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Title: Ravens
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on January 04, 2015, 07:01:40 pm
Go Ravens!   
Carry on....
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 05, 2015, 04:53:37 pm
This is what passes for sportswriting in Boston:

 In Ravens and Patriots, the NFL Playoffs Just Got an Extra Ingredient: Hate  (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2015/01/ravens_are_the_tougher_draw_for_the_patriots_but_n.html)
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Seth Hurwitz on January 05, 2015, 08:13:24 pm
This is what passes for sportswriting in Boston:

 In Ravens and Patriots, the NFL Playoffs Just Got an Extra Ingredient: Hate  (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2015/01/ravens_are_the_tougher_draw_for_the_patriots_but_n.html)

that dude has it way backwards as far as who the country hates
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 05, 2015, 09:44:46 pm
+7.5 sounds like easy money to me.  January Joe is large and in charge.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 06, 2015, 09:35:35 am
I gave up on the NFL in general last season for a myriad of reasons. I haven't gotten my Ravens gear (which is plentiful, but not as much as my Orioles gear) out since 2012.

However, my disdain for Tom Brady still stands. I hope Joe Flacco destroys him this weekend.

And, of course, my friends we're visiting this weekend are Patriots fans so I'll be forced to watch the game.

ugh.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 06, 2015, 09:36:48 am
That article has it backwards. Everyone hates Tom Brady.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2015, 11:00:00 am
Tom Brady? Hated.

The organization behind Ray Rice and Ray Lewis? Scrappy underdogs.

Keep doing those mental gymnastics, folks.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ggw on January 06, 2015, 11:03:44 am
I hate neither Tom Brady nor the Ravens.  Flacco seems like a nice kid. 

I can't stand Ray Lewis.  Great player ≠ good commentator.

Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2015, 11:10:34 am
I hate neither Tom Brady nor the Ravens.  Flacco seems like a nice kid. 

I can't stand Ray Lewis.  Great player ≠ good commentator.



I do not hate Tom Brady, I do however hate the Ravens organization. Murderers, abusers, Bert look-alikes.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 06, 2015, 11:14:41 am
I hate neither Tom Brady nor the Ravens.  Flacco seems like a nice kid. 

I can't stand Ray Lewis.  Great player ≠ good commentator.



I do not hate Tom Brady, I do however hate the Ravens organization. Murderers, abusers, Bert look-alikes.

I think the murderer played for the Patriots.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2015, 11:15:26 am
I hate neither Tom Brady nor the Ravens.  Flacco seems like a nice kid. 

I can't stand Ray Lewis.  Great player ≠ good commentator.



I do not hate Tom Brady, I do however hate the Ravens organization. Murderers, abusers, Bert look-alikes.

I think the murderer played for the Patriots.
Well, the Patriots at least immediately fired their murderer as opposed to, you know, retiring his number and paying his salary for another 10 years.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2015, 11:16:02 am
I hate neither Tom Brady nor the Ravens.  Flacco seems like a nice kid. 

I can't stand Ray Lewis.  Great player ≠ good commentator.



I do not hate Tom Brady, I do however hate the Ravens organization. Murderers, abusers, Bert look-alikes.

I think the murderer played for the Patriots.

That is true, but he's in jail where he belongs.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 06, 2015, 11:30:55 am
If you're gonna pick a favorite NFL team based on lack of criminal records of the players then you're in the wrong league.  How many Ray Rice-type incidents do you think have occurred league-wide?  Only one was captured on video. 
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Got Haggis? on January 06, 2015, 11:38:49 am
I can understand hating Ray Rice and Terrell Suggs for being women beaters.  But Ray Lewis didn't murder anyone. 

I pretty much hate the NFL as an organization.....but I still watch a ravens game here and there (and feel guilty about it)


I also think the Ravens dont stand a chance to beat the Patriots
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2015, 11:39:10 am
If you're gonna pick a favorite NFL team based on lack of criminal records of the players then you're in the wrong league.  How many Ray Rice-type incidents do you think have occurred league-wide?  Only one was captured on video. 

I'm this close **holds index finger very close to thumb** to abandoning the NFL due to the savages that are employed by the league.  The only reason I have an interest at this point as it's not hard to keep up with what's going on. One game a week, short season, etc. If it was like any other major sport, it would've left my interests long ago.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2015, 11:43:50 am
If you're gonna pick a favorite NFL team based on lack of criminal records of the players then you're in the wrong league.  How many Ray Rice-type incidents do you think have occurred league-wide?  Only one was captured on video. 
I think its the height of ridiculousness to "hate" Tom Brady for - what? - being a fine, upstanding successful citizen, and then turning around and cheering for one of the most murder and wife-beating condoning organizations in the history of sport.

I'm not saying "go out and pick your team affiliation by criminal record." I'm not saying that at all. I get cheering for your hometown team even when they sign an asshole. Hey, I do that. What I am saying is don't be the team of Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, and Terrell Suggs and then tell me all about how big bad Tom Brady is the hate-able person in the equation.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2015, 11:46:18 am
Quote from: Julian, Community ORGANIZER link=topic=23955.msg399643#msg399643   
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  Hey, I do that. 

How about them Richmond Raiders?
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2015, 11:50:07 am
How about them Richmond Raiders?
home·town noun, often attributive \-ˈtau̇n\
: the city or town where you were born or grew up
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 06, 2015, 11:50:38 am
Hey, I hate Peyton Manning too.  And he's even nicer than Brady.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Got Haggis? on January 06, 2015, 11:50:58 am
(http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/69169825ce4c0bab7ea6c42824a95d79_large)

nothing beats this
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ggw on January 06, 2015, 11:51:10 am
Obligatory pic of Brady's wife:

(http://static.ibnlive.in.com/pix/slideshow/06-2011/gisele-bundchen-the/01-gisele-bundchen-040611.jpg)
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2015, 11:52:20 am
How about them Richmond Raiders?
home·town noun, often attributive \-ˈtau̇n\
: the city or town where you were born or grew up

Actually, now that I think about it. I kind of hate the Dallas Cowboys for no good reason and I'm still pretty pissed about that Detroit loss. All we need is a Ravens vs. Cowboys superbowl.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 06, 2015, 11:53:29 am
nothing beats this

Well of course he's a Yankee fan.  If he didn't play for the Pats he'd probably be a Cowboy fan as well.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 06, 2015, 11:54:48 am
How about them Richmond Raiders?
home·town noun, often attributive \-ˈtau̇n\
: the city or town where you were born or grew up

Right.  That's why I was a Baltimore Colts fan.  The only reason I'm a Ravens fan is Bob Irsay.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 06, 2015, 01:31:37 pm
If you're gonna pick a favorite NFL team based on lack of criminal records of the players then you're in the wrong league.  How many Ray Rice-type incidents do you think have occurred league-wide?  Only one was captured on video. 

I'm this close **holds index finger very close to thumb** to abandoning the NFL due to the savages that are employed by the league.  The only reason I have an interest at this point as it's not hard to keep up with what's going on. One game a week, short season, etc. If it was like any other major sport, it would've left my interests long ago.

I abandoned it for the following reasons:

1. Absolutely NO SECURITY for the Superbowl celebration at the stadium. I was in the front row, and the aisles completely filled. I was one punch away from getting trampled to death. It was really scary.

2. The NFL does not pay taxes. Read "how the NFL fleeces taxpayers" in the Atlantic.

3. The concussion, health insurance for older players, the domestic violence (yes, I know the MLB has some work to do there too).

4. The whole referee stuff from 2 years ago. JUST PAY THEM. YOU HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

5. Blocking home towns from watching their teams if they don't sell enough tickets to the games.

So yeah...then the Ray Rice thing just sealed the deal for me. Been over it for a while. Don't miss watching it AT ALL.

Still hate Tom Brady though :)
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 06, 2015, 01:32:03 pm
I also grew up without football after the Colts left, so there's that too...
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2015, 01:46:06 pm
2. The NFL does not pay taxes. Read "how the NFL fleeces taxpayers" in the Atlantic.
This is such a non-starter. You know who else doesn't pay taxes? Your local Chamber of Commerce, the United Auto Workers, and the Better Business Bureau. You know who does pay taxes? The Baltimore Ravens and every other NFL team.

I find the NFL completely ridiculous to the point where I literally have only even seen 1 of the last 4 Super Bowls and consider it to be one half-step above the terribleness of soccer, but come on, the "no taxes" thing is both intentionally misleading/inflammatory and perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2015, 02:42:51 pm
I agree with all of K8's points above except the concussion stuff. What are you expecting playing a sport where you get clobbered by a 300lb giant on a daily basis? I have no remorse for those guys.

Is my employer going to cover my terrible eyesight and shitty back for sitting on my ass for 30 years? I think not.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 06, 2015, 03:09:30 pm
Have you watched the Frontline about the "concussion stuff"?

Watch that and then say you're not with me.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 06, 2015, 03:10:22 pm
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-fleeces-taxpayers/309448/
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ggw on January 06, 2015, 03:14:22 pm
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-fleeces-taxpayers/309448/

How does this differ from the MLB anti-trust exemptions (and taxpayer funded ballparks)?
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ggw on January 06, 2015, 03:16:12 pm
Is my employer going to cover my terrible eyesight and shitty back for sitting on my ass for 30 years? I think not.

Desk job?

I always figured you worked at a retail store selling hydroponic growing equipment or operated a food truck selling free-range organic falafel.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2015, 03:16:26 pm
Have you watched the Frontline about the "concussion stuff"?

Watch that and then say you're not with me.

I haven't seen it, but once again, when you're being paid to be crushed by a human being and end up with long term injuries and repercussions, I have no remorse.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 06, 2015, 03:17:21 pm
Is my employer going to cover my terrible eyesight and shitty back for sitting on my ass for 30 years? I think not.

Desk job?

I always figured you worked at a retail store selling hydroponic growing equipment or operated a food truck selling free-range organic falafel.

My six foot dreads made you think that, huh?
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2015, 03:35:35 pm
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-fleeces-taxpayers/309448/

How does this differ from the MLB anti-trust exemptions (and taxpayer funded ballparks)?
You know who else has this same non-profit status? The NHL. And the PGA/LPGA. And pro tennis. The sports leagues all have this (but the NBA), but it doesn't stop this chestnut from getting dusted off regularly about how "the NFL's 9 billion dollars isn't taxed," when really it is, except for the $10/mil or so the league office spends on NFL60/generic football promotion stuff.

MLB had the same exemption up until a few years ago when they voluntarily gave it up because writing that money off WAS BETTER FOR THEM.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ggw on January 06, 2015, 03:41:23 pm
Is my employer going to cover my terrible eyesight and shitty back for sitting on my ass for 30 years? I think not.

Desk job?

I always figured you worked at a retail store selling hydroponic growing equipment or operated a food truck selling free-range organic falafel.

My six foot dreads made you think that, huh?

Totally.  I'm a big fan of judging books by covers.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 06, 2015, 03:53:04 pm
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-fleeces-taxpayers/309448/

How does this differ from the MLB anti-trust exemptions (and taxpayer funded ballparks)?
You know who else has this same non-profit status? The NHL. And the PGA/LPGA. And pro tennis. The sports leagues all have this (but the NBA), but it doesn't stop this chestnut from getting dusted off regularly about how "the NFL's 9 billion dollars isn't taxed," when really it is, except for the $10/mil or so the league office spends on NFL60/generic football promotion stuff.

MLB had the same exemption up until a few years ago when they voluntarily gave it up because writing that money off WAS BETTER FOR THEM.

Yes, those other organizations have the same exempt status. My guess is the NFL makes more than all of them combined.

And it's fine if the MLB gave it up because it was better for them. But, they still pay taxes.

I understand ballparks are a different story. And MLB has it's problems too. I'm not saying they don't. But, for me, and it was just my personal choice, I just couldn't watch NFL any longer. I lost my enthusiasm. I understand it's still the biggest sport in America. I don't think they miss me. But, I feel better not watching it. That's just me.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 06, 2015, 04:02:48 pm
Yes, those other organizations have the same exempt status. My guess is the NFL makes more than all of them combined.
The thing you're not getting is "the NFL" doesn't make a lot of money. The 32 pro football teams that are represented by "the NFL" -- all of whom pay taxes individually -- make a lot of money.

When you're talking about "the NFL" that does not pay taxes, you're not talking about the teams; it is the league office, basically. Any money that comes into the league office is used to promote the industry of football -- basically the business of its 32 tax-paying member teams. The $9billion TV contract people hear about: "the NFL" doesn't get that, the 32 teams do and pay taxes on it.

This is exactly the same as a Chamber of Commerce taking in some money and using it to put out a cool brochure about local businesses. All the money coming into the CoC is used to promote a local industry, the members of which will then pay taxes on their increased business. It makes no sense to tax the CoC because it is not a for-profit entity. Similarly, "the NFL" head office is not - in and of itself - a for-profit entity. It exists to hope to maximize profits for its industry (the 32 teams) all of whom pay taxes.

And the amount of money "the NFL" has that it doesn't pay taxes on is by one recent estimate, less than $10million. Which is dwarfed by thousands of other non-profits.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ye-ole-hatch ıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl on January 06, 2015, 08:49:48 pm
My six foot dreads made you think that, huh?
can we say hyperbole
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: sweetcell on January 06, 2015, 10:05:25 pm
Obligatory pic of Brady's wife:

this is the true reason why people hate him.  he's talented, good looking, successful... and his wife is Gisele.

i'm a patriots fan, but when i read all that i start to hate him a little too.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 07, 2015, 08:17:20 am
Yes, those other organizations have the same exempt status. My guess is the NFL makes more than all of them combined.
The thing you're not getting is "the NFL" doesn't make a lot of money. The 32 pro football teams that are represented by "the NFL" -- all of whom pay taxes individually -- make a lot of money.

When you're talking about "the NFL" that does not pay taxes, you're not talking about the teams; it is the league office, basically. Any money that comes into the league office is used to promote the industry of football -- basically the business of its 32 tax-paying member teams. The $9billion TV contract people hear about: "the NFL" doesn't get that, the 32 teams do and pay taxes on it.

This is exactly the same as a Chamber of Commerce taking in some money and using it to put out a cool brochure about local businesses. All the money coming into the CoC is used to promote a local industry, the members of which will then pay taxes on their increased business. It makes no sense to tax the CoC because it is not a for-profit entity. Similarly, "the NFL" head office is not - in and of itself - a for-profit entity. It exists to hope to maximize profits for its industry (the 32 teams) all of whom pay taxes.

And the amount of money "the NFL" has that it doesn't pay taxes on is by one recent estimate, less than $10million. Which is dwarfed by thousands of other non-profits.

Seriously, under what rock do you live under that you thinkg "THE NFL" doesn't make any money?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2013/08/17/how-the-national-football-league-can-reach-25-billion-in-annual-revenues/
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 07, 2015, 09:47:10 am
Yes, those other organizations have the same exempt status. My guess is the NFL makes more than all of them combined.
The thing you're not getting is "the NFL" doesn't make a lot of money. The 32 pro football teams that are represented by "the NFL" -- all of whom pay taxes individually -- make a lot of money.

When you're talking about "the NFL" that does not pay taxes, you're not talking about the teams; it is the league office, basically. Any money that comes into the league office is used to promote the industry of football -- basically the business of its 32 tax-paying member teams. The $9billion TV contract people hear about: "the NFL" doesn't get that, the 32 teams do and pay taxes on it.

This is exactly the same as a Chamber of Commerce taking in some money and using it to put out a cool brochure about local businesses. All the money coming into the CoC is used to promote a local industry, the members of which will then pay taxes on their increased business. It makes no sense to tax the CoC because it is not a for-profit entity. Similarly, "the NFL" head office is not - in and of itself - a for-profit entity. It exists to hope to maximize profits for its industry (the 32 teams) all of whom pay taxes.

And the amount of money "the NFL" has that it doesn't pay taxes on is by one recent estimate, less than $10million. Which is dwarfed by thousands of other non-profits.

Seriously, under what rock do you live under that you thinkg "THE NFL" doesn't make any money?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2013/08/17/how-the-national-football-league-can-reach-25-billion-in-annual-revenues/
Come on, you're better at reading comprehension than this. "The NFL" -- again, the untaxed league office -- will not reach 25 billion in revenues. The 32 teams, when added together, may reach $25 billion in revenues. And those 32 teams all pay taxes at the same rate as anyone else. The ONLY thing tax exempt is the league office.

All that TV money and tickets sales and merchandise sales... that doesn't go to "the NFL," it is split up between the 32 tax paying corporations "the NFL" represents.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Cock Van Der Palm on January 07, 2015, 06:09:14 pm
Geez...all I said was "Go Ravens...carry on". 
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 07, 2015, 07:14:15 pm
Geez...all I said was "Go Ravens...carry on". 

troublemaker
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Rogue Riderhood on January 07, 2015, 07:27:02 pm
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/jjdynomite/1531e78f-82db-405b-8663-715dd2557673.jpg?t=1420586804)
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: hutch on January 08, 2015, 07:18:27 am
you gotta hand it to the Ravens... they seem to win the big ones..

as far as Tom Brady....people seem to loathe him......not sure why....he is in no way arrogant or anything....if you watch his post game interviews he seems like a fairly genuine nice guy...
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Seth Hurwitz on January 08, 2015, 01:08:52 pm
NE just never bothered me

but they bother a lot of people
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: vansmack on January 08, 2015, 03:07:52 pm
Is my employer going to cover my terrible eyesight and shitty back for sitting on my ass for 30 years? I think not.

Mine will, and I don't play for the NFL.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: vansmack on January 08, 2015, 03:09:34 pm
you gotta hand it to the Ravens... they seem to win the big ones..

Strangely, and I don't understand why, but both the Bengals and the Steelers played so hard to win the division that they both cost themselves the best chance to win a playoff game.  Still not sure what either franchise was thinking.  Kudo's to the Ravens and Colts for capitalizing on that.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: vansmack on January 08, 2015, 03:10:24 pm
this is the true reason why people hate him.  he's talented, good looking, successful... and his wife is Gisele.

i'm a patriots fan, but when i read all that i start to hate him a little too.

It's why I love him.  Still hate the Pat's though.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 08, 2015, 03:13:38 pm
Is my employer going to cover my terrible eyesight and shitty back for sitting on my ass for 30 years? I think not.

Mine will, and I don't play for the NFL.

Congrats on your great success.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: vansmack on January 08, 2015, 03:19:47 pm
Congrats on your great success.

I just want people to hate me like they hate Tom Brady.  Then I'll know I've truly made it.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ggw on January 08, 2015, 03:24:54 pm
this is the true reason why people hate him.  he's talented, good looking, successful... and his wife is Gisele.

i'm a patriots fan, but when i read all that i start to hate him a little too.

It's why I love him.  Still hate the Pat's though.

I figured you'd be a Gronk fan as well:

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/-0NSJuqeZFYl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 08, 2015, 03:29:20 pm
I just want people to hate me like they hate Tom Brady.  Then I'll know I've made truly it.
Brian Kelly has apparently just taken the Atlanta Falcons job.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Yada on January 08, 2015, 03:34:46 pm
this is the true reason why people hate him.  he's talented, good looking, successful... and his wife is Gisele.

i'm a patriots fan, but when i read all that i start to hate him a little too.

It's why I love him.  Still hate the Pat's though.

I figured you'd be a Gronk fan as well:

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/-0NSJuqeZFYl.jpg)

Anyone see Gronk on the prestigious television show Top Chef a few weeks ago? Dude sends douche chills up and down my spine.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: vansmack on January 08, 2015, 03:35:39 pm
I figured you'd be a Gronk fan as well:

Not as, how shall I say it, refined?
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ggw on January 08, 2015, 03:47:55 pm
Anyone see Gronk on the prestigious television show Top Chef a few weeks ago? Dude sends douche chills up and down my spine.

Padma totally wanted him to put his kielbasa in her immersion circulator.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 09, 2015, 12:12:00 pm
Just as they did for the 2013 AFC Championship game between the Ravens and the Patriots, Heavy Seas Beer founder Sisson and Boston Beer Company/Samuel Adams founder Koch have placed a wager on Saturday's game, according to Heavy Seas spokeswoman Christine Shaffer.

If the Ravens win, as they did two years ago, Koch will send Sisson a case of Samuel Adams Rebel IPA. If the Patriots are victorious, Sisson will send Koch a case of Heavy Seas' new CrossBones IPA.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: sweetcell on January 09, 2015, 01:19:57 pm
well that's a shitty bet for Sisson.  i haven't tried CrossBones yet, but no way it's as boring and disappointing as Rebel.  totally uneven wager.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: sweetcell on January 09, 2015, 01:26:59 pm
Anyone see Gronk on the prestigious television show Top Chef a few weeks ago?

New England Patriots tight end, and patron saint of the bros, Rob Gronkowski, made a surprisingly competent appearance on the improv show ?Whose Line is it Anyways??

Luckily for the buff football player, he didn?t have to do too much thinking for his roles. In one segment, he just had to dance while comedians Wayne Brady and Jonathan Mangum sang about him to the tune of ?Don?t Stop Believing? by Journey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQbCAVopVaA
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: hutch on January 10, 2015, 09:30:07 pm
man what a game..

Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 10, 2015, 09:37:55 pm
Why throw to the endzone, Joe?  Why?
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: hutch on January 10, 2015, 09:53:04 pm
Why throw to the endzone, Joe?  Why?

yeah I was going to say I thought that cost the Ravens the game but didn't want to as I'm not a Ravens fan although I respect the heck out of them.. I thought that was a huge mistake..they were marching down the field with ease... the Ravens OL was completely controlling the the Pats DL giving him plenty of time...they should have just gone with short high percentage passes...maybe a run or two..I think they would have gotten the TD and the Pats would barely have had time to come back... even more to the point by going for it with so much time on the clock you were giving the Pats enough time to come back even if you scored..it seemed like a boneheaded call all around......

I don't know if Joe called it or it was a designed play or what..but I kind of feel the better team did not win....they just didn't make the critical error..... Belichick was only sending 4 Defensive Linesmen at Flacco therefore therefore he has so much time to make throws...

Belichick was daring Flacco to make that throw...because he had so many defensive backs out there but they were covering more for the big play....
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 10, 2015, 10:37:38 pm
What he said.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 10, 2015, 10:57:51 pm
Thank goodness White America.  The  thugs  (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/boston-area-residents-fear-baltimores-thug-factor-1678704935/+bubbaprog) lost.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on January 11, 2015, 09:16:34 am
Baltimored.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Got Haggis? on January 12, 2015, 10:30:22 am
Ravens were the better team, Belichick was the better coach.

also it will be interesting if there is a rule change next year about running to snap the ball as soon as declaring ineligible

brady should have been flagged for getting in the refs face
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2015, 01:31:34 pm
Ravens were the better team, Belichick was the better coach.


+1
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 12, 2015, 01:41:34 pm
Ravens were the better team, Belichick was the better coach.


+1

Hey - howcum nobody's talking about Belichick the Brilliant's premature kneeling at the end of the game, which gave the Ravens a chance to win with a Hail Mary pass?  Huh?  Huh?
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: hutch on January 12, 2015, 02:40:53 pm
Ravens were the better team, Belichick was the better coach.


+1

Hey - howcum nobody's talking about Belichick the Brilliant's premature kneeling at the end of the game, which gave the Ravens a chance to win with a Hail Mary pass?  Huh?  Huh?

everyone makes mistakes?
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: sweetcell on January 12, 2015, 04:23:43 pm
the details are now foggy, but i thought it had more to do with the fact that the ravens held on to their last time-out.  instead of burning it after 1st down, they waited until the pats burned their 3rd, forcing the kick.  i don't recall them kneeling too soon.  they have a team of people calculating that stuff.  pretty sure that if they could have killed the clock, they would have.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: K8teebug on January 12, 2015, 04:25:05 pm
That turnover made the game.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 12, 2015, 05:22:49 pm
the details are now foggy, but i thought it had more to do with the fact that the ravens held on to their last time-out.  instead of burning it after 1st down, they waited until the pats burned their 3rd, forcing the kick.  i don't recall them kneeling too soon.  they have a team of people calculating that stuff.  pretty sure that if they could have killed the clock, they would have.

The sequence of plays.. when they took over the ball there was a time out due to change of possession.
New England Patriots at 01:39
1-10-NE 20(1:39) 12-T.Brady kneels to NE 18 for -2 yards.
2-12-NE 18( .57) 12-T.Brady kneels to NE 16 for -2 yards.
3-14-NE 16( .15) 12-T.Brady kneels to NE 15 for -1 yards.

I guess they didn't want to risk a fumble, but running a legitimate play would kill more clock.  And they might have even picked up a first down.  But I suppose running plays weren't part of the gameplan at all.

Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on January 12, 2015, 06:03:44 pm
If your big argument against Belicheck's strategy is that on their own 16 they ran victory form facing 3rd and 14 instead of attempting to pick up the first down or run some hypothetical play that would take 15 seconds, then holy shit. It's is unarguably the play that gives you the smallest chance of losing.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: sweetcell on January 12, 2015, 06:37:22 pm
The sequence of plays.. when they took over the ball there was a time out due to change of possession.
New England Patriots at 01:39
1-10-NE 20(1:39) 12-T.Brady kneels to NE 18 for -2 yards.
2-12-NE 18( .57) 12-T.Brady kneels to NE 16 for -2 yards.
3-14-NE 16( .15) 12-T.Brady kneels to NE 15 for -1 yards.

I guess they didn't want to risk a fumble, but running a legitimate play would kill more clock.  And they might have even picked up a first down.  But I suppose running plays weren't part of the gameplan at all.



1st down: 43 seconds
2nd down: 42 second
3rd down: ravens called TO, stopping the clock.

so, if my math is right, the answer to your question:

Hey - howcum nobody's talking about Belichick the Brilliant's premature kneeling at the end of the game, which gave the Ravens a chance to win with a Hail Mary pass?  Huh?  Huh?

it's because there was no premature kneeling.  belichick's brilliance is untarnished.

But I suppose running plays weren't part of the gameplan at all.

they were originally part of the plan but that ridiculous ravens run defense took it out of the pat's playbook pretty quickly.  talk about a brick wall.  the patriots got 14 yards on the ground for the entire frikken game.
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: ggw on January 18, 2015, 05:07:57 pm
Great player ≠ good commentator.

Ray Lewis: We only know who Tom Brady is because of the tuck rule (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/14/ray-lewis-we-only-know-who-tom-brady-is-because-of-the-tuck-rule/)
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: shemptiness on January 18, 2015, 10:38:00 pm
Kubiak pulling an end-around.  Kyle Shanahan coming back east? 
Title: Re: Ravens
Post by: Julian, Forum COGNOSCENTI on April 28, 2015, 02:32:32 pm
Yes, those other organizations have the same exempt status. My guess is the NFL makes more than all of them combined.
The thing you're not getting is "the NFL" doesn't make a lot of money. The 32 pro football teams that are represented by "the NFL" -- all of whom pay taxes individually -- make a lot of money.

When you're talking about "the NFL" that does not pay taxes, you're not talking about the teams; it is the league office, basically. Any money that comes into the league office is used to promote the industry of football -- basically the business of its 32 tax-paying member teams. The $9billion TV contract people hear about: "the NFL" doesn't get that, the 32 teams do and pay taxes on it.

This is exactly the same as a Chamber of Commerce taking in some money and using it to put out a cool brochure about local businesses. All the money coming into the CoC is used to promote a local industry, the members of which will then pay taxes on their increased business. It makes no sense to tax the CoC because it is not a for-profit entity. Similarly, "the NFL" head office is not - in and of itself - a for-profit entity. It exists to hope to maximize profits for its industry (the 32 teams) all of whom pay taxes.

And the amount of money "the NFL" has that it doesn't pay taxes on is by one recent estimate, less than $10million. Which is dwarfed by thousands of other non-profits.

Seriously, under what rock do you live under that you thinkg "THE NFL" doesn't make any money?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2013/08/17/how-the-national-football-league-can-reach-25-billion-in-annual-revenues/
Come on, you're better at reading comprehension than this. "The NFL" -- again, the untaxed league office -- will not reach 25 billion in revenues. The 32 teams, when added together, may reach $25 billion in revenues. And those 32 teams all pay taxes at the same rate as anyone else. The ONLY thing tax exempt is the league office.

All that TV money and tickets sales and merchandise sales... that doesn't go to "the NFL," it is split up between the 32 tax paying corporations "the NFL" represents.
Katie's long, reading incomprehension-fueled, nightmare is over.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-28/nfl-will-end-its-tax-exempt-status-goodell-tells-team-owners