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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: kookiemnstr8 on June 12, 2007, 07:05:00 pm
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Okay this is going to be hard to do, but I'm trying to create a mix of songs that allude to other songs/artists. Each song will reference the artist of the song that either follows or precedes it (I haven't decided which way I'm going to order it). I hope that make sense. Eh. Ideally the last song on the CD would refer back to the first one. But I think that might be impossible.
Where you all come in: Give me some songs that reference others/other artists. Ready, go.
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Rancid's Roots Radicals mentions Desmond Dekker. Though I don't know any Dekker songs that reference other artists.
There's a live version of Jeff Buckley singing Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah where he says, "I used to live with Leonard before I knew ya." Though again, I don't know of any Leonard Cohen songs that reference other artists directly.
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Ben Folds -- Late (about Elliott Smith)
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Frank Black -- I Heard Ramona Sing (The Ramones)
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Snow Patrol have that radio song that mentions Sufjan Stevens. I'm sure Sufjan's namedropped some artist at some point.
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"Song For Bob Dylan" by David Bowie!!!!!
Rancid also has a song that mentions Joe Strummer...I can't remember exactly which one, though I feel it might be "Indestructable."
Le Tigre also has a song called "Hot Topic" that mentions a whole buncha people
um, i'll think of more...
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Nada Surf - Blonde on Blonde
Harvey Danger - Flag Pole Sitta
New Radicals - Get what ya give
Smashing Pumpkins - If There Is A God
Small Factory - Versus Tape
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pavement- rattled by the rush (geddy lee/rush)
pavement- range life (smashing pumpkins and stone temple pilots)
ben lee- i wish i was him (pavement, beastie boys)
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if it were a hip-hop mixtape, you could probably get this done in under an hour.
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Elvis Costello's "worthless thing" references Elvis Presley
Ted Leo's "counting down the hours" mentions Mr. Mellor (Joe Strummer from the Clash)
Counting Crows "monkey" mentions Ben Folds
Bloodhound Gang - "bad touch" references Prince and Lyle Lovett and "fire water burn" mentions frank black and many others
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the Ataris have a song called "Ben Lee" that references Ben Lee, Bob Dylan, Beastie Boys, Snoop, Dr. Dre and Ice Cube
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
pavement- rattled by the rush (geddy lee/rush)
sorry, that was the wrong song. .. i meant "stereo"
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how about LCD's "losing my edge"... ever band that ever mattered is mentioned in there.
the sonics... the sonics...
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'thou shalt always kill' by dans le sac vs scroobius pip names about every popular band out right now...
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Originally posted by challenged:
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the Ataris have a song called "Ben Lee" that references Ben Lee, Bob Dylan, Beastie Boys, Snoop, Dr. Dre and Ice Cube
and they also have one called "The Radio Still Sucks" that mentions a lot of people too like Beck :)
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lcd soundsystem - daft punk is playing at my house
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camera obscura - hey lloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken
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weezer's "el scorcho" references green day.
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Sex Pistols New York talks about the Dolls
Replacements - Alex Chilton
Replacements - Something to Du
Teen Idles - Deadhead
Brian Jonestown Massacre - (David Bowie I Love you) Since I was six
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PJ Harvey -- Memphis (Jeff Buckley)
One of her best songs too.
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Weston has a song called Liz Phair
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oh and Bob Dylan - Song to Woody
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Sweet Home Alabama
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ben lee- i wish i was him (pavement, beastie boys)
I always thought this was about Evan Dando.
Whatus -- Teenage Dirtbag (references Iron Maiden)
Tenacious D -- Dio
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"Thirteen" by Big Star (covered by everyone incl. Elliott Smith, Wilco, Evan Dando, etc) references the Rolling Stones.
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Ben Lee's "Catch My Disease" mentions Beyonce and the Sleepy Jackson
Badly Drawn Boy's "You Were Right" talks of John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, Jeff Buckley AND Madonna.
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sun kil moon - glenn tipton (mentions kk downing too - guitarists for Judas Priest)
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Travis, "Slide Show" off "The Man Who..."
mentions songs by Oasis, U2, Beck, etc...
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Songs about Cobain:
Neil Young - Sleeps with Angels
For Squirrels - Mighty KC (although there's no way in hell you'll find a song referencing For Squirrels)
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Ben Lee - Away with the Pixies
Juliana Hatfield Three - My sister (refer to violent femmes and del fuegos shows, "before they went gold")
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Originally posted by econo:
There's a live version of Jeff Buckley singing Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah where he says, "I used to live with Leonard before I knew ya."
Better Than Ezra reference in the song "Under You" - Lyric: "You're a Leonard Cohen song..."
Are those all dupes or is Ben Lee a big name dropper?
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Nice topic.
Drive By Truckers: "Ronnie and Neil"; "Danko/Manuel"; "Carl Perkins Cadillac".
Springsteen: Thunder Road- "..Roy Orbison singing for the lonely"....
Social D: "Prison Bound" mentions Johnny Cash.
Smithereens: "Behind the wall of Sleep"
"Well she held a bass guitar
and she was playing in a band
And she stood just like Bill Wyman
Now I am her biggest fan"
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dandy warhols - cool as kim deal, lou weed and probably a bunch of others im forgetting at the moment.
BJM - not if you were the last dandy on earth
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Hold Steady "The Swish" mentions Journey (Steve Perry, Neil Schon) and the Band (Rick Danko, Robbie Robertson)
I'm sure they've got some more in their catalog somewheres.
Also, Jonathan Richman's "Velvet Underground"
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Originally posted by Graace:
Okay this is going to be hard to do, but I'm trying to create a mix of songs that allude to other songs/artists.
Great idea. I did something similar a while ago and even added some cover songs that relate to artists. I spent days on it, if not months.
Of course, the brilliance was lost on just about everybody I gave it to and it ends up being just another mix tape to everybody else...
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Cheap Trick-Surrender
Songs by Wesley Willis are a good standby as well haha
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Originally posted by kcjones119:
"Thirteen" by Big Star (covered by everyone incl. Elliott Smith, Wilco, Evan Dando, etc) references the Rolling Stones.
If I'm doing this correctly, Alex Chilton by the Replacements can come before or after this one.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Graace:
Okay this is going to be hard to do, but I'm trying to create a mix of songs that allude to other songs/artists.
Great idea. I did something similar a while ago and even added some cover songs that relate to artists. I spent days on it, if not months.
Of course, the brilliance was lost on just about everybody I gave it to and it ends up being just another mix tape to everybody else... [/b]
I'm glad someone appreciates this. My friends all laughed at me when I got excited about it, haha.
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Wilco - "Heavy Metal Drummer" mentions KISS
Weezer - "In my Garage"(?) I believe it also mentions KISS posters on a wall..
Alfonzo Velez (of Monopoli) - Prayer for Bobby Dylan
Wallflowers - "Sleepwalker"
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Counting Crows - Monkey (Ben Folds)
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LCD soundsystem - "losing my edge"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losing_My_Edge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losing_My_Edge)
The track mentions the following artists and music venues:
* Can
* Suicide
* Captain Beefheart
* Daft Punk
* CBGB
* Paradise Garage
* Larry Levan
* Ibiza
* Beach Boys
* Modern Lovers
* Niagara
* Detroit Techno
* Yaz
and ends with "But have you seen my records?" and a list of the following:
* This Heat
* Pere Ubu
* Outsiders
* Nation of Ulysses
* Mars
* Trojans
* Black Dice
* Todd Terry
* The Germs
* Section 25
* Althea and Donna
* Sexual Harassment
* a-ha
* Dorothy Ashby
* PIL
* The Fania All-Stars
* The Bar-Kays
* The Human League
* The Normal
* Lou Reed
* Scott Walker
* Monks
* Niagara
* Joy Division
* Lower 48
* The Association
* Manuel Göttsching
* Rammelzee
* Sun Ra
* Scientists
* Royal Trux
* 10cc
* Eric B. and Rakim
* Index
* Basic Channel
* Soulsonic Force
* Juan Atkins
* David Axelrod
* Electric Prunes
* Gil Scott Heron
* The Slits
* Faust
* Mantronix
* Pharoah Sanders and
* the Fire Engines
* Swans
* Soft Cell
* The Sonics
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Originally posted by Fico:
Wallflowers - "Sleepwalker"
It's been awhile...who is the mention?
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Mott the Hopple or David Bowie singing- All the Young Dudes, mentions the Beatles and the Stones
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elton john - empty garden (hey hey johnny)
several RHCP songs mention sly & family stone, "give it away" mentions bob marley, "apache rose peacock" mentions louis armstrong
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
LCD soundsystem - "losing my edge"
already been mentioned :)
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The CLash - 1977
"no elvis, beatles or the rolling stones"
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the who - you better, you bet - t. rex
t. rex - ballroom of mars - dylan & lennon
pavement - i love perth - noise addict (ben lee)
pavement - unseen power - rem
built to spill - distopian dream girl - bowie
material issue - what girls want - jagger, richards and rod stewart
the rugburns - your ghost - westerberg
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Originally posted by med:
Mott the Hopple or David Bowie singing- All the Young Dudes, mentions the Beatles and the Stones
thinking of the beatles and the stones - if i recall correctly - house of love had a song called 'beatles and the stones'.
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Charlie Daniels Band:
"The South's Gonna Do It"
Well the train to Grinder's Switch is runnin' right on time
And the Tucker boys are cookin' down in Caroline
People down in Florida can't be still
When old Lynyrd Skynyrd's pickin' down in Jacksonville
People down in Georgia come from near and far
To hear Richard Betts pickin' on his red guitar
Chorus:
So gather round gather round children
Get down well just get down children
Get loud well you can be loud and be proud
And you can be proud here
Be proud to a rebel 'cause the south's gonna do it again
Elvin Bishop's sittin' on a bale of hay
He ain't good lookin' but he sure can play
And there's ZZ Top and you can't forget
That old brother Willie's gettin' soakin' wet
And all the good people down in Tennessee
Are diggin' barefoot Jerry and the CDB
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Waylon Jennings, "Are You Sure Hank Done it this Way?"
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That reminds me of Lucinda Williams' Metal Firecracker-
We'd put on ZZ Top
And turn em up real loud
Also, of course there's Neil Young Hey Hey My My
The king is gone but he's not forgotten
This is the story of Johnny Rotten
And Lennon's God
I don't believe in Beatles,
I just believe in me,
Yoko and me,
And that's reality.
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The live version of Star Star by The Stones mentions Jimmy Page. Does that count?
"Jimmy Page page was all the rage and i can't see the reason why."
Not sure how you can loop out of Zep, maybe there is a metal band called Gollum or something.
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Originally posted by mekmad:
Not sure how you can loop out of Zep
tough one indeed. best i could come up with was "the ocean" - in it, "the hellhound" refers to robert johnson. if you wanted to stretch a bit, you could go with "hats off to (roy) harper" - no mention in the lyrics, only the song title.
wait, just occured to me - the song remains the same version of "whole lotta love" contains a line to the effect of "boogie one time with elvis"! i'm patting myself on the back for remembering this :) (yes, i know, i spent far too much of my youth listening to zep...)
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"John the Baptist" by the Afghan Whigs mentions Marvin Gaye
"Omerta" by the Afghan Whigs has a line from a Nas song and mentions him by name
"Sublime" by the Twilight Singers is the bastard white son of Gaye's "Sexual Healing"
"J for Jules" by 'Til Tuesday is about Jules Shear (one of Aimee Mann's former flames)
"Summers Kiss" by the Afghan Whigs and "Suffering" by Satchel share a lyric, "Put on your rose fur coat...it's 1973..."
"Debbie" by B-52s is about Debbie Harry (Blondie)
"Woman in a Bar" by Lloyd Cole mentions Scarlet Johansen...doesn't she have an album out, or coming out? ;)
Two versions of the song "No Child of Mine" were sung by Marianne Faithfull on her album Before the Poison and PJ Harvey on her album Uh Huh Her
"Special" by Garbage was described as an homage to the Pretenders' "Brass in Pocket"
"English Girls Approximately" by Ryan Adams is about Beth Orton
"With David Bowie" by Veruca Salt
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Tom Waits - "Frank's Wild Years" about Zappa
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Fountains Of Wayne "I'll do the Driving"
mentions Johnny Cash.
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Robbie Fulks-Fountains of Wayne Hotline
??Fountains of Wayne Hotline? originated as a travel game in our van. ??Welcome Interstate Managers? had just come out, and I guess it was the band??s super-competency and amazing consistency that made me imagine them as operators of a crisis hotline for songwriters. In our game one of us would place an emergency call for counseling, and a member of a large bureaucratic labyrinth, usually harried and gruff, would offer a solution based on time-honored Fountains of Wayne techniques. Grant, our guitarist, excelled at the mean-spirited drones, and occasionally a different kind of Hotline character would pop up, like one of the perky-beyond-all-reason types that were drummer Gerald??s specialty. Just another of those things that turns grimly incomprehensible in the telling?but, for whatever reason, it was amusing enough that I codified it as a song a little while later.
We played it for a couple months at shows, and people plainly liked it. But it was soon time to retire it. Remember how Stravinsky was dogged all his days by "Sacre du Printemps" -- we didn't want that! I did want to have something to remember it by, however. So we put down a version in our friend Jay O'Rourke's garage. Soon all kinds of people were asking for copies, such as -- in a particularly vehement request -- a team of able-bodied lawyers representing the real-life Fountains of Wayne. But it has all ended well, with the band liking the song, us still never having to perform it live, and this MP3 that is now available for your listening pleasure.
Says FOUNTAIN OF WAYNE'S Adam Schlesinger:
"If Robbie Fulks wants to ride someone's coattails, he ought to pick someone more famous than us. We, for example, cover Britney Spears songs to get attention. But hey, we're still flattered. In fact, we might hire him to write our next album for us."
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Counting Crows - Mr Jones (Bob Dylan)
Billy Joel's We Didn't Start the Fire (don't make me actually list them)
Better Than Ezra - Lifetime - REM (and that rem song was playing in my mind), the song being "talk about the passion"
brain doesn't work, i'm thinking of more tho.
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You are all fantastic fantastic fantastic. I'm working on different ways of putting things together, I'll post it when I'm done.
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liquorice's "team player" (about lois maffeo)
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Originally posted by Graace:
You are all fantastic fantastic fantastic. I'm working on different ways of putting things together, I'll post it when I'm done.
apologies if you've already thought of this obvious suggestion, but this could be done rather quickly using excel.
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I am going to keep going with this, hahaha, as i listen to songs
Liz Phair - "Stratford-On Guy" she mentions being in a Galaxie 500 video.
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A few days ago while driving I came up with this short list:
Dead Milkmen "Punk Rock Girl" mentions Mojo Nixon
Mojo Nixon "Don Henley Must Die"
Don Henley "Boys of Summer" indirectly mentions The Grateful Dead
Now what Dead songs mention other artists? Are there any songs that mention The Dead Milkmen? Is there a Dead song that mentions milkmen?
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I was thinking about this very thread over the weekend and came to the conclusion that it's impossible, especially to fill up an entire albums worth of songs, and you've pretty much summed up my thoughts below.
Sure you start with the Dead Milkmen, for example. But their song will only be able to reference artists and/or songs BEFORE "Punk Rock Girl" was recorded. And each time you are able to actually match two artists together, you're further and further limiting your pool of choices. I'm really not sure it can be done. Impossible definitely seems to be the right word.
Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
A few days ago while driving I came up with this short list:
Dead Milkmen "Punk Rock Girl" mentions Mojo Nixon
Mojo Nixon "Don Henley Must Die"
Don Henley "Boys of Summer" indirectly mentions The Grateful Dead
Now what Dead songs mention other artists? Are there any songs that mention The Dead Milkmen? Is there a Dead song that mentions milkmen?
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Originally posted by nkotb:
I was thinking about this very thread over the weekend and came to the conclusion that it's impossible, especially to fill up an entire albums worth of songs, and you've pretty much summed up my thoughts below.
Sure you start with the Dead Milkmen, for example. But their song will only be able to reference artists and/or songs BEFORE "Punk Rock Girl" was recorded. And each time you are able to actually match two artists together, you're further and further limiting your pool of choices. I'm really not sure it can be done. Impossible definitely seems to be the right word.
Shirley there are songs by older artists that mention newer ones, e.g. "Hey Hey My My" mentions Johnny Rotten.
For that matter there are songs that mention contemporaries. X's "I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts" mentions Black Flag, Big Boys, Minutemen and DOA (IIRC).
Perhaps it's cheating to use songs with lyrics that were borrowed for band names, e.g. 59 Times The Pain.
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Of course, you are right about that. I just think you'd more likely than not wind up pushing backwards in the musical time line than forward. Sure you can get Snow Patrol to mention Sufjan, who in turn mentions Louis Armstrong. But from that point, you may not find Mr. Armstrong mentioning Menomena or the Fiery Furnaces anywhere ;) .
Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Shirley there are songs by older artists that mention newer ones, e.g. "Hey Hey My My" mentions Johnny Rotten.
For that matter there are songs that mention contemporaries. X's "I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts" mentions Black Flag, Big Boys, Minutemen and DOA (IIRC).
Perhaps it's cheating to use songs with lyrics that were borrowed for band names, e.g. 59 Times The Pain.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
I was thinking about this very thread over the weekend and came to the conclusion that it's impossible,
Quitter.
Anyhow, you're pretty close to being spot on to my frustrations when I did my mix a few years ago. That's why when I did mine, I added cover songs. The only way to go back to the present and go backwards again was to use a new band covering an older bands earlier track and start backwards again.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
pavement- rattled by the rush (geddy lee/rush)
pavement- range life (smashing pumpkins and stone temple pilots)
ben lee- i wish i was him (pavement, beastie boys)
Pavement - "Unseen Power of the Picket Fence" is a tribute to R.E.M.
Both Duran Duran's "Do You Believe In Shame?" and Queen's "I Go Crazy" ("Radio Ga-Ga" B-side)mention The Rolling Stones.
Doesn't "Amsterdam" by Guster mention "your Shack CD?"
Marshall Crenshaw had "I'm Sorry (but so is Brenda Lee)."
Cheap Trick mention Kiss in "Surrender."
Brian
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Originally posted by kcjones119:
"Thirteen" by Big Star (covered by everyone incl. Elliott Smith, Wilco, Evan Dando, etc) references the Rolling Stones.
Garbage do a GREAT version of "Thirteen." It's the B-side to "Push It."
In The Wallflowers' "Sleepwalker" the lyric goes:
"Cupid, don't draw back your bow
Sam Cooke didn't know what I know."
Brian
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Lynyrd Skynyrd "Sweet Home Alabama" -> Neil Young.
REM "End of the world as we know it" -> Birthday party
Butthole Surfers "The Shah Sleeps in Lee Harvey's Grave" -> Jimmy Hendrix and Elvis Presley
Grandaddy "Jed's Other Poem" -> Beck
Sonic Youth "Tunic (Song for Karen)" -> Karen Carpenter
Pop Will Eat Itself "Not Now James" -> James Brown
This is difficult as people usually reference people from their past, so either you have to have a shift back somehow (people can not mention bands that don't exist) or try to have references that are almost current.
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Low's - "Hatchet" mentions the Beatles and Stones.
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quoting someone prior:
Are there any songs that mention The Dead Milkmen?
There's an Alkaline Trio song from 'Maybe I'll Catch Fire' where the lyrics are something like
"i've got a song stuck in my head that i miss more than my bed, it's a song sung from a fallen milkman who's drinking bleach instead, i'm just like him"
or maybe he says "much like him"
either way, it's clearly referenceing the dead milkmen's "i'm so bored i'm drinking bleach"
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wow i'm a nerd.
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Dylan's "Thunder on the Mountain" mentions Alicia Keys.
There's a Nirvana song with the lyric "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld" but I can't remember its title.
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Originally posted by you be pickup:
There's a Nirvana song with the lyric "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld" but I can't remember its title.
Pennyroyal Tea
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Originally posted by econo:
Rancid's Roots Radicals mentions Desmond Dekker. Though I don't know any Dekker songs that reference other artists.
The new Mighty, Mighty Bosstones single "Don't Worry Desmond Dekker" (obviously) mentions Mr. Dekker and The Clash.
Brian
P.S. That songs is ace, too. One of the best things they've ever done.