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Thoughts?
I say Grateful Dead or Gwar, even though there are things I like about both.
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Originally posted by you be pickup:
Thoughts?
I say Grateful Dead or Gwar, even though there are things I like about both.
I dunno, Pickup. Gwar is a goofy band and they know it. I don't think the band or their fans would even care about this title, as they don't take themselves that seriously. I do think the Dead are dreadful though.
Oh and my vote would probably go to Creed. Or if I needed someone who made a bigger impact, the Doors.
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no way are the doors or the dead even close to worst band status. while the dead pretty much sucked after the mid-'70s, some of their songs -- and jams -- from 1966-1972 are great. and despite jim morrison's pretentiousness and one pretty lousy record (the soft parade), the doors wrote some damn good psych and pop songs.
creed is definitely a contender. i would also throw in limp bizkit, insane clown posse, and nickelback.
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blues hammer
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good charlotte & simple plan
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id say the top five worst bands of all time are; led zepplin, rush, linkin park, creed and bon jovi.
they are all a triumph of mediocrity and proof the masses will accept the most bland mass produced tripe as long as its popular. of course rush "trys" to be different, but its calculated and panders to wannabee musicians who are impressed by simple things like off beat rythyms and the number of notes played in a minute. its musical masterbation.
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Where do I begin? Here's five:
White Stripes
Mountain Goats
Smashing Pumpkins
Bright Eyes
Snow Patrol
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Originally posted by Marty666:
id say the top five worst bands of all time are; led zepplin, rush, linkin park, creed and bon jovi.
they are all a triumph of mediocrity and proof the masses will accept the most bland mass produced tripe as long as its popular. of course rush "trys" to be different, but its calculated and panders to wannabee musicians who are impressed by simple things like off beat rythyms and the number of notes played in a minute. its musical masterbation.
The fact that you even put Rush or Zeppelin in your top 5 worst bands of all-time makes me SERIOUSLY question your knowledge of music and your overall grip on reality/sanity level. I'm not even a fan of Rush honestly, but Neil Peart is one of the greatest drummers ever. As far as Zeppelin, it's one thing to say you don't like them/not your cup of tea. Fine. But for you to dismiss their catalog like that . . . . :eek:
If you said that in a room full of serious music fans/experts, they'd laugh you the fuck outta the room.
With that being said, Creed is MOST DEF a/the front-runner. Fall Out Boy gets honorable mention as well. I'll run with Bizou311's vote & double up on Simple Plan. They unequivocally suck goat ass.
P.S. There's WAAAAY worse bands than Bon Jovi out there.
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I would question YOUR knowledge of music if you're quoting that cliched "Neil Peart is one of the greatest drummers of all time" lines. But that's just my opinion. What exactly makes him a great drummer? Did he win a drum solo contest at the arena rock championships? :p
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"Ever" is a very big gap of time.......that is many,many years of pure SHIT to crawl thru to find the "worst"....that being said I gotta mention "Jackyl"....that's Jackyl with a Y !.......
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I totally agree with Snailhook..
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Rednex
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Originally posted by snailhook:
no way are the doors or the dead even close to worst band status. while the dead pretty much sucked after the mid-'70s, some of their songs -- and jams -- from 1966-1972 are great. and despite jim morrison's pretentiousness and one pretty lousy record (the soft parade), the doors wrote some damn good psych and pop songs.
creed is definitely a contender. i would also throw in limp bizkit, insane clown posse, and nickelback.
The Doors were the Creed and Nickleback of their time. Possibly the most overblown, cheesy-ass "spiritual"-based crap the pop-rock world has ever produced, all put out by a fat-ass, drug-guzzling retard who's lyrics remind of of the poetry that 15-year old goth kids scribble on their high school notebooks.
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i do'nt know if i'd put the doors as one of the top 5 worst bands ever, but they are definitely incredibly overrated.
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The Doors, Led, and Rush should never have been mentioned in this list. (Especially Led and Rush).
I love Snow Patrol and Bright Eyes, but there is way more of a possibility that they would show up on my worst of list before Led or Rush.
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neil peart has all the talent of a casio drum machine. he might be a technically great musician, but he is souless. having a drum part that is difficult and complicated to play, does in no way make it sound good or make it an indespensible part of a song. lyrically, rush is like a 10th grade english class for retards that has internet access. they simply pander with cliches, tribble and whatever they think 13 year old boys will like.
any music "expert" who thinks led zepplin is great (or even good) has no understanding of the american blues music that zepplin ripped off.
zepplin is just playing other peoples music and watering it down for mass consumption. and they even stole whole songs outright. the popularity of led zepplin is equal to the general populations ignorance of american black blues music.
What Led Zepplin did would be like me going to china and playing nirvana songs on a banjo and becoming a famous music star there. One day, the chinese would hear a real nirvana song, and my career is over. good thing for led zepplin, muddy waters is dead.
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by Marty666:
id say the top five worst bands of all time are; led zepplin, rush, linkin park, creed and bon jovi.
they are all a triumph of mediocrity and proof the masses will accept the most bland mass produced tripe as long as its popular. of course rush "trys" to be different, but its calculated and panders to wannabee musicians who are impressed by simple things like off beat rythyms and the number of notes played in a minute. its musical masterbation.
The fact that you even put Rush or Zeppelin in your top 5 worst bands of all-time makes me SERIOUSLY question your knowledge of music and your overall grip on reality/sanity level. I'm not even a fan of Rush honestly, but Neil Peart is one of the greatest drummers ever. As far as Zeppelin, it's one thing to say you don't like them/not your cup of tea. Fine. But for you to dismiss their catalog like that . . . . :eek:
If you said that in a room full of serious music fans/experts, they'd laugh you the fuck outta the room.
With that being said, Creed is MOST DEF a/the front-runner. Fall Out Boy gets honorable mention as well. I'll run with Bizou311's vote & double up on Simple Plan. They unequivocally suck goat ass.
P.S. There's WAAAAY worse bands than Bon Jovi out there. [/b]
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Matchbox 20
Asia
Bush
Sugar Ray
Hootie and the Blowfish
Toad the Wet Sprocket
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I'm kind of bothered that Led Zeppelin is being mentioned in this string but I understand everyone has their different tastes and likings. I'm just thinking though that all these bands that became great like The Beatles and Led Zeppelin, they all took elements from other types of music to make them the band they are. I might be able to better understand why certain people don't like Zeppelin if I actually learned guitar and understood what it is. But Zeppelin laid the groundwork for all future rock bands to come, that's why I'll never be able to say Zeppelin is a crappy band. Heck every band that's created takes an influence from some other music style. It's what popular music is, something for everyone.
So while I'm at it, here's a few to add that shouldn't have existed in the first place:
Hinder
Chevelle
Any hair metal band
Puddle of Mudd
By the way, this new Smashing Pumpkins album is just not doing it for me
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Originally posted by IMAmoose24:
The Doors, Led, and Rush should never have been mentioned in this list. (Especially Led and Rush).
I love Snow Patrol and Bright Eyes, but there is way more of a possibility that they would show up on my worst of list before Led or Rush.
I'll actually add a vote for Bright Eyes, makes great lyrics but could do something about the music
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The Beatles
The Who
Led Zeppelin
The Grateful Dead
and just to prove I don't only loathe nostalgic, over-rated, baby-boomer classic rock I can come up with some modern bands:
Live
The Smashing Pumpkins
Red Hot Chili Peppers (that point made about China/Nirvana/Led Zeppelin can also be applied to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Just substitute George Clinton/P-funk for Muddy Waters.)
oh, and Rush. I don't even think what they produce is music. It's so awful on so many levels. Just three good musicians (I guess?) who have no concept of originality or feeling. Whenever I hear Rush I think about all those monkeys typing Shakespeare. If you put a thousand monkeys in a room with a guitar, bass and drums in about fifteen minutes they would come up with "Power Windows."
Brian
P.S. And I'm not trying to be controversial or "punk" by saying The Beatles are one of the worst bands ever. I really believe that. I have definite opinions about why they are so awful.
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nickleback and creed
no competition
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GTR
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i'm going to just go through bands during my time on earth (less than 25 years. *ahem*). so the firsties that come to mind would include:
saliva.
crazytown.
creed.
linkin park.
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worst thread ever?
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Originally posted by Mobius:
worst thread ever?
<img src="http://home.asparagine.net/jamie/jamie/bloguploads/2006/07/comicbookguy-worst-thread-ever.jpg" alt=" - " />
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by the way, a google image search for "worst post ever" (http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&q=worst+post+ever&btnG=Search+Images) turns this up:
<img src="http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/10/15/PH2006101500491.jpg" alt=" - " />
just sayin ......
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post of the month
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there is a difference between "worst band ever" and "band I hate most ever." The former implies a certain amount of objectivity, whereas the latter is entirely subjective.
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Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
there is a difference between "worst band ever" and "band I hate most ever." The former implies a certain amount of objectivity, whereas the latter is entirely subjective.
which is why i YAWN ever time these threads get started...
Howver, I do believe that the Good Dr. A. Phibes wins this round. The proof is in the bands website URL "rockmerollmejackylmeoff"
But it's also proven fact that GTR=SHT, "Cotten-Eyed Joe" is about as low as one can go one hit wonder wise and Blues Hammer is representative of some really crap suburban blues bands out there.
p.s. the only reason i know the Jackyl website is that I had hoped they would have been missing from that receeding hairline metal fest in ROCKLAHOMA as a way to proven that even crap 80s bands whose gimmick was a chainsaw are occasionally forgotten. Sadly it wasn't the case cause there they were...
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Dispatch.
Hands down.
I saw them live once, a 3 piece jam band that was relatively big (are they still big) because of myspace and giving away their music. You can not have a 3 piece jam band when no one can hold their own on the instruments, flubbed notes, poor singing/harmonizing/just dying songs had many who were not there for the show openly claiming "worst ever".
Who, who is putting down Led Zepplin, the Dead, or Rush or the others actually saw them live in their heyday? Some bands I do not like any of their studio work (or very little), but live they can really put it on, entertain a crowd, and hook even the casual listener in. I was talking to a friend who was into the first punk explosion in the UK (saw the Sex Pistols first time round). Hated Led Zep but a friend begged him to go to the show. In the end he was won over, not a fan but respected them and said it was a great show.
So again, dispatch followed closely by Evanescence and Book of Love. This is based on touring bands headlining gigs.
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well i've never seen Evanescence but was going to mention them as a nomination, but did have the misfortune of seeing book of love once live as support to depeche mode.
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I saw Nickelback open up for Gwar, no lie.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
there is a difference between "worst band ever" and "band I hate most ever." The former implies a certain amount of objectivity, whereas the latter is entirely subjective.
which is why i YAWN ever time these threads get started...
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Dr. Doom hit the nail on the head. I was asking for people to discuss and (possibly) agree on which bands deserve the moniker 'Worst Band Ever,' and maybe come up with some objective criteria by which bands can be judged. Whether or not they should be judged, I don't care.
And most of the threads in this forum make me yawn, kosmo. One-sided discussions galore. At least this provokes arguments on musical merit. And I'm bored. :)
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Obviously none of you ever picked up the Ace of Base CD when it came out 15 years ago or so.
"The Sign" might perhaps be the worst song ever by the worst band ever.
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how can i take your musical opinions seriously, when no one has mentioned the Vengaboys or 2 Unlimited* yet? we're going to eat pizza, ta da dada da da daaa da...
* bjork's cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFGL0QEqfcA) notwithstanding, of course
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hootie & the blownuts
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Kottonmouth Kings
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OK lets pull out the white board and brainstorm some criteria... Remember there is judgment on ideas presented in this first phase.
It must be a band not the creation of producers in a studio. (The likes of Milli Vanilli, Ace of Base,etc were designed to be disposable.)
The band must have reached a large audience in terms of sales or touring.
The band must be truly incomptent in a couple areas, songwriting, musical talent, ability to perform material live, etc.
GO
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Ahh man, Kottonmouth kings are fantastic!
Whoever mentioned the Beatles in this thread should be hung. I don't care about opinions when it comes to the Beatles. They are the best band ever to walk the earth. Period.
By the way, Josh from 9:30 is the man.
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adding to the whiteboard session: i fully agree with all of kosmo's criteria, and further add that the band gets extra demerit points if they actually take themselves seriously, think that they're artistes, etc.
about the "no studio creations" clause - where does that leave britney? does she count as a studio creation?
OMG. no one has mentioned federline or paris hilton, they both have major label releases. we should all be fired. this thread is officially pointless.
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It seems the best way to come up with an answer here is to find a band that NO ONE would seriously try to defend when you start to describe the ways in which they suck.
For everyone who named Beatles, Zeppelin, Rush, Doors, etc... you could probably get at least a few logical, unbiased counter-arguments as to why they don't suck.
There is only one band that comes to mind right now where you could not engage in a debate about their musical competence. So, please, someone speak up and defend the artistic merit of Limp Bizkit.
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Linkin Park
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ok - its an interesting question but reading the thread it became apparent that it was being used as a way for otherwise intelligent people to be ignorant and smug. how do you respond when someone considers the dead, the beatles, white stripes, who or led zeppelin (listen to physical graffitti, at least, guy!) as the worst band ever? its like saying peter sellers is worst comedian ever and the divine comedy is the worst book ever (makes less sense than wookies hanging out with ewoks). maybe you read an untranslated version and don't speak italian - that's on you . . .
I hate phish, but I respect they're not the worst band ever since 'some of my best friends' used to think they were great.
So that said, my vote is for the mighty Starship.
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Anyone dropping known bands like Led Zeppelin and Rush and calling them the worst ever is a lazy jackass just trying to stir up shit, at least be halfway original and mention Queen based on their god-awful 80's output which was almost 100% shit (ever heard "The Invisible Man"? If not consider yourself fortunate).
So...off the top of my head my pick would be Lockup, a horrible L.A. based funk-rock RHCP wannabe band that got signed to Geffen on account of the singers brother working in A&R there and called their album "Something Bitchin' This Way Comes", their effects-dependent guitarist went on to fame and fortune a couple years later playing his bleeps and bloops on guitar for another band raging against that gosh darn machine yet allowing Sony to profit from their music (but he's enough of a rocker not to let an activist mindset get in the way of banging random groupies).
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At least Limp Bizkit had the decency to come out of a large toilet when they toured...
Linkin Park has to rank high on the list due to the fact they changed their name in order to be filed closer to Limp Bizkit in CD racks.
How about bands like Matchbox 20 or i think it was Puddle of Mudd where the lead singer fired all his band mates upon getting signed to a record deal.
Or a band so wretched they got dropped from a tour... Who were the horrid bands that were touring with Weezer at one point.
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Thanks for calling me intelligent, but I truly wasn't trying to be smug or ignorant. I really do think the White Stripes are one of the worst bands ever. Not asking for you to agree with my opinion, just stating mine.
My big question is how do you put the White Stripes into the same category as those other bands?
Originally posted by Mobius:
ok - its an interesting question but reading the thread it became apparent that it was being used as a way for otherwise intelligent people to be ignorant and smug. how do you respond when someone considers the dead, the beatles, white stripes, who or led zeppelin (listen to physical graffitti, at least, guy!) as the worst band ever? its like saying peter sellers is worst comedian ever and the divine comedy is the worst book ever (makes less sense than wookies hanging out with ewoks). maybe you read an untranslated version and don't speak italian - that's on you . . .
I hate phish, but I respect they're not the worst band ever since 'some of my best friends' used to think they were great.
So that said, my vote is for the mighty Starship.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
So that said, my vote is for the mighty Starship.
Do you rule them separate from Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship? Wait, they're pretty bad too.
Also, if you want to talk about a lack of technical proficiency, the Sex Pistols have to be way up there.
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OutKast
311
Journey
Originally posted by kosmo:
It must be a band not the creation of producers in a studio.
The band must have reached a large audience in terms of sales or touring.
The band must be truly incomptent in a couple areas, songwriting, musical talent, ability to perform material live, etc.
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Originally posted by eros:
Originally posted by Mobius:
So that said, my vote is for the mighty Starship.
Do you rule them separate from Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship? Wait, they're pretty bad too.
Also, if you want to talk about a lack of technical proficiency, the Sex Pistols have to be way up there. [/b]
well only one member of the sex pistols was truly incompetent...
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Originally posted by IMAmoose24:
Ahh man, Kottonmouth kings are fantastic!
Whoever mentioned the Beatles in this thread should be hung. I don't care about opinions when it comes to the Beatles. They are the best band ever to walk the earth. Period.
By the way, Josh from 9:30 is the man.
To agree with you, The Beatles definitely should NOT be included here. I'm not a big Beatles fan by any stretch of the imagination, but respect is due.
I also forgot the Kottonmouth Kingz. I saw them open up for somebody for free, & I wanted my fuckin' money back.
I would include Evanescence, but shorty (the lead singer) has an OK voice, so I'll let them slide. Even though their band & songs suck ass. But that's personal opinion, so whatever.
BTW, The Rolling Stones are better than The Beatles. We can start a thread about that if you wish.
2nd vote for Rednex as well. Their musical legacy was "Cotton Eye Joe". Nuff said . . . .
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Thanks for calling me intelligent, but I truly wasn't trying to be smug or ignorant. I really do think the White Stripes are one of the worst bands ever. Not asking for you to agree with my opinion, just stating mine.
My big question is how do you put the White Stripes into the same category as those other bands?
Originally posted by Mobius:
ok - its an interesting question but reading the thread it became apparent that it was being used as a way for otherwise intelligent people to be ignorant and smug. how do you respond when someone considers the dead, the beatles, white stripes, who or led zeppelin (listen to physical graffitti, at least, guy!) as the worst band ever? its like saying peter sellers is worst comedian ever and the divine comedy is the worst book ever (makes less sense than wookies hanging out with ewoks). maybe you read an untranslated version and don't speak italian - that's on you . . .
I hate phish, but I respect they're not the worst band ever since 'some of my best friends' used to think they were great.
So that said, my vote is for the mighty Starship.
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Bottom line is that White Blood Cells is an amazing record and Seven Nation Army an amazing single. Jack really hit his stride in terms of songwriting, etc with those, he's gotten a little bloated and self indulgent since then. Live he and bigger sister Meg play without a set list, so theres more spontaneity then your average band. When Jack is on the White Stripes put on an killer mind numbingly great show.
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Originally posted by renton007:
OutKast
311
Journey
Originally posted by kosmo:
It must be a band not the creation of producers in a studio.
The band must have reached a large audience in terms of sales or touring.
The band must be truly incomptent in a couple areas, songwriting, musical talent, ability to perform material live, etc.
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Did you really just have the nerve to mention OutKast in the same breath/post as 311 & Journey????? Someone please shut this fuckin' thread down. It's over . . . .
Originally posted by kosmo:
Bottom line is that White Blood Cells is an amazing record and Seven Nation Army an amazing single . . . When Jack is on the White Stripes put on an killer mind numbingly great show.
True story.
And in their catalog, Elephant is :p
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we can't shut down this thread, criteria for what defines the worst band ever hasn't been determined. it has per usual gone off track :D
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Dude, Outkast is freakin' terrible. They make me want to strangle someone.
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I'm sorry, you must be lost. The "best song ever" thread is elsewhere.
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
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Ohh Puuuulllleeeaazzee..
This is easily one of the most annoying threads not started by someone who (a) did something stupid in the club and is bitching about it or (b) showed up two days too late to buy tickets to a show and is complaining about it ever.
First off, you do a disservice to say "Worst band ever" thread and then decide half way through the posts "well, what I really menat was...." but nonetheless, to the rest of you wanna be Rhett's, if you have to take the entire collection of The Doors, The Grateful Dead, The Doors, Zep, Rush or Ugly Kid Joe with you to a deserted island, not a single one of you would take Ugly Kid Show, so shut the hell up. It's as stupid to say that some band is the worst band ever as it is to say that they are the best band ever. Congratulations, you said something obnoxious about something most others revel in and you can now submit your resume to Pitchfork because you have earned indie cred. Pathetic.
And here I was hoping that fatherhood would make Rhett a little less Rhett like and here we are one week later with the biggest "I want to be the next Rhett on the board" competition in years.
And to the boardie that said Journey - you and me, McPherson Square at sun down. Come alone.
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Signs that you are a "worst band":
1. Critique the pillars of your genre (metal bands dissing Zep or Sabbath).
2. Changing name/personnel to "make it" (SR-71, Lincoln Park).
3. Covering someones well known song, destroying it.
4. Dissing your peers as if you are somehow better.
5. Incompetence live. Sure the studio may be where you (or the session musicians you use) work best, but if you can not pull it off live, strike against you.
6. Time from release to the cutout bin/$1 bin at the used CD stores is under a year.
7. Genre jumping to get play.
8. Being a clone of some other band's sound.
9. Just being bad.
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Submitting evidence to back up my pick of Lockup as worst band ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D15mQi83PJM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D15mQi83PJM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY2PGuDacxY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY2PGuDacxY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qOJKX2lXE0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qOJKX2lXE0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jzqyCVjM0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jzqyCVjM0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEdOR4RL01M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEdOR4RL01M)
Looks like the guy put the whole album song by song on youtube but I can't see anyone getting through the 5 I posted.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
And to the boardie that said Journey - you and me, McPherson Square at sun down. Come alone.
Early front-runner for post of the week . . . .
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think my man from a couple posts earlier was onto some nice criteria. On some glass half-full type shit, I could say Wes Borland was almost average guitarist on his best day. In spite of that generous assessment, I cannot conjure up an argument to defend the artistic merit of Limp Bizkit. I have nothing . . .
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Vansmack woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, or is posting before his first cup of coffee. I maintain Journey is terrible but they are not worth fighting over. I admire your spunk.
Hugs & Kisses
rents
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Originally posted by renton007:
Vansmack woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, or is posting before his first cup of coffee. I maintain Journey is terrible but they are not worth fighting over. I admire your spunk.
Hugs & Kisses
rents
It's Mountain Dew, actually, and you're spot on. Halfway through my first, and feeling much better now, thanks. But I'm still fighting to the death to defend the honor of Journey. Don't stop believin'!!!
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The only praise I can give them is that Wes thanked Ween in the liner notes to one of their albums. Otherwise...yeah.
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
I think my man from a couple posts earlier was onto some nice criteria. On some glass half-full type shit, I could say Wes Borland was almost average guitarist on his best day. In spite of that generous assessment, I cannot conjure up an argument to defend the artistic merit of Limp Bizkit. I have nothing . . .
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Originally posted by vansmack:
But I'm still fighting to the death to defend the honor of Journey. Don't stop believin'!!!
Even the new, Perry-less Journey?
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Even the new, Perry-less Journey?
It's like Rocky 5, the fat Britney era, Barry Bonds in a Pirates uniform and vegetarian only restaurants: Does not exist.
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Originally posted by vansmack:
But I'm still fighting to the death to defend the honor of Journey. Don't stop believin'!!!
Even the new, Perry-less Journey? [/b]
Perry-less Journey is like strippers that keep on pasties & g-strings. Completely & utterly pointless . . . . .
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Perry-less Journey is like strippers that keep on pasties & g-strings. Completely & utterly pointless . . . . .
Will you be my new best friend?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Perry-less Journey is like strippers that keep on pasties & g-strings. Completely & utterly pointless . . . . .
Will you be my new best friend? [/b]
So long as we can add "Don't Stand So Close To Me '86" to this list of non-existent, pointless things, I'm in . . .
Matter of fact, what were we talking about again??? :D
P.S. Insane Clown Posse is awwwwwwwful. Tack on a vote for them. Anytime an act can make Nelly look lyrical by comparison, a re-evaluation of your existence needs to be taken.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by vansmack:
And to the boardie that said Journey - you and me, McPherson Square at sun down. Come alone.
Early front-runner for post of the week . . . .
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think my man from a couple posts earlier was onto some nice criteria. On some glass half-full type shit, I could say Wes Borland was almost average guitarist on his best day. In spite of that generous assessment, I cannot conjure up an argument to defend the artistic merit of Limp Bizkit. I have nothing . . . [/b]
disclaimer: i used to work for this newspaper and went to college in this town and frequently check out what's going on there... i saw this, this morning.
SO ANYWAY - wes borland is actually touring with his new band and obviously doing so well as they are making a stop in huntington, west virginia.
from the story...
"I'm glad that people were there to listen to [Bizkit's music] and to check it out, but I find it irrelevant compared to what I'm doing now," Borland, now 32, and the frontman and principal songwriter for Black Light Burns, said by phone from a recent Orlando tour stop.
Pressed further about the "Three Dollar Bill Ya'll" anniversary, Borland dropped a bomb: "I bet I haven't listened to the first record in all of ten years."
oh, and don't forget about his oil painting career! (http://www.theborlandgallery.com) (mostly NSFW as i managed to find out at work)
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I'm surprised Fallout Boy hasn't been mentioned...
Got a couple more criteria
Claiming the bass line you lifted is one note different than the original.
Having the hit breakthrough single ghost written.
Listing one's own band as best album, etc of the year.
the last two are in honor of SR-71 since i'm pretty sure that Butch Walker actually wrote that first single of theirs after the band delivered their album to the record company. I remember ROTFLMAO seeing the bands leader list his band as several of his own top picks in a Baltimore paper.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
So long as we can add "Don't Stand So Close To Me '86" to this list of non-existent, pointless things, I'm in . . .
haha no doubt, what a piece of shit that song was.
Though I have to admit, Insane Clown Posse gets a pass from me for their movie "Big Money Hustlas", their song "Fuck The World" and their Howard Stern appearances (especially their on-air fight with Sharon Osbourne).
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I also find it funny that it's no longer cool to bash U2. I'm sure by the next album, it will be all the rage again....
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Originally posted by kosmo:
I'm surprised Fallout Boy hasn't been mentioned...
Got a couple more criteria
Claiming the bass line you lifted is one note different than the original.
Having the hit breakthrough single ghost written.
Listing one's own band as best album, etc of the year.
the last two are in honor of SR-71 since i'm pretty sure that Butch Walker actually wrote that first single of theirs after the band delivered their album to the record company. I remember ROTFLMAO seeing the bands leader list his band as several of his own top picks in a Baltimore paper.
I would assume your first one is attributed to a certain Mr. Van Winkle? haha
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
So long as we can add "Don't Stand So Close To Me '86" to this list of non-existent, pointless things, I'm in . . .
haha no doubt, what a piece of shit that song was.
Though I have to admit, Insane Clown Posse gets a pass from me for their movie "Big Money Hustlas", their song "Fuck The World" and their Howard Stern appearances (especially their on-air fight with Sharon Osbourne). [/b]
Yes Fuck the World. That is a brilliant song (for the toll guy they curse out on it).
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I also find it funny that it's no longer cool to bash U2. I'm sure by the next album, it will be all the rage again....
i actually hate u2. a lot. a lot a lot.
but don't find them to be the worst band ever by any stretch of the imagination.
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
Originally posted by kosmo:
I'm surprised Fallout Boy hasn't been mentioned...
Got a couple more criteria
Claiming the bass line you lifted is one note different than the original.
Having the hit breakthrough single ghost written.
Listing one's own band as best album, etc of the year.
the last two are in honor of SR-71 since i'm pretty sure that Butch Walker actually wrote that first single of theirs after the band delivered their album to the record company. I remember ROTFLMAO seeing the bands leader list his band as several of his own top picks in a Baltimore paper.
I would assume your first one is attributed to a certain Mr. Van Winkle? haha [/b]
And I quote,
"Nah. Nah. Ours is competely different. Our bassline goes 'dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun . . TING! The ting at the end makes it completely different. Yeah."
What a bitch . . . . LOL
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I also find it funny that it's no longer cool to bash U2. I'm sure by the next album, it will be all the rage again....
Even idiots/haters come to their senses eventually, my friend . . . .
Originally posted by miss p...dirty pirate hooker:
Originally posted by vansmack:
I also find it funny that it's no longer cool to bash U2. I'm sure by the next album, it will be all the rage again....
i actually hate u2. a lot. a lot a lot.
but don't find them to be the worst band ever by any stretch of the imagination. [/b]
Oh, well. Even I am/was growing to love your posts, I knew there had to be something wrong with you. Everyone has their faults . . . Shit happens . . . . .
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i know. i know.
i can't be perfect... fucking adorable with great taste in music.
but not perfect... i understand ;)
Originally posted by miss p...dirty pirate hooker:
Originally posted by vansmack:
I also find it funny that it's no longer cool to bash U2. I'm sure by the next album, it will be all the rage again....
i actually hate u2. a lot. a lot a lot.
but don't find them to be the worst band ever by any stretch of the imagination. [/b]
Oh, well. Even I am/was growing to love your posts, I knew there had to be something wrong with you. Everyone has their faults . . . Shit happens . . . . . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Signs that you are a "worst band":
1. Critique the pillars of your genre (metal bands dissing Zep or Sabbath).
2. Changing name/personnel to "make it" (SR-71, Lincoln Park).
3. Covering someones well known song, destroying it.
4. Dissing your peers as if you are somehow better.
5. Incompetence live. Sure the studio may be where you (or the session musicians you use) work best, but if you can not pull it off live, strike against you.
6. Time from release to the cutout bin/$1 bin at the used CD stores is under a year.
7. Genre jumping to get play.
8. Being a clone of some other band's sound.
9. Just being bad.
I can't believe noone's mentioned Third Eye Blind, they fit pretty much all of these
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
Originally posted by kosmo:
I'm surprised Fallout Boy hasn't been mentioned...
Got a couple more criteria
Claiming the bass line you lifted is one note different than the original.
Having the hit breakthrough single ghost written.
Listing one's own band as best album, etc of the year.
the last two are in honor of SR-71 since i'm pretty sure that Butch Walker actually wrote that first single of theirs after the band delivered their album to the record company. I remember ROTFLMAO seeing the bands leader list his band as several of his own top picks in a Baltimore paper.
I would assume your first one is attributed to a certain Mr. Van Winkle? haha [/b]
And I quote,
"Nah. Nah. Ours is competely different. Our bassline goes 'dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun . . TING! The ting at the end makes it completely different. Yeah."
What a bitch . . . . LOL [/b]
A piece of useless trivia, I once worked with the guy responsible for nicking the "Under Pressure" riff when he was DJing for Vanilla Ice (aka Deshay as in "check out the hook while Deshay revolves it"). He DJed for both Vanilla Ice AND Usher at the beginning of their careers (and left both) as well as putting out an album on A&M that tanked, poor guy was like the Jason Everman of the R&B/Hip-hop genre HAHA
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well i really hate these threads, but after a show on friday night - i was moreso curious.
i saw zebrahead open for unwritten law. i was curious if zebrahead was for real. the whole show consisted of a lot of cursing, yelling for a moshpit, assigning people to the moshpit (monitoring it, etc). and the lead singer taking his shirt off and proudly displaying his chest. i think there was some 'singing' in there maybe with some songs.
i was thinking it was god-awful, and luckily my date agreed with me. for those wondering why i went to this show, only to slam it - said date ended up with an extra ticket and me more interested in seeing the guy and knowing his fav. band was unwritten law went along. the date was f'ing incredible, so i suddenly cared less that his fav band was unwritten law :D
oddly enough - with 3 openers - unwritten law's set had to be shortened because at midnight apparently the gramercy theater closes. and somewhere in UL's set, i kinda started liking them, only to remember "seeing red" used to make me want to hurt someone :p
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Signs that you are a "worst band":
1. Critique the pillars of your genre (metal bands dissing Zep or Sabbath).
2. Changing name/personnel to "make it" (SR-71, Lincoln Park).
3. Covering someones well known song, destroying it.
4. Dissing your peers as if you are somehow better.
5. Incompetence live. Sure the studio may be where you (or the session musicians you use) work best, but if you can not pull it off live, strike against you.
6. Time from release to the cutout bin/$1 bin at the used CD stores is under a year.
7. Genre jumping to get play.
8. Being a clone of some other band's sound.
9. Just being bad.
I can't believe noone's mentioned Third Eye Blind, they fit pretty much all of these [/b]
Third Eye Blind isn't that bad. They're a group that writes somewhat cheesy power-pop songs. They are what they are. They look immaculate compared to oh, say, Fallout Boy???
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Originally posted by miss p...dirty pirate hooker:
i know. i know.
i can't be perfect... fucking adorable with great taste in music.
but not perfect... i understand ;)
Ah, yes. The Miss P I know & (maybe one day) ;) love. That's my girl.
Full off that meal of humble pie I see???? :p
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Originally posted by miss p...dirty pirate hooker:
i actually hate u2. a lot. a lot a lot.
but don't find them to be the worst band ever by any stretch of the imagination.
There's got to be a term for:
"Something you liked, then you grew to hate it. Then your hatred became so strong you question if you ever really liked it in the first place."
Come on! There's got to be some bored people on here with English degrees. The above feeling is how I feel about U2. Oddly enough, it's also how I feel about "The Simpsons." I hate both.
Originally posted by eros:
There is only one band that comes to mind right now where you could not engage in a debate about their musical competence. So, please, someone speak up and defend the artistic merit of Limp Bizkit.
However, I'll defend Limp Bizkit. I'm not saying they were great but they were a McDonald's kind of band. Lowest common denominator. Nothing memorable. And they actually mattered for a couple of years. I think you are confusing your hatred for Fred Durst for hatred of Limp Bizkit. Limp Bizkit's last album was so punk. No singles. No promo. (No sales, either.) But if you're going to stick to your guns, I admire that.
Linkin Park are far worse than Limp Bizkit. "Nookie" is a fun song to crank in a convertible.
Also, someone like Billy Corgan or Lars Ulrich is a FAR bigger douchebag than Fred Durst.
Brian
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Originally posted by miss p...dirty pirate hooker:
i actually hate u2. a lot. a lot a lot.
but don't find them to be the worst band ever by any stretch of the imagination.
There's got to be a term for:
"Something you liked, then you grew to hate it. Then your hatred became so strong you question if you ever really liked it in the first place."
Come on! There's got to be some bored people on here with English degrees. The above feeling is how I feel about U2. Oddly enough, it's also how I feel about "The Simpsons." I hate both.
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Any further bashing of U2 has a strong possiblity of ending in a violent barrage of water balloons coming at your person. We'll call it "Monday Bloody Monday."
TheDirector217
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
The Beatles
The Who
Led Zeppelin
The Grateful Dead
....
Live
The Smashing Pumpkins
Red Hot Chili Peppers (that point made about China/Nirvana/Led Zeppelin can also be applied to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Just substitute George Clinton/P-funk for Muddy Waters.)
oh, and Rush. I don't even think what they produce is music. It's so awful on so many levels.
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
However, I'll defend Limp Bizkit.
Now it's official. You really are just trying to be controversial. Pathetic.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Any further bashing of U2 has a strong possiblity of ending in a violent barrage of water balloons coming at your person. We'll call it "Monday Bloody Monday."
TheDirector217
Hey, I saw the REHERSAL show for Zoo TV at the very same place where you are going to see The Police in a couple of weeks. I thought "Achtung Baby" was great. Then the milk spoiled.
Brian
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
The Beatles
The Who
Led Zeppelin
The Grateful Dead
....
Live
The Smashing Pumpkins
Red Hot Chili Peppers (that point made about China/Nirvana/Led Zeppelin can also be applied to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Just substitute George Clinton/P-funk for Muddy Waters.)
oh, and Rush. I don't even think what they produce is music. It's so awful on so many levels.
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
However, I'll defend Limp Bizkit.
Now it's official. You really are just trying to be controversial. Pathetic. [/b]
True story/co-sign. I've been sifting through so much filth flarn filth in this thread I completely forgot about that. File Mr._Walalce's previous post under "Things That Never Happened" thread.
TheDirector217
:D
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Any further bashing of U2 has a strong possiblity of ending in a violent barrage of water balloons coming at your person. We'll call it "Monday Bloody Monday."
TheDirector217
Hey, I saw the REHERSAL show for Zoo TV at the very same place where you are going to see The Police in a couple of weeks. I thought "Achtung Baby" was great. Then the milk spoiled.
Brian [/b]
"Achtung Baby" was fucking garbage, I still find it hard to believe that a band that released "Boy" "October" and "War" had the balls to even attach their name to that piece of shit.
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
I think you are confusing your hatred for Fred Durst for hatred of Limp Bizkit.
Lock that quote up for the time capsule.
That's the problem with subjective threads like these. There is a difference between a band just being bad and hating them. I don't like Bob Dylan. Don't get it. Never will. That doesn't mean I don't think he has some sort of talent and I do understand why others might enjoy his music.
On the other hand, Limp Bizkit/Fred Durst is and will always be a complete no-talent assclown. I'm guessing the reason his last album didn't sell jack was because no record company was willing to promote it and lose their ass doing so.
As far as being less of a douchebag than Billy or Lars, that's not exactly something I'd put on my resume. Come to think of it, have those 3 ever been in the same room together? Their combined energies would create a perfect storm of douchebaggery.
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Any further bashing of U2 has a strong possiblity of ending in a violent barrage of water balloons coming at your person. We'll call it "Monday Bloody Monday."
TheDirector217
Hey, I saw the REHERSAL show for Zoo TV at the very same place where you are going to see The Police in a couple of weeks. I thought "Achtung Baby" was great. Then the milk spoiled.
Brian [/b]
"Achtung Baby" was fucking garbage, I still find it hard to believe that a band that released "Boy" "October" and "War" had the balls to even attach their name to that piece of shit. [/b]
Any further negative commentary towards Achtung Baby will result in the barrage of water balloons redirected towards you.
I WILL find you.
I will find you & strike down upon thee with great vengance & FURIOUS anger & you will know my name is The FUCKIN' DIRECTOR!!!!
Thank you for your time . . . . .
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Originally posted by IMAmoose24:
By the way, Josh from 9:30 is the man.
thanks. why?
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Any further bashing of U2 has a strong possiblity of ending in a violent barrage of water balloons coming at your person. We'll call it "Monday Bloody Monday."
TheDirector217
Hey, I saw the REHERSAL show for Zoo TV at the very same place where you are going to see The Police in a couple of weeks. I thought "Achtung Baby" was great. Then the milk spoiled.
Brian [/b]
"Achtung Baby" was fucking garbage, I still find it hard to believe that a band that released "Boy" "October" and "War" had the balls to even attach their name to that piece of shit. [/b]
Any further negative commentary towards Achtung Baby will result in the barrage of water balloons redirected towards you.
I WILL find you.
I will find you & strike down upon thee with great vengance & FURIOUS anger & you will know my name is The FUCKIN' DIRECTOR!!!!
Thank you for your time . . . . . [/b]
I'm sorry and it's really not to stir up shit but it's a fucking terrible album, I had my doubts as to what they would come up with as "The Joshua Tree" and "Rattle and Hum" were fairly tepid but it was far worse than I had imagined it would be. You can bring on the fight haha but I'll win by bringing the finishing move and making you watch my video bootleg of them playing the US Festival in '83 and then going back to the "Achtung Baby" era will be like being served warm piss after you just enjoyed a glass of fine wine haha
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by IMAmoose24:
By the way, Josh from 9:30 is the man.
thanks. why? [/b]
psst (http://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&client=firefox-a&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=worst%20post%20ever)
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Another criterion: Claiming that fans of your previous shit band were stupid and holding you back from your future shit band.
I craved to alienate those people because they were so dumb... (http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/maroon_5/news_feature_040308/)
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Any further negative commentary towards Achtung Baby will result in the barrage of water balloons redirected towards you.
I WILL find you.
You can find me at V Fest when it's 99 degrees and I'm surrounded by 30,000 sweaty people.
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back to trashing Damp Scones... their label openly paid a radio station $5K to air a song from their debut album 50 times in five weeks.
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Originally posted by 6949:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Any further negative commentary towards Achtung Baby will result in the barrage of water balloons redirected towards you.
I WILL find you.
You can find me at V Fest when it's 99 degrees and I'm surrounded by 30,000 sweaty people. [/b]
He didn't necessarily say that he would put water in the water balloons.
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
Originally posted by 6949:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Any further negative commentary towards Achtung Baby will result in the barrage of water balloons redirected towards you.
I WILL find you.
You can find me at V Fest when it's 99 degrees and I'm surrounded by 30,000 sweaty people. [/b]
He didn't necessarily say that he would put water in the water balloons. [/b]
Indeed I did not. :eek:
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Another criterion: Claiming that fans of your previous shit band were stupid and holding you back from your future shit band.
I craved to alienate those people because they were so dumb... (http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/maroon_5/news_feature_040308/)
i've heard that record and it had one really great power pop song on it the represent pretty medicore.
i'm guessin he's more pissed by the fact that more promo copies were sold then actual releases, and watching what those promos were pulling in eBay at one time. i'm sure he was really pissed when Rhino actually released that album.
i saw kara's flowers along with a young phantom planet in la in 1999... by then they were on about their third change in sound.. going for the hootie and blowfish if my fuzzy memory of the train wreck they were. i got at that show what would probably be a really valuable demo of theirs. unfortunately its a CDR and the silver has degraded so it's unplayable.
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Oh, I totally forgot Pink Floyd. They are so easy to forget. They are worse than Led Zeppelin and the Beatles COMBINED.
Brian
P.S. Another criteria?: Being pwned by Stephen Malkmus in a Pavement song (Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots.)
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i also really hate pink floyd a lot a lot.
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Oh, I totally forgot Pink Floyd. They are so easy to forget. They are worse than Led Zeppelin and the Beatles COMBINED.
Brian
P.S. Another criteria?: Being pwned by Stephen Malkmus in a Pavement song (Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots.)
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yeah, old music sux
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
yeah, old music sux
absolutely. music that has had the opportunity to develop a following must automatically suck. besides, more than 2,500 peeple have copies of their music - how un-indie is that?
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What formula did you use to arrive at that conclusion?
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Oh, I totally forgot Pink Floyd. They are so easy to forget. They are worse than Led Zeppelin and the Beatles COMBINED.
Brian
P.S. Another criteria?: Being pwned by Stephen Malkmus in a Pavement song (Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots.)
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No it isn't. That "What Is Love" song is.
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
"Nookie" is a fun song to crank in a convertible.
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oh-so-shocking facile statement - (any actual knowledge + taste) * desire to be noticed = :roll:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
What formula did you use to arrive at that conclusion?
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Oh, I totally forgot Pink Floyd. They are so easy to forget. They are worse than Led Zeppelin and the Beatles COMBINED.
Brian
P.S. Another criteria?: Being pwned by Stephen Malkmus in a Pavement song (Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots.)
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gotta agree with those who are dumbfounded by the trashing of older bands like led zeppelin, rush, the who, the beatles, the doors, pink floyd, etc. what about hendrix? does he suck too? i'm sure CCR and the stones blow goat balls, right? black sabbath? complete trash.
admittedly, i grew up with all of these bands from the age of 8 to high school. and guess what? i now have over 4000 lps/cds/tapes, and i still think that all of these bands have their worth. you gotta dig a little deeper than that annoying single that's played on classic rock radio ad infinitum.
and there's nothing more cliched than trashing zeppelin for ripping off old blues artists and trashing rush for being pretentious crap for sci-fi nerds and 13-year-old boys. while zeppelin was obviously influenced by old blues, both delta and electric, they were also influenced by tons of folk, especially fairport convention, the incredible string band, and pentangle. you can't listen to "the battle of evermore" or "going to california" and tell me that they're ripping off the blues. and songs like "no quarter" and "achilles last stand" just transcend any sort of cliched hard rock.
yeah, i know, this might be too much for some people to think about. i won't even start to get into how brilliant pink floyd was from 1967-1977.
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i don't understand why people are dumbfounded by personal opinions.
you know, this may be the 'worst band ever' thread, but it's super subjective for the most part (as stated earlier).
Originally posted by snailhook:
gotta agree with those who are dumbfounded by the trashing of older bands like led zeppelin, rush, the who, the beatles, the doors, pink floyd, etc. what about hendrix? does he suck too? i'm sure CCR and the stones blow goat balls, right? black sabbath? complete trash.
admittedly, i grew up with all of these bands from the age of 8 to high school. and guess what? i now have over 4000 lps/cds/tapes, and i still think that all of these bands have their worth. you gotta dig a little deeper than that annoying single that's played on classic rock radio ad infinitum.
and there's nothing more cliched than trashing zeppelin for ripping off old blues artists and trashing rush for being pretentious crap for sci-fi nerds and 13-year-old boys. while zeppelin was obviously influenced by old blues, both delta and electric, they were also influenced by tons of folk, especially fairport convention, the incredible string band, and pentangle. you can't listen to "the battle of evermore" or "going to california" and tell me that they're ripping off the blues. and songs like "no quarter" and "achilles last stand" just transcend any sort of cliched hard rock.
yeah, i know, this might be too much for some people to think about. i won't even start to get into how brilliant pink floyd was from 1967-1977.
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Originally posted by miss p...dirty pirate hooker:
i don't understand why people are dumbfounded by personal opinions.
Maybe it's the definition you're struggling with:
WORST:
The farthest from the best. The most horrible. The pits. To have nothing good.
BAND:
A group of people who come together to play music.
EVER:
At all times; all the time and on every occasion.
Now, be honest with yourself and tell me that the majority of the bands listed fit that description. This is not a thread about the band least deserving of it's accolades, this thread is about the WORST BAND EVER. Hence, the dumbfoundedness. Personal opinions are one thing, but this is done primarily for shock value. You yourself said that you hate U2 but under no circumstances could they be the worst band ever. The Dead, the Doors, Zep, etc are in the same boat - you may not like them, but they can't be anywhere near the worst band ever.
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well said, vansmack. i don't like U2 at all after the unforgettable fire, but i wouldn't call them the worst band ever, not by a long shot.
however, kottonmouth kings are in consideration. the two 9:30 shows i worked when they played were just atrocious.
personal opinion is fine if you have some substance to back it up. and i find many of the opinions in this thread lacking substance.
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more criteria
How well does a band stand the test of time.
The impact of idiotic verbal diarrhea aka The Nuge Clause
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i think brian walalace (if that IS your real name) was actually right in between the times he was wrong. he mentioned live.
live is the worst band of all time.
i am confident in this.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i think brian walalace (if that IS your real name) was actually right in between the times he was wrong. he mentioned live.
live is the worst band of all time.
i am confident in this.
pa-aaaa-aaaa-in lies on the riverside, yeah
and paaaa-aaaa-ain will never say good-bye, oh no
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What we need to is start a pro/con whiteboard for a few bands. For instance KISS IMHO could be ranked among the worst. Their cons being the rather amateurish songwriting. Their pro of course being the ability to come with a gimmick to overcome the fact they were a below average bar band.
I can also say Foghat ranks up there as well...
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I can't believe no one's mentioned Third Eye Blind, they fit pretty much all of these
Third Eye Blind isn't that bad. They're a group that writes somewhat cheesy power-pop songs. They are what they are.
In my opinion, they have become that bad. The feeback from the last show was they sounded like a Third Eye Blind cover band. It's cool if you dig 'em, (heck, I listened to them for two weeks when they first arrived), and it's fine that they write pop songs - that's not the point. They meet a large quota of the requisites on the aforementioned list, plus, it's 2007, not 1997.
Take them, Sugar Ray and the Gin Blossoms, but leave Toad The Wet Sprocket, who never bothered nobody in the 90s. :D
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Originally posted by BookerT:
live is the worst band of all time.
i am confident in this.
In a past discussion, a few chimed in that "Throwing Copper" was an outstanding release for it's time.
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Originally posted by Greer Zoller:
[qb]
Take them, Sugar Ray and the Gin Blossoms, but leave Toad The Wet Sprocket, who never bothered nobody in the 90s. :D [/b]
let's not forget Tonic.
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Originally posted by snailhook:
personal opinion is fine if you have some substance to back it up. and i find many of the opinions in this thread lacking substance.
Definitely. It's not the "Band I Can't Stand" thread.
I've always said The Vines are the worst band I've seen live. I don't know enough about them to put them in the "worst band" category. However, after looking at Kosmo's list they did meet some of the criteria to belong here. (cancelled tour, lack of support from label, WTF is he screaming on stage?, majority hated their live performance etc.)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Greer Zoller:
[qb]
Take them, Sugar Ray and the Gin Blossoms, but leave Toad The Wet Sprocket, who never bothered nobody in the 90s. :D [/b]
let's not forget Tonic. [/b]
Well, I blame the radio stations for that one. Speaking of, I'm sure someone on this board had that one Tonic song on a mix tape at some point. ;) Weren't they a part of Lolla one year? A little cred for those prior to...1998? :p
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
let's not forget Tonic.
Thanks a lot. While you're singing Live all day, I'll be humming this ditty:
If you could only see the way she loves me
Then maybe you would understand
Why I feel this way about or love
And what I must do
If you could only see how blue her eyes can be when she says
When she says she loves me
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Anyone read the stephen king story about an old man who can't accept growing old so brings back to life the dead mummified corpses of a british sixties rock band to sing along with to their songs that are all now beer commercials?
oh wait, its not a short story, its the rolling stones 2007 european tour.
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Maybe it would be easier for everyone if you compiled us a list of bands we're allowed to choose from when naming our own personal choice for worst band ever.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by miss p...dirty pirate hooker:
i don't understand why people are dumbfounded by personal opinions.
Maybe it's the definition you're struggling with:
WORST:
The farthest from the best. The most horrible. The pits. To have nothing good.
BAND:
A group of people who come together to play music.
EVER:
At all times; all the time and on every occasion.
Now, be honest with yourself and tell me that the majority of the bands listed fit that description. This is not a thread about the band least deserving of it's accolades, this thread is about the WORST BAND EVER. Hence, the dumbfoundedness. Personal opinions are one thing, but this is done primarily for shock value. You yourself said that you hate U2 but under no circumstances could they be the worst band ever. The Dead, the Doors, Zep, etc are in the same boat - you may not like them, but they can't be anywhere near the worst band ever. [/b]
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I'm with BookerT, if for nothing else than the lyric "Her placenta falls to the floor."
Originally posted by BookerT:
i think brian walalace (if that IS your real name) was actually right in between the times he was wrong. he mentioned live.
live is the worst band of all time.
i am confident in this.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
For instance KISS IMHO could be ranked among the worst.
Oh, HELL no! There is nothing wrong with a little good-time party rock every now and then and KISS brought that in spades. Their live show was an amazing spectacle that most folks here would probably never lower themselves to experience. In their prime, they did it bigger and better than anyone.
KISS fucking rules.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Maybe it would be easier for everyone if you compiled us a list of bands we're allowed to choose from when naming our own personal choice for worst band ever.
Everbody knows it starts and ends with these guys: (http://www.cartelrocks.com/)
<img src="http://www.mtv.com/bands/c/cartel/flipbook_08_06/images/01_h.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Maybe it would be easier for everyone if you compiled us a list of bands we're allowed to choose from when naming our own personal choice for worst band ever.
Everbody knows it starts and ends with these guys: (http://www.cartelrocks.com/)
<img src="http://www.mtv.com/bands/c/cartel/flipbook_08_06/images/01_h.jpg" alt=" - " /> [/b]
Yeah. They meet every pre-requisite listed. I dare someone to debate this one . . . .
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The "Monsters of Rock - Platinum Edition" commercial I just saw reminded me of a whole swath of bands that clearly need to be put out there. I submit Warrant, Trixter, and Winger.
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Originally posted by kosmo:
For instance KISS IMHO could be ranked among the worst.
Oh, HELL no! There is nothing wrong with a little good-time party rock every now and then and KISS brought that in spades. Their live show was an amazing spectacle that most folks here would probably never lower themselves to experience. In their prime, they did it bigger and better than anyone.
KISS fucking rules. [/b]
ok so this an example of me posting while grumpy...
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i say that KISS can be comfortably placed at either extreme... they embody, at the same, the best and the worse of rock'n'roll. by that virtue alone they aren't the worse band ever, since they have redeeming qualities.
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criteria r' us
Any band with multiple farewell tours (The KISS clause)
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It takes exponentially more "bad" later in the career to overcome the early career highs. (Kiss clause 2).
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bands with multiple comeback tours
bands that spawn less then spectacular side or solo projects
bands that change non essential personal on a regular basis
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Oh, I totally forgot Pink Floyd. They are so easy to forget. They are worse than Led Zeppelin and the Beatles COMBINED.
Brian
P.S. Another criteria?: Being pwned by Stephen Malkmus in a Pavement song (Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots.)
That's an interesting way to put it. Along those same lines I'll say that Pink Floyd's Meddle - and now that you mention it, Crooked Rain Crooked Rain - are EACH worse than sex and skiing COMBINED. Of course, they're still some of the better things ever.
Its interesting that Pavement destroyed the Smashing Pumpkins, but they kind of let STP off easy. I mean, there's nothing really bad about being a foxy elegant bachelor in the grand scheme.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Any band with multiple farewell tours (The KISS clause)
also known as the "Ozzy Ammendment"
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
The Beatles
The Who
Led Zeppelin
The Grateful Dead
....
Live
The Smashing Pumpkins
Red Hot Chili Peppers (that point made about China/Nirvana/Led Zeppelin can also be applied to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Just substitute George Clinton/P-funk for Muddy Waters.)
oh, and Rush. I don't even think what they produce is music. It's so awful on so many levels.
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
However, I'll defend Limp Bizkit.
Now it's official. You really are just trying to be controversial. Pathetic. [/b]
Just a small addition to the epistle...
I genuinely hate the Beatles, et al. I have NO idea what they are talking about. It's all simplistic, naive, emotions-with-Crayons. Please people, cut the BS. You aren't your parents. There is no Harold Bloom-approved rock' n' roll canon. It is acceptible to hate the Beatles. I just fear if Hilary Clinton gets elected there will be some legislation passed the requires every American to pledge allegiance to 60's baby-boomer nostaliga.
Just be honest. Listen to songs like Death Cab for Cutie's "I Will Follow You Into the Dark" or Modest Mouse's "Ocean Breathes Salty" or Radiohead's "Fake Plastic Trees" or Jason Mraz's "You and I Both" or even Smashing Pumpkin's "33." All incredible songs that make me glad to be alive when they were released. Would you rate anything the Beatles or Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd ever recorded over those five songs? Really? Ok, then I withdraw my statement. I'm not trying to change people's minds.
I strongly prefer music that was made while I was alive that connects with me. Call me crazy.
Brian
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This just keeps getting better and better.
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
The Beatles
The Who
Led Zeppelin
The Grateful Dead
....
Live
The Smashing Pumpkins
Red Hot Chili Peppers (that point made about China/Nirvana/Led Zeppelin can also be applied to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Just substitute George Clinton/P-funk for Muddy Waters.)
oh, and Rush. I don't even think what they produce is music. It's so awful on so many levels.
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
However, I'll defend Limp Bizkit.
Now it's official. You really are just trying to be controversial. Pathetic. [/b]
Just a small addition to the epistle...
I genuinely hate the Beatles, et al. I have NO idea what they are talking about. It's all simplistic, naive, emotions-with-Crayons. Please people, cut the BS. You aren't your parents. There is no Harold Bloom-approved rock' n' roll canon. It is acceptible to hate the Beatles. I just fear if Hilary Clinton gets elected there will be some legislation passed the requires every American to pledge allegiance to 60's baby-boomer nostaliga.
Just be honest. Listen to songs like Death Cab for Cutie's "I Will Follow You Into the Dark" or Modest Mouse's "Ocean Breathes Salty" or Radiohead's "Fake Plastic Trees" or Jason Mraz's "You and I Both" or even Smashing Pumpkin's "33." All incredible songs that make me glad to be alive when they were released. Would you rate anything the Beatles or Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd ever recorded over those five songs? Really? Ok, then I withdraw my statement. I'm not trying to change people's minds.
I strongly prefer music that was made while I was alive that connects with me. Call me crazy.
Brian [/b]
All those you mention would not exist if it were not for the prior bands. They are standing on the shoulders of giants. Because something does not connect with you does not make it the worst. You have to give them credit (or at least those bands you mention give them credit) for the trails they blazed.
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
I strongly prefer music that was made while I was alive that connects with me. Call me crazy. [emphasis added]
Thankfully, I was born in '63.
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
I strongly prefer music that was made while I was alive that connects with me. Call me crazy.
nah, that would be an insult to the insane. i'll just call you narrow-minded. you automatically can't relate to music that was written before you were born? no questions asked, simply because of date? i take it all classical music is out - a shame. personally, i try to let the music stand on its own merits, regardless of when it was written/performed. maybe i'm crazy.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
I strongly prefer music that was made while I was alive that connects with me. Call me crazy.
nah, that would be an insult to the insane. i'll just call you narrow-minded. you automatically can't relate to music that was written before you were born? no questions asked, simply because of date? i take it all classical music is out - a shame. personally, i try to let the music stand on its own merits, regardless of when it was written/performed. maybe i'm crazy. [/b]
I'd like to know where someone like Bowie falls on your list. Now Im not sure when you were born, but Bowie has been around forever and he is still around. So does that mean early Bowie is out, but current Bowie is in? Clearly what he was writing about in his early stuff has to do with the times, which I guess you cant connect with. Same with the Stones. Still around.
Thats the weakest excuse Ive ever heard of why a band is the worst. Go take some Music Appreciation courses such as Music 101 (or something with a similar title) and go trace the roots to current day music.
And for a band that wears their influences on their sleeves - check out The Dandy Warhols. Guess you could like them, but not the Velvet?
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You know, the good thing about music is that its SUBJECTIVE. There's no formula for what's good and what's not.
I definitely think Brian's out of his mind to list those 5 songs as better than anything the Beatles, etc. released. But it's music. In the end, who gives a shit what he likes? Are we that combative that we need him to fall in the ranks with the rest of us?
Besides, the only good reason to not like Zepplin (derivative rip-off of the blues) is to over-analyze and over-intellectualize it. I'm listing to "Dazed and Confused" as I type this, and I really don't care if it's ripping a paycheck out of Robert Johnson's starving great-grand children's hands. At the end of the day, it just SLAYS. Isn't that what matters?
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Go take some Music Appreciation courses such as Music 101 (or something with a similar title) and go trace the roots to current day music.
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<img src="http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/all-i-can-say-is-dat-my-life-is-pretty-plain.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Did you laugh hard when you first saw that picture? LOLcatz rule.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
<img src="http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/all-i-can-say-is-dat-my-life-is-pretty-plain.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Marty666:
id say the top five worst bands of all time are; led zepplin, rush, linkin park, creed and bon jovi.
they are all a triumph of mediocrity and proof the masses will accept the most bland mass produced tripe as long as its popular. of course rush "trys" to be different, but its calculated and panders to wannabee musicians who are impressed by simple things like off beat rythyms and the number of notes played in a minute. its musical masterbation.
Idiot.
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Agreed. But not because of his/her music taste. Rather, because he/she can't spell "tries" (or masturbation).
Originally posted by Blackstorm:
Originally posted by Marty666:
id say the top five worst bands of all time are; led zepplin, rush, linkin park, creed and bon jovi.
they are all a triumph of mediocrity and proof the masses will accept the most bland mass produced tripe as long as its popular. of course rush "trys" to be different, but its calculated and panders to wannabee musicians who are impressed by simple things like off beat rythyms and the number of notes played in a minute. its musical masterbation.
Idiot. [/b]
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Definitely Maybe is great but the Beatles suck. So do T Rex.
Also, I love America but the Constitution is pretty lame.
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Thanks, Sir HC! Definitely the point I was going to make.
And, Kosmo - whew. I was perplexed for a moment when I read your initial KISS statement.
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Four pages in and not one mention of The Eagles, what gives?
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
The Beatles
The Who
Led Zeppelin
The Grateful Dead
....
Live
The Smashing Pumpkins
Red Hot Chili Peppers (that point made about China/Nirvana/Led Zeppelin can also be applied to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Just substitute George Clinton/P-funk for Muddy Waters.)
oh, and Rush. I don't even think what they produce is music. It's so awful on so many levels.
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
However, I'll defend Limp Bizkit.
Now it's official. You really are just trying to be controversial. Pathetic. [/b]
Just a small addition to the epistle...
I genuinely hate the Beatles, et al. I have NO idea what they are talking about. It's all simplistic, naive, emotions-with-Crayons. Please people, cut the BS. You aren't your parents. There is no Harold Bloom-approved rock' n' roll canon. It is acceptible to hate the Beatles. I just fear if Hilary Clinton gets elected there will be some legislation passed the requires every American to pledge allegiance to 60's baby-boomer nostaliga.
Just be honest. Listen to songs like Death Cab for Cutie's "I Will Follow You Into the Dark" or Modest Mouse's "Ocean Breathes Salty" or Radiohead's "Fake Plastic Trees" or Jason Mraz's "You and I Both" or even Smashing Pumpkin's "33." All incredible songs that make me glad to be alive when they were released. Would you rate anything the Beatles or Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd ever recorded over those five songs? Really? Ok, then I withdraw my statement. I'm not trying to change people's minds.
I strongly prefer music that was made while I was alive that connects with me. Call me crazy.
Brian [/b]
Sounds like you like soft stuff to put on eye makeup and emote in front of the mirror to, so with that in mind here are a few songs that you might like from the bands you hate:
Across The Universe
The Rain Song
Thank You
A Pillow of Winds
And how does 33 by the Smashing Pumpkins make you feel all tingly when they're apparently one of the bands you hate? Consistency son!
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Originally posted by renton007:
Four pages in and not one mention of The Eagles, what gives?
Or, DMB. But, I'm playing fair. ;)
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saying zep is a rip-off of other blues artists is to ignore the history of blues - every bluesman borrowed from other bluesmen. in the words of jimmy page, the marks of a good bluesman is to "make it your own". did zep use a phrase from here and lyrics from there? yup, just like countless blues acts before them. did anyone sound like zep, at the time? no, their style of electric blues was unique.
Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
Did you laugh hard when you first saw that picture? LOLcatz rule.
i, like, totally LOL'ed.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
You know, the good thing about music is that its SUBJECTIVE. There's no formula for what's good and what's not.
I definitely think Brian's out of his mind to list those 5 songs as better than anything the Beatles, etc. released. But it's music. In the end, who gives a shit what he likes? Are we that combative that we need him to fall in the ranks with the rest of us?
Besides, the only good reason to not like Zepplin (derivative rip-off of the blues) is to over-analyze and over-intellectualize it. I'm listing to "Dazed and Confused" as I type this, and I really don't care if it's ripping a paycheck out of Robert Johnson's starving great-grand children's hands. At the end of the day, it just SLAYS. Isn't that what matters?
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Go take some Music Appreciation courses such as Music 101 (or something with a similar title) and go trace the roots to current day music.
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dont get me wrong - music is definitely subjective. and ive got no problem with that. besides a lot of stuff i love, half the board hates, and i could care less.
i guess my point is - before you go off slagging all bands pre-80 (or whatever year he chooses), he might want to consider if it werent for these bands, a bunch of these other bands might possibly not exist.
and btw - i think most people should take any sort of music class to better appreciate other types of music. i certainly appreciate classical music and jazz a bit more than i once did.
and i thought the subject was THE WORST BAND EVER! are the beatles that painful to listen to that its even worse than say Creed? hell i cant stand wolfmother (and one of my best friends loves them), but i certainly wouldnt call them the worst band ever.
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I pledge no allegiance to the Beach Boys... I respect how Brian Wilson's production, and arrangements influenced people but the songs in general are insipid..
Now I have to completely disagree on the Marc Bolan/ T. Rex front, seeing as he served as a primary influence on UK Punk. He released more than his fair share of filler, but when he was on it was amazing. Unfortunately, he died right at the time when punk was beginning to take off and I think a revitalized Bolan would have rose back to the ranks of Bowie then.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
did anyone sound like zep, at the time? no, their style of electric blues was unique.
Well, they were kinda a rip-off of late Yardbirds ;)
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Originally posted by kosmo:
I pledge no allegiance to the Beach Boys... I respect how Brian Wilson's production, and arrangements influenced people but the songs in general are insipid..
But it was just that skill at arranging, producing and music composition (and a lot of the theory that goes along with that) that elevated rather simple sentiments to the sublime. Deep it ain't but it was for 2 minutes and 45 seconds.
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My Personal List:
Dave Matthews Band
Creed
Incubus
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Originally posted by sweetcell:
did anyone sound like zep, at the time? no, their style of electric blues was unique.
Well, they were kinda a rip-off of late Yardbirds ;) [/b]
John Mayall's group was doing the blues rock thing prior to Led Zep. His group started the careers of Clapton, Terry Green and Mick Taylor. Fleetwood Mac was started life as a blues rock band formed around the time Zep did.
as well as what Terry Reid was doing who was Page's first choice for singer for Led Zep and who was unavailable due to already being signed as a solo artist.
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Originally posted by kosmo:
I pledge no allegiance to the Beach Boys... I respect how Brian Wilson's production, and arrangements influenced people but the songs in general are insipid..
But it was just that skill at arranging, producing and music composition (and a lot of the theory that goes along with that) that elevated rather simple sentiments to the sublime. Deep it ain't but it was for 2 minutes and 45 seconds. [/b]
the whole thing is i would rather listen to Paul Revere and The Raiders and Love than the Beach Boys. many cite "Pet Sounds" as the record they listened as awkward teenagers. my record of choice was Cheap Trick's "Live At Budakon"
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
making you watch my video bootleg of them playing the US Festival in '83
BTW - that performance changed my life. I was 10 and was mesmerized by the bands energy and Bono's showmanship. For once I felt as though I had found a band that wasn't my parents favorite. They took us to see The Pretenders, Stevie Nicks and David Bowie and I left the biggest U2 fan on the planet.
If that's a DVD and I could get copy of it, I'd be happy to compensate you.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
i guess my point is - before you go off slagging all bands pre-80 (or whatever year he chooses), he might want to consider if it werent for these bands, a bunch of these other bands might possibly not exist.
Originally posted by SirHC:
All those you mention would not exist if it were not for the prior bands. They are standing on the shoulders of giants. Because something does not connect with you does not make it the worst. You have to give them credit (or at least those bands you mention give them credit) for the trails they blazed.
That damned quote and sentiment!:
"Pigmaei gigantum humeris impositi plusquam ipsi gigantes vident."
Well, I for one disagree with both Isaac Newton and Noel Gallagher. If you want to spend all your time paying tributes and respects to those who've come before than go right ahead. There are certain instances where gratitude is due.
Those who have fought in wars for the sake of country. Splitting the atom. Solid state circuitry. The brassiere. We should all be thankful for those who have developed those things. Because of them, I am grateful.
But I'm supposed to pay respects to John Lennon for "Ticket to Ride?" For what? The F#m chord?I can't enjoy Queens of the Stone Age without lighting a votive for John Bonham? Everytime I listen to Radiohead I have to say a prayer for Syd Barrett's soul? Please....
I always think it's funny that we are forced to pay respects only up to the 60's generation of bands. Never before that era. It's a sin to not RESPECT THE ALMIGHTY ROCK OF ZEPPELIN! But do you ever hear about having to pay respects to the rock of Muddy Waters or Willie Dixon?
Or how about Chuck Berry? Without Chuck Berry, I think the Beatles, The Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys would all have sounded much different. But do you ever hear people saying "Chuck Berry, man! Greatest rock n roller ever! He's still got it!" like they do with Jagger and Co? No, because the Stones are a.) baby-boomers b.) white and c.) playing to football stadiums instead of state fairs (like Mr. Berry does these days.)
This whole "respect your elders" thing in rock n roll is a joke. You're only supposed to respect the elders who have deals with American Express and Starbucks.
Brian
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but you are making judgments based on bands you hate. while you may equate hate with worst, that correlation simply cannot be made for purposes of this thread. if we are all here, we have some sort of appreciation for the history of music- to simply dismiss what came before as mere pap is to do a dis-service to their legacy.
of course there will be influences that will be overlooked compared to others- chuck berry is certainly overlooked precisely because of sentiments that you are expressing. i certainly do not dismiss his influence on music, especially on the 60s british scene.
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<img src="http://www.jimdero.com/KillYourIdols/KIYbig.jpg" alt=" - " />
Anyone read this book? I'm in the middle of it now. The premise is an interesting one: younger rock critics re-examine "great albums" to support the idea that there is no rock music canon. Some of the reviews are not that well executed (a lot of "oh yeah, they're not so great *kid wipes snot from nose, takes his ball and goes home*" I think it's really just DeRogatis trying to get back at Jann Wenner for firing him (Wenner supposedly fired him for writing a negative review, possibly of the 2nd Hootie and the Blowfish album) by tearing apart pompous baby boomer centric lists like this one. (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938174/the_rs_500_greatest_albums_of_all_time) While I don't agree with all the arguments against certain albums in the book (or Brian's above for that matter), I like the idea that there isn't a textbook that you should learn rock music from. Figure out what you like on your own by listening. That's most of the fun.
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Quickly looking at that RS list taking out both 'nostaliga' factors and 'anti-baby boomer bias / possible parental issues or general disdain for history and/or one's elders', I think every album in the top 100 is great, other than Sgt. Pepper's which is uneven but has at least 4 classics (haven't heard a few like Hotel Califorina or Tapestry or Blue or Trout Mask Replica in their entirety).
Obviously an RS list has biases and anyone could argue Neutral Milk Hotel is better than Sign O The Times, or whatever, but that doesn't diminish the inherent strength of what's on that list . . . but as Chappelle said, some people think cucumber tastes better than a pickle so ignore history if you want. . . you just might risk looking like an idiot, or repeating it, or whatever.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Where do I begin? Here's five:
White Stripes
Mountain Goats
Smashing Pumpkins
Bright Eyes
Snow Patrol
Would you even categorize White Stripes as a band? It's a bloke on a guitar, some bird clanging out on a set of drums and taped backing tracks.......no? One step up from Karaoka if you ask me.
Smashing Pumkins aren't a bad band. To me they're Americas Radiohead - an okay band but what the fuck is all the hysteria about?
The worst band I've ever had to suffer through was support band for The Waterboys back in, well, whatever year the big earthquake in CA was, they were called "big bang theory".....crap, just crap..
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seeing as the white stripes preform without a setlist there isn't going to the use of backing tapes... plus seeing as jack white records on vintage four track equipment it's highly unlikely he's going to use backing tracks as he's into playing spontaneous off the cuff
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Or how about Chuck Berry? Without Chuck Berry, I think the Beatles, The Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys would all have sounded much different. But do you ever hear people saying "Chuck Berry, man! Greatest rock n roller ever! He's still got it!" like they do with Jagger and Co? No, because the Stones are a.) baby-boomers b.) white and c.) playing to football stadiums instead of state fairs (like Mr. Berry does these days.)
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But here's the thing. Look no further than Jagger/Richards for the people who would say that they owe everything to forefathers like Chuck Berry. There was a great documentary on Berry called "Hail Hail Rock and Roll" which shows Keith Richards and others going to great lengths to prop this guy up as the legend he is/was/should be.
The Beatles/Stones/Zeppelin always were quick to point out their influences. What the hell do rock critics and bullshit top 100 lists matter anyway?
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Would you even categorize White Stripes as a band? It's a bloke on a guitar, some bird clanging out on a set of drums and taped backing tracks.......no? One step up from Karaoka if you ask me.
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If you don't feel the need to see them, track down the White Stripes Peel Sessions from 2001. Its a band, and its certainly not karaoke. Its just the parameters are narrowed.
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Originally posted by kcjones119:
<img src="http://www.jimdero.com/KillYourIdols/KIYbig.jpg" alt=" - " />
Anyone read this book? I'm in the middle of it now. The premise is an interesting one: younger rock critics re-examine "great albums" to support the idea that there is no rock music canon. Some of the reviews are not that well executed (a lot of "oh yeah, they're not so great *kid wipes snot from nose, takes his ball and goes home*" I think it's really just DeRogatis trying to get back at Jann Wenner for firing him (Wenner supposedly fired him for writing a negative review, possibly of the 2nd Hootie and the Blowfish album) by tearing apart pompous baby boomer centric lists like this one. (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938174/the_rs_500_greatest_albums_of_all_time) While I don't agree with all the arguments against certain albums in the book (or Brian's above for that matter), I like the idea that there isn't a textbook that you should learn rock music from. Figure out what you like on your own by listening. That's most of the fun.
Have it, read the whole thing, and yeah some sounded like someone trying to be contrarian, the I am cooler than you because I don't like xxx. Still the one that disliked the album because of the bad date is classic.
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
i guess my point is - before you go off slagging all bands pre-80 (or whatever year he chooses), he might want to consider if it werent for these bands, a bunch of these other bands might possibly not exist.
Originally posted by SirHC:
All those you mention would not exist if it were not for the prior bands. They are standing on the shoulders of giants. Because something does not connect with you does not make it the worst. You have to give them credit (or at least those bands you mention give them credit) for the trails they blazed.
That damned quote and sentiment!:
"Pigmaei gigantum humeris impositi plusquam ipsi gigantes vident."
Well, I for one disagree with both Isaac Newton and Noel Gallagher. If you want to spend all your time paying tributes and respects to those who've come before than go right ahead. There are certain instances where gratitude is due.
Those who have fought in wars for the sake of country. Splitting the atom. Solid state circuitry. The brassiere. We should all be thankful for those who have developed those things. Because of them, I am grateful.
But I'm supposed to pay respects to John Lennon for "Ticket to Ride?" For what? The F#m chord?I can't enjoy Queens of the Stone Age without lighting a votive for John Bonham? Everytime I listen to Radiohead I have to say a prayer for Syd Barrett's soul? Please....
I always think it's funny that we are forced to pay respects only up to the 60's generation of bands. Never before that era. It's a sin to not RESPECT THE ALMIGHTY ROCK OF ZEPPELIN! But do you ever hear about having to pay respects to the rock of Muddy Waters or Willie Dixon?
Or how about Chuck Berry? Without Chuck Berry, I think the Beatles, The Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys would all have sounded much different. But do you ever hear people saying "Chuck Berry, man! Greatest rock n roller ever! He's still got it!" like they do with Jagger and Co? No, because the Stones are a.) baby-boomers b.) white and c.) playing to football stadiums instead of state fairs (like Mr. Berry does these days.)
This whole "respect your elders" thing in rock n roll is a joke. You're only supposed to respect the elders who have deals with American Express and Starbucks.
Brian [/b]
The gratitude comes from if the Beatles and others were not successful, then rock could have died out as being just a fad and all these other bands would not exist.
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Originally posted by kcjones119:
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Thanks a lot for the recommendation. I HAVE to read this book. It sounds a lot like something I'd enjoy. Almost as good as Stephanie Coontz's "The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap?" Maybe.
Any book with that many negative reviews on Amazon HAS to be good (average of two stars(!) It probably upsets everybody's core belief that "The Beatles are God." I swear telling someone the Beatles were awful is like telling Christians about evolution. They simply refuse to believe it and feel the person telling them is an idiot.
And is that THE Dave Marsh saying: "Older rock critics NEVER liked The Best of the Doors, Dark Side of the Moon, Ram, and Sgt. Pepper's (or for that matter, most of 'em, Kick Out the Jams, which DeRogatis's hero Lester Bangs tried to kill on contact), so what's the point here? A slim pretense on which to hang a payday, but then, that's authorial style for ya. And by the way, if somebody can't hear what's great about Exile on Main Street and the Sex Pistols, they're the dope.--Dave Marsh?"
My GOD, I hate Bruce Springsteen and Dave Marsh more than I hate Jann Werner and the Beatles (but only SLIGHTLY.) If it pisses this many people off it must be great reading.
I am extremely glad though, in that I think FINALLY, the cultural hegemony of the Baby Boomers/Beatles lovers is finally being broken. Bands like the Strokes, The White Stripes, etc. all have professed their fellating love of all things Lennon, etc...
HOWEVER, bands like Panic At the Disco! and Fall Out Boy (you know, bands that actually sell records in 2007 and are popular with truly young music fans) honestly couldn't care less who John Lennon or Bob Dylan were. This is one of the most fantastic things ever. Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak. I can't wait for all the new music that is produced by people who don't feel like they have to say "Revolver," "OK Computer," or "London Calling" is their favorite record EVER!
Brian
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Brian - Would it be accurate to say you resent your parents?
The universe tends to work out as it should and i'm pretty sure fall out boy and panic at the disco are passing fads. But thanks for your input. Anyway, just b/c their influences are pathetic (I hear strains of showtunes, meat loaf etc. in their crap music) doesn't mean they don't have influences. But good luck with your issues.
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Originally posted by kcjones119:
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Thanks a lot for the recommendation. I HAVE to read this book. It sounds a lot like something I'd enjoy. Almost as good as Stephanie Coontz's "The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap?" Maybe.
Any book with that many negative reviews on Amazon HAS to be good (average of two stars(!) It probably upsets everybody's core belief that "The Beatles are God." I swear telling someone the Beatles were awful is like telling Christians about evolution. They simply refuse to believe it and feel the person telling them is an idiot.
And is that THE Dave Marsh saying: "Older rock critics NEVER liked The Best of the Doors, Dark Side of the Moon, Ram, and Sgt. Pepper's (or for that matter, most of 'em, Kick Out the Jams, which DeRogatis's hero Lester Bangs tried to kill on contact), so what's the point here? A slim pretense on which to hang a payday, but then, that's authorial style for ya. And by the way, if somebody can't hear what's great about Exile on Main Street and the Sex Pistols, they're the dope.--Dave Marsh?"
My GOD, I hate Bruce Springsteen and Dave Marsh more than I hate Jann Werner and the Beatles (but only SLIGHTLY.) If it pisses this many people off it must be great reading.
I am extremely glad though, in that I think FINALLY, the cultural hegemony of the Baby Boomers/Beatles lovers is finally being broken. Bands like the Strokes, The White Stripes, etc. all have professed their fellating love of all things Lennon, etc...
HOWEVER, bands like Panic At the Disco! and Fall Out Boy (you know, bands that actually sell records in 2007 and are popular with truly young music fans) honestly couldn't care less who John Lennon or Bob Dylan were. This is one of the most fantastic things ever. Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak. I can't wait for all the new music that is produced by people who don't feel like they have to say "Revolver," "OK Computer," or "London Calling" is their favorite record EVER!
Brian [/b]
I think you're wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start.
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak.
are you insane? "modern rock" or the shit that sells records right now is some of the most derivative crap i've ever heard in my life, what world are you living in?
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Brian - Would it be accurate to say you resent your parents?
No. Actually, I don't. I think I got a great "music education" with regards to what my parents listened to. Tons of Motown, gospel, 50's rock (Eddie Cochran, Fats Domino, etc.), bluegrass, jazz, Hank Williams, Patsy Cline, etc. But I'd NEVER say they were my favorites or that I identified with any of them.
No. The people I resented were my peers who insisted on loving and identifying and claiming superiority on music that wasn't of their generation. Boorish treatises on "Imagine" and "Dark Side of the Moon." What music is of your generation, love it or leave it, it's YOURS. If you're fifteen you have to have something you love. In 1997, if it that was Jimi Hendrix, then you were just sad and pathetic.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
are you insane? "modern rock" or the shit that sells records right now is some of the most derivative crap Iā??ve ever heard in my life, what world are you living in?
I'm living in July 5th, 2007. From the talk on this board, it seems like a lot of the people on this board are living in 1997 (back when the Smashing Pumpkins were popular.)
But if you put anything by the Red Hot Chili Peppers or U2 or even The Arcade Fire next to "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" you're not going to tell me the Fall Out Boy song is the most derivative. No one is completely original in rock n roll except for the following (if anyone over the age of fifty is to be believed):
1. The Beatles.
2. Jimi Hendrix.
But the Fall Out Boy is at least "different" than the others. With its disco-like verse and mall-punk chorus it doesn't sound like anything else.
Now that something's been recommended to me, I shall recommend something to all of you. It's a CD and apparently since all the songs on it were written by Saint Lennon, the tragedy in Darfur will magically disappear if you play this CD and hope and wish and pray and join Avril Ramona Lavigne (sic):
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
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Don't be cynical! It really works!
Brian
P.S. You'll also have to suffer through Lenny Kravitz "signing" "Cold Turkey."
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The people I resented were my peers who insisted on loving and identifying and claiming superiority on music that wasn't of their generation. Boorish treatises on "Imagine" and "Dark Side of the Moon." What music is of your generation, love it or leave it, it's YOURS. If you're fifteen you have to have something you love. In 1997, if it that was Jimi Hendrix, then you were just sad and pathetic.
For somebody that reasons out most of their arguments on this board, this argument is absolutely and completely idiotic.
To claim that art loses its relevance or its importance after the generation it was created in is one of the most ignorant, unbelievable and outlandish claims that I've ever heard. It effectively negates any kind of respect that I had for your opinion on anything music related.
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Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak.
But the Fall Out Boy is at least "different" than the others. With its disco-like verse and mall-punk chorus it doesn't sound like anything else.
You do realize that mall-punk (by definition) is nothing but a watered-down version of 30-year-old punk and disco is even older than that? What happened to sticking with your own generation?
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When I hear FOB and PATD I hear a high school musicals, showtunes, meat loaf, rocky horror and the like via pseudo punkish contrivances and pro-tools.
But you know I hear you, I mean I'm so tired of bands basing their music on chords and notes and melody. I mean maybe that made sense to past generations but why should we be tied to such arbitrary devices? And evolution has always been a pet peeve of mine.
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the second design of this shirt sucks. the original is awesome.
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
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HOWEVER, bands like Panic At the Disco! and Fall Out Boy (you know, bands that actually sell records in 2007 and are popular with truly young music fans) honestly couldn't care less who John Lennon or Bob Dylan were. This is one of the most fantastic things ever. Finally a generation of rock bands that don't have to slurp all those who came before them. Clear-cutting the woods, so to speak. I can't wait for all the new music that is produced by people who don't feel like they have to say "Revolver," "OK Computer," or "London Calling" is their favorite record EVER!
Brian [/QB]
you may be absolutely right about their popularity, but PATD obviously knew (or most likely liked) the smiths. hell their name comes from the song "Panic".
After recruiting Brent Wilson on bass and Brendon Urie on vocals and guitar, the band settled on the name 'Panic! at the Disco.' The band has stated, on their DVD and in interviews, that the name "Panic! at the Disco" comes from the song "Panic" by The Smiths, which includes the line "burn down the disco,"
And check out the bands they do covers of. I fear you might be mistaken with how all these new bands couldnt care less about Lennon and the others before them. If so, they certainly wouldnt be playing their covers.
Panic! at the Disco performed covers of "Killer Queen" by Queen, and "Eleanor Rigby" by The Beatles
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Originally posted by Mobius:
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Would you even categorize White Stripes as a band? It's a bloke on a guitar, some bird clanging out on a set of drums and taped backing tracks.......no? One step up from Karaoka if you ask me.
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If you don't feel the need to see them, track down the White Stripes Peel Sessions from 2001. Its a band, and its certainly not karaoke. Its just the parameters are narrowed. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Thank you - and thank you for noticing I was merely asking a question rather than making a statement, and thank you for not going off on a personal attack about 'you don't know shit about music you old git, you shouldn't even be allowed on here making posts' even though I probably know more about music than the moron who made the comment on another thread, but just happen to have different tastes in music.
I asked my question after reading a comment that Pete Townsend made in a magazine about White Stripes. I happen to like a couple of their songs, 7 Nation Army comes to mind.