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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sonickteam2 on March 04, 2004, 09:10:00 am
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- thank you.
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Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out :D
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I guess this means once less person at our housewarming party...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
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- thank you.
I hope you feel better now you have that off your chest...if you'd like to talk about it we're here for you.
Don't HATE IT, but I don't like it....I do HATE the inbred, redneck, arrogant, good-old-boy "not in my state y'all" state poopers though.
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Ok, I'll talk about it. I am going to Arlington last night. I get to DC fine, through the 395 tunnel, no prob. Then i think i am looking for Rt 1 North, and all there is, is Rt 1 South. So i drive all the freakin way to Seminary Rd. and then turn around.
I get on rt. 1 south, and then it kind of disappears and no more signs til BAMMMO , I'm at the airport!!!!
Its ok, cause i can just backtrack on 1 South and be on 1 North right? NOPE. But i manage my way to Washington Blvd, we're all good. So I am looking for Clarendon Blvd. NOPE! Dont see it, so i get to Lee Hwy and then stop at a gas station where the people who dont speak english try to give me directions. to where? its just down the road. why the fuck does everyone say that??? Of course its down the road. Did i think i had to get out and SWIM the rest of the way?
So i finally get myself there, park, only to find that the way i CAME is NOT the way to go home. fuck me. all this time i am driving I am following slow ass SUV motherfuckers slowing down to turn into thier driveways, never once thinking of using an indicator. people crossing the street slowly, ON THE PHONE and not at crosswalks. All the while passing NO landmarks whatsoever to aide my way. its just coffee shop, diner, bar, repeat, with the same group of well dressed white kids chuckling loudly outside of each establishment, one of them always on the phone.
am i decribing this well enough? its like a bad movie. how do people live there. everything looks the same, everyONE looks the same and everyones car is shiny. its not the real world, i tell you that.
ok, i feel better.
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i live on seminary road.
but i think you got some bum directions. personally, i don't think of arlington as NoVa, but whatever. it is confusing sometimes.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Ok, I'll talk about it. I am going to Arlington last night. I get to DC fine, through the 395 tunnel, no prob. Then i think i am looking for Rt 1 North, and all there is, is Rt 1 South. So i drive all the freakin way to Seminary Rd. and then turn around.
I get on rt. 1 south, and then it kind of disappears and no more signs til BAMMMO , I'm at the airport!!!!
Its ok, cause i can just backtrack on 1 South and be on 1 North right? NOPE. But i manage my way to Washington Blvd, we're all good. So I am looking for Clarendon Blvd. NOPE! Dont see it, so i get to Lee Hwy and then stop at a gas station where the people who dont speak english try to give me directions. to where? its just down the road. why the fuck does everyone say that??? Of course its down the road. Did i think i had to get out and SWIM the rest of the way?
So i finally get myself there, park, only to find that the way i CAME is NOT the way to go home. fuck me. all this time i am driving I am following slow ass SUV motherfuckers slowing down to turn into thier driveways, never once thinking of using an indicator. people crossing the street slowly, ON THE PHONE and not at crosswalks. All the while passing NO landmarks whatsoever to aide my way. its just coffee shop, diner, bar, repeat, with the same group of well dressed white kids chuckling loudly outside of each establishment, one of them always on the phone.
am i decribing this well enough? its like a bad movie. how do people live there. everything looks the same, everyONE looks the same and everyones car is shiny. its not the real world, i tell you that.
ok, i feel better.
Ah, yes.....I feel your pain. Luckily I know my way round better than most in MD and DC...but VA!!! Forget it. The roadsigns in VA are absolutely the worst I've ever seen anywhere in the world....I've driven in countries that I don't read the language and their signs have made more sense.
Just think about it.....if you're a tourist, or just a stranger..does it really fucking matter is it's Turd Ave. N,S,E or W?? Does it bollocks, you need to know where the fuck it takes you, not what direction it's going in....on that note one of the classic signs that I see every day is just as you get off the toll road towards the beltway and it says the same exit is RICHMOND AND BALTIMORE. The sign that lets you know the road splits is after you've taken that exit.To us locals it makes perfect sense, but the road is the one from DULLES AIRPORT so there tends to be a lot of tourists on that road. DUH! Almost daily I see some poor chump in a rental car come to a stop obviously trying to figure out how the fuck you get to Richmond and Baltimore via the same exit.
As for N. Virginians...you described them perfectly. I try to curb my anger towards VA drivers by trying to figure out two things. 1.) Why don't they put turn signals on cars that are sold in VA. 2.) What the hell does the vanity tag on their SUV mean.
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Yeah Arlington's not the easiest place to navigate if you don't know your way around at least a little. I'm with god's shoeshine...I don't really think of Arl. as NoVa either. But that's probably because I live there and resent the fact that technically we are NoVa which includes some serious hell-holes like Burke, Centerville and other way-out burbs.
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why do you consider these places hell-holes? I know a guy who is president of an IT company who lives in Burke and I've seen some nice cribs in Cetreville...
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What is hell holish about Burke or Centreville?
The only hell holes I'm aware of are the parts of DC that are east of 14th street.
Originally posted by chaz:
Yeah Arlington's not the easiest place to navigate if you don't know your way around at least a little. I'm with god's shoeshine...I don't really think of Arl. as NoVa either. But that's probably because I live there and resent the fact that technically we are NoVa which includes some serious hell-holes like Burke, Centerville and other way-out burbs.
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Originally posted by chaz:
I'm with god's shoeshine...I don't really think of Arl. as NoVa either.
what would you consider Arlington then?
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Originally posted by mankie:
2.) What the hell does the vanity tag on their SUV mean.
Possibly the dumbest thing i have ever seen. Can anyone please explain to me why people have vanity license plates? and why EVERYONE in VA has one?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Possibly the dumbest thing i have ever seen. Can anyone please explain to me why people have vanity license plates? and why EVERYONE in VA has one?
maybe they are vain?
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You must either be rich, or content to live the rest of your life in an apartment.
Originally posted by chaz:
Yeah Arlington's not the easiest place to navigate if you don't know your way around at least a little. I'm with god's shoeshine...I don't really think of Arl. as NoVa either. But that's probably because I live there and resent the fact that technically we are NoVa which includes some serious hell-holes like Burke, Centerville and other way-out burbs.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
everyONE looks the same and everyones car is shiny.
Just a different coat of paint, my friend... ;)
Once you left and saw the bright lights of the city, the familiar haze hanging over the sky, and smelled the potent Potomac, I assume you breathed a sweet sigh of relief?
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OK, I don't want to offend anyone here that lives in one of these places. They are just not for me. Just too far away for my tastes and not the kind of environment for me.
My brother in law lives out there and they've got a nice, huge house and they just love it out there. They think we (who live in Arlington) live in 'the city' and are constantly asking us how we can stand it where we live...so just different strokes for different folks.
Arlington was just a good balance for me and the missus.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
why do you consider these places hell-holes? I know a guy who is president of an IT company who lives in Burke and I've seen some nice cribs in Cetreville...
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How were you able to afford your small 600K house in Arlington?
Originally posted by chaz:
OK, I don't want to offend anyone here that lives in one of these places. They are just not for me. Just too far away for my tastes and not the kind of environment for me.
My brother in law lives out there and they've got a nice, huge house and they just love it out there. They think we (who live in Arlington) live in 'the city' and are constantly asking us how we can stand it where we live...so just different strokes for different folks.
Arlington was just a good balance for me and the missus.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
why do you consider these places hell-holes? I know a guy who is president of an IT company who lives in Burke and I've seen some nice cribs in Cetreville...
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Yes, I inherited a large sum of $$$ from my Granny who was married to an oil baron....not.
Not rich at all. We've got a small townhouse in one of the cheaper (and that's a relative term) areas of arlington that we were able to buy after years of toiling away. We got into it just in time. If we were buying now we could not afford our own place.
We could have moved somewhere outside the beltway and gotten a much bigger place but the tradeoffs just didn't make it worth it to us.
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
You must either be rich, or content to live the rest of your life in an apartment.
Originally posted by chaz:
Yeah Arlington's not the easiest place to navigate if you don't know your way around at least a little. I'm with god's shoeshine...I don't really think of Arl. as NoVa either. But that's probably because I live there and resent the fact that technically we are NoVa which includes some serious hell-holes like Burke, Centerville and other way-out burbs.
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Errrrrmmm, Arlington seems like an alright place to live. Plenty of bars and restaurants and the two live music venues.
If you want to see depressing you should check out the strip mall about two miles away from College Park.
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So what's your problem anyway? My house cost much less than 600k, in fact, signifigantly less than half that...but why should I even have to tell you this.
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
How were you able to afford your small 600K house in Arlington?
Originally posted by chaz:
OK, I don't want to offend anyone here that lives in one of these places. They are just not for me. Just too far away for my tastes and not the kind of environment for me.
My brother in law lives out there and they've got a nice, huge house and they just love it out there. They think we (who live in Arlington) live in 'the city' and are constantly asking us how we can stand it where we live...so just different strokes for different folks.
Arlington was just a good balance for me and the missus.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
why do you consider these places hell-holes? I know a guy who is president of an IT company who lives in Burke and I've seen some nice cribs in Cetreville...
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Sonick, i believe you described exactly what i went thru the first time i went to IOTA. They said take Wilson BLVD off Washington BLVD. I never found it and after taking 500 different roads i finally found it. I now know to take the GW Parkway and just get off in Roslynn now, its much easier that way.....or is it RT 110? Oh well i know how to get there even if i dont know the road.
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Originally posted by El Tee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
everyONE looks the same and everyones car is shiny.
Just a different coat of paint, my friend... ;)
Once you left and saw the bright lights of the city, the familiar haze hanging over the sky, and smelled the potent Potomac, I assume you breathed a sweet sigh of relief? [/b]
an ugly coat of paint. And yes, i was so happy to be in DC that i didnt even mind rumbling over the monstrocity that they call M st. (what are they DOING to that road!?)
thank you very much! or I might still be driving around VA!!!
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Oh well i know how to get there even if i dont know the road.
EXACTLY!!!! hahahaha. you are a true NoVan
they know where everything is, but cant tell ANYONE how to get to any of it. its like a secret code or something that only they know.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i live on seminary road.
but i think you got some bum directions. personally, i don't think of arlington as NoVa, but whatever. it is confusing sometimes.
I think of Arlington as Nova....But I can understand wanting to live closer into the city and more options to walk about...I live in VA and I feel your pain sonick...man alive -- it is perplexing that one cannot get onto 66 (east) from the exit right next to Tyson's. I've known this for years, alas, I had to be reminded of it again. I practically went to DC and back just to get to Arlington.
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
You must either be rich, or content to live the rest of your life in an apartment.
not everyone wants a single family home you know. I am content with a nice condo overlooking Zurich. :)
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getting to arlington from maryland is a royal pain in the arse... there are many ways none of them very direct. it always seems that key roads don't connect where they should.
of course it dosen't help that getting from 295 south to 395 in DC involves making a pact with the devil... talking about a screwed set of roads and "freeways".
when i got to clarendon yesterday it was people walking in the street when there was a perfectly good sidewalk. cars double parked or cutting across two lanes to park. it was an obstacle course. i blame the fresh fields for ruining the area around iota and galaxy hut.
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Not sure when you bought, but a quick perusal of single family homes in Arlington on realtor.com shows that over 80% of the homes for sale in Arlington cost over 400K, and over 50% of them cost over 500K.
Even a modest 3 BR single family home in "far out" suburbs such as Burke, Centreville, or Springfield will run you 450K-400K these days.
I would guess that most people who are moving to the places you look down on aren't moving there because they just happen to want to live in a far flung suburb; they're moving there because that's somewhere they can afford.
Originally posted by chaz:
[QB] So what's your problem anyway? My house cost much less than 600k, in fact, signifigantly less than half that...but why should I even have to tell you this.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Sonick, i believe you described exactly what i went thru the first time i went to IOTA. They said take Wilson BLVD off Washington BLVD. I never found it and after taking 500 different roads i finally found it. I now know to take the GW Parkway and just get off in Roslynn now, its much easier that way.....or is it RT 110? Oh well i know how to get there even if i dont know the road.
actually, it is easier to get to iota from washington blvd. . .it's the exit right past the pentagon on 395. nevertheless, i just take 66 to the wilson blvd exit and go straight up wilson.
btw, whoever told you to take rt. 1 was wrong, i believe rt 1 crosses into dc via the 14th street bridge.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Errrrrmmm, Arlington seems like an alright place to live. Plenty of bars and restaurants and the two live music venues.
and that's why i don't think of it as nova. northern virginia is where you go when you get married and want to raise kids. you know, places where you can almost afford to buy a house. arlington seems great for apartment living, though. one of my favorite places in the area, despite being confusing.
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Read my post. I own a townhouse not a single family.
Then read my other post. I don't 'look down' on these places. They're just not for me.
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Not sure when you bought, but a quick perusal of single family homes in Arlington on realtor.com shows that over 80% of the homes for sale in Arlington cost over 400K, and over 50% of them cost over 500K.
Even a modest 3 BR single family home in "far out" suburbs such as Burke, Centreville, or Springfield will run you 450K-400K these days.
I would guess that most people who are moving to the places you look down on aren't moving there because they just happen to want to live in a far flung suburb; they're moving there because that's somewhere they can afford.
Originally posted by chaz:
[QB] So what's your problem anyway? My house cost much less than 600k, in fact, signifigantly less than half that...but why should I even have to tell you this. [/b]
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I used to whine about driving in the DC area when I lived in Baltimore, but once you've been here for awhile it gets pretty easy.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by El Tee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
everyONE looks the same and everyones car is shiny.
Just a different coat of paint, my friend... ;)
Once you left and saw the bright lights of the city, the familiar haze hanging over the sky, and smelled the potent Potomac, I assume you breathed a sweet sigh of relief? [/b]
And yes, i was so happy to be in DC that i didnt even mind rumbling over the monstrocity that they call M st. (what are they DOING to that road!?)
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I've felt that too! Frustrated, but relieved to be in familiar DC, I didn't mind the potholes & 20 minutes it took me to drive one block on M Street! I dunno what they are doing there. They "fix" one corner and move to the next each summer, adding massive congestion. When I worked there in '98/'99 the darn potholes were blowing up all over the place.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Errrrrmmm, Arlington seems like an alright place to live. Plenty of bars and restaurants and the two live music venues.
If you want to see depressing you should check out the strip mall about two miles away from College Park.
I thought virginia would be an ok place to live as well, then I lived in Alexandria for a year and Crystal City for a year, no offense to those that live there, but never again for me.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
but i think you got some bum directions.
My directions were just fine thank you.
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Originally posted by El Tee:
the darn potholes were blowing up all over the place.
http://www.thegeorgetownproject.org/ (http://www.thegeorgetownproject.org/)
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i blame the fresh fields for ruining the area around iota and galaxy hut.
Ditto! I wondered if sonick was going to be sick when he saw the mammoth Pottery Barn & others stores facing him when he left.
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Originally posted by pollard:
[qbI thought virginia would be an ok place to live as well, then I lived in Alexandria for a year and Crystal City for a year, no offense to those that live there, but never again for me. [/QB]
I guess I just meant the area right around iota/Clarendon Metro. I cant imagine there were many bars or venues within walking distance of your locations?
It's cool to live within close walking distance of a bank, a safeway, julias empenadas and a bit longer walk to four music venues....
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Originally posted by El Tee:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i blame the fresh fields for ruining the area around iota and galaxy hut.
Ditto! I wondered if sonick was going to be sick when he saw the mammoth Pottery Barn & others stores facing him when he left. [/b]
Sonick HATES suburbia. I have a massive loathing for it. and i cant really tell you why. It makes me want to cry.
I lived in suburbia for a year or two....no good.
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Originally posted by El Tee:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i blame the fresh fields for ruining the area around iota and galaxy hut.
Ditto! I wondered if sonick was going to be sick when he saw the mammoth Pottery Barn & others stores facing him when he left. [/b]
Here's another N. Va Classic.
They just opened the new Wegmans store out here in Dulles so we have about 500million more SUV's going up and down Commercial Drive off 28 every day.....they also just closed off the left turn lane going from Commercial back to Rte. 28 this week so now everyone has to go up to the light, wait for the lights then turn left! Aye yaye yaye! How stoooopid to you have to be to work for N. VA?
BTW. The Wegmans is something to see, worth a trip out but bring you patience and packed lunch for while you're sat in traffic waiting to get in the car park.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I guess I just meant the area right around iota/Clarendon Metro. I cant imagine there were many bars or venues within walking distance of your locations?
It's cool to live within close walking distance of a bank, a safeway, julias empenadas and a bit longer walk to four music venues....
there are a ton of bars and eateries in crystal city, they are just mostly crap, but no venues, there were two malls and many grocery stores and chain stores all within walking distance and an actual branch of my bank open at odd hours, and all those "conveniences" were still not worth it for me
there was nothing in alexandria, although I was in walking distance of the birchmere
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Originally posted by mankie:
Here's another N. Va Classic.
They just opened the new Wegmans store out here in Dulles so we have about 500million more SUV's going up and down Commercial Drive off 28 every day.....they also just closed off the left turn lane going from Commercial back to Rte. 28 this week so now everyone has to go up to the light, wait for the lights then turn left! Aye yaye yaye! How stoooopid to you have to be to work for N. VA?
BTW. The Wegmans is something to see, worth a trip out but bring you patience and packed lunch for while you're sat in traffic waiting to get in the car park.
what the hell is Wegmans and why do people want to go there?
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I question why anyone under 30 would want to live in suburbia. I question why anyone over 35 who doesn't make a shitload of money would want to live in a large city...but that's just me...
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Wegmans is a NY based supermarket...only with a difference.
I couldn't understand all the hype while they were building it, but I understand it a bit now I've been in the place.
If you got Sutton Place but made it about 100 times larger, then added an eatery of nothing but gourmet food.....sushi, hot chinese food bar, desert bar, sandwich bar, pizza bar, coffee bar etc etc etc....you should get the idea. Then the also have aisles dedicated to various countries, and their wine section is feck'n enormous.
I couldn't understand why they don't have a salad bar though, which was the only damn thing I have been waiting for. Now I still have to put my salad together at home every morning. DAMN!
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
I question why anyone under 30 would want to live in suburbia. I question why anyone over 35 who doesn't make a shitload of money would want to live in a large city...but that's just me...
I would love to live in a large city as long as I was filthy rich, but just not DC...not just DC, but certainly not DC.
One of the things that I don't like about Suburbia (Not Wheaton Thirsty so don't go all defensive on me) is no matter what you do, you're driving to get there.
These are my 'must haves' when we move to Ireland next year.
A view of the sea
Be able to walk to the shops
Be able to walk to the pub
For me, those come before running water and electricity....which in Ireland is not out of the realm. :D
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
I guess I just meant the area right around iota/Clarendon Metro. I cant imagine there were many bars or venues within walking distance of your locations?
It's cool to live within close walking distance of a bank, a safeway, julias empenadas and a bit longer walk to four music venues....
there are a ton of bars and eateries in crystal city, they are just mostly crap, but no venues, there were two malls and many grocery stores and chain stores all within walking distance and an actual branch of my bank open at odd hours, and all those "conveniences" were still not worth it for me
there was nothing in alexandria, although I was in walking distance of the birchmere [/b]
Pollard, where did you live, it seems to be pretty close to where I currently live.
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What are you going to do for work when you move to Ireland?
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
I question why anyone under 30 would want to live in suburbia. I question why anyone over 35 who doesn't make a shitload of money would want to live in a large city...but that's just me...
I would love to live in a large city as long as I was filthy rich, but just not DC...not just DC, but certainly not DC.
One of the things that I don't like about Suburbia (Not Wheaton Thirsty so don't go all defensive on me) is no matter what you do, you're driving to get there.
These are my 'must haves' when we move to Ireland next year.
A view of the sea
Be able to walk to the shops
Be able to walk to the pub
For me, those come before running water and electricity....which in Ireland is not out of the realm. :D [/b]
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Originally posted by redsock:
Pollard, where did you live, it seems to be pretty close to where I currently live.
in Alexandria I lived off of W Glebe (address was on Brighton Ct.)
in Crystal City I lived in one of those buildings in between Pentagon City Mall and Crystal City Underground on South Eads
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
I question why anyone under 30 would want to live in suburbia. I question why anyone over 35 who doesn't make a shitload of money would want to live in a large city...but that's just me...
well i was thinking about this the other day after looking at a real estate guide and seeking that real estate prices are indeed going through the roof. and what i think is affordable is called "cozy". since there are no plans for offspring i was beginning to wonder if i'm going to spend a armoured car load of money on a place i'd rather live in dc to be "where the action is", verses a macmansion or a quaint, but still costing an leg, bungalow inside the beltway.
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i'd live in dc if i worked in the city, but i don't. i miss being able to walk to multiple bars/pubs from my pittsburgh days. south side represent
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by El Tee:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i blame the fresh fields for ruining the area around iota and galaxy hut.
Ditto! I wondered if sonick was going to be sick when he saw the mammoth Pottery Barn & others stores facing him when he left. [/b]
Here's another N. Va Classic.
They just opened the new Wegmans store out here in Dulles so we have about 500million more SUV's going up and down Commercial Drive off 28 every day.....they also just closed off the left turn lane going from Commercial back to Rte. 28 this week so now everyone has to go up to the light, wait for the lights then turn left! Aye yaye yaye! How stoooopid to you have to be to work for N. VA?
BTW. The Wegmans is something to see, worth a trip out but bring you patience and packed lunch for while you're sat in traffic waiting to get in the car park. [/b]
Ack! The Waxpool intersection! Half an hour spent at one light trying to turn left. I hated the months I worked over there. Although, if you work there, you never have to leave with all the "amenities".
Many have mentioned this store to me, thanks for the tips.
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One of the great things about DC is that they have a metro system such that you can work within walking distance of restaurants and bars, then go home to your suburban home, with only a short drive home from the train station.
When you WORK within walking distance of great restuarants, there's really not a need to LIVE within walking distance...
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Originally posted by chaz:
Read my post. I own a townhouse not a single family.
I own a single family too. They're Indonesian, Javanese actually...and cute as buttons every one of 'em!
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
When you WORK within walking distance of great restuarants...
My goal in life has always been to WALK within working distance of bad restaurants, and to WALK within living distance Would I ever be fulfilled in NoVa?
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
[QB] What are you going to do for work when you move to Ireland?
No clue...I'll worry about that next year.
I've never been one to put job before family, and my family wants to move back home. Plus the reality is if you have good sales experience there's always a job for you.
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Originally posted by mankie:
No clue...I'll worry about that next year.
I've never been one to put job before family, and my family wants to move back home. Plus the reality is if you have good sales experience there's always a job for you. [/QB]
So you might be that guy that goes pub to pub selling flowers?
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They are not big on them in the UK....
I imagine Mankie selling Double Glazing.....
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I imagine Mankie selling Double Glazing.....
or on the dole...
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What a terrible thought:
http://www.bobdole.org/bio/ (http://www.bobdole.org/bio/)
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
They are not big on them in the UK....
I imagine Mankie selling Double Glazing.....
Singing Cockles and mussels...alive alive'o! ;)
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Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
I imagine Mankie selling Double Glazing.....
or on the dole... [/b]
oh no! i read angela's ashes. i know what happens when you go from ireland to america then back to ireland. don't do it man!
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by Groundskeeper's Willy:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
I imagine Mankie selling Double Glazing.....
or on the dole... [/b]
oh no! i read angela's ashes. i know what happens when you go from ireland to america then back to ireland. don't do it man! [/b]
Come on, I read that book also...grossly exagerated....they totally had shoes!
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
When you WORK within walking distance of great restuarants...
My goal in life has always been to WALK within working distance of bad restaurants, and to WALK within living distance Would I ever be fulfilled in NoVa?
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I've yet to encounter a "great" restaurant in this metro area...there are some decent ones...but...most of the food we cook tastes better and is healthier...with the exception of sushi and Indian (which they do better!)
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For all of you complaining about the lack of things to do in Virginia, what about Maryland? Seems the MD suburbs are much worse, no? Or am I mistaken, and perhaps there is a gaggle of great restuarants in Rockville?
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
For all of you complaining about the lack of things to do in Virginia, what about Maryland? Seems the MD suburbs are much worse, no? Or am I mistaken, and perhaps there is a gaggle of great restuarants in Rockville?
i lived in rockville for 3 months, was worse than virginia, there is always bethesda, which is my least favorite part of the local area
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Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
I've yet to encounter a "great" restaurant in this metro area...there are some decent ones...but...most of the food we cook tastes better and is healthier...with the exception of sushi and Indian (which they do better!)
never been to inn at little washington, or jaleo, or galileo, or filomena, or a cheesesteak from the cheesesteak factory in georgetown? nevermind the fantastic steaks at district chophouse and capitol grill (they've also got good garlic mashed potatoes). for seafood. . go to annapolis or baltimore for that.
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We don't eat meat.
Jaleo sucks, imo.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
I've yet to encounter a "great" restaurant in this metro area...there are some decent ones...but...most of the food we cook tastes better and is healthier...with the exception of sushi and Indian (which they do better!)
never been to inn at little washington, or jaleo, or galileo, or filomena, or a cheesesteak from the cheesesteak factory in georgetown? nevermind the fantastic steaks at district chophouse and capitol grill (they've also got good garlic mashed potatoes). for seafood. . go to annapolis or baltimore for that. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
We don't eat meat.
Jaleo sucks, imo.
oooh, some people on this board will take offense to the jaleo comment. . .nevertheless, their paella is really good, as are the mussels.
i suppose your pallette is not sophisticated enough for such niceties.
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Like fucking cheesesteak is oh so sophisticated.
I just don't care much for Spanish cooking, period.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
We don't eat meat.
Jaleo sucks, imo.
oooh, some people on this board will take offense to the jaleo comment. . .nevertheless, their paella is really good, as are the mussels.
i suppose your pallette is not sophisticated enough for such niceties. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Like fucking cheesesteak is oh so sophisticated.
that's an experience you should share with the board. . i didn't know you liked food that way.
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har har
At least I'm not killing the animal...
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Like fucking cheesesteak is oh so sophisticated.
that's an experience you should share with the board. . i didn't know you liked food that way. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
har har
At least I'm not killing the animal...
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Like fucking cheesesteak is oh so sophisticated.
that's an experience you should share with the board. . i didn't know you liked food that way. [/b]
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thats not what the animal said.
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
har har
At least I'm not killing the animal...
oh, you disappoint me. i was hoping for something more scathing and illogical.
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jaleo is good stuff. however, the hour and a half wait is not...
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
jaleo is good stuff. however, the hour and a half wait is not...
true dat. . .but then we just spend our time at the bar drinking sangria. have you tried the white sangria? perfect for a hot summer day.
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Not going on a weekend helps......
But I find the food rather impressive. Not just a flavourless recreation of Spanish food to appease bland American tastes.
Infact between Jaleo, Jyoti, MrChens, Saigonnaise, Lebanese Taverna and Lauriol Plaza I am more than happy.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Jyoti, Mr Chens
if forced, I could be happy with just these two
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Jyoti must make excellent meat dishes, because their veggie dishes suck.
Mr Chen's always comes through for good takeout.
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Well their eggplant samosas are my favourites, especially with some of the tamarin chutney (The dark brown one). I tried someones dish that had cauliflower in that was really very good. But, unfortunately animals taste better than vegetables.
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Their Chana Masala (sp?) is excellent. It's basically chick peas and potatoes with some curry thrown on it. Very tasty.
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Suburbs suck, but Maryland beats Virginia hands down.
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Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
I've yet to encounter a "great" restaurant in this metro area...there are some decent ones...but...most of the food we cook tastes better and is healthier...with the exception of sushi and Indian (which they do better!)
I'm not one to ridicule personal opinion, but DC is easily one of the best restaurant towns on the East Coast. Il Laboratorio, Marcel's, Citronelle, The Minibar at Cafe Atlantico, Zaytinya, and Nectar all come to mind instantly. No offense, but I doubt very much that you or Rutherford cook better than Jose Andres, Roberto Donna, or Michel Richard. I know I don't, even though I wish I could.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
I've yet to encounter a "great" restaurant in this metro area...there are some decent ones...but...most of the food we cook tastes better and is healthier...with the exception of sushi and Indian (which they do better!)
I'm not one to ridicule personal opinion, but DC is easily one of the best restaurant towns on the East Coast. Il Laboratorio, Marcel's, Citronelle, The Minibar at Cafe Atlantico, Zaytinya, and Nectar all come to mind instantly. No offense, but I doubt very much that you or Rutherford cook better than Jose Andres, Roberto Donna, or Michel Richard. I know I don't, even though I wish I could. [/b]
If you really want the scoop on what's good and what's not, check out DC restaurant critic Tom Seitsema's live online chats, every Wed at 11am at www.washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com) He's usually pretty upfront about what's good and what's not.
Gotta say, this is a really really good restaurant town if you know where to look.
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Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
When you WORK within walking distance of great restuarants...
My goal in life has always been to WALK within working distance of bad restaurants, and to WALK within living distance Would I ever be fulfilled in NoVa?
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I've yet to encounter a "great" restaurant in this metro area...there are some decent ones...but...most of the food we cook tastes better and is healthier...with the exception of sushi and Indian (which they do better!) [/b]
Can I come for dinner to you house please? I'll behave myself and remember my p's and q's.
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If you want good Indian food and don't care about waiters dressed in traditional togs and all that crap...HAANDI in Bethesda is the only place to go in my opinion. Best Indian food around...without question.
Not saying it's the only good place...there's other good Injun nosh shops in town, but Haandi is the best.
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Haandi in Bethesda?
Its not as good as jyoti. I have been to both, multiple times.
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A view of the sea
Be able to walk to the shops
Be able to walk to the pub
I'll be interested to see how you do with this must have list - with the ol Celtic Tiger sea views have appreciated incredibly, even in rural areas coz all the rich Dubs are snapping up weekend homes....now of course if your wife knows someone with a nice site with a view your all set but otherwise be prepared for the kindofbidding wars you see here
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I'm not one to ridicule personal opinion, but DC is easily one of the best restaurant towns on the East Coast. Il Laboratorio, Marcel's, Citronelle, The Minibar at Cafe Atlantico, Zaytinya, and Nectar all come to mind instantly.
Don't leave out Maestro which imho is the best restaurant by far in the Metro area (disclaimer - have not been to Citronelle but have also heard that Citronelle has a tendancy to either be amazing or a bit of a letdown with nothing in between)
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I question why anyone under 30 would want to live in suburbia. I question why anyone over 35 who doesn't make a shitload of money would want to live in a large city...but that's just me...
god I hate the burbs (although I won't be 35 for a few years so maybe I'll change my mind then)...everyone driving around in their little steel cages, stressed out even on weekend coz theres a trafic jam to get to the shops, cookie cutter, shoddily built homes, 2 hours commuting a day....but to each his own
will take my house in the district any day over that
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
For all of you complaining about the lack of things to do in Virginia, what about Maryland? Seems the MD suburbs are much worse, no? Or am I mistaken, and perhaps there is a gaggle of great restuarants in Rockville?
...Don't talk to debutantes, don't eat in restaurants. The patrons sit and stare. The waiters make wise cracks behind my back.
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Seems the MD suburbs are much worse, no? Or am I mistaken, and perhaps there is a gaggle of great restuarants in Rockville?
bethesda has a few decent restaurants
addies on the pike is meant to be good altho I haven't been
germantown actually has a couple of decent non chain restaurants
and olney has le mannequin pis, which again I have not been to but garners good reviews
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Originally posted by brennser:
....now of course if your wife knows someone with a nice site with a view your all set [/b]
;)
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I move to the San Diego area in two weeks. my four year sentence in NOVA is up :D
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I notice that whenever there is talk of suburban resturant it always centers around Montgomery county, so at least you have optons. I think traffic is so bad in these parts because everyone in PG county has to go west or south to find good food. As I tell everyone there are as many resturanted reviewed in the Post for PG county as in Bethesda alone. And thinking about it some of those listed as PG county ones are actually in Montgomery county.
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Hey Kosmo, know any good restuarants in the College Park area?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
I notice that whenever there is talk of suburban resturant it always centers around Montgomery county, so at least you have optons. I think traffic is so bad in these parts because everyone in PG county has to go west or south to find good food. As I tell everyone there are as many resturanted reviewed in the Post for PG county as in Bethesda alone. And thinking about it some of those listed as PG county ones are actually in Montgomery county.
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Originally posted by brennser:
god I hate the burbs (although I won't be 35 for a few years so maybe I'll change my mind then)...everyone driving around in their little steel cages, stressed out even on weekend coz theres a trafic jam to get to the shops, cookie cutter, shoddily built homes, 2 hours commuting a day....but to each his own
will take my house in the district any day over that
well...I'll take my solid-brick, detached house with a nice yard, swimming pool, off-street parking in a nice tree-lined neighborhood, 20-minute commute and 5 minute drive to the metro over the cramped 2-bedroom condo I could get downtown for the same price. I'm not gonna give up all that just so I can have the convenience of walking everywhere.
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I'll bet you can go for nice walks when you get home.
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by brennser:
god I hate the burbs (although I won't be 35 for a few years so maybe I'll change my mind then)...everyone driving around in their little steel cages, stressed out even on weekend coz theres a trafic jam to get to the shops, cookie cutter, shoddily built homes, 2 hours commuting a day....but to each his own
will take my house in the district any day over that
well...I'll take my solid-brick, detached house with a nice yard, swimming pool, off-street parking in a nice tree-lined neighborhood, 20-minute commute and 5 minute drive to the metro over the cramped 2-bedroom condo I could get downtown for the same price. I'm not gonna give up all that just so I can have the convenience of walking everywhere. [/b]
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by brennser:
god I hate the burbs (although I won't be 35 for a few years so maybe I'll change my mind then)...everyone driving around in their little steel cages, stressed out even on weekend coz theres a trafic jam to get to the shops, cookie cutter, shoddily built homes, 2 hours commuting a day....but to each his own
will take my house in the district any day over that
well...I'll take my solid-brick, detached house with a nice yard, swimming pool, off-street parking in a nice tree-lined neighborhood, 20-minute commute and 5 minute drive to the metro over the cramped 2-bedroom condo I could get downtown for the same price. I'm not gonna give up all that just so I can have the convenience of walking everywhere. [/b]
Are you sure you're calculating the cost right? I mean, sure, you could get a 2BR in town for the cost of your suburban home, but have you considered...
The cost of your car? (Conservatively, $200/mo)
The cost of gas, insurance, parking, mainenance? (again, about $200/mo for most folks I know)
The cost of the time you spend commuting and the sanity you lose in traffic?
So, let's see... Add $400+ to your rent and that's what you could afford in the city, really.
Sure, my rent's high, but my commute is free, short, and makes it so I don't own a car.
That's priceless.
Oh, and did I mention that I can bike to 9:30? Again, free parking, no DUI concerns, no traffic issues....
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by brennser:
god I hate the burbs (although I won't be 35 for a few years so maybe I'll change my mind then)...everyone driving around in their little steel cages, stressed out even on weekend coz theres a trafic jam to get to the shops, cookie cutter, shoddily built homes, 2 hours commuting a day....but to each his own
will take my house in the district any day over that
well...I'll take my solid-brick, detached house with a nice yard, swimming pool, off-street parking in a nice tree-lined neighborhood, 20-minute commute and 5 minute drive to the metro over the cramped 2-bedroom condo I could get downtown for the same price. I'm not gonna give up all that just so I can have the convenience of walking everywhere. [/b]
Are you sure you're calculating the cost right? I mean, sure, you could get a 2BR in town for the cost of your suburban home, but have you considered...
The cost of your car? (Conservatively, $200/mo)
The cost of gas, insurance, parking, mainenance? (again, about $200/mo for most folks I know)
The cost of the time you spend commuting and the sanity you lose in traffic?
So, let's see... Add $400+ to your rent and that's what you could afford in the city, really.
Sure, my rent's high, but my commute is free, short, and makes it so I don't own a car.
That's priceless.
Oh, and did I mention that I can bike to 9:30? Again, free parking, no DUI concerns, no traffic issues.... [/b]
So you NEVER leave the city then seeing as you don't have a car...well no further than the end of the metro lines anyway.
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Hey Kosmo, know any good restuarants in the College Park area?
Of course I do... Mandalay is the best resturant, it has Burmese veggie fare. The other one that might interest you is Udupi Palace which is a Southern Indian Veggie only place. It's actually in Langley Park closer to Takoma Park. Franklin's in Hyattsville is better than most chain resturants.
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[/qb][/QUOTE]So you NEVER leave the city then seeing as you don't have a car...well no further than the end of the metro lines anyway. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Umm... hello? Car rental, flex car, airport, amtrak, greyhound... what more does a person need? There is absolutely no reason to own a car in such walkable, bikable, Metroable, transit hub of a city!
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Yes, but if you're paying rent, you're not gaining any equity, you're simply throwing money out the window. But I think (s)he was comparing the cost of a condo (not an apartment) to the cost of a detached suburban home.
And by living in the burbs, (s)he also saves 3% on lower income taxes, meaning $1800 (or $150 per month), even if he makes a modest 60K a year.
Plus, he said he only takes 5 mins to drive to the metro. Doesn't sound like insanity or lost time to me.
And if you're the type of person who likes to go to the beach, mountains, etc frequently, you're going to need a car anyway. By choosing to live in a city without a car, you're choosing to cut yourself off from many lovely things in life, thereby cutting into your quality of life.
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by brennser:
god I hate the burbs (although I won't be 35 for a few years so maybe I'll change my mind then)...everyone driving around in their little steel cages, stressed out even on weekend coz theres a trafic jam to get to the shops, cookie cutter, shoddily built homes, 2 hours commuting a day....but to each his own
will take my house in the district any day over that
well...I'll take my solid-brick, detached house with a nice yard, swimming pool, off-street parking in a nice tree-lined neighborhood, 20-minute commute and 5 minute drive to the metro over the cramped 2-bedroom condo I could get downtown for the same price. I'm not gonna give up all that just so I can have the convenience of walking everywhere. [/b]
Are you sure you're calculating the cost right? I mean, sure, you could get a 2BR in town for the cost of your suburban home, but have you considered...
The cost of your car? (Conservatively, $200/mo)
The cost of gas, insurance, parking, mainenance? (again, about $200/mo for most folks I know)
The cost of the time you spend commuting and the sanity you lose in traffic?
So, let's see... Add $400+ to your rent and that's what you could afford in the city, really.
Sure, my rent's high, but my commute is free, short, and makes it so I don't own a car.
That's priceless.
Oh, and did I mention that I can bike to 9:30? Again, free parking, no DUI concerns, no traffic issues.... [/b]
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
So you NEVER leave the city then seeing as you don't have a car...well no further than the end of the metro lines anyway. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Umm... hello? Car rental, flex car, airport, amtrak, greyhound... what more does a person need? There is absolutely no reason to own a car in such walkable, bikable, Metroable, transit hub of a city! [/QB][/QUOTE]
Then why not include all your rental, flex car, airport, amtrak, greyhound expenses into you city living if we are supposed to include our cars into burb-life.
Did I mention my house has appreciated $50k this year and I got $4k back in taxes because of my mortgage...lets take that off my burb expenses while we're at it.
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Yes, but if you're paying rent, you're not gaining any equity, you're simply throwing money out the window. But I think (s)he was comparing the cost of a condo (not an apartment) to the cost of a detached suburban home.
And by living in the burbs, (s)he also saves 3% on lower income taxes, meaning $1800 (or $150 per month), even if he makes a modest 60K a year.
Plus, he said he only takes 5 mins to drive to the metro. Doesn't sound like insanity or lost time to me.
And if you're the type of person who likes to go to the beach, mountains, etc frequently, you're going to need a car anyway. By choosing to live in a city without a car, you're choosing to cut yourself off from many lovely things in life, thereby cutting into your quality of life.
Ummm... y'all are just not very creative, are you?
For one, I am a condo owner. Yes indeedy, and I even got a $5000 tax credit (that's right, credit) for buying it. Rock. And if I want to go somewhere, I rent. Even two weekends a month of $25/day rentals is faaaaaar cheaper than owning a car. I go wherever I want whenever I want, only I do it cheaper.
Besides, if you want to talk about investments, let's talk about real estate returns on burbs vs. city. There will always be demand for places in decent neighborhoods of the city. This is not the case for the burbs (look at the inner burbs!) and will be even more not the case when gas prices shoot up in the next 5-10 years. (As gas gets more expensive, farther out properties will get less desirable).
Alas, I rest my case. I'll be home from work by 5:15 today, in time to bike wherever I want for happy hour, and be at the bar by 5:30. Try saying that about suburban living...
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Seems you live in the city so you can be in walking/cycling distance to a bar.....one day at a time, one day at a time.
If it's so great to live in the city why is DC losing residents at such an alarming rate?
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Originally posted by mankie:
If it's so great to live in the city why is DC losing residents at such an alarming rate?
making room for starbucks
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Originally posted by mankie:
If it's so great to live in the city why is DC losing residents at such an alarming rate?
I'd have to say because of the schools... if you're middle class with kids, you can't afford private and you don't want DCPS, so you move out.
Though if I had kids I'd probably go the DCPS route... diversity in education is really important.
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solid-brick, detached house with a nice yard, swimming pool, off-street parking in a nice tree-lined neighborhood, 20-minute commute and 5 minute drive to the metro
wait, how did you know thats where I live in DC!
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Are you sure you're calculating the cost right? I mean, sure, you could get a 2BR in town for the cost of your suburban home, but have you considered...
The cost of your car? (Conservatively, $200/mo)
The cost of gas, insurance, parking, mainenance? (again, about $200/mo for most folks I know)
The cost of the time you spend commuting and the sanity you lose in traffic?
So, let's see... Add $400+ to your rent and that's what you could afford in the city, really.
Sure, my rent's high, but my commute is free, short, and makes it so I don't own a car.
That's priceless.
Oh, and did I mention that I can bike to 9:30? Again, free parking, no DUI concerns, no traffic issues....
I like to travel too much to go without a car, so I'm going to have that expense no matter what. I imagine the cost of car insurance would go up quite a bit if I moved to the city. Parking is free where I live and work. Even if I dropped the car, I doubt an extra $400 would get me everything I listed above. As for the commute, it's usually only 20-minutes each way. I don't mind that at all.
Of course, I'd love to be closer to the clubs. You definitely win that one. It's just not worth giving up everything else for that.
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How much diversity is there if 85% of the kids are African-American, 14% Hispanic, and 1% Caucasian (made up numbers, but I can't believe it would be far from the truth)?...and 99% of the schools suck?
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by mankie:
If it's so great to live in the city why is DC losing residents at such an alarming rate?
I'd have to say because of the schools... if you're middle class with kids, you can't afford private and you don't want DCPS, so you move out.
Though if I had kids I'd probably go the DCPS route... diversity in education is really important. [/b]
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Did I mention my house has appreciated $50k this year and I got $4k back in taxes because of my mortgage...lets take that off my burb expenses while we're at it.
shit I feel so cheated - I completely forgot that its only houses in the suburbs that appreciate and only houses in the suburbs where you can deduct mortgage interest :mad:
what was I thinking when I bought a house in DC!!!!
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why the constant debate about city vs. suburbs, I live in the city because I love the city, other people live elsewhere because they like that (I don't know why, but they do)
surprisingly, people have different priorities, who'd a thunk
if you want to debate other issues about how suburban sprawl is horrible and how it could be better, go ahead, but city vs. suburbs debate is not going anywhere
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
How much diversity is there if 85% of the kids are African-American, 14% Hispanic, and 1% Caucasian (made up numbers, but I can't believe it would be far from the truth)?...and 99% of the schools suck?
Um, I think you have a closed-minded view of DCPS. Remember, there are as many National Merit Scholars coming out of Wilson as there are coming out of Sidwell.
The one thing I haven't mentioned yet about this debate is air quality...
I'm an asthmatic and air pollution has a big effect on how long I live. There are hundreds of thousands of people like me in this region. The number one source of air pollution in our region is "non-point source pollution," i.e. cars and trucks. I personally view people who "choose" to live in the burbs and drive to work, when there are so many non-driving alternatives, as the reason I can't go jogging in August. And that sucks.
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If you bought a house in DC the size that Mankie did on Aspen Hill, complete with a yard the same size, you probably paid twice what he did.
Originally posted by brennser:
Did I mention my house has appreciated $50k this year and I got $4k back in taxes because of my mortgage...lets take that off my burb expenses while we're at it.
shit I feel so cheated - I completely forgot that its only houses in the suburbs that appreciate and only houses in the suburbs where you can deduct mortgage interest :mad:
what was I thinking when I bought a house in DC!!!! [/b]
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
But I think (s)he was comparing
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And by living in the burbs, (s)he also saves
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ummm - I'm most definitely a "he".
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If you bought a house in DC the size that Mankie did on Aspen Hill, complete with a yard the same size, you probably paid twice what he did.
and your point is?
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If it's so great to live in the city why is DC losing residents at such an alarming rate?
US Census 2002 Total Population Estimate 570,898
US Census 2001 Total Population Estimate 573,822
US Census 2000 Total Population 571,641
yeah, I'm definitely alarmed!
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surprisingly, people have different priorities, who'd a thunk
if you want to debate other issues about how suburban sprawl is horrible and how it could be better, go ahead, but city vs. suburbs debate is not going anywhere
agree with you 100% pollard - what I object to is the inference that people who decide to subject themselves to life in the burbs are somehow more enlightened than those of us who coose to live in the city
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Those of us with modest incomes who want a modest sized, detached, single family home with a yard have no choice but to buy a house in the burbs as opposed to buying the same house in DC.
If you can afford a single family, detached home with a yard in the district, you've either got a damn good paying job, or a damn handy trust fund.
Originally posted by brennser:
If you bought a house in DC the size that Mankie did on Aspen Hill, complete with a yard the same size, you probably paid twice what he did.
and your point is? [/b]
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Originally posted by brennser:
surprisingly, people have different priorities, who'd a thunk
if you want to debate other issues about how suburban sprawl is horrible and how it could be better, go ahead, but city vs. suburbs debate is not going anywhere
agree with you 100% pollard - what I object to is the inference that people who decide to subject themselves to life in the burbs are somehow more enlightened than those of us who coose to live in the city [/b]
And the city-slickers consider themselves ultra-cool-trendy-hipsters, when some are just transplanted boggers!
;)
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What I find laughable is how some people prioritize their lives based on how many bars and music venues are within walking distance of where they live. As if there aren't a million other things to do in the world. But I guess that's normal for 20-somethings.
Originally posted by brennser:
surprisingly, people have different priorities, who'd a thunk
if you want to debate other issues about how suburban sprawl is horrible and how it could be better, go ahead, but city vs. suburbs debate is not going anywhere
agree with you 100% pollard - what I object to is the inference that people who decide to subject themselves to life in the burbs are somehow more enlightened than those of us who coose to live in the city [/b]
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when some are just transplanted boggers!
ha ha, you got me there mank! brennser unmasked :D
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Thanks Kosmo. Udupi was the first place I went to when i moved here 6+ years ago. Wasn't crazy about it then, but maybe it deserves another shot. Mandalay sounds like something we should check out while we're up that way, too.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Hey Kosmo, know any good restuarants in the College Park area?
Of course I do... Mandalay is the best resturant, it has Burmese veggie fare. The other one that might interest you is Udupi Palace which is a Southern Indian Veggie only place. It's actually in Langley Park closer to Takoma Park. Franklin's in Hyattsville is better than most chain resturants. [/b]
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I've spent considerable time living in both the city and the burbs, although Arlington is the furthest I've ever been from downtown. Our kid (soon to be kids in about...oh any minute now...the wife is due tomorrow)is the deciding factor for us....for so many reasons.
Living in town does make it easier to get by without a car, but with kids it just gets trickier.
My wife and I talk about moving back to town when we retire for the convenience /walkability etc etc etc.
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
What I find laughable is how some people prioritize their lives based on how many bars and music venues are within walking distance of where they live. As if there aren't a million other things to do in the world. But I guess that's normal for 20-somethings.
Umm... gosh I don't get some folks. You know, there's a reason why it costs more to live in the city. You know what that reason is? It's because people WANT TO LIVE IN THE CITY... you know, supply and demand?
It's about culture, convenience, diversity. It's about sidewalks and bumping into people and shopping at nice stores and not driving everywhere and having corner stores. It's about not spending over a third of your income on transportation. It's about living near where you work.
DC's no Manhattan, but it's still a city. And the fact that my studio costs what your house cost doesn't matter to me-- it's proof in itself that we people who prefer the city are in the majority. We know a good thing when we see it.
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What I find laughable is how some people prioritize their lives based on how many bars and music venues are within walking distance of where they live. As if there aren't a million other things to do in the world. But I guess that's normal for 20-somethings.
yet again you outdo yourself O great myopic one
laugh away, but none of the reasons you cite are why I chose to live in the city
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Originally posted by chaz:
Living in town does make it easier to get by without a car, but with kids it just gets trickier.
My wife and I talk about moving back to town when we retire for the convenience /walkability etc etc etc.
Kids are a large part of the reason we're buggering off to Ireland...better education, safer environment etc etc...even if you don't live smack-dab in the middle of a city you can still walk to places, because just about every village has a high street with everything on it.
If I didn't have kids I would definately have lived in NY for a few years before heading home. DC is okay, but not a city I'm really interested in living in....and I can still be at the 930 in 20+- mins even living out in the burbs.
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Originally posted by chimblysweep:
-- it's proof in itself that we people who prefer the city are in the majority. [/b]
How many people live with in the city limits of DC as opposed to those living in the burbs?
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Kids are a large part of the reason we're buggering off to Ireland...better education, safer environment etc etc...even if you don't live smack-dab in the middle of a city you can still walk to places, because just about every village has a high street with everything on it.
mankie
you'll have to keep posting after you go back to ireland and let us know how you are getting on - I'm curious to see how what you experience will match your expectations
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Originally posted by brennser:
Kids are a large part of the reason we're buggering off to Ireland...better education, safer environment etc etc...even if you don't live smack-dab in the middle of a city you can still walk to places, because just about every village has a high street with everything on it.
mankie
you'll have to keep posting after you go back to ireland and let us know how you are getting on - I'm curious to see how what you experience will match your expectations [/b]
I'll be fine, just fine...check your pm.
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Those of us with modest incomes who want a modest sized, detached, single family home with a yard have no choice but to buy a house in the burbs as opposed to buying the same house in DC.
If you can afford a single family, detached home with a yard in the district, you've either got a damn good paying job, or a damn handy trust fund.
Well, yes, but I guess that's the point, isn't it. You have to make choices, which it sounds like you have. If you really want a house with a yard, then you can't afford DC. If you wanted a condo, then you could. What's the big deal there? Sounds like you made a decision that you are comfortable with.
And, why the odd obsession with personal finances?
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...because we're currently in the market to buy a home. Even with two incomes, it's tough.
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And, why the odd obsession with personal finances? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
...because we're currently in the market to buy a home. Even with two incomes, it's tough.
And, why the odd obsession with personal finances? [/QB][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
perhaps ggw could help you with a home loan, i'm sure his terms would be generous.
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And, why the odd obsession with personal finances?
yes I wondered that too, class warfare perhaps?
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Originally posted by keithstg:
And, why the odd obsession with personal finances? [/b]
Good question. Rhett was all over my jock yesterday about how I could afford my place in Arlington, accusing everyone of being 'rich' etc.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by keithstg:
And, why the odd obsession with personal finances? [/b]
Good question. Rhett was all over my jock yesterday about how I could afford my place in Arlington, accusing everyone of being 'rich' etc. [/b]
Yeah, it's a bit odd. I worry about my own personal finances, but since I own a condo in DC, at least I know I'll always have my damn well paying job and handy trust fund to fall back on. Sweet!
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So that's how you afford that condo! I knew you were one of those spoiled trust fund brats! I knew I knew it I knew it!
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by keithstg:
And, why the odd obsession with personal finances? [/b]
Good question. Rhett was all over my jock yesterday about how I could afford my place in Arlington, accusing everyone of being 'rich' etc. [/b]
Yeah, it's a bit odd. I worry about my own personal finances, but since I own a condo in DC, at least I know I'll always have my damn well paying job and handy trust fund to fall back on. Sweet! [/b]
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at least I know I'll always have my damn well paying job and handy trust fund to fall back on.
you have one too!! awesome - trust funds are SOOO cool aren't they?
maybe we can get together sometime and discuss preferred brokers and tax avoidance strategies? :p
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Here's one instance were city life beats the burbs hands down.
SIDEWALKS!
Why the hell can't they put sidewalks down in the burbs? I just walked to Wegmans for my Friday treat (too expensive for everyday) and had to walk in the road amongst VA drivers, which is not exaclty the safest thing to do....what's wrong with putting sidewalks down...and it's not just this area, it's the burbs in general.
1 up to the city!
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If you want diverstiy for the kids, move to Annandale. Annandales HS student population: 41% white, 25% Asian, 18% Hispanic, 16% African-American.
The reality of the DC area is, excluding a few upper crusty suburbs and far flung suburbs, the suburbs are where the ethnic diversity is at. DC is preodominately split between uppwardly mobile twentysomethings and much poorer minorites.
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
How much diversity is there if 85% of the kids are African-American, 14% Hispanic, and 1% Caucasian (made up numbers, but I can't believe it would be far from the truth)?...and 99% of the schools suck?
Um, I think you have a closed-minded view of DCPS. Remember, there are as many National Merit Scholars coming out of Wilson as there are coming out of Sidwell.
The one thing I haven't mentioned yet about this debate is air quality...
I'm an asthmatic and air pollution has a big effect on how long I live. There are hundreds of thousands of people like me in this region. The number one source of air pollution in our region is "non-point source pollution," i.e. cars and trucks. I personally view people who "choose" to live in the burbs and drive to work, when there are so many non-driving alternatives, as the reason I can't go jogging in August. And that sucks. [/b]
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Originally posted by mankie:
Here's one instance were city life beats the burbs hands down.
SIDEWALKS!
Why the hell can't they put sidewalks down in the burbs? ....what's wrong with putting sidewalks down...and it's not just this area, it's the burbs in general.
1 up to the city!
I've often wondered this myself. Everywhere else I have worked or lived have sidewalks on both sides of the neighborhood / road.
And what's up with people in VA not stopping at stop signs? I've seen people cruise right through a stop sign not evening looking to see if any traffic is coming their way.
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If you want diverstiy for the kids, move to Annandale.
then go there....the sooner the better
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Originally posted by brennser:
If you want diverstiy for the kids, move to Annandale.
then go there....the sooner the better [/b]
I think they have internet connections in Annandale these days so Rhett would still be with us.
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I think they have internet connections in Annandale these days so Rhett would still be with us.
I was hoping he'd find some annandale-related listserve and troll on that instead
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Nope, I have every right to express my opinions here as you do, and i aint going anywhere. In fact, I may come over to your house tonight and pee on your lawn. :D
Originally posted by brennser:
I think they have internet connections in Annandale these days so Rhett would still be with us.
I was hoping he'd find some annandale-related listserve and troll on that instead [/b]
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Nope, I have every right to express my opinions here as you do, and i aint going anywhere. In fact, I may come over to your house tonight and pee on your lawn. :D
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Originally posted by mankie:
Here's one instance were city life beats the burbs hands down.
SIDEWALKS!
Why the hell can't they put sidewalks down in the burbs?...and it's not just this area, it's the burbs in general.
some suburbs do have sidewalks...like in Springfield...and the suburb I grew up in in CHicago has sidewalks...I think the older ones do, but the newer or more far flung don't...I do share with your desire for sidewalks, though...that's why so many suburbanites are fat-asses...they don't walk anywhere
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Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
some suburbs do have sidewalks...like in Springfield...and the suburb I grew up in in CHicago has sidewalks...I think the older ones do, but the newer or more far flung don't...I do share with your desire for sidewalks, though...that's why so many suburbanites are fat-asses...they don't walk anywhere [/QB]
I thought it was all the super-sizing and the beef jerky.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
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I thought it was all the super-sizing and the beef jerky. [/QB][/QUOTE]
all contributing factors, yes
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In fact, I may come over to your house tonight and pee on your lawn.
be my guest, but I must warn you, the rottweilers haven't been fed for 3 days.....
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Originally posted by brennser:
In fact, I may come over to your house tonight and pee on your lawn.
be my guest, but I must warn you, the rottweilers haven't been fed for 3 days..... [/b]
I'm sure a vienna sausage isn't going to satisfy.
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My rent would be pretty much the same in either the suburbs or the city. If I lived in the suburbs there'd be additional transportation costs on top of my rent. It makes far more sense for me to live here in DC.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
My rent would be pretty much the same in either the suburbs or the city. If I lived in the suburbs there'd be additional transportation costs on top of my rent. It makes far more sense for me to live here in DC.
Oh you're just a tenant, your opinion means nothing.
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True enough. Someday though I'll make the big leap and buy the house of my dreams!
Originally posted by mankie:
Oh you're just a tenant, your opinion means nothing.
;)