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vansmack

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« Reply #105 on: March 29, 2014, 11:39:29 am »
It's 3 years, not 2.

And he's arbitration eligible next season, where after Cabrera's deal, he was likely to make $25-$30 million next year and as much as $40 million in 2017.

2015 - $25 million
2016 - $30 million
2017 - $35 million

So that's $90 million the Angels were committed to.

So for another $50 million, they signed Trout for 2018-2020 for an average value of $18 million.  That's the definition of a bargain.

When the O's don't do the same with Machado and he becomes a Yankee, I'll remind about how good GM's and Owners handle once in a generation talents.   
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« Reply #106 on: March 29, 2014, 11:48:50 am »
yeah..to me it looks like a bargain...

shemptiness

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« Reply #107 on: March 29, 2014, 12:12:29 pm »
Pretty soon it'll be $50 to sit in the bleachers.  There's your bargain. 

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« Reply #108 on: March 29, 2014, 02:28:09 pm »
Pretty soon it'll be $50 to sit in the bleachers.  There's your bargain. 

TV revenue is driving these salaries,  not ticket sales.  Your cable bill will go up at a higher rate than bleacher seats.
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« Reply #109 on: March 29, 2014, 02:45:03 pm »
I need another stellar healthy season or two from Manny before I call him a once in a generation player...

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« Reply #110 on: March 29, 2014, 03:59:43 pm »
Pretty soon it'll be $50 to sit in the bleachers.  There's your bargain. 

that is true...it is getting pricey to go to games

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« Reply #111 on: March 29, 2014, 04:02:11 pm »
It's 3 years, not 2.

And he's arbitration eligible next season, where after Cabrera's deal, he was likely to make $25-$30 million next year and as much as $40 million in 2017.

2015 - $25 million
2016 - $30 million
2017 - $35 million

So that's $90 million the Angels were committed to.

So for another $50 million, they signed Trout for 2018-2020 for an average value of $18 million.  That's the definition of a bargain.

When the O's don't do the same with Machado and he becomes a Yankee, I'll remind about how good GM's and Owners handle once in a generation talents.   

The Angels will be awful with Trout.  How do you get 25 million for 2015. There has never been an arbitration award close to that.  Much less the ridiculous number you put up for 2017.  He has to be compared to other 4th year player none of whom are making half of that.  

If Machado goes I won't be mad as I am sure it will be the benefit of the team.  I would rather have a winning team without Machado than a losing one with him.  I can tell you this that DD would never give him an insane deal like Trout got. And what is worse is other players are going to use Trouts figure in their arbitration.  Angels idiot GM is hurting other clubs with stupid deal.

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« Reply #112 on: March 29, 2014, 04:09:54 pm »
In 2016 the Angels will be spending 112 million on 5 players.  Add to them having the worst farm team in baseball and things will be really ugly for them.

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« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2014, 04:36:15 pm »
Pretty soon it'll be $50 to sit in the bleachers.  There's your bargain. 

TV revenue is driving these salaries,  not ticket sales.  Your cable bill will go up at a higher rate than bleacher seats.


Very true, but ticket prices are also a part of the equation.

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« Reply #114 on: March 29, 2014, 05:06:28 pm »
There has never been an arbitration award close to that.  Much less the ridiculous number you put up for 2017.  He has to be compared to other 4th year player none of whom are making half of that.

As usual,  you are ignoring certain parts of the CBA that pertain to this particular case.  It's called the "special accomplishments"  clause:

 "This shall not limit the ability of a Player or his representative, because of special accomplishment to argue the equal relevance of salaries of Players without regard to service, and the arbitration panel shall give whatever weight to such argument as is deemed appropriate"

Essentially the player's representative can argue that the player's accomplishments are so unique as to demand comparison to players outside the designated group of comparable players.

The Players Association was chomping at the bit to test this clause with Trout.  MLB owners and GM's are praising the Angels for not letting Trout get to Arbitration.  Can you imagine if he had won the MVP this season and then gone to Arbitration?
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« Reply #115 on: March 29, 2014, 05:08:05 pm »
I need another stellar healthy season or two from Manny before I call him a once in a generation player...

I agree.  I was being hyperbolic to prove a point. 
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« Reply #116 on: March 30, 2014, 12:23:19 pm »
The entire Yankees starting lineup tomorrow (and they are their likely regulars) will be over the age of 30.  And their first pinch hitter will likely be 40.
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« Reply #117 on: March 30, 2014, 04:07:51 pm »
It's 3 years, not 2.

And he's arbitration eligible next season, where after Cabrera's deal, he was likely to make $25-$30 million next year and as much as $40 million in 2017.

2015 - $25 million
2016 - $30 million
2017 - $35 million

So that's $90 million the Angels were committed to.

So for another $50 million, they signed Trout for 2018-2020 for an average value of $18 million.  That's the definition of a bargain.

When the O's don't do the same with Machado and he becomes a Yankee, I'll remind about how good GM's and Owners handle once in a generation talents.   

The Angels will be awful with Trout.  How do you get 25 million for 2015. There has never been an arbitration award close to that.  Much less the ridiculous number you put up for 2017.  He has to be compared to other 4th year player none of whom are making half of that.  

If Machado goes I won't be mad as I am sure it will be the benefit of the team.  I would rather have a winning team without Machado than a losing one with him.  I can tell you this that DD would never give him an insane deal like Trout got. And what is worse is other players are going to use Trouts figure in their arbitration.  Angels idiot GM is hurting other clubs with stupid deal.

i know it's a different decade and a different ballclub, but DD was responsible for the manny ramirez lucrative contract.  i don't think he'd hesitate to pull the trigger on another huge deal again. 

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« Reply #118 on: March 31, 2014, 01:07:45 pm »
Proud to live in the only state in the Union where Opening Day is a State Holiday (Albeit for totally different reasons, but I'll take it).

Play ball!  For 12 straight hours!
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« Reply #119 on: April 01, 2014, 11:08:49 am »
O's!!!

what great weather (minus wind..i think i have wind burn) for opening day