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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on August 24, 2004, 04:17:00 pm
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In truth, it's the long list for the Shortlist:
TV on the Radio - Desperate Youth, Bloodthirsty Babes
Wilco - A Ghost Is Born
Wrens - Meadowlands
PJ Harvey - Uh Huh Her
Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastrophe Waitress
Scarling - Sweet Heart Dealer
Oceansize - Effloresce
Keb' Mo' - Keep It Simple
The Killers - Hot Fuss
Bob Schneider - I'm Good Now
Patty Griffin - Impossible Dream
David Bowie - Reality
Muse - Absolution
Cesaria Evora - Voz D'Amor
Eagles of Death Metal - Peace Love Death Metal
Bebel Gilberto - Bebel Gilberto
Buckethead - Bucketheadland 2
Bad Acid Trip - Lynch the Weirdo
Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros - Streetcore
Blonde Redhead - Misery Is a Butterfly
Phil Kline - Zippo Songs
Blanche - If We Can't Trust the Doctors
Ghostface Killah - The Pretty Toney Album
Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose
Neil Young - Greendale
Holly Golightly - Truly She Is None Other
Macy Gray - The Trouble With Being Myself
Cee-Lo - Cee-Lo Green Is the Soul Machine
Rufus Wainwright - Want One
Dizzee Rascal - Boy in Da Corner
Nellie McKay - Get Away From Me
Magnetic Fields - i
Patti Smith - Trampin'
Fiery Furnaces - Gallowsbird's Bark
The Secret Machines - Now Here Is Nowhere
Dead Prez - Revolutionary But Gangsta
Slum Village - Detroit Deli: A Taste of Detroit
Amel Larrieux - Bravebird
Josh Ritter - Hello Starling
Devendra Banhart - Rejoicing In the Hands
Ryan Adams - Love Is Hell
Iron & Wine - Our Endless Numbered Days
Jesse Sykes and the Sweet Hereafter - Oh, My Girl
Jem - Finally Woken
Juana Molina - Segundo
The Sleepy Jackson - Lovers
Café Tacuba - Cuatro Caminos
Non Prophets - Hope
A.C. Newman - The Slow Wonder
Teitur - Poetry & Aeroplanes
Jamie Cullum - Twentysomething
The Streets - A Grand Don't Come for Free
Air - Talkie Walkie
Ty - Upwards
Elbow - Cast of Thousands
Galactic - Ruckus
My Morning Jacket - It Still Moves
Simple Kid - 1
Julieta Venegas - Si
Travis - 12 Memories
Gary Jules - Trading Snake Oil for Wolftickets
Van Hunt - Van Hunt
Snow Patrol - Final Straw
The Honorary Title - Anything Else But the Truth
Dios - Dios
Phoenix - Alphabetical
The Weakerthans - Reconstruction Site
Keane - Hopes and Fears
Jaylib - Champion Sound
Melt Banana - Cell-Scape
Peaches - Fatherf---er
The Coral - Nightfreak and the Sons of Becker
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not a bad list if bebel was removed.
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Keb Mo should be on a short list of negroes who need to be shot.
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Shortlist for what?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Keb Mo should be on a short list of negroes who need to be shot.
is this really necessary....
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it's the doodle version of mercury music prize... a big olde award to stimulate sales
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Yes, it is. Anyone who would do this deserves to be shot.
Bluesman Keb' Mo' at first declined to sing "Folsom Prison Blues," saying he was disturbed by the lyrics.
''He said, 'That's a good song, but I can't sing it,' '' Stuart recalled. ''He said, 'That line about ''I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die,'' that turns my stomach.' I said, 'I understand that, so let's change it.' We recorded it, and he changed the line to 'They say I shot a man in Reno, but that was just a lie.' We got it down on the first take, and I said, 'Let me tell you about that line you just changed: That's one of the most sacred lines in country music.' ''
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Keb Mo should be on a short list of negroes who need to be shot.
is this really necessary.... [/b]
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If you want Keb Mo shot for his musical crimes (which isn't without it's merits) then you should've stated "Keb Mo is one artist who should be shot"
"Keb Mo is one negro who should be shot" leads us to think you want him shot because he's a negro. Which I hope is not your feelings.
BTW...is "negro" more or less pc than "black". Just wondering, because I refuse to use the bullshit term "African American"
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No, those were not my feelings.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
"Keb Mo is one negro who should be shot" leads us to think you want him shot because he's a negro. Which I hope is not your feelings.
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less pc. negro went out in like the 60s
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
less pc. negro went out in like the 60s
Thank you, I'll stick with black then.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Wrens - Meadowlands
Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastrophe Waitress
Muse - Absolution
Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros - Streetcore
The Secret Machines - Now Here Is Nowhere
Air - Talkie Walkie
Elbow - Cast of Thousands
Snow Patrol - Final Straw
Keane - Hopes and Fears
I know the top 10 doesn't come out for another couple weeks, but that would be my top ten.
I'm sure the reviewers top 10 will be more diverse with acts like Dizzy Rascal, The Streets and Loretta Lynn added.
And I think the committee will give the prize to Loretta Lynn.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
less pc. negro went out in like the 60s
wrong!
it's back...
http://www.uppity-negro.com (http://www.uppity-negro.com)
anyone see the City Paper a few weeks ago?
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
less pc. negro went out in like the 60s
wrong!
it's back...
http://www.uppity-negro.com (http://www.uppity-negro.com)
anyone see the City Paper a few weeks ago? [/b]
take out the hyphen if you want the right website (uppitynegro.com)
i read about it in CP too.
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Just call me black, thank you. We as a people change nickname like every decade or so, so I don't expect white people (or anyone else for that matter) to keep up with them.
But negro is a bit dated. Just FYI.
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So are mohawks and 80's music, but that doesn't stop some people from wearing them/ listening to it.
Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
But negro is a bit dated. Just FYI.
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True, Rhett. But those people are WRONG.
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good point.
Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
True, Rhett. But those people are WRONG.
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I like my site better...they mention the NYT review of Persepolis 2.
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Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
Just call me black, thank you. We as a people change nickname like every decade or so, so I don't expect white people (or anyone else for that matter) to keep up with them.
But negro is a bit dated. Just FYI.
Let me ask you a question if you don't mind..
How do you feel about the term "African American"? It just seems silly to me. It would be like calling me "Scandavian English" because my ancestors came from there most likely.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
How do you feel about the term "African American"? It just seems silly to me. It would be like calling me "Scandavian English" because my ancestors came from there most likely.
That's my mother's thinking, too. She uses "colored" as a derogatory term towards other blacks because we don't use the n-word. That is verboten.
For me, ideally, I'd rather be known as a chick instead of "the black chick." :)
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We went to the baseball exhibit at the Natural History Museum. On display, they had a newspaper article from some time ago which proclaimed "So and so to be named first black manager."
Yet the person who wrote the caption at the museum wrote "This newspaper shows the announcement that 'so and so will be the first african-american manager'"
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Allow me to answer your question, Bollocks. You see, I'm a lazy person. Saying i'm African American takes too much energy. I'm black. Ahh! So much more simple. You're a scandinavian english american? (okay..) You're white. So much less confusion.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
Just call me black, thank you. We as a people change nickname like every decade or so, so I don't expect white people (or anyone else for that matter) to keep up with them.
But negro is a bit dated. Just FYI.
Let me ask you a question if you don't mind..
How do you feel about the term "African American"? It just seems silly to me. It would be like calling me "Scandavian English" because my ancestors came from there most likely. [/b]
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Originally posted by Celeste:
I like my site better...they mention the NYT review of Persepolis 2.
true, but it also contains links to bad UPN show websites.
-10 points.
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I wonder if the Black Nerd will weigh in on this issue?
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I like playing Shortlist Judge!
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
TV on the Radio - Desperate Youth, Bloodthirsty Babes
Wrens - Meadowlands
Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastrophe Waitress
Blonde Redhead - Misery Is a Butterfly
Fiery Furnaces - Gallowsbird's Bark
Devendra Banhart - Rejoicing In the Hands
Iron & Wine - Our Endless Numbered Days
A.C. Newman - The Slow Wonder
Air - Talkie Walkie
Melt Banana - Cell-Scape
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The Black Nerd told me she lost the password to her login name.
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To my thinking, Black denotes a race.
African American denotes nationalities which is basically what you were saying Bollocks.
For the record, there are White African Americans. They are White people who were citizens of some African country who then became American citizens. All the more proof that the term African American isn't really the best of terms to use when specifying someone's race.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
No, those were not my feelings.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
"Keb Mo is one negro who should be shot" leads us to think you want him shot because he's a negro. Which I hope is not your feelings.
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cause you have no feelings do you Rhett, you cold little man.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Yet the person who wrote the caption at the museum wrote "This newspaper shows the announcement that 'so and so will be the first african-american manager'"
I was watching a hockey game one time (big surprise) and the announcer was speaking of the first African-American hockey player to get a hat trick, and then stated that he was from British Columbia.
go Fox Sports Net
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Isn't Canada part of North America?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Isn't Canada part of North America?
so the Blacks in Brazil are african-american too?
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No, and Brazil is in South America the last time I checked.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Isn't Canada part of North America?
so the Blacks in Brazil are african-american too? [/b]
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No, they're Brasilian-American. Just like how you're Camerican. In fact, my new name for Canada is Camerica.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
so the Blacks in Brazil are african-american too?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
No, and Brazil is in South America the last time I checked.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Isn't Canada part of North America?
so the Blacks in Brazil are african-american too? [/b]
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But it's still AMERICA.
The term isn't "African Northern American"...is it? Maybe it should be.... ;)
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Is New England part of the UK?
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
No, and Brazil is in South America the last time I checked.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Isn't Canada part of North America?
so the Blacks in Brazil are african-american too? [/b]
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But it's still AMERICA.
The term isn't "African Northern American"...is it? Maybe it should be.... ;) [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
No, and Brazil is in South America the last time I checked.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Isn't Canada part of North America?
so the Blacks in Brazil are african-american too? [/b]
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my point exactly, rhett you fool.
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Originally posted by econo:
No, they're Brasilian-American. Just like how you're Camerican. In fact, my new name for Canada is Camerica.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
so the Blacks in Brazil are african-american too?
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i am not ANY american goddamnit. I am a damn Canadian "living" in America (and not for long either!)
and you can call is Camerica if you want, but that just proves how much Americans wish they were as good as Canadians.
i can see why you are jealous!
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Let's be honest, Canada is really just a semi-autonomous region of the United States. If not for government-imposed Canadiana content in the media, Canadian culture wouldn't exist.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Let's be honest, Canada is really just a semi-autonomous region of the United States. If not for government-imposed Canadiana content in the media, Canadian culture wouldn't exist.
actually, the Canadian govt is the only ones who want to be American. And thats not even true. canadians and thier govt know that, to be on America's good side and to get all of thier generous benefits, you have to pretend to want to be like them!!! (see Great Britian, only we live right next door!)
Canada has taken the freedoms and liberties associated with being American, and left out the world dominating, world power hungry natures that make the US look like a mean greedy jerk.
:)
and at least we win the gold medal in our own conutry's "pasttime" not to mention we are badass Canoers!
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
That's one of the most sacred lines in country music.' ''
was it worse than when they changed it from the Winston cup to the Nextel cup?
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<img src="http://www.cowboyoutfit.co.uk/b3/canadian.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Keb Mo should be on a short list of negroes who need to be shot.
Rhett, you make me so sick I can't even comment. Asshole.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Let's be honest, Canada is really just a semi-autonomous region of the United States. If not for government-imposed Canadiana content in the media, Canadian culture wouldn't exist.
So what exactly is American culture then?
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There. I did my job of shaking things up. Thanks for helping me to succeed.
Mankie was right. I should have said, "Keb Mo is one artist who shoulf be shot." That was my feeling, and I'm sticking by it.
I think Mr. Moore does call attention to his race by changing his name from Kevin Moore to "Keb Mo", thereby making it blacker sounding...as well as pandering to pc-ism by changing the lyrics (god forbid a black man say he shot a man just to watch him die.
Yes, Mr Moore calls attention to his race, but I shouldn't have. My bad.
Originally posted by dotdot:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Keb Mo should be on a short list of negroes who need to be shot.
Rhett, you make me so sick I can't even comment. Asshole. [/b]
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
So what exactly is American culture then?
<img src="http://www.outthere.nildram.co.uk/mr_big.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Budweiser and cheese sandwiches. And don't you forget it.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
So what exactly is American culture then?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and you can call is Camerica if you want, but that just proves how much Americans wish they were as good as Canadians.
i can see why you are jealous!
Americans wanna be as good as Canadians, according to the Olympics, we aleady are....by far.
Total Medals Gold Silver Bronze
United States 77 25 29 23
Canada 7 2 4 1
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and at least we win the gold medal in our own conutry's "pasttime" not to mention we are badass Canoers!
And you have Bryan Adams :roll: . Sorry, had to throw a South Park line in there.
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Originally posted by dotdot:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Keb Mo should be on a short list of negroes who need to be shot.
Rhett, you make me so sick I can't even comment. Asshole. [/b]
I wonder if this person will get as chastized as I did when I called someone a bi#$h last week?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by dotdot:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Keb Mo should be on a short list of negroes who need to be shot.
Rhett, you make me so sick I can't even comment. Asshole. [/b]
I wonder if this person will get as chastized as I did when I called someone a bi#$h last week? [/b]
I doubt it because Rhett really is an asshole. :)
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and you can call is Camerica if you want, but that just proves how much Americans wish they were as good as Canadians.
i can see why you are jealous!
Americans wanna be as good as Canadians, according to the Olympics, we aleady are....by far.
Total Medals Gold Silver Bronze
United States 77 25 29 23
Canada 7 2 4 1 [/b]
Except for that little ice hockey thing, and that's all they care about.
Most of your medals were won by AFRICAN Americans anyway, so Africa should be credited with half and America with half.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Most of your medals were won by AFRICAN Americans anyway, so Africa should be credited with half and America with half.
<img src="http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2004/03/07/teresa-kerry-inside.jpg" alt=" - " />
African American?
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Calling someone an asshole is apparently acceptable. Calling someone a bitch or a porky midget is apparently not.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by dotdot:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Keb Mo should be on a short list of negroes who need to be shot.
Rhett, you make me so sick I can't even comment. Asshole. [/b]
I wonder if this person will get as chastized as I did when I called someone a bi#$h last week? [/b]
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Most of your medals were won by AFRICAN Americans anyway, so Africa should be credited with half and America with half. [/QB]
Well that means Africa and The U.S. would both have more than Canada. Heck, Cuba has more medals than Canada.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Most of your medals were won by AFRICAN Americans anyway, so Africa should be credited with half and America with half. [/b]
Well that means Africa and The U.S. would both have more than Canada. Heck, Cuba has more medals than Canada. [/QB]
its only summer there for 2 months goddamnit! its too cold to be running and what not all year around!
at least we qualified in BASEBALL!
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and you can call is Camerica if you want, but that just proves how much Americans wish they were as good as Canadians.
i can see why you are jealous!
Americans wanna be as good as Canadians, according to the Olympics, we aleady are....by far.
Total Medals Gold Silver Bronze
United States 77 25 29 23
Canada 7 2 4 1 [/b]
how about the ASSHOLE Olympics
Total Medals Gold Silver Bronze
United States 77 25 29 23
Canada 7 2 4 1
.....looks about the same sorta. I guess you guys ARE better.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Most of your medals were won by AFRICAN Americans anyway, so Africa should be credited with half and America with half.
<img src="http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2004/03/07/teresa-kerry-inside.jpg" alt=" - " />
African American? [/b]
Hopefully Kerry will win and Jesse Jackson and his sheep will shut their pie-holes about having one in the Whitehouse.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and you can call is Camerica if you want, but that just proves how much Americans wish they were as good as Canadians.
i can see why you are jealous!
Americans wanna be as good as Canadians, according to the Olympics, we aleady are....by far.
Total Medals Gold Silver Bronze
United States 77 25 29 23
Canada 7 2 4 1 [/b]
how about the ASSHOLE Olympics
Total Medals Gold Silver Bronze
United States 77 25 29 23
Canada 7 2 4 1
.....looks about the same sorta. I guess you guys ARE better. [/b]
Oh, the doodles would have many, many more medals than that in those olympics. There's 100 Senators for starters!
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You're wrong.
The vast majority of medals have been won by whites.
http://www.nbcolympics.com/medals/1570100/detail.html (http://www.nbcolympics.com/medals/1570100/detail.html)
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Most of your medals were won by AFRICAN Americans anyway, so Africa should be credited with half and America with half.
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Hey, did anyone see that the Shortlist Award nominees were announced the other day? Oh wait....
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Oh, the doodles would have many, many more medals than that in those olympics. There's 100 Senators for starters! [/QB]
And a few on this board, oh wait, those are brit's. :D
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ok - back to the list...
Fiery Furnaces - Gallowsbird's Bark
How does this compare to Blueberry Boat ? I bought BB a couple weeks ago and have a real hard time getting through it.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Oh, the doodles would have many, many more medals than that in those olympics. There's 100 Senators for starters! [/b]
And a few on this board, oh wait, those are brit's. :D [/QB]
Actually Brennser is from S. Ireland which isn't considered Britain (yet). ;)
Lulu is Scottish and God only knows what they are, they dont' even know themselves anymore.....so we're left with Markie.
Britain gets one gold in the Asshole Olympics!
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
You're wrong.
The vast majority of medals have been won by whites.
http://www.nbcolympics.com/medals/1570100/detail.html (http://www.nbcolympics.com/medals/1570100/detail.html)
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Most of your medals were won by AFRICAN Americans anyway, so Africa should be credited with half and America with half.
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sometimes you are really pitiful
where does it say their race? or do you have enough time to look at them ALL!
other than swimming and gymnastics i thought most of the Americans looked non=white.
but all my neighbors are Asians and Mexicans, so thats American to me!
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm sensing some anger on this board.
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Rowing, sailing, fencing, equestrian, water polo, beach volleyball......
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
other than swimming and gymnastics i thought most of the Americans looked non=white.
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people care more about the olympics more than the shortlist? if it was a fight about football (either one), that's one thing...
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That's just sonickteam2. He's naturally angry. Just look at his homepage (http://www.sonickteam.50megs.com/index.html)
Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
Maybe it's just me, but I'm sensing some anger on this board.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
That's just sonickteam2. He's naturally angry. Just look at his homepage (http://www.sonickteam.50megs.com/index.html)
Is anyone else afraid to click on that link while at work?
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Completely worksafe.
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Is anyone else afraid to click on that link while at work?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
but all my neighbors are Asians and Mexicans, so thats American to me! [/b]
You live in Wheaton/Aspen Hill too??? Pop round for a beer sometime.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Rowing, sailing, fencing, equestrian, water polo, beach volleyball......
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
other than swimming and gymnastics i thought most of the Americans looked non=white.
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I wonder why the brotha's or sista's don't do water sports or cycling?
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Rowing, sailing, fencing, equestrian, water polo, beach volleyball......
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
other than swimming and gymnastics i thought most of the Americans looked non=white.
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I wonder why the brotha's or sista's don't do water sports or cycling? [/b]
Maybe it has something (i'm sure very little, though) to do with trying to manage their hair after it gets wet. Most black women have hair that gets big, tangly and unmanagable when moisture gets to it. But i know that can't be the only reason.
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Maybe because a vast majority of them aren't in wealthy enough schools/areas to have swimming programs, and most can't afford the expensive bicycle equipment.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Rowing, sailing, fencing, equestrian, water polo, beach volleyball......
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
other than swimming and gymnastics i thought most of the Americans looked non=white.
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I wonder why the brotha's or sista's don't do water sports or cycling? [/b]
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Yeah, what Rhett siad. :D
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Actually Brennser is from S. Ireland which isn't considered Britain (yet). ;)
Lulu is Scottish and God only knows what they are, they dont' even know themselves anymore.....so we're left with Markie.
Britain gets one gold in the Asshole Olympics!
I just got my UK passport, so that makes 2, but I don't consider myself British, an asshole sometimes yes
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most can't afford the expensive bicycle equipment.
I'm regularly astounded at the cost of bike gear and bikes - unbelievable
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;)
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Originally posted by brennser:
most can't afford the expensive bicycle equipment.
I'm regularly astounded at the cost of bike gear and bikes - unbelievable [/b]
It's no more expensive than Air Nikes, Starter Jackets, Phat Pharm, Tommy whatsisface and all that other crap, and the young black kids have no problem finding the dough for that stuff.
Besides, Lance Armstrong came from a low income single parent home with a deadbeat dad and he figured it out.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Actually Brennser is from S. Ireland which isn't considered Britain (yet). ;)
Lulu is Scottish and God only knows what they are, they dont' even know themselves anymore.....so we're left with Markie.
Britain gets one gold in the Asshole Olympics!
I just got my UK passport, so that makes 2, but I don't consider myself British, an asshole sometimes yes [/b]
Welcome to the brotherhood....we are honoured to have you with us my comrade.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Welcome to the brotherhood....we are honoured to have you with us my comrade.
thanks
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Welcome to the brotherhood....we are honoured to have you with us my comrade.
thanks [/b]
You're welcome!
Just think, like myself you are doodle and brit so officially a "know-it-all arrogant (doodle) asshole (brit)" Technically it's 'arsehole' but we'll stay with the yank version for today.
It's takes a special person to reach those heights.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Welcome to the brotherhood....we are honoured to have you with us my comrade.
thanks [/b]
Wait, I don't get it, when did you become a Brit? Via one of your parents?
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Originally posted by redsock:
Wait, I don't get it, when did you become a Brit? Via one of your parents?
Both my parents are English, as are my brothers, I was first in the family born in the US
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Originally posted by pollard:
I just got my UK passport, so that makes 2, but I don't consider myself British, an asshole sometimes yes
Wait. Did we trade Pollard for Markie? The Americans lost out on that deal by far....
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by redsock:
Wait, I don't get it, when did you become a Brit? Via one of your parents?
Both my parents are English, as are my brothers, I was first in the family born in the US [/b]
Wow, that explains a lot.
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The Finalists:
TV on the Radio - Desperate Youth, Bloodthirsty Babes
Franz Ferdinand - S/T
Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose
Dizzee Rascal - Boy in Da Corner
Nellie McKay - Get Away From Me s
Wilco - A Ghost is Born
Ghostface - The Pretty Toney Album
The Streets - A Grand Don't Come for Free
Air - Walkie Talkie
The Killers - Hot Fuss
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go Nellie
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I noticed that the Wilco album is now for sale at your local Starbucks.
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It's gotta be Franz...
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My prediction survives the first round....
As much as I hate to say it, it will be Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose.
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It should have been The Wrens.
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From the NY Times (show is on MTV2 on Nov 15 I think....)
November 7, 2004
Honoring the Unheard (Listen Up, Fat Cats)
By JEFF LEEDS
The New York Times
Los Angeles -- LOOKING back at the highlights from the short life of the Shortlist Music Prize, which he and his partner Tom Sarig founded, Greg Spotts has to admit things don't always go according to plan. "There's no cue cards," he shrugs. Like the time last year when the singer-songwriter Conor Oberst denounced Clear Channel Communications, the radio, concert and advertising giant, while onstage at the company's Wiltern theater here. Or the year before, when the producer Pharrell Williams ranted to the crowd about how his record company, Virgin Records, had botched the marketing of his band's debut CD, shocking the label employees who'd shown up to applaud his performance.
It's the sort of behavior that might earn a lifetime ban from the Grammys. But those moments perfectly capture the spirit of the Shortlist prize and its awards concert, which its founders have trumpeted for four years as a counterweight to the rest of the industry's offerings. Most awards shows are tightly scripted, slickly produced affairs and focus on the biggest, most commercial stars. But the Shortlist follows the opposite logic: only CD's that have shipped fewer than half a million copies are eligible.
This year's finalists are the rapper Ghostface Killah, the country legend Loretta Lynn, the singer-songwriter Nellie McKay, the rock bands the Killers and TV on the Radio, the French electronica duo Air, the Scottish rock band Franz Ferdinand, the rootsy rockers Wilco, and the British rappers the Streets and Dizzee Rascal.
It's a list that could serve as index of hipster music for the last 12 months. The 10 finalists cover a diversity of genres, or at least diversity as an indie-rock fan might interpret that term. For example Ms. Lynn's album, a collaboration with Jack White of the rock band the White Stripes, didn't attract much notice from country fans or the Nashville establishment, but it was a must-have for the rock intelligentsia.
These are artists who, for the most part, don't seem desperate for - or, in any case, destined for - multiplatinum sales, pop radio ubiquity and video channel rotation. The artist DJ Shadow, performing at the annual concert two years ago, jokingly described the awards show lineup as "a cavalcade of losers." But its profile is rising and expectations are high for this year's show, scheduled for Nov. 15. Its producers say the success of these unusual awards constitutes a repudiation of the standard pop machinery.
"The focus of the business has really left the area of developing people," Mr. Spotts said, "like the Bob Dylans and Bruce Springsteens and U2's of the future."
Still, Mr. Spotts concedes that the premise of the prize itself is to showcase lesser known talents. "The focus on drawing from the obscure puts some kind of cap on how far we can take it,'' Mr. Spotts said. "The ultimate challenge is to see how far you can get with talent that's on-deck for being big, rather than being in the batter's box."
"If industry people cared about it, and promoted it, it would defeat the Shortlist and what it's about,'' said Will.I.Am, who was one of the panel of judges this year and is a member of the pop band Black Eyed Peas.
Mr. Spotts and Mr. Sarig, both of whom also work as talent managers (for record producers and recording artists, respectively), said they had created the Shortlist after becoming frustrated in an industry that seemed to be increasingly focused on the big opening week sales figures of acts like Britney Spears and 'N Sync. "People that see life that way are going to see what we're doing as not that interesting," Mr. Spotts said.
Unlike the Grammy trophies or the American Music Awards, the Shorty has no ties to an established institution like the recording academy or Dick Clark. So Mr. Sarig and Mr. Spotts rely instead on the prestige and perceived taste of their nominating committee, composed of 20 musicians, celebrities and music journalists.
This year the committee included Robert Smith of the Cure, 3D of Massive Attack, the musicians John Mayer and Norah Jones, the actor Jack Black (who is also one half of the rock-comedy duo Tenacious D), the radio DJ Nic Harcourt and the film director Jim Jarmusch.
Ms. Jones, who is participating for the first time, said, "I think it's important this level of music is getting recognized. This is the kind of music I listen to. I don't listen to pop radio. There's people out there who just listen to whatever's on the radio. I don't think they're stupid. They're just busy. This is a great way to reach those people."
Some have scoffed that the idea of a public awards show geared to insiders is a bit precious, but the organizers insist it makes good sense. "We're not so pretentious as to claim these are the absolute best records of the year," Mr. Sarig said recently. "We're just saying, here's 10 records that are really creative and are probably worth checking out. We don't want to be this ivory tower award. We want to be something that actually builds fan bases by bringing attention to these artists."
Still, the concept can be a tough sell to the major record companies, who devote most of their energy to releases that easily fit into popular radio formats and the racks of mass retailers like Wal-Mart and Target. If executives catch even a whiff of mainstream success for one of their off-center artists, the semiprestige of the Shortlist becomes no longer a priority. In fact the Killers and Franz Ferdinand, both with hits on the radio, won't be coming off tour to attend the awards show, the organizers were told.
But Errol Kolosine, general manager of Astralwerks Records, which releases music by Air and other acts, said the Shortlist has a definite value. "Do I think it's a force to be reckoned with yet? Not necessarily," he said. But he added that it is an important development: "We do need more indicators pointing to these kinds of records." At the very least, some label executives say, the event can be a last ditch chance to squeeze sales out of specialty or niche releases.
Mr. Sarig said that so far the event has lost money each year, but he and other organizers hope to change that and turn it into a musical version of the Sundance Film Festival.
For the winner, the rewards are already well established: in addition to a $10,000 check from XM Satellite Radio, the event's sponsor, all previous award recipients - N.E.R.D., the Icelandic band Sigur Ros, and the Irish singer Damien Rice - have experienced an increase in sales. Two weeks before he won last year, Mr. Rice's album "O" had sold about 40,000 copies; it has now sold more than 300,000, according to Nielsen SoundScan data.
As the first step in selecting this year's nominees, each of the committee members created a list of up to seven CD's from the last 12 months. The lists were in many ways unpredictable. Despite their country origins, the Dixie Chicks, for example, passed over Loretta Lynn and instead nominated the Brazilian pop star Bebel Gilberto. Next, the members chose the 10 finalists that constitute the Shortlist. A final round of balloting determines the winner.
In previous years, the organizers held a dinner on the night of the awards concert where the members would deliberate like a jury until they agreed. That made for some impassioned (translation: boozy) quarrels. The first year, Mr. Sarig recalled, the committee members split on racial lines, one side favoring Sigur Ros, the other Talib Kweli. But last year, Mr. Sarig said, about half the listmakers skipped the dinner. This year, the voting will be conducted by ballot.
By aiming their award at left-field music, of course, the organizers have assured themselves a spot in the debates about just how artsy and obscure is artsy and obscure enough. Last year's choice of Mr. Rice, for example, drew a few catcalls from critics who insisted it was too sleepy for a program that aspires to be adventurous. On the fringes of the popular music scene, there may simply be no pleasing some people.
For the second year, the awards program - which will feature performances by Air, Nellie McKay, TV on the Radio and Dizzee Rascal - will be turned into a special for MTV's junior spinoff, MTV2. It will also be accompanied, for the first time, by the commercial release of a compilation CD with tracks from the 10 finalists, along with a handful of songs from other critically acclaimed acts like Café Tacuba and Ryan Adams.
For the organizers, the trick may now be expanding their franchise without sacrificing legitimacy.
"I think the most important thing about the Shortlist is that it remain an entity, in the long term, that is an alternative," Mr. Kolosine of Astralwerks said, adding, "There are always going to be artists laboring away in obscurity making great music."
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The winner will be announced tonight during the special concert. MTV2 airs a wrap-up of the ceremony on 11/20.
I'm guessing the winner will be TV on the Radio.
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Not to be a snob, but is Wilco very "left field"? Don't get me wrong, I like Wilco, but it seems like the panel didn't dig very deeply beyond what's getting fairly wide exposure already.
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How "left field" is Franz Ferdinand? I would say the new Wilco is more "left field" than FF.
Mind you, I like neither of them.
Originally posted by bellenseb:
Not to be a snob, but is Wilco very "left field"? Don't get me wrong, I like Wilco, but it seems like the panel didn't dig very deeply beyond what's getting fairly wide exposure already.
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Originally posted by bellenseb:
but it seems like the panel didn't dig very deeply beyond what's getting fairly wide exposure already.
Have you seen the complete long list (http://www.shortlistofmusic.com/artists/?c=4)? A lot of the artists on that list are getting little to no exposure. Unless you're listening to stations like WOXY, SomaFM, KEXP or KRCW, a good portion of those on the list, not counting the likes of PJ Harvey, David Bowie and AIR, aren't getting mainstream exposure.
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True that. I guess I'm disappointed that the finalists are so predictable, or perhaps that bands as well known and media-lavished as Wilco and FF were even options.
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Originally posted by bellenseb:
True that. I guess I'm disappointed that the finalists are so predictable, or perhaps that bands as well known and media-lavished as Wilco and FF were even options.
Whuh? Most people hadn't heard of Franz Ferdinand until a few months ago. But, then again, perhaps the shortlist is predictable because they were genuinely great albums?
Air â?? TALKIE WALKIE (Astralwerks)
Dizzee Rascal â?? BOY IN DA CORNER (Matador/XL)
Franz Ferdinand â?? FRANZ FERDINAND (Domino/Epic)
Ghostface Killah â?? THE PRETTY TONEY ALBUM (Def Jam)
The Killers â?? HOT FUSS (Island)
Loretta Lynn â?? VAN LEAR ROSE (Interscope)
Nellie McKay â?? GET AWAY FROM ME (Columbia)
The Streets â?? A GRAND DONâ??T COME FOR FREE (Vice)
TV On the Radio â?? DESPERATE YOUTH, BLOODTHIRSTY BABES (Touch & Go)
Wilco â?? A GHOST IS BORN (Nonesuch)
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Most people hadn't heard of Franz Ferdinand until a few months ago, because they had never put out an album until 8 months ago. Duh!
Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Originally posted by bellenseb:
True that. I guess I'm disappointed that the finalists are so predictable, or perhaps that bands as well known and media-lavished as Wilco and FF were even options.
Whuh? Most people hadn't heard of Franz Ferdinand until a few months ago. But, then again, perhaps the shortlist is predictable because they were genuinely great albums?
Air â?? TALKIE WALKIE (Astralwerks)
Dizzee Rascal â?? BOY IN DA CORNER (Matador/XL)
Franz Ferdinand â?? FRANZ FERDINAND (Domino/Epic)
Ghostface Killah â?? THE PRETTY TONEY ALBUM (Def Jam)
The Killers â?? HOT FUSS (Island)
Loretta Lynn â?? VAN LEAR ROSE (Interscope)
Nellie McKay â?? GET AWAY FROM ME (Columbia)
The Streets â?? A GRAND DONâ??T COME FOR FREE (Vice)
TV On the Radio â?? DESPERATE YOUTH, BLOODTHIRSTY BABES (Touch & Go)
Wilco â?? A GHOST IS BORN (Nonesuch) [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Most people hadn't heard of Franz Ferdinand until a few months ago, because they had never put out an album until 8 months ago. Duh!
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Brilliant.
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I think the Killers should win this one.
or maybe its some sick infatuation with this album as of late...
shit, i told myself not to tell anyone i like this disc.....
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I think the Killers should win this one.
shit, i told myself not to tell anyone i like this disc.....
Just quoting ya in case you decide to delete your words. ;)
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I think the Killers should win this one.
shit, i told myself not to tell anyone i like this disc.....
Just quoting ya in case you decide to delete your words. ;) [/b]
thanks damnit.
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My point being that indeed they HAVE been lavished with media attention in the months since the album was released.
Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Most people hadn't heard of Franz Ferdinand until a few months ago, because they had never put out an album until 8 months ago. Duh!
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Brilliant. [/b]
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I'm sticking by my words that Keb Mo should be shot, and Nellie McKay will win.
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It's just amusing that the shortlist is essentially what the likes of Norah Jones think is "underground".
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Once upon a time, Norah Jones WAS underground.
I'll bet she has a great record collection.
Originally posted by bellenseb:
It's just amusing that the shortlist is essentially what the likes of Norah Jones think is "underground".
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TV on the Radio wins the Shortlist 2004 Award (http://www.shortlistofmusic.com/articles/?id=50)
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well if any band deserves the "exposure" of this "award" TVOTR is it...
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm sticking by my words that Keb Mo should be shot, and Nellie McKay will win.
are you trying to kill ANOTHEr black man, Grand Wizard Rhett?
;)
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
TV on the Radio wins the Shortlist 2004 Award (http://www.shortlistofmusic.com/articles/?id=50)
glad to hear it. TV on the Radio is very deserving. Can't wait to see them open for Pixies.
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that song "New Health Rock" sounds like Outkast.
just an observation.
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Disagreement Puts Shortlist Prize On Hold (http://billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001479353)
November 14, 2005, 3:50 PM ET
In its four-year history, the Shortlist Music Prize has become a coveted industry honor, shining a spotlight on artists who have made exceptional albums that have fallen under the mainstream radar. But its future remains in doubt as its creators wrangle over the future of the organization.
Usually given out in Los Angeles in the fall, the Shortlist prize will not be awarded this year. Instead, co-founder Tom Sarig has a new award to replace it: the New Pantheon, which, like the Shortlist, will be determined by an eclectic jury of musicians, performers and journalists.
"I thought starting with a new entity with a sort of bolder initiative would be a fresh way to do it," Sarig said. Among the celebrity judges for the award are Dave Matthews, Elton John, Keith Urban, Shirley Manson, actor Elijah Wood and Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson of the Roots.
"The idea is very similar. It's shining a light on an honoring the most creative and most artistic records of the new year," Sarig said.
The former MCA executive, who's now a manager and label consultant, said the interests of himself and co-founder Greg Spotts had changed and they had mutually, and amicably, decided not to continue Shortlist.
Spotts acknowledged that he has been less involved with music. He's gotten into political commentary, made the 2003 documentary "American Jobs" and is releasing a book about the making of the recent documentary critical of Wal-Mart. Still, he expressed surprise at the new prize and said Shortlist was very much alive.
"The only reason why we haven't put on a Shortlist this year is because Tom and I don't seem to be able to agree on how," he said. "It seems to be just like as bands get more successful, the egos get more complicated to manage. That same process seems to be happening with the management with our company."
The Shortlist Music Prize, created by the pair in 2001, mirrored London's Mercury Prize in that it honored albums that were critically acclaimed but had not achieved widespread commercial success. Those nominated sold less than 500,000 copies, and most acts were more familiar to alternative music fans.
The previous winners were Icelandic band Sigur Ros, Irish singer/songwriter Damien Rice, the Pharrell-fronted hip-hop/rock hybrid, N.E.R.D., and TV On The Radio. Besides the honor, a cash prize of up to $10,000 was awarded.
Over the years, while it helped boost the profile of its nominees and winners, Shortlist also raised its own; just being nominated for a Shortlist gave an artist cache, and last year, the show was broadcast on MTV2 for the first time.
But Sarig said that while the award was well-known within media and industry circles, he wanted it to have more of an impact with the average fan. "We feel a lot of credibility, but we haven't penetrated the consumer world yet and I think with New Pantheon, with the initiatives that I'm planning, we can totally do that," he said, saying he hoped to announce TV, radio and Internet partnerships in the coming weeks.
Spotts said he would take legal action if Sarig went ahead with his plans: "That isn't something that I feel is legally possible for him ... you can't compete against a company that you co-own." Sarig said his agreement with Spotts did not include a non-compete clause and he was perfectly within his legal rights to create a new prize.
What both men agree on is that the Shortlist Music Prize will remain in limbo until both agree on its future. "I've tried very, very hard to have a Shortlist this year," Spotts said. "I think it's become an important cultural happening on the calendar."
Sarig said while he was proud of the Shortlist, he didn't want the idea behind it to become lost in its problems. Finalists for the New Pantheon will be announced in December, and the award will be revealed shortly before the Feb. 8 Grammys. "I am more committed to this vision of trying to create a platform for left-of-center music than ever," he said.