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maybe worth checking out.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=495&ncid=495&e=7&u=/ap/20031117/ap_en_mu/music_tracks (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=495&ncid=495&e=7&u=/ap/20031117/ap_en_mu/music_tracks)
New Music Magazine Is Aimed at Older Fans
Mon Nov 17, 3:59 PM ET
By DAVID BAUDER, Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK - Publishing executive John Rollins, who witnessed the infancy of Vibe and Spin magazines, had a revelation one day when he dropped a Buena Vista Social Club album into his CD player.
"The type of music I was listening to at home over the weekend was not the music that could be found in the pages of either of the magazines I helped found," he said.
So he decided to start a new one, aimed at the burgeoning market of adults over 30 who buy music. Tracks makes its debut on newsstands Tuesday.
Sting's blue eyes stare out from the cover, which promises that Tracks is about "music built to last." Besides Sting, there are articles about Cassandra Wilson (news), Robert Plant (news) and R.E.M (news - web sites). A lengthy and eclectic CD review section features pieces on Dolly Parton (news), Rufus Wainright, Al Green (news), Van Morrison (news), Death Cab for Cutie and Basement Jaxx.
Over the past decade, music buyers over age 30 have become the majority. They accounted for 56 percent of the music purchased in 2002, up from 46 percent a decade earlier, according to the Recording Industry Association of America (news - web sites).
The joke â?? one with a bitter ring of truth for the music industry â?? is that older listeners are the majority because so many younger people are downloading music for free online.
Older listeners wield formidable purchasing power. Rollins, who joined Spin two years after it started in 1985 and helped found Vibe in 1993, enticed investors with statistics showing people aged 30 and over bought $7.5 billion worth of music in 2001, up from $3.2 billion a decade earlier.
Billboard's current Top 50 album chart contained 21 discs by artists who arguably appeal most to this group, including Rod Stewart (news), the Eagles, Bette Midler (news), Norah Jones (news), Toby Keith (news), Sarah McLachlan (news) and Barbra Streisand (news).
That doesn't include discs by Ryan Adams (news), the Strokes or John Mayer (news), whose music â?? if not the names â?? should be familiar to older listeners.
"We've clearly seen that there is a very large, very significant part of the music-listening and music-buying audience that is not being spoken to by any of the existing music media â?? not just magazines, but TV channels and radio stations," said Alan Light, Tracks' editor-in-chief.
Rolling Stone is the magazine that resonates most with this audience, but it has kept its focus squarely on teens and young adults. Jessica Simpson (news), vacuuming in her underwear, graced the most recent Rolling Stone cover.
Blender, The Source, Vibe and Spin are all successful reaching groups with different tastes, but are also aimed at young people.
Still, there are plenty of places outside of music magazines, such as newspapers, where artists can reach their listeners, said Bill Flanagan, senior vice president of MTV Networks.
"It would be misleading to base your business plan on the assumption that people who read music magazines only read music magazines," said Flanagan, former editor of Musician magazine, which sought this audience during the 1980s.
Tracks' success depends in part on convincing artists that the magazine is a place where they can talk more in depth about their music than they can elsewhere, he said.
Despite the void of U.S. magazines trying to reach this audience, it's a thriving business in Britain with publications like Mojo and Uncut. Mojo is more focused on nostalgia and appeals to fanatics instead of casual fans, Light said.
"When I read Mojo, I come away thinking that music used to be really cool, and that's a very dangerous place to be," he said. "Music is still very cool."
Tracks' start coincides with a severe music industry sales slump. But although 60 percent of new magazines never make it through their first year, the climate for start-ups is better now than it has been for several years, said Samir A. Husni, a journalism professor at the University of Mississippi who publishes an annual guide to magazines.
Tracks has a good business plan, but it's unclear whether the people who are buying this music will want to buy a magazine, Husni said.
Many of the discs successful with this audience, like Jones' debut and the "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack, started slow and built by word of mouth, Light said.
Tracks is trying the same approach with a conservative business plan.
Although the goal is to be a monthly, it will publish only five issues next year. Advertisers have been promised a circulation of only 100,000; Hollins said fewer than 3 percent of people over age 30 who buy music regularly would have to buy Tracks for the magazine to reach that circulation goal.
Flanagan said this is wise; many new magazines promise huge circulations "and collapse under the weight of trying to achieve that."
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
maybe worth checking out.
Spin magazine
hehehehehhheeeehehhehehhhe.........you bored today or something?
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There's a review of some music mags in today's Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54890-2003Nov17.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54890-2003Nov17.html)
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Markie's really getting out of touch with what's what, judging by this daily vidcap from his Mac
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Kinda of a lame name for a magazine: Tracks. Sounds a bit inert.
Who has the money to fork out for music magazines anymore? I typically just browse them at the newstand. :cool:
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older people may be buying music regularly, but those doing so, are they really listening to Sting, REM, Dolly Parton and all that shite.
I just hoped they were spur of moment purchases by uneducated customers. Aiming a magazine at them would be futile.
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older people may be buying music regularly, but those doing so, are they really listening to Sting, REM, Dolly Parton and all that shite.
Apparently, they are, mankie. My mother bought a No Doubt CD recently and went to see them live. She will be 50 next year.
:cool:
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Originally posted by markie:
older people may be buying music regularly, but those doing so, are they really listening to Sting, REM, Dolly Parton and all that shite.
I just hoped they were spur of moment purchases by uneducated customers. Aiming a magazine at them would be futile.
Not only are they really listening to it, they are also dishing out the big ticket prices for the tours.
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Originally posted by markie:
older people may be buying music regularly, but those doing so, are they really listening to Sting, REM, Dolly Parton and all that shite.
I just hoped they were spur of moment purchases by uneducated customers. Aiming a magazine at them would be futile.
apparently everyone isnt as cool as you and Rhett.
people are buying that Sting Cd like its going out of style (or already has)
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Originally posted by PR_GMR:
older people may be buying music regularly, but those doing so, are they really listening to Sting, REM, Dolly Parton and all that shite.
Apparently, they are, mankie. My mother bought a No Doubt CD recently and went to see them live. She will be 50 next year.
:)
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Yeah!
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You doodle, you!
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Comprehension......
notice the "regularly"...... in my first comment on this thread.
I know people buy shit CDs. Do the people that buy a sting CD really buy music regularly? I presumed they didnt. Perhaps I am wrong. That is what I was trying to get out.
I mean do these people even care about music at all? Or is it something to put in the in the, in car, 6 cd stacker for the next year to avoid listening to GC on the radio?
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posted by sonickteam
ha.
you called markie, mankie
Oops.
It's easy to get them confused if you read the posts fast. They just melt together. :p
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Well, markie. the one thing that i noticed from working at a record store, actually, 4 of them, 2 in MD, one in Boston and one in toronto, is that people actually DO buy these Cds, and they will come in asking for them the day they come out. Sarah McLachlans new Cd for instance, I personally sold 17 copies in 4 hours, the day it came out. And to people i see in the store once a week or so, and i only work there part time.
So, what i have learned is that, no matter how silly or thoughtless or worthless one person thinks a CD or artist is, someone else has thier CD release date marked on thier calendar.
Even those STUPID "Best Of" CDs that contain songs you already have on thier other CDs that people eat up like crack :)
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I think he's missed one important thing.
I bet the, "more mature" ;) music buyers don't buy music magazines. They really don't care if Stings favorite color is seafoam green and pet hates are loud talkers in restaurants, and we certainly don't give a toss about the old pre-sale scams or cut out photo's for our bedroom walls....get my point?
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Originally posted by mankie:
I think he's missed one important thing.
I bet the, "more mature" ;) music buyers don't buy music magazines. They really don't care if Stings favorite color is seafoam green and pet hates are loud talkers in restaurants, and we certainly don't give a toss about the old pre-sale scams or cut out photo's for our bedroom walls....get my point?
you mean old?
haha.
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Thanks Sonick for finally getting what I am talking about.
But are there enough of those people to explain how Norah Jones sold 12 million albums. Or did she just sell a lot because of the huge amount of airplay coupled with it being on the counter/storefront for months on end?
I thought people who liked that boring music read rolling stone?
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"Older" people tend to have greater disposable income, so dropping $17.99 on the new Train, Sting, Rod Stewart album that may only get 4-5 plays is not as big a deal as it is for some entry-level twenty-something who has limited funds competing between beer, dope, or disc.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
So he decided to start a new one, aimed at the burgeoning market of adults over 30 who buy music. Tracks makes its debut on newsstands Tuesday.
Billboard's current Top 50 album chart contained 21 discs by artists who arguably appeal most to this group, including Rod Stewart (news), the Eagles, Bette Midler (news), Norah Jones (news), Toby Keith (news), Sarah McLachlan (news) and Barbra Streisand (news).
That doesn't include discs by Ryan Adams (news), the Strokes or John Mayer (news), whose music â?? if not the names â?? should be familiar to older listeners.
Alas, I don't fall into this category. I hate that at 36 I'm discarded to the "VH-1" pile, though I understand it as that's where most of my friends would land. But Spin, Rolling Stone, etc., are not for me either. I'm in this odd, indie middle ground. I love it, but few reach me. (Okay, I love Magnet, and am giving CMJ another chance.)
Despite the void of U.S. magazines trying to reach this audience, it's a thriving business in Britain with publications like Mojo and Uncut. Mojo is more focused on nostalgia and appeals to fanatics instead of casual fans, Light said.
Really? I didn't know that about Mojo. Glad I haven't picked it up. I did pick up Uncut this month, and the stories are pretty varied, and record reviews hit quite a few bands I'd be interested in. I didn't see that "VH-1" skewage...
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Originally posted by markie:
I thought people who liked that boring music read rolling stone?
I thought that was Spin.
BTW., Is Melody maker and Record mirror still around?
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yeah, what strikes me is that these consumers are buying just out of habit. They used to like Sting, so they buy the new Sting album. Or those folks who buy any new Dave Matthews album. I don't see that buying contingent purchasing a whole magazine on music, even if it's supposedly geared towards them. They're not the kind of music fan who would spend a couple hours reading about it.
Originally posted by markie:
older people may be buying music regularly, but those doing so, are they really listening to Sting, REM, Dolly Parton and all that shite.
I just hoped they were spur of moment purchases by uneducated customers. Aiming a magazine at them would be futile.
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Originally posted by mankie:
They really don't care if Stings favorite color is seafoam green and pet hates are loud talkers in restaurants
Someone seems to know quite a bit about Sting........
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Originally posted by Bagster:
yeah, what strikes me is that these consumers are buying just out of habit. They used to like Sting, so they buy the new Sting album. Or those folks who buy any new Dave Matthews album. I don't see that buying contingent purchasing a whole magazine on music, even if it's supposedly geared towards them. They're not the kind of music fan who would spend a couple hours reading about it.
how many people do you know buy Dave Matthews Band and Sting albums?
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How much did you pay for your rock n'roll T-shirt?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Someone seems to know quite a bit about Sting........ [/b]
Not the first thing actually...but I do wonder why all the hipsters hate him but the Police were so huge in hipsterville back in the day.
Success = uncool
perhaps?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
how many people do you know buy Dave Matthews Band and Sting albums? [/b][/QUOTE]
Only you.
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posted by sonickteam
how many people do you know buy Dave Matthews Band and Sting albums?
They're everywhere, really. They're like a contagious disease. :cool:
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Originally posted by mankie:
Success = uncool
perhaps?
self-righteous, pompous, tantric sexing, tree hugging, hypocritical, Jazz musician who makes really crap pop records.
Save the rainforest one year, doing adverts for Jaguar the next.
Oh it makes me mad.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Not the first thing actually...but I do wonder why all the hipsters hate him but the Police were so huge in hipsterville back in the day.
Success = uncool
perhaps?
No. I think the Police were great because you had Stewart Copeland keeping Sting's enormous ego in check. And his drumming skills didn't hurt either.
Once Sting went solo, that chemistry (for lack of a better word) was gone and it was the Mr. Wanker show.
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I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations. thats all.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations. thats all.
Obviously we are all making generalizations.....
But in defending the market for the magazine they also made generalizations...... Over 30s buy half the music, ergo, the regular, old, music purchasers must want a magazine about Sting and Norah Jones and REM, I don think that is necessarily true.
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No, that's not it. I like early Sting, but it's so "rock-lite" now. Though, granted, better rock lite than actual rock lite.
I LOVE the Police -- they were my lifetime fave, though I'm not sure who is now. But, Sting has changed a lot, so I think it's valid to love and respect the Police and not give a crud about the new Sting album...
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Someone seems to know quite a bit about Sting........ [/b]
Success = uncool
perhaps? [/b]
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by mankie:
Success = uncool
perhaps?
self-righteous, pompous, tantric sexing, tree hugging, hypocritical, Jazz musician who makes really crap pop records.
Save the rainforest one year, doing adverts for Jaguar the next.
Oh it makes me mad. [/b]
Yet you'll pay to see the movie directed by a child molester....interesting.
DISCLAIMER!
I am not a Sting fan...although I did like the Englishman in New York song.
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Quite a few. I'd say a lot of my friends who aren't all that in to music (ie, they'd never buy a music mag and rarely go to shows, barring the occasional Simon & Garfunkel reunion tour).
And gay guys. Dance music and VH-1 crap. They're also the guys I know who buy John Mayer and Counting Crows.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
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how many people do you know buy Dave Matthews Band and Sting albums? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations. thats all.
Obviously we are all making generalizations.....
But in defending the market for the magazine they also made generalizations...... Over 30s buy half the music, ergo, the regular, old, music purchasers must want a magazine about Sting and Norah Jones and REM, I don think that is necessarily true. [/b]
I don't think its necessarily untrue.
That demographic certainly can't read Rolling Stone anymore and the indie magazines are probably more than they want. A nice glossy with a spread on the interior design of Sting's 14th-century castle, some "thrift-store chic" fashion tips from Norah Jones, and a primer on exfoliation from Michael Stipe may hit a underserved market.
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations. thats all.
Obviously we are all making generalizations.....
But in defending the market for the magazine they also made generalizations...... Over 30s buy half the music, ergo, the regular, old, music purchasers must want a magazine about Sting and Norah Jones and REM, I don think that is necessarily true. [/b]
perhaps the article may have misguided. I mean, could thye really even MAKE a magazine about just a few others. Its possible that the article just listed the most well known artists the magazine would be covering. Perhaps the 3 big articles may be about Sting and REM but more content featuring other artists.
I dont see why I care, or why i may be defending it...because it sounds silly to me as well.
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I hear you. I'm basing it on the buying habits of a number of my friends...
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations. thats all.
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I just don't see that demographic generally buying a magazine about music, even a glossy one.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I am just wondering because when people start commenting on buying and thought habits about something like that, i wonder if they know this or are making generalizations. thats all.
Obviously we are all making generalizations.....
But in defending the market for the magazine they also made generalizations...... Over 30s buy half the music, ergo, the regular, old, music purchasers must want a magazine about Sting and Norah Jones and REM, I don think that is necessarily true. [/b]
I don't think its necessarily untrue.
That demographic certainly can't read Rolling Stone anymore and the indie magazines are probably more than they want. A nice glossy with a spread on the interior design of Sting's 14th-century castle, some "thrift-store chic" fashion tips from Norah Jones, and a primer on exfoliation from Michael Stipe may hit a underserved market. [/b]
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Originally posted by Bagster:
I just don't see that demographic generally buying a magazine about music, even a glossy one.
especially a glossy one.
but maybe thats why none of us are in marketing :)
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Originally posted by mankie:
Yet you'll pay to see the movie directed by a child molester....interesting.
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If his music was any good, I doubt the rest would bother me so much. I can forgive great crimes if there is great art.
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Dupek Chopra is demented! :D
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Originally posted by Bagster:
I just don't see that demographic generally buying a magazine about music, even a glossy one.
I think it could work.
- "Older" people are buying more music.
- There isn't a magazine serving this market.
- The demographic has high disposable income.
- Magazine readership is up, especially among households making >$60,000.
Of course, a lot would depend on the content of the magazine. I agree that this demographic probably doesn't want endless arcane information about the band members, but if it were a music magazine with a mix of other style-related articles, I don't think it would have a lot of trouble reaching its target circulation of 100,000
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On the surface the rationale for this new publication is plausible--it is a niche that is not currently filled. However, I strongly suspect that is because it's not a very big niche. It was prudent of them to manage downward their first-year circulation expectations. To get beyond that level will require one of two things to happen. Either there really are hordes of older music consumers out there, aching to learn more in-depth information about music and musicians, who have somehow been missed all these years by all the other trendspotters in the magazine and entertainment delivery industries (unlikely, but possible); or the appearance of this magazine will become a catalytic event, mobilizing older, somnolent music consumers to care suddenly once again about having a level of involvement with their music that they mostly abandoned many years before, or never previously enjoyed at all ("unlikely" doesn't begin to cover it).
While there are exceptions (some of whom post here), it is generally the case that as people age, they are less and less intensely involved with the recorded music they listen to. It becomes a soundtrack, or backdrop, to the rest of their lives rather than a primary activity. Very few people my age will simply sit and listen hard to a CD end-to-end, trying to relate actively to whatever the artist is laying down. Listening for them is mostly passive, intermittent, and accompanied by involvement in other activities requiring the better part of their attention.
Two things (at least) contribute to this change in listening habits. One is that as people get older, there are more demands on their time and they acquire other primary avocations. It's harder to budget the time to music appreciation--especially recorded music appreciation--that a younger person might. A second, related factor is that really getting inside a genre, artist, or even a particular composition is almost like learning a new language. To the hardcore music fan, this discovery process is one of the real joys of fandom. To many aging and disengaging former hardcore fans (and 100% of casual listeners), learning more languages becomes harder and harder to commit to. So their musical tastes increasingly get frozen in time. Sting may be a pale caricature of his former incarnation as a Policeman, but the people who once learned how to appreciate his musical and songwriting techniques don't have to work very hard to get something out of his latest CD. For them, it encapsulates some of the feelings and responses they once had to his earlier work, just by being recognizably his. So they'll buy it.
Does that mean they'll also buy a magazine full of a former rock star's meandering thoughts, pictures of his home furnishing choices, and copious advertising for expensive knockoffs of those choices? Nobody asked me, but I don't think I'd have invested in that venture.
Interestingly (to me anyway), the relationship which those same over-the-hill maybe-pseudo-former fans have with live music is much more similar to the way fanatics like the readers of this board relate to live performances by the newer, more original, and generally more passionate artists they favor. That's why you'll see the geezers coming out of the woodwork to pay stupid prices for Eagles tickets. And carrying on at the shows (to the extent their atrophied sense of rhythm and arthritic joints permit) like they think they remember they did 25 years ago. :D
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I'm in this odd, indie middle ground. I love it, but few reach me. (Okay, I love Magnet, and am giving CMJ another chance.)
make no mistake, you are being reached---part of the marketing strategy to "indie" hipsters is to make them think they are not being marketed to and that they discover stuff on their own
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Bagster:
I just don't see that demographic generally buying a magazine about music, even a glossy one.
I think it could work.
- "Older" people are buying more music.
- There isn't a magazine serving this market.
- The demographic has high disposable income.
- Magazine readership is up, especially among households making >$60,000.
Of course, a lot would depend on the content of the magazine. I agree that this demographic probably doesn't want endless arcane information about the band members, but if it were a music magazine with a mix of other style-related articles, I don't think it would have a lot of trouble reaching its target circulation of 100,000 [/b]
Those are good points. However, I think that a safer way to capture that appeal would be including a stronger dose of old-people-friendly music content in "lifestyle" magazines, which are a proven format. In fact, I've noticed that trend on the covers of such magazines (not having a lifestyle which qualifies for magazine coverage myself, I don't actually read the things). Old pop stars who might once have been beyond the pale socially, but who continue to sell records and did not die from their formerly wild lifestyle choices, now qualify as "regular" celebrities. Celebrity + Lifestyle is apparently a recipe for printing money nowadays.
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I don't know, it strikes me that people that spend $2000 a year on cd's are those who are buying out of habit.
Originally posted by Bagster:
yeah, what strikes me is that these consumers are buying just out of habit. They used to like Sting, so they buy the new Sting album. Or those folks who buy any new Dave Matthews album. I don't see that buying contingent purchasing a whole magazine on music, even if it's supposedly geared towards them. They're not the kind of music fan who would spend a couple hours reading about it.
Originally posted by markie:
older people may be buying music regularly, but those doing so, are they really listening to Sting, REM, Dolly Parton and all that shite.
I just hoped they were spur of moment purchases by uneducated customers. Aiming a magazine at them would be futile.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
And gay guys. Dance music and VH-1 crap. They're also the guys I know who buy John Mayer and Counting Crows.
apparently you are as close minded as the people you are talking about being close minded.
hypocrisy is great when written down.
i like dance music and counting crows. am i gay? not indie enough anyway
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Originally posted by Celeste:
I'm in this odd, indie middle ground. I love it, but few reach me. (Okay, I love Magnet, and am giving CMJ another chance.)
make no mistake, you are being reached---part of the marketing strategy to "indie" hipsters is to make them think they are not being marketed to and that they discover stuff on their own [/b]
for once, i agree with celeste AND rhett on this one. I posted this at first to be informational, but apparently it has turned much more entertaining :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
am i gay?
Did you buy the new Streisand album?
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Originally posted by Celeste:
make no mistake, you are being reached---part of the marketing strategy to "indie" hipsters is to make them think they are not being marketed to and that they discover stuff on their own
I thought that was the conventional strategy for marketing to Generation X? Or are all hipsters Gen X?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Celeste:
make no mistake, you are being reached---part of the marketing strategy to "indie" hipsters is to make them think they are not being marketed to and that they discover stuff on their own
I thought that was the conventional strategy for marketing to Generation X? Or are all hipsters Gen X? [/b]
a technique developed for the "Gen X" market honed for others, naturally
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I never said anyone was closed minded. There is nothing wrong with only buying the CDS discussed in this thread. Most people do; I'm the freak with the obsession to buy more and more cds of more and more artists.
Yes, I think a lot of this VH-1 music is crap. You got me there. That was the one judgement I made, and I apologize for offending anyone on it. I'm not saying that for the hell of it, I mean it.
Sorry, but I'm friends with about 50 gay men, and they almost all have the CDs I listed -- but the range is so small. Like I said in an earlier thread, I was making suppositions based on my group of friends and the folks I know. I never said my suppositions were factual or even correct, but they do seem to jibe with the analysis underscoring the launch of the magazine.
How on EARTH you got me saying, "you listen to dance music and Counting Crows so you're gay" is, quite honestly, hysterical. Counting Crows was an example, calm down.
It is so funny to see the things that suddenly set someone on fire here. I've done the same thing. If you believe I'm a hypocrite Sonick, that's fine. But you're logic is nonsensical as well. That was like a syllogism with an entire premise missing.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Bagster:
And gay guys. Dance music and VH-1 crap. They're also the guys I know who buy John Mayer and Counting Crows.
apparently you are as close minded as the people you are talking about being close minded.
hypocrisy is great when written down.
i like dance music and counting crows. am i gay? not indie enough anyway [/b]
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From All Music Guide(not a testament, certainly, but I can't believe anyone doubts that Counting Crows fall into this category we've all been talking about -- which I call "VH-1" and is adult oriented rock):
Counting Crows (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS70311101203100346&sql=C2896)
"Adult Alternative Pop/Rock"
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Originally posted by Bagster:
I never said anyone was closed minded. There is nothing wrong with only buying the CDS discussed in this thread. Most people do; I'm the freak with the obsession to buy more and more cds of more and more artists.
Yes, I think a lot of this VH-1 music is crap. You got me there. That was the one judgement I made, and I apologize for offending anyone on it. I'm not saying that for the hell of it, I mean it.
Sorry, but I'm friends with about 50 gay men, and they almost all have the CDs I listed -- but the range is so small. Like I said in an earlier thread, I was making suppositions based on my group of friends and the folks I know. I never said my suppositions were factual or even correct, but they do seem to jibe with the analysis underscoring the launch of the magazine.
How on EARTH you got me saying, "you listen to dance music and Counting Crows so you're gay" is, quite honestly, hysterical. Counting Crows was an example, calm down.
It is so funny to see the things that suddenly set someone on fire here. I've done the same thing. If you believe I'm a hypocrite Sonick, that's fine. But you're logic is nonsensical as well. That was like a syllogism with an entire premise missing.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Bagster:
And gay guys. Dance music and VH-1 crap. They're also the guys I know who buy John Mayer and Counting Crows.
apparently you are as close minded as the people you are talking about being close minded.
hypocrisy is great when written down.
i like dance music and counting crows. am i gay? not indie enough anyway [/b]
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me saying what i said, was a quote from you. so dont act confused.
as for me, i am not fired up, as i said before, only markie gets me fired up, you, i dont listen to.
and if you are anal retentive enough to know what 50 CDs people besides yourself own, then more power to you.
i just think what your saying is ridiculous and contradicting to the lifestyle you say you live, and asked you a question.
I believe you are the one a little fired up ;)
its ok, its happens to even the best "indie" people sometimes
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Counting Crows (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS70311101203100346&sql=C2896)
"Adult Alternative Pop/Rock"
Allmusic is useless here though as it lumps in trip hop of portishead and snaeker pimps and leaves out matchbox 20, the living embodiment of pop rock.
dont tell Mankie that the beautiful south are prominently featured.......
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Bags: Geesh. How does one get to be friends with 50 gay men? Do you work for a dance troop, or belong to a Bette Midler fan club?
Markie: You have Erasure and Robbie Williams in your cd collection. Other cheesy stuff (by some peoples standards) I'm sure. Your wife has New Kids on the Block paraphanalia in your apartment. I think those things alone would disqualify you from being allowed to judge somebody for owning "shite" like REM or Sting. And I'm willing to bet 10 bucks you haven't heard anything, other than perhaps the admittedly cheezy Zepplin and Eagles covers, off the otherwise quite fine last three Dolly Parton albums.
I think GGW makes some fine points about the marketability of such a magazine. Wouldn't interest me personally (unless someone of interest was in a particular issue), but I think it has a good shot at flying.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
only markie gets me all fired up,
Ok Pat Benetar, did you look here yet?
http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005319 (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005319)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Bags: Geesh. How does one get to be friends with 50 gay men? Do you work for a dance troop, or belong to a Bette Midler fan club?
I went to Vassar ;)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Markie: You have Erasure and Robbie Williams in your cd collection. Other cheesy stuff (by some peoples standards) I'm sure. Your wife has New Kids on the Block paraphanalia in your apartment. I think those things alone would disqualify you from being allowed to judge somebody for owning "shite" like REM or Sting.
To know shite one must embrace it first. Although only the erasure is mine and I only like old erasure. The new erasure is really shite. Actually its worse than shite.
I know nought of Dollys latest releases. I should not have used her as an example.
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<img src="http://www.lather.com/popsilly/eric/./img/willgrace.jpg" alt=" - " />
is that you?
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Originally posted by Celeste:
<img src="http://www.lather.com/popsilly/eric/./img/willgrace.jpg" alt=" - " />
is that you, Bags?
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
only markie gets me all fired up,
Ok Pat Benetar, did you look here yet?
http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005319 (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005319) [/b]
i hate markie
;)
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crap! I meant to edit, not post again
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Nope, I'm not fired up in the least, I'm laughing hysterically in my office. Sounded to me like you got fired up; my mistake.
I wasn't confused at all and never said I was confused. You said I was closeminded, and that I had said the same about others. Believe I'm closeminded, I don't give a hoot. But in the lines you quoted from me for a second time, I never said that. You put in my quote, then claimed that it said something it didn't.
And I don't know what lifestyle you think that I think I live...again, you're cracking me up.
If you don't listen to what I say, then why rant that I insinuated you're gay because you listen to Counting Crows (which is to date one of the funniest responses on this board that i've read so far).
That's it for me on this -- if you want to rant about this more, engage someone else.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Bagster:
I never said anyone was closed minded.
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me saying what i said, was a quote from you. so dont act confused.
as for me, i am not fired up, as i said before, only markie gets me fired up, you, i dont listen to.
and if you are anal retentive enough to know what 50 CDs people besides yourself own, then more power to you.
i just think what your saying is ridiculous and contradicting to the lifestyle you say you live, and asked you a question.
I believe you are the one a little fired up ;)
its ok, its happens to even the best "indie" people sometimes [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Close enough. Though we've never been roommates, my best friend is gay gay gay. And nigh near a perfect human being.
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Celeste:
<img src="http://www.lather.com/popsilly/eric/./img/willgrace.jpg" alt=" - " />
is that you, Bags?
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Speak of the devil and he turns up:
New on pollstar:
Thu
03/11/04 Â Sting Warner Theatre
Please kill me.
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tee hee. I knew about that. Friend of mine works at the Warner. Tix go on sale Saturday, I believe.
I'm actually wondering if I should go...it really would depend on whether he plays *any* Police and his own early, early stuff. What's cool is that the Warner is the smallest venue on his tour.
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At those prices, NO WAY!
Originally posted by markie:
Speak of the devil and he turns up:
New on pollstar:
Thu
03/11/04 Â Sting Warner Theatre
Please kill me.
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Originally posted by markie:
Speak of the devil and he turns up:
New on pollstar:
Thu
03/11/04 Â Sting Warner Theatre
Please kill me.
$78.50 and $98.50
That's actually less than I thought he would charge.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
$78.50 and $98.50
That's actually less than I thought he would charge. [/QB]
I would pay much more than that not to have to go....
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You can get a free issue of Tracks.
https://secure.palmcoastd.com/pcd/document?ikey=0897UHWEB (https://secure.palmcoastd.com/pcd/document?ikey=0897UHWEB)
It's a bad name for a magazine, if for no other reason than the number of others with "Tracks" in their name:
http://www.goattracksmagazine.com/ (http://www.goattracksmagazine.com/)
http://www.tracksmag.com (http://www.tracksmag.com)
http://www.hiddentracksmag.com/hiddentracks.htm (http://www.hiddentracksmag.com/hiddentracks.htm)
http://www.westernhunter.com/Pages/Vol04Issue11/catracks.html (http://www.westernhunter.com/Pages/Vol04Issue11/catracks.html)
http://www.mucc.org/TracksMagazine.htm (http://www.mucc.org/TracksMagazine.htm)
http://www.cpsig.ca/cpsig/cptracks.html (http://www.cpsig.ca/cpsig/cptracks.html)
http://arizona.theinsiders.com/3/FBrecruitingIssue.html (http://arizona.theinsiders.com/3/FBrecruitingIssue.html)
http://www.afterthebattle.com/wtlist.html#cur (http://www.afterthebattle.com/wtlist.html#cur)
http://www.onthetracks.com/pages/magazine.shtml (http://www.onthetracks.com/pages/magazine.shtml)
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Nope, I'm not fired up in the least, I'm laughing hysterically in my office. Sounded to me like you got fired up; my mistake.
I wasn't confused at all and never said I was confused. You said I was closeminded, and that I had said the same about others. Believe I'm closeminded, I don't give a hoot. But in the lines you quoted from me for a second time, I never said that. You put in my quote, then claimed that it said something it didn't.
And I don't know what lifestyle you think that I think I live...again, you're cracking me up.
If you don't listen to what I say, then why rant that I insinuated you're gay because you listen to Counting Crows (which is to date one of the funniest responses on this board that i've read so far).
That's it for me on this -- if you want to rant about this more, engage someone else.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Bagster:
I never said anyone was closed minded.
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me saying what i said, was a quote from you. so dont act confused.
as for me, i am not fired up, as i said before, only markie gets me fired up, you, i dont listen to.
and if you are anal retentive enough to know what 50 CDs people besides yourself own, then more power to you.
i just think what your saying is ridiculous and contradicting to the lifestyle you say you live, and asked you a question.
I believe you are the one a little fired up ;)
its ok, its happens to even the best "indie" people sometimes [/b]
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i never thought you said i was gay. just showing you how your post had no relevancy to the real world.
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You can read selected content here (http://www.tracksmusicmag.com/index.jsp)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
You can read selected content here (http://www.tracksmusicmag.com/index.jsp)
Thanks,
the front cover in beige...... they really are aiming at old people.
The table of contents didnt look too hot either.
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I'd read about My Morning Jacket...but that's about it.
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wow, the cover story is about how abraham lincoln would look if he were an aging hipster
<img src="http://www.tracksmusicmag.com/images/graphic-cover-1.jpg" alt=" - " />
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I'll take this table of contents over Spin or Roling Stone. But still not worth the trees they chopped down to print it.
With all the music print that is available online these days, I'm not sure why people bother to buy music magazines these days, anyway. Unless it covers some specific genre unlike anything already available online.
FEATURES
A Love Supreme by Alan Light
Think what you will of him, Sting has nothing but love for the worldâ??Sacred Love, that is, his ninth album. And a memoir, Broken Music. And 100,000 trees. But mostly love.
Glamoured Girl by Elysa Gardner
With Yeats as an inspiration and Bob Dylan as an admirer, singer Cassandra Wilson has come out with a fifteenth album, Glamoured, that defies easy definition but commands respect.
The 40 Best Music DVDs by Al Weisel
Classic documentaries, historic concerts and groundbreaking videos? the greatest rock & roll can now be seen and heard on disc. Here are 40 DVDs you?ve got to own.
Mountain Man by Barney Hoskyns
Robert Plant talks about mining his solo career for his new two-disc set and striking out on a fresh musical pathâ??one that happens to lead back to the misty mountains of Wales.
A Perfect Fit by Stephanie Zacharek
The five Kentucky boys in My Morning Jacket are breaking new musical ground by getting back to the three R's: roots, rock and reverb.
Fear of Music by Tom Moon
Supposedly intended to protect the security of U.S. borders, new visa regulations are entangling world-music musicians in the terrorist net.
Every Picture Tells a Story: R.E.M. Commentary by Peter Buck
Before they were superstars, the four guys in R.E.M. may have been the coolest cult band ever. A photo diary looks back at the group's early days.
REGULARS
Contributors
Letter from the Editor
Letter from the Publisher
Words of Thanks
Opening Act
Jukebox
The best new albums, from rock to roots, from world to whatever. Now Playing: A Dolly Parton tribute. The Tracks List: The ten best records you didn't hear this year.
Sidetracks
Traveling through blues country. The Grateful Dead's trippy book. Steve Earle and Ray Charles on the big screen. Johnny Cash's TV legacy. Radio you actually want to listen to. Tori Amos, oenologist. Battle-tested audio gear. And more, much more ...
My Back Page
Ryan Adams on performance anxiety.
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
You can read selected content here (http://www.tracksmusicmag.com/index.jsp)
Thanks,
the front cover in beige...... they really are aiming at old people.
The table of contents didnt look too hot either. [/b]
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
am i gay?
Yes (http://www.Sonickteam2.isgay.com)
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my love of new kids stems from trying to desperatly hang on to my childhood................you should appreciate that rhett
plus it's really cool stuff to have in the crapper
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I like to buy magazines because I get the most reading done (that I truly absorb) either when traveling, or taking a good hour or two and sitting down at a table to leaf through, with a good cup of joe (outside preferably). While I do scan the internet, my patience for reading full articles is not so hot.
I don't think mags are the be all and end all, though, just the format I like.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
With all the music print that is available online these days, I'm not sure why people bother to buy music magazines these days, anyway. Unless it covers some specific genre unlike anything already available online.
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
You can read selected content here (http://www.tracksmusicmag.com/index.jsp)
Thanks,
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sweet jesus, what ever happened to Raygun? (I guess that wasn't for old people, though)
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I think for people who grew up reading paper articles it is much easier..... Perhaps that will change with the current generation.
I find it difficult to read books online. I much prefer having print on paper.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
sweet jesus, what ever happened to Raygun?
I think he has alzheimers.........
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ohmigod that was funny.
<img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/lol9.gif" alt=" - " />
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Celeste:
sweet jesus, what ever happened to Raygun?
I think he has alzheimers......... [/b]
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Celeste:
sweet jesus, what ever happened to Raygun?
I think he has alzheimers......... [/b]
only a discussion in the DC metro area could spin so quickly from art to politics, OK, that was *marginally* funny
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We all want to hang onto our childhood somehow i guess...that would explain my non-functioning Fonzie record player.
Originally posted by poorlulu:
my love of new kids stems from trying to desperatly hang on to my childhood................you should appreciate that rhett
plus it's really cool stuff to have in the crapper
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
We all want to hang onto our childhood somehow i guess...that would explain my non-functioning Fonzie record player...
and my glue drinking and crayola eating
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And my intermittent weeping and glee when listening to "Free to Be, You and Me"
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
We all want to hang onto our childhood somehow i guess...that would explain my non-functioning Fonzie record player.
Originally posted by poorlulu:
my love of new kids stems from trying to desperatly hang on to my childhood................you should appreciate that rhett
plus it's really cool stuff to have in the crapper
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Originally posted by Bagster:
[QB] And my intermittent weeping and glee when listening to "Free to Be, You and Me"
huh? whazzat?
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I think you put yourself in the VH-1 pile by paying 60 smackers to see Lyle Lovett live. :)
Originally posted by Bagster:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
So he decided to start a new one, aimed at the burgeoning market of adults over 30 who buy music. Tracks makes its debut on newsstands Tuesday.
Billboard's current Top 50 album chart contained 21 discs by artists who arguably appeal most to this group, including Rod Stewart (news), the Eagles, Bette Midler (news), Norah Jones (news), Toby Keith (news), Sarah McLachlan (news) and Barbra Streisand (news).
That doesn't include discs by Ryan Adams (news), the Strokes or John Mayer (news), whose music â?? if not the names â?? should be familiar to older listeners.
Alas, I don't fall into this category. I hate that at 36 I'm discarded to the "VH-1" pile, though I understand it as that's where most of my friends would land. But Spin, Rolling Stone, etc., are not for me either. I'm in this odd, indie middle ground. I love it, but few reach me. (Okay, I love Magnet, and am giving CMJ another chance.)
Despite the void of U.S. magazines trying to reach this audience, it's a thriving business in Britain with publications like Mojo and Uncut. Mojo is more focused on nostalgia and appeals to fanatics instead of casual fans, Light said.
Really? I didn't know that about Mojo. Glad I haven't picked it up. I did pick up Uncut this month, and the stories are pretty varied, and record reviews hit quite a few bands I'd be interested in. I didn't see that "VH-1" skewage... [/b]
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Oh yeah. I recently bought the CD, and it makes me so happy and so sad (my mom used to play it for us again and again -- so 70s p.c.). Long story you don't want to hear, but it's pretty bittersweet now. Wish it didn't sound so outdated as well.
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VH-1 *wish* they were cool enough for Lyle! :)
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aren't there starving children somewhere?
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Originally posted by Celeste:
aren't there starving children somewhere?
Yes
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It's worth flipping thru at a yer favorite mega-book store if you liked and followed early REM.
They're all early photos of REM with commentary by Peter Buck.
There's even shots of them opening for the Police.
The shot of them playing the Rat in Boston makes me wish I could've seen a show there back in the day.
There is also a DC shot of them in the Hotel Harrington after playing the 9:30. Stipe is reading a teen mag while the rest are reading books.
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I like the idea of the magazine and I love that the industry is finally recognizing that we over 30 year olds are doing our part to support the record industry even though before they never bothered to recognize us as a viable part of the market. Unfortunately, I can't stand any of the music that they are covering.
Lost again without a generation to belong to. :roll:
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So a dude on the WOXY board read the magazine. This was his take:
Okay, so I read it. You know what? It's not too bad, though I doubt anyone here will subscribe. It's like a general survey of what's shaking and what's good in R&B, rock, jazz, world, and pop. Very few bad reviews, and only one review of a debut cd-- and it was Joss Stone.
It's nice if you like good music but don't have the time in a particular genre to filter the wheat from the chaff. Early VH-1 or say, mid/late eighties Rolling Stone are good comparisons. I think that even if Rolling Stone got its focus back on music, a lot of us still wouldn't read it because the bands we are into aren't big enough to garner their attention. Same scenario here.
I could see this magazine appealing to some of my friends. They were big into music in college and are still music fans. They hate what's on the radio, they hate Rolling Stone. They buy maybe 5-10 cd's a year but would probably buy more if they could figure out what is out there. Problem is, I don't know how many people like this there are left.
For the rest of us, well how many interviews with Sting and REM have we already read? Still, for something like Jazz where I'm into good jazz but don't follow the scene it's somewhat useful.
I think The Shins sums it up. They are listed under the "best 10 albums you've haven't heard this year." Hey, good job covering and recognizing The Shins. OTOH, pretty much everyone here has not only heard The Shins new album, but probably also the last one many times. We've already formed an opinion.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
aren't there starving children somewhere?
I'm not sure of your point, Celeste.
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Originally posted by slappy:
They're all early photos of REM with commentary by Peter Buck.
There's even shots of them opening for the Police.
woo hoo -- I saw that tour! Okay, I've reassessed; I think it will be a fab mag!
;)
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
I like the idea of the magazine and I love that the industry is finally recognizing that we over 30 year olds are doing our part to support the record industry even though before they never bothered to recognize us as a viable part of the market. Unfortunately, I can't stand any of the music that they are covering.
That's true, Jag. As the generation that finally has disposable income, we still get viciously ignored as a less than desirable demographic. I guess recognition of the cash we spend is a step in the right direction. I buy lots of albums, some in the "Tracks" vein, but I realize that i also spend a lot of money on those tours (thought the Simon & Garfunkel show is the most expensive I've been to...haven't done any of those huge Stones/Bruce/Sting shows...)
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Originally posted by Bagster:
And my intermittent weeping and glee when listening to "Free to Be, You and Me"
i listened to those records endlessly when i was a kid. a couple of years back, my dad gave me a copy of the book (autographed by marlo thomas) and the cd. i recently found a dvd release of it as well. i still watch it from time to time. my favorite part is rosey greer singing "it's alright to cry."
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The 10 albums you haven't heard:
1. Kathleen Edwards
2. Ben Taylor Band
3. Four Tet
4. Jason Moran
5. Howard Tate
6. The Waifs
7. Ghazal
8. Jesse Malin
9. The Moles
10. The Shins
I wonder how many of those Mr. WOXY listener HAS heard?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
So a dude on the WOXY board read the magazine. This was his take:
Okay, so I read it. You know what? It's not too bad, though I doubt anyone here will subscribe. It's like a general survey of what's shaking and what's good in R&B, rock, jazz, world, and pop. Very few bad reviews, and only one review of a debut cd-- and it was Joss Stone.
It's nice if you like good music but don't have the time in a particular genre to filter the wheat from the chaff. Early VH-1 or say, mid/late eighties Rolling Stone are good comparisons. I think that even if Rolling Stone got its focus back on music, a lot of us still wouldn't read it because the bands we are into aren't big enough to garner their attention. Same scenario here.
I could see this magazine appealing to some of my friends. They were big into music in college and are still music fans. They hate what's on the radio, they hate Rolling Stone. They buy maybe 5-10 cd's a year but would probably buy more if they could figure out what is out there. Problem is, I don't know how many people like this there are left.
For the rest of us, well how many interviews with Sting and REM have we already read? Still, for something like Jazz where I'm into good jazz but don't follow the scene it's somewhat useful.
I think The Shins sums it up. They are listed under the "best 10 albums you've haven't heard this year." Hey, good job covering and recognizing The Shins. OTOH, pretty much everyone here has not only heard The Shins new album, but probably also the last one many times. We've already formed an opinion.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Originally posted by Jaguär:
... doing our part to support the record industry
we still get viciously ignored as a less than desirable demographic[/b]
you guys are sick...like consumer culture junkies crying out to your dealers for more junk...you need desperately to go camping or something
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It's alright to cry,
Crying gets the sad out of you...
Yup, Rosey Greer. Reverand Rosey Greer now.
Beautiful stuff. An autographed book, you say. Very cool.
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Bagster:
And my intermittent weeping and glee when listening to "Free to Be, You and Me"
i listened to those records endlessly when i was a kid. a couple of years back, my dad gave me a copy of the book (autographed by marlo thomas) and the cd. i recently found a dvd release of it as well. i still watch it from time to time. my favorite part is rosey greer singing "it's alright to cry." [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The 10 albums you haven't heard:
1. Kathleen Edwards
2. Ben Taylor Band
3. Four Tet
4. Jason Moran
5. Howard Tate
6. The Waifs
7. Ghazal
8. Jesse Malin
9. The Moles
10. The Shins
I wonder how many of those Mr. WOXY listener HAS heard?
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I'm unfamiliar with all of them but the Shins. Thoughts on the list, Rhett?
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Guess you won't be surprised that I hate camping. Did it once, and that's it. A B&B in a small town is okay....
Why are we sick, because we buy a lot of albums, or because we want attention from the sellers? I'm not disagreeing, I'm way too consumer oriented. I should have some kids.
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Bagster:
Originally posted by Jaguär:
... doing our part to support the record industry
we still get viciously ignored as a less than desirable demographic[/b]
you guys are sick...like consumer culture junkies crying out to your dealers for more junk...you need desperately to go camping or something [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The 10 albums you haven't heard:
1. Kathleen Edwards
2. Ben Taylor Band
3. Four Tet
4. Jason Moran
5. Howard Tate
6. The Waifs
7. Ghazal
8. Jesse Malin
9. The Moles
10. The Shins
I wonder how many of those Mr. WOXY listener HAS heard?
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I wonder how many WOXY would be interested in playing. I only remember Jesse Malin getting played on WOXY. And he is a shitty Ryan Adams clingon, right?
But a lot of the rest of the acts, arent they old peoples music? Jazz and mellow country. Perhaps I have heard them whilst being transported in a taxicab?
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Guess you won't be surprised that I hate camping. Did it once, and that's it. A B&B in a small town is okay....
Why are we sick, because we buy a lot of albums, or because we want attention from the sellers? I'm not disagreeing, I'm way too consumer oriented. I should have some kids.
I'm just busting your chops, but there is some truth to it, as you may admit...having kids won't solve it...in many cases it makes it worse...I'm not saying I'm immune either, though I try to fight it, at least and don't beg for more...I just think it's funny that you guys mentioned "supporting the record industry" and whined about not being marketed to...
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The Wrens were also on that list.
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Old peoples music? Why must you pidgeonhole everything? You're doing exactly what GGW says that I do.
To me, good music is good music, regardless of who it is marketed to. I tend to think 95% of music is not good music, including that which gets the WOXY or KEXP stamp of play.
Of those on this list, I've heard # 1,2,5,6,8,10 at least a track or two of each. That being said, I only own #10, and #6 is the only other one I would pick up if the price was right.
Guess my point was that I'm willing to wager that most of the albums on this list have not been heard by most people, including the more than casual music listener.
And no, based on the little mini-reviews of each of these, they are not marketed to "old people". Not a one of them sounded like it would appeal to someone of my mom's generation.
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The 10 albums you haven't heard:
1. Kathleen Edwards
2. Ben Taylor Band
3. Four Tet
4. Jason Moran
5. Howard Tate
6. The Waifs
7. Ghazal
8. Jesse Malin
9. The Moles
10. The Shins
I wonder how many of those Mr. WOXY listener HAS heard?
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I wonder how many WOXY would be interested in playing. I only remember Jesse Malin getting played on WOXY. And he is a shitty Ryan Adams clingon, right?
But a lot of the rest of the acts, arent they old peoples music? Jazz and mellow country. Perhaps I have heard them whilst being transported in a taxicab? [/QB]
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Perhaps they were #11.
Or we looked at different issues of the magazine. I looked at the issue with Sting on the cover. I would guess that this would ber a regular monthly feature?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The Wrens were also on that list.
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No, really, I hear you! I spend so much frickin' money on music...it's stupid. Though, a couple friends me have soothed me with the argument that it IS my hobby.
I fully admit to wishing I were a bit less merchandise oriented. I think about it a lot -- this weekend I bought myself a ring, and I was paying particular attention to how long that can actually make me happy. Actually, it's an awesome ring so it is still making me pretty happy... ;)
I brought up kids because my friends with kids won't stop talking about how it gives meaning and purpose to their lives.
I will say, aware as I am of my voracious consumerist appetite, I balance it by doing quite a bit of community-oriented volunteer work. That goes a long way to bringing you back down to reality...
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Bagster:
Guess you won't be surprised that I hate camping. Did it once, and that's it. A B&B in a small town is okay....
Why are we sick, because we buy a lot of albums, or because we want attention from the sellers? I'm not disagreeing, I'm way too consumer oriented. I should have some kids.
I'm just busting your chops, but there is some truth to it, as you may admit...having kids won't solve it...in many cases it makes it worse...I'm not saying I'm immune either, though I try to fight it, at least and don't beg for more...I just think it's funny that you guys mentioned "supporting the record industry" and whined about not being marketed to... [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Old peoples music? Why must you pidgeonhole everything? You're doing exactly what GGW says that I do.
because I am an individual and can do what I want, within the law, of course. Perhaps you can make pigeonholing music a crime?
But there is a lot of Jazz and slow country? If old people dont listen to that, what is it doing in this mag? who does?
There is only the one issue of the mag.
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In the Sting issue, I saw a pic of an issue with Ryan Adams on the cover, and on the website, there is a pic of a cover with Norah Jones on the cover. Perhaps these are upcoming issues?
From what I know about these acts,
Kathleen Edwards, Jesse Malin and the Waifs fall into the alt-country category, where a vast majority of fans tend to be 25-40. Not old.
Ben Taylor, I think, tends to appeal to the John Mayer crowd...early 20's, not old.
Howard Tate is an old blues/soul guy...that stuff typically appeals to listeners of all ages.
Ghazal is an Iranian/ world music type. Not my thing, but world stuff seems to appeal to people of varying ages.
Jason Moran appears to be a jazz guy. I don't know enough about modern jazz to comment on the audience.
Four Tet are an electronic outfit from London. Doesn't electronic stuff usually appeal to a younger crowd?
The Moles are an Australian chamber pop outfit that allmusic compares to the Bats and the Chills...who are definitely not "old people music".
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Old peoples music? Why must you pidgeonhole everything? You're doing exactly what GGW says that I do.
because I am an individual and can do what I want, within the law, of course. Perhaps you can make pigeonholing music a crime?
But there is a lot of Jazz and slow country? If old people dont listen to that, what is it doing in this mag? who does?
There is only the one issue of the mag. [/b]
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Jesse Malin did not seem alt country at all to me, but lets not try and define alt country. All I know is he gave one of the most boring performances I have ever seen.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
In the Sting issue, I saw a pic of an issue with Ryan Adams on the cover
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isnt it the sting issue because it has sting on the cover? See the pic at the top of this page.
Over 25 is old. Well that is how the music biz and this mag sees us.
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In the Sting issue, there was one of those drop out cards where you can order the magazine, which had a picture of another issue on it. The cover picture on that issue was of Ryan Adams.
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
In the Sting issue, I saw a pic of an issue with Ryan Adams on the cover
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isnt it the sting issue because it has sting on the cover? See the pic at the top of this page.
Over 25 is old. Well that is how the music biz and this mag sees us. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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A boring live performance doesn't always mean the record sucks, but in my opinion Malin's album was a pretty average Ryan Adams produces alt-country affair.
Originally posted by pollard:
Jesse Malin did not seem alt country at all to me, but lets not try and define alt country. All I know is he gave one of the most boring performances I have ever seen.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] In the Sting issue, there was one of those drop out cards where you can order the magazine, which had a picture of another issue on it. The cover picture on that issue was of Ryan Adams.
That makes more sense. Its a new mag with only five issues to be released in its first year. You might have to wait 11 weeks to get your hands on that Ryan Adams issue.
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Not sure what you mean with that one. I know I don't listen to much of the same music I did when I was 20, and I certainly don't listen to much of the music that today's 20 year olds listen to.
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb]
Over 25 is old. Well that is how the music biz and this mag sees us. [/b]
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Originally posted by markie:
You might have to wait 11 weeks to get your hands on that Ryan Adams issue. [/b]
NO, eleven weeks?!? What will I do without my Ryan Adams issue in time for his show....And now you're gonna tell me I have to wait for the Nora Jones issue as well?!? Life sucks, dudes.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Life sucks, dudes.
I am sure it does, if you are going to Ryan Adams shows.
that was too easy.
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"Chamber Pop"
That sounds right up Markie's alley:
Drawing heavily from the lush, orchestrated work of performers including Brian Wilson, Burt Bacharach, and Lee Hazlewood, Chamber Pop arose largely as a reaction to the lo-fi aesthetic dominant throughout much of the 1990s alternative music community. Inspired in part by the lounge-music revival but with a complete absence of irony or kitsch, chamber pop placed a renewed emphasis on melody and production, as artists layered their baroque, ornate songs with richly textured orchestral strings and horns, all the while virtually denying the very existence of grunge, electronica, and other concurrent musical movements.
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I know I dig it. The Pernice Brothers often get the chamber pop tag.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
"Chamber Pop"
That sounds right up Markie's alley:
Drawing heavily from the lush, orchestrated work of performers including Brian Wilson, Burt Bacharach, and Lee Hazlewood, Chamber Pop arose largely as a reaction to the lo-fi aesthetic dominant throughout much of the 1990s alternative music community. Inspired in part by the lounge-music revival but with a complete absence of irony or kitsch, chamber pop placed a renewed emphasis on melody and production, as artists layered their baroque, ornate songs with richly textured orchestral strings and horns, all the while virtually denying the very existence of grunge, electronica, and other concurrent musical movements.
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I have heard Belle and Sebastian and the cardigans referred to as chamber pop. If so I am right there. I like twee music, I always have. The smiths hardly rocked out now, did they?
I wondere if Pollard liked the Aberdeen album he bought at the weekend, that was super twee...... like a darling buds 45 played at 33.
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Originally posted by markie:
I wondere if Pollard liked the Aberdeen album he bought at the weekend, that was super twee...... like a darling buds 45 played at 33.
I actually like it quite a bit
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by markie:
I wondere if Pollard liked the Aberdeen album he bought at the weekend, that was super twee...... like a darling buds 45 played at 33.
I actually like it quite a bit [/b]
How do you not like Belle and Sebastian and Love? You need to listen to those two bands again.
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Originally posted by markie:
How do you not like Belle and Sebastian and Love? You need to listen to those two bands again.
I find Love to be more out of date than you find the Beatles and I have tried Belle and Sebastian several times, no thanks.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by markie:
I find Love to be more out of date than you find the Beatles and I have tried Belle and Sebastian several times, no thanks. [/b]
Well guess what you are going to be listening to tonight?
Ha Ha.
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Originally posted by markie:
Well guess what you are going to be listening to tonight?
Ha Ha.
my headphones?
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Originally posted by pollard:
Ha Ha.
my headphones? [/QB][/QUOTE]
I dont think I have heard them before, are they new?
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Originally posted by markie:
I dont think I have heard them before, are they new?
it is garage-electroclash glitch-jazz, you would just say it is wanky
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Ok I will stick with Love and belle and Sebastien, then.
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I like The Moles the best from that list with The Shins second. Everyone else can take a hike in the woods with Celeste while I stay home with Bagster and my indoor plumbing and rock out.
The band that I really want to see now is The Fuse! I'm sure they will never make that lame-ass old farts magazine.
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The new Four Tet album that is listed is really good if yer into Boards of Canada or Múm.
I heard a new Boards of Canada is to be released at the beginning of the year.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
6. The Waifs
May 2nd - Birchmere
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
I like The Moles the best from that list with The Shins second. Everyone else can take a hike in the woods with Celeste while I stay home with Bagster and my indoor plumbing and rock out.
hey, you can't dump them off on me (especially that little hag Kathleen Edwards), I wouldn't have any of the lot of them camping with me, except the Shins, and even then, I'd try to get Marty Crandall to stay home