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Will the bboard be turned off to honor the sanctity of the first Tuesday in November?
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I'm marquee smith and I approve this post.
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But what will all the immigrants and the last minute canvasers do?
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Go get drunk in some local gin mill..?
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I'm marquee smith and I approve this post.
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turning it off might be the only way to get some lazy asses to vote
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I'm off to San Francisco and Lake Tahoe tomorrow, so I'll miss all the festivities anyway.
Enjoy the victory early, because after Kerry takes office, you will all wonder if you've been had.
I think it was that eminent political philosopher Markie who once observed that the greatest time for the Left is when the Right is in power, because the Left can then be enraged at how horrible things are under the Right and they can incessantly claim that things would be glorious if the Left were in power. Then the Left actually comes into power and proves them wrong.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I think it was that eminent political philosopher Markie who once observed that the greatest time for the Left is when the Right is in power, because the Left can then be enraged at how horrible things are under the Right and they can incessantly claim that things would be glorious if the Left were in power. Then the Left actually comes into power and proves them wrong.
That statement is ambidextrous...or however you spell that friggin word!
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I'm off to San Francisco and Lake Tahoe tomorrow, so I'll miss all the festivities anyway.
play that 3 card poker there. . .won a ton of money on that game. . .then blew it on blackjack.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
play that 3 card poker there. . .won a ton of money on that game. . .then blew it on blackjack.
Is that "carribean"?
I hear there is a decent hold'em table at the newly reopened Crystal Bay Club.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
play that 3 card poker there. . .won a ton of money on that game. . .then blew it on blackjack.
Is that "carribean"?
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dunno about that, but there are tables with 3 card poker and pai gow. the casinos in tahoe are pretty hurting, since most people from the bay area just go to indian casinos these days.
oh, here, you should know about this too: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/travel/10061944.htm (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/travel/10061944.htm)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I'm off to San Francisco and Lake Tahoe tomorrow, so I'll miss all the festivities anyway.
Coming here to get out the vote?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I hear there is a decent hold'em table at the newly reopened Crystal Bay Club. [/b]
True dat, it's a limit table though. The only no-limit games I was able to play were tourney's.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Markie who once observed that the greatest time for the Left is when the Right is in power, because the Left can then be enraged at how horrible things are under the Right and they can incessantly claim that things would be glorious if the Left were in power. Then the Left actually comes into power and proves them wrong.
I think that is pretty close.
But I dont think it is the greatest time for the left, but the greatest time for the proletariat.
But this means you can understand me, afterall?
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
But this means you can understand me, afterall?
When I want to....
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Coming here to get out the vote?
I was hoping to get away from "the vote," but I fear that the conference on institutional investment management in an environment of low beta market returns will be sidetracked by more discussion of the election.
Any good shows on Wednesday or Thursday night?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I think it was that eminent political philosopher Markie who once observed that the greatest time for the Left is when the Right is in power, because the Left can then be enraged at how horrible things are under the Right and they can incessantly claim that things would be glorious if the Left were in power. Then the Left actually comes into power and proves them wrong.
if kerry wins, he's gotta have the lowest expectation of any recent incoming president. besides, i have a problem with calling either american party very 'liberal' or 'conservative'
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
if kerry wins, he's gotta have the lowest expectation of any recent incoming president.
Lower than GW, who lost the popular vote?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Any good shows on Wednesday or Thursday night?
Nothing to my knowledge on Wedensday, but I haven't been paying much attention with everything else going on.
Delgados on Thursday at Bimbo's or Brian Wilson at the symphony hall. I'm not planning on going to either.
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my plans for election are:
Work
Vote
Pack Just in Case
See Shaun of the Dead
Avoid all election coverage
Be either happy or sad with the results in the AM.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
my plans for election are:
Phone Bank (Legal)
Precinct Walk
Phone Bank (Voter Reminder)
Precinct Walk
Freeze my ass off
Precinct Walk
Drink Hot Chocolate
Precinct Walk
Irish Coffees
Tony Knowles Victory Party?
Fly Home
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
if kerry wins, he's gotta have the lowest expectation of any recent incoming president.
Lower than GW, who lost the popular vote? [/b]
gw was supposed to be better than clinton, who had peace and prosperity, kerry is supposed to be better than gw...who didn't
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at 12:30am unable to sleep turned on the news to peek and now i am sad :(
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I'm heading out shortly to find a bridge to jump off of.
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I blame Mel Gibson. <img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage09/4.gif" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/comp1.gif" alt=" - " />
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Yeah, I turned over to the news channels around 11:30 or so...so much for porn and blaxpoitation. Right now, a natural disaster dislocating the Northeast corridor (DC - Maine) from the rest of the continental U.S. sounds like a really great fuckin' idea. Sorry NoVa folks. ;)
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this is one strange country, I can't believe so many states voted to adopt amendments banning gay marriage
the Republican party needs to be split in to two parties, the social conservatives and the traditional Republicans focused on economic issues, I don't know how the traditional Republicans can stand being in bed with the "moral values" voters or can't see that in the long run, Bush's right wing cultural issues will eventually harm the economy
unfortunately for the Dems, they don't really have an identity for people to rally behind, just a label (liberals) for morons to rally against
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Originally posted by pollard:
unfortunately for the Dems, they don't really have an identity for people to rally behind..?
<img src="http://www.netalbum.gr/data/media/52/Hillary.jpg" alt=" - " />
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welcome to the U.S.S.A where we might as well have a state run media, secret watch lists, and it's only going to get worse with Patriot Act II, The Induce act, and whatever eles Act Ashcroft could possible push through the senate.
It a really shame more people don't know what they gave up with the Patriot Act. It doesn't make us any safe against terriorists. Just more inconvience and invasion of privacy. Feel free to say something negative about the president and get added to the TSA watch list. Good luck getting off the TSA watch list. Joe Public appears to think these are making the country safer, when in fact it's just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
I'm relieve to see that both ABC and NPR are as I type sticking by there guns and not calling OH. At last check CBS backed off OH. So there is hope...
The one bright spot about all of this is the development of a highly motivated reality-based community of progressives, who will fight the war against media ownership, etc.
Still couch surfing in the UK maybe the way to go...
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what also worries me is we might have 16 more years of the this bs, courtesy of Jeb and P.
no not P. Diddy, but George P. Bush son of Jeb... He's elibible to run in 2012. And the stop gap would be Jeb. I thought people came to America to escape the maddness of a Monarchy.
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Unfortunately, what we seem to be learning is that a majority of our countrymen really are poorly-educated, half-witted, simpering morons. There's really no other explanation.
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I'm convinced that many Americans have no sense of World History. i.e. Why there is a Seperation of Church and State. And the bible does not qualify as World History. And don't get me started on the Bush Administration policy with regards to the place of science in our society.
As pointed out in a recent piece in the Post, it would appear they don't know American history either. How does one explain a car with a bumpersticker that says "One Nation Under God" and a Conferderate Flag decal. Clearily, they don't understand what happened during the Civil War.
With that I'm off to sulk at work...
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Unfortunately, what we seem to be learning is that a majority of our countrymen really are poorly-educated, half-witted, simpering morons. There's really no other explanation.
Seriously. How else can you explain people like Bunting winning in Kentucky, or Barry being re-elected to public office in DC? No Child Left Behind, pfft, it's more like No Citizen Left Behind.
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There are a shitload of police cars hanging around Dupont Circle this morning.
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Well it appears the only thing that went in my favor yesterday was how very funny "Shaun of the Dead" was... Hell I even thing Flawd would like this one, although the humour is bit British. The scene with the records was HILARIOUS, with a cool reference to The Stone Roses "Second Coming". See it soon it wont be around long seeing as it was me and one other person in the theater. Kosmette was GOTVing in PA. One really gnarly Zombie bit near the end.
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and I voted for two local Green Party Candidates :D
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I'll never vote for a Green... they (and Nader) are to blame for Bush getting elected the first time around.
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twas for the senator and house of rep... both heavily favored democratic seats.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
I'll never vote for a Green... they (and Nader) are to blame for Bush getting elected the first time around.
I can see the logic in wanting to vote for small parties. Until people have the balls to do it...they'll never have the funding to compete.
if one of those parties can get some Senators or Reps, perhaps they can get the noteriety to get some real votes one year.
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I feel sick today. And angry. And confused.
It's very strange. It's only an election - it has never bothered me before.
I'm not usually myopic. I understand that everyone has an opinion and point of view. But, I just can't believe that there are so many people that feel so differently.
It's too late for rhetoric, but I can't fathom the thinking that would allow a person to cast a vote for this president while overlooking that:
He's not smart - see the debates/speeches/failed businesses
He's not trust worthy - he lied us into war
He's not protective of American lives - he's now responsilbe for more American deaths than Bin Laden
There are no Presidential issues more important than these three. Yet, obviously there are many people who felt a vote for lower taxes was more important, or a vote against gay marriages, etc.
It's apparent that there are 2 deeply divided types of people in the U.S.
At the risk of being offensive (fuck it - I already said I was angry) - I think you can describe the 2 groups broadly as
* people who think more largely
* people who act more selfishly
I wonder how all these Bush supporters would be voting if it was their child coming home from Iraq in a box? :mad: But, of course - it's not their kids. It's someone else's problem. At least they don't have to worry about those pesky gays.
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Originally posted by grotty:
I wonder how all these Bush supporters would be voting if it was their child coming home from Iraq in a box? :mad: But, of course - it's not their kids. It's someone else's problem. At least they don't have to worry about those pesky gays.
Actually last night they were saying that more soldiers come from Bush country than Kerry country. Which just makes it worse, its their kids he is killing.
I don't think we have to look at this for the candidates personal attributes or what they did or didnt do. There is reason enough to vote against Bush on policy issues.
The fact is, Bush clearly ran a better ground campaign. High turnout is never supposed to be good for Republicans, yet it appears yesterday it was. According to several reports, young people did not vote, Bush got his base out. The thing that dissapoints me most is that half his base is voting on this idea of "moral values". I still don't know what the fuck that means, I guess I don't have them.
I wonder how much work Bush has left to do to make the world ready for Jesus' return.
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Originally posted by pollard:
According to several reports, young people did not vote, Bush got his base out.
Young voters did turn out, but not enough to offset the Republican base. The percentage was about the same as young people who voted in the 2000 election.
While it's good that so many people voted, it's amazing that the real issues--Iraq, the economy, jobs, healthcare--took a backseat to so-called "moral issues."
The combination of this with a Republican-majority House and Senate seriously frightens me.
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Originally posted by pollard:
unfortunately for the Dems, they don't really have an identity for people to rally behind, just a label (liberals) for morons to rally against
I agree, but I think it's bigger than that.
The constitution dictates a Separation of Church & State. Yet, this President and his party are clearly aligned with the Christian Right. And they remind us every turn.
It wouldn't matter what the Democratic identity was - how do you compete with a group of people who believe in and are pushing Santa Claus?
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If you're interested about reading about 'moral values' I recommend "What's the Matter with Kansas?" by Thomas Frank (the founding editor of the Baffler, for what that's worth). Over-simplifying, it basically argues that Republicans have successfully gotten people to ignore economic issues and focus on moral issues, like abortion, or same sex marriage, or teaching evolution in schools, etc.
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Well yes, if you're a rich person on the Left.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I think it was that eminent political philosopher Markie who once observed that the greatest time for the Left is when the Right is in power, because the Left can then be enraged at how horrible things are under the Right and they can incessantly claim that things would be glorious if the Left were in power. Then the Left actually comes into power and proves them wrong.
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Originally posted by skonster:
If you're interested about reading about 'moral values' I recommend "What's the Matter with Kansas?" by Thomas Frank (the founding editor of the Baffler, for what that's worth). Over-simplifying, it basically argues that Republicans have successfully gotten people to ignore economic issues and focus on moral issues, like abortion, or same sex marriage, or teaching evolution in schools, etc.
The ultimate in Bush's hypocrisy:
Save the fetus! Kill the teenage soldier.
"ignore economic issues and focus on moral issues, like abortion, or same sex marriage, or teaching evolution in schools,"
Each of these 'issues' are deeply rooted in RELIGION.
The more I think about this, the more I realize how much religion has played a role:
If you are a believer, you'll more blindly follow a believer - God is on our side!
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Originally posted by pollard:
I wonder how much work Bush has left to do to make the world ready for Jesus' return.
Well according to the Kennedy, that was on Bill Maher's recently, he's well on the way. Destroying the enviroment and using all any and resources is part of the "Moral" rights dogma. i.e. The Rapture coming soon so why bother worrying about tomorrow and party like it's 1999
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Well according to the Kennedy, that was on Bill Maher's recently,
RFK, Jr.
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the other irony is that oppose stem cell research when aborted fetus are still being uesd. stem cell research is a huge red herring to get the right fired up for bigger issues. ironic that stem cells aren't even human in any form whats so ever. you watch next thing to be outlawed will be invtro ferterilzation. (spellin not so godo on litle slep)
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So what happens when the Greens are the only ones that are in line with your values?
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
I'll never vote for a Green... they (and Nader) are to blame for Bush getting elected the first time around.
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Sad day.
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Originally posted by econo:
So what happens when the Greens are the only ones that are in line with your values?
Then you do everything you can to ensure that the ones that are least in line with your values do not take control.
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Originally posted by grotty:
The constitution dictates a Separation of Church & State. Yet, this President and his party are clearly aligned with the Christian Right. And they remind us every turn.
that's not what the constitution says. it says the govt. shall make no law abridging the right to worship freely, which is different. the "separation of church and state" was devised by jefferson sometime after he was president.
btw, the constitution says - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
we can argue over semantics all day long, but the fact is the founding fathers were very religious people (even jefferson in his own way). . .now, they may have believed that that statement meant a separation of church and state, but there really is now application or interpretation of it like that until jefferson makes it up after he left office.
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Whats sad is that, if Kerry holds onto New Mexico and Iowa, and Bush ends up winning Ohio, it will be the shift in electoral college votes that gives him the victory.
With all states remaining as they were in 2000 except New Hampshire went Democrat.
so with these states, in 2000....it would be
Kerry 271
Bush 267
So i figure that since Kerry carries more urban areas and states, so what we have is the population shifting to rural areas and out of the big cities.
Living in one of those cities, one that people are moving out of at an alarming rate, i can see why.
America's cities are in sad shape and until that changes, rural Republicans will have the edge.
thats my pea-brained take on it...
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again, it goes back to what I'm saying about us turning into a country of poorly educated, moronic halfwits.
By "poorly educated," I'm not talking about college or gradschool. I'm talking about making it through high school with a working knowledge of your own country's history and that of the world. Most of the people voting on "moral issues" don't have that, so it's easy to be a simpleton and just vote the way your preacher tells you to.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by grotty:
The constitution dictates a Separation of Church & State. Yet, this President and his party are clearly aligned with the Christian Right. And they remind us every turn.
that's not what the constitution says. it says the govt. shall make no law abridging the right to worship freely, which is different. the "separation of church and state" was devised by jefferson sometime after he was president. [/b]
That is true, the phrase "separation of church and state" does not actually appear anywhere in the Constitution. There is a problem, however, in that some people draw incorrect conclusions from this fact. The absence of this phrase does not mean that it is an invalid concept or that it cannot be used as a legal or judicial principle.
There are any number of important legal concepts which do not appear in the Constitution with the exact phrasing people tend to use. For example, nowhere in the Constitution will you find words like "right to privacy" or even "right to a fair trial." Does this mean that no American citizen has a right to privacy or a fair trial? Does this mean that no judge should ever invoke these rights when reaching a decision?
Of course not - the absence of these specific words does not mean that there is also an absence of these ideas.
The right to a fair trial, for example, is necessitated by what is in the text because what we do find simply makes no moral or legal sense otherwise. What the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution actually says is:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
There is nothing there about a "fair trial," but what should be clear is that this Amendment is setting up the conditions for fair trials: public, speedy, impartial juries, information about the crimes and laws, etc. The Constitution does not specifically say that you have a right to a fair trial, but the rights created only make sense on the premise that a right to a fair trial exists. Thus, if the government found a way to fulfill all of the above obligations while also making a trial unfair, the courts would hold those actions to be unconstitutional.
Similarly, courts have found that the principle of a "religious liberty" exists behind in the First Amendment, even if those words are not actually there:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
The point of such an amendment is twofold. First, it ensures that religious beliefs - private or organized - are removed from attempted government control. This is the reason why the government cannot tell either you or your church what to believe or to teach. Second, it ensures that the government does not get involved with enforcing, mandating, or promoting particular religious doctrines. This is what happens when the government "establishes" a church - and because doing so created so many problems in Europe, the authors of the Constitution wanted to try and prevent the same from happening here.
Can anyone deny that the First Amendment guarantees the principle of religious liberty, even though those words do not appear there? Similarly, the First Amendment guarantees the principle of the separation of church and state - by implication, because separating church and state is what allows religious liberty to exist.
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Basically, what the Democrats need to do is exile the minorities of DC to the Heartland states, and keep building more yuppie condos for all the limosine liberals to come live in DC. Basically, spread out the liberal vote more.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Whats sad is that, if Kerry holds onto New Mexico and Iowa, and Bush ends up winning Ohio, it will be the shift in electoral college votes that gives him the victory.
With all states remaining as they were in 2000 except New Hampshire went Democrat.
so with these states, in 2000....it would be
Kerry 271
Bush 267
So i figure that since Kerry carries more urban areas and states, so what we have is the population shifting to rural areas and out of the big cities.
Living in one of those cities, one that people are moving out of at an alarming rate, i can see why.
America's cities are in sad shape and until that changes, rural Republicans will have the edge.
thats my pea-brained take on it...
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Originally posted by grotty:
The ultimate in Bush's hypocrisy:
Save the fetus! Kill the teenage soldier.
Let us not forget the hypocrisy of many liberals:
Kill the fetus. However, don't kill the convicted murderer.
If the former is hypocritical, the latter certainly is as well. Don't lose sight of that.
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I also question the morals of having all of these other issues on the ballot with the Presidency.
The one in specific is the gay marraige thing. By putting the gay marraige on the ballot and getting more uptight Christians to go and vote for THAT, (and while they're at it, put one down for Bush)
I am sure this was strategically done and the Dems probably did the same, but i think it kinda sucks.
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Originally posted by Summerteeth:
Originally posted by grotty:
The ultimate in Bush's hypocrisy:
Save the fetus! Kill the teenage soldier.
Let us not forget the hypocrisy of many liberals:
Kill the fetus. However, don't kill the convicted murderer.
If the former is hypocritical, the latter certainly is as well. Don't lose sight of that. [/b]
I have no interest in getting into an abortion argument with you. We both know that it's an issue than NEITHER science or religion can resolve.
So reconsider my original pt - let's not worry about unborn fetuses. Or even murderers. Worry about the American soldiers dying everyday for a lie that this president perpetrated, then refused to admit & has no plans for resolving.
No need to worry though - God is on his side.
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Oh I know abortion is a very personal topic. I was just presenting the other side in fairness after you brought it up.
Politically, Republicans and Democrats both love pointing out hypocritical stances by the opposite side, but turn a blind eye on their own hypocritical stances. Its heat-of-passion argumentation, and its unfortunate that that is all politics really is now.
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Originally posted by grotty:
Originally posted by econo:
So what happens when the Greens are the only ones that are in line with your values?
Then you do everything you can to ensure that the ones that are least in line with your values do not take control. [/b]
well said.
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Kosmo: If you think the Patriot Act is scarey, check out the CAPPS II project already underway. If you flew on United Airlines anywhere in the U.S. during June of this year, you're already part of the database! Makes you proud to be an American, oui? How much do you love your Giant and Safeway discount cards? You might want to dump them and start paying cash instead of with an ATM/Bank card. Why? Google "CAPPS II" and find out! Four more years of this, all in the name of "national security."?????!!!! Hmmmm.
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Originally posted by Summerteeth:
Originally posted by grotty:
The ultimate in Bush's hypocrisy:
Save the fetus! Kill the teenage soldier.
Let us not forget the hypocrisy of many liberals:
Kill the fetus. However, don't kill the convicted murderer.
If the former is hypocritical, the latter certainly is as well. Don't lose sight of that. [/b]
Wrong. A fetus is not a life. A convicted felon, even a retarded one, is a life.
I respect life, which means I believe every life should have a chance at health care, education, a job with a living wage, the right to its own religion/life partner. The death penalty is about revenge -- don't think Jesus would be too in to that.
The reason pro-lifers are hypocritical on this is their support of the "sanctity of life" -- even a felon is a life. A life is a life. If they believe a fetus is a life, there's certainly proof, then, that a felon is a life. Even scientific proof of that one.
Oh, maybe it's that the fetus hasn't had a chance to sin against Jesus yet, so it's a more worthy life.
Oops, but isn't a life a life...? Who's to judge worthiness...?
summerteeth -- don't take this as a personal flame; I saw your second post, I'm not trying to attack you -- sorry if it comes off that way. But I don't think it's an apples to apples hypocrisy argument.
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I'm glad you weren't my mommy.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Wrong. A fetus is not a life. A convicted felon, even a retarded one, is a life.
I respect life, which means I believe every life should have a chance at health care, education, a job with a living wage, the right to its own religion/life partner. The death penalty is about revenge -- don't think Jesus would be too in to that.
The reason pro-lifers are hypocritical on this is their support of the "sanctity of life" -- even a felon is a life. A life is a life. If they believe a fetus is a life, there's certainly proof, then, that a felon is a life. Even scientific proof of that one.
Oh, maybe it's that the fetus hasn't had a chance to sin against Jesus yet, so it's a more worthy life.
Oops, but isn't a life a life...? Who's to judge worthiness...?
to defend the defenseless. . .wouldn't you agree that the murderer made the choice to kill? whereas the unborn fetus has no choice?
the basic point is this: you and i make choices everyday. . some people decide that they want to kill someone, and that's illegal, and prosecuted under the laws of that state. people have the choice to commit suicide, etc. as for the fetus, without making a judgement on whether or not that's a "life," the point there is that the fetus can't make a choice.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm glad you weren't my mommy.
I'd never have an abortion.
Change that, if my life were threatened, I'd consider it, but I'd probably risk it.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
to defend the defenseless. . .wouldn't you agree that the murderer made the choice to kill? whereas the unborn fetus has no choice?
people have the choice to commit suicide, etc.
Nope, I don't think people should be killed for their choices. There are PLENTY of punishments available, probably many that are worse. I've never been too keen on punishing via the very crime that is being punished.
Suicide is illegal, by the way. Maybe we should kill those who attempt it.
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Bags: LOLOLOL : Kill those who attempt suicide. You're brilliant!
With regards to the earlier thread: Abortion: Let's think about this: For every abortion, there's a penis involved. Very few in vitro mommies go to abortion clinics...any disagreement there, venerable Board? So, if the penii's (what is the plural of penis?) became MORE involved/responsible/interested in this abortion issue and perhaps more participatory in the results of the - ahem - pregnancy - what then? Okay, I advocated a "nookie boycott" which obviously failed. Now, you born again Christian, extremeist, holier than thou - in charge of the world Republican Christian men - put your penis where your mouths are - You should start rescueing dumpster babies. YOU made this world, you asked for it; stop talking; start acting. More money/tax breaks for adoption/fund homes for unwed mothers /provide prenatal clinics for uninsure mothers/finance prenatal care/ education in high schools. (Since you now believe birth control to be "abortion", you better refocus on indoctrinating/aiding high school kids.) Start putting your money where your mouths are...and quit spending MILLIONS of dollar to speak your message: Start acting your message: Save these unwanted children/dumpster babies/husbandless mothers. You friggin hypocrites! signed: An UNFERTILE but pissed off, loser Democrat woman.
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I'm going out on a limb here, but I bet Bags secretly wishes she was Rhett's mommy...?
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm glad you weren't my mommy.
I'd never have an abortion.
Change that, if my life were threatened, I'd consider it, but I'd probably risk it. [/b]
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Originally posted by Suki:
With regards to the earlier thread: Abortion: Let's think about this: For every abortion, there's a penis involved. Very few in vitro mommies go to abortion clinics...any disagreement there, venerable Board? So, if the penii's (what is the plural of penis?) became MORE involved/responsible/interested in this abortion issue and perhaps more participatory in the results of the - ahem - pregnancy - what then? Okay, I advocated a "nookie boycott" which obviously failed. Now, you born again Christian, extremeist, holier than thou - in charge of the world Republican Christian men - put your penis where your mouths are - You should start rescueing dumpster babies. YOU made this world, you asked for it; stop talking; start acting. More money/tax breaks for adoption/fund homes for unwed mothers /provide prenatal clinics for uninsure mothers/finance prenatal care/ education in high schools. (Since you now believe birth control to be "abortion", you better refocus on indoctrinating/aiding high school kids.) Start putting your money where your mouths are...and quit spending MILLIONS of dollar to speak your message: Start acting your message: Save these unwanted children/dumpster babies/husbandless mothers. You friggin hypocrites! signed: An UNFERTILE but pissed off, loser Democrat woman.
ahhh, a post that could even upset mankie. father's rights, i don't think any men on here would have a problem with a say in the decision. the problem is that for each woman that discusses the situation with their boyfriend/husband, there's another that believes it's her's and only her decision. i congratulate you that you would want the man to take charge in the relationship and tell you what to do.
also, i believe that tax credits have indeed increased for parents that adopt children, and, not to mention, parents that keep children. and you're right, educating teenagers is an excellent step toward unwanted pregnancies, but so is spending money on teaching parents the value of family and being a parent. education starts at home, and you can't expect school to do it for them. . .
what makes you think i'm a born-again right wing christian?
oh, suki, love ya in gilmore girls!
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Originally posted by marquee smith:
I'm going out on a limb here, but I bet Bags secretly wishes she was Rhett's mommy...?
Think of the spanking that would have gone on.... :p
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People on Craig's List are really mad at Ohio (http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rnr/)
Dayum.
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I love it when people start dropping the Nazi Germany comparisons. I also love it when they quote dead presidents.
Originally posted by Random Citizen:
People on Craig's List are really mad at Ohio (http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rnr/)
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Wow, these people make my rants look tame by comparison
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rnr/47888254.html (http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rnr/47888254.html)
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I was going to congratulate you on taking the high road yesterday by not posting any deragatory comments about Elizabeth Edwards. Of course, you blow a load anytime anyone mentions North Carolina so you were probably too busy cleaning up in order to think of an insult for her ;)
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Wow, these people make my rants look tame by comparison
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Why would I make any derogatory comments about someone just diagnosed with breast cancer?
Originally posted by econo:
I was going to congratulate you on taking the high road yesterday by not posting any deragatory comments about Elizabeth Edwards. Of course, you blow a load anytime anyone mentions North Carolina so you were probably too busy cleaning up in order to think of an insult for her ;)
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Wow, these people make my rants look tame by comparison
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Because your modus operandi is to make fun of everything else?
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why would I make any derogatory comments about someone just diagnosed with breast cancer?
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I've made fun of her size before.
Breast cancer isn't something I would make fun of.
Originally posted by econo:
Because your modus operandi is to make fun of everything else?
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why would I make any derogatory comments about someone just diagnosed with breast cancer?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Wow, these people make my rants look tame by comparison
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rnr/47888254.html (http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rnr/47888254.html)
Did you see someone's response (http://cleveland.craigslist.org/rnr/47883556.html) to that?
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Binge at Sizzler... That's hilarious.
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I remember when I was a teacher and one of my fellow teachers was talking to the kids and going on about what a treat going to Sizzler was, and wondering to myself just what the fuck Sizzler was.
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What makes you think i'm a born-again right wing christian?
V.Bede: I'm sorry, I meant to say "Republican man" - your party's platform" is SOOOO patronizing!
Ha, ha...have a man take charge and tell me...???
No wonder many women don't even WANT to get married. You should visit us on the set sometime: I'll personally serve your coffee. ;)
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My wife is fine with me taking charge when it comes to junk like talking to the furnace maintenance guy or ironing my own clothes, or cooking dinner.
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Originally posted by Suki:
What makes you think i'm a born-again right wing christian?
V.Bede: I'm sorry, I meant to say "Republican man" - your party's platform" is SOOOO patronizing!
Ha, ha...have a man take charge and tell me...???
No wonder many women don't even WANT to get married. You should visit us on the set sometime: I'll personally serve your coffee. ;)
the generalizations just keep on coming! i would dare to say that a good 1/4 of the republican party is not born-again right-wing extremist. i can point to guiliani, george pataki, john mccain and so forth. . .there is still some of us left that are economic conservatives and socially moderate. would i rather him actually cut spending, yes. but when a president goes to cut spending, people go into convulsions about how important this or that spending program is.
btw, the way you told norman mailer off in that last episode was soooo hot!
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Thanks, but I thought it would have been more effective if I'd just sat on him...