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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: jadetree on September 09, 2003, 10:09:00 am
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So everything I have heard tells me this will be nothing like the albums and will be extremely loud. Yay. Who else is going?
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Reckon I'll be thar!
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signs point to no. would like to keep what's left of my hearing. . .
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Count me out. If I wanted to listen to a really loud noise I would go hang out at the airport.
I hope you have fun. I suggest listening to the Mogwai concert from inside the velvet lounge and with earplugs in, of course.
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I will be there with bells and ear plugs on. I am distrought to hear that Bede and Anton are sitting out, though. I guessing I will see you both at AWK tomorrow?
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I MIGHT go, I have to go to DC to get my Billy Idol tickets so maybe if i am feeling frisky i will pop in for some of the show. Never really lsitened to Mogwai though.
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I got my A WK fix at Lulu's. Mighty good it was too. I think I might go and see Ted Leo instead tomorrow. Its only fair to make it AWK 4, Ted Leo 1.
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
I got my A WK fix at Lulu's. Mighty good it was too. I think I might go and see Ted Leo instead tomorrow. Its only fair to make it AWK 4, Ted Leo 1.
how i wished i lived in DC
no i dont, just for the shows there.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
I will be there with bells and ear plugs on. I am distrought to hear that Bede and Anton are sitting out, though. I guessing I will see you both at AWK tomorrow?
yeah, i'll be at andrew w.k. tomorrow and at dandy warhols on friday. btw, its the wallflower's b-day on saturday, so those coming to the dandy's, hang out afterwards and buy him a few shots of old granddad. . .
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God bless Old Grandad...possibly the finest shot of all.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
a few shots of old granddad. . .
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
how i wished i lived in DC
no i dont
what do you perceive as DC's weaknesses as a place to live?
Last time I remember having to drink two of the wallflowers shots of old grandaddy.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
how i wished i lived in DC
no i dont, just for the shows there.
On the radio this morning I heard that Charm City is giving Detroit a run for the money as per-capita murder capital.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
[qb] per-capita murder capital. [/b]
I thought Chicago is #1, the new figures came out last week.
Or was Chicago the violent crime capital?
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
how i wished i lived in DC
no i dont
what do you perceive as DC's weaknesses as a place to live? [/b]
1. its much more expensive than Baltimore
2. traffic "around" DC is HORRIFIC
3. less people from Northern Virginia in Baltimore
4. most of my friends live in Baltimore
5. too close to politicians
however.
1. washington has a hockey team
2. washington has the Black Cat/930 Club
3. washington has a fucking metro
so it kinda goes back to bad reason #1 and #4
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
how i wished i lived in DC
no i dont, just for the shows there.
On the radio this morning I heard that Charm City is giving Detroit a run for the money as per-capita murder capital. [/b]
and DC is probably in the top 5, buddy.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
so it kinda goes back to bad reason #1 and #4
#1, you are so nice I am sure you would make friends wherever you went.
#4 ever thought that it may be more expensive here because it is a better place to live?
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GGW:
this is for you.....
http://www.safestreetsdc.com/subpages/murdercap.html (http://www.safestreetsdc.com/subpages/murdercap.html)
April 24, 2003
Contact: John Aravosis, SafeStreetsDC.com
John@SafeStreetsDC.com
DC IS AGAIN 'MURDER CAPITAL', NEW STUDY SHOWS
- District had Highest Big-City Murder Rate in 2002
- DC Murder Rate Soared as Other Cities Saw Decline
(Washington, DC) Washington, DC is once again the nation's 'Murder Capital," according to a new study released today.
The study, conducted by SafeStreetsDC.com (www.SafeStreetsDC.com), a public safety watchdog group, compared the annual number of murders per 100,000 residents in American cities with populations greater than 500,000. This was the same standard used to determine DC's previous rank as murder capital. In compiling the data, the group relied on homicide statistics from the FBI and police department homicide units from around the country.
According to the numbers, DC outranked all major cities, and is again the nation's "murder capital."
Immediately following DC on the list were Detroit (the winner in 2001), Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago and Philadelphia (in that order).
Other notable rankings included: Los Angeles (9), Dallas (10), Boston (18), San Francisco (24), and New York (25). Last on the list was Honolulu, ranked 32d with only 18 murders, in spite of its population of nearly 900,000.
DC, by comparison, with nearly 600,000 residents, had 262 murders last year.
DC's soaring homicide rate also defied national trends showing a slight drop in murders. In spite of the fact that the number of total murders in all 32 cities dropped 1.2% in 2002 as compared to 2001, DC saw a nearly 13% increase in its murder rate in 2002, giving it the 6th-highest increase among the cities surveyed.
"Nationally the murder rate hardly changed, yet in DC it soared last year," said John Aravosis, cofounder of SafeStreetsDC.com and co-author of the study along with Matt Forman. "DC officials clearly can't blame the city's increasing murder rate on the worsening economy or other national trends since most other cities facing the same pressures did not see the same increase in homicides."
The largest jump in the 2002 murder rate was in Columbus, which saw a nearly 60% increase last year, immediately followed by San Jose (+27%), Tucson (+21%), Jacksonville (+20%), and Denver (+18%).
On the other end of the spectrum, El Paso had the greatest decline in its murder rate last year (-30%). The percentage change in the murder rate of other notable cities in 2002 include: Los Angeles (+12%), Detroit (+2%), Baltimore (-1%), Chicago (-3%), Philadelphia (-7%), Boston (-8%), New York (-10%), and Dallas (-20%).
The study also cast doubt on another factor often used by DC officials to explain the city's increasing crime rate: the demands of Homeland Security.
"We were surprised to find that New York had a 10% drop in homicides last year, as DC officials often blame the District's increasing crime rate on the demands of post-September 11 security," Aravosis said. "Yet New York, which surely faces as great a threat as Washington, has managed to improve its murder rate."
The study also found that in 2001 DC was the murder capital "runner up."
This year, according to the DC Metropolitan Police Department, murder in the District is up over 21% from last year, and at the current pace, Washington could see 325 murders in 2003 as compared to last year's 262. (Source: Washington Post)
"We were the murder capital runner-up in 2001, we won the title in 2002, and 2003 is already being heralded as a record year for death in the District," said Aravosis. "All of this proves that this year's 21% jump in homicides is hardly a temporary fluke. It's been building for years."
SafeStreetsDC.com is a web-based ad hoc coalition of District of Columbia citizens and police officers working to improve public safety and hometown security. SafeStreetsDC.com founder, John Aravosis, is a nationally-known Internet activist best known for his year 2000 StopDrLaura.com web campaign. The campaign brought citizen pressure to bear in convincing corporate sponsors to withdraw from Dr. Laura Schlessinger's television talk show ultimately leading to the cancellation of the show.
--- www.safestreetsdc.com (http://www.safestreetsdc.com) ---
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
so it kinda goes back to bad reason #1 and #4
#1, you are so nice I am sure you would make friends wherever you went.
#4 ever thought that it may be more expensive here because it is a better place to live? [/b]
i am NOT nice...and i dont want new friends ;)
and does it really matter how nice a place to live is, if i cant afford $800 a month rent?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
]i am NOT nice...and i dont want new friends ;)
The DC statistics are both much worse and better then they appear. I wonder how many people got shot in the north of the city, and how many of the were white?
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
]i am NOT nice...and i dont want new friends ;)
The DC statistics are both much worse and better then they appear. I wonder how many people got shot in the north of the city, and how many of the were white? [/b]
well, thats another reason, markie. I dont really like how extremely seperated DC is. Its extremely poor to extremely rich, much more so than in any other city that i have ever been to.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
well, thats another reason, markie. I dont really like how extremely seperated DC is. Its extremely poor to extremely rich, much more so than in any other city that i have ever been to.
Most American cities are extremely separated, DC less so than most
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
GGW:
this is for you.....
http://www.safestreetsdc.com/subpages/murdercap.html (http://www.safestreetsdc.com/subpages/murdercap.html)
Listen to the story titled "Baltimore Teens Vote" from NPR this morning:
http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgDate=09-Sep-2003&prgId=3 (http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgDate=09-Sep-2003&prgId=3)
Different criteria I suppose.
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Originally posted by jadetree:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
well, thats another reason, markie. I dont really like how extremely seperated DC is. Its extremely poor to extremely rich, much more so than in any other city that i have ever been to.
Most American cities are extremely separated, DC less so than most [/b]
well, we all have our opinions dont we :)
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
[qb] per-capita murder capital. [/b]
I thought Chicago is #1, the new figures came out last week.
Or was Chicago the violent crime capital? [/b]
You are right too!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0301160232jan16,0,1742768.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0301160232jan16,0,1742768.story)
Every city wants to be the murder capital......
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thats amazing.
I thought Baltimore, DC and Detroit were always the top 3 :)
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This study only counts cities with over 1 million people....which neither Baltimore OR DC have (and probably not Detroit either)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
This study only counts cities with over 1 million people....which neither Baltimore OR DC have (and probably not Detroit either)
And the NPR study probably looked at the largest 25 cities in the US.
The safestreet study looked at those cities with populations over 500k.
If we kept going down, perhaps Gary, Indiana or East St. Louis could get the recognition they so richly deserve.
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I will be at the Mogwai show tonight. I can't imagine it topping the excellent Ottobar show but here's hoping it does! I will most likely be giving up my usual front+center spot and be up in the balcony -away from the direct hit of the speakers.
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Having lived both in Baltimore and in DC, I'd take Baltimore over DC in an instant. Like many other DC people, I'm here because of my job.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Having lived both in Baltimore and in DC, I'd take Baltimore over DC in an instant. Like many other DC people, I'm here because of my job.
i sit here astonished. but i agree. i think there is more of a neighborly feel to Baltimore, more sense of community. (yes, i know we kill each other a lot) but i did only live in DC for 6 months. I would pick Boston over both of them though...i
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Having lived both in Baltimore and in DC, I'd take Baltimore over DC in an instant. Like many other DC people, I'm here because of my job.
How shallow and materialistic.....
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Boston is a cool city, but for me it's:
1. Too big. I tend to prefer smaller cities where the commute is less horrible and the countryside is closer.
2. Too cold. I grew up in the Northeast, and am glad I don't have to put up with the long winters anymore.
3. Too expensive. Even more so that DC.
For some reasons, I wish I had never moved away from Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill. Good music scene, ocean and mountains not too far away, liberal population, mild weather, and relatively affordable housing.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Having lived both in Baltimore and in DC, I'd take Baltimore over DC in an instant. Like many other DC people, I'm here because of my job.
i sit here astonished. but i agree. i think there is more of a neighborly feel to Baltimore, more sense of community. (yes, i know we kill each other a lot) but i did only live in DC for 6 months. I would pick Boston over both of them though...i [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
For some reasons, I wish I had never moved away from Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill. Good music scene, ocean and mountains not too far away, liberal population, mild weather, and relatively affordable housing.
sounds like you should move to Portland, OR like I hope to one day
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Portland would be a logical choice, but I wouldn't move there right now. Oregon leads the country in unemployment, and Washington State is second.
Plus, they aint got NASCAR out there like the do in North Cacalacky.
Originally posted by jadetree:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
For some reasons, I wish I had never moved away from Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill. Good music scene, ocean and mountains not too far away, liberal population, mild weather, and relatively affordable housing.
sounds like you should move to Portland, OR like I hope to one day [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Boston is a cool city, but for me it's:
1. Too big. I tend to prefer smaller cities where the commute is less horrible and the countryside is closer.
2. Too cold. I grew up in the Northeast, and am glad I don't have to put up with the long winters anymore.
3. Too expensive. Even more so that DC.
yes Boston is WAY too expensive. but there is plenty of countryside not far from Boston and its ON the ocean (granted the beaches are quite atrocious in the Boston area)
but yes, my $1900 a month for a 2 BR apt was too much.
and i dont mind when the wind chill is 15 below....call me crazy :)
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Wow, what's your rent in Baltimore? I'd think the $800 you quoted in DC for a one bedroom and the $1900 for two in Boston is pretty damn good.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Boston is a cool city, but for me it's:
1. Too big. I tend to prefer smaller cities where the commute is less horrible and the countryside is closer.
2. Too cold. I grew up in the Northeast, and am glad I don't have to put up with the long winters anymore.
3. Too expensive. Even more so that DC.
yes Boston is WAY too expensive. but there is plenty of countryside not far from Boston and its ON the ocean (granted the beaches are quite atrocious in the Boston area)
but yes, my $1900 a month for a 2 BR apt was too much.
and i dont mind when the wind chill is 15 below....call me crazy :) [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
For some reasons, I wish I had never moved away from Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill. Good music scene, ocean and mountains not too far away, liberal population, mild weather, and relatively affordable housing.
the couple time i've been in this area i really enjoyed it... it right now is the top of a very short list of places worth moving to. if i was staying in the area, baltimore is my choice for finding a bigger and affordable place to live.
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Originally posted by bags:
Wow, what's your rent in Baltimore? I'd think the $800 you quoted in DC for a one bedroom and the $1900 for two in Boston is pretty damn good.
the $800 a month rent was sharing a room in a $1600 2 BR apt.
and the Boston apt was 600 sq ft.
I am living in a 950 sq ft. 2 Br for less than $1000 now, heat included.
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Whew, point made. How do you even get two bedrooms in 600 sq feet?!?
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Originally posted by bags:
Whew, point made. How do you even get two bedrooms in 600 sq feet?!?
very carefully
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boston is so not that cold! i grew up there, well, near cape cod. january is a bit nippy but other than that, the weather is great. snow, a real autumn, a summer you can actually enjoy. and the OCEAN! but i grew up on the beach so i was lucky.
and boston isn't anymore or less expensive than dc. at least boston doesn't have tax on groceries and clothes, and the restaurant tax is only 5%
but like any city, its has its positives and negatives.
i'm proud to be a masshole though! woo hoo! long live the massholes from the massoftwoshits!
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yes Boston is WAY too expensive. but there is plenty of countryside not far from Boston and its ON the ocean (granted the beaches are quite atrocious in the Boston area)
but yes, my $1900 a month for a 2 BR apt was too much.
and i dont mind when the wind chill is 15 below....call me crazy :) [/b]
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back to mogwai topic at hand. how's the ticket situation looking? if i get there at 9 am i sol? and how different are their shows from the albums. they seem to make some big departures in styles on the cds they have released so i'm not sure what to expect. some times its more lush sounding, sometimes not, and that whole thing that the concerts are outrageously loud. ie, i'm not sure what to expect in terms of genre presented tonight. anyone help?
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Originally posted by lily1:
back to mogwai topic at hand. how's the ticket situation looking? if i get there at 9 am i sol? and how different are their shows from the albums. they seem to make some big departures in styles on the cds they have released so i'm not sure what to expect. some times its more lush sounding, sometimes not, and that whole thing that the concerts are outrageously loud. ie, i'm not sure what to expect in terms of genre presented tonight. anyone help?
quiet, quiet, LOUD, LOUD, LOUD, quiet. and by loud, i mean ear piercing loud. . .imagine standing behind an airplane engine loud.
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i will be sure to stand on the balcony this time and bring ear plugs.
but, not to sound like a fuddy duddy, why be that loud if its painful to your fans?
think it will sell out?
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I'm going because of the great show they put on at the Ottobar last year. And it was indeed LOUD LOUD LOUD. I had earplugs in and I still had loss of hearing for a few days afterwards.
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i just rang the club and they have lots and lots of tickets available. see you all tonight.
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I did not think the show was too loud and could pick out my favorite songs with ease, enjoyed the show.
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Originally posted by jadetree:
I did not think the show was too loud and could pick out my favorite songs with ease, enjoyed the show.
What, what? When will the bells stop ringing?
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by jadetree:
I did not think the show was too loud and could pick out my favorite songs with ease, enjoyed the show.
What, what? When will the bells stop ringing? [/b]
I only had my earplugs in for 3 minutes total probably, if I had not for those 3 minutes I would probably be ringing badly, but 95% of the show was an ok volume.
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WHAT?
Well that is a turn up. Perhaps they have finally learned that a constant noise barrage does not make a great show.
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Says you, Markie. I thought their Ottobar gig was excellent.
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yeah but thirsty you have an unfair advantage over the rest of us............
you are used to the ringing of bells..........oh esmerelda i love her so.........
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tonight's show was nowhere near as loud as the last time they played the club.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
tonight's show was nowhere near as loud as the last time they played the club.
Ha, did you mean that in a good way? It was plenty loud for me. :p For my first time seeing them I was pretty impressed by the sound they put out. Is anyone here the guy with the tripod?
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i had a mate we called tripod...............
he was very popular with the ladies..............
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Originally posted by lily1:
boston is so not that cold! i grew up there, well, near cape cod. january is a bit nippy but other than that, the weather is great. snow, a real autumn, a summer you can actually enjoy. and the OCEAN! but i grew up on the beach so i was lucky.
and boston isn't anymore or less expensive than dc. at least boston doesn't have tax on groceries and clothes, and the restaurant tax is only 5%
but like any city, its has its positives and negatives.
i'm proud to be a masshole though! woo hoo! long live the massholes from the massoftwoshits!
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
[qb] Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb]
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Hey lily, why is it important for people from Boston to always announce they're from Boston?, "Hello, I'm Cedric from Boston" for example...and more importantly why should we give a badgers bum if they're from Boston or not?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Hey lily, why is it important for people from Boston to always announce they're from Boston?, "Hello, I'm Cedric from Boston" for example...and more importantly why should we give a badgers bum if they're from Boston or not?
I don't see any Bostonians calling themselves "Bostie"