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Title: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: vansmack on January 05, 2005, 03:28:00 pm
Just when you thought commercial radio couldn't get any worse with labels pushing angst rock and hard-core emo, even bowing to radio edits of good songs, Live 105 here in SF now has a new brilliant idea:
 
 The ADD Hour.
 
 For your drive home you get an entire hour of 90 second snipets and edits of songs.  No Joke.  It's not limited to songs 90 seconds and under, you only get to hear 90 seconds of a song, regardless of how long the song really is!
 
 Oddly, a few months ago they started making fun of themselves for playing too much Linkin Park and not enough Shins.  Maybe they were kidding.
 
 So I heard "Run" by Snow Patrol, "All Because of You" by U2, "Boulevard..." by Green Day and "caring is Creepy" by the Shins before I had to turn it off becuase the 90 second edits were mostly lyric driven and ruined every song.  
 
 What will they do next?
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: markie on January 05, 2005, 03:49:00 pm
The U2 hour.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: sonickteam2 on January 05, 2005, 03:52:00 pm
an hour of dead air!
 
  or would that be better?
 
 
 do the artists approve of such song snippets? i cant believe they would?
 
   do people really only have a 90 second attn span?
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: bbbsmith on January 05, 2005, 04:02:00 pm
All I can say is XM XM XM...it is solid and will satisfy every tyoe of radio listener.  I bought the unit for Opie and Anthony (much more funny that Howard...Don and Mike or any other "shock" jock) and have been impressed with the content.  Not alot of commercials (some channels have commercials...others do not).  And they play the FULL song.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 05, 2005, 04:03:00 pm
An hour of future lawyers discussing their LSAT scores.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: eltee on January 05, 2005, 04:09:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  an hour of dead air!  or would that be better?
 
 do people really only have a 90 second attn span?
it would be better.
 I thought it was 3 seconds.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: Venerable Bede on January 05, 2005, 04:10:00 pm
such a shame. . .i grew up listening to live 105.  but things started going wrong once they dumped alex bennett in the mornings.  and now see what's happened.  so sad.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: vansmack on January 05, 2005, 04:12:00 pm
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Originally posted by bbbsmith:
  All I can say is XM XM XM...it is solid and will satisfy every tyoe of radio listener.  I bought the unit for Opie and Anthony (much more funny that Howard...Don and Mike or any other "shock" jock) and have been impressed with the content.  Not alot of commercials (some channels have commercials...others do not).  And they play the FULL song.
Odd story that I'm glad you reminded me of.  The reason why I am forced to listen to radio in the car is a broken CD player in Smackette's car.  So I go to Best Buy to buy a new radio - they offer a $169 in dash XM radio.  I think holy shit -that's the way to go!  As I begin to fill out the paperwork, it costs anywhere from $150-200 to install the XM radio in the car, depending on your car type.  Is this common?  And does XM think this will work?
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: bbbsmith on January 05, 2005, 04:18:00 pm
Not sure about the in dash stuff as I am carless and use it in my house and at work.  I think that there are car kits that would allow you to get XM and regular radio...
 
 The install fees are best buy not XM...but there is a monthly fee (but it is small...I pay it yearly).
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: vansmack on January 05, 2005, 04:26:00 pm
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Originally posted by bbbsmith:
  Not sure about the in dash stuff as I am carless and use it in my house and at work.  I think that there are car kits that would allow you to get XM and regular radio...
 
 The install fees are best buy not XM...but there is a monthly fee (but it is small...I pay it yearly).
This was an in-dash unit, not an XM ready unit, but the actual receiver with XM/AM/FM/CD.  I didn't want a car kit (although when I asked how much the car kit was, the installation was the same).  I've called two other places and they have told me similar numbers and more if I didn't buy the unit from them (which makes sense).
 
 My point is this - who's going to pay more for the installation then they are for the unit?  Why doesn't XM supplement the installers with a small fee per unit to cut the cost to the consumer the way DirecTV does?  
 
 The first provider between XM and Sirius to supplement installation will take a lead in the war the way DirecTV smoked Dish Network by doing the same (and offering TiVo and the NFL helped too).
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: markie on January 05, 2005, 04:33:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  The install fees are best buy not XM...
Yeah, installation is always a con. But then direct TV installation is free. I guess their subscription price is much higher too.
 
 They were going to charge me $200 at the garage to install the aux cable to hook up external music devices. I did it myself in 10 seconds in the garage forecourt.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: bbbsmith on January 05, 2005, 04:46:00 pm
Seriously a GREAT idea...you should email that to XM customer service...maybe they will hook you up for the idea.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: bellenseb on January 05, 2005, 04:51:00 pm
How did you install it yourself?
 
 I needed a new stereo anyway, so I got an Aiwa with front auxiliary input for $99 installed @ Circuit City. A good move for those looking to use mp3 players in your car. Unless you can just install it for free... ?!
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: markie on January 05, 2005, 05:14:00 pm
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Originally posted by bellenseb:
  I needed a new stereo anyway, so I got an Aiwa with front auxiliary input for $99 installed @ Circuit City. A good move for those looking to use mp3 players in your car. Unless you can just install it for free... ?!
It is just a lead that plugs into the back of the head unit. You can get to the back of the head unit on my car by just dropping down the panel under the steering wheel.
 
 Auxillary inputs should be standard on all radios. Its definitely a good way to go.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: sonickteam2 on January 05, 2005, 05:16:00 pm
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Originally posted by bbbsmith:
  All I can say is XM XM XM...it is solid and will satisfy every tyoe of radio listener.  I bought the unit for Opie and Anthony (much more funny that Howard...Don and Mike or any other "shock" jock) and have been impressed with the content.  Not alot of commercials (some channels have commercials...others do not).  And they play the FULL song.
i cant find any station on XM that i can listen to for more than 20 minutes.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: markie on January 05, 2005, 05:18:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 ]i cant find any station on XM that i can listen to for more than 20 minutes.
How long can you listen to HFS for?
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: bellenseb on January 05, 2005, 05:37:00 pm
I'm still waiting for XM to simply play indie older than 18 months.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: on January 05, 2005, 06:02:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  An hour of future lawyers discussing their LSAT scores.
Hear hear!
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: vansmack on January 05, 2005, 06:46:00 pm
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Originally posted by Xmasie Markie:
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  The install fees are best buy not XM...
Yeah, installation is always a con. But then direct TV installation is free. I guess their subscription price is much higher too.
 
 They were going to charge me $200 at the garage to install the aux cable to hook up external music devices. I did it myself in 10 seconds in the garage forecourt. [/b]
An AUX cable is a little different from an XM unit which requires a satellite antenna and an XM receiver unit mounted to the car somewhere.  Although that hasn't stopped me from considering hooking up an XM unit myself, I'm just a little less inclined to drill holes in a car to mount the tuner and pull out the upholstery to wire the antenna.
 
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Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: PigIron on January 05, 2005, 11:15:00 pm
I'm getting satellite sometime this month.  I had my heart set on Sirius because I'm a Stern fan.  From what I've seen, the music is pretty diverse on both XM and Sirius so it wouldn't matter as far as sounds are concerned.  Also, I'm a big-ass sports fan so baseball and football would be nice.  Based on all this crap I've just written, can someone tell me which way to go?
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: bellenseb on January 05, 2005, 11:20:00 pm
XM has much deeper playlists and baseball...Sirius has Stern, football and endless repeats of only the top "hits". You decide.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: Sir HC on January 05, 2005, 11:22:00 pm
What about the AD hour?  An hour that is all ads, with an occasional song snippet thrown in.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: Jaguär on January 06, 2005, 02:58:00 am
It seems to me that soon someone will come out with a box that will allow you to access both Sirius and XM. Of course, you would end up paying accordingly just like cable tv. Actually, some company will probably come around that will become the central distribution service that will allow you to subscribe to both and other up and coming satelitte companies.
 
 Besides not having the money for either of these options, from what I've seen and heard, at this point, I have no desire to own either as they both are very bland to me. In fact, in many cases, I'd never consider listening to most of their stations. I almost never listen to commercial radio either because it sucks so extremely bad so saying it's one or the other doesn't really apply to me.
 
 Now, wireless internet radio is a whole other thing in my book. That is something that I wish so much that I could have away from my computer. There's tons of good stuff in that direction for me. For now, it's just not in my budget. (Need a job that pays dollars instead of pennies.) Again, the future will probably offer some kind of device that will allow us to link up to everything from the various satellite stations, free commercial crap, cable and free commercial tv and to the internet. The real issue is getting all of these companies to agree on some sort of a common ground. It's definitely doable and would be a very desirable product to the consumer. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Comcast isn't already trying to work this one out.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: Jaguär on January 06, 2005, 03:02:00 am
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
  What about the AD hour?  An hour that is all ads, with an occasional song snippet thrown in.
That's MTV.
 
 Oh, excuse me, that's all damn day and night!
 
 What really irks me is when they pull that crap on stations that you have to pay for, such as anything but MusicTV.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 06, 2005, 09:35:00 am
On the subject of emptyTV... Ain't it great how M2 was created to show videos again and is now becoming a wasteland of countdown shows and special programming.  VH1 is only good for "Best Week Ever" where babybirds get their news.
 
 Now there is MTV Hits which is where they show the crap mainstream videos.  
 
 The only channel worth watching is VH1 Classic which is where I end when there is need for quality background noise.  Although one night they had Sugar, Stone Roses, etc on which was really fab.
 
 Still feel no real compelling reason to subscribe to sat radio, especially when a package arrives in the mail with cds burnt full of new tunage.  Cheers for that...
 
 Sirus has just added a Little Steven's Underground Garage channel which could be of interest because shock horror it has shows hosted and programmed by real and knowledgable DJs and not some clueless personality.  But then again the DJ shows are only on the weekend...
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: Sir HC on January 06, 2005, 09:51:00 am
I think the MTV business model is to start new channels with all videos all the time and then slowly creep them over to other B.S. as people start to watch.  I used to love M2, it had some great stuff, now it is really bad.
 
 Speaking of MTV, I was driving up Rte. 5 yesterday and saw a sign for TRL Ministries.  I just wondered how that would work and if Carson was there.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: on January 06, 2005, 10:02:00 am
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Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: bellenseb on January 06, 2005, 10:26:00 am
One (presumably) easy way for the satellites to improve their programming greatly would be to pick up the feeds of great independent and college stations like WFMU, KCRW, etc. Radio@Netscape does this.
 
 But yes, unbelievably, even with 60 odd music channels, in general each one is pretty bland, with a few exceptions. No matter how much they compartmentalize they still are very LCD focused.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: sonickteam2 on January 06, 2005, 10:29:00 am
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Originally posted by Xmasie Markie:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 ]i cant find any station on XM that i can listen to for more than 20 minutes.
How long can you listen to HFS for? [/b]
I am not sure i even know where HFS on the dial anymore.
 
   though, not growing up here, i never really thought that station was anything but crap.
Title: Re: The worst thing on Radio
Post by: Bombay Chutney on January 06, 2005, 10:33:00 am
About 3 years ago my cable company picked up MTV2 and I loved it.  A few months later I moved and my new cable company didn't offer it.  I got digital cable about a month ago and the first channel I checked out was MTV2.  What a load of crap that has turned into over the last few years.  Absolutely worthless.
 
 kosmo is correct though.  VH1 Classic can be quite good.  Over the last few days I've seen Bauhaus, Alien Sex Fiend, XTC, Wendy O. Williams, an hour of interviews/music with The Smithereens and a lot more.  They tend to be a bit 80's-heavy, but that's why they call it "Classic", I guess.
 
 Then again, I love XM too.