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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: organizedconfusion on February 16, 2006, 01:00:00 am
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A few years ago, it was rare that some of these bands would sell out. (Deftones, ween, rjd2 just a few examples)Is it an overpopulation issue? is 930 getting smaller? I might have to find another venue with kickass sound. man, and I always bring a party to 930. Oh well, just wondering if anyone else has noticed in the past few years.
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depends on what you're into. most of the shit i see and book at the warehouse and dc9 doesn't sell out. then again, most people despise the stuff i'm into!
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rjd2 did not sell out fast. tickets were on sale for quite a while.
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It's the Ipod/Itunes/myspace generation. It's the culture we live in now!
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Originally posted by organizedconfusion:
A few years ago, it was rare that some of these bands would sell out. (Deftones, ween, rjd2 just a few examples)Is it an overpopulation issue? is 930 getting smaller? I might have to find another venue with kickass sound. man, and I always bring a party to 930. Oh well, just wondering if anyone else has noticed in the past few years.
YES, of course. it's always hard for me to say. i mean, bands that i am into that i don't really know anyone else who is into will sometimes (a lot, lately, actually) sell out the shows in the area and i will just feel like... what?
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<sarcasm>
Finally all those years spent praticing on Duck Hunt will payoff! I wonder who they'll issue hunting permits for first. Certainly hope it's for Hummer Owners, their a segment of the population thats doing little to advance our society. In fact their all addicted to oil anyways.
I also blame in the following order DCist, NME, The OC, Pitchfork, Street Teamers, the rising cost of blow and hoes, and stockholders.
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On my way to work in Baltimore, I always pass a parked yellow hummer that has bio written in front of diesel. I've always wondered if it is really full of biodiesel or if the owner just put that on there to make himself feel better.
i own a VW golf diesel, thinking about brewing my own bio diesel.
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Originally posted by organizedconfusion:
A few years ago, it was rare that some of these bands would sell out. (Deftones, ween, rjd2 just a few examples)Is it an overpopulation issue? is 930 getting smaller? I might have to find another venue with kickass sound. man, and I always bring a party to 930. Oh well, just wondering if anyone else has noticed in the past few years.
Wait what? Deftones sold out rather quickly the last time they played the club for their guerilla style tour dates before Summer Sanitarium. So maybe it sounds like you were able to get the tickets then, but not for this show next month and are a little upset about it. Maybe on the Warped Tour in 98 the Deftones didn't sell out, but I think you're talking about club shows ;)
Perhaps it's time to accept the fact that you're getting older, the bands you like are getting more and more popular and the kids that like them are getting younger and younger. Guess it's time to pull the "I only like that band before they got all popular and I only like their older stuff" act.
The club hasn't shrunk. If you think you can find a better venue directly in DC that's at least the size of 930 Club,has at least the same quality of sound, and books the same quality acts, please let me know. While I haven't been looking for over the last 15 years in the city for such a venue I guess there's a reason why I keep ended up back at the 930 Club...and it's not for the $6 Yuenglings lol
I always bring a party to the 930 Club too but usually it's in my pants!
MindCage
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Haven't you heard? Indie is the new mainstream. :)
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so is underground then the new indie? if so whats takes the place of the underground...
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Originally posted by ayates:
rjd2 did not sell out fast. tickets were on sale for quite a while.
rj did sell out a couple nights before the show, which was a huge change from last time he came to dc at the blackcat where i bought tickets at the door night of show.
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I think a lot of non-scenesters (i.e. people who talk through an entire show, or get on their cell phones and babbly away) just like to go to the 9:30 Club because they think it's the hip thing to do.
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The internet has definitely made it easier for a wider audience to learn about the obscure world that used to be indie. If we are feeling benevolent, we should be happy that mass tastes in pop music have been elevated ever so slightly, and that our favorite artists receive more acclaim than they might once have had.
On the other hand, our inner elitists are chagrined, and it is more likely that we'll have to compete for tickets and cram in with sell-out crowds.
The reality is, though, that the days when a typical 9:30 Club audience might consist of music echoing across a largely empty room, a spike-haired alcoholic slumped over the back bar, 10-15 die hard fans, plus a Marine or two strayed from Georgetown and looking to pick up punk girls or slam dance, are probably gone for good.
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nope, they come to hear the great DJs :D
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
I think a lot of non-scenesters (i.e. people who talk through an entire show, or get on their cell phones and babbly away) just like to go to the 9:30 Club because they think it's the hip thing to do.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
so is underground then the new indie? if so whats takes the place of the underground...
Saucepans and washboards
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I'd have to agree with dr. doom. I've been going to shows in the area for roughly 10 years, and it used to be that you had to regularly attend shows at the black cat or the 9:30 to know who was playing, or check the listings in the city paper to be up on stuff.
Now, just a few clicks on the computer and you now what is coming up, plus you can buy the tickets online as well. No more treking to the box office or a ticketmaster outlet, or whatever.
Between the websites kosmo mentioned, the bands' sites, etc., it is just easier to get the information.
Just a question - is this a good thing in a way? I mean, if the 9:30 can virtually guarantee a sellout to even a moderately well known band, is it more likely that bands will stop through dc to play? Which would benefit the fans. Just a thought.
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Originally posted by HERR PROFESSOR DOKTOR DOOM:
The reality is, though, that the days when a typical 9:30 Club audience might consist of music echoing across a largely empty room, a spike-haired alcoholic slumped over the back bar, 10-15 die hard fans, plus a Marine or two strayed from Georgetown and looking to pick up punk girls or slam dance, are probably gone for good.
I've got dibs on being the spike-haired alcoholic slumped over the back bar!!!!!!!
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
I think a lot of non-scenesters (i.e. people who talk through an entire show, or get on their cell phones and babbly away) just like to go to the 9:30 Club because they think it's the hip thing to do.
>> I think the hip thing for myself & others to do, would be to start punching these folks solidly in the back of the skull when they least expect it!......well,that's at least what I do in my mind everytime I spot one of these jackoffs.... :mad:
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have the deftones gotten more popular lately? i thought they were at their biggest in the late-90s ... "my own summer (shove it)" is still my favorite "nu-metal" song OF ALL TIME!
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Originally posted by MindCage:
[QB] I've got dibs on being the spike-haired alcoholic slumped over the back bar!!!!!!!
heh... you weren't the Marine looking to slam dance?
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Originally posted by MindCage:
I always bring a party to the 930 Club
I AM a party at the 930 Club.
I think organizedconfusion's initial point, though, is true -- far more shows sell out. Whether in minutes or the day before the show. Without pointing to particular shows, but overall, the sellout ratio is incredibly high, much higher than it used to be. It's amazing, and I think good for business and good for DC as a "must stop" city, but it does suck for me personally.
I think it's the internet not just in terms of the information about shows, but also the new one-hit wonders (Arctic Monkeys, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, etc) that become huge MP3 phenoms. And the kids are savvy with the MP3 world.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
have the deftones gotten more popular lately? i thought they were at their biggest in the late-90s ... "my own summer (shove it)" is still my favorite "nu-metal" song OF ALL TIME!
perhaps the Taste Of Chaos tour might've given them a bit of a popularity boost.
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People want to be able to say that they saw whatever is the next big thing before they became big. Arcade Fire, Sufjan, Franz Ferdinand, even Maroon 5 were getting tons of buzz when they booked their 9:30 shows, and people wanted to tell their buddies that they saw them in a little club. Indie really is the new mainstream.
As for why Deftones, a band whose popularity peaked years ago, sold out 9:30, I don't know.
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i think its a good thing shows are selling out, it makes bands feel more welcome when they come to dc. this board is incredibly pretentious talking about the kids who talk and their phones and what not, those are the kids that are going to keep going to the shows when everyone who has been active in the scene for the past decade get out of it. if you don't like the state of the current 930 club then stop complaining and go to like the sidebar or some backstage show at blackcat.
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It has nothing to do with pretentiousness. It has everything to do with respect for the performers and the people around you.
Originally posted by dia:
this board is incredibly pretentious talking about the kids who talk and their phones and what not, those are the kids that are going to keep going to the shows when everyone who has been active in the scene for the past decade get out of it.
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But they're keeping the scene alive!
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
It has nothing to do with pretentiousness. It has everything to do with respect for the performers and the people around you.
Originally posted by dia:
this board is incredibly pretentious talking about the kids who talk and their phones and what not, those are the kids that are going to keep going to the shows when everyone who has been active in the scene for the past decade get out of it.
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Originally posted by dia:
this board is incredibly pretentious talking about the kids who talk and their phones and what not, those are the kids that are going to keep going to the shows when everyone who has been active in the scene for the past decade get out of it. if you don't like the state of the current 930 club then stop complaining and go to like the sidebar or some backstage show at blackcat.
Take a lesson from yourself. If you don't like the pretentious old farts on this board then take a hike over to the hfs board or wherever all the teenyboppers go these days.
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Originally posted by you be pickup:
As for why Deftones, a band whose popularity peaked years ago, sold out 9:30, I don't know.
because they keep making great music.
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I dont know anyone who stops going to 930 because there is too many young people. Thats just bullshit.
I think the problem with selling out so fast is that, people have the money to throw around and casually go to 930 to see bands that they dont really KNOW about. So it could be the complete opposite. The more people who make 100,000 a year get season tickets to 930.
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Originally posted by hostiledm:
Originally posted by you be pickup:
As for why Deftones, a band whose popularity peaked years ago, sold out 9:30, I don't know.
because they keep making great music. [/b]
most DEFFINETLY
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Originally posted by Got Haggis?:
On my way to work in Baltimore, I always pass a parked yellow hummer that has bio written in front of diesel. I've always wondered if it is really full of biodiesel or if the owner just put that on there to make himself feel better.
i own a VW golf diesel, thinking about brewing my own bio diesel.
I put a "Powered by Haggis" sticker on my bumper.
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Originally posted by organizedconfusion:
I think the problem with selling out so fast is that, people have the money to throw around and casually go to 930 to see bands that they dont really KNOW about. So it could be the complete opposite. The more people who make 100,000 a year get season tickets to 930.
I can't imagine this as being a reason for shows selling out faster and more frequently. Back in my college days (late 90's), I went to the old Black Cat plenty of times to check out bands I didn't really know. Same with the 9:30. And yes kiddies, both places existed in different buildings prior to their current incarnation ;)
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Originally posted by organizedconfusion:
I dont know anyone who stops going to 930 because there is too many young people. Thats just bullshit.
I think the problem with selling out so fast is that, people have the money to throw around and casually go to 930 to see bands that they dont really KNOW about. So it could be the complete opposite. The more people who make 100,000 a year get season tickets to 930.
que?
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Originally posted by dia:
i think its a good thing shows are selling out, it makes bands feel more welcome when they come to dc. this board is incredibly pretentious talking about the kids who talk and their phones and what not, those are the kids that are going to keep going to the shows when everyone who has been active in the scene for the past decade get out of it. if you don't like the state of the current 930 club then stop complaining and go to like the sidebar or some backstage show at blackcat.
See, this is where I disagree; because I'm one of those "kids" that is active in the scene, has been for a while, and will be for a while to come; and I NEVER talk on my phone during a band's set. I've been going to shows in the area since I was a mere 11 years old, and even I knew then not to talk on a phone in the middle of a band's set. The people that are doing the talking are not necessarily teenyboppers, they are just rude. I have seen plenty of cute little hipsters jabbering on their sidekicks during shows. It's not being pretentious...it's being respectful to who is on stage.
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See, this is where I disagree; because I'm one of those "kids" that is active in the scene, has been for a while, and will be for a while to come; and I NEVER talk on my phone during a band's set. I've been going to shows in the area since I was a mere 11 years old, and even I knew then not to talk on a phone in the middle of a band's set. The people that are doing the talking are not necessarily teenyboppers, they are just rude. I have seen plenty of cute little hipsters jabbering on their sidekicks during shows. It's not being pretentious...it's being respectful to who is on stage.
i agree with you, i am also young and have been involved in the scene for a long time. i think it is awful when kids talk on their phones or text message during bands. i was refering to the people who condemn the scenesters as being pretentious. all i ever seem to see on this board is people who make fun of kids for having like going to shows for the "wrong" reasons and going only to be cool; which is not me and not most of the kids. i don't see why the older concert goers have the right to say who deserves to be at a show more. i may have misinterpreted but thats what the majority of these topics not necessarily this thread seem to be on.
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I think you misinterpreted; because I've never had a problem with anyone on these boards. And I get offended kind of easily, sometimes. But I love everyone on here. Sometimes people make sarcastic remarks, but they are easily laughed off. I'm amused.
I also don't think there is anything wrong with texting during a band, because while it may be viewed by some as rude; you aren't really disturbing anyone elses' ability to watch the show at that point...
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Originally posted by you be pickup:
People want to be able to say that they saw whatever is the next big thing before they became big. Arcade Fire, Sufjan, Franz Ferdinand
But why would this be different now from 6 years ago, say? I think that's the question being asked here. It's always been cool to "see them when they were nobodies" -- why SO MANY sell out shows now versus 1997??
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
It has nothing to do with pretentiousness. It has everything to do with respect for the performers and the people around you.
Originally posted by dia:
this board is incredibly pretentious talking about the kids who talk and their phones and what not, those are the kids that are going to keep going to the shows when everyone who has been active in the scene for the past decade get out of it.
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I've been going to shows and buying albums -- even now, in the face of all those free downloads -- for 20 years, Dia. I'm still around and supporting the shows.
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Originally posted by organizedconfusion:
The more people who make 100,000 a year get season tickets to 930.
OH how you mock. IF ONLY there were a season pass, my friend. With VIP access - HO boy. Dare to dream. ;0
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Originally posted by dia:
all i ever seem to see on this board is people who make fun of kids for having like going to shows for the "wrong" reasons and going only to be cool; ... i may have misinterpreted but thats what the majority of these topics not necessarily this thread seem to be on.
it's too bad they don't teach reading comprehension in our schools any more
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I want a season pass. I'm old. I still like new music. Now I have the bucks to pay for it. How can I get one?
Seth? C'mon, let's really rile up the masses. You're for capitalism. It's win/win. I've paid my dues over the years seeing countless bands and spending a gazillion dollars on drinks. I'll pay you for the ability to get in on pre-sales before anyone else. A season pass, yes!. And not a public pre-sale code, a private one. Each season pass member, who pays for the privelge, gets a unique passcode. The technology exists.
Let's do it. My checkbook/credit card is ready.
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I like the idea of taking care of regulars, but I don't want to create an elitist thing that makes others feel left out
we had a discussion a couple years back of how to do this, and there were some good ideas...just never pulled the trigger...fact is we're just too busy trying to pull off what we do now
as far as things selling out too fast - yes, the hot shows sell out as fast as the bytes can travel, but there's no new foul play going on
I think more & more people have figured out how to get in on it
however...what I have no sympathy for is the people that whine about getting shut out of shows that were on sale for plenty of time
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Originally posted by Glass Arm Shattering:
And yes kiddies, both places existed in different buildings prior to their current incarnation ;)
This is one of the reasons we're looking forward to playing the Black Cat next week. The band was the last band to play upstairs at The Cage before The Black Cat moved down a few doors ;) Of course this was before I joined it but I remember the show very well. Gotta watch out for those low ceiling otherwise you might crack your head open while rockin out!
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Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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Originally posted by dia:
this board is incredibly pretentious talking about the kids who talk and their phones and what not, those are the kids that are going to keep going to the shows when everyone who has been active in the scene for the past decade get out of it.
so all those people who yap on their cell phones the entire show are the "real fans"????
thats the silliest thing i have heard all week!
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Originally posted by dia:
i may have misinterpreted
grossly.
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Originally posted by you be pickup:
People want to be able to say that they saw whatever is the next big thing before they became big.
I saw the Crippled Pilgrims before they became big!
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I still maintain that the phrase "Indie is the new mainstream" is down right silly... Granted that Indie music had gained "acceptence" within the mainstream rock audience, indie bands still aren't selling mainstream numbers of records.
The better phrase to toss glibly around is "Indie is now a viable alternative".
"Indie" rock labels began making a mark on college radio in the 80s, yet the coverage was still limited to traditional print media or zines with limited distribution. The internet has definitely helped indie acts get the word out and more easily sell thier product. Gone are the days of thumbing through a zine and not having to send a mail order off for a record that sounds interesting. Or hoping your local record store could track it donw on a special order. CDBaby, Amazon, etc make albums easier to obtain. A review can now spark googling for the bands website and other reviews, so not everything is bought on a leap of faith.
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the real trend i see is that the post-nirvana phrase "alternative rock" to describe watered-down grunge music is pretty much dead ... but i've been seeing "mainstream indie" groups like DCFC and Franz being referred to as "alt-rock" lately
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Kosmo, I agree. Even shameless hucksters like Oasis are miles better than *real* mainstream. My god, just turn on Top 40 radio for 10 minutes, it's hard for anything indie to *ever* approach that.