Worst Band Ever?

[kosmo vinyl]

seeing as the white stripes preform without a setlist there isn't going to the use of backing tapes...  plus seeing as jack white records on vintage four track equipment it's highly unlikely he's going to use backing tracks as he's into playing spontaneous off the cuff

[themaestro]

Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
 
 Or how about Chuck Berry?  Without Chuck Berry, I think the Beatles, The Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys would all have sounded much different.  But do you ever hear people saying "Chuck Berry, man!  Greatest rock n roller ever!  He's still got it!" like they do with Jagger and Co?  No, because the Stones are a.) baby-boomers b.) white and c.) playing to football stadiums instead of state fairs (like Mr. Berry does these days.)
 [/QB]

But here's the thing.  Look no further than Jagger/Richards for the people who would say that they owe everything to forefathers like Chuck Berry.  There was a great documentary on Berry called "Hail Hail Rock and Roll" which shows Keith Richards and others going to great lengths to prop this guy up as the legend he is/was/should be.
 
 The Beatles/Stones/Zeppelin always were quick to point out their influences.  What the hell do rock critics and bullshit top 100 lists matter anyway?

[Mobius]

 [/qb]

Would you even categorize White Stripes as a band? It's a bloke on a guitar, some bird clanging out on a set of drums and taped backing tracks.......no? One step up from Karaoka if you ask me.
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 If you don't feel the need to see them, track down the White Stripes Peel Sessions from 2001.  Its a band, and its certainly not karaoke.  Its just the parameters are narrowed.

[Sir HC]

Originally posted by kcjones119:
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 Anyone read this book?  I'm in the middle of it now.  The premise is an interesting one: younger rock critics re-examine "great albums" to support the idea that there is no rock music canon.  Some of the reviews are not that well executed (a lot of "oh yeah, they're not so great *kid wipes snot from nose, takes his ball and goes home*"  I think it's really just DeRogatis trying to get back at Jann Wenner for firing him (Wenner supposedly fired him for writing a negative review, possibly of the 2nd Hootie and the Blowfish album) by tearing apart pompous baby boomer centric lists like this one.  While I don't agree with all the arguments against certain albums in the book (or Brian's above for that matter), I like the idea that there isn't a textbook that you should learn rock music from.  Figure out what you like on your own by listening.  That's most of the fun.

Have it, read the whole thing, and yeah some sounded like someone trying to be contrarian, the I am cooler than you because I don't like xxx.  Still the one that disliked the album because of the bad date is classic.

[Sir HC]

Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
   

Originally posted by xneverwherex:
  i guess my point is - before you go off slagging all bands pre-80 (or whatever year he chooses), he might want to consider if it werent for these bands, a bunch of these other bands might possibly not exist.  

Originally posted by SirHC:
 All those you mention would not exist if it were not for the prior bands. They are standing on the shoulders of giants. Because something does not connect with you does not make it the worst. You have to give them credit (or at least those bands you mention give them credit) for the trails they blazed.

That damned quote and sentiment!:
 
 "Pigmaei gigantum humeris impositi plusquam ipsi gigantes vident."
 
 Well, I for one disagree with both Isaac Newton and Noel Gallagher.  If you want to spend all your time paying tributes and respects to those who've come before than go right ahead.  There are certain instances where gratitude is due.  
 
 Those who have fought in wars for the sake of country.  Splitting the atom.  Solid state circuitry.  The brassiere.  We should all be thankful for those who have developed those things.  Because of them, I am grateful.
 
 But I'm supposed to pay respects to John Lennon for "Ticket to Ride?"  For what?  The F#m chord?I can't enjoy Queens of the Stone Age without lighting a votive for John Bonham?  Everytime I listen to Radiohead I have to say a prayer for Syd Barrett's soul?  Please....
 
 I always think it's funny that we are forced to pay respects only up to the 60's generation of bands.  Never before that era.  It's a sin to not RESPECT THE ALMIGHTY ROCK OF ZEPPELIN!  But do you ever hear about having to pay respects to the rock of Muddy Waters or Willie Dixon?
 
 Or how about Chuck Berry?  Without Chuck Berry, I think the Beatles, The Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys would all have sounded much different.  But do you ever hear people saying "Chuck Berry, man!  Greatest rock n roller ever!  He's still got it!" like they do with Jagger and Co?  No, because the Stones are a.) baby-boomers b.) white and c.) playing to football stadiums instead of state fairs (like Mr. Berry does these days.)
 
 This whole "respect your elders" thing in rock n roll is a joke.  You're only supposed to respect the elders who have deals with American Express and Starbucks.
 
 Brian [/b]

The gratitude comes from if the Beatles and others were not successful, then rock could have died out as being just a fad and all these other bands would not exist.

[Brian_Wallace]

Originally posted by kcjones119:
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Thanks a lot for the recommendation. I HAVE to read this book. It sounds a lot like something I'd enjoy. Almost as good as Stephanie Coontz's "The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap?" Maybe.
 
 Any book with that many negative reviews on Amazon HAS to be good (average of two stars(!) It probably upsets everybody's core belief that "The Beatles are God." I swear telling someone the Beatles were awful is like telling Christians about evolution. They simply refuse to believe it and feel the person telling them is an idiot.
 
 And is that THE Dave Marsh saying: "Older rock critics NEVER liked The Best of the Doors, Dark Side of the Moon, Ram, and Sgt. Pepper's (or for that matter, most of 'em, Kick Out the Jams, which DeRogatis's hero Lester Bangs tried to kill on contact), so what's the point here? A slim pretense on which to hang a payday, but then, that's authorial style for ya. And by the way, if somebody can't hear what's great about Exile on Main Street and the Sex Pistols, they're the dope.--Dave Marsh?"
 
 My GOD, I hate Bruce Springsteen and Dave Marsh more than I hate Jann Werner and the Beatles (but only SLIGHTLY.) If it pisses this many people off it must be great reading.
 
 I am extremely glad though, in that I think FINALLY, the cultural hegemony of the Baby Boomers/Beatles lovers is finally being broken. Bands like the Strokes, The White Stripes, etc. all have professed their fellating love of all things Lennon, etc...
 
 HOWEVER, bands like Panic At the Disco! and Fall Out Boy (you know, bands that actually sell records in 2007 and are popular with truly young music fans) honestly couldn't care less who John Lennon or Bob Dylan were. This is one of the most fantastic things ever. Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak. I can't wait for all the new music that is produced by people who don't feel like they have to say "Revolver," "OK Computer," or "London Calling" is their favorite record EVER!
 
 Brian

[Mobius]

Brian - Would it be accurate to say you resent your parents?
 
 
 The universe tends to work out as it should and i'm pretty sure fall out boy and panic at the disco are passing fads.  But thanks for your input.  Anyway, just b/c their influences are pathetic (I hear strains of showtunes, meat loaf etc. in their crap music) doesn't mean they don't have influences.  But good luck with your issues.

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
   

Originally posted by kcjones119:
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Thanks a lot for the recommendation. I HAVE to read this book. It sounds a lot like something I'd enjoy. Almost as good as Stephanie Coontz's "The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap?" Maybe.
 
 Any book with that many negative reviews on Amazon HAS to be good (average of two stars(!) It probably upsets everybody's core belief that "The Beatles are God." I swear telling someone the Beatles were awful is like telling Christians about evolution. They simply refuse to believe it and feel the person telling them is an idiot.
 
 And is that THE Dave Marsh saying: "Older rock critics NEVER liked The Best of the Doors, Dark Side of the Moon, Ram, and Sgt. Pepper's (or for that matter, most of 'em, Kick Out the Jams, which DeRogatis's hero Lester Bangs tried to kill on contact), so what's the point here? A slim pretense on which to hang a payday, but then, that's authorial style for ya. And by the way, if somebody can't hear what's great about Exile on Main Street and the Sex Pistols, they're the dope.--Dave Marsh?"
 
 My GOD, I hate Bruce Springsteen and Dave Marsh more than I hate Jann Werner and the Beatles (but only SLIGHTLY.) If it pisses this many people off it must be great reading.
 
 I am extremely glad though, in that I think FINALLY, the cultural hegemony of the Baby Boomers/Beatles lovers is finally being broken. Bands like the Strokes, The White Stripes, etc. all have professed their fellating love of all things Lennon, etc...
 
 HOWEVER, bands like Panic At the Disco! and Fall Out Boy (you know, bands that actually sell records in 2007 and are popular with truly young music fans) honestly couldn't care less who John Lennon or Bob Dylan were. This is one of the most fantastic things ever. Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak. I can't wait for all the new music that is produced by people who don't feel like they have to say "Revolver," "OK Computer," or "London Calling" is their favorite record EVER!
 
 Brian [/b]

I think you're wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
 Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak.

are you insane?  "modern rock" or the shit that sells records right now is some of the most derivative crap i've ever heard in my life, what world are you living in?

[Brian_Wallace]

Originally posted by Mobius:
  Brian - Would it be accurate to say you resent your parents?
 

No.  Actually, I don't.  I think I got a great "music education" with regards to what my parents listened to.  Tons of Motown, gospel, 50's rock (Eddie Cochran, Fats Domino, etc.), bluegrass, jazz, Hank Williams, Patsy Cline, etc.  But I'd NEVER say they were my favorites or that I identified with any of them.
 
 No.  The people I resented were my peers who insisted on loving and identifying and claiming superiority on music that wasn't of their generation.  Boorish treatises on "Imagine" and "Dark Side of the Moon."  What music is of your generation, love it or leave it, it's YOURS.  If you're fifteen you have to have something you love.  In 1997, if it that was Jimi Hendrix, then you were just sad and pathetic.
 
 

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
  are you insane?  "modern rock" or the shit that sells records right now is some of the most derivative crap Iâ??ve ever heard in my life, what world are you living in?

I'm living in July 5th, 2007.  From the talk on this board, it seems like a lot of the people on this board are living in 1997 (back when the Smashing Pumpkins were popular.)
 
 But if you put anything by the Red Hot Chili Peppers or U2 or even The Arcade Fire next to "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" you're not going to tell me the Fall Out Boy song is the most derivative.  No one is completely original in rock n roll except for the following (if anyone over the age of fifty is to be believed):
 
 1. The Beatles.
 2. Jimi Hendrix.
 
 But the Fall Out Boy is at least "different" than the others.  With its disco-like verse and mall-punk chorus it doesn't sound like anything else.
 
 Now that something's been recommended to me, I shall recommend something to all of you.  It's a CD and apparently since all the songs on it were written by Saint Lennon, the tragedy in Darfur will magically disappear if you play this CD and hope and wish and pray and join Avril Ramona Lavigne (sic):
 
 Imagine no possessions
 I wonder if you can
 No need for greed or hunger
 A brotherhood of man
 
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 Don't be cynical!  It really works!
 
 Brian
 
 P.S.  You'll also have to suffer through Lenny Kravitz "signing" "Cold Turkey."

[Sage 703]

The people I resented were my peers who insisted on loving and identifying and claiming superiority on music that wasn't of their generation. Boorish treatises on "Imagine" and "Dark Side of the Moon." What music is of your generation, love it or leave it, it's YOURS. If you're fifteen you have to have something you love. In 1997, if it that was Jimi Hendrix, then you were just sad and pathetic.

For somebody that reasons out most of their arguments on this board, this argument is absolutely and completely idiotic.
 
 To claim that art loses its relevance or its importance after the generation it was created in is one of the most ignorant, unbelievable and outlandish claims that I've ever heard.  It effectively negates any kind of respect that I had for your opinion on anything music related.

[Bombay Chutney]

 Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak.
 

But the Fall Out Boy is at least "different" than the others.  With its disco-like verse and mall-punk chorus it doesn't sound like anything else.
 

You do realize that mall-punk (by definition) is nothing but a watered-down version of 30-year-old punk and disco is even older than that?   What happened to sticking with your own generation?

[Mobius]

When I hear FOB and PATD I hear a high school musicals, showtunes, meat loaf, rocky horror and the like via pseudo punkish contrivances and pro-tools.
 
 But you know I hear you, I mean I'm so tired of bands basing their music on chords and notes and melody.  I mean maybe that made sense to past generations but why should we be tied to such arbitrary devices?  And evolution has always been a pet peeve of mine.

[eros]

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[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by eros:
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the second design of this shirt sucks.  the original is awesome.