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Title: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 07, 2004, 10:07:00 am
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Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 08, 2004, 08:55:00 am
So, is anyone from the bboard going to Stalin's, er...Reagan's sendoff.  I hear it's going to be a mother of a blowout!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 09:03:00 am
I don't even go to my own relatives funerals, why would I go to his?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: jkeisenh on June 08, 2004, 11:45:00 am
it's a great opportunity to get searched, to get patted down, to get guns pointed at you, to have dogs sniffin' your stuff, and to generally that that true-to-life police state warm fuzzy feeling.
 
 oh, that and get stuck in traffic (if you're silly enough to be a car driver.)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 08, 2004, 11:47:00 am
Does this constant big-brother, guns pointing  pat-down treatment mean that the terrorists have won?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 11:48:00 am
The silver lining for us is not having to worry about making it through rush hour traffic to get to the Orioles game on time. Maybe we'll even catch Barry Bonds taking batting practice.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 11:53:00 am
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  it's a great opportunity to get searched, to get patted down, to get guns pointed at you, to have dogs sniffin' your stuff, and to generally that that true-to-life police state warm fuzzy feeling.
I really doubt that they'll have guns pointed at you and dogs sniffin' your stuff unless you've got something on you that you shouldnt have. Get a clue huh?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: jkeisenh on June 08, 2004, 12:05:00 pm
acutally, it's already this way at the Capitol.  I train on my bike riding up and down Capitol Hill and there are guards in black with semi-automatics patrolling the grounds.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 12:08:00 pm
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  acutally, it's already this way at the Capitol.  I train on my bike riding up and down Capitol Hill and there are guards in black with semi-automatics patrolling the grounds.
And they point their weapons at people? Actually I know what your getting at, I know you were just exagerrating. Pretty much any place federal have people patrolling now. I worked security for the State Department and theres at least five people patrolling the outside of the building, same with the Justice Department and Ronald Reagan Building. Still, it would be easy to get past them but let's hope that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 12:08:00 pm
Are you sure it is like this here in America? I was in Italy and encountered the same thing. I thought that shit only happened in Europe, not right here in ther freaking United States of America@!
 
 
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  acutally, it's already this way at the Capitol.  I train on my bike riding up and down Capitol Hill and there are guards in black with semi-automatics patrolling the grounds.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: sonickteam2 on June 08, 2004, 12:27:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  I really doubt that they'll have guns pointed at you and dogs sniffin' your stuff unless you've got something on you that you shouldnt have. Get a clue huh?
they have dogs at a lot of sporting events now, and they sniff you if they want to.  Apparently you think we still have all of our freedoms dont you
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: sonickteam2 on June 08, 2004, 12:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  same with the Justice Department and Ronald Reagan Building. Still, it would be easy to get past them but let's hope that doesn't happen.
why?  what would happen? terrorists at the Justice Dept?  what are they going to do? hi-jack the building and hold a bunch of old overpaid white politicians hostage?  that sounds like good TV to me!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 12:35:00 pm
Exactly what freedoms are they taking away? As long as you're not carrying anything that you shouldn't be, you're not going to get any hassle.
 
    Sure, it's a pain in the ass to get searched, but better safe than sorry.
 
 
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  I really doubt that they'll have guns pointed at you and dogs sniffin' your stuff unless you've got something on you that you shouldnt have. Get a clue huh?
they have dogs at a lot of sporting events now, and they sniff you if they want to.  Apparently you think we still have all of our freedoms dont you [/b]
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: eltee on June 08, 2004, 12:42:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  I really doubt that they'll have guns pointed at you and dogs sniffin' your stuff unless you've got something on you that you shouldnt have. Get a clue huh?
they have dogs at a lot of sporting events now, and they sniff you if they want to.  [/b]
Geez, they're just trying to make friends.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: sonickteam2 on June 08, 2004, 12:49:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Exactly what freedoms are they taking away? As long as you're not carrying anything that you shouldn't be, you're not going to get any hassle.
 
    Sure, it's a pain in the ass to get searched, but better safe than sorry.
Apparently you havent been at BWI or any other airport when they have a confusion at security (which they call a breach to make it sound important, though they never actually arrest anyone) and have to stand in line for 3 hours while they figure out that they are fucking numbskulls in the first place.
 
      or maybe it hasnt taken you 1/2 hour to get into the hockey game one night because the "guards are there" searching everyone tonight.
   
      as for freedoms, outside of the airport (which has stipped you of almost every freedom you really had there, except to spend $29 on a diposable camera that they inspect for 2 minutes at the security booth) I dont really go out much, but i do know that since 9/11 the road i used to take to work is now blocked off so i have to cut WAY around and it takes me twice as long to get there.
 
    its just sorta funny that for being the "do whatever we want" americans, you people have sure learned how to take it up the ass and shut up afwul quickly!  :)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: keithstg on June 08, 2004, 12:51:00 pm
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  it's a great opportunity to get searched, to get patted down, to get guns pointed at you, to have dogs sniffin' your stuff, and to generally that that true-to-life police state warm fuzzy feeling.
 
 oh, that and get stuck in traffic (if you're silly enough to be a car driver.)
Well, with 20 heads of state coming to town, what were you expecting? Come on. And, why would you be concerned about a dog sniffing your stuff? Leave the cheeb at home.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 12:57:00 pm
Yes, I've encountered all of those annoyances myself, including being threatened to have the cops called on me after I ran out of patience with moron security guards at the airport and became belligerent.
 
    I even have to go through an x=ray detector to get into work now...which means I can't bring the vodka into work anymore.
 
    But you know what? How many terrorists attacks have we had on US soil since 9/11? You gotta figure they must be doing something right.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Exactly what freedoms are they taking away? As long as you're not carrying anything that you shouldn't be, you're not going to get any hassle.
 
    Sure, it's a pain in the ass to get searched, but better safe than sorry.
Apparently you havent been at BWI or any other airport when they have a confusion at security (which they call a breach to make it sound important, though they never actually arrest anyone) and have to stand in line for 3 hours while they figure out that they are fucking numbskulls in the first place.
 
      or maybe it hasnt taken you 1/2 hour to get into the hockey game one night because the "guards are there" searching everyone tonight.
   
      as for freedoms, outside of the airport (which has stipped you of almost every freedom you really had there, except to spend $29 on a diposable camera that they inspect for 2 minutes at the security booth) I dont really go out much, but i do know that since 9/11 the road i used to take to work is now blocked off so i have to cut WAY around and it takes me twice as long to get there.
 
    its just sorta funny that for being the "do whatever we want" americans, you people have sure learned how to take it up the ass and shut up afwul quickly!   :)  [/b]
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: sonickteam2 on June 08, 2004, 01:00:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Yes, I've encountered all of those annoyances myself, including being threatened to have the cops called on me after I ran out of patience with moron security guards at the airport and became belligerent.
 
    I even have to go through an x=ray detector to get into work now...which means I can't bring the vodka into work anymore.
 
    But you know what? How many terrorists attacks have we had on US soil since 9/11? You gotta figure they must be doing something right.
 
listen to what you are saying! how many Terrorist attacks have we had on US soil in the 3 years PRIOR to 9/11, the 3 years before that?
 
   In fact, how many have we had since 1776 or whenever you clowns beat the Brits.
 
   like 4 or something, you are averaging like 1 every 50 years!  so i say, fuck em cause they aint coming back til 2050.  
 
    I bet DC will come up with some big plan to stop the cicadas from coming next year too wont they.   It'll cost us all a lot of money too i am sure.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 01:06:00 pm
spoken like someone who lives in a town terrorists wouldn't bother attacking anyway...
 
 
 and you're a little off on your math:
 
 http://nsi.org/Library/Terrorism/facterr.html (http://nsi.org/Library/Terrorism/facterr.html)
 
 U.S. TERRORIST INCIDENTS
 From 1983 to 1991, the Federal Bureau of Investigation identified 101 terrorist incident in the United States.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: keithstg on June 08, 2004, 01:14:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Yes, I've encountered all of those annoyances myself, including being threatened to have the cops called on me after I ran out of patience with moron security guards at the airport and became belligerent.
 
    I even have to go through an x=ray detector to get into work now...which means I can't bring the vodka into work anymore.
 
    But you know what? How many terrorists attacks have we had on US soil since 9/11? You gotta figure they must be doing something right.
 
listen to what you are saying! how many Terrorist attacks have we had on US soil in the 3 years PRIOR to 9/11, the 3 years before that?
 
   In fact, how many have we had since 1776 or whenever you clowns beat the Brits.
 
   like 4 or something, you are averaging like 1 every 50 years!  so i say, fuck em cause they aint coming back til 2050.  
 
    I bet DC will come up with some big plan to stop the cicadas from coming next year too wont they.   It'll cost us all a lot of money too i am sure. [/b]
No, listen to what YOU are saying. Nothing may happen, so let's be hopelessly unprepared if something should. Sounds like a great idea to me. Hell, I fly every week. Eliminating safety screening would save me time. Ooh, and I wouldn't have to go through a metal detector, or take off my shoes - that's just soo difficult...
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: jkeisenh on June 08, 2004, 01:16:00 pm
Bottom line:
 If someone really wants to do something, they will find a way, no matter how many dogs/searches/uzi's seem to be trying to hold them back.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 01:19:00 pm
But if you can stop 19 out of 20 potential threats by using proper security, isn't only one terrorist attack better than 20?
 
 
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  Bottom line:
 If someone really wants to do something, they will find a way, no matter how many dogs/searches/uzi's seem to be trying to hold them back.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: keithstg on June 08, 2004, 01:34:00 pm
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  Bottom line:
 If someone really wants to do something, they will find a way, no matter how many dogs/searches/uzi's seem to be trying to hold them back.
Oh, ok. Then let's not attempt to deter anything, and just bow to their superior will - it's more convenient that way. It's too bad you place more faith in terrorism being inevitable than you do our security measures.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 01:44:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Oh, ok. Then let's not attempt to deter anything, and just bow to their superior will - it's more convenient that way. It's too bad you place more faith in terrorism being inevitable than you do our security measures.
is there anything the government does that you don't trust completely?  
 
 maybe we could try and solve the problems of why terrorists want to attack us rather than spending millions upon millions of dollars on securing us from ourselves, sure a lot of these security measures are not a huge hassle, but they aren't all necessary either, they can't secure everything, so why not create an environment where they don't need to
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Venerable Bede on June 08, 2004, 01:45:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
  is there anything the government does that you don't trust completely?  
 
 maybe we could try and solve the problems of why terrorists want to attack us rather than spending millions upon millions of dollars on securing us from ourselves, sure a lot of these security measures are not a huge hassle, but they aren't all necessary either, they can't secure everything, so why not create an environment where they don't need to
they hate our freedom. . .
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 01:48:00 pm
Terrorists want to attack us because they are fucking terrorists. They are completely out of their mind goons.
 
 There's your answer as to why terrorists want to attack us.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Oh, ok. Then let's not attempt to deter anything, and just bow to their superior will - it's more convenient that way. It's too bad you place more faith in terrorism being inevitable than you do our security measures.
is there anything the government does that you don't trust completely?  
 
 maybe we could try and solve the problems of why terrorists want to attack us rather than spending millions upon millions of dollars on securing us from ourselves, sure a lot of these security measures are not a huge hassle, but they aren't all necessary either, they can't secure everything, so why not create an environment where they don't need to [/b]
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 01:49:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  they hate our freedom. . .
don't forget our liberty
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 01:50:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Terrorists want to attack us because they are fucking terrorists. They are completely out of their mind goons.
 
 There's your answer as to why terrorists want to attack us.
 
I hope you are kidding
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: keithstg on June 08, 2004, 01:50:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
 maybe we could try and solve the problems of why terrorists want to attack us rather than spending millions upon millions of dollars on securing us from ourselves, sure a lot of these security measures are not a huge hassle, but they aren't all necessary either, they can't secure everything, so why not create an environment where they don't need to [/QB]
There is plenty that I don't trust, and I agree that we should attempt to solve the root of the problem (if there is just one) as best we can. However, we are not securing ourselves from ourselves, and even if we started working on the "root causes" tomorrow, we would still need to be protected while the causes were fixed. In the case of Islamic extremism, there is virtually nothing we could do to satisfy their aims.
 
 Having spent the past two years speaking on a daily basis with those affected in 9/11 and seeing their pain and trauma, I just don't feel that my convenience should take precedence over others' safety.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: keithstg on June 08, 2004, 01:56:00 pm
Double post. All apologies.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 01:59:00 pm
Why did John Hinckley want to kill Reagan? Why did Son of Sam kill a bunch of people? Why did McVeigh blow up the federal building? Why do serial rapists exist? Why does al-Qaeida exist?
 
 Because there are certain people who are such fucking nut jobs that they will do any amount of bad things to wreak their havoc on the world.
 
 
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Terrorists want to attack us because they are fucking terrorists. They are completely out of their mind goons.
 
 There's your answer as to why terrorists want to attack us.
 
I hope you are kidding [/b]
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 02:03:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Because there are certain people who are such fucking nut jobs that they will do any amount of bad things to wreak their havoc on the world.
 
Yeah and I hope he is not president for much longer
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 02:06:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  There is plenty that I don't trust, and I agree that we should attempt to solve the root of the problem (if there is just one) as best we can. However, we are not securing ourselves from ourselves, and even if we started working on the "root causes" tomorrow, we would still need to be protected while the causes were fixed. In the case of Islamic extremism, there is virtually nothing we could do to satisfy their aims.
 
 Having spent the past two years speaking on a daily basis with those affected in 9/11 and seeing their pain and trauma, I just don't feel that my convenience should take precedence over others' safety.
I would have no problem with the loss of convenience if I actually felt like most of the security was effective, but I think much of it just creates the illusion of security.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: markie on June 08, 2004, 02:14:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why did John Hinckley want to kill Reagan? Why did Son of Sam kill a bunch of people? Why did McVeigh blow up the federal building? Why do serial rapists exist? Why does al-Qaeida exist?
 
 
Ever think of drawing a distinction between a terrorist and a serial killer?
 
 ter·ror·ism     P   Pronunciation Key  (tr-rzm)
 n.
 The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: keithstg on June 08, 2004, 02:16:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
 I would have no problem with the loss of convenience if I actually felt like most of the security was effective, but I think much of it just creates the illusion of security. [/QB]
What would convince you that the security was effective? The problem with complaining about the illusion of security is that it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Unless someone is stopped in the act, then the "illusion" is not working. What about security measures that force would-be terrorists to alter their tactics, postponing strikes, which can lead to better intelligence and potentially captures in the interm? Is that not effective? Or, what about responding to new threats with new security measures (the MARC train thing or removing shoes at airports)?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 08, 2004, 02:17:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
   
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  Bottom line:
 If someone really wants to do something, they will find a way, no matter how many dogs/searches/uzi's seem to be trying to hold them back.
Oh, ok. Then let's not attempt to deter anything, and just bow to their superior will - it's more convenient that way. It's too bad you place more faith in terrorism being inevitable than you do our security measures. [/b]
Hannah Arendt said the goal of the totalitarian state is to separate the people from reality.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 02:18:00 pm
Do you really think that the terrorists think that they are going to persuade or coerce those they are opposed to to their way of thinking? Of course not.
 
 Their goal is not to persuade anybody. Their goal is to cause as much fucking mayhem as they can, and gain brownie points in heaven for doing so.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: thirsty moore on June 08, 2004, 02:24:00 pm
I believe you meant "booty" points.
 
 
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 ...and gain brownie points in heaven for doing so.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: chaz on June 08, 2004, 02:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Terrorists want to attack us because they are fucking terrorists. They are completely out of their mind goons.
 
 There's your answer as to why terrorists want to attack us.
 
I hope you are kidding [/b]
Israel.  That's why terrorists attack us.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 02:30:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 What would convince you that the security was effective? The problem with complaining about the illusion of security is that it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Unless someone is stopped in the act, then the "illusion" is not working. What about security measures that force would-be terrorists to alter their tactics, postponing strikes, which can lead to better intelligence and potentially captures in the interm? Is that not effective? Or, what about responding to new threats with new security measures (the MARC train thing or removing shoes at airports)?
so for the next 100 years or for however long, we are going to play a game of terrorists thinking of a new way to terrorize people, and we will respond by stopping every 4th or 5th person, or more accurately every 4th or 5th person and every foreign looking person in an airport to search them for that security problem
 
 the problem is that this government has done little else to stop the problem other than reacting to new methods or attempting to physically eliminate the people they know want to attack American interests, and they are using the fear they create to justify doing anything they want, including the invasion of Iraq -- best of all, people are buying it
 
 meanwhile we are spending tons of money and creating an environment in the world where there is more interest in harming American interests
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: kosmo vinyl on June 08, 2004, 02:31:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Because there are certain people who are such fucking nut jobs that they will do any amount of bad things to wreak their havoc on the world.
 
Yeah and I hope he is not president for much longer [/b]
this just nudges rhett's half-arsed remark  out as the post of the week. congrats  :D
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 08, 2004, 02:32:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 What would convince you that the security was effective? The problem with complaining about the illusion of security is that it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Unless someone is stopped in the act, then the "illusion" is not working. What about security measures that force would-be terrorists to alter their tactics, postponing strikes, which can lead to better intelligence and potentially captures in the interm? Is that not effective? Or, what about responding to new threats with new security measures (the MARC train thing or removing shoes at airports)?
so for the next 100 years or for however long, we are going to play a game of terrorists thinking of a new way to terrorize people, and we will respond by stopping every 4th or 5th person, or more accurately every 4th or 5th person and every foreign looking person in an airport to search them for that security problem
 
 the problem is that this government has done little else to stop the problem other than reacting to new methods or attempting to physically eliminate the people they know want to attack American interests, and they are using the fear they create to justify doing anything they want, including the invasion of Iraq -- best of all, people are buying it
 
 meanwhile we are spending tons of money and creating an environment in the world where there is more interest in harming American interests [/b]
What pollard said.  Ditto.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: markie on June 08, 2004, 02:37:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Do you really think that the terrorists think that they are going to persuade or coerce those they are opposed to to their way of thinking?
 
I think that they believe that they will persuade their chosen foe to rethink its actions. This is/was especially true of terrorist organisations like the ETA or the IRA.
 
 What do you think Al Queada's motives are?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Bags on June 08, 2004, 02:37:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I even have to go through an x=ray detector to get into work now...which means I can't bring the vodka into work anymore.
 
dude, just put it in a water bottle!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 02:45:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  I really doubt that they'll have guns pointed at you and dogs sniffin' your stuff unless you've got something on you that you shouldnt have. Get a clue huh?
they have dogs at a lot of sporting events now, and they sniff you if they want to.  Apparently you think we still have all of our freedoms dont you [/b]
Must be that five foot goatee you have that makes you look suspicious   ;)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: jpbelmondo on June 08, 2004, 02:50:00 pm
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 Do you really think that the terrorists think that they are going to persuade or coerce those they are opposed to to their way of thinking? Of course not.
 
 Their goal is not to persuade anybody. Their goal is to cause as much fucking mayhem as they can, and gain brownie points in heaven for doing so.
Uh, hate to disturb your fantasy, but you should read some history: most terrorists have concrete political goals in mind, no matter how wacky they may seem to you.  Some of their actions are completely ineffective at coercion (e.g. Tim McVeigh).  Beginning with Ireland and continuing throughout the 20th C., however, terrorism has, in general, been extremely effective at persuading colonial powers (or at least nominally democratic ones) that it is not worth the price to stay in the country occupied.  The exception to this rule is where the occupiers feel like the land is, or should be, part of their country (e.g. Palestine, Chechnya), and are willing to accept high casualties in order to remain.
 
 With regard to Al Qaeda, one of their stated goals is to get all Western powers out of the Middle East, and in particular, to get US bases out of Saudi Arabia; the fact that the US is, in fact, removing its bases from Saudi Arabia can be attributed in part to Al Qaeda's influence.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 02:51:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 
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No, listen to what YOU are saying. Nothing may happen, so let's be hopelessly unprepared if something should. Sounds like a great idea to me. Hell, I fly every week. Eliminating safety screening would save me time. Ooh, and I wouldn't have to go through a metal detector, or take off my shoes - that's just soo difficult... [/b]
Well said, things are so much simpler in Canada, let's all pack up our bags and move there so we can die of boredom, but at least we won't have dogs sniffing our stuff, walruses maybe, but never dogs.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 08, 2004, 02:52:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  Well said, things are so much simpler in Canada, let's all pack up our bags and move there so we can die of boredom, but at least we won't have dogs sniffing our stuff, walruses maybe, but never dogs.
Sign me up!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 02:54:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Because there are certain people who are such fucking nut jobs that they will do any amount of bad things to wreak their havoc on the world.
 
Yeah and I hope he is not president for much longer [/b]
It doesnt matter, you'll just complain about the next one, and the next one, and the next one.....
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 02:56:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  It doesnt matter, you'll just complain about the next one, and the next one, and the next one.....
you know me so well Guiny, thank god that is not true
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 02:58:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  It doesnt matter, you'll just complain about the next one, and the next one, and the next one.....
you know me so well Guiny, thank god that is not true [/b]
Don't under estimate yourself, it could happen.   ;)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 08, 2004, 03:06:00 pm
http://dickcream.com/ (http://dickcream.com/)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 04:43:00 pm
Massachusetts Transit Authority Plans Random Bag Inspections
 June 8 (Bloomberg) -- The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority, which serves the Boston area, will begin randomly stopping passengers and inspecting their bags to help thwart terrorist attacks in the first such initiative by a major U.S. transit system, said Joseph Carter, authority police chief.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/286qy (http://tinyurl.com/286qy)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 04:49:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
  Massachusetts Transit Authority Plans Random Bag Inspections
 June 8 (Bloomberg) -- The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority, which serves the Boston area, will begin randomly stopping passengers and inspecting their bags to help thwart terrorist attacks in the first such initiative by a major U.S. transit system, said Joseph Carter, authority police chief.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/286qy (http://tinyurl.com/286qy)
Hmmmm.....maybe cause Al Quada just warned muslims about riding transportations systems that westerners use........How dare us search bags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 08, 2004, 05:04:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  maybe cause Al Quada just warned muslims about riding transportations systems that westerners use........How dare us search bags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Al Quada just warned muslims about riding transportations systems that westerners use in SAUDI ARABIA
 
 what would it take the government doing before you get upset? do you feel fine with them coming in to your home whenever they feel like it?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 08, 2004, 05:07:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  How dare us search bags!
Bags...are you listening?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on June 08, 2004, 05:08:00 pm
I blame terrorism on the god damn smokers.
 
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23384-2004Jun7.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23384-2004Jun7.html)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: sonickteam2 on June 08, 2004, 05:13:00 pm
you guys are all funny.
 
   keith and rhett are spouting such BS that no wonder terrorists want to attack us.  hell, after reading this thread I am thinking of launching some terrorist cell!
   attacking us cause they are jealous?  i hardly think so.  hahahahahahaha
 
    and Rhetts little 101 terrorist attacks from 1983 to 1991 or whatever. if you read the article SIXTY were in Puerto Rico and what were the other 40?  can you name one incident?  w/o scouring the net?  and are you SURE there have been NONE since 9/11?  an attack is not an incident.
 
  and Guiny.  save the goatee remark, you are making fun of Canada and you are from Maine, thats like Canada with a bad govt!!!
 
   Even people from Nova Scotia make fun of people from Maine.
 
   jackass.
 
   i wish i could respond to all these posts but there are so many
 
   pollards are damn funny though, good going guy!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: sonickteam2 on June 08, 2004, 05:15:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I blame terrorism on the god damn smokers.
 
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23384-2004Jun7.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23384-2004Jun7.html)
how many times are you going to post a link that we cant read?
 
   you are the biggest goddamn yahoo hillbilly i have ever heard.  And i've spent a week in Newfoundland!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 05:24:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  maybe cause Al Quada just warned muslims about riding transportations systems that westerners use........How dare us search bags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Al Quada just warned muslims about riding transportations systems that westerners use in SAUDI ARABIA
 
 what would it take the government doing before you get upset? do you feel fine with them coming in to your home whenever they feel like it? [/b]
I've got nothing to hide, well except video's of me and my girl, but hell we'd just pop some popcorn, drink some beer and watch it all together. Nothing would anger me as long as they are trying to help us stay safe. Sorry, I didnt remember the article just saying Saudi Arabia, I thought it meant anywhere.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 08, 2004, 05:27:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  and Guiny.  save the goatee remark, you are making fun of Canada and you are from Maine, thats like Canada with a bad govt!!!
Why do you think I left Maine? Not just cause there were too many Red Flops....I man Sox fans up there. I only like Maine three days at a time at the most, then I gotta get out of theya, ayup.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Bags on June 08, 2004, 07:18:00 pm
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
   
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  How dare us search bags!
Bags...are you listening? [/b]
I am...depends on who does the searching.    <img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/swoon.gif" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 08, 2004, 10:35:00 pm
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Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
 I am...depends on who does the searching.      <img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/swoon.gif" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/bigblush.gif" alt=" - " />
 I'll lend a hand.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: keithstg on June 09, 2004, 08:26:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  you guys are all funny.
 
   keith and rhett are spouting such BS that no wonder terrorists want to attack us.  hell, after reading this thread I am thinking of launching some terrorist cell!
   attacking us cause they are jealous?  i hardly think so.  hahahahahahaha
 
If you think that security lines and screening are BS, more power to you. I don't think I've said anything that would make a terrorist want to attack, but hey, if I did just point it out.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: thirsty moore on June 09, 2004, 09:06:00 am
Newfie! Newfie! Newfie!
 
 
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 you are the biggest goddamn yahoo hillbilly i have ever heard.  And i've spent a week in Newfoundland!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Guiny on June 09, 2004, 10:54:00 am
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
   
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Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
 I am...depends on who does the searching.       :cool:
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: ratioci nation on June 10, 2004, 11:10:00 am
http://bush-zombiereagan.com/faq/ (http://bush-zombiereagan.com/faq/)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: webjedi on June 10, 2004, 11:42:00 am
What I can't believe is that they are searching you for guns and other weapons there... what the hell are YOU going to do... SHOOT HIM AGAIN? He's dead already?! WTF?!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: jkeisenh on June 10, 2004, 12:02:00 pm
Latest office rumor:
 Reagan has been dead and buried for years.  The actual content of the casket in the rotunda today are papers regarding Cheney and Halliburton's role in the development of the energy policy... to be buried forever.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: mankie on June 10, 2004, 12:37:00 pm
More tributes to Ronnie.
 
 Pentagon to be renamed after him, "SPENTAGON"
 
 Rename the deficit, the "REAGAN".
 
 Re-issue the halfpenny and put his face on it.
 
 Rename Afghanistan, "REAGANISTAN"
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: keithstg on June 10, 2004, 12:54:00 pm
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
  Latest office rumor:
 Reagan has been dead and buried for years.  The actual content of the casket in the rotunda today are papers regarding Cheney and Halliburton's role in the development of the energy policy... to be buried forever.
Ah, working for the Drudge Report, are we?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 10, 2004, 02:48:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
  http://bush-zombiereagan.com/faq/ (http://bush-zombiereagan.com/faq/)
Undead... and Pro-Life!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 11, 2004, 11:49:00 am
Once Reagan left office, punk music went downhill.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: filthypit on June 11, 2004, 01:48:00 pm
what a great campaign opportunity for bush...
 
   <img src="http://publish.hometown.aol.com/meg0hulk/images/nazibush.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 reagan's funeral is now officially the finest republican dog and pony show out there
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: on June 12, 2004, 10:15:00 am
Did anyone see the grand finale?  Nancy looked for a moment like she was going to pull a Courtney Love move and jump on the casket as it was being lowered.   As it was she had to be be pried away from the coffin with a crowbar.
 ---------------
 
 Here's a quote I just ripped off of the net:
  "Reagan was like Hitler in that both turned to politics after being frustrated in the arts."
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: mankie on June 12, 2004, 10:52:00 am
Does anyone know what the deal with Clinton was?
 
 I know some said he was nodding off, and who wouldn't with all that arse-kissing they were all droning on about (apart from the, "how was it with Tu Tu? So So" that cracked me up) but he looked white as a sheet and got up and walked out before it was over didn't he?
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: eltee on June 12, 2004, 10:54:00 am
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
  Did anyone see the grand finale?  ---------------
 
 Here's a quote I just ripped off of the net:
  "Reagan was like Hitler in that both turned to politics after being frustrated in the arts."
...I turned the channel after the voice over commentators (who sounded like they were covering the Olympics) were speculating what his last words were. Gimme a break, a little personal, if he was able to form any words.
 And that quote? Seriously what they write these days...LOL
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: mankie on June 12, 2004, 11:18:00 am
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
   
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
  Did anyone see the grand finale?  ---------------
 
 Here's a quote I just ripped off of the net:
  "Reagan was like Hitler in that both turned to politics after being frustrated in the arts."
...I turned the channel after the voice over commentators (who sounded like they were covering the Olympics) were speculating what his last words were. Gimme a break, a little personal, if he was able to form any words.
 And that quote? Seriously what they write these days...LOL [/b]
A more accurate quote would be,
 
  "George W. Bush was like Hitler in that he wanted to rid the world of a whole ethnic group"
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Jaguär on June 12, 2004, 01:01:00 pm
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
   A more accurate quote would be,
 
  "George W. Bush was like Hitler in that he wanted to rid the world of a whole ethnic group"
Yeah, non-Blue Bloods!
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Jaguär on June 12, 2004, 01:10:00 pm
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
     
Quote
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
  Did anyone see the grand finale?  ---------------
 
 Here's a quote I just ripped off of the net:
  "Reagan was like Hitler in that both turned to politics after being frustrated in the arts."
...I turned the channel after the voice over commentators (who sounded like they were covering the Olympics) were speculating what his last words were. Gimme a break, a little personal, if he was able to form any words.
 And that quote? Seriously what they write these days...LOL [/b]
And I bet the idiots were speculating something rather articulate and profound rather than something that someone completely demented with Alzheimer's Disease would actually say. That is, if they could actually form words, which is highly unlikely at the very last stage and on the brink of death, assuming that it was the Alzheimer's that did them in. Maybe a few grunts, if that.
 
 If he could speak, it was probably something totally off the wall or nonsensical or maybe, "I've gotta go to the bathroom." A popular one for men is something about forgetting where they left their car. Women tend to talk about their mothers as if they are still alive. It's also very common for them to gradually revert back to early childhood. Kind of like the older they get, the younger they get.
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: mankie on June 12, 2004, 01:45:00 pm
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
 
Quote
Kind of like the older they get, the younger they get. [/b]
God, I hope you're right Jag!!
   ;)
Title: Re: Reagan Still Dead.
Post by: Jaguär on June 12, 2004, 01:56:00 pm
They give a whole new meaning to the term 'big ol' babies'. Diapers and all!
 
 Lately, at work, a lot of the women have been wanting men but none of the 'old goats' in there (the very few left that there are). Everyday I see my future in there. Thank God that I have a great sense of humor! My 2 favorites are 'Dancing D' and 'My Drinkin' Buddy'.     :D         :D
 
 The other day, some plain clothed nun was trying to perform an mini exorcism of sorts on My Drinkin' Buddy. I laughed like anything! The really odd part was that I was seriously wondering which one was the crazier of the two. It was totally bizarre!