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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: redsock on November 12, 2004, 03:57:00 pm
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http://www.dceiver.blogspot.com (http://www.dceiver.blogspot.com)
Rhett seriously, is this you? All that bile and hate...gotta be.
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Sorry, not me. I waste too much work time on two chatboards already. Away from work, I hardly ever go near a computer these days.
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Bile? Hate? I have nothing but the applesauce of human kindness in my heart.
LOVE-TheDCeiver
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I thought we determined that Rhett was this guy (http://whyihatedc.blogspot.com/)?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I thought we determined that Rhett was this guy (http://whyihatedc.blogspot.com/)?
Good point...spewing bile and hate at things
un-music related as well.
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Not to defend Mr. DC-eiver, but you have to admit he does make one good point.
Many of your writers are doing reviews of their favorite bands.
Pollard - GBV
Grotty - DBT, Twilight Singers
Thirsty - TV on the Radio
NKOTB - The Apes
Sonickteam - Muse
Wouldn't it be better to give these reviews to people who aren't predisposed to like the album?
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I dunno about all that, today there was positive stuff about full minute of mercury and art-o-matic and I'm pretty sure the Deceiver is on the record as an Exit Clov fan. Just saying...
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Not to defend Mr. DC-eiver, but you have to admit he does make one good point.
Many of your writers are doing reviews of their favorite bands.
Pollard - GBV
Grotty - DBT, Twilight Singers
Thirsty - TV on the Radio
NKOTB - The Apes
Sonickteam - Muse
Wouldn't it be better to give these reviews to people who aren't predisposed to like the album?
It's interesting, no one wants to read an Old 97's review by someone who doesn't listen to or like alt-country, but at the same time, no one wants to read a review by someone who is a fan of the band. So who should write the review? This is an honest question...
I feel it is more important to be knowledgeable, and if that means they are a fan, so be it. I'm sure Pollard thinks some GBV albums are pretty sub-par. I had no idea at the time Thirsty liked TV on the Radio. This is a VERY time consuming game. When you have a staff as large as us, which we have in order to cover the volume of Cds we like to include, it is virtually impossible to be completely sure about folk's likes and dislikes.
We are less than one year old... and are still growing and learning. When one of you takes the time and money out of your life to run a site like this, let's talk. Until then, by all means criticize or praise us, I don't give a fuck. But don't for a second think you know any better than us.
I have felt there are some valid points about BY hidden in some of these blogs, but if you really want to be helpful, why not just write us a note? Or ask us why we do certain things. I personally prefer that over semi-anonymous blogging or chatboards. But I guess then you lose all the sensationalism... no fun there right?
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Here's one for ya. I hadn't heard TV on the Radio until I reviewed it. Then they became a favorite of mine.
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But in a way they're (at least the Deceiver from what I read) pretty much critiquing your site just like your reviewers are critiquing records. No? Would you send a private email or phone call to an artist who you thought put out a crappy record or give it a review and post up your thoughts? Not saying you shouldn't get pissed at the negative stuff, that's only human, but I think that's part of the game just like making music when you engage in a public endeavor.
If you think I'm totally off-base here that's cool, would like to hear your opinion.
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Originally posted by redsock:
It's interesting, no one wants to read an Old 97's review by someone who doesn't listen to or like alt-country, but at the same time, no one wants to read a review by someone who is a fan of the band. So who should write the review? This is an honest question...
I would trust an Old-97s review written by Pollard, Grotty, NKOTB or Thirsty over one written by Rhett any day of the week. I think all those guys are knowledgable about a broad range of music and would give a balanced opinion.
The GBV album may be very good, but I also know that a guy who refers to himself as "Pollard" on an internet message board may not provide the most objective opinion on that album.
Originally posted by redsock:
We are less than one year old... and are still growing and learning. When one of you takes the time and money out of your life to run a site like this, let's talk. Until then, by all means criticize or praise us, I don't give a fuck. But don't for a second think you know any better than us.
OK.
Never mind.
Carry on.
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Exactly why I turned down reviewing the latest New Kids disc.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The GBV album may be very good, but I also know that a guy who refers to himself as "Pollard" on an internet message board may not provide the most objective opinion on that album.
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Critiquing the critics! DCeiver's the muthaf'n watchdog of the dawgs....
Originally posted by the Pharmacist:
But in a way they're (at least the Deceiver from what I read) pretty much critiquing your site just like your reviewers are critiquing records. No?
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Yawnie, by all means, grow, learn. Have a review staff twice the size of the Pazz and Jop poll. Start the People's Republic of Big Yawn. Be the site every two bit with a vibrophone and a dream can get a good review on. Whatever you want.
But as far as "don't think for a minute that I know better"--it doesn't take me that long a period of thinking to know I know better.
anyway, total hearts and lovemaking be yours, just be sure to remind us that U2 has a new album coming out, because, you know, a rock could fall on our head and we could forget--TheDCeiver
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Originally posted by econo:
Here's one for ya. I hadn't heard TV on the Radio until I reviewed it. Then they became a favorite of mine.
If so, then I apologize for including you on my "most wanted" list.
I recall you talking them up pretty early in the game and didn't think the reviews appeared until later.
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Here's one for ya.
The new Old 97's record will barely make my top 10 for the year.
Albums that will be ahead of it include albums that could fall into the genre categories of country, jazz, rock, and folk...probably a much more diverse array of music than the latest news on Fiona Apple and the other narrow breadth of music that is covered by Big Yawn.
And don't worry. Other than the Drive By Truckers, your taste pretty much sucks.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by redsock:
It's interesting, no one wants to read an Old 97's review by someone who doesn't listen to or like alt-country, but at the same time, no one wants to read a review by someone who is a fan of the band. So who should write the review? This is an honest question...
I would trust an Old-97s review written by Pollard, Grotty, NKOTB or Thirsty over one written by Rhett any day of the week. I think all those guys are knowledgable about a broad range of music and would give a balanced opinion.
The GBV album may be very good, but I also know that a guy who refers to himself as "Pollard" on an internet message board may not provide the most objective opinion on that album.
Originally posted by redsock:
We are less than one year old... and are still growing and learning. When one of you takes the time and money out of your life to run a site like this, let's talk. Until then, by all means criticize or praise us, I don't give a fuck. But don't for a second think you know any better than us.
OK.
Never mind.
Carry on. [/b]
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Hey, while you're at it... I think I can find most of the stuff you write about here (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com).
Let the trash talking commence!
Originally posted by Fabby:
Yawnie, by all means, grow, learn.
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I was talking about the EP, but then I remembered I also reviewed their full length. So you are correct.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I recall you talking them up pretty early in the game and didn't think the reviews appeared until later.
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Just to show I'm not exclusively picking on BigYawn....where does a guy whose blog is pink and twelve shades of gray get off criticizing another site's layout?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The GBV album may be very good, but I also know that a guy who refers to himself as "Pollard" on an internet message board may not provide the most objective opinion on that album.
I don't know what you are talking about, it is a Greatest Hits disc by the greatest band ever. Is there really any point being objective, I mean, those are facts.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Just to show I'm not exclusively picking on BigYawn....where does a guy whose blog is pink and twelve shades of gray get off criticizing another site's layout?
plus, its a blogspot blog, weaaaaaaaaaaaaak
learn some programming!
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Originally posted by pollard:
I don't know what you are talking about, it is a Greatest Hits disc by the greatest band ever. Is there really any point being objective, I mean, those are facts.
You showed admirable restraint and critical impartiality in not rewarding it the 11.0 Zs it heartily deserved.
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"Pick the four people who have the nastiest and most opinionated perspectives who can also deliver the column inches."
I disagree. Don't we have enough crankiness in this town? Really. Also, creatively sarcastic or commentary is cool, but I don't need someone's ego to sound "hip" to overshadow a review.
"Thirty-two writers?"
Not all live in this area. Not all contribute daily. Therefore, it helps to have an overage of writers for, well, the situations that incur w/ a publication (writers who have other jobs and deadlines, procrastinators, etc.).
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Just to show I'm not exclusively picking on BigYawn....where does a guy whose blog is pink and twelve shades of gray get off criticizing another site's layout?
LOL I was reading the page at work hoping it looked like "work" - the pink didn't fly...
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Heck, Big Yawn, issa free cuntry. Have 32 reviewers to water everything down with. And, yeah, bring in every out-of-towner you can lay hands on. That'll help the local music scene.
Above all, I look forward to your ego-free stance on reviewing! Because the best rock critics TOTALLY check their ego at the door! The next time I bump into Greil Marcus, I'll dump a bucket of calves blood over his head and call him a fascist!
Viva la bland.
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I promised myself I wouldn't indulge in this crap... I made the mistake of ranting a tad earlier and shouldn't have. It's a waste of my time, and won't happen again.
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Originally posted by Fabby:
That'll help the local music scene.
Above all, I look forward to your ego-free stance on reviewing!
I didn't say the out of towners are focusing on local scene. Somebody should though.
The ego-free stance opinion is my own. I tend to get tired of jerky sarcasm. Creative sarcasm is more my flavor. Some of the opinions in your blog are different from mine, I do think it was creative and well-written.
Viva 32 flavors.
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Maybe BigYawn could do an incisive weekly feature on West Wing.
1.During the scene where CJ scolded Josh for eating too many donuts, didn't you expect the NBC star and rainbow to come flying by with the words "The More You Know" underneath?
2.With regard to Toby and Josh and their various conversations about who should do Leo's job, couldn't you lick the passive aggression right off the screen.
3.Abigail Bartlet was full of comfort for her husband, insisting that he not take the blame for Leo's heart attack. At some point, didn't you expect him to snap back, "Where was all this reasoned understanding when our daughter was kidnapped, you crazy inconsistent bitch?"
4.In what way are the perpetual announcements for Jimmy Smits arrival at the end of every episode like dating a Mormon girl?
5.Don't you miss the early seasons of this show, when it was a refuge from the Bush administration? It's going to be a long four years.
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I think Fabu was attempting a Jump the Shark entry.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Maybe BigYawn could do an incisive weekly feature on West Wing.
If I had the keys to the Big Yawn Writer's Sweatshop, they would.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
a guy whose blog is pink and twelve shades of gray
Oooh, maybe he's a Vassar alum. School colors are rose and gray. Rose being pink. It has something to do with the rose-colored beams of knowledge peaking through the gray sky....
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I hate to keep jumping up and down on Big Yawn's head, but while I was attending the baptism of a buddy's daughter the other day, it was pointed out to me by a tipster that one of Big Yawn's problems is, like, they are a fucking army of rock critics.
Hey, if you ask me, this is pretty bitchin' feedback, hearing that BY is talked about even at baptisms.
Yeah, too bad there aren't more "professional" critics on BY's staff like those 15 folks DCeiver knows, cuz it's so hard to find rock criticism or reviews anywhere....
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Originally posted by Bags:
Hey, if you ask me, this is pretty bitchin' feedback, hearing that BY is talked about even at baptisms.
It sounds good until you realize that baptisms are the only places anyone is talking about you.
again, in all seriousness, BY, total hearts and hot sex be yours. see you at the FMhg show.
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Originally posted by redsock:
http://www.dceiver.blogspot.com (http://www.dceiver.blogspot.com)
Rhett seriously, is this you? All that bile and hate...gotta be.
Rhett is a busy professional, who's in a graduate program in addition to working full time. Plus, I keep him busy with chores around the house and other duties, including keeping me happy, which is an endless job....he has no time to maintain a blog!
(Besides...remember when we had to explain to him who Washingtonienne was?)
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I know Rhett is not the DCeiver. It was sarcasm, mixed with an example of current events going on elsewhere.