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Title: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: K8teebug on May 22, 2006, 02:09:00 pm
"Get In On It"
 
 Almost as bad as the Greatest City in America.
 
 I'm from Baltimore and I just wish they'd come up with something that people won't make fun of all the time.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 22, 2006, 02:10:00 pm
arent city slogans always lame?
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: ggw on May 22, 2006, 02:11:00 pm
I guess 'Smacktown, USA' was already taken?
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 22, 2006, 02:13:00 pm
wasnt DC's
 
 "The American Experience" or something stupid like that?
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on May 22, 2006, 02:15:00 pm
I've always thought it was "Dork City" or "Dweeb City".
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by the sonick:
  wasnt DC's
 
 "The American Experience" or something stupid like that?
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: ggw on May 22, 2006, 02:16:00 pm
<img src="http://www.ball-wonk.com/archives/ChocolateCity.gif" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: andyrichter on May 22, 2006, 02:45:00 pm
I always liked "Baltimore: The City that reads"
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: eltee on May 22, 2006, 02:58:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by K8teebug:
  "Get In On It"
 
Sure that's a city slogan and not an advertising slogan?
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: ggw on May 22, 2006, 03:06:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by K8teebug:
  "Get In On It"
 
Filmmaker John Waters said, "It's not catchy. I keep having to ask what it is again because I forget. That's OK. I don't hate it.
 
 "I get what they're saying," Waters said. "What they're saying is, come celebrate real estate porn. You know, when people talk about how much their house cost at parties."

 
 http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.slogan20may20,0,7212513.story?track=rss (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.slogan20may20,0,7212513.story?track=rss)
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on May 22, 2006, 03:27:00 pm
I'll bet Waters' house cost more than the house of anyone who posts on this board.
 
 
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   
Quote
Originally posted by K8teebug:
  "Get In On It"
 
Filmmaker John Waters said, "It's not catchy. I keep having to ask what it is again because I forget. That's OK. I don't hate it.
 
 "I get what they're saying," Waters said. "What they're saying is, come celebrate real estate porn. You know, when people talk about how much their house cost at parties."

 
  http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.slogan20may20,0,7212513.story?track=rss (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.slogan20may20,0,7212513.story?track=rss) [/b]
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 22, 2006, 03:46:00 pm
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Originally posted by Tee:
   
Quote
Originally posted by K8teebug:
  "Get In On It"
 
Sure that's a city slogan and not an advertising slogan? [/b]
thats what it made me think of.  
 
   but i cant laugh, i "got in on it!" lol.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: vansmack on May 22, 2006, 04:13:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  I guess 'Smacktown, USA' was already taken?
They couldn't afford it - I wasn't giving it up on the cheap.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: walkonby on May 22, 2006, 05:56:00 pm
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Originally posted by Chaz Nakatestes, Breaststroking Guy:
  I'll bet Waters' house cost more than the house of anyone who posts on this board.
 
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   
Quote
Originally posted by K8teebug:
  "Get In On It"
 
Filmmaker John Waters said, "It's not catchy. I keep having to ask what it is again because I forget. That's OK. I don't hate it.
 
 "I get what they're saying," Waters said. "What they're saying is, come celebrate real estate porn. You know, when people talk about how much their house cost at parties."

 
   http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.slogan20may20,0,7212513.story?track=rss (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.slogan20may20,0,7212513.story?track=rss)  [/b]
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you never know . . . and waters doesn't go around talking about it at parties.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: ChampionshipVinyl on May 22, 2006, 06:02:00 pm
It is really eay to say "Baltimore - Get It On!" as opposed to saying "Baltimore - Get In On It."
 I could live with that as a slogan.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on May 22, 2006, 08:47:00 pm
I know what neighborhood he lives in, and it's definitely way more exclusive than my neighborhood.
 
 
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Originally posted by walkonby:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Chaz Nakatestes, Breaststroking Guy:
  I'll bet Waters' house cost more than the house of anyone who posts on this board.
 
   
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
     
Quote
Originally posted by K8teebug:
  "Get In On It"
 
Filmmaker John Waters said, "It's not catchy. I keep having to ask what it is again because I forget. That's OK. I don't hate it.
 
 "I get what they're saying," Waters said. "What they're saying is, come celebrate real estate porn. You know, when people talk about how much their house cost at parties."

 
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.slogan20may20,0,7212513.story?track=rss (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.slogan20may20,0,7212513.story?track=rss)   [/b]
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you never know . . . and waters doesn't go around talking about it at parties. [/b]
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Frank Gallagher on May 23, 2006, 02:58:00 am
Taking into consideration there are more Irish living outside the country than in it....the new tourism campaign is.......
 
 ....."Come to Ireland, there's not many of us left here"......
 
 I'd say it should be.
 
 "HOW MUCH?!!! FUCKSAKE"
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Got Haggis? on May 23, 2006, 09:31:00 am
The city that breeds
 
 Get it on
 
 hmmmm, and you wonder why we are the std capital of the us
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Bags on May 23, 2006, 10:50:00 am
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   <img src="http://www.ball-wonk.com/archives/ChocolateCity.gif" alt=" - " />
I can't remember where I heard this, maybe Bill Mahr, but this captures it perfectly (and goes something like this):
 
 DC, the Mallomar City.  Chocolate on the outside protecting an all white center.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 23, 2006, 11:01:00 am
i see the "edgy" angle on the slogan, but it just doesn't roll off the tongue easily... maybe it works better in print... will be interesting to see how it gets re-adapted like the Believe slogan
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on May 23, 2006, 11:03:00 am
Are you referring to the black cops who protect the white collar people from all of the black criminals?
 
 
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Originally posted by Bags:
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
    <img src="http://www.ball-wonk.com/archives/ChocolateCity.gif" alt=" - " />
I can't remember where I heard this, maybe Bill Mahr, but this captures it perfectly (and goes something like this):
 
 DC, the Mallomar City.  Chocolate on the outside protecting an all white center. [/b]
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Bags on May 23, 2006, 11:06:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Chaz Nakatestes, Breaststroking Guy:
  Are you referring to the black cops who protect the white collar people from all of the black criminals?
To me it referred more to the particularly segregated state of DC neighborhoods.  But hey, not my slogan.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Venerable Bede on May 23, 2006, 12:32:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Bags:
  I can't remember where I heard this, maybe Bill Mahr, but this captures it perfectly (and goes something like this):
 
 DC, the Mallomar City.  Chocolate on the outside protecting an all white center.
it was colbert at the correspondent's dinner a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: eltee on May 23, 2006, 01:20:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  i see the "edgy" angle on the slogan, but it just doesn't roll off the tongue easily...
Why does it seem similar to "Hit That?"
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Dr. Anton Phibes on May 23, 2006, 01:36:00 pm
"Visit Pigtown,we know you'll want to stay"!
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 23, 2006, 01:50:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Jonas Sulk:
  "Visit Pigtown,we know you'll want to stay"!
+
 
 you have a problem with Pigtown?? bitch?
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Frank Gallagher on May 25, 2006, 02:32:00 am
How 'bout,
 
 
 Come visit us before this football team fucks off too!
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 25, 2006, 10:34:00 am
a few others i got in an email yesterday.
 
 
 - Come for the crabs, stay for the herpes!
 
 - The lap dance capital of the East Coast.
 
 - Don't you wish your Harbor was a freak like ours.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: nanj on May 25, 2006, 11:42:00 am
Get In On What?
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 25, 2006, 06:45:00 pm
the slogan gets worse... checkout the LAME tv spot for it
 
 http://www.areyouinonit.com/thecampaign.php (http://www.areyouinonit.com/thecampaign.php)
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Jaguar on May 25, 2006, 08:57:00 pm
This is the absolute most stupid slogan of any kind that I have ever seen anywhere! John Waters might not hate it but I do! Leave it to Baltimore to fork out a bundle for pure crap. They could have paid me half as much to come up with something just as bad and maybe even better. Damn!
 
 Baltimore: The city that I'm embarrassed to call home.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Jaguar on May 25, 2006, 09:39:00 pm
Here's what the locals think:
 (I particularly like "you'll get a BANG out of Baltimore". Now that is worth $500,000!      :D )    
 
 __________________
 
 Do you think the new slogan is worth $500,000?
 
 3% Yes  
 97% No
 
 
 No. I've seen other states' commercials, and ours looks and sounds cheesy. It makes us look kind of goofy, and the slogan kind of leads to innuendo.
   - Adiena B. / Baltimore, MD
 
 No. I'm not even sure that the slogan isn't a tongue twister. Why not something simple like, "Baltimore:Live"? It is simple and doesn't have any sexual undertones like the new slogan can give the impression of.
   - Ashley E. / Baltimore, MD
 
 No. I can't believe they wasted that amount of money for a slogan that doesn't sing! The people of Baltimore should have been asked to submit their ideas. I know they could have come up with something everyone would understand, for alot less money. What a waste. I saw the comerical on the news and that alone would make me not want to come to Baltimore. What a waste of money.
   - Bill V. / Jarrettsville, MD
 
 No. Get in on it.. Get in on what? Drugs?, Murder?, STD's?, one of the worst school systems in the county? .... Good thing it's an election year! Time to sent em packing...
   - Brian S. / Baltimore, MD
 
 No. What a joke. I've written better captions for my bulletin boards at school.
   - Damian S. / Baltimore, MD
 
 No. Get it on , wait thats not it. Get it on it, no thats not it. But what does it mean? The same as is? Get in on it, getting lost and being told to find your way out, you got here , so!! How about "The Monumental City" ? That is free, since the city was once called that years ago. Oh well it's only money. Lets see school system, fire department, police, pot holes and on and on and on. What would $500,000 do for any or all of these agencies? The city should "get in on it", being smarter in how it operates and manages its day to day functions.
   - Dan D. / Catonsville, MD
 
 No. How about "you'll get a BANG out of Baltimore"
   - Dick F. / Gwynn oak, MD
 
 No. "Get it on" would make better sense than "Get in on it."
   - Donna D. / Columbia, MD
 
 No. it's not for the people of baltimore anyway. if it was the slogan would read. (come get high and die in baltimore)
   - Elizabeth S. / Baltimore, MD
 
 No. Instead of Get In On It, maybe the slogan should be Our Mayor spent half a million dollars and all I got was a stupid slogan!
   - Greg W. / Port tobacco, MD
 
 No. I'd give it 50 bucks, since in many ways it suggests the baltimore block scene. That line is typically expected from a Ron Jeremy 1980's porn flick, which is quite fine in it's own domain, but not as a city slogan. Ever, forever and ever, sinking to yet another new low. Swell. The city that bleeds or harm city is a better slogan.
   - Jim R. / Timonium, MD
 
 No. Unless I was a part of the Hip-Hop community crap, I would not even consider Baltimore due to this slogan and the advertising I have seen so far. This type of advertising will alienate most white folks from visiting....Sorry ad agency, and the people in the city that authorized and spent the $500,000.
   - John B. / Westminster, MD
 
 No. Councilwoman Spector is right. Get in on what? Drug dealing? Murder for hire? Carjacking? These seem to be the growing businesses in Baltimore these days.
   - John G. / Street, MD
 
 No. This is just another waste of taxpayer money. I would like to know why the money was spent out of state? Are you trying to tell me that there is no one in the state of Md who could of come up with a slogan. "Get in on it" and get rid of O"Malley. Dumb slogan - waste of $500,000 dollars
   - John W. / Glenburnie, MD
 
 No. Are you kidding me? get in on what - the high crime, poor educational system, police corruption, or abandoned buildings? this city needs to "get in on" reality. stop spending precious $$$ on non-sensical slogans. as a resident, i don't "believe" the city is "charming" and there appears to be little "reading" going on. try investing more in poor residents than luring rich visitors.
   - Kim H. / Baltimore, MD
 
 No. No. What are they trying to say? Get in on it Be a murderer or Be murdered. We loved to come down to the inner harbor on Saturday night but now I am scared to to that any more.
   - Lee C. / Reisterstown, MD
 
 No. Baltimore City students could have enter the slogan contest and win a prize. I am sure their slogan would be better than "Get in on it". Get in on what? Crazy
   - Marie K. / Columbia, MD
 
 No. ANOTHER CASE OF THE WASTEFUL O'MALLEY ADMINSTRATION. IN A TIME WERE THE MURDER RATE IS UP FROM LAST YEAR, SCHOOLS GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN, DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING AND THE CITY HASN'T GIVEN IT'S EMPLOYEES A RAISE IN SEVERAL YEARS.
   - Mark O. / Annapolis, MA
 
 No. We are NONE of the past slogans. Baltimore is a violent city that tourists shouldn't even bother coming to visit. The Inner Harbor is not worth the gas money and I'm looking forward to moving to a community where houses are affordable in neighborhoods where I'm not afraid to get killed for looking at someone the wrong way!
   - Sheri G. / Baltimore, MD
 
 No. "Get in on it?" What, the rampant crime and government mismanagement? Is the ad firm providing donations (kickbacks) to Marty O'Moron's campaign? This is a bigger waste of money than those inane BELIEVE bumper stickers.
   - Thomas K. / Hampstead, MD
 _________
 
 My note: There were no 'Yes' comments.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: kosmo vinyl on May 26, 2006, 08:27:00 am
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  the slogan gets worse... checkout the LAME tv spot for it
 
  http://www.areyouinonit.com/thecampaign.php (http://www.areyouinonit.com/thecampaign.php)
The ad isn't even that orginial, it's exactly like those ads where they have people singing along to oldies and offkey at that...
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Got Haggis? on May 26, 2006, 09:00:00 am
i love living in the city...sounds like most of those people are pretty racist.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 26, 2006, 09:04:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Jaguar:
  Here's what the locals think:
 (I particularly like "you'll get a BANG out of Baltimore". Now that is worth $500,000!       :)
 
   there is a LOT happening in Baltimore and quickly....so they want people to "get in on it"
 
   is it that far off base?  i dont think so. its a city slogan not a rock band name.  
 
    thanks for reading, lol.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 26, 2006, 09:08:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Got Haggis?:
  i love living in the city...sounds like most of those people are pretty racist.
definitely. has anyone ever been to hampstead md? that last comment? i have been there, and i actually got KKK literature there, like 5 years ago!!!!
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on May 26, 2006, 09:18:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by the sonick:
  2. half of those people who were quoted in Jags article dont even LIVE in baltimore city. Fuck them, whats Jarrettsville's slogan? "Yee Haw"? and Columbia??? please.
exactly ... these are the same kind of people who live in some horrible cookie-cutter planned community in spotsylvania county VA who abuse prescription drugs to escape the monotony of their lives, have kids (currently smoking weed on the side of their house) who drive drunk every weekend, and ask you how ON EARTH you could venture down to the 930 Club with all the crime and drugs in that neighborhood
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 26, 2006, 09:20:00 am
lets really look at these quotes, here are some of the best ones, since obviously this article didnt take the time to post the "yes" answers, i'll leave the best ones.
 
 No. Get in on it.. Get in on what? Drugs?, Murder?, STD's?, one of the worst school systems in the county? .... Good thing it's an election year! Time to sent em packing...
   - Brian S. / Baltimore, MD
 
 
  ---sent em packing? this guy must have been in that worst school system
 
 
 No. I'd give it 50 bucks, since in many ways it suggests the baltimore block scene. That line is typically expected from a Ron Jeremy 1980's porn flick, which is quite fine in it's own domain, but not as a city slogan. Ever, forever and ever, sinking to yet another new low. Swell. The city that bleeds or harm city is a better slogan.
   - Jim R. / Timonium, MD
 
 
  what???  ramble much?
 
 No. Unless I was a part of the Hip-Hop community crap, I would not even consider Baltimore due to this slogan and the advertising I have seen so far. This type of advertising will alienate most white folks from visiting....Sorry ad agency, and the people in the city that authorized and spent the $500,000.
   - John B. / Westminster, MD
 
 
  this has to be the best one!!!!
 
 No. Councilwoman Spector is right. Get in on what? Drug dealing? Murder for hire? Carjacking? These seem to be the growing businesses in Baltimore these days.
   - John G. / Street, MD
 
   the last time this person was in baltimore was 1998
 
 No. This is just another waste of taxpayer money. I would like to know why the money was spent out of state? Are you trying to tell me that there is no one in the state of Md who could of come up with a slogan. "Get in on it" and get rid of O"Malley. Dumb slogan - waste of $500,000 dollars
   - John W. / Glenburnie, MD
 
 
  no, there are no ad agencies in Baltimore....my girlfriends been trying to find one for years!!! thanks mr. glen burnie.
 
 No. Are you kidding me? get in on what - the high crime, poor educational system, police corruption, or abandoned buildings? this city needs to "get in on" reality. stop spending precious $$$ on non-sensical slogans. as a resident, i don't "believe" the city is "charming" and there appears to be little "reading" going on. try investing more in poor residents than luring rich visitors.
   - Kim H. / Baltimore, MD
 
  then get out. why does Kim even live here?????
 
 No. No. What are they trying to say? Get in on it Be a murderer or Be murdered. We loved to come down to the inner harbor on Saturday night but now I am scared to to that any more.
   - Lee C. / Reisterstown, MD
 
  really? the harbor has gotten more dangerous????   thats just ridiculous!!!  what the hell.
 
 No. Baltimore City students could have enter the slogan contest and win a prize. I am sure their slogan would be better than "Get in on it". Get in on what? Crazy
   - Marie K. / Columbia, MD
 
   actually probably not.  
 
 No. ANOTHER CASE OF THE WASTEFUL O'MALLEY ADMINSTRATION. IN A TIME WERE THE MURDER RATE IS UP FROM LAST YEAR, SCHOOLS GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN, DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING AND THE CITY HASN'T GIVEN IT'S EMPLOYEES A RAISE IN SEVERAL YEARS.
   - Mark O. / Annapolis, MA
 
 
  was this person yelling? and is annapolis really in Massachusetts?
 
 
 No. We are NONE of the past slogans. Baltimore is a violent city that tourists shouldn't even bother coming to visit. The Inner Harbor is not worth the gas money and I'm looking forward to moving to a community where houses are affordable in neighborhoods where I'm not afraid to get killed for looking at someone the wrong way!
   - Sheri G. / Baltimore, MD
 
  i'll help you pack!!!!!!!
 
 No. "Get in on it?" What, the rampant crime and government mismanagement? Is the ad firm providing donations (kickbacks) to Marty O'Moron's campaign? This is a bigger waste of money than those inane BELIEVE bumper stickers.
   - Thomas K. / Hampstead, MD
 
      yeah, i got mugged twice yesterday and once already this morning!!!
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on May 26, 2006, 09:20:00 am
What's wrong with abusing drugs? Isn't that still the rock and roll thing to do?
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
   
Quote
Originally posted by the sonick:
  2. half of those people who were quoted in Jags article dont even LIVE in baltimore city. Fuck them, whats Jarrettsville's slogan? "Yee Haw"? and Columbia??? please.
exactly ... these are the same kind of people who live in some horrible cookie-cutter planned community in spotsylvania county VA who abuse prescription drugs to escape the monotony of their lives, have kids (currently smoking weed on the side of their house) who drive drunk every weekend, and ask you how ON EARTH you could venture down to the 930 Club with all the crime and drugs in that neighborhood [/b]
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on May 26, 2006, 09:30:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Chaz Nakatestes, Breaststroking Guy:
  What's wrong with abusing drugs? Isn't that still the rock and roll thing to do?
just venting my frustration about unbelievably stupid comments like this:
 
 No. Unless I was a part of the Hip-Hop community crap, I would not even consider Baltimore due to this slogan and the advertising I have seen so far. This type of advertising will alienate most white folks from visiting....Sorry ad agency, and the people in the city that authorized and spent the $500,000.
 - John B. / Westminster, MD
 
 and you know all these comments aren't just the crazy ones, i'm sure they're not far off from what the rest of suburban baltimore was thinking about this
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: ggw on May 26, 2006, 09:38:00 am
I love that you counter stereotyping with stereotyping.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
  exactly ... these are the same kind of people who live in some horrible cookie-cutter planned community in spotsylvania county VA who abuse prescription drugs to escape the monotony of their lives, have kids (currently smoking weed on the side of their house) who drive drunk every weekend, and ask you how ON EARTH you could venture down to the 930 Club with all the crime and drugs in that neighborhood
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: sonickteam2 on May 26, 2006, 09:38:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
 
 and you know all these comments aren't just the crazy ones, i'm sure they're not far off from what the rest of suburban baltimore was thinking about this
you're exactly right
 
  suburban baltimore is having a backlash against the city because all of the gentrification and rehabbing of the city is causing the city to spread outwards and more and more of the "hip hop community" is moving to places like Glen Burnie, catonsville and rosedale.
Title: Re: Baltimore's New Slogan
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on May 26, 2006, 09:45:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  I love that you counter stereotyping with stereotyping.
but it's INFORMED stereotyping!