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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sonickteam2 on September 09, 2003, 02:59:00 pm
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OK, at the record store last night, we got into a rather interesting conversation, that i think you guys can eat up.
We were thinking of "rock" bands/musicians that have actually aged well.
Basically, bands that have put out better records post 40ish than pre 40ish.
I could only think of Tom Petty really.
Anyone else? and no , country/folk/blues/jazz...dont count, we are talking ROCK!
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u2 and REM, and the stones and Paul McCartney......
Oh wait, all of them are shite now.
How about the tyde, they are all old gits and the previous incarnations of bands they were in were not nearly as good. Pretty tenuous though, huh?
Rhett might want to make a case for Nick Lowe. I would make a case for Matt Johnson of THe the. I think Joe Strummers two mescalero albums were brilliant also.
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And I guess David Gedge from the wedding present and now cinerama. I think Torino, his last proper album, is his best work
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Yeah i'd have to say Joe Strummer aged well.
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Tom Waits.
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I thought Tom Petty was a folk artist.
I would make the case for Nick Lowe's last three albums being as good as anything he did earlier in his career.
And Neil Young's output in the 90's was excellent.
Steve Earle's albums since getting out of the clink at 40 have been better than his earlier output, with the exception of his last album.
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I think Paul Weller has aged well, not better necessarily, but he has aged well.
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Originally posted by jadetree:
I think Paul Weller has aged well, not better necessarily, but he has aged well.
I think he looks and sounds good, but the music doesnt contain half the passion to be found on setting sons. Although Stanley Road was pretty great, illumination is just very solid in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
I think he looks and sounds good, but the music doesnt contain half the passion to be found on setting sons. Although Stanley Road was pretty great, illumination is just very solid in my opinion.
Listened to Illumination last night, and it is good, especially like the song with Kelly Jones.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I thought Tom Petty was a folk artist.
I would make the case for Nick Lowe's last three albums being as good as anything he did earlier in his career.
And Neil Young's output in the 90's was excellent.
Steve Earle's albums since getting out of the clink at 40 have been better than his earlier output, with the exception of his last album.
yeah, Tom Petty could be called folk, and so could anything Neil Young has done lately. But those are two good ones, and Nick Lowe. I knew you people were smarter than record store clerks ;)
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I like the second of the bonus tracks..... The kelly song did prick up my ears as well though.
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There are many who are above 40 and still good, but I can't think of any "rock" artist who is better after 40 than before. Rock is a young man's game.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
There are many who are above 40 and still good, but I can't think of any "rock" artist who is better after 40 than before. Rock is a young man's game.
That was why it was such as intriguing conversation. get it?
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The guys from the Flaming Lips are well into their forties. I hate their early pre-Transmissions stuff.
Morphine's M. Sandman was in his 40's when he started the band. So I guess everything before that was crap as there was nothing.
Fred Schnieder from the B-52s. Still looks the same. No new albums though.
Helios Creed. His work has been getting better with age. Didn't really like his early stuff, though I haven't listened to Chrome.
Mission of Burma bassist Clint Connolly (or however it is spelled). His band Consonant is great. Though I guess the early stuff was quite good too.
Massive Attack. Forget which guy is in his 40's, but they didn't get rolling until the second album. Daddy G I think is the old fart.
there are more, I have to remember...
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Mark Sandman was the leader of Treat Her Right before Morphine. I liked them better than Morphine...
Originally posted by Sir HC:
The guys from the Flaming Lips are well into their forties. I hate their early pre-Transmissions stuff.
Morphine's M. Sandman was in his 40's when he started the band. So I guess everything before that was crap as there was nothing.
Fred Schnieder from the B-52s. Still looks the same. No new albums though.
Helios Creed. His work has been getting better with age. Didn't really like his early stuff, though I haven't listened to Chrome.
Mission of Burma bassist Clint Connolly (or however it is spelled). His band Consonant is great. Though I guess the early stuff was quite good too.
Massive Attack. Forget which guy is in his 40's, but they didn't get rolling until the second album. Daddy G I think is the old fart.
there are more, I have to remember...
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I would like to repeat David Gedge and Matt Johnson.....
and add a Mark E Smith of the Fall. I dont know if he got better, but it appears to me he just stayed the same.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
The guys from the Flaming Lips are well into their forties. I hate their early pre-Transmissions stuff.
Flaming Lips....you should win a prize, though, i did not know they were in thier forties, and some would say they are not rock....but someone always does.
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
I would like to repeat David Gedge and Matt Johnson.....
and add a Mark E Smith of the Fall. I dont know if he got better, but it appears to me he just stayed the same.
Dave Gedge very good shit.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Massive Attack. Forget which guy is in his 40's, but they didn't get rolling until the second album. Daddy G I think is the old fart.
WHAT?
their first album is a masterpiece. It created the whole trip hop genre. I didnt think any of the main members of Massive attack were that old. Horace Andy who always does some of the vocals is, he was a great reggae guy in the 70's.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
The guys from the Flaming Lips are well into their forties. I hate their early pre-Transmissions stuff.
Flaming Lips....you should win a prize, though, i did not know they were in thier forties, and some would say they are not rock....but someone always does. [/b]
Have an article from around the time of Clouds Taste Metallic. When Transmissions came out they were mid-thirties.
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Massive Attack. Forget which guy is in his 40's, but they didn't get rolling until the second album. Daddy G I think is the old fart.
WHAT?
their first album is a masterpiece. It created the whole trip hop genre. I didnt think any of the main members of Massive attack were that old. Horace Andy who always does some of the vocals is, he was a great reggae guy in the 70's. [/b]
It hasn't aged as well as the others to me. It was brilliant and started a movement but then they got better. Mezzanine to me is their peak. Yeah, Daddy G supposedly was doing sound systems for years before Massive Attack.
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Oh yeah and how can we forget Sonic Youth?
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Oh yeah and how can we forget Sonic Youth?
but i dont think they are better now. than in the 80s.
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Why would someone say Flaming Lips are not a rock band?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
The guys from the Flaming Lips are well into their forties. I hate their early pre-Transmissions stuff.
Flaming Lips....you should win a prize, though, i did not know they were in thier forties, and some would say they are not rock....but someone always does. [/b]
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from the best I could find:
"Daddy G's is around mid-December 1959 (Sagittarius), and 3D's is around late January/mid-February 1966 "
so if that is right, makes Mezzanine mostly done before he was 40. I really dont see them doing anything worthwhile again. 100 broken windows is approaching unlistenable.
I still think blue lines is the best. Hymn of the big wheel and for the complete sound of the album.
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
from the best I could find:
"Daddy G's is around mid-December 1959 (Sagittarius), and 3D's is around late January/mid-February 1966 "
so if that is right, makes Mezzanine mostly done before he was 40. I really dont see them doing anything worthwhile again. 100 broken windows is approaching unlistenable.
I still think blue lines is the best. Hymn of the big wheel and for the complete sound of the album.
I based it on an interview with them when Mezzanine came out with him saying he was 40. It was Option Magazine, still have it around somewhere, will look at the date and all.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why would someone say Flaming Lips are not a rock band?
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crazy people, thats who!
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
when Mezzanine came out with him saying he was 40.
that would fit, but they had been working on Mezzanine for 3 years before it was released. So he probably wasnt 40 when working on it.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I thought Tom Petty was a folk artist.
What?? Man, he's the grandaddy of southern rock, in all its forms.
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Bob Mould, yes
Paul Westerberg, NO
Bob Pollard, yes
You said aged well, not better, right? If that's the premise, I think Pollard is better, Mould is excellent but early 90s was almost unbeatable, and Westerberg just makes me sad.
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Originally posted by bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I thought Tom Petty was a folk artist.
What?? Man, he's the grandaddy of southern rock, in all its forms. [/b]
QUE?? Petty definitely dabbled in southern rock sounds, but his first album was in '76! And was, at least to my ears, pretty much a rootsy take on early new-wave. The Allman Brothers invented Southern Rock (first album 1969) and Lynyrd Skynyrd released Free Bird in '73, so I can't really see calling Petty the grandaddy of southern rock. But, true enough, he ain't no folk artist either.
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You're right, walkman, he's not southern rock. I was just rebelling too hard against the folk label (not that there's anything wrong with that!).
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Originally posted by bags:
Bob Mould, yes
Paul Westerberg, NO
Bob Pollard, yes
You said aged well, not better, right? If that's the premise, I think Pollard is better, Mould is excellent but early 90s was almost unbeatable, and Westerberg just makes me sad.
While I still think Pollard is great now, his early songs can't be beat - none of the newer albums are as good as Propeller or Alien Lanes.
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Lucinda Williams.
Surprisingly difficult question.
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Not really better, but have not lost it north of 40.
Paul Heaton
David Bowie
Elvis Costello
Johhny Marr
Richard Butler
Bruce Springsteen
John Menstralcramps
Marianne Faithful
Old age pensioners who need to give it up and head off into the retirement home
The Rolling Stones
KISS
Aerosmith
Van Halen
Finally, were the Grateful Dead EVER younger than 40?
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Difficult question indeed! Maybe Nick Cave?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Difficult question indeed! Maybe Nick Cave?
that's exactly of who i was thinking.
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I was going to say her, but her pre-40 something stuff is good as well.
Originally posted by Mobius:
Lucinda Williams.
Surprisingly difficult question.
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neil emmer effen young
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naaaaaah
they are all shite now...............
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Found some others for the list:
Brian Eno 1948
Wayne Coyne (flaming lips) Born 1960
Bevis Frond's Nick Salomon (11-03-1953) started 1986
Peter Gabriel (born February 13, 1950)
Lee Ranaldo born 3 February 1956
1958 Paul Barker is born.
1959 Alain Jourgensen is born.
Gibby Haynes
Rick Smith (41) and Karl Hyde of Underworld (been around since 1981 with Freur)
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Arthur Lee (Love)
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R. Kelly :( )
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And George Clinton (he is my mom's age), born in 1941.