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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: markie on September 05, 2003, 02:03:00 pm
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this is great. (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/05/music.amnesty.ap/index.html)
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
this is great. (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/05/music.amnesty.ap/index.html)
its kind of like the day they had for people who speed on the beltway....
i am thinking it will take more time to fill out thier form than it would to just delete the fucking files off of your computer!
i wanna just see that ONE person does this.
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That's boolcrap, and it basically amounts to turning yourself in. I suspect the odds of any individual getting sued are still very, very low... if ya get worried just delete the freakin' files.
alt.dc.music (http://www.alex.to/alt.dc.music)
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A recording-industry trade group said on Monday it had sued 261 individuals who it believes have distributed hundreds of songs over the Internet without permission, and said more such lawsuits are on the way.
The Recording Industry Association of America said it had filed the copyright infringement suits in U.S. courts across the country, marking the first time the music industry has directly pursued Internet users who copy music directly from one another's hard drives.
The trade group has taken legal action against Kazaa and other "peer to peer" networks that enable such activity, which the industry blames for a decline in CD sales.
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Originally posted by Moon Mullins:
The trade group has taken legal action against Kazaa and other "peer to peer" networks that enable such activity, which the industry blames for a decline in CD sales.
Even though one record company has recently reduced the price of cd's...they don't think the prices had anything to do with declining sales!
:roll:
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Moon Mullins:
The trade group has taken legal action against Kazaa and other "peer to peer" networks that enable such activity, which the industry blames for a decline in CD sales.
Even though one record company has recently reduced the price of cd's...they don't think the prices had anything to do with declining sales!
:roll: [/b]
America, the land of "blame someone else"
or is that all of earth. i think a good penalty for this would be that you had to be a rock stars butler for a few weeks. cook his dinner and iron his leather pants or what have you?
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From CNN edited:
Cary Sherman, president of the RIAA, said the civil lawsuits filed were against "major offenders" who made available an average of 1,000 copyrighted song files.
"Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation," Sherman said. "But when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action."
Sherman also announced the Clean Slate Program that grants amnesty to users who voluntarily identify themselves, erase downloaded music files and promise not to share music on the Internet. The RIAA said it will not sue users who sign and have notarized a Clean Slate Program affidavit.
"We're willing to hold out our version of an olive branch," Sherman said.
"For those who want to wipe the slate clean and to avoid a potential lawsuit, this is the way to go," added Mitch Bainwol, RIAA Chairman and CEO. "We want to send a strong message that the illegal distribution of copyrighted works has consequences, but if individuals are willing to step forward on their own, we want to go the extra step and extend them this option."
Until now, the only music file swapping lawsuits filed by RIAA were against four college students accused of making thousands of songs available on campus networks. Those cases were settled for $12,500 to $17,000 each.
Sherman said Monday that RIAA had negotiated settlements in the range of $3,000 with a "handful" of Internet users who had learned from their Internet service providers that they were being targetted for lawsuits. The industry is also pursuing subpoenas at universities around the country seeking to identify music file traders.
More information about RIAA's amnesty program is available at www.musicunited.org. (http://www.musicunited.org.)
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Wow, I totally missed out on all the MP-3 crud. I never got into it because I can not stand the way they sound.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Wow, I totally missed out on all the MP-3 crud. I never got into it because I can not stand the way they sound.
really? I have trouble telling them apart from CDs most of the time.
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Listen to the cymbals, those are the biggest give-aways for relatively low bit rate MP-3s. The high frequency and hence more concentrated information starts to sound bad. I usually can tell by the either distorted sound of them or the unnatural volume changes (sort of like a tremelo on the cymbals). Then again I often get paid to hear such stuff, and was able to tell in college when the bit rate dropped below 12 bits for a class project.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Listen to the cymbals,
Thanks for the explanation. I think I will avoid listening to to cymbals.....
So why cant people tell between MP3s and CDs on heaphones? Or is that another misconception?
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Depends. Some headphones have terrible response, some people crank it so loud that you can not tell anything (when I can hear your headphones across the room there is a problem), and some music is not too taxing in the high-frequency information (much rap or electronic music for instance).
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Listen to the cymbals,
Thanks for the explanation. I think I will avoid listening to to cymbals.....
So why cant people tell between MP3s and CDs on heaphones? Or is that another misconception? [/b]
i cant really tell the difference of a high bitrate mp3 to a CD....anything 192 or over, sounds the same to me....esp through my normal home stereo....and usually i am in a crack haze as well....
but if you download somebodys poorly ripped mp3...theres a difference.
cymbals schymbals.
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Listen to the cymbals,
Thanks for the explanation. I think I will avoid listening to to cymbals.....
So why cant people tell between MP3s and CDs on heaphones? Or is that another misconception? [/b]
I dont listen to music with cymbals :D
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
I dont listen to music with cymbals :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
you dont listen to this: <img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006BHAF.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" alt=" - " /> every morning?
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HAHAHAHA
well, aside from that...but you cant really call those cymbals...its LOVE percussion.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
HAHAHAHA
LOVE percussion.
I dunno, is there something inately rude about finger cymbals, or is that just me?
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
I dunno, is there something inately rude about finger cymbals, or is that just me? [/b]
i have never heard of finger cymbals...but yes, if i ever see anyone playing them, i will shove them in thier ear.
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I've got yer finger symbols right here....
<img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:0_JWbNOE_1QC:dinguide.as/img/humor/stikk" alt=" - " />
Oh, you said cymbals...never mind.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Oh, you said cymbals...never mind.
when this happened: <img src="http://www.auto-marschall.de/bilder02/bild02k.jpg" alt=" - " /> do you think it sounded like cymbals?
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by mankie:
Oh, you said cymbals...never mind.
when this happened: :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
yes, but more like Mp3 sounding cymbals, not like CD sounding cymbals. :)
<img src="http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/lachen/laughing-smiley-017.gif" alt=" - " />
I wonder how long it will be before Mankie does that to one of his cars?
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by mankie:
Oh, you said cymbals...never mind.
when this happened: <img src="http://www.auto-marschall.de/bilder02/bild02k.jpg" alt=" - " /> do you think it sounded like cymbals? [/b]
You should see the corvette it was in the accident with...that's why people won't be seen dead in them, or maybe they only get seen dead in them!
<img src="http://www.aros.net/~mstahnky/humor/Wrecks/1998%20Corvette%20Wreck.jpg" alt=" - " />
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that does not even llok like a car. Was that really a corvette?
check this site the monicker at the top says corvette only! (http://www.corvetteonly.org/photoalbum/b93/cw.htm)
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
that does not even llok like a car. Was that really a corvette?
check this site the monicker at the top says corvette only! (http://www.corvetteonly.org/photoalbum/b93/cw.htm)
That really was a corvette, but that's what you get when you make cars out of fiberglass.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Listen to the cymbals, those are the biggest give-aways for relatively low bit rate MP-3s. The high frequency and hence more concentrated information starts to sound bad. I usually can tell by the either distorted sound of them or the unnatural volume changes (sort of like a tremelo on the cymbals). Then again I often get paid to hear such stuff, and was able to tell in college when the bit rate dropped below 12 bits for a class project.
Which is one of the reasons that many (and possibly most) file sharers STILL BUY CDs. As great and convenient as MP3s are, you are right, they just don't sound as good or complete.
Oh, and it's interesting how the record companies seem to ignore the fact that so many people have lost jobs, have been downsized or lost money in the stock market. You would think that CD buying be one of the very first items of purchase to slow down for so many of these people. (BTW, I'm not using that as an arguement to justify downloading or even trying to reopen that debate. Only pointing out one obvious reason for decline in sales.)
Sonic, finger cymbals are what belly dancers use to add sound to their performance. Though cheap and tinny sounding, they can sound good in the right environment or used in the right way. Go back and look at the picture of the girl and you can see them on her fingers.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
[qb] but that's what you get when you make cars out of fiberglass. [/b]
the body panels are rarely structural on a car, so that should make no difference. The chassis is mulch on that wreck though.
Isnt the original mini one of the worst cars in an accident ever?
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
[qb] but that's what you get when you make cars out of fiberglass. [/b]
the body panels are rarely structural on a car, so that should make no difference. The chassis is mulch on that wreck though.
Isnt the original mini one of the worst cars in an accident ever? [/b]
I never mentioned body panels!!!! ;) Actually, I believe the frame of a corvette is balsa wood.
The mini was the perfect car to have a serious accident in..no suffering, no long rehab, just a swift instant death...like stamping on a bug.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I believe the frame of a corvette is balsa wood.
The frame of a morgan is ash, but both cars still have a steel chassis.
When I think how my friends and I drove minis, I am really glad no one tried going round the roundabout that little bit faster.......
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This thread is so deliciously emblematic of this board. How we get from turning yourself in for file sharing to what materials are used in the chassis of a corvette or mini is amazing. James Joyce would be proud.
:p
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Girl, 12, Settles Piracy Suit for $2,000
By TED BRIDIS, AP Technology Writer
WASHINGTON - A 12-year-old girl in New York who was among the first to be sued by the record industry for sharing music over the Internet is off the hook after her mother agreed Tuesday to pay $2,000 to settle the lawsuit, apologizing and admitting that her daughter's actions violated U.S. copyright laws.
The hurried settlement involving Brianna LaHara, an honors student, was the first announced one day after the Recording Industry Association of America (news - web sites) filed 261 such lawsuits across the country. Lawyers for the RIAA said Brianna's mother, Sylvia Torres, contacted them early Tuesday to negotiate.
"We understand now that file-sharing the music was illegal," Torres said in a statement distributed by the recording industry. "You can be sure Brianna won't be doing it anymore."
Brianna added: "I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love."
The case against Brianna was a potential minefield for the music industry from a public relations standpoint. The family lives in a city housing project on New York's Upper West Side, and they said they mistakenly believed they were entitled to download music over the Internet because they had paid $29.99 for software that gives them access to online file-sharing services.
Even in the hours before the settlement was announced, Brianna was emerging as an example of what critics said was overzealous enforcement by the powerful music industry.
The top lawyer for Verizon Communications Inc. charged earlier Tuesday during a Senate hearing that music lawyers had resorted to a "campaign against 12-year-old girls" rather than trying to help consumers turn to legal sources for songs online. Verizon's Internet subsidiary is engaged in a protracted legal fight against the RIAA over copyright subpoenas sent Verizon customers.
Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., also alluded to Brianna's case.
"Are you headed to junior high schools to round up the usual suspects?" Durbin asked RIAA President Cary Sherman during a Senate Judiciary hearing.
Durbin said he appreciated the piracy threat to the recording industry, but added, "I think you have a tough public relations campaign to go after the offenders without appearing heavy-handed in the process."
Sherman responded that most people don't shoplift because they fear they'll be arrested.
"We're trying to let people know they may get caught, therefore they should not engage in this behavior," Sherman said. "Yes, there are going to be some kids caught in this, but you'd be surprised at how many adults are engaged in this activity."
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You just beat me to this post by only a few minutes.
The part that got me was that the family couldn't have been too bright if they were paying $29.** for software for downloading from P2Ps. :roll: (Unless it included something not mentioned in article.) But it was probably only nothing better than an Google-like list of free software programs.