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Title: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Celeste on September 02, 2003, 05:44:00 pm
1. I hate drums and drum circles
 2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
 3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller's solo show, as much as I like him
 4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
 5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
 6. White people really can't dance
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 05:49:00 pm
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  1. I hate drums and drum circles
 2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
 3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller's solo show, as much as I like him
 4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
 5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
 6. White people really can't dance
1. Definitely mood music.
 2. Depending on the band, I'd probably have to agree with you on that one. *(See comments below.)
 3. No comment. I'm in no position to know but can understand.
 4. It took you that long to figure that out!!!!?????
 5. It's the chicken and the milk. All of those hormones they feed the chickens and the cows.
 6. That's not true.....but there is a larger percentage of White people who can't dance as oppossed to Blacks.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Bags on September 02, 2003, 05:59:00 pm
I do not have a clue what "emo" is supposed to identify.  Apparently Dismemberment Plan are emo.  And Get Up Kids are emo.  And At the Drive-In, and Jimmy Eat World.  ???
 
 I hear you on the Seattle dress...it's a very fine line between rebelling and conforming.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 06:02:00 pm
The art-rock term is the one that sometimes throws me. I was thinking in terms of the really sloppy art school type of bands who are just learning to plan with their insturments. Then I realized that sometimes there are some very good bands who sometimes fall in that category such as Roxy Music or even King Crimson who are superb.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Celeste on September 02, 2003, 06:09:00 pm
Well, maybe I got the "emo" and "art-rock" tags wrong...I DO like Death Cab, but Minus the Bear and The Pale were two bands specifically that we saw that I would call at least emo-ish that were pretty weak.
 
 As far as "art-rock" in this case, I'd be referring to the Dandy Warhols...
 
 Overall, for the acts we were able to see, Bobby Bare, Jr.'s band, Mary Lou Lord and Grey DeLisle were the best...I was really surprised I like Bare and Mary Lou lord so much.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: kosmo vinyl on September 02, 2003, 06:11:00 pm
What the heck *is* emo, anyway? (http://www.fourfa.com/)
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 06:15:00 pm
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  Well, maybe I got the "emo" and "art-rock" tags wrong...I DO like Death Cab, but Minus the Bear and The Pale were two bands specifically that we saw that I would call at least emo-ish that were pretty weak.
 
 As far as "art-rock" in this case, I'd be referring to the Dandy Warhols...
 
 Overall, for the acts we were able to see, Bobby Bare, Jr.'s band, Mary Lou Lord and Grey DeLisle were the best...I was really surprised I like Bare and Mary Lou lord so much.
Then I must alter #2. Give me art-rock anyday over all of those genres mentioned but Emo sucks....in my opinion.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: walkman on September 02, 2003, 06:25:00 pm
I think bands like the D-Plan can beat the emo tag...I'd put them and Minus the Bear in a different group than Jimmy Eat World (ie punk/art vs punk/pop).  Plus emo is (by definition?) whiny.  See Dashboard Confessional for more info.
 
 I love the Dandys, but I don't think of them as art rock.  They're pretty conventional in a lot of ways, and certainly not cerebral...more indie party music than college rock.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 07:03:00 pm
hey Celeste,
 
 who wants big saggy tits anyway, well apart from me  ;)  
 
 <before Mankie says it, yes I am a big tit>
 
 why didnt you like the dandy warhols?
 
 They have been lots of things, stupid, psychadelic, rock, pop, pretentious, fucked off of their faces, but never art rock.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 02, 2003, 07:06:00 pm
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  1. I hate drums and drum circles
 2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
 3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller's solo show, as much as I like him
 4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
 5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
 6. White people really can't dance
yeah, who likes drums anyway.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: markie on September 02, 2003, 07:11:00 pm
I think Rhett would fit right in, actually, isnt that him in the back, middle, rightish, standing up playing his drum?
 
   <img src="http://www.newview.org/salem/photos/daw_drum_circle_small.jpg" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Jaguär on September 02, 2003, 07:15:00 pm
The one with the tits?
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: paige on September 02, 2003, 07:16:00 pm
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  1. I hate drums and drum circles
 2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
 3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller, as much as I like him, I want a divorce
 4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
 5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
 6. White people really can't dance
divorce already? sad times.
 
 drums are not bad, but drum circles are pure, unadulterated evil. i hate them with a passion.
 
 art-rock and emo are so overused, misguided and too defining that i try not to slap those terms on bands unless im' being wryly sarcastic in making fun of them. remember - rites of spring was one of the first true "emo" bands, and look how they sounded.
 
 as much chicken as i have eaten, i dont think i have breasts that are monumental (like the masticized utters that poor dairy farm cows live with.) but i take that into my favor, as i won't have killing back pain or too much sagging skin to deal with as i age.
 
 i am so bored it's insane.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Celeste on September 02, 2003, 07:53:00 pm
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
  hey Celeste,
 
 who wants big saggy tits anyway, well apart from me   ;)  
 
 <before Mankie says it, yes I am a big tit>
 
 why didnt you like the dandy warhols?
 
 They have been lots of things, stupid, psychadelic, rock, pop, pretentious, fucked off of their faces, but never art rock.
well, I wasn't griping about the bigger tits, I was just making an observation...I enjoy my relative increased mobility and savings on undergarments because of my tighter packaging...anyhoo...on to the Warhols...
 
 I thought I could call them art tock because they seem to have that velvet underground, ambient experimental ooziness to their show...I'm probably speaking of that which I know very little...but, I'll say this...they did a 45 minute obnoxious sound check, and then just cranked their shit so incredibly loud that I couldn't even be in the same exhbition hall with earplugs in and stand it (and I'm fairly tolerant for loud music) I was really looking forward to their show because I kindof can dig their poppy songs that actually have a verse chorus verse thing going on and I can follow...but their set was like all vibes and stuff for as long as I could stand to stay there...kinda like the same deal as the latest Yo La Tengo, which I also could not bear...oh well...maybe I'm just getting old...at least my small tits won't sag
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: thirsty moore on September 02, 2003, 08:06:00 pm
There's a great afro-caribbean drum circle in the park right next to my apartment that meets up every Sunday.  I can hear them when I open up my windows.  They tend to go for about 6 hours.  It takes them about an hour to lock in, but once they get going it's damn near inspirational.  Drum circles are good if the people truly know the rhythms.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: walkman on September 02, 2003, 10:19:00 pm
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
  There's a great afro-caribbean drum circle in the park right next to my apartment that meets up every Sunday.  I can hear them when I open up my windows.  They tend to go for about 6 hours.  It takes them about an hour to lock in, but once they get going it's damn near inspirational.  Drum circles are good if the people truly know the rhythms.
agreed.  but don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Jaguär on September 03, 2003, 02:33:00 am
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
  There's a great afro-caribbean drum circle in the park right next to my apartment that meets up every Sunday.  I can hear them when I open up my windows.  They tend to go for about 6 hours.  It takes them about an hour to lock in, but once they get going it's damn near inspirational.  Drum circles are good if the people truly know the rhythms.
Yeah Thirsty, well all know that you are really in church and it just takes a couple hours for you to start rolling in the aisles.   :D
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: mankie on September 03, 2003, 10:00:00 am
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  1. I hate drums and drum circles
 2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
 3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller's solo show, as much as I like him
 4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
 5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
 6. White people really can't dance
1. I agree, but I bet it's fun to be playing in one.
 2. It's a scarf thing, you wouldn't understand!
 3. No comment
 4. Maybe we should call it Sheepattle!
 5. Tits, aren't everything. I bet you're still cuter.
 6. It's white Americans that can't dance...well, and me of course, but I probably lost my dance skills when I took the pledge of allegiance.
 
 
 The Dandy Warhols...I gave them a listen but the singers voice pissed me off by the middle of the third song. Why does he sing like he's doing that loud whispering thing?
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: mankie on September 03, 2003, 10:03:00 am
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
  The one with the tits?
Well that certainly wouldn't be Celeste...evidently!
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: ggw on September 03, 2003, 10:07:00 am
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller
Welcome to the club.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on September 03, 2003, 10:10:00 am
Wow, Mankie and I totally agree on something musically.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by mankie:
 
 The Dandy Warhols...I gave them a listen but the singers voice pissed me off by the middle of the third song. Why does he sing like he's doing that loud whispering thing? [/QB]
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: thirsty moore on September 03, 2003, 10:12:00 am
I would say, that's the life of a snake handler.  But most people on this board probably don't know what that means and they'd take a cheap shot.
 
 
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
 Yeah Thirsty, well all know that you are really in church and it just takes a couple hours for you to start rolling in the aisles.    :D  
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Venerable Bede on September 03, 2003, 10:24:00 am
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
  I would say, that's the life of a snake handler.  But most people on this board probably don't know what that means and they'd take a cheap shot.
snake handler. . .awesome.  i think i've got some people in my family (on my mom's side) that do thing in appalachia.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Bags on September 03, 2003, 12:42:00 pm
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Originally posted by walkman:
  Plus emo is (by definition?) whiny.  See Dashboard Confessional for more info.
 
But many bands tagged as emo aren't whiny.  To me, shoegazer is whiny (and more descriptive of a musical genre).
 
 Kosmo, the link to the primer on emo was tres cool, thanks.  When I have more time, I will read it ALL.
 
 And as an FYI, Celeste, I hope you didn't think I was criticizing your initial post.  Just an observation of a term that gets used a lot but leaves me confused.  
 
 Your extrapolation on the Dandy Warhol show has reinforced my inclination to miss that show.  I know some folks love them, but I think they're not fully my cup of tea.  I need more rock and/or pop in my shows.  Yo La Tenga drives me crazy live, for instance.
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Celeste on September 03, 2003, 02:01:00 pm
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Originally posted by bags:
  And as an FYI, Celeste, I hope you didn't think I was criticizing your initial post.  Just an observation of a term that gets used a lot but leaves me confused...
no sweat...didn't think so...wouldn't have bothered me if you did...I know the way this board works  ;)
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Sir HC on September 03, 2003, 02:06:00 pm
When I think Emo I think the first generation of Emo bands from DC.  They were just hardcore with songs more about personal issues than F**K the government.  
 
 As to the Dandy Warhols, I saw them years back and they were good and pop-y, they cancelled their 13 stories tour here but I will probably go to this show as it sounds like they were in a bad mood and decided that the room and PA were unusable so might as well be obnoxious.  I assume that they will be in line at the 9:30 or eddie or thatguy will have to get them back in line...
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Bags on September 03, 2003, 02:07:00 pm
I know it wouldn't have bothered you, just wanted to be sure you knew that wasn't my intent.  I want to be one of the non-flaming board members!
 
 FYI, based on the emo site Kosmo suggested, my genre is post-emo indie rock.  I should've known!!
 
   ;)
Title: Re: Things I learned at Bumbershoot
Post by: Bags on September 03, 2003, 02:22:00 pm
(now that I've said that, I'll probably end up in some long, drawn out board battle with someone!)