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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: G.Love on September 04, 2003, 09:00:00 am
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Rolling Stone has got to be out of their f***ing minds!!!
Kurt Nobrain @ #12!!!
Fat Boy Jerry Garcia @ #13!!!
these and others ahead of Eddie VanHalen (#70) and David Gilmour (#82). Edge could have been a little closer to the top as should G. Harrison!!
What a load of crap!
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1917 (http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1917)
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Thirsty,
I see you made the list at #34!
Congrats!!!
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Originally posted by G.Love:
Rolling Stone has got to be out of their f***ing minds!!!
Kurt Nobrain @ #12!!!
Fat Boy Jerry Garcia @ #13!!!
these and others ahead of Eddie VanHalen (#70) and David Gilmour (#82). Edge could have been a little closer to the top as should G. Harrison!!
What a load of crap!
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1917 (http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1917)
i saw Jeff Beck and BB KIng at wolftrap the other nite...it was a really good show
I didn't even know that kurt cobain played guitar..i thought he just carried it around with him on stage like Bono, but could not actually play...
this is a pretty dumb list
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Originally posted by MaLo:
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i saw Jeff Beck and BB KIng at wolftrap the other nite...it was a really good show[/b][/QUOTE]
I read the review that seemed to slag J. Beck for making a bunch of noise until he played "People get Ready" and 'A day in the Life" but BB on the other hand, he is a blues guitar God!!!
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The notable absence of Yngwie Fucking Malmsteen discredits the entire endeavor.
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yeah, the list sucks
I guess Les Paul couldnt have been any better than 46, even though 1/2 of that list probably played his guitars!
Tom Morello, Eddie Van Halen, and Gilmour were also robbed.
But its nice to know that Ike Turner is a better guitarist than Van Halen, Gilmour and Randy Rhodes. go Ike. what?
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It should read "100 Greatest ROCK Guitarists."
The list seems rather blues-heavy. A lot of fusion greats are missing, too. Link Wray was a good addition, IMHO.
Anyway...where's Denny Dias (http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_katy.htm)?
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Originally posted by ggw?:
The notable absence of Yngwie Fucking Malmsteen discredits the entire endeavor.
in fact, they left out Joe Satriana and Steve Vai....apparently they forgot the whole hair band guitarist guy thing altogether....clearly, not much thought really goes into this.
and who are the Voidods?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and who are the Voidods?
the indie police have ask that you turn in your membership card... p.s. robert quinn has done a lot of guitar work outside of the Voidoids
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Originally posted by G.Love:
I read the review that seemed to slag J. Beck for making a bunch of noise until he played "People get Ready" and 'A day in the Life" but BB on the other hand, he is a blues guitar God!!!
yeah, he did make a bunch of noise, and he was accompanied by this annoying female
bb was amazing! i'd always wanted to see him play...very cool
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
in fact, they left out Joe Satriana and Steve Vai....apparently they forgot the whole hair band guitarist guy thing altogether....clearly, not much thought really goes into this.
and who are the Voidods?
Richard Hell & The Voidoids
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Who are the voidoids?
What a question.
Richard Hell and Tom Verlaine were friends and formed Television together. Hell left before Television recorded much or got famous. He started his own band Richard Hell and the Voidoids. Their first album blank generation is a corker. Songs off of it often seem to be played before shows.
Why is there no Johnny Marr of the Smiths?
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or john squire
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or steve jones
(i guess launching a whole genre doesn't count)
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Robert Quine? Voidoids? tell me this all happened before i was born.
Television, i know. Voidoids, never heard of them....
and i thought my indie card was revoked a long time ago.
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so it Richard Hell and Robert Quine the same person?
i have heard of Mr. Hell but not this Quine clown....hes better than Gilmour?
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Seeing as I'm a humble alt rocker, they really should have handed it to my main man Lee Ranaldo.
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No, Richard Hell and Robert Quine are two different people. Was it Quine that played with Matthew Sweet? Or was that Ivan Julian?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
so it Richard Hell and Robert Quine the same person?
i have heard of Mr. Hell but not this Quine clown....hes better than Gilmour?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
so it Richard Hell and Robert Quine the same person?
i have heard of Mr. Hell but not this Quine clown....hes better than Gilmour?
robert quine was the guitarist in the voidoids, he has worked with matthew sweet, lloyd cole, material, lou reed, tom waits and john zorn
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Ivan played with Matthew Sweet at one point, this i know.
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For allmusic told you so?
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Where's Joe Jack Talcum?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
For allmusic told you so?
me? i dont think so. talk to me about 90s music and i can be somewhat intelligent ;)
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These record store clerks need some sort of certification exam.
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Originally posted by ¿+H? ?ömþæÿ Ððør§?:
Where's Joe Jack Talcum?
Dead Milkmen,
right?
do i get my fucking card back yet?
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How can you trust a list that doesn't even mention Elliott Randall?
Elliott is probably best known for his riveting guitar solo on "Reelin' in the Years". A solo considered by Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page to be his favorite of all time. (http://www.dandom.com/halloffameweek/events.html#chuck)
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guess not, you didnt ask who he was....damnit i am having a busy day at work.
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i'm looking at allmuic and robert quine did most of the studio work for matthew sweet... i believe ivan julian, also of the voidoids, often went on the road with matthew sweet in place of quine.
the editing on this list is pretty piss poor... i'm like who the hell is 79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997). turns out the Blue Caps were Gene Vincent's backing band, before i was born i might add :D , and Cliff Gallup was a major influence of Jeff Beck. still it would be nice if they had listed Gene Vincent or Richard Hells name in the listing. i'll be turning in my rockabilly card today...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ¿+H? ?ömþæÿ Ððør§?:
Where's Joe Jack Talcum?
Dead Milkmen,
right?
do i get my fucking card back yet? [/b]
Given the yellow card. ;)
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Originally posted by ggw?:
These record store clerks need some sort of certification exam.
look, most people that come in a record store cant even spell. even if i had the wealth of information and knowledge as you and rhett, i would use it maybe once every 3 weeks. so i wouldnt really worry about it :)
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seriously, has Jack-off White been around long enough to merit a #17 ranking?
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They should title it "100 ROCK guitarists with the most name recognition", although what's Ali Farka Toure doin in there? If you're gonna just say best guitarists of any style, I think the top guys would have to be classical guitar players
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
robert quine was the guitarist in the voidoids, he has worked with matthew sweet, lloyd cole, material, lou reed, tom waits and john zorn [/QB]
robert quine, ivan julian and richard lloyd all played with matthew sweet. . .ivan julian and richard lloyd have both toured with matthew sweet
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Missing:
Duane Eddy
Elmore James
Muddy Waters
Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top.
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no mascis=no cred
nice to see d boon, though
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42
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Originally posted by edbert:
They should title it "100 ROCK guitarists with the most name recognition", although what's Ali Farka Toure doin in there? If you're gonna just say best guitarists of any style, I think the top guys would have to be classical guitar players
Sorry, no one is more deserving or more absent than the jazz greats. McLaughlin at #49?? No Al Di Meola, Django Reindhart, Marc Ribot, Bill Frisell? And, in an unrelated genre, Kevin Shields at #95? Puh-lease.
Agreed with the Scientist that Johnny Marr deserves a spot too.
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ZAKK fucking WYLDE...enough said. bleed black label!
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If Johnny Marr is not in the top five, it's just proof the list is a load of bollocks, like any other list that comes out.
Neil Young!!! I'm a fan, don't get me wrong, but hardly one of the great guitarists..
Lou Reed...same as Neil Young.
Carlos Alomar! I didn't see him on there either, he should be top five also.
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Don't get me wrong...I love Johnny Ramone, but he's NOT top 100 material! If it was the 100 most INFLUENTIAL then maybe I could see that. Where's Bob Mould? He's a hell of a guitar player.
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I agree with Marr.
And where is Ace Frehely? He belongs up there.
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If you're going to put Ace Frehley on the list, you might as well put my father in law on as well.
For those of you who are adding to the list, who would you take off of the list?
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The morons that put this list together would probably have Springboard, Dylan, Cobain, Waits and Lydon on a list of best "vocalists"!
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If you're going to put Ace Frehley on the list, you might as well put my father in law on as well.
For those of you who are adding to the list, who would you take off of the list?
I'd take off:
#95 Shields
#80 Quine
#76 Toure
#79 Gallup
#61 Turner
#59-60 Greenwood, O'Brien
#17 White
#12 Cobain
For the most part the list is fine, but the placements outside of the top five are ridiculous.
I find it strange that not too long ago Rolling Stone proclaimed Anson Funderburgh as one of the greatest guitarist of the past 20 years, and he's nowhere on that list.
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I think all of those artists are effective "vocalists". Good singers, no, but good vocalists.
Originally posted by mankie:
The morons that put this list together would probably have Springboard, Dylan, Cobain, Waits and Lydon on a list of best "vocalists"!
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I think all of those artists are effective "vocalists". Good singers, no, but good vocalists.
Originally posted by mankie:
The morons that put this list together would probably have Springboard, Dylan, Cobain, Waits and Lydon on a list of best "vocalists"!
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That's what I meant.
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Originally posted by mankie:
The morons that put this list together would probably have Springboard.....on a list of best "vocalists"!
Springfield knew how to belt out a tune.
wish I had Jessie's girl...
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I love that the Radiohead guitarists are ahead of EDDIE VAN HALEN. What does that even mean? The list often confuses producing (Kevin Shields) or songwriting (Lou Reed) with guitar-playing. For starters, give me Slash, Dr. Know, and Richard Lloyd. . .
Rolling Stone is ok for music news, but totally sucks ass for music criticism. These lists used to be really good, like the 20th Anniversary top 100 albums. Now they're random and always seriously flawed. And confusing. Trying to wrap my head around Lou Reed being a better GUITAR player than Eddie Van Halen, when he's never even the best guitar player on stage, is more difficult than calculus.
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what about Buckethead, certainly he's better than, that clown from the Voidoids ;)
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where is prince, adrian belew, rick dangel of the wailers, Phil Manzanera
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Where is Madonna, Justin Timerlake & Mick Jagger?
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how about Charlie Christian or Django Reinhardt
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Originally posted by mankie:
If Johnny Marr is not in the top five, it's just proof the list is a load of bollocks, like any other list that comes out.
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If Richard Thompson only made #19 (behind Johnny Ramone and the guy from Red Hot Chili Peppers?) I have a hard time placing Marr at the top 5.
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Originally posted by Jesus of Cool:
Originally posted by mankie:
If Johnny Marr is not in the top five, it's just proof the list is a load of bollocks, like any other list that comes out.
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If Richard Thompson only made #19 (behind Johnny Ramone and the guy from Red Hot Chili Peppers?) I have a hard time placing Marr at the top 5. [/b]
Your saying Ramone and the bloke from the chili peppers are better than Marr?....please don't make yourself look stupid in front of everyone.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If you're going to put Ace Frehley on the list, you might as well put my father in law on as well.
Who is your father-in-law, the fat hairy guy from the Deftones? or the guitar player from the movie "Deliverance"?
<img src="http://www.destgulch.com/images/deliv01.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by G.Love:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If you're going to put Ace Frehley on the list, you might as well put my father in law on as well.
Who is your father-in-law, the fat hairy guy from the Deftones? or the guitar player from the movie "Deliverance"?
<img src="http://www.destgulch.com/images/deliv01.jpg" alt=" - " /> [/b]
My guess is this bloke....and it's a banjo, does that matter?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Django Reinhardt
yes! yes!
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I'd love to know how they cast that kid in Deliverance. Really, who would want to play that role?
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Originally posted by mankie:
My guess is this bloke....and it's a banjo, does that matter? [/QB]
Oh yeah, my bad. You are right, that is a banjo!
Cousin, wife.....Uncle, father-in-law.....do those things matter?
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Okay, so you want the part of the mountain man. Please read a few lines of script with me:
drop them pants (http://www.destgulch.com/movies/deliver/deliv37.wav)
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Sho' looks like a sow to me...
Aintry?!
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Sho' looks like a sow to me...
Aintry?!
Remember that the next time that you sit down to a ham sandwich.
Would you like cheese with that? :D
Enough to make you turn kosher!
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I'd love to know how they cast that kid in Deliverance. Really, who would want to play that role?
Hoyt Pollard (http://www.insane.nu/kult/blastfit.htm)
BTW: Deliverance is the holy grail of 70s cinema, IMHO.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Jesus of Cool:
Originally posted by mankie:
If Johnny Marr is not in the top five, it's just proof the list is a load of bollocks, like any other list that comes out.
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If Richard Thompson only made #19 (behind Johnny Ramone and the guy from Red Hot Chili Peppers?) I have a hard time placing Marr at the top 5. [/b]
Your saying Ramone and the bloke from the chili peppers are better than Marr?....please don't make yourself look stupid in front of everyone. [/b]
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Not saying that Ramone and the guy from RHCP are better than Marr.
I am saying that Thompson is infinitely better than Marr or the other two and if Thompson is only 19th then there's no way Marr belongs higher.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Jesus of Cool:
Originally posted by mankie:
If Johnny Marr is not in the top five, it's just proof the list is a load of bollocks, like any other list that comes out.
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If Richard Thompson only made #19 (behind Johnny Ramone and the guy from Red Hot Chili Peppers?) I have a hard time placing Marr at the top 5. [/b]
Your saying Ramone and the bloke from the chili peppers are better than Marr?....please don't make yourself look stupid in front of everyone. [/b]
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Originally posted by Jesus of Cool:
Not saying that Ramone and the guy from RHCP are better than Marr.
I am saying that Thompson is infinitely better than Marr or the other two and if Thompson is only 19th then there's no way Marr belongs higher.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Jesus of Cool:
Originally posted by mankie:
If Johnny Marr is not in the top five, it's just proof the list is a load of bollocks, like any other list that comes out.
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If Richard Thompson only made #19 (behind Johnny Ramone and the guy from Red Hot Chili Peppers?) I have a hard time placing Marr at the top 5. [/b]
Your saying Ramone and the bloke from the chili peppers are better than Marr?....please don't make yourself look stupid in front of everyone. [/b]
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okie dokie then, not knowing too much about Thompson, other than I've liked the few songs of his I've heard, (Wall of death..right?) I won't argue the fact with you.
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Where's LEMMY?
Lemmy oughtta be on all rock lists.