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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: markie on October 26, 2004, 03:04:00 pm
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che check it out.
http://www.gizmodo.com/ (http://www.gizmodo.com/)
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Yawn (http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmc120.aspx)
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This is getting to be a bit much. Wait a year or so and they'll incorporate video.
I like my 10G iPod as it is now.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Yawn (http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmc120.aspx)
Coming Soon.
Its vaporware.
Still if you want to do that kind of stuff you would be better with a portable DVD player right now.
The legal issues of setting up TiVo to go do not seem well enough resolved for the major players to be getting involved. You cannot legally rip movies the way you can CDs......
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Originally posted by econo:
This is getting to be a bit much. Wait a year or so and they'll incorporate video.
I like my 10G iPod as it is now.
You want video? It's already here...
http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmp-120.aspx (http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmp-120.aspx)
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Originally posted by econo:
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I like my 10G iPod as it is now.
yep, I llike my 5G and that is why the ipod mini will continue to be sold out.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
I like my 10G iPod as it is now.
You want video? It's already here...
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sure, but there is no legal content for it.
And no "ultra intuitive interface".
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Yawn (http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmc120.aspx)
Coming Soon.
Its vaporware.
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Pricing and Availability
The PMC-120 (20GB) will be available at the iRiver eStore www.iriveramerica.com/estore (http://www.iriveramerica.com/estore) and selected retail outlets beginning in November of 2004, the PMC-140 (40GB) is expected to follow later this year. Suggested retail price for the PMC-120 (20GB) is USD $499.99 and the PMC-140 (40GB) is USD $599.99. For information on retail availability, please visit www.iriveramerica.com. (http://www.iriveramerica.com.)
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
beginning in November of 2004
There are plenty of other companies readying similar devices, too.
Still its a content issue.
Or to put it another way, the new ipod with colour screen isnt exactly far away from playing movies, is it?
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True enough. However I was commenting on Apple's innovation curve. They improve on their products at what I would consider a rapid rate. Sometimes it's improvements that I don't necessarily consider all that useful. I'm happy with my iPod as a music player. It serves its purpose.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
You want video? It's already here...
http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmp-120.aspx (http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmp-120.aspx)
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Originally posted by econo:
Sometimes it's improvements that I don't necessarily consider all that useful.
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I was wondering the same..... I cant think of a real need to carry around my photos on my ipod. Carrying a PP presentation might be more handy though.....
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Apple's revenue stream is pretty much driven by the iPod these days. They gotta keep pumping out new stuff for the iPod or they will be back to the days when they were always on the verge of bankruptcy because only 213 people actually use their computers.
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
I like my 10G iPod as it is now.
You want video? It's already here...
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sure, but there is no legal content for it.
And no "ultra intuitive interface". [/QB][/QUOTE]
really, just because movies are currently available doesn't mean that there isn't other legal content.
http://windowsmedia.com/MediaGuide/Home (http://windowsmedia.com/MediaGuide/Home)
have you even seen the iRivers interface?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
Apple's revenue stream is pretty much driven by the iPod these days.
That is not true. They were looking at slightly increasing their market share when I last read about such things, only a few days ago.
The ipod does serve as a halo for the brand.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
really, just because movies are currently available doesn't mean that there isn't other legal content.
have you even seen the iRivers interface?
That content is pretty poor. If I had a choice of that or TV or TiVo to go, or a DVD....... well you get the idea.
I have not seen the interface, go and look back at the 2 links you posted and play Where's Waldo?
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while the ipod may be the industry leader they seem to be playing catchup with the others. plus iriver has more features than the ipod. for instance can the new ipod record music directly with an audio in port?
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the irivers aren't mac compatable, are they?
Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by econo:
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I like my 10G iPod as it is now.
yep, I llike my 5G and that is why the ipod mini will continue to be sold out. [/b]
are you saying that the mini is plenty large enough? i think i may be riding the bus to work, in which case an mp3 player is needed.
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
Apple's revenue stream is pretty much driven by the iPod these days.
That is not true. They were looking at slightly increasing their market share when I last read about such things, only a few days ago.
The ipod does serve as a halo for the brand. [/b]
Ten O'Clock Tech
The IPod In Perspective
Arik Hesseldahl, 10.15.04, 10:00 AM ET
NEW YORK - Two million iPods sure seems like a lot.
That's the number of music players that Apple Computer (nasdaq: AAPL - news - people ) said it sold in its most recent quarter. For a bit of perspective, on Jan. 6 of this year, Apple said it had sold 2 million iPods since introducing the product in October 2001 (see: "Apple Unwraps IPod").
In short, Apple sold as many iPods during the last quarter as it did during the product line's first 26 months of production. By my count, Apple has moved some 7.3 million iPods in the three years since its introduction.
It's clear how important the device has become to Apple's bottom line. In the fourth quarter of 2002, the first quarter during which Apple broke out iPod sales from the rest of its product lines, sales of the player accounted for only 3.67% of sales. Two years later, it accounts for nearly 23% of sales.
Apple now makes more from its top line from iPod sales than from any single line of its computers. By revenue, the PowerBook notebook line is Apple's second most important product, accounting for $419 million, or just less than 18%, of sales for the quarter.
Now don't get me wrong. I love the iPod. Two of those 7.3 million units are mine. But as much of a success as it has been for Apple, the iPod could also turn out to be an Achilles heel.
Take the iPod business away from Apple, and what's left? A company that sold 3.3 million computers in its fiscal 2004. That's less than 2% of the 176.5 million computers that market research firm IDC forecasts will be sold this calendar year. Apple's unit sales have improved a paltry 7% since 2002.
How could such a strong offering as the combination of the iPod and iTunes Music Store turn out to be a weakness? First, Apple is the big fish in a small but growing pond. IDC reckons 12.5 million MP3 players were sold in 2003.
Compare that to the Consumer Electronics Association's estimate that consumers bought more than 23 million devices it classifies as "portable headset audio" in 2003--that's portable tape players, personal CD players and radios combined. Sales for these older personal audio devices peaked in 2001 at 38 million, more than three times the unit sales of MP3 players last year, according to CEA data. That gives you a fair idea of how far the iPod and similar devices have to go before they become the consumer force that many already assume they are.
It may just make it by this time next year. One important boost will come from Hewlett-Packard (nyse: HPQ - news - people ), which just started selling iPods, and accounted for 120,000 units last quarter. And HP also built a bit of a bridge between Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) Windows Media and the iTunes world with a feature called HPTunes that lets Windows users access their iTunes playlists and play songs with a remote control.
What might spoil Apple's party? A digital music standard format that isn't of Apple's choosing. The record labels are starting to make noise about wanting a single digital audio format and a unified digital rights management (DRM) scheme for all vendors.
Apple's continued insistence at sticking with proprietary formats--and locking others out from its technology--in time may start to look misguided. It likes the Advanced Audio Codec for audio and has its own DRM technology, called FairPlay, which it refuses to share with other companies. RealNetworks (nasdaq: RNWK - news - people ) asked to license FairPlay, only to be told to go jump in a lake, which resulted in a public spat between the two companies (see: "RealNetworks Doesn't Rock").
Microsoft, for its part, has a popular audio format in Windows Media, and it has proved willing to license its DRM technology, known as Janus. Janus technology is central to the "plays for sure" promise Microsoft unveiled earlier this week. Buy a song from any service that supports Janus, and it will play on any hardware made by a Janus licensee.
During Apple's earnings conference call Wednesday, Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer was asked if he had any concerns about the possibility that a unified standard may be on the way. "We're just really focused on developing more great innovations and features into the iTunes Music Store and the iPod....We're just really going to focus on making those two solutions greater and greater," he said. Indeed, the rumor mills are already abuzz with word of new innovations on the iPod, including a color display screen that will display digital photos and album cover art.
Industries often take a long time to settle on standards. But the music industry won't take forever. Record labels are eager to reverse the trend of declining CD sales--consumers bought 136 million fewer CDs in 2003 than they did in 2000, the peak year of sales, according to the Recording Industry Association of America--and must get their act together soon regarding digital formats.
Apple Computer defied expectations and proved a viable business could be built around digital music. And, so far, the company has done better in this arena than anyone else has. But now the copycats are on the march, and in time they'll have the numbers on their side. If competitive offerings gain market share or an industrywide standard is imposed, Apple would either have to adapt to market realities, making its two-part music offering less special, or leave it unchanged and watch iPod sales--and profits--erode.
I've heard this story before. I didn't like how it turned out the first time.
http://www.forbes.com/technology/personaltech/2004/10/15/cx_ah_1015tentech.html (http://www.forbes.com/technology/personaltech/2004/10/15/cx_ah_1015tentech.html)
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It'd be nice if the iPod had a tuner installed. I'm surprised they haven't added that. Who knows, maybe they'll throw in XM or something next go'round.
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Damn yo, you're bussin' it? I think a new jobby job is needed.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
are you saying that the mini is plenty large enough? i think i may be riding the bus to work, in which case an mp3 player is needed.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
playing catchup with the others.
I think the original product was close to ideal, I dont necessarily think the extra features are that great. Apparently nor does the buying public.
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To GGW
"Apple's unit sales have improved a paltry 7% since 2002."
How have Dell and Gateway done in the same time?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
are you saying that the mini is plenty large enough?
For me, yea.
900 or so songs is fine. click shuffle and it like a great radio station.
Othere like to be able to carry their whole collection.
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
playing catchup with the others.
I think the original product was close to ideal, I dont necessarily think the extra features are that great. Apparently nor does the buying public. [/b]
so your telling me that no one is buying iRivers products?
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As somebody just said to me -
"instead of a really great jukebox or photo viewer, you end up with one crappier product"
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
[so your telling me that no one is buying iRivers products?
Not in the volume of the ipod. Infact iriver just announced a new MP3 player that looks rather like an ipod......
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granted maybe not the volume, but then again iRiver isn't saturating the market with advertising to sell their product.
And yes the iRiver Hard drive MP3 players which have been out for at least a year do look like an iPod.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
And yes the iRiver Hard drive MP3 players which have been out for at least a year do look like an iPod.
Umm, its all about sales....
There are newer prettier ones....
http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/iriver-h320-reviewed-024149.php (http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/iriver-h320-reviewed-024149.php)
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Originally posted by econo:
Damn yo, you're bussin' it? I think a new jobby job is needed.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
are you saying that the mini is plenty large enough? i think i may be riding the bus to work, in which case an mp3 player is needed.
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heh, actually this would be a new job, and it would be bus/metro. tennleytown is not an easy place to get to :(
i always tell people, 'you know that big space in virginia where there looks like there should be a metro station, and there isn't? i live there.'
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
And yes the iRiver Hard drive MP3 players which have been out for at least a year do look like an iPod.
Umm, its all about sales....
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Does that mean Ashlee Simpsonn is better than the Delgados?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by econo:
Damn yo, you're bussin' it? I think a new jobby job is needed.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
are you saying that the mini is plenty large enough? i think i may be riding the bus to work, in which case an mp3 player is needed.
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heh, actually this would be a new job, and it would be bus/metro. tennleytown is not an easy place to get to :(
i always tell people, 'you know that big space in virginia where there looks like there should be a metro station, and there isn't? i live there.' [/b]
That quote applies to pretty much all of northern VA..it applies to my neighborhood as well..and i know for a fact you don't live near me
oh, and here's my contribution to the IPOD discussion...its the U2 ipod: http://www.apple.com/ipod/u2/ (http://www.apple.com/ipod/u2/)
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Does that mean Ashlee Simpsonn is better than the Delgados?
Apples vs Oranges.
Was VHS better than Beta? Then how did it succeed?
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Congrats on the new job! Sorry about the commute...
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
heh, actually this would be a new job, and it would be bus/metro. tennleytown is not an easy place to get to :(
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Gateway is in the crapper.
Dell is up 40-50%
HP/Compaq is up 25-30%
Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
To GGW
"Apple's unit sales have improved a paltry 7% since 2002."
How have Dell and Gateway done in the same time?
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vhs vs beta is a poor comparision, seeing as there were two incompatible technologies involved. and yes beta was better than vhs expect for the fact that vhs came out with a longer format. professional broadcaster used beta long after it wasn't a popular consumer choice.
a better comparsion would be microsoft (ipod) vs apple (iriver). yes the ipod is the dominate seller, it also dosen't mean that there isn't room for other companies to innovate and develope products. and it would appear iriver isn't going away any time soon.
if for example wanted to play OGG or WMA files I'd have to look elsewhere than an iPod.
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Originally posted by econo:
It'd be nice if the iPod had a tuner installed. I'm surprised they haven't added that. Who knows, maybe they'll throw in XM or something next go'round.
the virgin player will have an FM tuner on it.
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Is it just me, or does the new VHS or Beta single sound just like the Cure?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
Is it just me, or does the new VHS or Beta single sound just like the Cure?
One of the few songs I have purchased off of Itunes, and I agree completely with you.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
the virgin player will have an FM tuner on it.
The Napster player already has an FM tuner/recorder/broadcaster - I have never once used the tuner or the recorder. I use the broadcaster everyday.
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For me, the biggest make or break for any mp3 player is its versatility, and iPod fails this test. You can't drag and drop music, plug it into multiple computers, transfer music back to the computer if your computer dies and loses all the music, you need to install software to use it so you can't at work, etc.
I realize there are workarounds to most or all of these, but I hate the idea of having a player that treats me like a criminal and having to jump through so many hoops to do basic things.
My RCA Lyra mounts as a hard drive and can build its own iD3 database, so you can drag and drop music to and from any computer without installing any software. It doesn't have a sexy scroll wheel, but versatility and compatibility wins out for me.
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Originally posted by MaLo:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by econo:
Damn yo, you're bussin' it? I think a new jobby job is needed.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
are you saying that the mini is plenty large enough? i think i may be riding the bus to work, in which case an mp3 player is needed.
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heh, actually this would be a new job, and it would be bus/metro. tennleytown is not an easy place to get to :(
i always tell people, 'you know that big space in virginia where there looks like there should be a metro station, and there isn't? i live there.' [/b]
That quote applies to pretty much all of northern VA..it applies to my neighborhood as well..and i know for a fact you don't live near me
oh, and here's my contribution to the IPOD discussion...its the U2 ipod: http://www.apple.com/ipod/u2/ (http://www.apple.com/ipod/u2/) [/b]
except your neighborhood isn't even near the map
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i)You can't drag and drop music
Why would you want to? Actually it is as simple as drag and drop in itunes if you want it to be
ii) plug it into multiple computers,
Yes you can.
iii)transfer music back to the computer if your computer dies and loses all the music
true enough, but then if you legally rip the CDs it isnt a problem
iv) you need to install software to use it so you can't at work, etc.
You could always plug your computer speakers directly into it. If you can install apps, how can you rip or download music anyhow?
The ipod is real easy. You cannot upload music from it to another computer, for that mild annoyance you get the advantage of the legal ipod download store.
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Do you realize how long it takes to rip (and then re-rip) 1000 albums?
Who wants to install software on every computer you encounter? In many cases, you aren't able to (i.e. at work). You also have to drag around apple's proprietary, added-expense cable, instead of using whatever USB cord is around.
Who wants to be prohibited from sharing their music collection among their *own* computers? Again, do you realize how long it takes to rip a thousand plus CDs?
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
The ipod is real easy. You cannot upload music from it to another computer, for that mild annoyance you get the advantage of the legal ipod download store.
but you don't need an ipod to be able to listen to music downloaded from emusic that dosen't have drm nonsense added to it.
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Not an IPOD, but...
Portable XM (http://www.xmradio.com/myfi/index.jsp)!
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what's the difference between installing itunes on a pc and putting mp3 files on it? seems to me if you can't do one, you shouldn't be doing the other. and doesn't the ipod come with a usb2 cord?
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Originally posted by bellenseb:
Do you realize how long it takes to rip (and then re-rip) 1000 albums?
Who wants to install software on every computer you encounter? In many cases, you aren't able to (i.e. at work). You also have to drag around apple's proprietary, added-expense cable, instead of using whatever USB cord is around.
Who wants to be prohibited from sharing their music collection among their *own* computers? Again, do you realize how long it takes to rip a thousand plus CDs?
What is keeping you from sharing your music on other computers exactly. I have all my mp3s on an external firewire drive. I can access that from any of my pcs or my mac. I just happen to plug my ipod in to my mac. And as far as Itunes downloads go, you can use them on 5 computers. How many do you need to share them on?
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The point is not that there are no workarounds, just that the iPod is a big list of "you can't do that"s. It's stressful, and who needs that from their personal electronics?
That said, it's very attractive and the scroll wheel is nice, and I can see why people like it.
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I have never had a problem with not being able to do something with my ipod. Most people who want to use OGG files probably know enough about other options that they wouldnt buy an ipod. And I wonder how many people who complain that they cant do this or that on an Ipod would actually want to do those things with an Ipod. Its not like when people complain about Windows, the ipod does what it does fantastically, whereas Windows is very buggy. So I would throw that earlier comparison out.
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ok then ibm verses apple... or gm verses toyota
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There is a way to transfer music from an iPod to someone else's computer. It may not be recognized by Apple, but it's really easy.
Originally posted by bellenseb:
Do you realize how long it takes to rip (and then re-rip) 1000 albums?
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The problem of not being able to upload from iPod to the computer is bigger than sharing music with buddies. I have a couple friends who have 20 GB ipods, but only 6 - 10 GBs on their PCs. So each had much more music -- burned from their own disc collections -- on their iPods than their computers. One guy had his iPod stolen, another had it completely die. Both left with having to reburn 400 albums. Shitty. And they did that (along with introducing the 40 GB at the same price as my 20 GB) just months after I bought my 'state of the art' player.
I've never had a problem with my very old, classic 20 GB, and I love it. But Apple does suck about some things (then again, all big manufacturers/developers do...). One issue -- changing the iPod connections so that, if I get a new one, I need all new wires, car kits, travel kits, etc. SHITTY.
Meanwhile, I'm 50% ready to buy the 60 GB. I'm one of those who wants my whole collection with me...I listen to albums mostly, and never know what my mood will be.
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I would wait a bit, since soon all the major manufacturers will be using the 1.8" 60gb hard drives. Manufacturers that use simple USB2 miniports that are compatible with every computer and won't make you buy lots of pricey additional accessories. And who will not burden you with lots of silly DRM limitations. Trust me.
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Originally posted by econo:
There is a way to transfer music from an iPod to someone else's computer. It may not be recognized by Apple, but it's really easy.
Originally posted by bellenseb:
Do you realize how long it takes to rip (and then re-rip) 1000 albums?
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How is this, exactly? My hard drive crashed and this would save me a ton of time...
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Here's how on a PC. I got this from the apple bulletin boards.
Go to My Computer and double-click on the iPod. Then, click on the "Tools" from the top menu, and go to "Folder Options". Click on the "View" tab and then select the option that says "Show hidden files and folders". Click "Accept" and then "Ok". Now a new folder should appear that says "iPod_Control". Click on the "Music" folder and then click on the folders and copy and paste your music to your computer.
Originally posted by keithstg:
How is this, exactly? My hard drive crashed and this would save me a ton of time...
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I don't know how they get away with calling the new iPod "portable."
<img src="http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/10/27/business/27apple.184a.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Considering the way this subject header was phrased, I thought for a moment that Paris Hilton was posting.
;)
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Originally posted by bellenseb:
I would wait a bit, since soon all the major manufacturers will be using the 1.8" 60gb hard drives. Manufacturers that use simple USB2 miniports that are compatible with every computer and won't make you buy lots of pricey additional accessories. And who will not burden you with lots of silly DRM limitations. Trust me.
new ipods come with usb 2. i don't understand
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As I understand it, you have to lug around their proprietary cord...you can't just use any standard USB cord plugged directly into the player, you know, the one that might be at your friends' or work. If it breaks or you need an extra, more $$ to Apple.
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Originally posted by bellenseb:
blah! Blah! BLAH!
Fuck me, are you the most boring person on earth?
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
i)You can't drag and drop music
Why would you want to? Actually it is as simple as drag and drop in itunes if you want it to be
Wow. I'm shocked. You have to use an Apple service (iTunes) to get full advantage of an Apple product (iPod)? It will spell the doom someday no matter how many gizmos they add to the iPod...but will it be the iPod or iTunes that goes down?
I have three Mp3 players, all different brands, only one of which is a hard drive based unit (the others are flash), and all three sync up with varying music stores/rippers/library software, and all three act as a hard drive so I can add/drop/copy to any computer using a standard USB 2.0 cable.
Why can't the iPod just play along? The market will kill one or the other. Could you imagine having to buy a Tower Records player to play CD's you buy from Tower, but then not being able to play CD's you buy from Virgin? It would never happen. Why this idea has lasted as long as it has, I will never know, but I'm going to go with Marketing right now. That is something Apple has been great at, despite it's continuous poor business plans.
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so...don't lose shit. not too hard
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Why can't the iPod just play along?
I imagine its mostly due to the itunes store.
Beside your point is somewhat dull as you can rip whatever CDs you want. And if you have a track as an MP3 or AAC you can pretty easily import it into itunes.
If you naysayers had actually enjoyed the beauty of sex, I mean the ipod/itunes/store integration first hand you would realise that all of these problems you are imagining, have no bearing.
This debate is so dull.
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not wanting to use itunes is just crazy, anyway
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Beside your point is somewhat dull as you can rip whatever CDs you want. And if you have a track as an MP3 or AAC you can pretty easily import it into itunes.
So what if I'm not at home, I see a legal downloadable song on the net while I'm at my buddy's house or at my folks house, who don't have iTunes installed. Why can't I just download the song and drag it onto the iPod as if it were a hard drive and listen to the song on my commute back? I shouldn't be dependent on having itunes installed to add a song to my iPod. I shouldn't have to have a special cable - anybody with a digital camera or any type of Mp3 player or USB device has a USB cable I can use.
The argument is not dull, you just don't have any answers so you mock instead.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Why can't I just download the song and drag it onto the iPod as if it were a hard drive and listen to the song on my commute back?
riaa?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
So what if I'm not at home, I see a legal downloadable song on the net while I'm at my buddy's house or at my folks house, who don't have iTunes installed. Why can't I just download the song and drag it onto the iPod as if it were a hard drive and listen to the song on my commute back? I shouldn't be dependent on having itunes installed to add a song to my iPod. I shouldn't have to have a special cable - anybody with a digital camera or any type of Mp3 player or USB device has a USB cable I can use.
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I dont have any buddys so that situation has never arisen.
This is a different argument and better than the other ones. It is at least legitimate.
Still how often is this a real issue? If it is often clearly you are better off with a different player. But I bet for most people the ease of the i world is more of an advantage.
I have no reason why the ipod will not let you do that, I guess it is preventing it is the easiest way of stopping the ipod being used as a music distribution device. Which would clearly not go down well with the itunes store.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Why can't I just download the song and drag it onto the iPod as if it were a hard drive and listen to the song on my commute back?
riaa? [/b]
Not all downloads are illegal.
There are plenty of free songs available from artists site. There are plenty of downloads from other music stores that I purchase that I would have to have iTunes for to transfer on my iPod, despite the fact that I purchased them from another music store.
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true, not all downloads are illegal, but cmon. if i'm giving my buddy a song, i'm illegally giving him the whole album. and everyone i know uses itunes anyway
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Still how often is this a real issue?
More often then you think, especially if you are a frequent traveler or live in a big city and frequent coffee shops, where you can get a lot of cool legal stuff from people.
This happened twice on my recent 5 day trip to DC, and fortunately for my buddy who's iPod wasn't able to copy a movie that my friend had made, my Napster player was, even though I didn't bring my cable. I ended up having to burn him a copy when we returned, as well as three demo tracks from my friends band. How 1990's that was...
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so...if you want to copy movies, you should get something other than a ipod. i already have a portable harddrive and a laptop, i want a mp3 player
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
so...if you want to copy movies, you should get something other than a ipod. i already have a portable harddrive and a laptop, i want a mp3 player
You carry that portable HD around with you often? I'm guessing no. So when you have a 20GB hard drive on you that you do carry around, why can't it be flexible? I should be able to use a 20Gb device to do both, if I so choose. You may choose not to do that, and a lot of people do, but I should at least have the option, because, after all, I am the consumer and I spent the money on the product.
Why do I need to carry around a mini-hard drive and an MP3 player, when I have 8 GB of free space on my Mp3 player? I shouldn't, and the iPod is the only HD based player I have seen with these limitations. And the reason is iTunes.
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if i'm going to the coffee shop with wifi i bring the laptop. if i have an mp3 player its filled to the max
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and can't you store a .mov file on an ipod if you select 'use ipod as a storage device'?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
if i'm going to the coffee shop with wifi i bring the laptop. if i have an mp3 player its filled to the max
Quality argument...that type of versatility is not useful to me, so why make it versatile for others? Do you work for Apple?
You know, it toook Apple over ten years and a 30% dip in market share before they allowed other printers to be hooked up to Apple computers. Versatility is important. Just not as important as marketing to Apple.
At least a few others on this board have seen the short sightedness and lack of versatility in the iPod. It's a great Music Player, and it's extremely well marketed - nobody has argued otherwise. But it lacks the versatility that makes other music players better. In my opinion, it's too wed to iTunes, and that affects it's versatility. Adding photos to an iPod is not going to change this - let me guess - iPhoto is required, right?
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but the iriver is hardly seemless when interacting with osx. if you select 'use ipod as a storage device' i am pretty sure you can store any kind of file on the ipod anyway. wasn't the rumor that at one point, the complete masters of fellowship of the ring were stored on an ipod?
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keithstg asked. Here's the answer:
Copying iPod music back to a computer:
http://www.ipodlounge.com/articles_more.php?id=5090_0_8_0_M (http://www.ipodlounge.com/articles_more.php?id=5090_0_8_0_M)
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Originally posted by Darth Ed:
keithstg asked. Here's the answer:
Copying iPod music back to a computer:
http://www.ipodlounge.com/articles_more.php?id=5090_0_8_0_M (http://www.ipodlounge.com/articles_more.php?id=5090_0_8_0_M)
Thanks very much - that is great.
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This is the best article I've seen on the new iPod.
October 28, 2004
STATE OF THE ART
The iPod's New Trick: Photo Show
By DAVID POGUE
The New York Times
SAN JOSE, Calif., Oct. 27 - All right, Apple. The iPod has 92 percent of the market for high-capacity music players. You sold two million of them in the last quarter alone. Your music store, whose songs play only on the iPod, has 70 percent of the online song sales market, and you've just rolled it out in 10 new countries.
What on earth do you do for an encore?
Apple revealed its answer Tuesday to an invited audience of journalists at a half demonstration, half U2 rock concert here: a new, top-of-the-line model that takes the iPod concept in a new direction that's simultaneously risky and overwhelmingly natural. Instead of just playing your music, this model also shows off your photos.
The iPod Photo, as it's called, looks and feels exactly like the existing iPod (it's one millimeter thicker). There's the famous white click wheel, there's the shiny chrome back panel, there are your fingerprints on it. But its two-inch screen is now in bright, crisp color.
The color screen is infinitely superior to the old black-and-white one, thanks in part to its new, sharper typeface. It makes a world of difference to built-in iPod programs like the calendar and the arcade games. It also shows the album's cover artwork when a song is playing.
But the real purpose of this screen is, of course, to display your digital pictures, which the iPod Photo automatically copies from your Mac or PC.
That stunt is brought to you by Version 4.7 of Apple's free iTunes jukebox software; you use it to specify a source for your photo collections. On the Macintosh, it's taken for granted that you use Apple's iPhoto software to organize your pictures; you can specify which albums (that is, subsets) you want synched to the iPod.
On a PC (Windows XP or 2000), you can sync the iPod with photo collections you've set up in Adobe Photoshop Elements or Photoshop Album, or with any pictures folder on your hard drive (like My Pictures).
Of course, a two-inch display isn't what you'd call a billboard; it's no bigger than the screen on the back of a digital camera. Fortunately, you can also connect the iPod Photo to a TV set by plugging the included iPod-white, three-headed audio-video cable into, of all things, the iPod's headphone jack. (There's also an S-video jack on its charging cradle.) This way, you can entertain the whole family with your little "Day in the Life of Me" presentation, as your handpicked music plays in the background.
As it turns out, the existing iPod's design, originally conceived for music, lends itself beautifully to photo shows.
For example, the functions of the click wheel's four buttons - Menu, Previous, Next and Play/Pause - apply just as naturally to slide shows. Ditto for the iPod's navigational system: the click wheel can breeze through the list of photo albums just as it does through music playlists. And running your finger around the wheel during a slide show adjusts the soundtrack volume just as it does during straight-ahead music playback.
In short, graduating from a traditional iPod to a color iPod involves virtually no relearning.
A kind of slide-sorter view displays 25 tiny pictures per screen; it's one way to pluck a certain photo from among the hundreds. Another is to spin the click wheel, which can page through full-screen photos astonishingly quickly and smoothly. They flicker past almost as though they're frames of film.
Here's another nice touch: When the iPod Photo is hooked up to a TV, your adoring fans see only the full-size photo on the TV screen. But you, captain of the iPod, see a tidy little command center on its screen: the current photo, flanked by thumbnails of the previous and next
ones. They provide a convenient crutch for narrating the show. ("O.K., see how cocky Chris looks here, going up the ski lift? Now I'll show you Chris five seconds later.")
And because you can see which photo is coming next, you'll never be caught in what veteran presenters call a "Now how'd that get in there?" moment.
Before shuttling your photos off to the iPod, the iTunes software does quite a bit of preprocessing, including scaling down your huge multimegapixel digital pictures to fit the iPod's two-inch screen. Because the resulting files are so tiny, Apple says that up to 25,000 of them can fit on the iPod Photo. (You can choose to include the full-resolution photos on the iPod's hard drive, too, which is handy when you want to transport them from one computer to another. In that case, of course, the iPod holds far fewer than 25,000.)
Unfortunately, all that processing adds a considerable amount of time to the synching process. On the Macintosh, the added delay is tolerable; you wait about 10 seconds for a dozen fresh pictures. But on Windows, synching is measured in minutes, not seconds. For best results, keep a stack of Popular Photography magazines next to your iPod cradle.
Photo fans should also note that the iPod's 220-by-176-pixel screen doesn't neatly accommodate pictures that have 4:3 proportions, or even 3:2 proportions (the standard aspect ratios of digital photos). Unless you care to crop each of your 25,000 photos before synching them to your iPod, be prepared to accept a subtle letterbox effect, a thin strip of black above and below each photo. (What the heck; the Bravo channel does it all the time.)
The iPod Photo comes in two models, both pricey. One, with a 40-gigabyte hard drive, costs $500, which is $100 more than its black-and-white counterpart. The other, with a new 60-gigabyte drive, goes for $600.
Both models, despite the color screen, somehow manage to provide about 25 percent longer battery life than their predecessors: 15 hours of music playback, or five hours of slide shows with music. ("Which is probably more than your friends will watch," added Steve Jobs, Apple's chief.)
So, yes, the iPod Photo is beautifully done. But within hours of its unveiling, iPod cynics were asking some hard-nosed questions online. Why can't you download your pictures onto this thing straight from a digital camera? Why do you have to use iTunes, a music program, to manage the photo loading? And, inevitably: Why can't it play video?
After all, for the same $500, you can buy a Windows Mobile Portable Media Center that plays not only music and photos, but videos too. (Of course, its hard drive holds only half as much as the iPod Photo's, you can't use it to record your own TV shows, and it's three times the size of an iPod. But still.)
These are rational questions. And if you're among those baffled by the iPod's appeal, well, consider yourself lucky. You won't find anything as beautiful, as polished or as simple to master, but you may well find a rival with more features or a lower price.
(And if you are in that category, you'll definitely want to avoid the striking new iPod U2 Edition, also unveiled this week. It's a traditional, 20-gigabyte, music-only iPod with a shiny black face, a red click wheel and the four U2 band members' signatures laser-etched onto the back panel. And it costs $350, which is $50 more than a regular white iPod.)
But as about six million people now know, buying an iPod isn't a rational decision. It appeals to people's emotions, their creativity, and even their vanity. It's not a machine, it's a personal accessory. In fact, it's practically jewelry.
That's why the iPod Photo makes so much sense. The iPod has always played your songs, in your chosen sequence, at a volume only you can hear; now it also shows snapshots of your life, friends and memories. In other words, Apple has found a way to make the iPod even more expressive, individualized and personal. Rational, schmational - get me on the waiting list.
E-mail: Pogue@nytimes.com
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It also tells you when the milk in your fridge has spolit and you need to order more. It calls Giant for you. And it vacuums your living room. Get's rid of embarrassing collar stains, too! It gives you an erection. It wins the election.
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"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
-Joe Theismann
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you asked for it:
Designer â??iâ?s: iPod Gets Dressed
Thu Nov 4, 1:09 PM ET Fashion - Fashion Wire Daily
Karen Robinovitz
Fashion Wire Daily November 4, 2004 - NEW YORK - Being well accessorized does not stop at the handbag you tote. Oh no. Cell phones, Blackberries, Sidekicks now wear Swarovski crystals and sit pretty in the hot little hands of Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Jessica Simpson (news).
Hewlett Packard, the company that once gave Puff Daddy (news - web sites) a diamond-encrusted iPod per gratis, is making sure that the fashion set keeps things chic in the iPod department with removable "tattoos" â?? basically graphic stickers that wrap around the gadget to give it a touch of cool. Last week, the company, which has been venturing into the fashion industry by partnering with the CFDA and Vogue on uber-posh events and promotions, launched a "tattoo gallery" online (www.hp.com) where you can download iPod tattoos ($14.99 each) created by hot designers like Derek Lam, Doo-Ri, Behnaz Sarafpour, Edmundo Castillo and Dean Harris amongst others, as well as rock stars like Gwen Stefani (news), The Cure, Sting, The Hives (the proper printing equipment and sticker paper, however, is required).
Imagine a Prouenza Schouler tattoo that looks just like the tweed suit you covet for spring, a cheeky Libertine number with the kind of iconic downtown-cool images the designers Jason Hartig and Cindy Greene are known for, a tropical aqua, pink, and green floral print based on the fabric of a feminine Peter Som dress, or something that looks exactly like the denim of your Habitual jeans (yes, the designers of Habitual created a tattoo, too).
As of yesterday, Ashton Kutcher, Amber Tamblyn, Rachel Bilson, and Jimmy Fallon (news) were sporting a special VOTE tattoo on their music machines. And you can also personalize your own tattoos by downloading digital photos. Please, we beg you: no compromising images of Paris Hilton.
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if i ever see anyone with that backback, i am definately punching them in the face.
and that black ipod looks nice as shit, it sucks that it's all u2 themed, hopefully they will just come out with regular black ones. the u2 thing was a bad idea, just a good way to ruin a good thing.
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http://apple.weblogsinc.com/entry/0411742428673731/ (http://apple.weblogsinc.com/entry/0411742428673731/)
<img src="http://www.loper.org/~george/trends/2004/Jun/iRaqiPod.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Question:
Is there any difference betweeen the HP iPod and the PC iPod I'd get from Apple?
I'm buying an iPod for a friend with a PC, and not sure what way to go. Though the mini is only available from Apple, and I'm thinking of going mini...
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Originally posted by Bags:
Question:
Is there any difference betweeen the HP iPod and the PC iPod I'd get from Apple?
I'm buying an iPod for a friend with a PC, and not sure what way to go. Though the mini is only available from Apple, and I'm thinking of going mini...
I dont think there is any difference.
It took 10 weeks waiting to get a mini ipod for Lulu. It might have been the latest gift, ever.
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Why 10 weeks? I got an apple mini at the retail store this weekend. Did you mail order?
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there is a company that will customize your ipod -- changing the backlight color and I think the case color too. I think it costs a bunch, but if you're the kind of effete fop that cares a lot about what your Ipod looks like, you'll be willing to spend it.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Why 10 weeks? I got an apple mini at the retail store this weekend. Did you mail order?
Yep it was mail order, but I called all around, including apple and they all said the same thing.... This was back in the beginning of July though.
They are planning on selling about a million ipods a month running up th Christmas.
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Next question:
The question is, do I get my friend a 5GB blue mini, which is in her obssessively FAVORITE color and is lighter for jogging, which I know she wants to do...
Or do I get a 20GB, which is only $50 more.
Initially I thought I'd get her a mini and fill it up myself (I thought she'd gotten another MP3 player to use on her PC). But, turns out she never got another one, so I think it may be better for me to get her a PC one and let her put the music on (if I fill it up, she can't change it as it will be formatted for Apple, and she happens to be in Nairobi -- not a lot of options). I then could bring her some DVDs with MP3s on it to pretty much fill the mini at least.
Thoughts?
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Edit... nevermind.
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Er, I could be totally wrong on this, but aren't all the iPods compatible with both Macs and PCs, and you can switch between the platforms with one device?
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Originally posted by bellenseb:
Er, I could be totally wrong on this, but aren't all the iPods compatible with both Macs and PCs, and you can switch between the platforms with one device?
you are not wrong
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Yes, they are. I thought so as well and then I read Bags post all wrong. But what do you care Bellenseb? Aren't you one of those that thinks iPods are going to take over our lives because they don't use WMA :D
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But isn't the software for PC and Apple different, so if I were to format it and fill it up on my Mac, she'd have to strip it completely and start all over to use it on her PC -- that's a question.
And then, don't I choose an Apple or PC iPod at the store, so I have to get add'l PC software if she wants to use it on PC after I started it on a Mac?
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Naw, I don't care about the WMA format one way or the other. As long as a player plays plain old mp3s I'm happy.
My beef with iPods is summed up more eloquently here (http://www.engadget.com/entry/7166385640773718/) , here (http://www.boingboing.net/2004/10/30/apple_to_ipod_owners.html) , and here (http://www.boingboing.net/2004/10/31/more_on_apples_break.html) .
That said, iPods are appealing in many ways and I see why people like them...
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Originally posted by Bags:
The question is, do I get my friend a 5GB blue mini, which is in her obssessively FAVORITE color and is lighter for jogging, which I know she wants to do...
iPod + jogging = bad
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
iPod + jogging = bad
even one of the wee ones?
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Originally posted by Bags:
But isn't the software for PC and Apple different, so if I were to format it and fill it up on my Mac, she'd have to strip it completely and start all over to use it on her PC -- that's a question.
And then, don't I choose an Apple or PC iPod at the store, so I have to get add'l PC software if she wants to use it on PC after I started it on a Mac?
The ipods are all mac and pc compatible.
you need itunes. Its a free download for mac and PC.
You can load up an ipod with tunes from as many machines as you like, just turn auto-synching off or it will throw away tunes on the ipod not on the computer.
If she has 100 Cds buy her a mini. If she has 200 cds buy her the ipod. If she has 500 cds buy her the mini.
I really liked Lulu's mini, its much much much nicer than my 1st generation block.
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There are not pc ipods and mac ipods, they all work on both pcs and macs, they all come with itunes for pcs and macs, as far as switching between the 2 with ease I am not sure
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
iPod + jogging = bad
even one of the wee ones? [/b]
I am still not sure about this.
At best its a mini hard drive and mini hard drives are not well suited to jumping up and down..... flash drive devices have an advantage here. But I have jogged with my old ipod, It would just crash every hour or so. Which just meant pressing menu and play and waiting a few seconds. The mini's are smaller and weigh less have less momentum and skip less.....
If you are going to jog get a mini, then you can get one of the neato arm bands which stop if bouncing around so much.... helping even more.
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Originally posted by pollard:
There are not pc ipods and mac ipods, they all work on both pcs and macs, they all come with itunes for pcs and macs, as far as switching between the 2 with ease I am not sure
Why not?
The mp3s or AAC's on a PC are the same as on a MAC. The ipod does not format its hard drive when you first plug it in, does it?
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Why not?
The mp3s or AAC's on a PC are the same as on a MAC. The ipod does not format its hard drive when you first plug it in, does it?
when there were ipods for mac and ipods for windows you could not switch back and forth but you could make a windows one a mac ipod by reformatting it, I believe you have to choose how you want it because windows does not support the file system for the mac, i am trying to find an answer to this
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I have both a Mac and a PC. Will my iPod work on both?
Answer: No, not at the same time. iPod is configured for either Mac or PC. You can use the iPod Software Updater utility to restore iPod to work with a Mac or a PC (depending on which version of the utility you use). See "Restoring iPod to factory settings" for more information.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60920 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60920)
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Well you dont reformat when you connect to a mac, I presume you dont reformat when you connect to a PC.
PC owners with newer ipods did you have to reformat your ipod when you got it?
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My iPod came with a disc that contained everything I needed. I'm using a PC. What that did with my iPod, I'm not sure. It was the day of Christmas and very late at night.
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As far as jogging goes, the ipod has 20 minutes of skip protection, but it should be fine if you have the ipod in a tight pocket or on an armband that holds it in place
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Is that up to date though as this sounds like an old faq answer as there is only one ipod:
"Note: Using the iPod for Mac on a PC, or using the iPod for Windows on a Mac, is not supported by Apple."
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Is that up to date though as this sounds like an old faq answer as there is only one ipod:
"Note: Using the iPod for Mac on a PC, or using the iPod for Windows on a Mac, is not supported by Apple."
it also says "You can use the iPod Software Updater utility to restore iPod to work with a Mac or a PC "
that was not possible with the old ones, i had to read it several times before I thought they were talking about the new ones
I used my first generation one on a pc before I had a mac, so it has always been possible in some way
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Originally posted by pollard:
As far as jogging goes, the ipod has 20 minutes of skip protection, but it should be fine if you have the ipod in a tight pocket or on an armband that holds it in place
My ipod does not have 20 minute of protection....
Mine tends to crash between songs when I use it on shuffle.....
Are songs really preshuffled and stored? I wonder if that is a flaw?
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this is about new ones
Question 9: Can I use iPod while running, or doing other activities? Will my music skip?
Answer: iPod was designed for people with an active lifestyle. It is compact and lightweight enough to take with you wherever you go. It was designed to fit comfortably in the palm of your hand or to be slipped into a pocket or purse for easy transport. iPod offers up to 20 minutes of skip protection - twice that of other hard drive-based MP3 players on the market - so you can enjoy outdoor athletic activities without missing a beat.
Question 10: How does iPod provide skip protection?
Answer: In addition to the hard drive, iPod has a memory cache. It is made up of solid-state memory, meaning that it has no mechanical or moving parts, so it is not affected by movement of the device. iPod skip protection works by preloading up to 25 minutes of music to the cache at a time. iPod plays music from the memory cache rather than the hard drive, so even rigorous activities won't cause music to skip.
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Originally posted by pollard:
that was not possible with the old ones, i had to read it several times before I thought they were talking about the new ones
Good point. It is a bit odd.
Besides Bags music is all shite and I am sure her friend will want to quickly remove all traces of Barry Mannilow.
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But you see, it's not about the iPod hardware, or formatting it for the first time out of the box, but whether you can use it on a PC AFTER you've used it and loaded it up on a Mac. I know a couple years ago you had to reformat it completely to switch between a PC and Mac, meaning you lose all the songs.
I'm thinking the thing to do is just give her the new mini in a box and hand her a bunch of DVDs of songs from my iTunes.
Love the help on these issues -- thanks.
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Re: Jogging.
I looked into getting one of these iPod doo-hickeys, but based on the things I read on iPodlounge.com and some other discussion boards, it seems like its a crapshoot whether it works or not while running.
What I gleaned from my research is that the iPod has 20 minutes or so of flash memory. After that, it goes back to the hard drive to get more music. Apparently, many people had problems here - described as either "freezing" or "seizing". Reportedly, it won't play again until you take it home and reset it.
Some argued that the newer models are more prone to this problem, as Apple has tried to make them slimmer, which, I guess means all the moving thingamajigs are cramped in closer quarters.
Whatever the technical reasons for the problems, it was mentioned with sufficient frequency that it wasn't worth it to me to lay out some serious cabbage for something that may not work for the purpose for which I would most like it.
if you go to the Forums at www.ipodlounge.com (http://www.ipodlounge.com) and search "jogging" you can read some of the discussions.
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i think this answers the switching between pc and mac while not losing your music, you cant
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61675 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61675)
and more info on skip protection
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93318 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93318)
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Besides Bags music is all shite and I am sure her friend will want to quickly remove all traces of Barry Mannilow.
It must say something about you that my music is all shite but I see you at so many shows, my friend. Or at least I used to. Then you fell in love with your bike in a new and profound way.
Just a couple Manilow tunes, for those crazy shuffle days when she's driving around the Serengeti. Hell, I only have the ONE album to take tunes from. :p
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
Re: Jogging.
I looked into getting one of these iPod doo-hickeys, but based on the things I read on iPodlounge.com and some other discussion boards, it seems like its a crapshoot whether it works or not while running.
What I gleaned from my research is that the iPod has 20 minutes or so of flash memory. After that, it goes back to the hard drive to get more music. Apparently, many people had problems here - described as either "freezing" or "seizing". Reportedly, it won't play again until you take it home and reset it.
Some argued that the newer models are more prone to this problem, as Apple has tried to make them slimmer, which, I guess means all the moving thingamajigs are cramped in closer quarters.
Whatever the technical reasons for the problems, it was mentioned with sufficient frequency that it wasn't worth it to me to lay out some serious cabbage for something that may not work for the purpose for which I would most like it.
if you go to the Forums at www.ipodlounge.com (http://www.ipodlounge.com) and search "jogging" you can read some of the discussions.
I was getting my support links from ipodlounge, the first thing I see there about jogging is
Every situation is unique......... so as a benchmark, IN GENERAL while jogging, an iPod clipped to your waist will not function past the 25 minute buffer. An iPod held in your hand while jogging will function fine.
I am sure there is more argument on both sides
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I'd get one of these instead.
<img src="http://www.rpi.edu/dept/sts/pdi/introsts/media/med.k.walkman.gif" alt=" - " />
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My 8-tracks won't play on it.
Originally posted by chaz:
I'd get one of these instead.
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