrong, and offensive
on the business side of that, we are trying to develop our future customers, not discourage them
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Isn't "Yuengling" what they do in the Swiss alps when flu season hits?
Or maybe $6 Yuengling is a sex act you can buy on the beach at Phuket island? "Hey, did you know that you can give your John Thomas a good Yuengling in Thailand for only 6 bucks American!"
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Originally posted by clouds R²:
Or maybe $6 Yuengling is a sex act you can buy on the beach at Phuket island?
I can assure you, it is not.
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Originally posted by squidpants:
Sarcasm or not, you can't say $6 for Yuengling is fair, dude.
it was sarcasm, and actually i do think it's fair. as a general principle, you don't get more anti-consumer than price-fixing. moreover, regulation of business pricing is only necessary where there is market failure, and once you start regulating, well, that opens up a whole can of worms that ultimately takes the control out of your hands.
in other words, it is fair because the consumer decides whether the price will function or fail. consumers stop buying beer, consumers eventually will pay less for beer. consumers keep buying beer, then they have deemed the prices to be acceptable. the supply/demand model may not be representative of you, your values, or those of the people around you. but it isn't meant to be. think about all the crap that gets played on the radio. we (a lot of us) listen to it and think, "are you f*cking kidding me?" but they are playing it because people are consuming it, and so long as they do (whoever they are), advertisers will pay the price for spots to reach them. if the advertisers stopped paying because the audience wasn't there, radio would be forced to adjust its programming. right now, people are listening, so ladies and gentlemen, we have good charlotte.
economics isn't sexy, but it is usually pretty logical, and our system allows the consumer-at-large to set the pace. what is more fair than that?
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
if a ticket is too much money, don't go
if a drink is too much, don't buy it
we will notice, believe me
have you noticed that i stopped coming? [/b]
And so did I...even before I moved away.
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Originally posted by Urbansprite:
...economics isn't sexy, but it is usually pretty logical, and our system allows the consumer-at-large to set the pace. what is more fair than that?
Thanks for the lecture, Adam Smith, but I have attended economics class before, and that's not my definition of fair. I want to drink beer at concerts, and at these prices, I refuse to. I don't care to wait for the market to reach equilibrium. John Stuart Mill can come back to life and do a spoken word show at the 9:30 Club discussing why Yuengling was $6, and I'd still think it was too expensive.
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I noticed Yuengling was $4.50 from the tap at the Black Cat last night. Maybe they have a distibutor who sells it to them for 25% less?
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Originally posted by Arlette:
Why doesn't the club have a surcharge for those under 21? Most clubs do these days. Seth, you're missing a capitalistic opportunity.
being a capitalist does not mean that making money takes the place of right & wrong
I just think that charging people extra because of their age is wrong, and offensive
on the business side of that, we are trying to develop our future customers, not discourage them [/b]
That's one way to look at it, but the people who are old enough to drink are adding much more to your profits than those who are not. In fact, if your venue is like most in the country, ticket sales barely cover the band guarantees and your profits come from alcohol sales. So, by increasing drink prices and not charging extra to those who cannot drink you are penalizing the people who contribute the most to your financial success.
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You assume that everyone who is 21+ is idiot enough to pay 5 or 6 bucks for a cup of beer. Not true.
Originally posted by Arlette:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Originally posted by Arlette:
Why doesn't the club have a surcharge for those under 21? Most clubs do these days. Seth, you're missing a capitalistic opportunity.
being a capitalist does not mean that making money takes the place of right & wrong
I just think that charging people extra because of their age is wrong, and offensive
on the business side of that, we are trying to develop our future customers, not discourage them [/b]
That's one way to look at it, but the people who are old enough to drink are adding much more to your profits than those who are not. In fact, if your venue is like most in the country, ticket sales barely cover the band guarantees and your profits come from alcohol sales. So, by increasing drink prices and not charging extra to those who cannot drink you are penalizing the people who contribute the most to your financial success. [/b]
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Originally posted by squidpants:
Originally posted by Urbansprite:
...economics isn't sexy, but it is usually pretty logical, and our system allows the consumer-at-large to set the pace. what is more fair than that?
I want to drink beer at concerts, and at these prices, I refuse to. I don't care to wait for the market to reach equilibrium. [/b]
well, i'd like to own a penthouse, marry george clooney and stay 27 (ahem) for the rest of my life. what can i say. reality is a bitch.
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
You assume that everyone who is 21+ is idiot enough to pay 5 or 6 bucks for a cup of beer. Not true.
yeah, i personally go for the $7 mini-shots of SoCo.
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Originally posted by Arlette:
That's one way to look at it, but the people who are old enough to drink are adding much more to your profits than those who are not. In fact, if your venue is like most in the country, ticket sales barely cover the band guarantees and your profits come from alcohol sales. So, by increasing drink prices and not charging extra to those who cannot drink you are penalizing the people who contribute the most to your financial success.
Didn't you hear all bands play at the 9:30 club play for free and box of yummie cookies...
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Is free food the pitch they'll make to try to get the Magic Numbers?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by Arlette:
That's one way to look at it, but the people who are old enough to drink are adding much more to your profits than those who are not. In fact, if your venue is like most in the country, ticket sales barely cover the band guarantees and your profits come from alcohol sales. So, by increasing drink prices and not charging extra to those who cannot drink you are penalizing the people who contribute the most to your financial success.
Didn't you hear all bands play at the 9:30 club play for free and box of yummie cookies... [/b]
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
have you noticed that i stopped coming?
And so did I...even before I moved away. [/b]
But I'll guess that it isn't primarily because of the prices... maybe you're just getting into middle age like me and don't want to stay up as late, and you realize that the hassle/enjoyment ratio for you isn't favorable or whatever
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Nope, not assuming that at all. Just stating that those who are old enough to drink and who are "idiots" (count me among them) enough to pay that much for beer are most responsible for the success of the club. Those who only buy tickets contribute the least. It's never a good business model to not favor your best customers.
I respect Seth's philosophy of not charging more because of age, but I think your best customers should be given the most consideration.
Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
You assume that everyone who is 21+ is idiot enough to pay 5 or 6 bucks for a cup of beer. Not true.
Originally posted by Arlette:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Originally posted by Arlette:
Why doesn't the club have a surcharge for those under 21? Most clubs do these days. Seth, you're missing a capitalistic opportunity.
being a capitalist does not mean that making money takes the place of right & wrong
I just think that charging people extra because of their age is wrong, and offensive
on the business side of that, we are trying to develop our future customers, not discourage them [/b]
That's one way to look at it, but the people who are old enough to drink are adding much more to your profits than those who are not. In fact, if your venue is like most in the country, ticket sales barely cover the band guarantees and your profits come from alcohol sales. So, by increasing drink prices and not charging extra to those who cannot drink you are penalizing the people who contribute the most to your financial success. [/b]
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Originally posted by Arlette:
I respect Seth's philosophy of not charging more because of age, but I think your best customers should be given the most consideration.
I have to respectfully disagree with your whole premise. That's not a reasonable business model on any level. A frequent drinker card -- now that could be a way to benefit regular and dedicated customers. But charging kids more for tickets does not make sense. I mean, I know why you've thought of it, but it's not reasonable as an overall business approach.
If it is, then I should pay more for every show I attend Monday - Wednesday, as I usually drink only free water at those. Next step up would be Sunday -- I may have two beers, but that'll be all. But for those Friday and Saturday shows, $5 a ticket for every show for me!!!
And, as Seth pointed out, like the cigarette companies, he is developing his customer base going forward.
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I didn't think of it, many, many clubs are doing it because you're almost forced to you financially. I used to run a club, here's an example:
I was trying forever to get Death Cab. Finally booked them (couple of years ago), and the price was very reasonable. However, the club made very little money from the show. Why? Because a lot of the crowd was underage and alcohol sales were extremely low. The club owner was like, "Nice try, but we can't afford these shows with so many underage people."
That same week we had Chris Robinson of the Crowes when he was doing his solo thing. Very high guarantee. We had fewer in attendance than we did for DCFC but we made a ton more money! Why? Because of the alcohol sales.
That week I started charging underagers $2.00 extra. It helped us cover our costs and break even on shows we otherwise would not have been able to afford.
I'm just saying, when a business needs to increase its profits don't always try to get more money out of the pockets of your best customers. Try to spread around the monetary damage, especially to those who are contributing the least.
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Originally posted by Bags:
And, as Seth pointed out, like the cigarette companies, he is developing his customer base going forward.
You mean he's been pumping in nicotine through the AC vents? I KNEW there was a reason I get all twitchy and irritable when I'm not at the club...
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and I can attest to voluntarily reducing my beer consumption at last night's Crowes show. Like $3 a gallon gas, $6 yuenglings plus tip hits my personal behavior change point. Granted, I was also trying to compensate for an above-average ticket price and the fact that I was still a little hungover from monday's Raveonettes show. But I can see more pre-drinking in the future.
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Lose size in your vehicle and your gas bill goes down, since it takes less gas to get you somewhere. Lose size in your fat ass, and the bar tab goes down, since it takes less booze to get you tanked. Seems simple enough.
Smaller cars and smaller people in 2006. Yeah!
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One other thing, an unexpected benefit of the $2.00 extra charge for underagers: it became a badge of honor with them when they turned 21. They were very proud to be able to show off that they didn't have to pay the extra money now. Rather than discouraging your customers, they had another reason to be psyched for their 21st birthdays.
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Originally posted by Bags:
And, as Seth pointed out, like the cigarette companies, he is developing his customer base going forward.
ah yes, compare yourself to the cigarette companies, that will make you lots of friends in the consumer world!
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Guiny, is that you? How are things in the Bahamas?
Originally posted by Arlette:
One other thing, an unexpected benefit of the $2.00 extra charge for underagers: it became a badge of honor with them when they turned 21. They were very proud to be able to show off that they didn't have to pay the extra money now. Rather than discouraging your customers, they had another reason to be psyched for their 21st birthdays.
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Better warn the bartenders. Myself and I'm sure many other will rarely if ever tip on $6 beers.
The club should really find a better way to recoup. Charge a few dollars more for tickets if you must.
To be reminded throughout the evening how overpriced the drinks are is a real annoyance that affects the overall happiness index and brings the place down.
T
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I's be completely happy if they stopped selling alcohol altogether. But hey, if selling the alcohol helps keep ticket prices down, well I'll vote for that.
Originally posted by tobyd:
Better warn the bartenders. Myself and I'm sure many other will rarely if ever tip on $6 beers.
The club should really find a better way to recoup. Charge a few dollars more for tickets if you must.
To be reminded throughout the evening how overpriced the drinks are is a real annoyance that affects the overall happiness index and brings the place down.
T
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Found out (the hard way) last night that even rail vodkas are $6 :eek:
I definitely will be drinking elsewhere before shows and not so much in the 9:30. Sorry Seth - I can't afford to pay for that trip you've been planning...
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Personally I think the beer prices Seth charges are quite understandable because he has to cover the high cost of his bar staff....... $3.25 an hour doesn't grow on trees you know. :roll:
Seriously, instead of just whining about the prices you should all organize a protest by not paying the bar staff tips for a week, or just not buy drinks at all, which will hurt both Seth and his staff.
Action speaks louder than words people.
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
Originally posted by Arlette:
Why doesn't the club have a surcharge for those under 21? Most clubs do these days. Seth, you're missing a capitalistic opportunity.
being a capitalist does not mean that making money takes the place of right & wrong
I just think that charging people extra because of their age is wrong, and offensive
on the business side of that, we are trying to develop our future customers, not discourage them [/b]
Actually Seth...charging children the same is wrong and offensive. Don't most companies usually charge children less than adults for their services?
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how about those of us that want to get a non-alcoholic beverage in the club, besides the free water... in the past a soda was $3 which was a couple sips of something that costs the club pennies to serve. that cost really leaves one in the mood to tip as well
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The price of soda everywhere is ridiculous. Most restaurants charge $2, but that usually comes with free refills. $3 without free refills is insane. Just stick to the free water.
I usually have one or two beers when I attend a concert. $6 + $1 tip for a Newcastle Brown Ale or Sierra Nevada is a lot, but it's only about a $1 more than Black Cat for the same beers. Yuengling seems overpriced though, I agree.
I'm for anything that results in less alcohol being imbibed at shows. The concert attendees who are plastered are usually the ones that are distracting me from the music. If fewer people are getting drunk at shows and stumbling around and getting obnoxious instead of listening to the music, I'll happily pay an extra dollar for my beer.
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of course it could also cause people to show up to the show even more drunk,or baked as the case maybe, because they did it on the cheap(er) elsewhere...
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Originally posted by Darth Ed:
The concert attendees who are plastered are usually the ones that are distracting me from the music. If fewer people are getting drunk at shows and stumbling around and getting obnoxious instead of listening to the music, I'll happily pay an extra dollar for my beer.
Maybe you could get the band to play in your living room so you don't have to be bothered with any other members of the human race.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
of course it could also cause people to show up to the show even more drunk,or baked as the case maybe, because they did it on the cheap(er) elsewhere...
just fair warning to anyone considering this: if someone shows up obviously intoxicated or under the influence, they may be forced to wait outside until they sober up some, or possibly denied entry entirely. it's obviously a judgement call, but don't push your luck.
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i suspected this might be the case....
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
of course it could also cause people to show up to the show even more drunk,or baked as the case maybe, because they did it on the cheap(er) elsewhere...
just fair warning to anyone considering this: if someone shows up obviously intoxicated or under the influence, they may be forced to wait outside until they sober up some, or possibly denied entry entirely. it's obviously a judgement call, but don't push your luck. [/b]
What if said individual was intoxicated while getting their photo taken for their license? They could argue that's the way they always look with the half-massed eyes or blank glassy eyed stare?
Clearly with the judgement call I really doubt someone that's all baked is going to be denied entry. What could they possibly do? I don't recall the last time someone causing problems say violently was in the press for doing so "while being high" on weed. It's always the booze!
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
of course it could also cause people to show up to the show even more drunk,or baked as the case maybe, because they did it on the cheap(er) elsewhere...
just fair warning to anyone considering this: if someone shows up obviously intoxicated or under the influence, they may be forced to wait outside until they sober up some, or possibly denied entry entirely. it's obviously a judgement call, but don't push your luck. [/b]
and don't walk up to the club with an open container. they hate that
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i just noticed on my english beat ticket at the Recher, that it says younger than 21 $3 extra. something like that. interesting idea.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
i just noticed on my english beat ticket at the Recher, that it says younger than 21 $3 extra. something like that. interesting idea.
does anyone under 21 even know who the English Beat are?????
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Originally posted by MindCage:
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
of course it could also cause people to show up to the show even more drunk,or baked as the case maybe, because they did it on the cheap(er) elsewhere...
just fair warning to anyone considering this: if someone shows up obviously intoxicated or under the influence, they may be forced to wait outside until they sober up some, or possibly denied entry entirely. it's obviously a judgement call, but don't push your luck. [/b]
What if said individual was intoxicated while getting their photo taken for their license? They could argue that's the way they always look with the half-massed eyes or blank glassy eyed stare?
Clearly with the judgement call I really doubt someone that's all baked is going to be denied entry. What could they possibly do? I don't recall the last time someone causing problems say violently was in the press for doing so "while being high" on weed. It's always the booze!
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com) [/b]
Sort of yes an sort of no. When you work in a club, after a time it's not judgment, it's not subjective, it becomes skill. It 's very easy to gauge who is overly intoxicated and who is not. You see enough people to know who can enter and behave appropriately and those who you have to deny entry because they have the capability to danger your business.
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Originally posted by Arlette:
Sort of yes an sort of no. When you work in a club, after a time it's not judgment, it's not subjective, it becomes skill.
actually, we've been training certain members of the staph in the jedi arts. it's been very useful so far.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
actually, we've been training certain members of the staph in the jedi arts. it's been very useful so far.
You did not approve this through the Jedi Council.
Report to the temple immediately.