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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Tonorro on June 26, 2006, 07:34:00 pm
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Did anyone notice how pleasant the air was during the Alejandro Escovedo show because smoking was not allowed? I did not have to throw all my clothes into the wash because they stunk. The next morning, I washed my hair using a normal amount of shampoo, not the double ration usually required after a typical show.
Can't we wish that all shows were like that?
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Jan 2007?
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Start we again the "right to smoke" vs. the "right not to smell smoke" debate.... I'm in the latter camp and hear your immense pain. Add to this: the clothes must be concealed or washed immediately, for they will stink up the whole house.
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Smoking isnt a right.
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just got back from the black cat. that place has the worst smoking problem. seems like EVERYONE smokes there.
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Just got back from Black Cat myself and I agree. Place is way to smokey. Other than the smoke, great show.
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I went to a concert the other night, people were smoking (not me) and it was a great show, nobody was whining about it or anything. Bitches.
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I get sick more times than not when I go to the Black Cat anymore. It seems like everyone feels the need to smoke there, and they have awful venelation.
I can't wait for the smoking ban. I'm pretty sure most people at bars don't smoke most of the time anyway, and wouldn't really miss it. I've never ever understood the whole "I only smoke when I drink" bullshit.
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Thank heavens for smokeless tobacco. A pinch of Kodiak between cheek and gum will keep you in flavor country for at least 20 mintes. And chicks seriously dig guys who chew. They say they don't, but they're just kidding.
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Originally posted by Alex:
I've never ever understood the whole "I only smoke when I drink" bullshit.
If you don't understand it, then you've little room to comment.
What, do you think people are lying just for the hell of it? Just to fuck with you? That's bullshit.
The ban is happening. The end. As a "social, alcohol-induced" smoker I'm probably looking forward to the ban as much as many (I'm sure I'll quit, which is great) -- imagine how much more bearable Black Cat will be!! But lay off the folks who will have big adjustments to make.
I have not had a cigarette that didn't follow at least 2 drinks in 6 or 7 years...Why would I make that shit up for you??
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here you guys go!!!
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Yeah, I don't really get the (on-going) obsession with the ban. As a lazy non-smoker who hates washing his clothes everytime I go to a show or a bar, I couldn't be happier about the ban.
But the ban did pass and is going into effect; why keep talking about it?
Originally posted by the sonick:
here you guys go!!!
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Originally posted by nkotb:
But the ban did pass and is going into effect; why keep talking about it?
the ban was made by people who love to bitch, supported by people who love to bitch and will be enjoyed by people who love to bitch.
you think they are going to stop bitching cause they got their way once?? nah!!!!
they'll bitch til new years eve about it!!!
i cant WAIT until we bitch about people eating food nearby too, cause i'd MUCH rather have a smoker near me at a show than some fat asshole with some nachos and chili fries stinkin up the joint.
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yeah, and what about the stink coming from people who are "too lazy to wash their clothes."
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Don't forget bitching about tall people who get there at a decent time so they can be near the front while the shorter people pile in at the last second and complain because they can't see.
2008 - Ban on people over 6 feet tall from attending ANY concert so nobody has to worry about not being able to see every inch of the stage.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Don't forget bitching about tall people who get there at a decent time so they can be near the front while the shorter people pile in at the last second and complain because they can't see.
2008 - Ban on people over 6 feet tall from attending ANY concert so nobody has to worry about not being able to see every inch of the stage.
HAHA!!! yes. DC would be the first place to do that too.
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
Smoking isnt a right.
then neither is going to a concert.
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Originally posted by the sonick:
the ban was made by people who love to bitch, supported by people who love to bitch and will be enjoyed by people who love to bitch.
well said ... the large majority of people could give a fuck either way about this thing, and i'd be interested to see how many of the ban supporters actually go to bars (not restaurants) after dinner-time
jon stewart recently said something great on the daily show recently (in an interview with washpost reporter juliet eilperin): "this country is run by extremists because moderates have shit to do"
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ain't it great people who prefer to go to smokefree shows are bitchy... the only bitching i see here are from people bitching about people who want to go to smoke free shows.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
jon stewart recently said something great on the daily show recently (in an interview with washpost reporter juliet eilperin): "this country is run by extremists because moderates have shit to do"
Was it great because you said so, or was it really great?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
jon stewart recently said something great on the daily show recently (in an interview with washpost reporter juliet eilperin): "this country is run by extremists because moderates have shit to do"
Actually, it's because most moderates are apathetic.
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Whoever owns the building should be able to decide the policies governing what happens inside so long as those acivities are within the law. And last time I checked, smoking was legal.
That said, I won't be crying when the ban goes into effect, seeing as I don't smoke cigarettes. Sometimes it bugs me a bit at shows, but not to the point of incessant bitching.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
jon stewart recently said something great on the daily show recently (in an interview with washpost reporter juliet eilperin): "this country is run by extremists because moderates have shit to do"
Actually, it's because most moderates are apathetic. [/b]
Aww...
Go Fauquier yourself.
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/06/27/involuntary.smoking.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/06/27/involuntary.smoking.ap/index.html)
'Nuff said.
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Originally posted by V.Vishnu A.Harry Chestwig:
Was it great because you said so, or was it really great?
because i said so, did i infer otherwise?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
ain't it great people who prefer to go to smokefree shows are bitchy... the only bitching i see here are from people bitching about people who want to go to smoke free shows.
then you didnt read all of the posts Kosmo.
seems like anarchist, jeffml and Alex's posts were bitching about smoking.
who was bitching about non smokers bitching?
not me, cause i dont hang out in DC!! except i WILL be irritated when hockey season rolls around and i wont be able to smoke in the Dewars bar at Verizon. its a shame cause i think its the only reason people go all the over to that bar. its gonna be empty come January!
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Originally posted by the sonick:
except i WILL be irritated when hockey season rolls around and i wont be able to smoke in the Dewars bar at Verizon. its a shame cause i think its the only reason people go all the over to that bar. its gonna be empty come January!
that place is like a airport smoking lounge, the ONLY reason anyone goes there is to smoke
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will smoke machines be banned?
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No, I do understand. I understand that it's stupid for someone to not smoke all day, and then suddenly lose all self-control at night when they drink at a bar and feel the need to smoke with their drinks. It's pointless, and adds to the already horrible air at the Black Cat.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Alex:
I've never ever understood the whole "I only smoke when I drink" bullshit.
If you don't understand it, then you've little room to comment.
What, do you think people are lying just for the hell of it? Just to fuck with you? That's bullshit.
The ban is happening. The end. As a "social, alcohol-induced" smoker I'm probably looking forward to the ban as much as many (I'm sure I'll quit, which is great) -- imagine how much more bearable Black Cat will be!! But lay off the folks who will have big adjustments to make.
I have not had a cigarette that didn't follow at least 2 drinks in 6 or 7 years...Why would I make that shit up for you?? [/b]
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I think my only real problem with smoking in a club like 930 is when you're smoking on the floor with a person next to you with really long hair and the cigarette is getting way too close. I don't know how many times my daughter has told me that story. If they could just say no smoking on a sold out floor, just for cautionary reasons, then that would be good enough. I mean, it is a club. I am more afraid of the burning hair aspect than the secondary smoke thing. I don't know which is worse, cigarette smoke or B.O.
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Originally posted by Alex:
No, I do understand. I understand that it's stupid for someone to not smoke all day, and then suddenly lose all self-control at night when they drink at a bar and feel the need to smoke with their drinks. It's pointless, and adds to the already horrible air at the Black Cat.
why is smoking or not smoking always about self-control. i dont drink all day but when i go out, i like to enjoy a beer. but i wouldnt say i "lost all self control" when i got to the bar.
you know, not everyone who smokes is a chain smoker who "needs his fix" and cant live without them.
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Originally posted by nanjw:
If they could just say no smoking on a sold out floor, just for cautionary reasons, then that would be good enough.
it will never be good enough
soon people will complain that the groups of people standing on the sidewalk outside of bars are disrupting pedestrian traffic.
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no one should be bitching either way. look. people are going to smoke at shows (until the ban begins, at least). it's a pain in the ass for those that don't smoke and hate the smell/worry about secondhand inhalation risks/don't appreciate washing their hair four times before they smell normal again. but by going to a place like the Black Cat, it is to be expected. you can't go to a bar thinking that NO ONE is going to be smoking. and if it's to the point where it's something worthy of bitching that much over, then stop going.
the only time you should be complaining is if someone is overly obnoxious and blows smoke in your face trying to look trendy. otherwise, it's just to be expected, and deal with it until the ban.
the end.
fin.
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Can we ban cell phones in public places too. The obnoxious tools that yak on their cell phones everywhere, all the time, about nothing in particular are annoying as hell.
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Blah blah blah.
Smokers, you've had your rights for thousands of years. Now it's our turn, you little fuckers. Your nasty little habit belongs back in the time before they had indoor plumbing, or cures for venereal diseases. You want to smoke? Take a time travel vehicle back to a shittier time and live there, out of our cleaner, healthier, better world.
Next up, anti-obesity laws. Let's get rid high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oils the way they're getting rid of cigarettes.
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Originally posted by Stanger:
Can we ban cell phones in public places too. The obnoxious tools that yak on their cell phones everywhere, all the time, about nothing in particular are annoying as hell.
I couldn't agree more.
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You sound like you would be a barrel of laughs to be around.
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Blah blah blah.
Smokers, you've had your rights for thousands of years. Now it's our turn, you little fuckers. Your nasty little habit belongs back in the time before they had indoor plumbing, or cures for venereal diseases. You want to smoke? Take a time travel vehicle back to a shittier time and live there, out of our cleaner, healthier, better world.
Next up, anti-obesity laws. Let's get rid high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oils the way they're getting rid of cigarettes.
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if you could stand the smell.
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quote:
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Originally posted by Stanger:
Can we ban cell phones in public places too. The obnoxious tools that yak on their cell phones everywhere, all the time, about nothing in particular are annoying as hell.
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I couldn't agree more.
i could agree more and will. there really needs to be a nationwide cell phone etiquette class administered in a hurry.
it can't be proven, but there are these smoking bans because people/smokers go and smoke their fucking faces off, particularly at concerts. i mean really, going out for some drinks and smoking 20-40 cigarettes??? if it were somewhat socially moderated you probably wouldn't have all of these whiners.
for the record, it doesn't bother me at all, but some people really can't take it and they might be pussies and all, but when their eyes are watering b/c a place looks and feels like a walk-in ashtray it's probably a bit much.
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if you can't stand smoking, don't go to the show. simple as that. it pisses me off ot no end when the government makes these kinds of regulations. if a private club, like the 9:30 club, wants to ban smoking, thats fine, but when the government enforces a smoking ban, it is fascism in my mind.
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Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
but when the government enforces a smoking ban, it is fascism in my mind.
Facism, except that the fine folks of DC elected the city council that voted for the ban.
Other than that, yes, it was Facism.
How 'bout if you need to smoke so badly, you go outside and enjoy your fag? Why should I have to suffer through your addictive habit?
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That's why I prefer albums to concerts. No puppets.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
jon stewart recently said something great on the daily show recently (in an interview with washpost reporter juliet eilperin): "this country is run by extremists because moderates have shit to do"
Actually, it's because most moderates are apathetic. [/b]
i'd say that "political apathy" and "shit to do" kind of go hand-in-hand ... additionally, i'd argue that moderates aren't necessarily "apathetic", but merely that they have a broader interest base and don't fixate on pet topics
there are lots of examples of this ... "common-sense" gun safety measures (not banning all guns, just simple stuff like chamber load indicators and magazine disconnect safeties) are supported by more than 80% of people surveyed, but these people generally don't make gun safety a priority in whatever political advocacy they do ... on the other hand, the 10% or so of the population who are highly motivated about "2nd amendment rights" (and related corporate interests) make this issue their #1 priority and specifically advocate on the topic ... i wonder who wins out in the end?
the same logic holds true with a whole host of public policy concerns
it doesn't necessarily mean that moderates are apathetic (although some certainly are), but really just that they don't put all their political weight behind one or two issues
our political system is set up -- fairly or not -- to reward those who make singular issues like "gun rights" or public smoking bans a priority in voting and political advocacy
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Originally posted by vansmack:
How 'bout if you need to smoke so badly, you go outside and enjoy your fag? Why should I have to suffer through your addictive habit?
how come every time someone disagrees with these smoking bans, people think its because they cant stand to be without a cigarette.
one of the biggest times i wish i didnt smoke (and there's only few, for i like smoking!) is now, because i dont mind not smoking at a show or more like, not going to a show i cant smoke at, but i DO mind people losing that right, or more like, business owners losing the right to allow smoking.
so these places cannot even have a smoking section or a smoking room in their bar/club/venue. its just a rip=off, i am highly against it, and its just NOT because i happen to smoke.
but then again, i live in baltimore where you HAVE to smoke! :) so all this is really not affecting me :)
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Since when have you ever been on here other than during the smoking debate championing the business owners, you fucking commie Canadian?
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Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Since when have you ever been on here other than during the smoking debate championing the business owners, you fucking commie Canadian?
SOCIALIST. thankyou.
(do you really think i have 6800 some posts just on smoking debates?)
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All the sarcastic comparisons here make no sense. Let's ban bad food or cell phones or alcohol or tall people. You fail miserably in trying to make a point when you say that things that "annoy" you at a concert are in any way close to things that are bad for your health. By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke. Oh and the argument that if you don't like it then don't attend shows is just plain ignorant. That being said, I am not in favor of the ban, but that is for purely selfish reasons.
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
All the sarcastic comparisons here make no sense. Let's ban bad food or cell phones or alcohol or tall people. You fail miserably in trying to make a point when you say that things that "annoy" you at a concert are in any way close to things that are bad for your health. By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke. Oh and the argument that if you don't like it then don't attend shows is just plain ignorant. That being said, I am not in favor of the ban, but that for purely selfish reasons. [/QB]
Well, if we're talking about our health, then surely the volume levels coming out of those mammoth speakers are not good for our ears, therefore causing hearing loss. Or maybe causing headaches which would unable us to get up out of bed the next morning or any morning. Maybe we should just get rid of the speakers and microphones all together.
And lets halt alcohol sales because lord forbid we get liver diseases due to alcohol consumption at the bar. Even if you don't drink, the drunk person beside you might accidently trip and lose control of his/her beer, have it fly through the air and drops of alcohol fall into your mouth as the bottle falls to the ground.
Ok....That was fun.
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.
you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.
and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants. but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat
k?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Shadrach:
All the sarcastic comparisons here make no sense. Let's ban bad food or cell phones or alcohol or tall people. You fail miserably in trying to make a point when you say that things that "annoy" you at a concert are in any way close to things that are bad for your health. By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke. Oh and the argument that if you don't like it then don't attend shows is just plain ignorant. That being said, I am not in favor of the ban, but that for purely selfish reasons. [/b]
Well, if we're talking about our health, then surely the volume levels coming out of those mammoth speakers are not good for our ears, therefore causing hearing loss. Or maybe causing headaches which would unable us to get up out of bed the next morning or any morning. Maybe we should just get rid of the speakers and microphones all together.
And lets halt alcohol sales because lord forbid we get liver diseases due to alcohol consumption at the bar. Even if you don't drink, the drunk person beside you might accidently trip and lose control of his/her beer, have it fly through the air and drops of alcohol fall into your mouth as the bottle falls to the ground.
Ok....That was fun. [/QB]
You just proved my point perfectly.
Ear plugs are available so you can choose between protecting your ears or possibly doing damage. And alcohol intake from other people does not directly have any effect on those that choose not to partake.
All sarcasm aside smoking is the last socially acceptable behavior that does harm to those around you. Smoking bans have already taken places in NY, Los Angeles and other major cities. It was only a matter of time before one passed here.
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What was your PHD or MD specialization?
Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by Shadrach:
By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.
you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.
and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants. but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat
k? [/b]
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
Ear plugs are available so you can choose between protecting your ears or possibly doing damage. [/QB]
My ears are still ringing from last week's Ministry/RevCo concert.
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Don't overlook the fact that heavy bass can cause a spontaneous pneumothorax.
http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,64829,00.html (http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,64829,00.html)
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
Smoking bans have already taken places in NY, Los Angeles and other major cities.
Just for the sake of clarification, smoking was banned in enclosed public places in the ENTIRE state of California over 8 years ago, not just LA and San Francisco. You're all welcome...
And it's not even an issue any longer. I haven't heard an argument in opposition of the smoking ban since about March of 1998 out here.
Smokers get over it. You are welcome in any bar or club, but your cigarette is not. The people have spoken. This is a democracy and this is the result. If you don't like it, move to a military junta and smoke all you want.
Ah, the price of freedom.
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California, Ã?ber Alles!!!! (http://www.thebejeweledgreenbottle.com/various/Dead%20Kennedys%20-%20California%20Uber%20Alles.mp3)
Originally posted by vansmack:
Just for the sake of clarification, smoking was banned in enclosed public places in the ENTIRE state of California over 8 years ago, not just LA and San Francisco. You're all welcome...
And it's not even an issue any longer. I haven't heard an argument in opposition of the smoking ban since about March of 1998 out here.
Smokers get over it. You are welcome in any bar or club, but your cigarette is not. The people have spoken. This is a democracy and this is the result. If you don't like it, move to a military junta and smoke all you want.
Ah, the price of freedom.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If you don't like it, move to a military junta and smoke all you want.
or baltimore.
<img src="http://www.michaelromanos.com/pictures/stock_photos/denis_leary.jpg" alt=" - " />
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I think we should consider a ban on all Smoking Ban threads.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
California, Ã?ber Alles!!!!
We were forced to take that off the flag as a sign of unity when we entered the Union. Nice of the DK's to not forget.
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Apparenly smoking causes double chins on young guys?
Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by vansmack:
If you don't like it, move to a military junta and smoke all you want.
or baltimore.
<img src="http://www.michaelromanos.com/pictures/stock_photos/denis_leary.jpg" alt=" - " /> [/b]
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How about next time I drink a beer I piss all over the smoker standing next to me? I am drinking a beer for pleasure, and pissing out what my body doesn't need their enjoyment. Then they too can smell like crap and maybe can finally appreciate why so many of us music lovers appreciate a smoke free environment. Smokers crack me up. Why should I respect anyone stupid enough to fill their lungs with toxic piss? Slaves. Nothing but weak slaves.
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i think many of you are missing the point. I hate smoking (cigarettes that is ;) ) but what i hate even more is the government controlling our lives. If you have a problem with smoking in clubs, talk directly with the club and let the club make a ban on smoking. don't whine to the government. if the club doesn't think its worthwhile to ban smoking, then don't go. You have no right to a smoke-free environment at a private business. You have a choice, you are not forced to go to these clubs.
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Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
i think many of you are missing the point. I hate smoking (cigarettes that is ;) ) but what i hate even more is the government controlling our lives. If you have a problem with smoking in clubs, talk directly with the club and let the club make a ban on smoking. don't whine to the government. if the club doesn't think its worthwhile to ban smoking, then don't go. You have no right to a smoke-free environment at a private business. You have a choice, you are not forced to go to these clubs.
I'm glad you weren't in charge during the Civil Rights era.
Have you met fellow boardie Venerable Bede?
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Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
i think many of you are missing the point. I hate smoking (cigarettes that is ;) ) but what i hate even more is the government controlling our lives. If you have a problem with smoking in clubs, talk directly with the club and let the club make a ban on smoking. don't whine to the government. if the club doesn't think its worthwhile to ban smoking, then don't go. You have no right to a smoke-free environment at a private business. You have a choice, you are not forced to go to these clubs.
Um, isn't going to the government and asking for the people to vote on something what democracy is all about? We all have a voice and in this situation the non-smokers spoke loudest.
I guess with your logic each individual business has the right to say what happens in their establishment, like say no women allowed or perhaps no black people or maybe black people can come in, but they can't sit in the same room with white folks?
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Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by Shadrach:
By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.
you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.
and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants. but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat
k? [/b]
that's a load of crap. at least half the people on these boards are those of us that go to shows once, twice, three times a week...even doing that stuff once, twice, three times a month...yeah, it's going to have an effect. i've never smoked a cigarette in my entire life, but i bet you that by the time i am 20 my lungs are not going to be in tip top shape. i'm obviously not going to be as well off as i would have been never smoking at all and never going to a concert at all. but it's an accociated risk with a choice i make. i like live music enough where the smoke is just going to be an inconvenience. i don't understand why everyone is flipping out so much.
when they ban it, it's going to be just as easy to walk outside and have a cigarette or to smoke before and after the show. i don't think there are any clear losers or winners here. and i don't think it's a matter of "civil rights" when it is proven to directly affect the health of others. it's not like the entire race of African Americans or every woman out there decided to blow carcinogens into the lungs of others. you've got apples and oranges here.
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
Um, isn't going to the government and asking for the people to vote on something what democracy is all about? We all have a voice and in this situation the non-smokers spoke loudest.
I guess with your logic each individual business has the right to say what happens in their establishment, like say no women allowed or perhaps no black people or maybe black people can come in, but they can't sit in the same room with white folks?
racism and sexism is a completely different issue. in my mind, smoking isn't something that the government has a right to control in private establishments. end of story. plus, you gotta think, whats next? a ban on eating meat? a ban on SUV's? I can't even walk outside my house without a breath full of hydrocarbons, maybe a ban on all cars?
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I guarantee, that when Drive-By Truckers perform, they will have lit cigarettes dangling from their mouths- or they won't play! And when management let's them- the hypocrisy starts!
I won't be present at the club because of the non-smoking policy. I hope DBT cancels, too. Anyone going to tell Ronnie Woods or Keith that they can't smoke at Stones concerts? I'm so tired of this 2nd-hand smoke propaganda!
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Originally posted by Oriole33:
I won't be present at the club because of the non-smoking policy.
We'll miss you.
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WASHINGTON - Breathing any amount of someone else's tobacco smoke harms nonsmokers, the surgeon general declared Tuesday â?? a strong condemnation of secondhand smoke that is sure to fuel nationwide efforts to ban smoking in public.
"The debate is over. The science is clear: Secondhand smoke is not a mere annoyance, but a serious health hazard," said U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
WASHINGTON - Breathing any amount of someone else's tobacco smoke harms nonsmokers, the surgeon general declared Tuesday â?? a strong condemnation of secondhand smoke that is sure to fuel nationwide efforts to ban smoking in public.
"The debate is over. The science is clear: Secondhand smoke is not a mere annoyance, but a serious health hazard," said U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona.
Only God knows the real answer, if anyone cares, just ask him when you die.
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its good to be the majority i suppose.
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Is Ronnie Woods related to Tiger Woods?
Maybe someone should have told EARL Woods not to smoke.
Originally posted by Oriole33:
I guarantee, that when Drive-By Truckers perform, they will have lit cigarettes dangling from their mouths- or they won't play! And when management let's them- the hypocrisy starts!
I won't be present at the club because of the non-smoking policy. I hope DBT cancels, too. Anyone going to tell Ronnie Woods or Keith that they can't smoke at Stones concerts? I'm so tired of this 2nd-hand smoke propaganda!
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I guarantee, that when Drive-By Truckers perform, they will have lit cigarettes dangling from their mouths- or they won't play!
Marah were smoking like trains sat night despite it being a no smoking show....
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I have to change my mind about smoking in clubs. Oh my gosh, last night was horrible. Sorry to all the smokers, but I swear, there was no A/C blowing and there was just way too much cigarette smoke. My daughters and I had to leave because not only was it blistering hot, but we couldn't breathe. I don't think it's ever been like that, even for a sold out show. Panic was enough to make you stop breathing anyway, we should have sold the tickets to the begging kids, but we ended up wanting to see The Hush Sound. They were great.
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Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by Shadrach:
By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.
you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.
and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants. but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat
k? [/b]
Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by Shadrach:
By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.
you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.
and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants. but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat
k? [/b]
Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right. [/b]
Believe me, I understand your frustration with what he's saying, but no, not the same thing at all.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right.
you wouldnt have the balls.
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And what's the deal with those ticket service charges?!?!
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Originally posted by the sonick:
you wouldnt have the balls. [/QB]
I'd have to agree with you....all talk.
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Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right.
you wouldnt have the balls. [/b]
What an interesting thing to say about someone you know nothing about.
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I tried smoking Ban back in teh seventies. But smoking Secret was more potent. Secret: strong enough for a man-bitch, but made for some pussy.
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I also tried smoking BANana peels.
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ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, Ill., June 28 /PRNewswire/ -- The U.S. government's top doctor says the debate is over, second hand smoke is not a mere annoyance but a serious health hazard that leads to disease and premature death in children and non-smoking adults. "Second hand smoke kills people," stated Surgeon General Richard Carmona, citing a report issued this week.
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Well, then, maybe you think it is fascist that can't pee in the concert hall either? You to have to go to the men's room.
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Obviously, my previous post was meant for Screaming Eagle, not for anarchist
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Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right.
you wouldnt have the balls. [/b]
Oh but youre so wrong, he does have them. I'll come down from NY and hang out with you, Relaxer, the night this is going to happen :)
and btw, new yorkers are doing just fine without smoking. They all smoke outside, everywhere on the street, just not in the damn club. And yes, plenty of musicians get on stage and smoke to their hearts content. I don't think I've ever seen anyone flip out about it. And some of them even ask for cigs from the audience :)
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right.
you wouldnt have the balls. [/b]
Oh but youre so wrong, he does have them. I'll come down from NY and hang out with you, Relaxer, the night this is going to happen :)
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sorry to disappoint, but it wont happen, first of all, i dont smoke at sold out shows, unless i am in the hallway or something.
and also i dont really go to DC much and i bet Relaxer never comes to Baltimore. :)
and as i have said previously, i am not against the no smoking part of the bans, I am in non smoking cities often and i do as everyone else does, just goes outside. no biggie for me either, but it seems like they could have some smoking bars and some non smoking bars, i dont see why it ALL has to be one way or the other, thats all.
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Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Originally posted by the sonick:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right.
you wouldnt have the balls. [/b]
Oh but youre so wrong, he does have them. I'll come down from NY and hang out with you, Relaxer, the night this is going to happen :)
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sorry to disappoint, but it wont happen, first of all, i dont smoke at sold out shows, unless i am in the hallway or something.
and also i dont really go to DC much and i bet Relaxer never comes to Baltimore. :)
and as i have said previously, i am not against the no smoking part of the bans, I am in non smoking cities often and i do as everyone else does, just goes outside. no biggie for me either, but it seems like they could have some smoking bars and some non smoking bars, i dont see why it ALL has to be one way or the other, thats all. [/b]
damn now i have no reason to go to DC :D ok, well thats not true i might be doing some evicting. maybe relaxer can help me with that. sadly, i dont care about the ban one way or another. i lived in Cali with the smoking ban, now in NYC, and was in DC. and hang out with lots of smokers. at the rate im going ill be deaf before i have lung cancer.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Oh but youre so wrong, he does have them. I'll come down from NY and hang out with you, Relaxer, the night this is going to happen :)
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And I will come out and hang with Sonick when this all happens, kind of even the odds a little.
But of course, as stated after your post, this will not happen. Too bad. :(
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Originally posted by the sonick:
sorry to disappoint, but it wont happen, first of all, i dont smoke at sold out shows, unless i am in the hallway or something.
As someone who sometimes becomes violently ill from being around too much cigarette smoke, I deeply thank you for your consideration.
The last time that I was at the 9:30 Club, I felt like I was being smoked at the stake since about 4 strangers were standing all around me chain smoking all night. The next morning, I puked my guts up for hours on end because of the 2nd hand smoke. It wasn't the alcohol because I only had 1 beer and that was before the show. This is not the first time that I've been in a room full of smokers and ended up with a horrid cigarette hangover the next morning.
Obviously, I wish that all bars and clubs, especially music venues, were non-smoking. In fact, there were many, many times when I did not go to some show or some club because I just couldn't expose myself to that nasty, unsafe air. I've known many other people to do the same. Rather interesting that our money never seems to be considered in this debate. At least by the pro-smokers' camp who are usually the first to bring up the money side.
Delaware is also a non-smoking state.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Delaware is also a non-smoking state.
and the most anti-consumer pro-corporate state in the nation ... i'll take smoking over that bullshit anyday
and i like what sonick said, why does every last bar have to be non-smoking, why can't they ban smoking outright in restaurants, and come up with some kind of ratio of smoking bars to non-smoking bars, sell a certain amount of licenses to the smoking bars, and let the smokers and non-smokers figure it out? i think equating this kind of gov't regulation to the civil rights movement and 14th Amendment issues is pretty disingenous.
i'm sure most of the people hanging out in dan's cafe on a normal weekend night could give a fuck about second-hand smoke, so why not let a bar like that keep their smoking policy
just looking at this from an economic perspective, why haven't all bars and clubs gone non-smoking on their own if there is such a huge public outcry for a complete and outright ban on smoking in all bars? this question keeps being brought up and summarily shot down in these kind of debates, but i've never heard it really addressed
everyone's opinion on this topic seems to be completely self-serving and not looking at compromises or the broader picture, a truly great way to conduct public policy
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
Delaware is also a non-smoking state.
and the most anti-consumer pro-corporate state in the nation ... i'll take smoking over that bullshit anyday[/b]
Give me bullshit or give me death because that's what the cigarette pollution causes!
Having certain bars or separate areas in some bars, etc., that are closed off and away from the main event is one thing. But to force a non-smoker to be subjected to someone else's filthy habit is down right unfair! Regarding concerts, everyone is (supposedly) there for the show. NOT the smoking. If one MUST have a cigarette, then it should be on the smoker to have leave the area to tend to their habit. The non-smoker should not have to be the one to miss out on any of the show because of others' inconsiderate choices.
The EPA can require pollution controls on businesses, cars and other polluters of air. Why not on human smoke stacks? After all, this does not just affect others' enjoyment but also their health!
Hoya, I'll remember the next time that cigarette smoke makes me vomit, to hold it long enough to find you and your shoes. Let's see how you feel.
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I guess you can name the Black Cat and/or the 930 Club as defendants in a lawsuit if you develop lung cancer as a result of years of going to these clubs that permit smoking :)
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I can't believe I'm wading into this mess...
The point alot of people seem to be missing is that the main (legal) reason for banning smoking is NOT to protect the health of the people that choose to go there, but to protect the health of the workers. It's mainly an enforcement of OSHA regulations.
In California, if you don't employ anyone, then you can allow smoking in your establishment. I was in SF last winter hung out at a small neighbourhood bar that was only staffed by people that had bought into the bar. Technically, they were all part owners so patrons could smoke there.
I'm not sure if that loophole exists here.
I know that people are going to argue that workers choose to work in places like the 930, etc. That argument is flawed on so many levels, but I'll let someone else take up that torch.
And as already stated, the ban will go into effect in a few months regardless of any complaining. Smokers - puff away while you can. Nonsmokers - hang in there for six more months.
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at five guys, they sell peanuts and have warning signs to people who are allergic. should the government make a peanut ban so that people with peanut allergies can be served at five guys? i would hope that most people find this rediculous, because most five guys patrons are not allergic to peanuts. If most of their clientelle were allergic, five guys wouldnt serve peanuts. Why can't smoking be like this? If most people don't like smoking, then ban smoking at a particular place. I don't have a problem with clubs banning smoking, i have a problem with the government banning smoking. if a club is worried about its workers and possible lawsuits that could bite them in the ass, then they can ban smoking. i still fail to see where the government should get involved.
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Man, Five Guys makes some good burgers! I wish they served milk shakes
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Personally, I don't care either way; I'd love to not smell like smoke, but it certainly wouldn't stop me from going to a bar or seeing a show.
But comparing a peanut allergy to smoking is absurd. If I CHOOSE to eat something with peanuts in it, knowing I'm allergic, it's my choice. When non-smokers are breathing in smoke, it's not my choice; it's the choice of the smoker.
You're putting the choice out of the hands of people that may be affected, and I think that's what it all boils down to. If I were in the home of a smoker, that's one thing, but a public place it a completely different beast altogether.
Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
at five guys, they sell peanuts and have warning signs to people who are allergic. should the government make a peanut ban so that people with peanut allergies can be served at five guys? i would hope that most people find this rediculous, because most five guys patrons are not allergic to peanuts. If most of their clientelle were allergic, five guys wouldnt serve peanuts. Why can't smoking be like this? If most people don't like smoking, then ban smoking at a particular place. I don't have a problem with clubs banning smoking, i have a problem with the government banning smoking. if a club is worried about its workers and possible lawsuits that could bite them in the ass, then they can ban smoking. i still fail to see where the government should get involved.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
i'm sure most of the people hanging out in dan's cafe on a normal weekend night could give a fuck about second-hand smoke, so why not let a bar like that keep their smoking policy
just looking at this from an economic perspective, why haven't all bars and clubs gone non-smoking on their own if there is such a huge public outcry for a complete and outright ban on smoking in all bars?
two excellent points and since this smoking ban thing IS a civil rights violation, these issues will never be addressed.
heres another one, if smoking is so fucking bad for everyone, WHY NOT MAKE THEM ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!
if i cant buy em at a store, trust me, i wont smoke em. and then, i wont smoke em at concerts, and if people do, it will be like pot smoke and you'll maybe get a waft every now and again.
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Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
at five guys, they sell peanuts and have warning signs to people who are allergic. should the government make a peanut ban so that people with peanut allergies can be served at five guys? i would hope that most people find this rediculous, because most five guys patrons are not allergic to peanuts. If most of their clientelle were allergic, five guys wouldnt serve peanuts. Why can't smoking be like this? If most people don't like smoking, then ban smoking at a particular place. I don't have a problem with clubs banning smoking, i have a problem with the government banning smoking. if a club is worried about its workers and possible lawsuits that could bite them in the ass, then they can ban smoking. i still fail to see where the government should get involved.
like steroids in baseball.
welcome to the new republican age of big government!!!!
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
I can't believe I'm wading into this mess...
The point alot of people seem to be missing is that the main (legal) reason for banning smoking is NOT to protect the health of the people that choose to go there, but to protect the health of the workers. It's mainly an enforcement of OSHA regulations.
In California, if you don't employ anyone, then you can allow smoking in your establishment. I was in SF last winter hung out at a small neighbourhood bar that was only staffed by people that had bought into the bar. Technically, they were all part owners so patrons could smoke there.
I'm not sure if that loophole exists here.
I know that people are going to argue that workers choose to work in places like the 930, etc. That argument is flawed on so many levels, but I'll let someone else take up that torch.
And as already stated, the ban will go into effect in a few months regardless of any complaining. Smokers - puff away while you can. Nonsmokers - hang in there for six more months.
ding ding
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Cell phones in cars are next.
Talking on Cell Phones More Dangerous than Driving Drunk (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13621877/?GT1=8211)
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its in the constitution that you can drive and talk on the phone at once. or the bill of rights at least
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Cell phones in cars are next.
Talking on Cell Phones More Dangerous than Driving Drunk (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13621877/?GT1=8211)
good point, some asshole on his phone almost kills me nearly every time i drive on this nations interstates (which thankfully has come down to about once a month!)
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as an oncology nurse, I see people dying every week from lung cancer. you should see them gasp for air on their last days on earth. nothing is worse than watching a smoker die, air-starved. so for all of you who continue to smoke and not mind inhaling other people's smoke, I'll take care of you after your lung surgery when you have multiple chest tubes and can't live without your oxygen tank. smoking doesn't even get you high. you might as well take up heroin. it is better for you and knocks you out.
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Originally posted by sisterorbit:
nothing is worse than watching a smoker die, air-starved. [/QB]
I bet being the smoker dying is worse.
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Originally posted by sisterorbit:
as an oncology nurse, I see people dying every week from lung cancer. you should see them gasp for air on their last days on earth. nothing is worse than watching a smoker die, air-starved. so for all of you who continue to smoke and not mind inhaling other people's smoke, I'll take care of you after your lung surgery when you have multiple chest tubes and can't live without your oxygen tank. smoking doesn't even get you high. you might as well take up heroin. it is better for you and knocks you out.
great first post sister....you can go to the 930 forum hall of fame
or not.
thanks for advocating heroin though...you obviously passed medical school with flying colors....or dont nurses have to go to med school?
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Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
at five guys, they sell peanuts and have warning signs to people who are allergic. should the government make a peanut ban so that people with peanut allergies can be served at five guys? i would hope that most people find this rediculous,
Oh, how quickly we forget that the DOT was very close in 1998 to banning peanuts on airplanes, instead coming up with a silly 3 seat rule, which could never be enforced. Instead, some airlines have voluntarily stopped serving peanuts. It's just a matter of time before peanuts will be banned in closed places.
In addition, Canada is looking to find out how much it would hurt their parks system if they stopped serving peanut candies in their vending machines because emergency response teams can't get there fast enough when one discovers their peanut allergy.
Silly example my friend.
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trying to not get involved. . must stop. . .
thankfully for all here, i've been in an energy policy act of 2005 training course the past 2 days and am all debated out. . .stupid state regulators who have no idea how ferc works. . .errr, wait a minute.
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I'm surprised no body has pointed out the obvious that smoking has been banned in movie theaters for decades and is anyone complaining? Originally put in because of safe concerns, I suspect if the ban was lifted today due to advanced fire prevention technology in place that most theater owners would maintain the policy voluntarily so as not to lose anymore customers.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
I'm surprised no body has pointed out the obvious that smoking has been banned in movie theaters for decades and is anyone complaining?
my girlfriend complains!!!
and you cant smoke on airplanes. (she complains about that too!)
and i think the point here is that you can take away peoples freedoms, but as long as you do it a little at a time, they wont make such a big deal about it. :)
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Originally posted by the sonick:
and you cant smoke on airplanes. (she complains about that too!)
Here you go sucka's. Prove your metal:
Smokers-only airline set to grace airways
12 July 2006
By MICHAEL SHMITH
New Zealand
If you believe in vampires, black fairies, Darth Vader and Voldemort, then this is for you.
A new airline for smokers only is scheduled to make its first flights in March 2007.
Smintair (Smokers' International Airways) has been founded by a German businessman, Alexander W. Schoppmann, in the hope of attracting the Asian business market as well as pro-smoking Europeans. Smintair plans to fly jumbo jets with 30 first-class and 108 business-class seats equipped with televisions, DVDs, gourmet food and "charming and beautiful" flight attendants. And ashtrays, of course.
Smintair may be just the answer to those poor, grey-faced folk you see rushing out of airport terminals, drawing the packets from their pockets, lighting up and taking a long draw of their first gasper for hours.
I always feel sorry for smokers (never having acquired the habit, I don't know what it's like to smoke in order to give it up and start again) but somehow that sorrow vanishes the moment I smell burning tobacco.
On aircraft, it used to be a nightmare. It was easy to define the smoking and non-smoking sections but no one bothered to tell the smoke which, in its ethereal, undisciplined way, would waft throughout the aircraft and get up people's noses, figuratively and literally. These days, there's no smoke but plenty of ire in the form of severe warnings that if one should even consider lighting up in the loo, the penalties include turning the aircraft around, the immediate fitting of an orange jumpsuit and a parachute drop on Guantanamo Bay.
On Smintair, the penalties for not smoking can only be imagined. Consider this letter from Alexander W. Schoppmann, addressed to "Ladies and Gentlemen, dear Guests" and published on the airline's website (www.smintair.com). Herr Schoppmann laments the decline of standards since the introduction of three-class international travel: "The descent of service accelerated dramatically," he writes, with interesting use of metaphor. "With this separation, the airlines created the room necessary to imply those changes and stop all kinds of services. Even my dearly loved Cocktail Frankfurters, not to mention the cigars, went literally through the window."
First off, though, Doctor Schoppmann takes the opportunity "to clear one of the biggest lies floating around everywhere in the World: 'Second Hand Smoke (SHS, aka ETS, Environmental Tobacco Smoke) damages your health'. The WHO (World Health Organisation) confirms in all of it's studies concerning the subject, that ETS has not even a statistically relevant effect on the non-smoker's health." Now Hauptmann Schoppmann becomes serious. "... By the way, did you know that the Nazis also sported a huge Anti-Smoking campaign? Yes, they did and the one we experience now carries exactly the same insignia."
Pausing to reflect that only if Adolf Hitler had smoked, the war could have been avoided, I checked out more on the Smintair site: "Allowing our guests to smoke is one of the freedoms we are happily prepared to grant. Non-smokers will find the cabin air more refreshing than on any other flight with any other airline, as Smintair adds fresh outside air to the conditioning system! This is more expensive, as it burns more fuel but it is seen as an additional service to our guests."
Another service, so far unconfirmed, is for non-smoking passengers, who will have two exclusive seating areas filled with fresh air: either wing.
I can see the Smintair idea expanding to cater for other long-haul masochists. In fact, I've just gone into the aviation business with a plan to make Qantas quake. Welcome to Shmithair, the world's only uncomfortable smoking airline, which permits cigarettes, cigars and pipes at all times, especially during refuelling stops, when you are welcome to puff away to your heart's content near the petrol truck. You'll need to stand because our seats have a maximum pitch of 15 inches, being suitable only for children and passengers named Happy, Sneezy and Doc. Shmithair will have three classes - Economy, Economy-minus and Cargo - and our staff of two will serve an international menu featuring under-ripe fruit, cremated chicken, flat sparkling wine and warm mineral water. Heavy metal will constantly be piped to all passengers, free of charge. No luggage will be allowed. A small charge ($40) will apply to the toilet.
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Hawaii becomes the 18th U.S. state to go 100% smokefree!
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 10, 2006
Contact: Cynthia Hallett, ANR Executive Director
Phone: (510) 841-3032
Web: www.no-smoke.org (http://www.no-smoke.org)
Sun & Smokefree Air: Hawaii Governor signs statewide smokefree law
Berkeley, CA -- Governor Linda Lingle signed a landmark bill Monday making Hawaii the 18th state to enact a strong smokefree workplace law. Passed by the legislature in May, Act 295 will take effect November 16, 2006, corresponding with the Great American Smokeout.
"It was not long ago when we believed that non-smoking sections in restaurants or on airplanes were sufficient to keep secondhand smoke away from nonsmokers," said Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle. "Now that we have concrete research about the serious dangers of secondhand smoke and we know that tobacco is a leading cause of preventable death in Hawaii, it is critical that we do all we can to protect the health of our residents and visitors by providing public venues that are truly smokefree. Hawaii's new smokefree law will save lives. At the same time, we will continue to work with our community and health care partners to focus on preventing Hawaii youth from starting smoking."
Nearly 83% of Hawaii residents already live in a county with a strong 100% smokeree law for indoor workplaces or restaurants. The new statewide law strengthens existing local laws in the Aloha State to ensure that all indoor workplaces and public places are completely smokefree. The law extends protections to such places as Hawaii's offices, educational facilities, health care facilities, restaurants, bars, clubs, airports, hotel and motel lobbies, public transportation facilities, shopping malls, sports arenas, theaters, and areas 20 feet from entryways.
On June 27th, the U.S. Surgeon General released its landmark report, The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke. One of the report's major conclusions is that there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke, and that even fancy ventilation systems and smoking rooms do not protect people from its health hazards. (For the full report, see http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/) (http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/))
According to Cynthia Hallett, Executive Director of Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights, "The workers, visitors, and families in Hawaii will soon breathe a little easier, enjoying lower heart attack and cancer rates, thanks to the new smokefree law."
Deborah Zysman, Director of the Coalition for a Tobacco Free Hawaii, said, "The people of Hawaii know that secondhand smoke exposure is a killer, so they asked lawmakers to take a stand. We are pleased the new law will now protect all Hawaiian workers, residents, and visitors from exposure to secondhand smoke."
Hallett added, "Hawaii has been a leader in smokefree air at the local level and is now recognized as one of the leading states actively protecting people's right to breathe air free of tobacco smoke in workplaces and public places. Service industry workers are not second-class citizens. This law puts everyone on equal footing with protection from secondhand smoke in the workplace."
As of July 1, 2006, 44.5% of the US population is protected from exposure to secondhand smoke by a strong local or state smokefree regulation. See the American Nonsmokers' Rights Foundation's smokefree lists and maps at http://www.no-smoke.org/goingsmokefree.php?dp=d13|p140. (http://www.no-smoke.org/goingsmokefree.php?dp=d13|p140.)
Summary of Current Strong Smokefree U.S. State, District, and Commonwealth Laws
California: Restaurants and Bars
Colorado: Restaurants and Bars
Commonwealth of Puerto Rico: Workplaces, Restaurants, and Bars (effective 3/2/07)
Connecticut: Restaurants and Bars
Delaware: Workplaces, Restaurants, Bars
District of Columbia: Workplaces (Restaurants, and Bars effective 1/1/07)
Florida: Workplaces, Restaurants
Hawaii: Workplaces, Restaurants, and Bars (effective 11/17/06)
Idaho: Restaurants
Maine: Restaurants and Bars
Mass.: Workplaces, Restaurants, Bars
Montana: Workplaces, Restaurants (Bars effective10/1/09)
New York: Workplaces, Restaurants, Bars
North Dakota: Workplaces
Rhode Island: Workplaces, Restaurants, Bars
South Dakota: Workplaces
Vermont: Restaurants and Bars
Washington: Workplaces, Restaurants, Bars
New Jersey: Workplaces, Restaurants, and Bars
Utah: Workplaces and Restaurants (Bars effective 1/1/2009)
Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights is a national, member-based, not-for-profit organization based in Berkeley, CA that is dedicated to helping nonsmokers breathe smokefree air in enclosed public places and workplaces.
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never fear: you'll probably always be able to smoke at bars in Virginia, a measely five minute drive away.