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Title: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 22, 2009, 12:03:27 pm
i brought this up in the '09 albums thread and i think it deserves its own .... so we're in the last year of the decade, what kind of superlatives can we throw around?

seems like these type of things are always fraught with defining the bounds of consideration ("Artist/Band of the Decade" v. "Rock Band of the Decade"), so please include some kind of a description of what you're thinking about if it's not obvious ... for example, any "Artist/Band of the Decade" (in my mind) would almost certainly be a rapper (probably Jay-Z) ... similarly, i think calling someone the "Best Artist of the Decade" is hugely different than "Artist of the Decade"

Rock Bands of the Decade
Coldplay: see Mitch Benn, "Everything Sounds Like Coldplay Now"
The Strokes:  reignited NYC rock, the dominant sound of the decade
The White Stripes:  put out 5 pretty fantastic albums, enormous breadth of listeners

Best Rock Bands of the Decade
Arcade Fire
Drive-By Truckers
The Walkmen

Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade
Carl Newman
Jens Lekman
Ted Leo
John Darnielle
Matt Pond
Brendan Benson
John Vanderslice
M. Ward
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: edbert on January 22, 2009, 02:17:27 pm
Instead of the normal ten years why not go back eleven... that would be one better
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Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 22, 2009, 02:31:41 pm
I'll be glad to post my thoughts sometime around Dec 31. I'll even give you my top 100 of the Decade list that I've been compiling for years. But not until then.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 22, 2009, 03:36:51 pm
Good thread, something interesting (and actually music-related) to discuss and argue about.

The thing is, it?s hard to gauge the band of the decade because are we talking mainstream, indie, critical/cred, popular, classic, etc. ? It?s also more challenging now because the music business has changed so much. You don?t have any more albums selling 10 million copies, and I?d venture to guess we never will again until some form of anti-pirating technology or format comes along.

I think outside the U.S., the band of the 00s is Muse. Started right at the end of the 90s and built themselves into a massive operation on the strength of quality, popular records and an almost universally recognized reputation as a great live act. They can sell out arenas of 100k+, plus their albums have pretty much all received high critical acclaim and sold well. They?re popular with a lot of hipsters and the general public (outside of the U.S. at least). They?re expected to release another album this year. If it has a ?Wonderwall? type single on there that resonates here, they will become the biggest band in the world, on the level of Oasis in 1996.

In terms of influence, Arcade Fire seems like a candidate for being one of the more influential bands. They?ve only put out 2 records, but I can totally hear their sound and vibe in a lot of the new bands out now and some more established ones.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on January 22, 2009, 03:42:33 pm
Queens. Best everything ever.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 22, 2009, 03:44:37 pm
Not so much with Paul Rogers.

Queens. Best everything ever.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 22, 2009, 03:45:30 pm
Remind me again who Muse is? I saw one of their videos once, they appeared to me doing a really bad Queen impersonation.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 22, 2009, 04:02:34 pm
Nah, they'd just go over your head, stick with Patty Loveless or whatever the hell it is you play on your crank-up hi-fi
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: walkonby on January 22, 2009, 04:14:40 pm
nothing says the decade like devendra.  nothing.

worst comeback of the decade - duran duran

crappiest album of the decade - tie : pat boone's "in a metal mood"  limp bizkit's "chocolate starfish ..."

best live show of the decade - flaming lips

biggest music dick of the decade - lars
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 22, 2009, 04:29:57 pm
So which countries have you personally travelled to this decade and observed their greatness outside the U.S.?

Nah, they'd just go over your head, stick with Patty Loveless or whatever the hell it is you play on your crank-up hi-fi
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 22, 2009, 04:50:58 pm
Well, despite being tremendously well-traveled, I've not personally observed their greatness outside of the U.S. But there are these neat new things called magazines and they feature what are called articles and photographs, that are able to summarize and depict an event or phenomena for an interested observer without that person actually having to attend said event. It's really nuts. I keep hearing this technology is going to be available over a typewriter-television but I'll stick with my magazines and afternoon paper, thank you.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: BookerT on January 22, 2009, 05:10:17 pm
muse? are you kidding?

maybe if it was for "14th best laser show of the 00s" they could be in the conversation.

otherwise, puh-leeze.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 22, 2009, 05:15:38 pm
Good argument
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: BookerT on January 22, 2009, 05:31:31 pm
Good argument

sorry dude. sometimes there's not much to argue. i really think muse is the kinda like the nickelback of alt-rock, or whatever genre they are part of. i see/hear nothing but bombast and some decent technical proficiency without any actual songwriting chops. let's distract 'em with bright lights and neat sound effects!
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 22, 2009, 05:38:22 pm
I wouldn't say they were the best band of the decade, but they've had the most impressive trajectory of any band out there, in terms of what they've accomplished. And again, I hedged my original post by saying they're the biggest band outside of the U.S.

Speaking of which, you've done a lot of whining here today. How about offering up something. Who do you nominate? Puh-leeze?
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 22, 2009, 05:49:00 pm
The thing is, it?s hard to gauge the band of the decade because are we talking mainstream, indie, critical/cred, popular, classic, etc. ?

Yeah, that was my disclaimer in the OP...

You could have bands of the decade for all of those categories.  I think "Band of the Decade" encompasses little bits of all of those.  It has to capture the zeitgeist in some crucial way, while also being widely listened to and appreciated.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: BookerT on January 22, 2009, 05:53:44 pm
i really haven't done too much whining, just about muse, who i have an admittedly strong adverse reaction to.

if the criteria calls for big popularity as part of the equation then probably radiohead, white stripes, kanye are near the top, as predictable as that may be.

if you want to go down a tier then i could make varyingly successful arguments for the hold steady, my morning jacket, the new pornographers/destroyer/ac newman crew, spoon. and jay reatard, obvs.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 22, 2009, 06:13:08 pm
some more bands/artists that would be in the conversation:

Beck
Wilco
The Flaming Lips
The Killers
Outkast (but more like 95-05)
The Roots

Death Cab for Cutie
The Decemberists
The Shins
The National
Broken Social Scene (and crew, including Feist, Kevin Drew, etc.)
LCD Soundsystem/DFA/James Murphy
Of Montreal
Daft Punk
TV on the Radio
Animal Collective (+ Panda Bear)
Okkervil River
Neko Case
Conor Oberst / Bright Eyes (vomit)
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Arthwys on January 22, 2009, 10:52:12 pm
I rather agree with the idea that Muse have a shot at band of the decade, given their rise to popularity and the quality of their albums and live show.  BookerT, I can sympathize, I was a slow convert to Muse, because their bombastic-ness (even a word?) was almost too over the top for me.  But if you take it a little less seriously and just approach them as a balls to the wall rock show, then you gotta admit they do that amazingly well. 

Decemberists could be considered for a lot of the same reasons.  Their debut EP came out in '01 I believe, and with each album have steadily gained followers and embraced new ideas, yet remained fairly true to their schtick and their vision.  Last I heard they hope to release their next album this March.  If it is a wild success, then that would pretty much cap off a heck of a decade for them. 
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Firebutt McGee on January 23, 2009, 12:43:24 pm
I'm curious who you guys would nominate as the most relevant male and female musicians of the 2000's?

I guess my criteria for this would be someone who has managed to maintain a steady stream of influence and buzz around them, primarily for their music.

I *would* nominate Amy Winehouse, but it's really no longer about her music, is it?
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on January 23, 2009, 12:51:46 pm
I think for Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade you've got to include Gibbard. The guy writes pop music in the truest sense of the word.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Vas Deferens on January 23, 2009, 12:56:36 pm
Bjork & PJ Harvey

I'm curious who you guys would nominate as the most relevant male and female musicians of the 2000's?

I guess my criteria for this would be someone who has managed to maintain a steady stream of influence and buzz around them, primarily for their music.

I *would* nominate Amy Winehouse, but it's really no longer about her music, is it?
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 23, 2009, 01:09:51 pm
I'm curious who you guys would nominate as the most relevant male and female musicians of the 2000's?

I guess my criteria for this would be someone who has managed to maintain a steady stream of influence and buzz around them, primarily for their music.

I *would* nominate Amy Winehouse, but it's really no longer about her music, is it?

To me, Amy Winehouse is the Katy Perry of 2 years ago. She came out with a nice-sounding single and then became a celebrity. It's hard to call "Frank" a significant release, so all she's got going for her is one album. PJ Harvey and Bjork peaked in the 90s and while they still command respect, they're not part of this discussion. I don't know which female artists you could slot in for this decade. Not Feist, Cat Power, Joanna Newsome. That's a tough one.

For men, I'd have to agree that Kanye is part of the discussion. Cannot stand him or his music, but motherscratcher has released all his records this decade and they've all been notable and successful with nary a flop or much of a (musical) stumble.



Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: sweetcell on January 23, 2009, 02:33:41 pm
Bjork & PJ Harvey

the question was "the most relevant male and female musicians of the 2000's", not "most likely to be part of a threesome in the average hipster's fantasy" :D

for the ladies, bjork, maybe... but no way PJ is on the list.  how about madonna?  yes, she's been around forever but her music still sells and she's hugely influential.  not selling quite as well but definitely influential is britney.  before the pitchfork nazis jump all over the above: i can't stand any of the artists mentioned above other than PJ.  i'm not saying they're any good, i'm saying they are influential.

but since the question is "relevance", we probably need to talk about beyonce and mary j blige.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on January 23, 2009, 02:43:09 pm
As vomit inducing as it is for me to type this: Gwen Stefani.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Firebutt McGee on January 23, 2009, 03:39:26 pm
but since the question is "relevance", we probably need to talk about beyonce and mary j blige.

I was thinking about this. Beyonce might be a clear forerunner for this.

She's one of few that managed to sell, remain relevant, and be wildly influential in the culture of the 2000s. Even with Destiny's Child, really.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: eltee on January 23, 2009, 04:15:37 pm
I'm curious who you guys would nominate as the most relevant male and female musicians of the 2000's?
Kanye West would nom Kayne West.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: eltee on January 23, 2009, 04:27:58 pm
I think for Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade you've got to include Gibbard. The guy writes pop music in the truest sense of the word.
I'd vote for DCFC and Gibbard in the writer / male category. At the very least as a humble HM.
Death Cab infiltrated the mainstream, while maintaining their indie cred & original sound. Kids, adults all seem to love them and/or know of them. Plus, lyrics are innocent, basic, yet poetic. And, an album about death on a major label - and sold plenty still - is something. Give 'em one more album that does well and they'll secure a spot on this list, imo.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 23, 2009, 04:53:09 pm
How are they different from Modest Mouse? Even MM had an actual sorta radio hit.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Sage 703 on January 23, 2009, 05:10:06 pm
Couple of additions....

Songwriters: Ryan Adams has to be in the conversation, given that every album he released in his solo career came in the '00s.

Artist: Jay-Z has to be in the discussion, if not towards the top of the list.  Kanye doesn't go anywhere without him. Released this decade: The Dynasty (2000), Unplugged (2001), The Blueprint (2001), The Blueprint 2 (2002), The Blueprint 2.1 (2003), The Black Album (2003), Collision Course (2004), Kingdom Come (2006), American Gangster (2007) - not to mention the countless unofficial mashup releases and appearances on other albums/songs.


Rick Rubin, Marc Ronson, Danger Mouse, and Brian Eno should also be in the discussion, thinking along the lines of producers.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Firebutt McGee on January 23, 2009, 05:16:11 pm
Danger Mouse would be a GREAT nomination.

Not to mention, his near flawless track record in terms of production. You could also refer back to how he's been influential in making a lot of those retro organ sounds and throwback songwriting in general, popular again.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 23, 2009, 05:17:59 pm
Brian Eno?

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r223/detenterin/birdy_01.gif)

I agree with Danger Mouse though. He's been innovative and is riding a lot of the modern/current trends and such.

Jay-Z to me is a 90s dude. The Blueprint is the only 00's album that will be remembered. His whole "executive" sabbatical hurt his momentum, along with those shitty albums he put out.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Sage 703 on January 23, 2009, 05:46:48 pm
Brian Eno?

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r223/detenterin/birdy_01.gif)

I agree with Danger Mouse though. He's been innovative and is riding a lot of the modern/current trends and such.

Jay-Z to me is a 90s dude. The Blueprint is the only 00's album that will be remembered. His whole "executive" sabbatical hurt his momentum, along with those shitty albums he put out.

With Eno?  Sure - if people are going to claim the Arcade Fire is in the discussion on the back of two albums, I can claim Eno is as a producer on the back of U2's All That You Can't Leave Behind and Coldplay's Viva La Vida on their own.  When you add to that the forthcoming U2 album, his collaborations with Paul Simon and David Byrne, his solo material, etc etc - he can absolutely be talked about.  Not to mention all of the things he has partial credits on for the decade.

As for Jay-Z, I just think you're wrong.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 23, 2009, 05:58:11 pm
Jay-Z to me is a 90s dude. The Blueprint is the only 00's album that will be remembered. His whole "executive" sabbatical hurt his momentum, along with those shitty albums he put out.

yeah, this is flat-out wrong.

to expand a bit:  i'm really not that plugged into hip-hop, but being influential in that world doesn't just mean releasing big albums, it means producing, guest tracks, mixtapes, remixing, running a label, finding new talent, etc, etc, etc ... lil wayne was one of the biggest rappers in the world in the couple of years leading up to his last album - released in summer 2008 - because of all the mixtapes and guest appearances

jay-z pretty much owned hip-hop in the 00's (gave kanye his break, etc) ... kanye was hot on his heels
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Sage 703 on January 23, 2009, 06:10:03 pm
I'm curious who you guys would nominate as the most relevant male and female musicians of the 2000's?

I guess my criteria for this would be someone who has managed to maintain a steady stream of influence and buzz around them, primarily for their music.

I *would* nominate Amy Winehouse, but it's really no longer about her music, is it?

Can I nominate a band?  If so: Radiohead.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 23, 2009, 06:12:18 pm
I'm curious who you guys would nominate as the most relevant male and female musicians of the 2000's?

I guess my criteria for this would be someone who has managed to maintain a steady stream of influence and buzz around them, primarily for their music.

I *would* nominate Amy Winehouse, but it's really no longer about her music, is it?

Can I nominate a band?  If so: Radiohead.

This, to me, is a situation where the criteria really matters.  I would consider Radiohead as the _best_ band of the decade, but not as the most relevant/influential.  They're off on their own island.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 23, 2009, 06:14:28 pm
I'm curious who you guys would nominate as the most relevant male and female musicians of the 2000's?

I guess my criteria for this would be someone who has managed to maintain a steady stream of influence and buzz around them, primarily for their music.

I *would* nominate Amy Winehouse, but it's really no longer about her music, is it?

Alicia Keys
Norah Jones
Avril Lavigne
Britney Spears
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Sage 703 on January 23, 2009, 06:15:24 pm

Can I nominate a band?  If so: Radiohead.

This, to me, is a situation where the criteria really matters.  I would consider Radiohead as the _best_ band of the decade, but not as the most relevant/influential.  They're off on their own island.

Interesting.  I think it also comes down to how you define relevance.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 23, 2009, 06:19:50 pm

Can I nominate a band?  If so: Radiohead.

This, to me, is a situation where the criteria really matters.  I would consider Radiohead as the _best_ band of the decade, but not as the most relevant/influential.  They're off on their own island.

Interesting.  I think it also comes down to how you define relevance.

True, but "relevance" is kind of a weasel word.  Who did the Radiohead of the 00's influence?  Not a rhetorical question, I just can't think of anyone off the top of my head.

Whereas the Strokes were enormously influential (on both sides of the pond), but only put out one great album.  Same with Amy Winehouse, although I never really followed that white-girl neo-soul revival thing, someone else might have been the spark there.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: BookerT on January 23, 2009, 06:35:49 pm
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 23, 2009, 06:42:25 pm
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.

that's a good point, and they could be looked to later down the line as first big band that changed the industry's business model

they were pretty much done with "guitar rock" by the 00's, though... their transformation happened in the 90s
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Sage 703 on January 23, 2009, 06:42:30 pm
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.

Seconded.  

I'd add that releasing "In Rainbows" for free is a HUGE influence on what will come next in the music industry - just look at the big time artists that followed them down that path after they broke the door down.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Sage 703 on January 23, 2009, 06:42:55 pm
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.
they were pretty much done with "guitar rock" by the 00's, though... their transformation happened in the 90s

Not quite - Kid A was released in 2000.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 23, 2009, 06:44:04 pm
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.
they were pretty much done with "guitar rock" by the 00's, though... their transformation happened in the 90s

Not quite - Kid A was released in 2000.

do they play guitar on Kid A?

"O'Brien began to keep an online studio diary of the band's progress.[19] He later described Radiohead's change in style during this period: "If you're going to make a different-sounding record, you have to change the methodology. And it's scary?everyone feels insecure. I'm a guitarist and suddenly it's like, well, there are no guitars on this track, or no drums".[9] Drummer Phil Selway also found it hard to adjust to the recording sessions.[9]"
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_A
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Sage 703 on January 23, 2009, 06:46:17 pm
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.
they were pretty much done with "guitar rock" by the 00's, though... their transformation happened in the 90s

Not quite - Kid A was released in 2000.

do they play guitar on Kid A?

Sure - there is guitar on all of their albums.  But I think common opinion is that Kid A is when Radiohead took the huge creative left turn.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: walkonby on January 23, 2009, 07:36:41 pm
cont...

bela fleck with or without the flecktones

mars volta

polyphonic spree

travis

system of a down

best comeback of the decade -  sinead o'conner
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Firebutt McGee on January 23, 2009, 08:35:43 pm
Would James Murphy qualify as someone who has been wildly influential/relevant in the 2000's?

My thing with that is, I'm considering most of the 2000's, and that whole movement didn't really kick off in a "relevant" way until about 2005. So...too soon?
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 24, 2009, 09:49:25 am
Would James Murphy qualify as someone who has been wildly influential/relevant in the 2000's?

My thing with that is, I'm considering most of the 2000's, and that whole movement didn't really kick off in a "relevant" way until about 2005. So...too soon?

no way, "dance-punk" or whatever the hell you want to call it was pretty huge by 2003:  DFA put out Radio 4's "Gotham" in 2002 and totally blew up with the Rapture's "Echoes" in 2003 ... Out Hud's "S.T.R.E.E.T. D.A.D." was also 2002 and !!! blew up in 2003 with "Me and Giuliani..." but were getting popular in 2001 and 2002 as well

i'd actually peg 2003 as the apex of "that whole movement"
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: bearman🐻 on January 25, 2009, 11:40:54 pm
I know he's dead and he really only put out 2 LP's worth of stuff in the 00's, but I still think "From a Basement on the Hill" and "Figure 8" by Elliott Smith are pretty remarkable.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Mobius on January 26, 2009, 12:33:18 am
MVPs of 2001 seem to have defined the aughts:

Radiohead
The Strokes
The White Stripes
Jay-Z
Daft Punk



. . . and female artists? . . . how about Gwen Stefani . . . and on the flip side Cat Power


Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: eltee on January 26, 2009, 10:51:16 am
I guess my criteria for this would be someone who has managed to maintain a steady stream of influence and buzz around them, primarily for their music.


Can I nominate a band?  If so: Radiohead.
I wondered about nominating them too, and then also thought of: Wilco.

Are the noms superlatives, or determined by justifying relevance?
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 26, 2009, 11:15:04 am
From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them. Brendan's Lapalco was phenomenal, but his followup was average, and his debut was from the 90's. I pretty much don't care for anybody else on your list, sari.


Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade
Carl Newman
Jens Lekman
Ted Leo
John Darnielle
Matt Pond
Brendan Benson
John Vanderslice
M. Ward
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 26, 2009, 12:09:31 pm
Are the noms superlatives, or determined by justifying relevance?

read the original post... write about whatever you want (most relevant, best, whatever), but describe the parameters somehow so we can argue about your pick without getting caught up parsing the criteria you used
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on January 26, 2009, 12:11:19 pm
From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them.

totally agree about Andrew Bird, not sure how I left him off my original list... Neko and Josh Rouse should also be on there, good calls
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: eltee on January 26, 2009, 02:13:13 pm
From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them. Brendan's Lapalco was phenomenal, but his followup was average, and his debut was from the 90's. I pretty much don't care for anybody else on your list, sari.


Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade
Carl Newman
Jens Lekman
Ted Leo
John Darnielle
Matt Pond
Brendan Benson
John Vanderslice
M. Ward
Charlie, thoughts on Josh Ritter?
You might not, but I would nom Glen Hansard. :)

I did go back to the original, just checking to see if parameters had changed based on responses.;)  My original pick, Death Cab, someone asked the difference between DCFC and Modest Mouse. Not sure, pretty even, my own personal experience is DCFC is better known among more age groups. Also, not being snarky, but curious if this gives them a leg: Ben Gibbard and a Grammy nom.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: hutch on January 26, 2009, 11:23:35 pm
Best album of the decade for me- meaning my favorite- is Los Amigos Invisibles "Venezuelan Zinga Son".. what a party record!
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 27, 2009, 08:51:02 am
Good call, El Tee. i'd put Josh Ritter in there too. If I hand to rank them, it would be:

Rouse
Ward
Case
Lekman
Ritter
Bird
Sexsmith
Benson

And Nick Lowe has only put out two albums this decade, but he's have to be in there simply because he's Nick Lowe. (and the two albums were good)

And the 2008 albums from both Kasey Chambers (with her husband) and Hayes Carll are both stellar. Though maybe one great album doesn't get you on my list.

Bobby Bare Jr. would also be close.

And you're right, Hansard wouldn't rank. He'd probably be below everyone on Hoya's list. :)

From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them. Brendan's Lapalco was phenomenal, but his followup was average, and his debut was from the 90's. I pretty much don't care for anybody else on your list, sari.


Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade
Carl Newman
Jens Lekman
Ted Leo
John Darnielle
Matt Pond
Brendan Benson
John Vanderslice
M. Ward
Charlie, thoughts on Josh Ritter?
You might not, but I would nom Glen Hansard. :)

I did go back to the original, just checking to see if parameters had changed based on responses.;)  My original pick, Death Cab, someone asked the difference between DCFC and Modest Mouse. Not sure, pretty even, my own personal experience is DCFC is better known among more age groups. Also, not being snarky, but curious if this gives them a leg: Ben Gibbard and a Grammy nom.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 27, 2009, 10:35:27 am
So, in other words, every band and musician that's put music in the last nine years.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 27, 2009, 10:38:31 am
Basically any band that's not called "Muse" or "Marney Stern".


So, in other words, every band and musician that's put music in the last nine years.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 27, 2009, 11:37:59 am
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Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: eltee on January 30, 2009, 01:08:55 pm
Good call, El Tee. i'd put Josh Ritter in there too. If I hand to rank them, it would be:

Rouse
Ward
Case
Lekman
Ritter
Bird
Sexsmith
Benson

Bobby Bare Jr. would also be close.

From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them. Brendan's Lapalco was phenomenal, but his followup was average, and his debut was from the 90's. I pretty much don't care for anybody else on your list, sari.


Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade
Carl Newman
Jens Lekman
Ted Leo
John Darnielle
Matt Pond
Brendan Benson
John Vanderslice
M. Ward
Charlie, thoughts on Josh Ritter?

Ha! I later thought if I had missed Sexsmith or Bare, Jr. on your list...nice. I'm surprised, not necessarily in a bad way, that Rouse is your #1.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Vas Deferens on January 30, 2009, 01:15:15 pm
Rouse's later work is rubbish.

I'll also add Sondre Lerche. I agree with Lekman, Ritter, Bird, and Sexsmith.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Relaxer on January 30, 2009, 01:31:58 pm
I predicted about a year and a half ago that M.I.A. was eventually going to be a massive international superstar and not only do I continue to stand by that, but I think she's well on her way (when I made my daring, handsome prediction before, "Paper Planes" hadn't blown up yet). At the very least, she'll be at Bjork's or Gwen Stefani's level, but I think she'll eclipse both of them and approach Madonna levels.

She's got a unique mashed-up ethnic vibe and look that the girlies will emulate and the men will get boners over. She's shown a willingness to experiment madly with her sound, which is already an interesting mix of world, hip-hop, indie and pop. And because of her influences and ethnicity, she could play hugely in a lot of developing markets.

And, hell, her music is really good.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Sage 703 on January 30, 2009, 01:51:20 pm
At the very least, she'll be at Bjork's or Gwen Stefani's level, but I think she'll eclipse both of them and approach Madonna levels.

I appreciate the boldness of this prediction, but I don't think there is a chance in hell of this happening.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 30, 2009, 03:33:19 pm
Id say his last two are listenable and decent. The three prior, culminating in Nashville, were brilliant. So to me, he had three brilliant albums this decade, and no other singer songwriter did.

Rouse's later work is rubbish.

I'll also add Sondre Lerche. I agree with Lekman, Ritter, Bird, and Sexsmith.
Title: Re: 00's Superlatives
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on January 30, 2009, 03:34:52 pm
He read it in a foreign newspaper, it must me true.  :D


At the very least, she'll be at Bjork's or Gwen Stefani's level, but I think she'll eclipse both of them and approach Madonna levels.

I appreciate the boldness of this prediction, but I don't think there is a chance in hell of this happening.