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Herr Professor Doktor Doom

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2004, 12:36:00 pm »
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  I'm not part of your little club
would the club you refer to be "a club of second-rate wanna-bes?"
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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2004, 12:43:00 pm »
Wow, you get to the board a little late in the morning and you miss all the good stuff. Hmm.... where to begin?
 
 First off, I am a member of this board, but it is in no way shape or form affiliated with BY. I promote BY stuff just as Fico promotes Cartel, and Medusa promotes her DJ events. I guess this is as good a place as any to air your complaints about any of the above, but the trend of folks feeling the need to publicly trash us, as opposed to offering some criticism to me personally, continues. Which is fine, I don't really care, it doesn't embaress me in the least. If it makes you feel better to say it out in the open, which it obviously does, I'm happy for you.
 
 To the matter at hand. Celeste and Rhett (mostly Rhett) have never had good things to say about BY, and their criticism in and of itself means nothing to me. I personally think their taste in music is horrible, their favorite artists boring and many of the songs they love physically make me ill. I grew up on country music, attended the Grand Old Opry numerous times as a child, actually like Bluegrass, and have a grand appreciation for the legends of the genre, Loretta Lynn included. But I didn't write that review. On a staff of almost 30 writers, sometimes the wrong person gets the wrong CD. In the case of Jason Ringenberg, that is obvious. It is a pet peave of mine, when writers outwardly say they hate the particular genre of CD they are reviewing, but that is an internal issue. As for Loretta, whatever I think of the new CD -- and I'm not loving it much -- I think the writer's point of why everyone is writing about the CD is spot on. No Jack White, no one cares. Sorry Loretta, it's that simple.
 
 In the end, you can rag on us all you like about uneducated writers, our lack of relevance and whatever else your panties are in a bunch over. Some of your points are very valid, though they often become lost in your blind fury. I've said this before, keeping this site together and functional is not easy, and soetimes things don't always end up the way you want it. This shit ain't easy and it is a huge work in progress. When you start your own website and work with a staff of folks and experience many of the pitfalls we have, let's sit down and have a long talk. I'm not gonna apologize for either of those reviews. They are, as are all the others, personal statements from the writers and do not necessarilly reflect the feelings of the "BY editorial staff." I hope in time we'll have some "highly educated" country music lover who can talk endlessly about every CD released with a steel guitar. Until then, i'm going to continue to try and make it work as best I can. And if you feel that blows, that stop reading the fucking site.
 
 PS- I apologize for the length of this post.

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2004, 12:49:00 pm »
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  I think the writer's point of why everyone is writing about the CD is spot on. No Jack White, no one cares. Sorry Loretta, it's that simple.
 
this, i meant to post originally as well.  I have felt this  way about several artists as of late.  Indie rock and its fans will tend to glom onto something they would normally hate, for a reason unbeknownst to me.  
    most of the review really sounds like me talking, but maybe something I'd be too shy to write.  I feel the same way about the Darkness....why anyone likes them and not Warrant, I'll never know. Loretta Lynn is in that same category.  Remember when everyone in hiphop land bought Dido's CD cause she was on that Eminem track?  same deal.
 
  ps - i love redsock. even though he doesnt write me back anymore.

Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2004, 12:49:00 pm »
I believe her point was that the reviews were written in a way that conveyed that the writer(s) did not have much knowledge of the genre they were dealing with. If the writer does not have a knowledgeable grasp of the genre they are writing about, why waste the bandwidth to post such a review? It only reflects poorly on Big Yawn's ability to be taken seriously in the local music community.
 
    That being said, I do agree that the Loretta Lynn and Jason Ringenberg efforts are indeed fairly mediocre, though I don't think the writers of these reviews offered any compelling evidence as to why this was the case.
 
 
 
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    the problem is that if all reviewers reviewed CDs from bands they loved and knew ALL about, there would be very few bad reviews.  but are we getting paid to review these? no. so how much research can we really do? do i have the time and resources to listen to a bands back catalogue and that of closely related bands before reviewing a CD?  nope.  
 
 
    you should be spit on.

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2004, 12:52:00 pm »
And so you know, these comments don't hurt my feelings. I do spend an enormous amount of time on this site, and when someone trashes my hard work to the extent celeste did, it usually does make me want to kill them or cry, but not in this case.
 
 But calling our reviews pompous? Have you read other sites' reviews? I mean c'mon.....

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2004, 12:52:00 pm »
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  I believe her point was that the reviews were written in a way that conveyed that the writer(s) did not have much knowledge of the genre they were dealing with.  
uh, good point. they actually came out and said it, no? maybe not a great idea.  but lets not review reviews!!!  :)

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2004, 12:53:00 pm »
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  Indie rock and its fans will tend to glom onto something they would normally hate, for a reason unbeknownst to me.  
   
it's easy to explain -- one can find the same proportion of trend-following sheep among indie rock fans as among the general human population -- which means the majority.
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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2004, 12:57:00 pm »
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Originally posted by redsock:
  But calling our reviews pompous? Have you read other sites' reviews? I mean c'mon.....
I was the one who said that, and I was only referring to the one review I read that Celeste linked to.   I'm not familiar with anything else on that site, so it's the only thing I can comment on.
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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2004, 12:57:00 pm »
I think Jack White is a legitimate lover of classic country music. You are right, it is a shame when Loretta Lynn and Johnny Cash suddenly become "cool" among the fickle, trendhopping indie rock snots. Too bad people have such rigidly defined ideas about music. Thankfully, Jack White does not.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by redsock:
  I think the writer's point of why everyone is writing about the CD is spot on. No Jack White, no one cares. Sorry Loretta, it's that simple.
 
this, i meant to post originally as well.  I have felt this  way about several artists as of late.  Indie rock and its fans will tend to glom onto something they would normally hate, for a reason unbeknownst to me.  
    most of the review really sounds like me talking, but maybe something I'd be too shy to write.  I feel the same way about the Darkness....why anyone likes them and not Warrant, I'll never know. Loretta Lynn is in that same category.  Remember when everyone in hiphop land bought Dido's CD cause she was on that Eminem track?  same deal.
 
  ps - i love redsock. even though he doesnt write me back anymore. [/b]

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2004, 12:59:00 pm »
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 But calling our reviews pompous? Have you read other sites' reviews? I mean c'mon.....
that wasn't me...they're too retarted to be pompous (OK, now I'm just ribbing you!)
 
 I know a site like this is a lot of work...and I know it's not easy to write music reviews...that's why I don't do them! But cause something is hard and you try does not make you exempt from criticism. Anway, like you said, Redsock, my opinion doesn't bug you, and like Dupek said, you'll probably be rich someday...

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2004, 01:09:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  But cause something is hard and you try does not make you exempt from criticism. Anway, like you said, Redsock, my opinion doesn't bug you, and like Dupek said, you'll probably be rich someday...
Criticism in and of itself is great. And as I said, you made some valid points; that writer shouldn't have reviewed that CD being one of them, totally my fault. I take more offense to the way this was portrayed. Which is why I find a personal e-mail to me more helpful. In a forum like this your message tends to quickly get potrayed as BigYawn is a Joke! and the valid points you have almost become meaningless as they are clouded over by your gross generalizations. But it does increase our level of activity on the site! :-)
 
 I certainly hope Deepak is right. I need the money.

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2004, 01:22:00 pm »
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  Anway, like you said, Redsock, my opinion doesn't bug you, and like Dupek said, you'll probably be rich someday...
Huh?
 
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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2004, 01:22:00 pm »
I think there's a difference between criticism and calling a whole group of people "a club of second-rate wanna-bes."
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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2004, 01:26:00 pm »
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 You've just rallied around your pals and against people who are criticising you. That's commendable, sticking up for a friend, but kind of uninteresting and doesn't do much for the discourse on this board.
Except, I haven't met anyone who works on the site, not even Redsock himself. The only person I know of on this board is Dr. Doom...and I haven't seen him in well over a year.
 
 Having said that, I have no agenda in sticking up for these people beyond the fact that we volunteer our time to do something we like to do...discover new bands/CDs and write about them for others. As I said upthread, it's much easier to sit on the sidelines and critique another's writing abilities.
 
 Do I like all the CDs I receive? Nope and I like it that way. If I were to start gushing about every album, I'd hope that Redsock would change it up.
 
 Frankly, the fact that we don't get paid for writing these reviews should show that we're doing this because we want to, not because we have to. So who cares if you get paid to write a newsletter. I'm sure you have people critiquing your work as well, for better or for worse.

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Re: Big Yawn is a Joke
« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2004, 01:28:00 pm »
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  In a forum like this your message tends to quickly get potrayed as BigYawn is a Joke!
that was the title of the thread.