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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: blinksaar on June 28, 2005, 07:48:00 pm
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OMG IM SO PISSED RIGHT NOW CAUSE NOW I CANT GO TO THE 9:30 CLUB BECAUSE OF THE SHOOTING, I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SEEING ALKALINE TRIO, MY FAVORITE BAND!!!
Please 9:30, move your location to a safer place in D.C, just charge a little extra on the ticket price for a little while so u can afford it.
If you agree please reply.
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Parents not letting you go?
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no its my friends parents, but still, you know it is a bad location...
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Yep, that's a bummer.
But truthfully, it would be easier for the rest of us if your friends just change parents.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Yep, that's a bummer.
But truthfully, it would be easier for the rest of us if your friends just change parents.
hahaha
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lol i think they should move the location to like DOWNTOWN DC or something...or like northrn virginia
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There are too many Mara Salvatrucha types in Northern Virginia and DOWNTOWN?!?!??! Don't you know Al Queda will be anthraxing the hell out of downtown before you know it...
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i've heard the killer is still lurking around the area, looking for little white boys to shoot
can we hope and pray that this means less high school kids at shows? i feel sooooo damn old whenever i go to 930 or black cat ... and i'm not even 25!
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Originally posted by Alec:
lol i think they should move the location to like DOWNTOWN DC or something...or like northrn virginia
oh oh, as long as we're making requests, could it please be right next to the clarendon ballroom?? jeez, i just love that place, it would make my life so much easier.
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i know seriously hahaha
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Originally posted by Alec:
no its my friends parents, but still, you know it is a bad location...
As long as you are:
- not selling drugs
- not buying drugs
- not robbing anybody
- not being an asshole
- not hanging with assholes
- not flirting with the girl/guy of an asshole
- not freaking out if someone flirts with your girl/guy
- not getting so fucked up that you become an easy target
- not walking alone with no one nearby at 3am in the fucking morning
you should be fine.
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Originally posted by Alec:
OMG IM SO PISSED RIGHT NOW CAUSE NOW I CANT GO TO THE 9:30 CLUB BECAUSE OF THE SHOOTING, I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SEEING ALKALINE TRIO, MY FAVORITE BAND!!!
Please 9:30, move your location to a safer place in D.C, just charge a little extra on the ticket price for a little while so u can afford it.
If you agree please reply.
no agreement here... do you honestly think that the 9:30 club would be as SUCCESSFUL as it is because it's in a unsafe location?
as bnb points out if one is looking for trouble they are going to find it...
have your friends parents contact the club with their concerns and let them address them... have them drive you to and from the club...
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kosmo can u like send my mom an email saying that its okay? id still go...i love alkaline trio soo much
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i don't actually work for the club... post your concerns in the FAQ forumand eddie will be glad to help out
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The problem here kids is that you're giving your parents way too much information about where you're going and what you're up to.
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Originally posted by Alec:
kosmo can u like send my mom an email saying that its okay? id still go...i love alkaline trio soo much
Ask Eddie if your buddy's parents can hang out in the back bar while you guys are at the show. Sometimes it's cool with him. It's all about how badly you want to see the show and much you're willing to give and take with this guys parents....then find new friends with hipper parents and stop worrying about what you read in the paper about neighborhoods in DC. Learn some street smarts and you'll be fine.
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Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
The problem here kids is that you're giving your parents way too much information about where you're going and what you're up to.
my friend didnt tell his dad its just that his dad found out...god its making me sooo mad
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There was a shooting around 930?
Anyone have details or a link to a story?
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link to a story (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010456)
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Originally posted by Alec:
no its my friends parents, but still, you know it is a bad location...
As long as you are:
- not being an asshole
you should be fine. [/b]
come on now, this is DC we're talking about ;)
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didnt 930 club used to be in old town alexandria?
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Originally posted by Alec:
OMG IM SO PISSED RIGHT NOW CAUSE NOW I CANT GO TO THE 9:30 CLUB BECAUSE OF THE SHOOTING, I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SEEING ALKALINE TRIO, MY FAVORITE BAND!!!
Please 9:30, move your location to a safer place in D.C, just charge a little extra on the ticket price for a little while so u can afford it.
If you agree please reply.
BE ADVISED:
The DC metro police are looking real hard at Alec as the prime suspect in this shooting.
Alec, during interrogation, has stated, "...I've been busy searching the NE club scene for the true killers."
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Originally posted by Alec:
didnt 930 club used to be in old town alexandria?
no it used to be on F street and back then that area was a tad rat and smell infested...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by Alec:
didnt 930 club used to be in old town alexandria?
no it used to be on F street and back then that area was a tad rat and smell infested... [/b]
But it was 2 blocks from the FBI.
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Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
The problem here kids is that you're giving your parents way too much information about where you're going and what you're up to.
This was the best statement so far! LOL
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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heh... Alec *must* be a put-on...
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Not trying to be patronizing here Alec, but how old are you? I remember one day I cut school and just stayed at home that morning. Sugar was doing a record signing and I wanted to meet Bob Mould. My mom asked me why I wasn't going to school and I simply replied "I'm a good kid, I never ask you for shit, I get good grades and this is my get-out-of-jail-free card. I'm not going in, this is something I want to do, and that's that." She was so floored she just simply muttered "just as long as this doesn't become a habit". My point is that sometimes (if you're a responsible kid) you CAN put your foot down. Ask to be treated like an adult and sometimes you'll get it. Not all parents are as cool as my mom (this of course is the woman who got me PJ Harvey's autograph), but then again I used to NEVER think my mom was cool. And I was wrong.
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Originally posted by MindCage:
Originally posted by Fine French Chaz:
The problem here kids is that you're giving your parents way too much information about where you're going and what you're up to.
This was the best statement so far! LOL
[/b]
BAR NONE without question!!
:)
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The shooting was with people there for the Carribean festival. That was a one day event that brings thousands to that area to go crazy (per the great Clash song). Normally it is a pretty mellow neighborhood.
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For the record, parents and everyone else for that matter are always allowed to hang out in the Backbar without a ticket.
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Originally posted by eddie:
For the record, parents and everyone else for that matter are always allowed to hang out in the Backbar without a ticket.
Thanks for the clarification!!! ewe rule
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Why do you respond as if you're a kid instead of an adult? How old are YOU?
The fact that his parent is concerned about his safety makes the parent cool, not uncool.
Originally posted by bearman:
Not trying to be patronizing here Alec, but how old are you? I remember one day I cut school and just stayed at home that morning. Sugar was doing a record signing and I wanted to meet Bob Mould. My mom asked me why I wasn't going to school and I simply replied "I'm a good kid, I never ask you for shit, I get good grades and this is my get-out-of-jail-free card. I'm not going in, this is something I want to do, and that's that." She was so floored she just simply muttered "just as long as this doesn't become a habit". My point is that sometimes (if you're a responsible kid) you CAN put your foot down. Ask to be treated like an adult and sometimes you'll get it. Not all parents are as cool as my mom (this of course is the woman who got me PJ Harvey's autograph), but then again I used to NEVER think my mom was cool. And I was wrong.
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The shooting in question was also at 3:00 a.m. You should be LONG gone by that time of the night, the witching hour, so to say.
Further, from the article, "The Cardozo-Shaw Neighborhood Association already was protesting renewal of the club's liquor license, saying its late-night patrons are a nuisance."
I'll bet there aren't any neighborhood complaints about the 9:30 Club. Apples and oranges as long as you don't go wandering all through Shaw...
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Rhett, as an adult I'm trying to lend a sympathetic ear to the kid, but give me a FUCKING break...anyone that has a clue knows the risks of what is out there in the big bad world. I didn't say a thing about the parent's decision to keep his kid locked up. But let's face it, he's probably in just as much danger (or more so) in going to school as he is going to U Street to see a show at the 9:30 Club.
Of course, then I have to ask myself why I even bother responding to you anyway.
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Originally posted by Bags:
The shooting in question was also at 3:00 a.m. You should be LONG gone by that time of the night, the witching hour, so to say.
Further, from the article, "The Cardozo-Shaw Neighborhood Association already was protesting renewal of the club's liquor license, saying its late-night patrons are a nuisance."
I'll bet there aren't any neighborhood complaints about the 9:30 Club. Apples and oranges as long as you don't go wandering all through Shaw...
I guess I'm going to start protesting the renewal liquor license of Saint-Ex, The Black Cat and whatever else is near my house you indie fucks go to :) All you drunks that talk loud late at night after leaving your shows and bars, leaving beer bottles on my block so you can do some pre-show drinking is a nuisance. Oh wait, don't believe me...I'm sure it was some thug kid and not some white suburban kid leaving these empty whippits on my block right? It goes both ways...not that I'd try to shutdown either of said mention establishments as I love both, but just proving a point...
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Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i've heard the killer is still lurking around the area, looking for little white boys to shoot
can we hope and pray that this means less high school kids at shows? i feel sooooo damn old whenever i go to 930 or black cat ... and i'm not even 25!
glad to know we are soing are job...hahaha you are so old!!!
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It's usually the minorities that litter. At least that was my experience watching people on the streets of Adams-Morgan.
Originally posted by MindCage:
Originally posted by Bags:
The shooting in question was also at 3:00 a.m. You should be LONG gone by that time of the night, the witching hour, so to say.
Further, from the article, "The Cardozo-Shaw Neighborhood Association already was protesting renewal of the club's liquor license, saying its late-night patrons are a nuisance."
I'll bet there aren't any neighborhood complaints about the 9:30 Club. Apples and oranges as long as you don't go wandering all through Shaw...
I guess I'm going to start protesting the renewal liquor license of Saint-Ex, The Black Cat and whatever else is near my house you indie fucks go to :) All you drunks that talk loud late at night after leaving your shows and bars, leaving beer bottles on my block so you can do some pre-show drinking is a nuisance. Oh wait, don't believe me...I'm sure it was some thug kid and not some white suburban kid leaving these empty whippits on my block right? It goes both ways...not that I'd try to shutdown either of said mention establishments as I love both, but just proving a point...
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Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com) [/b]
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Oh, sorry. It sounded like you were telling to kid to make demands of his parents rather than respecting his parents authority.
Originally posted by bearman:
Rhett, as an adult I'm trying to lend a sympathetic ear to the kid, but give me a FUCKING break...anyone that has a clue knows the risks of what is out there in the big bad world. I didn't say a thing about the parent's decision to keep his kid locked up. But let's face it, he's probably in just as much danger (or more so) in going to school as he is going to U Street to see a show at the 9:30 Club.
Of course, then I have to ask myself why I even bother responding to you anyway.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
The fact that his parent is concerned about his safety makes the parent cool, not uncool.
the fact that his parent made that blanket "because i said so" decision without factoring in the real factors for that kid's safety for the evening makes that parent a fucking idiot, not cool ... if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
... if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
I agree with the premise that it's not really more unsafe to go to the club now. But come on, these are parents sending their 15 or 16 year old kids out into the night int the city. I can understand. I can even empathize; not too long ago I kicked out of a condo because a 9 year old was shot on the street while playing across the street. It did raise issues -- that neighborhood is "emerging" and does carry different risks. Do I want to assume those risks where I live every day? No. Does a parent want to assume a certain level of risk so his/her kid can see one of the hundreds of bands he/she can see in a lifetime? Probably not. I can see myself thinking, "sweetie, there are a million shows to see, you can miss this one." As a mid-30something, that's true. As a 16 year old, it can feel like the END OF THE WORLD.
While I don't agree with the parents' conclusion, their thought process is pretty understandable.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
... if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
I agree with the premise that it's not really more unsafe to go to the club now. But come on, these are parents sending their 15 or 16 year old kids out into the night int the city. I can understand. I can even empathize; not too long ago I kicked out of a condo because a 9 year old was shot on the street while playing across the street. It did raise issues -- that neighborhood is "emerging" and does carry different risks. Do I want to assume those risks where I live every day? No. Does a parent want to assume a certain level of risk so his/her kid can see one of the hundreds of bands he/she can see in a lifetime? Probably not. I can see myself thinking, "sweetie, there are a million shows to see, you can miss this one." As a mid-30something, that's true. As a 16 year old, it can feel like the END OF THE WORLD.
While I don't agree with the parents' conclusion, their thought process is pretty understandable. [/b]
Well put.
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i just would like to provide a different type of response here with some firsthand info.
as some of you already know, or don't know, i am 15 years old (actually, not even! 14 until my birthday tomorrow. i just tend to LOOK a lot older than i really am). but it's still pretty damn young. i live in BETHESDA, the most overprotective and sheltered community around here. and i make music my pastime + love going to shows, so this of course places me and my parents in quite the pickle.
i went to my first show at merriweather when i was in fifth grade, and came to 9:30 first when i was in 7th grade (about twelve years old). i also go to shows a lot, at least twice a month but sometimes much more. the bands that i usually want to see are pretty much always playing at 9:30 or the black cat.
since i started going to these shows, i always have had to have a "responsible adult" (i.e. a parent willing to take us, or my brother--whose ticket i have always had to pay for myself) take us to the show, and stay in the club. i made my dad take me to see joan jett when i was 11 years old and he had a miserable time--he loves music too, but classical. i have had to find other people to take me to shows, and it's really really rough. especially since now, the people that have been taking us to the shows (friends parents, my brother) won't take us anymore, as they realize that their presence is unnecessary.
the locations of the clubs of course is the main concern here. my dad grew up in DC, and the areas where the clubs are now were where all the riots and violence took place when he was growing up, and he sees the neighborhood that way, and always will.
it's taken me years to work this out with my parents. first they were concerned about other people in the club, then they were concerned about me being out too late (they stopped letting me go to shows on school nights about two years ago), and it's finally just come down to the area. there is actually a huge debate going on in my household right now, because my dad doesn't think i should be able to start going to shows with at least two other friends and NO responsible adult present(we would get rides to & from the club), and my mom thinks it is okay. i recently went to a show with a group of kids and no adult, which my mother had said was okay and my dad got very pissed about. it is especially frustrating, because HE is the one who i inhereit the muscal interest from. so, tips i can give?
- tell your parents that realistically, there is not much risk. once you are inside the club (assuming that you stay in the club and don't wanter the streets), you are perfectly fine. any creep on the street is not going to have the ability to pay to get into these shows every night, and harass kids.
- try to reason with them, or make an agreement. don't yell and whine a lot. and make sure you understand where they are coming from before you try to reason with them.
- if you really are a good kid? tell them so, like somebody above suggested. i am a sweet kid that is ridiculously opposed to smoking and drugs of any sort, i don't have sex, i'm not going to go out and drink myself pissy at this age, and i do fantastic in school. and realizing this was probably why my mom is now trying to convince my dad that it's okay for us to start going to these things by ourselves.
- and also? if you think there is something going on that will FREAK out your parents about the area, you don't have to always tell them or let them find out!
good luck, though. if you need anything else you can always PM it over here.
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now that the house of representatives is repealing our gun laws, we can be safe from shootings anyway, right? right?
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Originally posted by general grievous:
now that the house of representatives is repealing our gun laws, we can be safe from shootings anyway, right? right?
damn straight!! as a former gun control activist who gave the cause up because i was so damn frustrated/cynical, this whole thing just really deflates me.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
... if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
I agree with the premise that it's not really more unsafe to go to the club now. But come on, these are parents sending their 15 or 16 year old kids out into the night int the city. I can understand. I can even empathize; not too long ago I kicked out of a condo because a 9 year old was shot on the street while playing across the street. It did raise issues -- that neighborhood is "emerging" and does carry different risks. Do I want to assume those risks where I live every day? No. Does a parent want to assume a certain level of risk so his/her kid can see one of the hundreds of bands he/she can see in a lifetime? Probably not. I can see myself thinking, "sweetie, there are a million shows to see, you can miss this one." As a mid-30something, that's true. As a 16 year old, it can feel like the END OF THE WORLD.
While I don't agree with the parents' conclusion, their thought process is pretty understandable. [/b]
i understand where you're coming from ... and that kid who got shot while playing outside, man that was just disgusting, really a tragedy ... but the bottom line is that there was no more danger after the recent shaw shooting than before, the shooting wasn't a random act of violence
from all my past gun control research, one of the biggest things that stood out is the overwhelming percentage of murders that are committed by people who either know each other or have a previous conflict ... the whole random shoot-you-on-the-street-because-you-didn't-give-me-your-wallet deal really rarely happens
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
from all my past gun control research, one of the biggest things that stood out is the overwhelming percentage of murders that are committed by people who either know each other or have a previous conflict ... the whole random shoot-you-on-the-street-because-you-didn't-give-me-your-wallet deal really rarely happens
I know many shootings are between acquantances, but innocent and unrelated bystanders get caught up in that, especially when it's happening at a club rather than a household. Also, at least for the Columbia Heights issue I mentioned, there is real anger bubbling up over residents being pushed out of homes and neighborhoods they and their families have lived in for years. There is anger and it is coming out in violent ways. I might be averse to sending my 14 year old out into that environment.
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Originally posted by Bags:
I know many shootings are between acquantances, but innocent and unrelated bystanders get caught up in that, especially when it's happening at a club rather than a household. Also, at least for the Columbia Heights issue I mentioned, there is real anger bubbling up over residents being pushed out of homes and neighborhoods they and their families have lived in for years. There is anger and it is coming out in violent ways. I might be averse to sending my 14 year old out into that environment.
hey, to each to his own ... but do you really think that recent violence in shaw/columbia heights (i don't have the stats, but i'd be willing to wager it's considerably less than it was 5-10 yrs ago) is anti-gentrification fueled? it's not like we're seeing yuppies shot on the street for invading their neighborhood, it seems like most of the violence is the same old "you looked at my girl the wrong way" or "you sold me two rocks when i was supposed to get three"
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Mass shooting at a
Krokus Piknik concert at Crocus City Hall in Moscow
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Mass shooting at a Krokus Piknik concert at Crocus City Hall in Moscow
yikes this sound horrible - anthem sized venue
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-music-venue-crocus-city-hall-moscow-picnic-concert/
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Mass shooting at a Krokus Piknik concert at Crocus City Hall in Moscow
yikes this sound horrible - anthem sized venue
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-music-venue-crocus-city-hall-moscow-picnic-concert/
If it’s a non IMP quality soundsystem, isn’t bloody death desirable?
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Mass shooting at a Krokus Piknik concert at Crocus City Hall in Moscow
yikes this sound horrible - anthem sized venue
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-music-venue-crocus-city-hall-moscow-picnic-concert/
If it’s a non IMP quality soundsystem, isn’t bloody death desirable?
I have heard that the sound at the Sphere will ruin you for even the best in-line PA at the most premium venues.
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Islamic State apparently
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
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That's psychotic!
Islamic State apparently
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
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Hey, it’s a question….
I note Russia was our friend in WWII because they were Germany’s enemy. The minute Germany was defeated they became our sworn enemy for the next half century!
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Wow. 133 dead so far.
Apparently the ISIS Afghanistan arm.
Ukraine blames Russia and Russia blames Ukraine.
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i thought trump defeated isis
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i thought trump defeated isis
No that was Russia.
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Ukraine blames Russia and Russia blames Ukraine.
some context:
ruzzia tried its hardest to blame Ukraine. after initially stating "Kyiv did it!!!111", that narrative fell apart: ISIS-K claimed responsibility, uploaded go-pro vids, and made it impossible to deny that they did it. so then the kremlin changed their story: Ukraine didn't do it but "gave support". ruzzia claimed that the suspects were trying to escape to Ukraine and that a "window" has been opened on the UA-RU border to let them through, so clearly UA is guilty! except that 1) the suspect were caught on the road to Belarus, not Ukraine, and 2) the UA-RU border is impossible to cross: you'll hit several checkpoint on the russian side before you get to the border, zero chance a civilan car can just drive through. the border is also heavily mined, no vehicles can pass.
Ukraine "blamed" ruzzia in as much as they've said they weren't responsible/involved, and put forth the idea that it was a false flag operation by the russian security service (FSB). there are a lot of details that make a false flag operation a possible if not likely explanation, chief among them: numerous 911 calls were made but it took almost an hour and a half for authorities to show up - despite having a large base of the national guard (including rapid response forces) located just 5 minutes away. the only logical explanation is that they were told not to respond immediately, because the kremlin wanted a massacre - it would help with the upcoming mobilization and justify additional violence (moscow has a history of doing this - 1999 apartment bombings, 2002 theater hostage crisis, etc.)
after being caught, the suspects were tortured by ruzzian police. one suspect had his ear cut off and stuffed in his mouth. another has electrodes attached to his testicles and shocks applied during interrogation. how do we know this? the ruzzians released videos of them doing this... savages. the electrocuted-balls suspect was later carted into the courtroom unconscious - yet he somehow plead guilty. all 4 suspects showed signs of beating and torture.
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Propaganda
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Propaganda
yeah? what part? i'm happy to provide links to any definitive statements i've made.
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Kind of all of it. That’s what countries do in war. I am not saying there is anything wrong with it. Just not interested in it.
Just because there are “sources” doesn’t mean it’s not propaganda.
Bottom line Russia tried to say Ukraine did it and Ukraine tried to say Russia did it and it turned out Isis did it.