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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 26, 2007, 11:23:00 am
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so we only have a couple of years left in the aughts, and i was thinking recently about the band that best "defined" the decade
i'm thinking The Strokes
not just for their pure musical output, but the enormous influence they've had on rock music ... i was flipping through an old Mojo recently and caught an interview with the arctic monkeys guys, who talked about seeing a Strokes show in London as an enormously formative moment, like all the punks talked about seeing the Sex Pistols ... I could go on and on ...
White Stripes might be second
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I would have to give this some thought, but my answer definitely wouldn't be the Strokes. A good and perhaps culturally important first album does not a band of the decade make. The two follow ups were pretty weak; their shows were underwhelming; and they just faded away pretty quickly.
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I don't think the band of the decade would have anything to do with Rock music. I'd look more towards Hip Hop or Dance music.
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I could be dissuaded, and I understand the argument about not having enough great albums
BUT I feel like they are the standard-bearers for some of the movements that really defined rock music (on both sides of the pond) in this decade: downtown NYC scene, velvet underground obsession, garage rock revival, post-post-punk, etc, etc
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So you're asking me to define "band of the decade" and "band that had the most cultural impact on people other than myself"?
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Yet I bet 98% of the general population couldn't name a single Strokes song (myself included), and 95% wouldn't recognize one if they heard it.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
I could be dissuaded, and I understand the argument about not having enough great albums
BUT I feel like they are the standard-bearers for some of the movements that really defined rock music (on both sides of the pond) in this decade: downtown NYC scene, velvet underground obsession, garage rock revival, post-post-punk, etc, etc
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I immediate thought was Radiohead
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this is, of course, a very silly topic, but if you're thinking in terms of quality + cultural impact, then i'd say it's someone out of outkast, kanye, white stripes, sleater-kinney.
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It's the Police, right? Is that the right answer?
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If we're talking strictly rock music, and personal preference plays no part...sure I'll give it to them.
Originally posted by El Jefe Design:
I immediate thought was Radiohead
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This is an interesting topic. Thing is, is the answer the most successful band of the decade? Most influential? Best quality of music?
I liken the Strokes to the NY Dolls. They made an enormous splash on their arrival, based just as much on their image as their songs. They made a big impact on subsequent popular music, in the U.S. and abroad, and became music-culture icons. That, however, did not translate into correspondingly large sales, which they haven't enjoyed, and their subsequent releases have been whimpers.
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I liked "Room on Fire" better than "Is This It?"
Brian
P.S. And I really loved "Is This It?"
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
If we're talking strictly rock music, and personal preference plays no part...sure I'll give it to them.
Originally posted by El Jefe Design:
I immediate thought was Radiohead
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Considering they haven't released an actual song this decade, I'm going to have to say "Definitely No."
Brian
P.S. I'm so young and don't know years very well, but "O.K. Computer" was released in the 1990's wasn't it? Like around 1998? Why would they qualify for band of the decade? Maybe band of LAST decade...
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
This is an interesting topic. Thing is, is the answer the most successful band of the decade? Most influential? Best quality of music?
I liken the Strokes to the NY Dolls. They made an enormous splash on their arrival, based just as much on their image as their songs. They made a big impact on subsequent popular music, in the U.S. and abroad, and became music-culture icons. That, however, did not translate into correspondingly large sales, which they haven't enjoyed, and their subsequent releases have been whimpers.
Part of the problem with the Strokes is that the music mediascape has changed dramatically over the past decade or so. Corporate media devote far more time than in the past to entertainment. These same media also struggle to appear hip in the eyes of younger generations that often get their news from other outlets (at least when they're paying attention at all). Coverage of music is everywhere, as is music itself, all you have to do is watch a commercial or two. The Strokes appeared as this new media monster was growing and had an insatiable appetite for anything hip and cool. They were the perfect fodder; they were connected to the industry, they "independently" released a 7-inch to claim some semblence of authenticity, and they were immediately signed to one of the biggest labels in the biz. The rest is hiszzztory.
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Raccoo-oo-oon
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I disagree with alot of you on this thread. The Strokes' follow up "Room on Fire" was not a total disappointment. Of course it's no "Is This Is?", but it wasn't all bad. Now "First Impressions of Earth" is where I disagree alot. I thought First Impressions revamped the strokes and was almost as good (if not as good) as "Is This Is?". Try listening to the whole album. There are many great songs on that album. Also, I went to see them last year at DAR and it had to be one of the greatest shows I have ever been to.
That being said, band of the decade? Don't think so. Good choice, but I think there's definately a better choice than The Srokes.
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Originally posted by IMAmoose24:
I disagree with alot of you on this thread. The Strokes' follow up "Room on Fire" was not a total disappointment. Of course it's no "Is This Is?", but it wasn't all bad. Now "First Impressions of Earth" is where I disagree alot. I thought First Impressions revamped the strokes and was almost as good (if not as good) as "Is This Is?". Try listening to the whole album. There are many great songs on that album. Also, I went to see them last year at DAR and it had to be one of the greatest shows I have ever been to.
That being said, band of the decade? Don't think so. Good choice, but I think there's definately a better choice than The Srokes.
I'll agree Room On Fire is not at all a disappointment and a more then ample successor to Is This It?, but anyone who likes LP3 has to be a complete biased fanboy/girl. It has a song or two, but it's the Strokes' Be Here Now.
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
I'll agree Room On Fire is not at all a disappointment and a more then ample successor to Is This It?, but anyone who likes LP3 has to be a complete biased fanboy/girl. It has a song or two, but it's the Strokes' Be Here Now.
I thought "First Impressions" was great but it's certainly different from the first two. That concert at DAR WAS great. But Casablancas, et al will have to do a LOT more coke to equal "Be Here Now." I wish I could find that clip of Noel Gallagher talking about "Be Here Now" from "Live Forever." Oh, here it is (from 0:52 to 1:24):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdUf6Ua9P0g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdUf6Ua9P0g)
And now matter how bad it is, it will always be the third best Oasis album. The three the released afterwards were all more dire than "Be Here Now."
Brian
P.S. I get the nose drip whenever I hear that AT&T commercial.
P.P.S. Plus, it's revisionist history to say "Oh, they were doing a lot of drugs and that's why "Be Here Now" is such a cocaine record." They were doing tons of blow for "Morning Glory" (and to a lesser extent on "Definitely Maybe".) Listen to the song "Morning Glory" and tell me it doesn't sound exactly like something off of "Be Here Now."
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I like the idea of this question...for me, the band of the decade would probably have to be Queens of the Stone Age. I could list many reasons, but really just because of the quality and consistency of their music. Hell, buy the vinyl version of "Lullabies to Paralyze" and you get tracks like "Like a Drug", "Infinity" and "Precious and Grace" and there's no way you can tell me those songs suck.
But from a public/cultural standpoint, I don't think there is a single band or artist that has defined this decade. We're in an era where the nurturing and development of artists is almost extinct. One need to look no further than the dissolving of record labels, the fact that few people sit through entire LPs, and most kids aren't "fans" of a band and instead they download songs. Flip through the iPods of any of the 20-something I work with and you will NOT find more than 4 or 5 songs from a group or artist. There is little value for something that you can get for free.
So that being said, I dunno. Maybe it's Kanye West? Britney Spears? Hannah Montana? What really inspires people these days and sets a benchmark by what an artist or musician should aspire towards? I just don't think that there's anything obvious, certainly nothing that speaks for my own tastes. Even in the 1990's we could have said the decade was summed by anyone from Nirvana to Radiohead to Outkast.
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The fact that no band jumps out at you (Beatles, Sex Pistols etc.) tells you right there what a week decade it's been.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
The fact that no band jumps out at you (Beatles, Sex Pistols etc.) tells you right there what a week decade it's been.
Thanks for the perspective. If it's a decade that doesn't contain the Sex Pistols or the Beatles then it's a FANTASTIC decade.
Brian
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"Be Here Now" is total crap, except for "Don't Go Away".
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Thanks for the perspective. If it's a decade that doesn't contain the Sex Pistols or the Beatles then it's a FANTASTIC decade.
Brian
OK, smart guy. Who do you think influenced the Strokes? If you did your homework, you'd hear that they did absolutely NOTHING NEW. It's all been done before, and better. And mind you, I like the Strokes just fine. But really, you could name everyone from the Kinks to the Stooges to the Stones. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true.
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Originally posted by bearman:
"Be Here Now" is total crap, except for "Don't Go Away".
I liked "Don't Go Away" the first time I heard it...when it was called "Don't Look Back in Anger." I liked "Don't Look Back in Anger" the first time I heard it...when it was called "All The Young Dudes."
Brian
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Originally posted by bearman:
If you did your homework, you'd hear that they did absolutely NOTHING NEW.
Don't ask him to think. It's not his strong suit.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
The fact that no band jumps out at you (Beatles, Sex Pistols etc.) tells you right there what a week decade it's been.
I think if you asked who was the band of the decade for the '70s or the '80s you would also get multiple answers - and that's 20-30 years after the fact.
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Musically Queens of the Stone Age, The White Stripes, Muse, or The Strokes.
Can't really think of better albums than that library right there.
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
I liked "Don't Go Away" the first time I heard it...when it was called "Don't Look Back in Anger." I liked "Don't Look Back in Anger" the first time I heard it...when it was called "All The Young Dudes."
The fact Brian likes David Bowie just blew my mind. Just blew it clean to pieces.
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They would only be correct if they said the Eagles and U2 for the 70's and 80's respectively.
I blame the Eagles for singlehandedly ruining country music, and U2 for politicizing rock music in a way that previously only folk musicians had.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
The fact that no band jumps out at you (Beatles, Sex Pistols etc.) tells you right there what a week decade it's been.
I think if you asked who was the band of the decade for the '70s or the '80s you would also get multiple answers - and that's 20-30 years after the fact. [/b]
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Yeah, no joke. I actually spent a few minutes trying to think if any band in the last 2-3 years had covered it, and maybe he didnt' know it was a cover.
Brian, don't you know how irrelevant Bowie is? COME ON!
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
The fact Brian likes David Bowie just blew my mind. Just blew it clean to pieces.
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I had never even heard the name Outkast when my wife first played them for me in 2001.
Originally posted by bearman:
Even in the 1990's we could have said the decade was summed by anyone from Nirvana to Radiohead to Outkast.
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I think in the 90's Outkast released about 4 or 5 LP's. "ATLiens" and "Stankonia" (which I guess was technically releaed in 2000) were pretty big-selling LP's, and people really heralded them as being not your average hip-hop band, which is why they came to mind. They released a greatest hits before they even hit it big with "Hey Ya".
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Granted I'm thinking more of our little world than the big picture, but I'd think the Shins might have a shot at band of the decade.
They pretty much went from indie buzzband to getting their name into a largely distributed move to having an album break the billboard top 10...and all on an indie label. They also seem like the poster children for the new "Indie is the New Mainstream."
If they play their cards right, and the next album takes off, I think that argument could be made.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
I actually spent a few minutes trying to think if any band in the last 2-3 years had covered it, and maybe he didnt' know it was a cover.
All I can think of is Travis and Alejandro Escovada, and the prospect of Brian listening to either of those shatters my worldview even more.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Yeah, no joke. I actually spent a few minutes trying to think if any band in the last 2-3 years had covered it, and maybe he didnt' know it was a cover.
Brian, don't you know how irrelevant Bowie is? COME ON!
Jeez! You never heard the "I liked _____ the first time when it was called _____?" It's an expression. I don't really like Bowie and don't think he's relevant either. He's one of those artists you're "supposed" to think is great (along with Lennon, Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Springsteen, Radiohead, etc.) or else you'll never be able to drive a BMW or wear a polo shirt again.
Brian
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I think by that criteria one would have to say Death Cab for Cutie is bigger than the Shins.
Originally posted by nkotb:
Granted I'm thinking more of our little world than the big picture, but I'd think the Shins might have a shot at band of the decade.
They pretty much went from indie buzzband to getting their name into a largely distributed move to having an album break the billboard top 10...and all on an indie label. They also seem like the poster children for the new "Indie is the New Mainstream."
If they play their cards right, and the next album takes off, I think that argument could be made.
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Maybe...and I thought that when I was posting. I'm not sure what the answer is, although I'm sure I gravitated toward the Shins because I think Death Cab is nancy as shit.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I think by that criteria one would have to say Death Cab for Cutie is bigger than the Shins.
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Thanks, Zach.
Originally posted by nkotb:
Granted I'm thinking more of our little world than the big picture, but I'd think the Shins might have a shot at band of the decade.
They pretty much went from indie buzzband to getting their name into a largely distributed move to having an album break the billboard top 10...and all on an indie label. They also seem like the poster children for the new "Indie is the New Mainstream."
If they play their cards right, and the next album takes off, I think that argument could be made.
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I go with Wilco for taking the lead in creating NPR-approved "indie"...this has, and will continue to have, a huge impact on music and marketing.
The whole stunt surrounding the realease of YHF also makes them the poster children for the crumbling and often out of touch music industry.
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Thanks, David Fricke.
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
I go with Wilco for taking the lead in creating NPR-approved "indie"...this has, and will continue to have, a huge impact on music and marketing.
The whole stunt surrounding the realease of YHF also makes them the poster children for the crumbling and often out of touch music industry.
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I'd rather be Zach Braff than David Fricke.
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Is that an insult? I wish I had Fricke's hair.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Thanks, David Fricke.
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
I go with Wilco for taking the lead in creating NPR-approved "indie"...this has, and will continue to have, a huge impact on music and marketing.
The whole stunt surrounding the realease of YHF also makes them the poster children for the crumbling and often out of touch music industry.
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I don't think there's a man in the world who would prefer to be David Fricke, except perhaps Brian Walalce.
Originally posted by nkotb:
I'd rather be Zach Braff than David Fricke.
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Seriously though, I always liked Rhett's perspective that a band of the etc. should reach beyond our little nerdy indie rock circle, but I can already see Rolling Stone covers and EW write ups about how the Shins changed the world.
Plus, my mom rocks the Shins.
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You may have a point. My anecdotal evidence: My brother probably hasn't bought five albums in the last five years, but he made a point of seeing the Shins at Bumbershoot this year.
Originally posted by nkotb:
Seriously though, I always liked Rhett's perspective that a band of the etc. should reach beyond our little nerdy indie rock circle, but I can already see Rolling Stone covers and EW write ups about how the Shins changed the world.
Plus, my mom rocks the Shins.
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My anecdotal evidence: At my new job, I got into a music conversation with people that admittedly dont' listen to much music. A guy told me his favorite bands were perviously Coldplay (ugh) and Three Doors Down (double ugh), but then he saw Garden State and is now in love with the Shins.
Ok, that proves nothing. I just thought it was funny.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I think by that criteria one would have to say Death Cab for Cutie is bigger than the Shins.
And Modest Mouse is bigger than Death Cab.
And Arcade Fire is bigger than Modest Mouse.
And White Stripes are bigger than Modest Mouse.
And WHOOSH BANG KARL MALONE
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
The fact that no band jumps out at you (Beatles, Sex Pistols etc.) tells you right there what a week decade it's been.
I think if you asked who was the band of the decade for the '70s or the '80s you would also get multiple answers - and that's 20-30 years after the fact. [/b]
That's my point....there'd be multiple choices, but for this decade people are saying who shouldn't be rather than who should be.
Brian Walrus is typical of this generation, putting down everyone else's opinions while offering none of his own...it's a loser generation for the most part.
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Since we're on a little Friday story tangent...
We had our heating system serviced (or it might have been the bug guy...both came out the same day)....and the guy had a long pony tail and facial piercings...and seeing my wife's guitar tried to engage her in a conversation about music...asked her what type of music she liked...I think she said "um, I dunno...like Wilco, the Shins, and Brazilian music"...and he said, "Oh, alternative." And she said, "no, more like indie rock."
So he explains that he's in a band, and that they are openers at JAXX all the time, and that she should come check his band out sometime, handing her his business card.
And she asks him what instrument he plays. And right on beat, he responds, "I'm the BACKUP drummer."
Originally posted by nkotb:
My anecdotal evidence: At my new job, I got into a music conversation with people that admittedly dont' listen to much music. A guy told me his favorite bands were perviously Coldplay (ugh) and Three Doors Down (double ugh), but then he saw Garden State and is now in love with the Shins.
Ok, that proves nothing. I just thought it was funny.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Brian Walrus is typical of this generation, putting down everyone else's opinions while offering none of his own...it's a loser generation for the most part.
This cracked me up. But ultimately I think Brian DOES know better, he just chooses to antagonize and not really care about music. If you really love music, you develop an appetite for it no matter when it was made. Isn't the whole point of posting here to learn something new?
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Originally posted by allmy$to930:
I go with Wilco for taking the lead in creating NPR-approved "indie"...this has, and will continue to have, a huge impact on music and marketing.
The whole stunt surrounding the realease of YHF also makes them the poster children for the crumbling and often out of touch music industry.
i think this is a strong argument, although their best work is from the 90s
The Strokes
The White Stripes
Wilco
all contenders ... any others?
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Nah, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of music boards that take music a bit more seriously than this place.
I thought the point of posting on here was wasting worktime and trying to one-up other pseudo-intellectual wannabes.
Originally posted by bearman:
Isn't the whole point of posting here to learn something new?
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Id choose Coldplay for band of the decade thus far. Parachutes was released in 2000. Had the song 'Yellow' that pretty much put them on the face of the planet everywhere. Their music has influenced tons of later bands - although you could argue that Coldplay is probably a rip off of Travis or some of those other prior bands.
Coldplay just happened to become bigger and more widely known than the others. Each album is quite good - although I still think none of their subsequent things will ever be on par with Parachutes.
And they didnt just stay a small indie-band and have major cross-over appeal. Assuming this doesn't have to be U.S. based band.
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Thanks, Brian Walalce.
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Id choose Coldplay for band of the decade thus far. Parachutes was released in 2000. Had the song 'Yellow' that pretty much put them on the face of the planet everywhere. Their music has influenced tons of later bands - although you could argue that Coldplay is probably a rip off of Travis or some of those other prior bands.
Coldplay just happened to become bigger and more widely known than the others. Each album is quite good - although I still think none of their subsequent things will ever be on par with Parachutes.
And they didnt just stay a small indie-band and have major cross-over appeal. Assuming this doesn't have to be U.S. based band.
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Who are the bands that Coldplay has influenced?
Other than Cedars, I mean.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Who are the bands that Coldplay has influenced?
Other than Cedars, I mean.
burn!
http://www.everythingsoundslikecoldplaynow.com/ (http://www.everythingsoundslikecoldplaynow.com/)
i think coldplay is a strong entry
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
This is an interesting topic. Thing is, is the answer the most successful band of the decade? Most influential? Best quality of music?
i don't think you can pigeon-hole it into categories like that ... just the band that best captures the zeitgeist of the decade
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coming from someone who cant even come up with their own band. try again.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Thanks, Brian Walalce.
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Id choose Coldplay for band of the decade thus far. Parachutes was released in 2000. Had the song 'Yellow' that pretty much put them on the face of the planet everywhere. Their music has influenced tons of later bands - although you could argue that Coldplay is probably a rip off of Travis or some of those other prior bands.
Coldplay just happened to become bigger and more widely known than the others. Each album is quite good - although I still think none of their subsequent things will ever be on par with Parachutes.
And they didnt just stay a small indie-band and have major cross-over appeal. Assuming this doesn't have to be U.S. based band.
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Granted, allmusic is not perfect, but I checked the Coldplay entry and this is what I found:
Followers:
Animators
Army of Me
Morning Runner
Mobile
Meeky Rosie
Blackbud
Leeland
Cord
Lyrycyst
Goodbye Tomorrow
Until June
Dikta
The Midway State
The Black Atlantic
Kalli
The Little Heroes
Jesse & Joy
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clearly the answer is billy corgan's ego.
that's why we have this reunion tour, right?
and the money.
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Unfortunately, you're probably right, especially if they hit one more big album before the end of the decade.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
i think coldplay is a strong entry
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no offense, but im taking credit for that since i was the one who said coldplay! thanks. and theyre working on a new album. rumoured sometime soon - and a bit of a changeup from prior albums.
Originally posted by nkotb:
Unfortunately, you're probably right, especially if they hit one more big album before the end of the decade.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
i think coldplay is a strong entry
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Coldplay is to the 'oughts as Supertramp is to the seventies
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Hey, if you want credit for Coldplay, you can have it.
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
no offense, but im taking credit for that since i was the one who said coldplay!
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If Coldplay is the band of the oughts, it doesn't say much for the oughts.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Coldplay is to the 'oughts as Supertramp is to the seventies
Ouch. That hurt.
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Idlewild or Phoenix
and the Strokes were nothing more than a pro-tooled "lo-fi" bar mitzvah band that were well marketed... saw them with Guided By Voices at the old Black Cat and they were definitely of the Pop Rocks variety, a interesting burst of flavor with an awful after taste.
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I think Bands of the Decade, Singles of the Year, Top 10, 100, 1000 lists, "Best" anything, etc. are useless, pointless and a waste of anyone's time. They are a sign of the mentally deficient. People who have to have their feelings quantified for their feelings to exist. The pathetic "High Fidelity"/record nerd mentality. I refuse to participate. I mean, the decade isn't even over yet!
I bet most of you are ready to compile you "Best of the Year" lists before Thanksgiving.
Rock music shouldn't "mean." It should "be."
Brian
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I too would go with Death Cab being the band of the decade before the shins, even though I think that the shins are probably better than death cab. The whole "Indie is now mainstream" movement is more real than we think. My old FM classic rock station has slowly turned into a modern rock station. So far, I've already heard the shins, the kooks, and death cab played. It's really getting to the point where the statement may be true.
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by nkotb:
Yeah, no joke. I actually spent a few minutes trying to think if any band in the last 2-3 years had covered it, and maybe he didnt' know it was a cover.
Brian, don't you know how irrelevant Bowie is? COME ON!
Jeez! You never heard the "I liked _____ the first time when it was called _____?" It's an expression. I don't really like Bowie and don't think he's relevant either. He's one of those artists you're "supposed" to think is great (along with Lennon, Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Springsteen, Radiohead, etc.) or else you'll never be able to drive a BMW or wear a polo shirt again.
Brian [/b]
Barf. The word "relevant" is completely meaningless when talking about art.
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Band (or artist) of the decade:
50's Elvis
60's Beatles
70's Ramones, Led Zep (tie)
80's U2
90's Nirvana
00's Still almost 2.5 years remain so who cares. If I was the ruler of the universe it would be the Hold Steady, only cuz they are the funnest and coolest thing to come along in a while but 99% of the world doesn't know they even exist so they don't really qualify.
And my other choices don't necessarily mean those are my fave or anything, just what comes to mind as being watershed bands for the particular decade.
P.S. I totally don't get the Death Cab appeal...that band seriously puts me to sleep.
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The Strokes for biggest empty hype of the decade.
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was in tahoe a few weekends ago and walked into one of the casinos and was immediately confronted with death cab being played throughout the casino. it was quite a downer. . .