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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: azaghal1981 on February 19, 2010, 05:50:33 pm
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Seriously. (http://www.tinymixtapes.com/news)
Some of us have used this language before when talking about LN on here. Now, it has more merit than ever.
Wal-Mart, Now with Live Nation Ticketing Outlets!
by
ERIKA H
on 02-19-2010
Personally, I blame online ticketing for missing out on Lady Gaga's Monster Ball tour. I despise waiting for the site to load, nervously refreshing the
page after I've already entered my credit card information, and panicking as the phone rings right when the site says I have five minutes to finalize my
order.
A new partnership between TMT favorites Live Nation Entertainment and Wal-Mart gives you another option. Live Nation executive chairman Irving Azoff announced
at the recent NBA Technology Summit in Dallas that ticketing outlets will open in select Wal-Mart stores across the US (about 500, in major cities). Rather
than go online, shoppers will be able to head to Wal-Mart's entertainment section for tickets to local concerts, sporting events, and other Ticketmaster
offerings.
$9.99 DVDs and Nickelback tickets in one shopping trip? Given the similar deal between Live Nation and Blockbuster, settled late last year, this might not
seem that special. But does Blockbuster have in-store fast food?
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Sounds convenient.
It would be cool if the 930 had some outlets..
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has anyone used one of the blockbuster ticket dispensers? i wonder if they're fast, and how tedious it is to throw back crappy seats and request new ones.
i'd hate to get to a blockbuster or walmart just before an onsale, and discover that there are 100 people in line in front of me.
i'm guessing these machines are best for slower-selling shows... then again, i doubt tickets would be any cheaper so why not just order online? (from TM/LN's perspective it would open up ticket sale to people who aren't accustomed to ordering tickets online, but i'm asking about ME!)
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I personally think laying in bed, grabbing your laptop from off a nearby table and clicking a few buttons and typing in a few characters is more convenient. Especially if the price is the same.
Sounds convenient.
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For some of us, going to Wal Mart is way more inconvenient than the issues one might have with hitting refresh. I think they need to put one in my apartment complex, that would be the best for me.
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but the ticket booths in walmart . . . will they censor the music you want to see in concert??
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Sounds convenient.
It would be cool if the 930 had some outlets..
I do wish the same about 930. In regard to LN - I'm not stepping in my local Wal-Mart - that place (including the parking lot) is nuts and the workers are rude and less than helpful (can't imagine how long it would take to transact a ticket!). The one time I'd rather by online. ;)
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More like the 7-11 of ticket sales.
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Seems to me that using self service terminals for quick selling shows is a bit of a disaster...
For one all it would take is a ticket broker and some muscle in order to monopolize one these terminals.
And you know everyone who does manage to be first at one of these is going to be expecting front row seats.
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and have you ever gone to walmart to ask for help in the electronics sections. crickets . . . and when you do get somebody, they don't know shit besides the fact they hate their job and "why are you talking to me?"
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and have you ever gone to walmart
Hell no.
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and have you ever gone to walmart
Hell no.
oh please . . . we all know your life consists of wiping down wet carts and saying, "welcome to walmart."
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/7500/Wal-Mart-Greeter--7959.jpg)
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Given the similar deal between Live Nation and Blockbuster, settled late last year, this might not
seem that special.
I didn't even know that Blockbuster had something in-store. Has anyone used it?
sweetcell - it's a ticket dispenser (walk up to a computer and generate tickets)?
Are fees reduced at all?
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and have you ever gone to walmart
Hell no.
oh please . . . we all know your life consists of wiping down wet carts and saying, "welcome to walmart."
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/7500/Wal-Mart-Greeter--7959.jpg)
LOL, no wonder Julie is mad on this board. Flashbacks of that Wal-Mart job got him buggin' out.
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at walmart, if you're not happy with a purchase you can return it and get a refund.
livenation is now like walmart. (http://www.livenation.com/ourguarantee)
both local LN venues (warner & the lube) are participating in the 3-day return offer.
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at walmart, if you're not happy with a purchase you can return it and get a refund.
livenation is now like walmart. (http://www.livenation.com/ourguarantee)
both local LN venues (warner & the lube) are participating in the 3-day return offer.
great idea . . . but stills smells like sign of the times. which smells like prince.
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I suspect that prince smells impecably good at all times... I fear that your analogy has broken down. But agreed, sign o' the times.
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This sounds like a gravy train for ticket brokers who over buy for shows and it allows LiveNation to re-sell tickets and collect service fees again...
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And I bet that the list of different fragrances that Prince has on hand to make him smell good at all times is longer than the JA thread.
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POTW @azaghal.
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peopleofwalmart.com
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https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8521538/live-nation-resale-market-secretly-recorded-phone-calls-concert-tickets
Unsurprising
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$25 Live Nation Ticket Week
May 8-14
Cheap seats to bands you don't want to see at venues you don't want to go to!
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So true
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JRAD
Dave Mason
John Fogerty
Pixies
Andy Summers
Santana
Pat Benatar
Janet Jackson
Tinariwen (!)
Stone Temple Pilots...
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Am I just just that old, or are "grassroots" music scene pretty dead (I guess outside of Rap or Jambands)?
Like, where/what are the underground music scenes? Did the internet's "democratization" of music just broaden and flatten the mainstream. Is it just the immediate DMV area? IMP and their venues have lots of cover shows and legacy acts, Black Cat seems on life support, DC9 is the only venue that I ever hear of with buzz. Slash Run seems happy to still be in business (their sister venue is all but on its second round of death throes). I look at The Fillmore SS and it's the most incoherent mishmash of acts playing and lots of weekend dates just empty. It's hard to find sources for independent reviews and opinions that aren't also out to make their authors/reviewers stars in and of themselves.
Is the pipeline just young kids on TikTok or YouTube (with nothing but free time, though with their video editing and crafting skills, can't hate too much) or the Disney machine straight to what's left of the mainstream charts or am I just old (it can be both)?
All I read about independent music is how touring is such a loss, releasing music is a loss, selling merch is a loss. I guess it would make sense to stay in your basement and just release minutes long videos and reaction content and hope that you can ride that wave into a side hustle of making music. I mean hey, Kate Hudson was able to ride a nominally successful 20+ year acting career into an album's worth of light, generic retro-pop. Maybe she'll be showing up at The Fillmore this fall.
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A friend has a kid in high school in a band and they just played 932 at MPP.
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What about Atlantis? Surprised you didn’t mention that….
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Am I just just that old, or are "grassroots" music scene pretty dead (I guess outside of Rap or Jambands)?
Like, where/what are the underground music scenes? Did the internet's "democratization" of music just broaden and flatten the mainstream. Is it just the immediate DMV area? IMP and their venues have lots of cover shows and legacy acts, Black Cat seems on life support, DC9 is the only venue that I ever hear of with buzz. Slash Run seems happy to still be in business (their sister venue is all but on its second round of death throes). I look at The Fillmore SS and it's the most incoherent mishmash of acts playing and lots of weekend dates just empty. It's hard to find sources for independent reviews and opinions that aren't also out to make their authors/reviewers stars in and of themselves.
Is the pipeline just young kids on TikTok or YouTube (with nothing but free time, though with their video editing and crafting skills, can't hate too much) or the Disney machine straight to what's left of the mainstream charts or am I just old (it can be both)?
All I read about independent music is how touring is such a loss, releasing music is a loss, selling merch is a loss. I guess it would make sense to stay in your basement and just release minutes long videos and reaction content and hope that you can ride that wave into a side hustle of making music. I mean hey, Kate Hudson was able to ride a nominally successful 20+ year acting career into an album's worth of light, generic retro-pop. Maybe she'll be showing up at The Fillmore this fall.
I do know there are a few hobo venues in DC, but you'd need to talk to Azaghal or Killsally about those deetz... but basically house shows or the handful of hobo shows is where I think you'd find anything local.
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What about Atlantis? Surprised you didn’t mention that….
I'm kind of counting it as part of 9:30. It's cool, saw YLT there. But it's one of those places that feels a step too sanitized.
Manufactured retro vibes with current ticket and drink prices.
Personally, I find it hard to figure out what the business plan of a venture like that is, connected directly to its parent venue.
Like does the business come down to literally the metrics of dollar amounts for each venue to be open and hosting what show each night?
Like is it worth even turning on the lights and running the HVAC at levels tolerable to humans for band-x beyond even staffing?
Also, not meant as a knock, but the Atlantis lineup kind of feels like IMP's answer to the acts playing at Fillmore.
Side rant: Remember when the shows pages would actually include info about the bands on the schedule to, I don't know, maybe entice possible uninitiated audiences? I enjoyed checking out the listings and seeing if any random bands' bios piques my interest.
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Ok you seem ridiculously cranky so good luck finding your answer!!
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Ok you seem ridiculously cranky so good luck finding your answer!!
Oh I am ridiculously cranky. It's probably just the back-to-back 12 hr. workdays. I really liked the vibe of Atlantis (and drinks everywhere are expensive, so eh). I do miss things like being able to peruse a venue's website and take in info of the bands on the schedule. I'm bummed, living in Hyattsville, that Rock n Roll Hotel shuttered, and The Runaway (Slash Run's sister restaurant) stopped doing live music and appears to be all but out of business. It was nice to have places a little closer travel-wise and with more (if sketchier) parking.
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Ok you seem ridiculously cranky so good luck finding your answer!!
Oh I am ridiculously cranky. It's probably just the back-to-back 12 hr. workdays. I really liked the vibe of Atlantis (and drinks everywhere are expensive, so eh). I do miss things like being able to peruse a venue's website and take in info of the bands on the schedule. I'm bummed, living in Hyattsville, that Rock n Roll Hotel shuttered, and The Runaway (Slash Run's sister restaurant) stopped doing live music and appears to be all but out of business. It was nice to have places a little closer travel-wise and with more (if sketchier) parking.
Rhizome is like 15 minutes from you!
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That is true and I do be forgetting about Rhizome.
I should have learned from the time that I forgot about Dre.
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I want to hear more about Jules stint at walmart, of course he'll respond with fake news!
DC unfortunately has really had a hard time with the 'local scene' As hutch said there are house shows and places like DC9, Pie Shop and a few other venues...but it's slim pickens
Atlantis is still really catering to the 'already signed to a label' bands. They may be up and comming, but they aren't from dc 99% of the time
Since I've lived in the area (93) DC really has had a mediocre local scene
I've wanted so much for DC to have a scene, but I do think it's hard for locals as just about every national tourning act stops by dc (I know I bitch about how often we get skipped, but that's more the exception than the rule) so local bands are competing with know bands or cover bands almost every night of the week
I go to Baltimore and Richmond and they have a thriving scene and great acts are coming out of them all the time
DC...so few acts over the last 30 years that really had any big impact other than hobo shows
people still talk about the dc scene like it's 1983
I should have learned from the time that I forgot about Dre.
Nowadays, everybody wanna talk like they got somethin' to say
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Aren’t Pie Shop, Quarry House Tavern and Comet Ping Pong considered grassroots venues?
This notion that there isn’t a DC scene means one isn’t looking hard enough
And I’m not expert on any of this, but there is exciting stuff happening
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Heck I just found out about a DIY venue in Boyds, MD called The Garage
And yes I had to look it up, it’s just north of Germantown
https://livefromthegaragev.wixsite.com/live-from-the-garage
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That is true and I do be forgetting about Rhizome.
I should have learned from the time that I forgot about Dre.
Funny you should mention him. The postal worker who provided excellent service for me recently told me she went to high school with the actor who played the good Dr. in Straight Outta Compton.
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Has anyone seen a show through Sofar Sounds? Its a weird proposition to me. They don't tell you the venue or the artist beforehand...
https://www.sofarsounds.com/cities/washington
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It’s a complicated issue….with lots of little pieces
In todays world were it’s arguably more expensive to live in DC than NYC the minute you are serious about music you are moving to Brooklyn. Or even Richmond or Baltimore. But bands been moving to NYC since Duke Ellington. It’s so close it’s very doable.
And it works both ways: all the NYC, Philly etc acts can easily play DC so DC acts maybe get crowded out. We are the opposite of say an Athens or Chapel Hill which were rather insular music scenes…our scene is so porous it can’t really develop an identity
Then there is the whole Dischord scene “overhang”…..I feel like for a good while in this area either you were a part of that scene or you were out. Not just with Ian and Disvhord but even his sister Amanda was managing bands I think (like the Apes?) and booking Ft Reno (??). And when the Dischord thing kind of died down it feels like nothing really replaced it. It’s hard to replace something that was so big…
Just spitballing
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That is true and I do be forgetting about Rhizome.
I should have learned from the time that I forgot about Dre.
Funny you should mention him. The postal worker who provided excellent service for me recently told me she went to high school with the actor who played the good Dr. in Straight Outta Compton.
How many Kevin Bacons is this?
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It’s a complicated issue….with lots of little pieces
In todays world were it’s arguably more expensive to live in DC than NYC the minute you are serious about music you are moving to Brooklyn. Or even Richmond or Baltimore. But bands been moving to NYC since Duke Ellington. It’s so close it’s very doable.
And it works both ways: all the NYC, Philly etc acts can easily play DC so DC acts maybe get crowded out. We are the opposite of say an Athens or Chapel Hill which were rather insular music scenes…our scene is so porous it can’t really develop an identity
Then there is the whole Dischord scene “overhang”…..I feel like for a good while in this area either you were a part of that scene or you were out. Not just with Ian and Disvhord but even his sister Amanda was managing bands I think (like the Apes?) and booking Ft Reno (??). And when the Dischord thing kind of died down it feels like nothing really replaced it. It’s hard to replace something that was so big…
Just spitballing
Tell that to my college roommate, whose tiny 1BR condo in Brooklyn is worth over a million.
The cost of living in Washington, DC is -18.0% lower than in Brooklyn, NY.
https://www.salary.com/research/cost-of-living/compare/brooklyn-ny/washington-dc#:~:text=The%20cost%20of%20living%20in%20Washington%2C%20DC%20is%20%2D18.0%25,your%20current%20standard%20of%20living.
Cost of Living Comparison Between New York, NY and Washington, DC. You would need around 8,149.5$ in Washington, DC to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 11,000.0$ in New York, NY (assuming you rent in both cities).
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&city1=New+York%2C+NY&country2=United+States&city2=Washington%2C+DC#:~:text=Cost%20of%20Living%20Comparison%20Between%20New%20York%2C%20NY%20and%20Washington,you%20rent%20in%20both%20cities).
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It’s not an absolute but I think it’s on a par and trending more expensive in DC.
Brooklyn is obviously an expensive place within NYC.
Anyway the point is there are a lot of advantages to NYC for developing a music career and DC which used to be much more affordable just isn’t. So what are the advantages to living in DC if interested in a music career?
What is exactly more costly wasn’t the most important point I was trying to make
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Throws hands up in air
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I mean NYC has record labels, studios, agents and a whole music infrastructure that DC does not?
And we rent out a junior one bedroom in Logan/Dupont for like $1800 a month. JUNIOR!!
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I think Seth should let all local bands swim in that secret swimming pool for one hour a year like they let the staff in Caddyshack. It just might fix everything.
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I mean there are local bands all the time. One of my favorites is Outer Body Llama and I have announced their shows here like 10 times and not once has anybody expressed interest by or expressed anything actually. They usually play three hour shows of original material with no cover and ten people show up.
If you want local bands you got to go see them. Just whining about the local scene sucking doesn’t do anything.
Maybe we need a local bands thread where people hype up local band shows?
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I think Seth should let all local bands swim in that secret swimming pool for one hour a year like they let the staff in Caddyshack. It just might fix everything.
I think when new order played last they shared a picture of themselves at the pool so wasn’t a secret to me….
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I think Seth should let all local bands swim in that secret swimming pool for one hour a year like they let the staff in Caddyshack. It just might fix everything.
I think when new order played last they shared a picture of themselves at the pool so wasn’t a secret to me….
Not really interested in the New Order pool pics, but do you think Maggie Rogers, Laufey, or Janelle Monae will be sharing their pool pics?
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I think it’s very unusual for anybody to share pool pics. In the case of new order I think it was just a pic of the pool.
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I think Seth should let all local bands swim in that secret swimming pool for one hour a year like they let the staff in Caddyshack. It just might fix everything.
I think when new order played last they shared a picture of themselves at the pool so wasn’t a secret to me….
Well it’s secret to most people. You obvious are a man who is “in the know.”
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The algorithms just delivered these extremely relevant links to my feed:
https://www.listenlocalfirst.com/
https://www.dcmusiccensus.org/
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I think Seth should let all local bands swim in that secret swimming pool for one hour a year like they let the staff in Caddyshack. It just might fix everything.
I think when new order played last they shared a picture of themselves at the pool so wasn’t a secret to me….
Not really interested in the New Order pool pics, but do you think Maggie Rogers, Laufey, or Janelle Monae will be sharing their pool pics?
new order are probably the kind of guys that wear black jeans to the beach and if they touch water, most likely swim in t shirts.
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Ha ha in 1980!!
Bernard is quite the sailor now…you wouldn’t think it though
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It’s just unfair to say Atlantis doesn’t have local acts playing. Maybe you are just not paying attention. This just popped up on my facebook
(https://i.ibb.co/VMYMQF2/IMG-2109.png) (https://ibb.co/ss9s6Ty)
And I will add that anything Ben Tufts is doing you should pay attention….if you really want to support local music and it’s not just lip service
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It’s just unfair to say Atlantis doesn’t have local acts playing. Maybe you are just not paying attention.
I dunno, I think that's the exception, can't say I've dug deep on everyone, but I'd say less that 5% of openers are local
although it's typical for openers at small clubs to be local, that's nothing new
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Ok fine… I opened Facebook and stumbled on an exception. What are the odds? Apparently 5%.
This charge which boils down to IMP prioritizing the bottom line over the community goes back decades…I remember hanging out with you at the black cat and hearing grousing about the 930 mixed in with some good old fashioned anti-semitism. That was close to 30 years ago. It’s all bunk. There are so many things IMP does for DC but you never hear about them. Success engenders jealousy. Heck even our friends Outer Body Llama got booked by IMP before they got banned cause the crowd got a bit crazy.
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I don’t see the old booking contact info on the 930 site. I will say that….i guess one could email human@930.com or call
Like if you are a local band hoping to play an IMP venue where do you go but I know two recent ish cases of local acts that played 930 …Sketchy Pete (DJ, was there) and I think a guy I knows local band played Atlantis…
Of course we saw Ex Hex at 930.
I would agree if you are just starting probably Atlantis ain’t going to work but as I posted yesterday I think there was a showcase for young acts at 932
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Did not have “out-of-left-field antisemitism allegations” on my 930.com bingo card for this week.
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Did not have “out-of-left-field antisemitism allegations” on my 930.com bingo card for this week.
Hey dude, it happened…. I heard it and it made an impression on me.
Not sure pretending it’s not there is a great play…not sure what makes it out of left field …it’s not uncommon for people to tie in maximizing profit as a bad thing with Jews wherever they can… goes back at least 500 years
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Not sure pretending it’s not there is a great play…
You’ll have to direct me to where I said anything about whether this thing (which I was obviously not present for) happened or not.
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Fair.
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Not sure pretending it’s not there is a great play…
You’ll have to direct me to where I said anything about whether this thing (which I was obviously not present for) happened or not.
Hutch is a historian on middle east relations.
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I think Seth should let all local bands swim in that secret swimming pool for one hour a year like they let the staff in Caddyshack. It just might fix everything.
I think when new order played last they shared a picture of themselves at the pool so wasn’t a secret to me….
Not really interested in the New Order pool pics, but do you think Maggie Rogers, Laufey, or Janelle Monae will be sharing their pool pics?
new order are probably the kind of guys that wear black jeans to the beach and if they touch water, most likely swim in t shirts.
I'm the type of guy who swims in a t-shirt. Maybe I should be in New Order.
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Not sure pretending it’s not there is a great play…
You’ll have to direct me to where I said anything about whether this thing (which I was obviously not present for) happened or not.
Hutch is a historian on middle east relations.
As you know I like to think so…but as a hobbyist I suppose as I stopped at the graduate level….
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I think Seth should let all local bands swim in that secret swimming pool for one hour a year like they let the staff in Caddyshack. It just might fix everything.
I think when new order played last they shared a picture of themselves at the pool so wasn’t a secret to me….
Not really interested in the New Order pool pics, but do you think Maggie Rogers, Laufey, or Janelle Monae will be sharing their pool pics?
new order are probably the kind of guys that wear black jeans to the beach and if they touch water, most likely swim in t shirts.
I'm the type of guy who swims in a t-shirt. Maybe I should be in New Order.
You look like a small b-cup guy... so probably a good idea to keep the shirt on.