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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 24, 2007, 12:53:00 pm
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We can take this off the just announced thread ...
"express yourself" by NWA just came on my iPod, and I had really forgotten how insightful and melodic NWA could be at times, sounds just like a de la soul b-side
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
"express yourself" by NWA just came on my iPod, and I had really forgotten how insightful and melodic NWA could be at times, sounds just like a de la soul b-side
All Dre. An insight of great things to come...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
"express yourself" by NWA just came on my iPod, and I had really forgotten how insightful and melodic NWA could be at times, sounds just like a de la soul b-side
All Dre. An insight of great things to come... [/b]
totally, but i can't think of another Dre track that sounds like this one (organic flower-power vibe) ... if anything he got harder and more severe in both his lyrics and production immediately after NWA
and to continue the biggie discussion, "warning" is pretty much perfect ... he's got the whole laconic stoned en-unci-at-ing vibe down to a T (**puts on ready to die**):
They heard about the Rolex's and the Lexus
wit the Texas license plate outta state
they heard about the pounds
you got down in Georgetown
now they heard you got half of Virginia locked down
they even heard about the crib
you bought your moms out in Florida
the fifth corridor....
Call the coroner
there's gonna be alot of slow singin
and flower bringin
if my burgular alarm starts ringin
whatcha think all the guns is for?
all purpose war got the rottweilers by the door
and I feed em gun powder so they can devour
the criminals tryin to clock my decimals
DAMN..niggas wanna stick my for my C.R.E.A.M.
and the inner dream things aint always how it seems
it's the ones that smoke blunts witcha
see your picture, now they wanna
grab they guns and come and getcha
Bethca Biggie won't slip
I got the....??
so I can rip through the intricate
put they bodies in a bad prediciment
where all the foul niggas went
Touch my cheddar, feel my Beretta
Buck with what I had you with
you motherfuckers betta duck
I leave stains on blood of what remains
Had to jack-it, he had a gun he should've packed it
Cocked it, extra clips in my pocket
so I can reload and explode down ya rasshole
I fuck around and get hardcore
see 4 to ya door no beef no more
feel the rush scandalous
The more weed smoke I puff the more dangerous
I dont give a fuck about you or your weak crew
What you gonna do when Big Poppa comes for you
Start runnin, nigga I bust my gun in
Hold on I hear somebody comin........
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
They heard about the Rolex's and the Lexus
wit the Texas license plate outta state
they heard about the pounds
you got down in Georgetown
now they heard you got half of Virginia locked down
that part almost reads like it could be lyrics by the hold steady, doesn't it?
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I think Hip Hop sounds cool in Japanese, even though I don't speak it. I only have a couple of tracks so far but am looking for more "j-urban"
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Originally posted by BookerT:
that part almost reads like it could be lyrics by the hold steady, doesn't it?
craig finn definitely reminds me of a rapper, just different format
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
We can take this off the just announced thread ...
"express yourself" by NWA just came on my iPod, and I had really forgotten how insightful and melodic NWA could be at times, sounds just like a de la soul b-side
Love this. Been wanting to start a thread like this ever since I got here. Didn't know how high the interest would be, with the jaded hipsters & what not . . .
Anywho, to echo Hoya, N.W.A.'s 1st album was some really political shit. "Fuck Tha Police" wasn't for shock value. That was some great shit. Then the "Efil4zaggiN" just went over the top. But the beats Dre put on there were so undeniable, that it didn't matter.
Anyone actually remember when the gap between Dre & DJ Premier was non-existent/real close for G.O.A.T. producer???
Another good point brought up was what's the greatest Wu album ever??? Give opinions (or if you see it as fact, cool)/insight & why . . .
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Respect is collected, so check it
I got techniques drippin out my buttcheeks
Sleep on my stomach so I don't fuck up my sheets
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Another good point brought up was what's the greatest Wu album ever??? Give opinions (or if you see it as fact, cool)/insight & why . . .
i don't have time to pontificate, but "liquid swords" is obviously wu's apex ("when I was little my father was famous / he was the greatest samurai in the empire") ... cuban linx is 2nd
and i think this discussion has to be limited to pre-97 albums, no way anything after their hey-dey is "the greatest"
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I can't speak for the solo projects (thought Liquid Swords and Raekwn's first are KILLERS), but for full Wu, I can't believe anyone would mention anything other than 36 Chambers. I like all of the rest, but I dont' think any are as perfect from start to finish.
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Another good point brought up was what's the greatest Wu album ever??? Give opinions (or if you see it as fact, cool)/insight & why . . .
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Another good point brought up was what's the greatest Wu album ever??? Give opinions (or if you see it as fact, cool)/insight & why . . . [/b]
if it's actual wu albums i don't know how anyone can say it's not 36 chambers. but i assume you're talking all the solo shit as well. i know "liquid swords" and "supreme clientele" get the most love, but i've always been in the corner of "only built 4 cuban linx." "criminology" is probably my fave wu-related track.
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
there's gonna be alot of slow singin
and flower bringin
if my burgular alarm starts ringin
One of the most perfect lines ever. Pac could never spit some shit like that.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
"express yourself" by NWA just came on my iPod, and I had really forgotten how insightful and melodic NWA could be at times, sounds just like a de la soul b-side
That may be a bit of a stretch. The backbone of what Dre did has always been the funk. Even today, there's still traces of it which manifests itself in the form of that whole speaker bump/piano vibe he's been on since the 2001 LP. That sample from "Express Yourself" (Charles Wright & the Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band) is a Cali classic which Dre probably grew up on, along with those Parliament records which became the backbone for The Chronic.
Whereas, De La & more so Tribe, revolutionized hip-hop reaching waaaaaay in the crates to find Hall & Oates samples ("Say No Go"), Lou Reed samples ("Can I Kick It?"), and so on. I was heavy into the Native Tongues (Tribe's my favorite group of all-time) so I can go on about that all day.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Another good point brought up was what's the greatest Wu album ever??? Give opinions (or if you see it as fact, cool)/insight & why . . . [/b]
if it's actual wu albums i don't know how anyone can say it's not 36 chambers. but i assume you're talking all the solo shit as well. i know "liquid swords" and "supreme clientele" get the most love, but i've always been in the corner of "only built 4 cuban linx." "criminology" is probably my fave wu-related track. [/b]
You ain't the only one. Cuban seems to get the slight edge with people I know. I already cast my rod for Liquid Swords, but I can't argue. I've seen actual fistfights break out over that shit. It's like the Midnight Marauders vs. Low End Theory argument. Don't think I've ever seen a winner. We'll save that for another day.
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
and i think this discussion has to be limited to pre-97 albums, no way anything after their hey-dey is "the greatest"
What about Supreme Clientele? If it ain't perfect, it's no worse than real damn close. I could see someone creating an argument for that. But everyone's entries are valid points . . .
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I say the Bomb Squad about killed everyone back in that era production-wise, when they were first breaking out crazy innovative stuff, Dre was still making lame shit like "Horney Computer". As far as N.W.A. goes, the first 3 songs off of Straight Outta Compton are crucial and the rest is pretty ho-hum in comparison (not saying it's terrible mind you but NOT on the consistency level of those first 3 tracks).
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
I say the Bomb Squad about killed everyone back in that era production-wise, when they were first breaking out crazy innovative stuff, Dre was still making lame shit like "Horney Computer". As far as N.W.A. goes, the first 3 songs off of Straight Outta Compton are crucial and the rest is pretty ho-hum in comparison (not saying it's terrible mind you but NOT on the consistency level of those first 3 tracks).
I beg to differ. If It Ain't Ruff would most def go on my essential Dre list. And Express Yourself & Dopeman, I'm also quite sure aren't in the 1st 3 tracks. If I remember correctly it's:
Straight Outta Compton
Fuck The Police
Gangsta, Gangsta
Is it in that order??? Can't remember. Been a while . . .
And you're definitely right about the Bomb Squad. They were slaying shit for a good 4 years or so.
Dre kept going though. :D
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
and i think this discussion has to be limited to pre-97 albums, no way anything after their hey-dey is "the greatest"
What about Supreme Clientele? If it ain't perfect, it's real damn close. I could see someone creating an argument for that. But everyone's entries are valid points . . . [/b]
im going to have to say fishscale is a better album, fam. sign of the times.
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Best Wu album: Wu Tang Forever. I couldn't get into 36 Chambers when it first came out. At the time, I was accustomed to the dense busy sound of Public Enemy and Cube's Amerikkka, and 36 Chambers' production was spare and somewhat minimal. A year or so later, though, I picked up Forever and it all clicked. I've since gone back and re-appreciated 36, but Forever just has so many great tracks. There's a lot of crap on there too, but iTunes turns it into the best single disc ever.
Best Wu-related album: Cuban Linx, by a mile. Liquid Swords took awhile for me to appreciate, but I did. Still, Cuban Linx it is for me. RZA's Bobby Digital also was a favorite of mine.
Best Wu song: Contenders include Triumph, Reunited and CREAM, but my standards for a song are lower than for an album. And every time I play 'Gravel Pit' for someone, they dig it hard.
Wu MVP: Inspectah Deck. I think he's the highlight of every track he's on.
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while we're on this topic, has anyone heard the new Little Brother disc?
i just bought it yesterday.. great stuff.
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
Respect is collected, so check it
I got techniques drippin out my buttcheeks
Sleep on my stomach so I don't fuck up my sheets
the random funny shit like this (along with his cadence of course) is why he's my favorite.
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18 posts so far and not a mention of the best hip hop song ever..."Bust a Move" by Young MC?
You guys are a bunch of pathetic upper middle class wiggers. Director excepted, of course.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
I say the Bomb Squad about killed everyone back in that era production-wise, when they were first breaking out crazy innovative stuff, Dre was still making lame shit like "Horney Computer". As far as N.W.A. goes, the first 3 songs off of Straight Outta Compton are crucial and the rest is pretty ho-hum in comparison (not saying it's terrible mind you but NOT on the consistency level of those first 3 tracks).
I beg to differ. If It Ain't Ruff would most def go on my essential Dre list. And Express Yourself & Dopeman, I'm also quite sure aren't in the 1st 3 tracks. If I remember correctly it's:
Straight Outta Compton
Fuck The Police
Gangsta, Gangsta
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I recently read somewhere that if you are of a certain age, you will never forget the first time you heard Compton. And that was awesome, but I'll also never forget it. I'd listened to a lot of rap but the first time I heard Compton, stoned as shit with my buddy Matt in his grandparents' basement, I couldn't believe it. I'd never heard like it, and we were ecstatic and terrified all at once.
So it's a stone classic album, but I must admit, it's the first three tracks I play whenever I want a dose. I'll throw Express Yourself on a mix when it's appropriate, but as said above, it's those first 3 that are the album to me.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
[qb] Anyone actually remember when the gap between Dre & DJ Premier was non-existent/real close for G.O.A.T. producer???
Another good point brought up was what's the greatest Wu album ever??? Give opinions (or if you see it as fact, cool)/insight & why . . . [/b]
and now it's primo by a mile.. right? right??
my fave wu album is 'liquid swords'. 36 chambers has the higher points, but LS just flows better.
and i agree with relaxer on inspectah deck.
and i gotta go with midnight marauders over 'low end theory' (i used to think LET for a while... but i wisened up)
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oh yeah, i still haven't heard 'only built 4 cuban linx'
*ducks*
another one to ponder:
all time favorite beat?
it's a toss up for me between "93 'til infinity" and "survival of the fittest"
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
I recently read somewhere that if you are of a certain age, you will never forget the first time you heard Compton.
one of the first CDs I ever owned was "the chronic" ... i asked my dad to buy it for me for my 10th birthday right after it came out and he actually did it, what the hell was he thinking?
<img src="http://wizard.ae.krakow.pl/~jasiol1a/images/Dr%20Dre%20-%20The%20Chronic%20-%20CD.jpg" alt=" - " />
that shit completely blew my mind for about two years.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
The backbone of what Dre did has always been the funk.
yeah but he quickly turned to those high-pitched whiny samples that came to define west coast, sounds worlds away from "express yourself" ... i feel like "doggystyle" was when he got back to some rootsier stuff, but i'm just going off the top of my head right now
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
I recently read somewhere that if you are of a certain age, you will never forget the first time you heard Compton.
Basketball trip to, of all places, Compton for a tournament. On the bus over there, one guy played the cassette on a boombox. I think we (mostly white kids from the Catholic private school) lost by 40 and I think that cassette had a lot to do with it.
It was that or when we walked in the gym, Lakewood was playing Compton in the game before ours and Lakewood came out of the locker room with their entire crowd chanting "Wood" in a rythm that was equally terrifying.
In our game agsint Artesia, a young Charles O'Bannon threw an alley oop to his brother, Senior Ed O'Bannon that smackie thought he could stop. Ed O'Bannon dunked on me so hard, that I still hear about it from friends. Worse yet, it was the second worst dunk on me in my life, but that's for another time....
So yeah, I remember exactly where I was the first time I heard SOC.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
and i think this discussion has to be limited to pre-97 albums, no way anything after their hey-dey is "the greatest"
What about Supreme Clientele? If it ain't perfect, it's no worse than real damn close. I could see someone creating an argument for that. But everyone's entries are valid points . . . [/b]
sure, it's a great album, but if you're talking about "Greatest Wu-Tang Album Ever", then you really can't go beyond "wu-tang forever" (and probably not even up to that point) ... the group is defined by their creative peak of 93-96, and anything afterwards is just gravy
hope that makes some sense
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
You guys are a bunch of pathetic upper middle class wiggers. Director excepted, of course.
dont you ever, ever, ever call me upper middle class ever again.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
while we're on this topic, has anyone heard the new Little Brother disc?
i just bought it yesterday.. great stuff.
I was underwhelmed. I think they're hurting without 9th Wonder there. IMO, he was the star of the group. I'll give it another go around when I got time . . .
Originally posted by Relaxer:
Best Wu song:
Off the top of my head, my vote goes to Fish. That's just off the top of my head. That interlude jump off sets the mood so lovely:
"I control 3 families . . . We operate in all aspects of organized crime . . . "
Originally posted by SalParadise:
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
Respect is collected, so check it
I got techniques drippin out my buttcheeks
Sleep on my stomach so I don't fuck up my sheets
the random funny shit like this (along with his cadence of course) is why he's my favorite. [/b]
"I drop unexpectedly like bird shit . . . "
"Nonsense of your conscience in '88/
Sold more powder than Johnson & Johnson/
Tote steel like Bronson, vigi-lan-te/
You wanna get on, son? You need to ask me!/
Ain't no other kings in this rap thing/
They siblings, nothing but maturing/
One shot, they disappearing . . . "
WOW . . . . :D
True story.
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Originally posted by SalParadise:
oh yeah, i still haven't heard 'only built 4 cuban linx'
*ducks*
another one to ponder:
all time favorite beat?
it's a toss up for me between "93 'til infinity" and "survival of the fittest"
Wow. Hell of a question. I got a few off the top of my head:
"Code Of The Streets"
"Benjamins" (say what you must, but if that ain't one of the illest beats you've ever heard - you're a fuckin' liar)
"Grindin'"
"Lyrics To Go" (The way they freaked that Minnie Riperton sample is beyond ill)
I'll limit it to that for now . . .
Cause you're hella cool Sal, I'll forgive you for the Cuban Linx-gate issue . . .
*cues up Spanish Boots Made Of Leather on iPod*
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Favorite Wu lyric:
I come like a thousand doves (Dirty)
Best Wu cameo on someone else's track:
Raekwon on Outkast's Skew it on the BarB
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Originally posted by SalParadise:
all time favorite beat?
"Lyrics of Fury" - Eric B & Rakim
always has been.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by SalParadise:
all time favorite beat?
"Lyrics of Fury" - Eric B & Rakim
always has been. [/b]
Nice choice.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by SalParadise:
all time favorite beat?
"Lyrics of Fury" - Eric B & Rakim
always has been. [/b]
Nice choice. [/b]
its all eric b and Rakim, lol. i dont have much else to offer.
"chinese arithmetic" is really the craziest beat on earth but without words, wasnt sure it should count.
i suppose i should expand....
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it's all about The Fresh Prince's "Brand New Funk"
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
it's all about The Fresh Prince's "Brand New Funk"
Excellent choice, S Dot. Quintessential example of how to freak a James Brown sample.
"It was *funky* . . . it made me wanna *GET, GET DOWN!*
:D
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
comments like this that have reserved you a permanent residency on the "Buy You a Drank" list. I'll be up top on Halloween & back on 11/11 for Hov @ Hammerstein. I'll make it a point to get up with you & build.
i'm definitely considering going the 11th. i'll keep you posted