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Late Night Shots is herding the next generation of assholes through Georgetown bars. And you're not invited.
By Angela Valdez
Posted: July 12, 2007
The three guys sitting at the bar at Town Hall in Georgetown swear it??s a true story: A friend of theirs called a buddy in the middle of a sexual conquest, placing his cell phone out of view. When the voice mail picked up, it recorded him asking his lady, ??You like that Republican cock??
The guys are wearing golf shirts and drinking Miller Lites. They??ve been telling raunchy tales about what happens after dark in Georgetown, playing toward expectations. They know I??m a reporter on assignment. At first, the sordid tales of preppy hookups just make me laugh.
Then the bearded one in the middle busts out with this: ??Do you like anal sex?? I squint. I??m confused. ??Do you do anal?? he repeats, head bobbing with excitement. The litany continues. Do I want to take it in the ass? Have I ever taken it in the ass? My silence is taken as an affirmative and he announces that this interview will go no further unless he receives a hand job. I retreat into a hole carved out during similar sessions in high school and head for the door.
(Darrow Montgomery)
Later, at home, I decide to find the fellows online. It??s easy to do since these were no run-of-the-mill meatheads. All three are members of Late Night Shots, a very exclusive, invite-only social-networking Web site. The anal-sex proposition came from John Tabacco, a 25-year-old graduate of Georgetown Prep and Denison University. His friends were both graduates of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
Late Night Shots caters to Washington??s hard-partying preppy crowd. Think of a new generation of young Republicans getting trashed at St. Elmo??s, hooking up, then writing about it at 3 in the morning. The bar-scene-themed Web site launched in late spring 2006 and has since branched out to four other cities. But it??s nowhere near as popular anywhere else as it is here in D.C. Founder Reed Landry, a prep-school boy from McLean, Va., claims he has 14,500 members and that a third of them visit the site every day. He and partner Neel Patel say they make enough money from Google ads and banner ads to abandon outside employment.
LNS operates like MySpace and Facebook, but with a heavy emphasis on booze. To get an invite to the site, you need a connection among the clientele of a few select Georgetown night spots. Users have ??drinking buddies? instead of ??friends? and must list their favorite bars and restaurants. There are fill-in-the-blanks for your sorority or fraternity, your golf handicap, and your country club. The online profiles show a population dominated by good- looking blondes and smirking guys with athlete??s shoulders. They attended the University of Virginia, as did Landry, UNC, and a smattering of pretty-good-but-not-Ivy schools in the South and Mid-Atlantic. Under the space for employer, they list investment and lobby firms and jobs on the Hill.
Reed Landry (Darrow Montgomery)
Most categorize their political views as conservative. Many are Episcopalian or Presbyterian. The overwhelming majority are white. Some people describe themselves simply as WASP.
The Late Night Shots online forum, launched last August, provides comedic fodder for liberal D.C. commentators, especially the gossip blog Wonkette, which started a weekly feature called Last Week??s Shots. Forum posters have made light of date rape, bashed brunettes, and compared notes on handouts from Mummy and Daddy. A classic thread:
change of pace
Posted By: H on 10-20-2006 1:01 pm
Any suggestions for a little change of pace this evening? I was a bit turned off last night at SP [the Georgetown bar Smith Point] when a girl screamed at me for referring to my boat shoes as loafers??goodness gracious i??m bush league.
RE: change of pace
Posted By: Anti on 10-20-2006 2:38 pm
If I have said it once I have said it 1000 times. DO NOT EVER, EVER even go near Adams Morgan. That place is Ghetto.
RE: change of pace
Posted By: correction on 10-20-2006 2:41 pm
Adams Morgan is only do-able if you limit yourself to a few bars that are close together.
Every minute you spend outside of an actual bar your life is in danger. And do not, DO NOT attempt to get a late-night slice of pizza unless you are a pro.
Any by pro I mean ready to fight people.
RE: change of pace
Posted By: Boat Shoes on 10-20-2006 2:49 pm
Everytime I??m in Adams Morgan, I take on at least 3-4 Ethiopans. Skinny little bastards are feisty.
(Darrow Montgomery)
People like ??H? and ??correction? have been exchanging their thoughts on boat shoes and skinny foreigners for ages. LNS has simply made an industry of channeling these like-minded folks to places where they feel comfortable. And that would be Georgetown.
In addition to generating business at bars along M and Wisconsin, Late Night Shots serves as a running record of each night??s events. New messages appear every minute during the workday, recapping last night at Smith Point and Blue Gin, or looking for new action at the Deck or Saloun. The narratives include references to premarital sex, not to mention cocaine and marijuana use.
Landry, 26, says the raunchy posts are made in jest, and when I tell him about my experience at Town Hall, he??s appropriately horrified. He doesn??t think the incident means the forum??s crassness has crossed over into real life. But Landry doesn??t help me pinpoint the line between fiction and reality on Late Night Shots. To let me in on that secret would undermine his network??s exclusivity. You have to be at the party yourself to really know. And you can do that only if you??re on the list.
You Are Not on the List
Tonight
Posted By: Action on 12-16-2006 4:45 pm
Where is the party?
RE: Tonight
Posted By: All over the place on 12-16-2006 4:55 pm
And you??re not invited.
RE: Save our Streets - Georgetown
Posted By: WS on 08-24-2006 1:35 pm
We should start carrying guns everywhere we go in Georgetown. Unlike the barbarous horde, many of us have actually engaged in some target practice.
(Darrow Montgomery)
Smith Point is the quintessential LNS bar for one reason: It has a list. The Bush twins are on it, so are many regular LNS posters. The only day you can get in without being on the list is Thursday, when the bar hosts charity fundraisers.
The Thursday I decide to go, the designated charity is the Polaris Project, which raises money to fight international human trafficking. The invite promises a kissing booth. Apparently no one senses the irony.
I get to the bar early, and, too nervous to enter before my sidekick arrives, end up hanging out across the street with a group of men who just got out of their weekly Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. They??ve been wondering about the regular throngs of drunk preppies across the street. I finally wander over alone around 10 p.m. and walk down a short staircase into a dimly lit bar. Everyone looks up. Several people smile. A girl stationed at a little table deposits my $5 donation in a lock box and welcomes me as if I belong.
My first impression is that everyone at Smith Point is as nice as the hostess. I sit down at the bar and easily slip into conversation with two young men. Both are members of Late Night Shots, but they claim to hate the site. They describe the posters as ??a bunch of idiots? who give their crowd a bad name.
Both are wearing polo shirts, collars neatly folded down (they say no one pops their collars these days). The men in the bar sport a classic look: Along with the red polos (the signature color of the LNS set), they wear blue blazers, madras shorts, loafers, and boat shoes. Khakis are flat-fronted and top-shelf??Brooks Brothers, J. Crew, etc.
(Darrow Montgomery)
Deviations from the uniform, like a striped pullover from Old Navy paired with cargo shorts, invite severe judgment. According to several vocabulary guides on LNS, such attire denotes the status of ??turbo,? a term suggestive of a Long Island mall boy with gobs of gel in his hair and maybe a puka shell necklace.
Code words like ??turbo? and ??turbette? help posters maintain the site??s exclusivity. The lingo ranges from abstruse to obvious. In addition to ??takedowns? and ??going to poundtown? or ??PT? (getting laid), there??s ??big timing? (snubbing someone, often a member of the opposite sex, at a bar), ??smoke? (an attractive LNS member), and ??RBV? (a Red Bull with vodka, the preferred drink of many LNSers).
Established members take pride in warding off invaders, often employing online tricks to out newbies. One common trap: A member posts a link on the forum, suggesting people check out another member??s profile. Readers who don??t know the ins and outs of the site and its protocol click on the link and inadvertently send the member a drinking buddy request. It??s a seemingly minor overture, but in the world of Late Night Shots, an embarrassing faux pas.
Back at the bar, I meet a red-haired woman who has brought two friends from France on a sort of field trip to Smith Point. She is a member of Late Night Shots but also claims to hate the site and everything it stands for. She points me toward a rotund young man standing in the next room, whom she describes as the quintessential LNS asshole.
(Darrow Montgomery)
When I introduce myself to Chris, he is cordial, if somewhat on guard. He says Late Night Shots streamlines the complicated ritual of hooking up. If he meets a girl out in Georgetown, he doesn??t have to wait until he runs into her again, because he can find her online. He does note that my black seersucker dress (J. Crew sale, circa 2001) exposes me as an outsider. Indeed, the sundress collection on view in the bar is decidedly colorful.
Sartorial criticism aside, I find the asshole to be a perfect gentleman. From what I can tell, the typical LNS man prides himself on displaying an almost Southern level of civility. (Unless he??s piss-drunk and presented with a note-taking reporter.) His confidence doesn??t wane, even in the face of rejection.
The good manners and self-assurance also have a lot to do with familiarity. Washington??s young elites like to feel safe and comfortable??witness the fear of anyplace as far east as 18th Street NW. So if you stick to bars that get positive mentions on LNS, you know you??ll be in good company. And you??ll want to behave.
Davis Berg, a 27-year-old UNC grad, has gained a reputation as the puckish philosopher of the site and often invokes pop- cultural theories about social networking.
(Darrow Montgomery)
??I think the social cachet of MySpace, at least in this circle??it doesn??t have much social bargaining power,? he says. ??[LNS]??s not extremely exclusive, but it??s exclusive enough. It hasn??t reached a tipping point where the membership has overwhelmed the initial group of people who used it.?
He says LNS members aren??t judgmental. They just want to network with compatible new friends.
??People who dress like they just got off a Cancun party boat,? he tells me, referring to the dreaded turbo, ??are not the type of people I want to associate with, especially as I transition into full adulthood.?
It??s a transition that weighs heavily on the minds of LNS members.
In many ways, the site??s forum serves as an anonymous tutor for aspiring members of the ruling class. Members post serious questions on etiquette, culture, and relationships. Where to buy loafers? Where to get a sailing license? What to wear to a polo match?
BMW or Mercedes?
Posted By: buyer on 07-05-2007 9:20 am
advice?
RE: BMW or Mercedes?
Posted By: Easy on 07-05-2007 9:22 am
A nice black Mercedes for sure. BMWs is very new money.
(Darrow Montgomery)
A poster named ??rocketscientist? recently asked which careers were considered most suitable for marriage-minded young women. The recommendations were predictable??interior design, teaching, development??fields dominated by the most popular young women on the site.
Berg says the site??s dating features are tongue-in-cheek enough to make his friends comfortable with using them. If you??re interested in another member, you can send her a ??brush up,? which dispatches one of several dozen snarky e-mails to her inbox. (??I??m looking to commit social suicide. Would you like to go out sometime?? or ??Please control yourself.?) If you really like someone, you can put her on your ??hunting range.? If she does the same, on Thursday night you??ll both get an e-mail alert of the match.
The Hunting Range
RE: Figuring out if girls are sluts
Posted By: farmer john on 04-02-2007 9:57 pm
all women are whores at heart?they will always slut themselves out at some point in their lives to get something?especially something shiny and expensive
Forum post on recent party:
?who got done? I don??t need names, I just need to know that people are hooking up. A lot of times, people insinuate that they??re going to PT but a lot of these drunken rages end up with girls piling into cabs and leaving the scene. Was it worth $60/$80 to not get laid?
(Darrow Montgomery)
Over and over, guys tell me that women on LNS give it up for free. The forum is always abuzz with reports of last night??s takedowns, trips to poundtown, debates about whether sluts are still datable, and the acceptable number of notches in one??s headboard. At every bar and party, I witness dancing that would be banned at most high school proms??usually girls in heels driving backward into guys in flip-flops.
One LNS member tells me he can be a social conservative and still have premarital sex. Another says the pliability of young women correlates to an obsession with social status.
??The girls think that maybe if they go home with some guy they??re gonna be the next big thing in D.C.,? he says, ??that they??re gonna be cool and be part of this whole group.?
The girls, he says, think they might become the next Katherine Kennedy or Coventry Burke, young women who??ve achieved semi-celebrity status on the site. But, he says, the deed has repercussions. In the worst cases, girls recover from a hangover and find their indiscretions revealed on the site, either by their suitors or witnesses from the bar. (Landry says he monitors the site closely to remove such posts.)
The avid LNS reader might assume girls would know better. The forum is full of warnings against promiscuity, even as it encourages the hunting tactics of men who benefit from an evening??s adventures.
(Darrow Montgomery)
RE: optimal number for a woman
Posted By: Guy on 10-23-2006 1:35 pm
I could put up with 12. Anything more than that without a good explanation, and the girl is incapable of being in a serious relationship.
RE: optimal number for a woman
Posted By: higher the better on 10-23-2006 1:39 pm
I prefer high #??s. It usually means they really like to have sex, and that they are very good at it. And the idea that you might be exposing yourself to a serious disease is thrilling and really gets my blood flowing.
RE: optimal number for a woman
Posted By: SF on 10-23-2006 1:58 pm
I think one sexual partner for every 2-3 years is acceptable for a girl from a good family. Sex just isn??t something girls should be doing if they are interested in marrying me.
Getting tainted by older men
Posted By: Roger Chillingworth on 07-02-2007 9:16 am I??m concerned with a lot of the younger ladies in DC who are hooking up with and dating older guys. Whenever I first start seeing a girl I go through a checklist of what is acceptable, and having dated a guy who is 10+ years older than her is a tremendous red flag. I hope some of these younger girls realize the scarlet letter they are attaching to themselves by engaging in this scandalous behavior.
RE: Getting tainted by older men
Posted By: Steve Pimpington on 07-02-2007 9:21 am
I agree wholeheartedly. Nothing says ??I blow guys for money? like dating some old rich dude. And the scarlet letter they are attaching to themselves is ??W.? For ??whore.?
(Darrow Montgomery)
No one would ever call Coventry Burke a whore. The 26-year-old from Sonoma, Calif., moved to D.C. in 2001, when she transferred to American University from Mount Holyoke. She now works in development for a nonprofit. Cov, as she??s known, was an instant star on LNS. One commenter on her profile wrote, ??You have so many LNS??er hunting you that I need to give you Secret Service protection.?
When discussing the popularity of Burke and other women who get a lot of attention on the site, the acceptable thing is to say they??re ??well-liked.? Translated, the implication is that they didn??t make a big effort to become LNS stars. And everyone knows who the stars are. On the photo pages, members can rate one another??s attractiveness on a scale of 1 (??I??m Not Amused?) to 5 (??Nice One?).
I found 58 images of Burke on the Web site, and they had high ratings. She has the look: svelte and blond with a toothy grin. Shots show her in a white dress at a polo party or sweat-drenched and dancing at a Jimmy Buffet concert. She says she doesn??t post the photos herself. It??s an important distinction. Self-promotion and social-climbing come close to turbo status on the scale of LNS ridicule.
Burke, whose family has D.C. roots, has the right mix of good-girl and flirt. She competes in horse shows, goes fly-fishing with her boyfriend, and lists ??skinny dipping? among the things she??s good at. She says she mainly uses LNS for its private groups, where she can gossip with groups of girlfriends. The groups listed under her profile include ??DC, Hot Chicks, RBV??s? and ??Only Dimes,? private message boards that self-select only the best-looking girls.
Burke is also a frequent object of the sexual revving-up that happens on LNS. Many of her photos include captions, written anonymously, that offer sleazy compliments: ??i want to fock juck it,? ??goddamn you??re fucking hot! motorboat it,? ??get it shorty,? ??frontal pic please of soaked shirt,? and ??applaud good photo at drunken event.?
(Darrow Montgomery)
Burke doesn??t stress over the sexual trash talk. ??I think a lot of it is said in jest, and that??s the easiest way to deal with it,? she says. ??As women, we deal with it everyday.?
She thinks the people in her scene aren??t as promiscuous in real life as they claim to be on the forum. ??I think it??s a lot of big talkers,? she says.
Burke??s profile disappeared from LNS a day before this story went to press.
Mob Rule
D.C. Charity Addiction
Posted By: veejay on 04-11-2007 1:23 pm
Is there a city anywhere in the world that has more charities than D.C.? I moved here about 2 years ago, and at first it seemed nice that everyone was invovled with and supporting local charity events. However now I am beginning to question a number of the charitable causes and find it annoying to pay $10 to $20 just to step in somewhere for a drink with friends.
Am I being a cold-hearted miser?
RE: D.C. Charity Addiction
Posted By: Not at all on 04-11-2007 1:27 pm
I am 26 and DC wasn??t always like this. Most people just threw parties to throw parties. Now they feel compelled to do a charity or feel it makes them more sophisticated.
To responders: Don??t give me any bullshit response about wanting to help a charity because I know all of you and you??re not that decent (neither am I).
If one member treads the line of appropriate self-marketing, it??s Andrea Rodgers. Rodgers is 35, divorced, and, though well-liked, is also often described as a cougar, nearly too old to be out on the hunt. She works during the day as an executive assistant and dedicates the rest of her time to fundraisers, like a recent pooch and socialite fashion show that raised $60,000 for the Humane Society. Rodgers joined Late Night Shots in May 2006. She points out that she has a low member number, somewhere in the 700s, a key measure of status among the early group of LNSers.
After the LNS forum started, Rodgers began posting as Miss A, an anonymous, self-styled advice columnist.
Her most famous prescription came in February 2007, during a discussion about women??s weight.
She wrote: ??There is no such thing as a toned size 10! I??m sorry. If you are bigger than a 4 n you need to lose some weight. How women can go around being confident as a 10, I have no clue. I just can??t see them wanting to have sex with lights on, or having a guy see them walk around the room undressed.?
Rodgers says her comment got misquoted and twisted around in the real world. Even on the forum, she got a drubbing for being too harsh. What she meant, she says, was that ??if you??re a size 6 or up, you could stand to tone up. Not that they??re fat.? Nonetheless, the thread secured her status as an important poster. Around the same time, forum members began discovering her identity. Miss A wasn??t just witty and on-point; she was the smashing Southern belle Andrea Rodgers. Since then, her popularity has only grown.
(Darrow Montgomery)
??It??s gotten to be this legendary status,? she says. ??It??s gotten kind of out of control.?
Judging from the number of posts from Miss A on the site, Rodgers spends a fair amount of time online during the day. ??It??s like being at a party during the day when you??re at work,? she says.
Of course, sometimes the party gets overwhelming. After all the drama about her post on weight, Rodgers says she got sick of the negativity, the spoiled debauchery. ??The group as a whole promotes the elite materialism, old money, Ivy League sort of entitlement kind of a thing,? she says. She ditched her profile and quit LNS. ??It was nice because there??s so much negativity on there,? she says. But there was a downside. ??I was missing out. I wasn??t getting the invitations, and I was kind of out of the loop. It was critical for someone like me who plans fundraisers.?
Then she planned a Thursday night fundraiser at Smith Point. Charity events hadn??t always been the norm for the pre-weekend party night. Back in the day, around 2004, regulars celebrated Thursday Throngs, when the guest list was lax and the blondes abundant. Civic-minded hosts now have to contend with a growing frustration at the necessity of paying to attend a time-honored bar night. One LNS member, Wright Sigmund, told me, ??There??s such an overwhelming amount of charity fundraisers that basically some people feel like it becomes charity for the sake of charity. It just gets to be too much.?
When Rodgers decided to raise the ??donation? from the typical $5 or $10 to $15, the chatter flared up. The LNS forum, in mob formation, decided to boycott the party.
??The event was a disaster,? Rodgers says. She learned about the boycott just hours before the event and scrambled to re- establish her membership (Landry says he did her a favor and gave her back her old member number). Rodgers went back online and lowered the price to $5. But it was too late. Very few people showed up. Smith Point owner Bo Blair called and told her she was hurting his business. Rodgers resorted to canvassing Georgetown on foot. ??I literally had to go to Third Edition and walk through there and tell people,? she says.
The fundraiser may have been a bust, but Rodgers managed to pull off the main event. In June, she attracted a crowd to the Courage Cup, a polo match in Virginia that raises money to teach disadvantaged D.C. youths to play polo. Although the charity receives a fair amount of scorn (several posters asked why anyone would teach poor kids to play a game they can??t afford), it was one of the early summer??s most popular events.
Stars, Stripes, and smoke
On July 3, Late Night Shots threw an Independence Day party in a rented-out ballroom near Dupont Circle. Tickets to Stars Stripes and Smoke went for $80 at the door and included an open bar.
Even though close to 500 revelers show up, the event has the feel of a high school reunion. The crowd can??t fill the sprawling dance floor. The DJ plays Journey and Vanilla Ice. A few people are disappointed, but they dance anyway, get drunk anyway. A military man laments that a group of women snubbed his friendly efforts at conversation. ??These girls are jerks,? he says.
I??m standing near a station serving only Red Bull with vodka when I meet Otis Ofori, 24, who, along with his twin brother, Curtis, is another star of LNS. I ask him what it is like to be a black man among such a uniformly white crowd. (I recently found a profile on the site for one Tyrone Biggums, who lists his skills as ??Suckin dick for crack and drinkin red bawls!?) Ofori leans forward, reaches for my waist, and pulls me close. He says he knows people talk behind his back, but he doesn??t care. He??s rich, and that??s all that matters. ??My brother and I, we do all right,? he says. ??Guys with money can do whatever they want.? He grabs me again and says, ??You??re kind of cute.?
(Darrow Montgomery)
I head for the women??s restroom to scribble down notes. Most of the girls who walk in are desperate to leave. Several are there because they grew up with Landry or went to college with him. ??We??re here to support Reed,? they say.
Talk shifts to the night??s expected hookups and whether the debauchery ever measures up to the hype. No one can agree, but everyone in the bathroom knows the breakdown on sex. One woman sums it up: ??It??s an accomplishment for guys and an embarrassment for girls.?
When I leave, a giant man stands outside, trying to hail a cab while he supports a crumpled girl against a ledge. He was just trying to get her home safe.
By 3 a.m., the recap has begun on LNS.
RE: Stars Stripes and Smoke Post Mortem
Posted By: just back on 07-04-2007 3:21 am
I??d give strong marks for the party, if you were intent on getting laid, you were in for an easy nite. Great chicks, plentiful liquor. The DJ was a bit lame, but not that bad. Overall, Great Work Reed!
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Read it yesterday. HIL. AR. I. OUS.
Classic line,
"Do you like that Republican cock??"
Now THAT'S an ice breaker at parties to make girls remove their Vickies. Whoa . . . .
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i met the author last night, she was nice ... i can't imagine how excruciating the reporting for this must have been
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I did feel a little bad for her. Especially the anal question. From reading it however, it seems half her interviewees wanted to get at her. Which brings me to the all-important question.
Does she look good???? :p
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Great story.
Sickening subject.
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I didn't believe people like this actually existed.
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reason i'm glad i'm married #234234
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I can't tell if it is all because of a website or if she was just interviewing the typical DC bar patron. This is why I hate going to most bars in this city.
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Excellent article. Reminded me of Tom Wolfe the way she immersed herself as a neutral observer of her subject matter. . . and presented a pretty multi-layered view.
Not the typical DC Bar patrons - but a specific insular crowd that's prevalent at least at places like Town Hall and Smith Point. The rich, waspy, prep-school, children of "dc power" crowd.
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Did you guys read the one from several weeks ago, "Nice Ass"?
Any comments on that one?
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A bunch of us on HFStival.com managed to get accounts for LNS with the intent of flooding their messageboard. We read like 10 threads and decided it was already full of complete shit and wasn't worth our time.
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That was pretty awful as well. People suck all over the place.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Did you guys read the one from several weeks ago, "Nice Ass"?
Any comments on that one?
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The comments at the bottom of the link are priceless.
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Originally posted by floyd:
The comments at the bottom of the link are priceless.
Only read the first few, but the subjects went into full-on Duke Lacrosse Player repentant / blame mode. Not unlike the Administration when accused.
The thing is, if I recall, the writer didn't cast judgment. She presented what she observed and postings from the website. I thought the way she handled the 25-year old Denison grad was hilarious.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
A bunch of us on HFStival.com managed to get accounts for LNS with the intent of flooding their messageboard. We read like 10 threads and decided it was already full of complete shit and wasn't worth our time.
HFStival.com? Didn't one (or more) of the regulars there get convicted for statutory rape?
And aren't you the guy that has posted on here about your excitement over checking out some "15-year old Jewish ass"?
I'm not defending the "club" in that article, nor decrying you and your HFStival.com friends; I'm just pointing out that things can always be put out of context. The City Paper considers itself an "alternative" journal, so it has a vested interest in regularly making that lifestyle it is alternative to look as heinous as possible.
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Angela, I enjoyed the article but I do think you were way out of line publishing people's names like that ... I dont care if they did sign a release. On the other hand I understand that you were writing to a certain audience ... an audience that probably frequents places like the Black Cat and the 9:30 Club and almost certainly despises the LNS crowd. That audience will applaud the fact that you named names and took some pretty cheap shots. As someone that doesnt associate with either crowd I think you ultimately came off as more jealous than journalistic. I believe you deserve whatever windfall comes of this article.
Originally posted by floyd:
The comments at the bottom of the link are priceless.
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*sigh*
as a fellow reporter. i feel her pain.
doing bar stories is fun but can be horrific as well. i remember during my first month on the job hearing "hope you can write drunk!"
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Originally posted by ggw?:
HFStival.com? Didn't one (or more) of the regulars there get convicted for statutory rape?
There was a kid convicted of contributing to the delinquency of a minor but he has been banned from HFStival.com like 10 times and is currently a member of LNS only, so we aren't claiming him.
Originally posted by ggw?:
And aren't you the guy that has posted on here about your excitement over checking out some "15-year old Jewish ass"?
I don't recall that statement but I assume you're talking about joking with youbebetty. I don't think I've said anything vulgar to her, and anything I've said to her is as clearly in jest as anyone else's comments to her.
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Originally posted by floyd:
The comments at the bottom of the link are priceless.
"At the end of the day, they hate because they are jealous. Jealous of our priviledge, jealous of our economic success, jealous of our fun. I hate to say it but they hate us for the same reasons the terrorists do. Perhaps that's why they all want us to withdraw from Iraq and hand victory to al Qaeda on a silver platter? Ok, I better stop before I go off on a major tangent/rant here."
O.M.F.G.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
There was a kid convicted of contributing to the delinquency of a minor but he has been banned from HFStival.com like 10 times and is currently a member of LNS only, so we aren't claiming him.
The guy I'm referring to was Middle Eastern and definitely "Turbo." I seriously doubt he's with LNS.
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
I don't recall that statement but I assume you're talking about joking with youbebetty. I don't think I've said anything vulgar to her, and anything I've said to her is as clearly in jest as anyone else's comments to her.
I am sure you were joking. But in the context of a hypothetical article ostensibly about the depravity of rock fans (or something) that post could be taken any number of ways.
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to be fair, i was just as horrified the first time time i saw lastnightsparty.com
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Originally posted by ggw?:
The guy I'm referring to was Middle Eastern and definitely "Turbo." I seriously doubt he's with LNS.
Yeah, that's him. Money makes up for a lot of other shortcomings.
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Other end of spectrum (http://hotghettomess.com/) (?) Also recently highlighted in City Paper...
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
I did feel a little bad for her. Especially the anal question. From reading it however, it seems half her interviewees wanted to get at her. Which brings me to the all-important question.
Does she look good???? :p
check her out for yourself director... (http://www.myspace.com/angelavaldez)
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True enough.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
to be fair, i was just as horrified the first time time i saw lastnightsparty.com
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Didn't your Bonaroo date work out?
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
I did feel a little bad for her. Especially the anal question. From reading it however, it seems half her interviewees wanted to get at her. Which brings me to the all-important question.
Does she look good???? :p
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Angela, I enjoyed the article but I do think you were way out of line publishing people's names like that ... I dont care if they did sign a release. On the other hand I understand that you were writing to a certain audience ... an audience that probably frequents places like the Black Cat and the 9:30 Club and almost certainly despises the LNS crowd. That audience will applaud the fact that you named names and took some pretty cheap shots. As someone that doesnt associate with either crowd I think you ultimately came off as more jealous than journalistic. I believe you deserve whatever windfall comes of this article.
Originally posted by floyd:
The comments at the bottom of the link are priceless.
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I agree. I doubt Angela went into covering this "story" with any other agenda than to make these people out as crass, sex crazed, retard frat boys/sorority girls. Not saying the ones she met were not, I have no idea. Im just saying Angela was painting with a wide brush in that article and who's to say if the majority of the people on that site are indeed like that. Im sure she feels much more in tune with the ever so inclusive crowds at the Black Cat and RnR Hotel. And no, Im not a member of LNS.
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someone mentioned it in the comments on the citypaper site (not me, i swear), but i think a similar type of article on the brightestyoungthings crew would be hilarious
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
someone mentioned it in the comments on the citypaper site (not me, i swear), but i think a similar type of article on the brightestyoungthings crew would be hilarious
I was thinking the exact same thing. Then again I feel the BYT crowd are already a parody of themselves.
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
I did feel a little bad for her. Especially the anal question. From reading it however, it seems half her interviewees wanted to get at her. Which brings me to the all-important question.
Does she look good???? :D
That nice ass story from a while back was off the hook as well. I kinda sympathize with females. Especially to the point where you have females eschewing sexy outfits for fear of negative interaction. NEWS FLASH, McFly! WE ALL LOSE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. Seriously though, there's a fine line between complementing a female/acknowledging her sexiness & ogling/harassment. Some of these cats just don't get that. Let's do some idiot math:
Creepy/Perverted DOES NOT = SEXYTIME
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sexy fist 'em in on that site
http://www.brightestyoungthings.com/caughtintheflash/photos-party-bros-take-2-by-sexyfitsum/ (http://www.brightestyoungthings.com/caughtintheflash/photos-party-bros-take-2-by-sexyfitsum/)
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Let's just say I had a good time, made some new friends, & we'll leave it at that. Fuck & tell is quite crass, don't you agree?
1st rule of "The, *AHEM* Organ Club" is we do not talk about "The, *ahem* Organ Club" . . . ;)
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Didn't your Bonaroo date work out?
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
I did feel a little bad for her. Especially the anal question. From reading it however, it seems half her interviewees wanted to get at her. Which brings me to the all-important question.
Does she look good???? :p
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Wow to that article. I mean, really?
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Read it yesterday. HIL. AR. I. OUS.
Classic line,
"Do you like that Republican cock??"
Now THAT'S an ice breaker at parties to make girls remove their Vickies. Whoa . . . .
After Midget Porn we can now have Republican Porn.
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These guys just come across as a big joke. If you really believe that Denison, Chapel Hill or "The University" mean you're elite, you have no real concept of elite.
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Originally posted by ggw?:
These guys just come across as a big joke. If you really believe that Denison, Chapel Hill or "The University" mean you're elite, you have no real concept of elite.
Great point. We all know it's your taste in music that make one elite or not.
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I thought it was who your favorite NASCAR driver is which determines eliteness.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by ggw?:
These guys just come across as a big joke. If you really believe that Denison, Chapel Hill or "The University" mean you're elite, you have no real concept of elite.
Great point. We all know it's your taste in music that make one elite or not. [/b]
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A great article, and hilarious comments, but honestly I can't say I have a huge personal problem with these people. They remind me of the average fratboy type, with lots of money. They aren't really being "exposed" here - is it shocking that they are sexist and snobby? I don't see them in my world. I don't do business with them on a regular basis. Unless they are hanging out in the same places I am or living in my neighborhood, I don't care. Let assholes be assholes. Its the U.S. - these people exist. While most of them are likely prejudiced against people like me, I have to admit, I crack jokes at the expense of yuppies/fratboys all the time. And if one of these Late Night Shots-lookin' boys wandered into 9:30 or the Black Cat, I'm sure he would be instantly and unfairly judged by quite a few people based on his appearance alone.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I thought it was who your favorite NASCAR driver is which determines eliteness.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by ggw?:
These guys just come across as a big joke. If you really believe that Denison, Chapel Hill or "The University" mean you're elite, you have no real concept of elite.
Great point. We all know it's your taste in music that make one elite or not. [/b]
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NASCAR sets a pretty low standard of what is elite.
If you like Jeff Gordon you don't have sex with your siblings or parents.
Junior - just siblings but not parents.
All the others - You'll even pop granny a crafty one!!
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After reading some of the comments, Angela Valdez is like the anti-Joe Francis. She used alcohol to expose the purchasers of Girls Gone Wild DVDs. Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that first?
Anyhow, if you've got balls enough to ask a girl you've just met if she likes anal sex, than reading about it in the paper should be no problem for you. Unless of course you've got small balls and these antics are how you cover up for it.
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Originally posted by econo:
I didn't believe people like this actually existed.
have you ever BEEN to potomac??
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
The bar-scene-themed Web site
maybe someday this forum will evolve into something equally cool. all you boardees with low member numbers - hang in there, the indie poon-train will be pulling in soon!
Originally posted by manimtired:
I doubt Angela went into covering this "story" with any other agenda than to make these people out as crass, sex crazed, retard frat boys/sorority girls. Not saying the ones she met were not, I have no idea. Im just saying Angela was painting with a wide brush
hey, if it's a good enough mindset for WaPo's concert reviewer, it should be good enough to city papER
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maybe someday this forum will evolve into something equally cool. all you boardees with low member numbers - hang in there, the indie poon-train will be pulling in soon!
wait. i thought i was the indie poon train? damnit.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by econo:
I didn't believe people like this actually existed.
have you ever BEEN to potomac?? [/b]
Betty, you seem to know a bit about fashion. I on the other hand, know very, very little and I'm always looking for tips. Can you break this excerpt down for me and let me know what you think of the following style so I know whether or not I should copy it down the next time I go shopping for clothes? I know we've never met personally, but I'm no model - I'm just a working-class guy looking for a style that would be accepted by the fellas at the local bar during happy hour AND would work with the ladies as well, if I were looking for a trip to Poundtown. Thanks.
"Both are wearing polo shirts, collars neatly folded down. The men in the bar sport a classic look: Along with the red polos, they wear blue blazers, madras shorts, loafers, and boat shoes. Khakis are flat-fronted and top-shelf??Brooks Brothers, J. Crew, etc."
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Originally posted by PigIron:
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by econo:
I didn't believe people like this actually existed.
have you ever BEEN to potomac?? [/b]
Betty, you seem to know a bit about fashion. I on the other hand, know very, very little and I'm always looking for tips. Can you break this excerpt down for me and let me know what you think of the following style so I know whether or not I should copy it down the next time I go shopping for clothes? I know we've never met personally, but I'm no model - I'm just a working-class guy looking for a style that would be accepted by the fellas at the local bar during happy hour AND would work with the ladies as well, if I were looking for a trip to Poundtown. Thanks.
"Both are wearing polo shirts, collars neatly folded down. The men in the bar sport a classic look: Along with the red polos, they wear blue blazers, madras shorts, loafers, and boat shoes. Khakis are flat-fronted and top-shelf??Brooks Brothers, J. Crew, etc." [/b]
haha, for real?
okay. so i really don't like grouping or judging people based on what they look like, but if you don't want to get the shit kicked out of you, don't wear it all together at once.
i actually have a lot of preppy clothing because i like having a balance between tailored and crisp and all over the place. i also live in bethesda and have to attend bullshit "society" type events and look somewhat polished without cramping on my personal style. so it is all about balancing.
ex. if you wear a polo (and lacoste polos fit exceptionally and are always a good investment because they never go out of style), maybe wear it with slim fitting jeans and chucks/some other non-preppy shoe. NEVER POP THE COLLAR unless it is a clear 80s reference, or you will look like a complete douchebag.
if you wear madras/plaid shorts (which i think can be really cool if done right), wear them with a funkier tee shirt or blazer or something like that. also, with a different sneaker - flip flops or loafers or birks will make you look preppier.
i recently bought a pair of sperry topsiders, which are great, but i end up wearing them with other really trashy looking things. they are really comfy shoes.
as far as going out to a bar or scoring some ladies, i gotta say i love a boy in a slim fitting polo and slim fitting pants and some bright, cool kicks. also, if you can rock the plaid shorts, do it. but be careful...
in my opinion, wear what you like and what you are comfortable in and wear what makes you happy. but if you are specifically trying to avoid looking too preppy, don't wear it all together at once. it's all about mixing items until you get the desired affect.
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OH and invest in a good pair of jeans. for men my favorites are Levi's, Ksubi, Diesel, and Marc Jacobs. but really anything that fits you well. my number one bone to pick with mens fashion is that most guys put on pants that are too loose or baggy on them and they just get swallowed. just wear something that fits your body. they don't have to be skintight, but just a little tightness even at the top and then some give towards the bottom can be fine - just make sure they fit. when they don't, it just does nothing for you.
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Betty, maybe you should let me handle mens fashion and you can handle chick's fashion.
Originally posted by you be betty:
if you wear a polo...and chucks
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You deserve to be beaten up. If you wear a polo, you had better be on a golf course. And if you're wearing chucks on a golf course, it's probably a laid back enough golf course to wear a t-shirt. Don't mix Chucks and polo shirts. Ever. Chucks are cool, polo shirts are not.
Originally posted by you be betty:
if you wear madras/plaid shorts...wear them with a blazer
Again, you deserve to be beaten up.
If you wear any shorts and a blazer, it's either too cold or not appropriate to wear shorts (or alternatively it's too hot for a blazer or the blazer is over dressing).
Loafers and boat shoes are never appropriate. Not even on a boat. I will no longer argue this, even with people from MA. Even if this works on Nantucket, remember, nobody ever said Nantucket is the place to define fashion since Kennedy was President.
Originally posted by you be betty:
OH and invest in a good pair of jeans...my number one bone to pick with mens fashion is that most guys put on pants that are too loose or baggy on them and they just get swallowed.
She's spot on in her comments about jeans though. Don't be afarid to take some chances with skinnier jeans, just keep them dark. Gentlemen, it's not a crime to show off your package in a smaller pair of jeans.
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i'm spot on with all my other comments, too; sorry i know what i'm talking about :roll:
exhibit A: Voxtrot
some of the cutest and sweetest boys in indie rock right now...and quite well dressed...
<img src="http://www.sesac.com/news/images/voxtrot.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://lunapark6.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/voxtrot.jpg" alt=" - " />
Ramesh. wears his polos well. always a fox.
if you aren't feeling hipster enough in your polo head on over to fucking american apparel...
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Originally posted by you be betty:
OH and invest in a good pair of jeans...my number one bone to pick with mens fashion is that most guys put on pants that are too loose or baggy on them and they just get swallowed.
She's spot on in her comments about jeans though. Don't be afarid to take some chances with skinnier jeans, just keep them dark. Gentlemen, it's not a crime to show off your package in a smaller pair of jeans. [/QB][/QUOTE]
you have to mix it up. have some skinny and some loose. it's not about showing the package but it is about showing you have some shape and are not a blob!
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This was a good article. It's the same thing. Some preppy kids want to be exclusive. If you have no individuality then it sucks to be you. The guys are some big hoes looking to get some and the females will let them because they think they have status. I can't believe that guy asked you about anal sex and to give him a hand job or the interview wouldn't go any further. If you allow someone to treat you like s***, then they will treat you that way. Let them live in their own delusional world. They have a long way to go. It is important that you not identify with a group 100% and have some of your own personality. We all go through the same phase...we are born, we live and breathe and then one day we die. If you want to have friends and associates based on the fact that you are preppy and have a little $$$$ then so be it.
Also, if you go to the pound to much, you're gonna get fleas!!!!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Betty, maybe you should let me handle mens fashion and you can handle chick's fashion...If you wear a polo, you had better be on a golf course...
Loafers and boat shoes are never appropriate. Not even on a boat...
vansmack---a rare occasion---I agree with you completely!
I think maybe the differences in opinion are in part due to age-based P.O.V.'s though...
I think it's best when a guy looks like he has more important things to do with his time than worry about fashion.
Just throw on a cool t-shirt or woven shirt with an interesting yet subtle print and jeans with some kind of boot or sneaker and you're good to go. Or the outdoorsy/hiker look is good.
DC is not a bastion of great men's looks.
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I drove through there once in high school. The houses were pretty big. That's about all I remember.
Originally posted by you be betty:
have you ever BEEN to potomac??
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Betty, maybe you should let me handle mens fashion and you can handle chick's fashion.
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actually betty is spot-on... albeit for men under 30ish. especially with jeans and older(looking), nice and actually vintage pieces up top. i love seeing men in clothes that actuallly fit them. that's my biggest gripe about guys fashion, in fact.
for that LNS crew though, the attire is grown-up frat boy, which is fine. khakis - not cargo or pleated. slim-fitted dress shirts with ties are ok with jeans as well. i just broke up with one of these guys for god's sake. not litterally LNS. but, young republican and that is the attire.
also - if i see a guy in boots anywhere except on a hiking trip thats an instant turnoff.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
exhibit A: Voxtrot
You show me one guy in a polo shirt, who you happen to think is dreamy, and that proves you're right? He could be wearing something hideous and you would still adore him. I would like to point out that the other 4 guys in the picture are not wearing polo shirts! They are actually much better dressed than your McDreamy boy.
Ok, I will title this essay:
The Polo Shirt Phenomenon
Who Plays Polo and Why Haven't They Been Shot?
Let's start with the basics. Who wears polo shirts:
(1) Preppy, mostly white males, ages 16-25, mostly on the eastern seaboard in megalopolis between DC and Boston
(2) A handful of Canadians on the East Coast influenced by fashions of neighboring US cities
(3) Golfers
(4) Tennis players in England who still use wood rackets
(5) A smattering of guys in the south of France who have their collars up and sweaters tied around their necks
(6) Frat Boys in colleges across America
(7) Kids in private schools as part of their required uniform
(8) Guys on yachts
(9) Guys who actually play polo
Now, who on this list has ever been considered cool? After Pony Boy and Johnny (and I guess the city paper article), I think we can rule out 1 and 6. OK, there's a much longer reason why preppy's and frat guys are not cool, but I will just use "The Outsiders" as Exhibit A.
The Canadians have never been cool, save for their moustaches in the 70's - that spread like wild fire. Too bad they still have the 70's version.
3,4 and 5 are basically your dad at one point or another while you were growing up. Admit it.
8 and 9 are the same person. And nobody really likes him.
So that leaves us with 7 - and a good rule with only one exception: if the article of clothing is part of a required school uniform, it cannot be cool. The only excpetion, of course, is the Catholic Schoolgirl Skirt, which is always appropriate.
I've never understood why the polo shirt is so accepted on the East Coast. Betty, next time you come to LA to buy fabric, look around and tell me how many polo shirts you see. Do the same in SF, Seattle, any other major city in America that is not in megalopolis (excpet for Chicago, they tend to copy anybody). When you get to Europe, look around and tell me how many polo shirts you see. Asia, do the same.
And here's the real kicker, something you're completely over looking: How many gay guys do you see wearing polo shirts in public? If gays won't wear it, it can't be good fashion.
So gentlemen, I implore you, when you get your J Crew catalog in the mail, throw it away immediately (after you check out the cute red head with the freckles in the bathing suit section - I just adore her...). It's bad fashion. I used to make an exception for a polo shirt with the Penguin logo on it, but even now, I can no longer do that.
I'm sorry to ruin your entire up bringing by dropping this knowledge on you. You've become accustomed to it by virtue of your surroundings so it's not your fault, but I'm sorry, Polo Shirts are bad fashion.
And just the fact that someone would ever consider putting a blazer over a polo shirt, well that is just an amazing faux pas that I didn't even think existed. But then again, I haven't lived on the east coast in years....
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My Father will wear polo shirts until the day he dies. He may suffer from bad fashion but he's a good man so I have to let it slide.
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I had to do this once on a business trip. I felt like an asshole.
Originally posted by vansmack:
And just the fact that someone would ever consider putting a blazer over a polo shirt, well that is just an amazing faux pas that I didn't even think existed. But then again, I haven't lived on the east coast in years....
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Polo shirts are no good? I'm friggin' screwed then. What if you're over 30, like I am? Does that matter? If not polo shirts, what? Button-down shirts?
With the exception of interviews, weddings, and the like, I have never, ever considered wearing a blazer anywhere. I had to Google "madras shorts" and "boat shoes" and now realize that they mean "colorful, checkered shorts" and "those gay shoes I had to wear when I went to Catholic school for two years as a kid", respectively.
I don't want jeans that are drooping off my ass but there is no way that I'm wearing tight jeans, as I feel that I'm too old to be showcasing the curvature of my nutsack to people in public.
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Here's a simple tip Pig, that will surely get you noticed by the ladies. You'll take a little heat from the guys, but it's just jealousy. Trust me.
Buy a white belt. Not one with studs or holes, just a regular width, simple white leather belt. Wear it with your jeans and a shorter t-shirt or vintage looking short sleeve button down that is slightly covering your belt but not too much so that when you reach for a drink, your belt is exposed. Trust me. I wear mine all the time and I don't go a week without a girl pointing it out and complimenting it.
It says stylish and bold, but is subtle enough to make you feel comfortable wearing it.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Here's a simple tip Pig, that will surely get you noticed by the ladies...Buy a white belt.
You're kidding, right? This is, like, Killers circa '04...
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You're still wrong.
If you don't like polos that's fine, it's your personal style. But really, they CAN be worn if you aren't a preppy asshole. You can wear a slim fitting polo with slim fitting pants and huge, colorful hi top nike dunks for example and look great.
That guy from Voxtrot looks good in what he is wearing and that's why I posted it. Fits him well.
These looks from Dior Homme are quite nice...
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2005MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00041m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00330m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00520m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00540m.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
wait. i thought i was the indie poon train? damnit.
<img src="http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/ic0nslave/HeadExplode.gif" alt=" - " />
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
for that LNS crew though, the attire is grown-up frat boy, which is fine. khakis - not cargo or pleated. slim-fitted dress shirts with ties are ok with jeans as well. i just broke up with one of these guys for god's sake. not litterally LNS. but, young republican and that is the attire.
well congrats on ditching the young GOP, but i don't think the frat boy look is even good for frat boys, let alone anyone who has graduated.
ugh, pass the krazy glue.
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That's nice, Betty...but those guys are like 17. Pigiron is over 30, and Vansmack is 35ish. Yes. those outfits looks fine on 17 year old models on a runway, but would you recommend them for average looking over 30 guys?
Originally posted by you be betty:
You're still wrong.
If you don't like polos that's fine, it's your personal style. But really, they CAN be worn if you aren't a preppy asshole. You can wear a slim fitting polo with slim fitting pants and huge, colorful hi top nike dunks for example and look great.
That guy from Voxtrot looks good in what he is wearing and that's why I posted it. Fits him well.
These looks from Dior Homme are quite nice...
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These guys need to eat. They're like 6'4" 130#
Originally posted by you be betty:
These looks from Dior Homme are quite nice...
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2005MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00041m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00330m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00520m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00540m.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Re: Dior Homme looks---
I'll give you the first shot, that's reasonable. The other three are straight up laughable. Fashion sucks.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Re: Dior Homme looks---
I'll give you the first shot, that's reasonable. The other three are straight up laughable. Fashion sucks.
Yeah, I have to agree with that.
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Pigiron: I'm with you on the slim jeans. Then again, I'm a waist 34, so I'll never fit slim jeans. Just get some dark blue regular fit Levis and pair them with a nice all black t-shirt. And black shoes or boots. Don't wear sneakers/running shoes, save them for the gym.
Polo shirts are fine if they're in a basic solid dark color.
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I can almost hear Flock of Seagulls playing in the background.
Seriously -- this look was stupid in 1984 and it's just as stupid in 2007.
Originally posted by you be betty:
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2005MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00041m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00330m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00520m.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by ggw?:
I can almost hear Flock of Seagulls playing in the background.
BWAAAHAAHAHAHA!!! too funny :)
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this thread makes me feel proud to be a slob who wears band t-shirts, slightly baggy jeans, and chuck taylors or plain black shoes/boots. when you are spending too much time thinking about how you look, you're not spending enough time on more important issues.
and those pictures betty posted are just as laughable as those materialistic LNS douchebags.
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I dress like the description above (snailhook's). I appreciate all the input, but with the exception of Charlie Nakatestes' ideas, none of these would work on me. If I ever wore a white belt, I'd be dragged out of the bar by my own friends and beaten with it.
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i'm not telling you all to dress like that. actually, please do not.
those were just examples of some things that i liked done with polos.
there is nothing wrong with wearing a band shirt and jeans and not giving a fuck what you look like. that's perfectly fine with me.
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Originally posted by PigIron:
I dress like the description above (snailhook's). I appreciate all the input, but with the exception of Charlie Nakatestes' ideas, none of these would work on me. If I ever wore a white belt, I'd be dragged out of the bar by my own friends and beaten with it.
and if your friends would be that judgemental of what you wore, maybe they shouldn't be your friends...
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Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by PigIron:
I dress like the description above (snailhook's). I appreciate all the input, but with the exception of Charlie Nakatestes' ideas, none of these would work on me. If I ever wore a white belt, I'd be dragged out of the bar by my own friends and beaten with it.
and if your friends would be that judgemental of what you wore, maybe they shouldn't be your friends... [/b]
OK, Mom.
Seriously, I have no problem with any of the ideas in this post. I think the pictures look great. But I know damn well I wouldn't get away with it, thats all. Everybody has their own thing. I wouldn't say I'm necessarily "proud" of the way I dress, but I don't think I'm comfortable doing anything else. And although I don't live in the Fashion Kingdom, I'm hoping polos are OK.
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Why did you ask a 17 year old girl for fashion advice in the first place? ;) She's gonna tell you what she likes to see on a 17 year old boy.
It sounds like you have a pretty good sense of what works for you and what feels right, anyway.
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As a student studying fashion, i thought i'd add my opinion into the mix. While youbebetty made some good points, not everyone wants to look like a hybrid of the preppy/scenester ??looks?. I think what is most important in menswear is to have stable pieces. Whether it be a jacket or a nice pair of shoes and work around that piece. A nice sports coat with a pair of dark washed jeans and a nice pair of shoes is comfortable but not too casual. Layering and subtle use of bright colors mixed with darker more monotone pieces also works well. I think its possible to look really put together without it looking like you tried very hard. I find the most stylish outfits are the ones that look effortless.
Some looks I find quite nice
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/MissBlueLovesYou/FASHION/menswear4.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/MissBlueLovesYou/FASHION/menswear6.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/MissBlueLovesYou/FASHION/menswear8.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Why did you ask a 17 year old girl for fashion advice in the first place? ;) She's gonna tell you what she likes to see on a 17 year old boy.
It sounds like you have a pretty good sense of what works for you and what feels right, anyway.
My initial question (scroll up) was asked half-jokingly (at the expense of the boys in the article, not Betty's). When she answered (very kindly, honestly, and sincerely) everything took a new twist and topic actually turned to fashion.
Although I have a good sense of what feels right for me, I know I'm not the most fashionable guy and I appreciate input. I think you can ask anyone for fashion pointers. If I go to the store for clothes, I don't request someone my age, I really just want someone who knows a shitload about clothes. If I took the advice from 30-ish guys I work with or live around, I would probably end up looking like a retard.
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If you'd like to purchase me any of the first three outfits, I'd happily wear them.
Originally posted by D.:
As a student studying fashion, i thought i'd add my opinion into the mix. While youbebetty made some good points, not everyone wants to look like a hybrid of the preppy/scenester ??looks?. I think what is most important in menswear is to have stable pieces. Whether it be a jacket or a nice pair of shoes and work around that piece. A nice sports coat with a pair of dark washed jeans and a nice pair of shoes is comfortable but not too casual. Layering and subtle use of bright colors mixed with darker more monotone pieces also works well. I think its possible to look really put together without it looking like you tried very hard. I find the most stylish outfits are the ones that look effortless.
Some looks I find quite nice
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/MissBlueLovesYou/FASHION/menswear4.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/MissBlueLovesYou/FASHION/menswear6.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/MissBlueLovesYou/FASHION/menswear8.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/MissBlueLovesYou/FASHION/menswear-1.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by PigIron:
If I took the advice from 30-ish guys I work with or live around, I would probably end up looking like a retard.
Ha ha...that's probably true!
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by PigIron:
If I took the advice from 30-ish guys I work with or live around, I would probably end up looking like a retard.
Ha ha...that's probably true! [/b]
Its absolutely true. I'm a 34-years old. I don't normally care much about fashion, but still I want to avoid looking like a total ass. I'm a high school teacher. Its common knowledge that public school teachers are at the bottom of the fashion scale. Its unfortunate but true. (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28507)
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Originally posted by you be betty:
also, if you can rock the plaid shorts, do it. but be careful...
you can take the girl out of Bethesda, but you can't take Bethesda out of the girl :p
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yeah it was probably a bad time to ask considering i'm at fashion school right now...um.
you guys are taking this all way too literally- there are ways to take those looks posted above and make them more appropriate for older guys. like said, staple pieces.
(and by the way, i have only once in my life ever dated someone who was actually the same age as me, so no, this is not what i want a 17 year old boy to look like).
if you take some of the dior homme looks i posted earlier and subtract the suspenders, hats, sunglasses and other accessories, you are left with a slim fitting polo and a slim fitting pair of pants. this look is ageless, timeless, and crisp. now add your choice of shoes (my personal favorites being of course your oldest pair of chucks), and you have a solid outfit.
polos are not my personal favorite item of menswear, but they can be a very nice wardrobe staple and they can work quite well depending on the context.
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You have to be sure of the jeans you pick....you don't want a mammel toe....not cool! Cheap Monday jeans are too tight. You don't need to feel like you can't breathe.
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there are times where i am glad i don't live in dc and just show up for shows!
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Originally posted by distance:
there are times where i am glad i don't live in dc and just show up for shows!
men's fashion here is pretty bad. ha.
and i'm the girl at work that critiques what everyone is wearing.
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by distance:
there are times where i am glad i don't live in dc and just show up for shows!
men's fashion here is pretty bad. ha.
and i'm the girl at work that critiques what everyone is wearing. [/b]
that's easy to say when we can't see you!!!!
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Originally posted by bull930:
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by distance:
there are times where i am glad i don't live in dc and just show up for shows!
men's fashion here is pretty bad. ha.
and i'm the girl at work that critiques what everyone is wearing. [/b]
that's easy to say when we can't see you!!!! [/b]
what's easy to say? it's true. dc isn't known for high fashion, which is pretty well known.
besides, enough people here have seen me - whatever that has to do with anything.
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
it's true. dc isn't known for high fashion, which is pretty well known.
IMO, boston is definitely worse than DC. in beantown, it is all about sportwear for the man-on-the-street. even new IT/biotech money doesn't know how to dress itself any other way than through A&F.
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by distance:
there are times where i am glad i don't live in dc and just show up for shows!
men's fashion here is pretty bad. ha.
and i'm the girl at work that critiques what everyone is wearing. [/b]
i'm in the club of not caring about fashion at all. i mean i don't want to look like i'm homeless or anything, but i'm not willing to throw a lot of money at clothes (i look more for functionality) and i don't chase trends.
at times i hate living down here (Richmond) because i have to drive 2 hours to go to most anything interesting -- and while there is drama here, i avoid most of it by being anti-social -- but i don't have to deal with a lot of the nova/dc stuff. pros and cons i guess.
overall, though, i should probably get out more.
... of course i'd have nothing to do with this cra because i don't go to bars other than for shows.
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Originally posted by you be betty: yeah it was probably a bad time to ask considering i'm at fashion school right now...um.
which school?
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by bull930:
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by distance:
there are times where i am glad i don't live in dc and just show up for shows!
men's fashion here is pretty bad. ha.
and i'm the girl at work that critiques what everyone is wearing. [/b]
that's easy to say when we can't see you!!!! [/b]
what's easy to say? it's true. dc isn't known for high fashion, which is pretty well known.
besides, enough people here have seen me - whatever that has to do with anything. [/b]
maybe to some you might not be as fashionable as you think!!!
you have to care about clothes because they make a first impression. It says alot about you. It could say you are lazy or a scumbag. You want it to say you're upbeat and positive and care about something.
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Originally posted by D.:
Originally posted by you be betty: yeah it was probably a bad time to ask considering i'm at fashion school right now...um.
which school? [/b]
RISD
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Originally posted by bull930:
maybe to some you might not be as fashionable as you think!!!
you have to care about clothes because they make a first impression. It says alot about you. It could say you are lazy or a scumbag. You want it to say you're upbeat and positive and care about something.
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Thats horrible. I agree, that in some cases, dress makes a first impression. But in most cases, people who go around judging people based on fashion are scumbags themselves. You know damn well that you know people who are positive and care about things but don't have the best fashion sense.
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Originally posted by PigIron:
Originally posted by bull930:
maybe to some you might not be as fashionable as you think!!!
you have to care about clothes because they make a first impression. It says alot about you. It could say you are lazy or a scumbag. You want it to say you're upbeat and positive and care about something.
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Thats horrible. I agree, that in some cases, dress makes a first impression. But in most cases, people who go around judging people based on fashion are scumbags themselves. You know damn well that you know people who are positive and care about things but don't have the best fashion sense. [/b]
can you do me a favor and take a deep breath.....now, all I am saying is that it is a first impression. at a certain point fashion goes out of the door. you are not friends with people because of how they dress( if you are you need a reality check!!!),but because you like them as people regardless of exterior issues.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Here's a simple tip Pig, that will surely get you noticed by the ladies. You'll take a little heat from the guys, but it's just jealousy. Trust me.
Buy a white belt. Not one with studs or holes, just a regular width, simple white leather belt. Wear it with your jeans and a shorter t-shirt or vintage looking short sleeve button down that is slightly covering your belt but not too much so that when you reach for a drink, your belt is exposed. Trust me. I wear mine all the time and I don't go a week without a girl pointing it out and complimenting it.
It says stylish and bold, but is subtle enough to make you feel comfortable wearing it.
Be sure not to make the shirt to short.....we don't want to see the flabby chest. I can't understand when guys wear shirts too small.....if you're suppose to wear an XL don't try to squeeze into a L....it shows your out of shape and shows that pot belly!
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Originally posted by you be betty:
you guys are taking this all way too literally- there are ways to take those looks posted above and make them more appropriate for older guys...
this is true, of course...it seems no one is really expected to wear runway looks on the street...it's just a place to showcase concepts & elements that can be adapted into everyday
however, 30-something, earnest HS teacher is not going to know this...if he's like my husband, he will take many things very literally indeed...
this is where things like "What not to wear" and "10 years younger" can be helpful
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Originally posted by you be betty:
You're still wrong.
If you don't like polos that's fine, it's your personal style. But really, they CAN be worn if you aren't a preppy asshole. You can wear a slim fitting polo with slim fitting pants and huge, colorful hi top nike dunks for example and look great.
That guy from Voxtrot looks good in what he is wearing and that's why I posted it. Fits him well.
These looks from Dior Homme are quite nice...
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2005MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00041m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00330m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00520m.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/fashionshows/S2006MEN/CDMEN/RUNWAY/00540m.jpg" alt=" - " />
In the 1st look the pants are cool and the shoes(the rest is a mismatch)
In the 2nd look, the pants are highwaters and the rest is a mess.
In the 3rd it is the same.
And in the 4th it is truly a hot mess!!!
I could go and spend my money elsewear....K-mart has better! A couple of thousand goes a long way for what you can get for pennies!
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now add your choice of shoes (my personal favorites being of course your oldest pair of chucks [/QB]
Sorry but hello to the no on chucks!
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Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by D.:
Originally posted by you be betty: yeah it was probably a bad time to ask considering i'm at fashion school right now...um.
which school? [/b]
RISD [/b]
I thought you were in HS in Bethesda...I think I missed something...
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I think the point is that those guys are complete tools, and they'd be so even if they were wearing Wilco shirts rather than Polo shirts.
The clothing does not an asshole make, and in my experience it's not a reliable way to judge what someone will be like.
Whoever mentioned Brightest Young Things also hit the nail on the head... exactly the same combination of "we're so cool" 'tude with lack of actual coolness...
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For the record, I'm 33 with the body of the guys in first set of pictures betty posted that proved my point that polos are bad fashion. I'm constantly carded going to bars, going six feet plus, around 145 pounds, 30 inch waist with a baby face. When I shave, which is rare these days so I can look older, I can pass for early 20's, so I don't consider fashion dead to me yet, unlike the other 30+ year olds on the board. Plus, I don't live in conservative DC - fashion is very alive in SF.
Lastly, I never joke about the white belt. It's a chick magnet. If your boys are going to beat you up, it just proves my point - you're going to get noticed wearing it and that's all you want. If up to your mind to take care of the rest.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by D.:
Originally posted by you be betty: yeah it was probably a bad time to ask considering i'm at fashion school right now...um.
which school? [/b]
RISD [/b]
I thought you were in HS in Bethesda...I think I missed something... [/b]
i am, but i am graduating next year so i am at a pre-college intensive thing for the summer...
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Originally posted by bull930:
Originally posted by PigIron:
Originally posted by bull930:
maybe to some you might not be as fashionable as you think!!!
you have to care about clothes because they make a first impression. It says alot about you. It could say you are lazy or a scumbag. You want it to say you're upbeat and positive and care about something.
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Thats horrible. I agree, that in some cases, dress makes a first impression. But in most cases, people who go around judging people based on fashion are scumbags themselves. You know damn well that you know people who are positive and care about things but don't have the best fashion sense. [/b]
can you do me a favor and take a deep breath.....now, all I am saying is that it is a first impression. at a certain point fashion goes out of the door. you are not friends with people because of how they dress( if you are you need a reality check!!!),but because you like them as people regardless of exterior issues. [/b]
I probably misread you. Sorry.
But there is no way chucks are inappropriate. I might not know a lot about fashion, but Chuck Taylors are great for any occasion, any age group, and any clothes you decide to wear. End of story.
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Originally posted by PigIron:
But there is no way chucks are inappropriate. I might not know a lot about fashion, but Chuck Taylors are great for any occasion, any age group, and any clothes you decide to wear. End of story.
I picked up a girl on the Metro because of my Chucks once... she just came up to me and said she liked my shoes, and she ended up giving me her number right before I got off at Bethesda. But despite that, there are occasions for which Chucks are not appropriate... plus they give you no support...
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Isn't that where Lightning Bolt went?
Not exactly the most fashionable guys ever. :)
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by D.:
Originally posted by you be betty: yeah it was probably a bad time to ask considering i'm at fashion school right now...um.
which school? [/b]
RISD [/b]
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Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Originally posted by PigIron:
But there is no way chucks are inappropriate. I might not know a lot about fashion, but Chuck Taylors are great for any occasion, any age group, and any clothes you decide to wear. End of story.
I picked up a girl on the Metro because of my Chucks once... she just came up to me and said she liked my shoes, and she ended up giving me her number right before I got off at Bethesda. But despite that, there are occasions for which Chucks are not appropriate... plus they give you no support... [/b]
OK, I'm not going to slip on a pair before running a 10K. But anything else...
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Originally posted by PigIron:
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Originally posted by PigIron:
But there is no way chucks are inappropriate. I might not know a lot about fashion, but Chuck Taylors are great for any occasion, any age group, and any clothes you decide to wear. End of story.
I picked up a girl on the Metro because of my Chucks once... she just came up to me and said she liked my shoes, and she ended up giving me her number right before I got off at Bethesda. But despite that, there are occasions for which Chucks are not appropriate... plus they give you no support... [/b]
OK, I'm not going to slip on a pair before running a 10K. But anything else... [/b]
Alright, fashionable people, honest question: Jack Purcell's. They look like Chuck's, and I got a pair for being a groomsman (all of us had black/white Jack's to go with tux at the reception), and now I'm deciding when/where it's OK to wear these. I'll admit, I'm a running shoe devotee...would Jack's be an upgrade?
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Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Isn't that where Lightning Bolt went?
Not exactly the most fashionable guys ever. :)
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by D.:
Originally posted by you be betty: yeah it was probably a bad time to ask considering i'm at fashion school right now...um.
which school? [/b]
RISD [/b]
[/b]
They dress just fine. And even if they didn't...great fucking band. I really don't judge.
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I'm sorry. I don't see how any adult wears Chucks without looking like some 12 year old actor at the Oscars.
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Thank you.
I was trying to tell my wife just that, but she wouldn't listen.
Plus, they really, really smell.
Originally posted by econo:
I'm sorry. I don't see how any adult wears Chucks without looking like some 12 year old actor at the Oscars.
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Originally posted by econo:
I'm sorry. I don't see how any adult wears Chucks without looking like some 12 year old actor at the Oscars.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/grafixchik/132109688/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/grafixchik/132109688/)
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so smackie is special dispensation granted to people who bought the limited edition Paul Weller Fred Perry polo? not that i could ever have gotten one seeing as they were 85 quid...
so i'm guessin' the fashion faux pas incurred by buying a Ben Sherman polo at Costco is pretty high... It goes nicely with the OP shorts bought the same day ;)
but seriously, as i told kosmette to after wandering the mall post seeing harry potter it's really easy for me to shop anymore seeing as i refuse to buy stripy polos and plaid shirts which dominates 75% of men's causual fashions anymore. most of the rest the "edgy" graphic t-shirts.... give me a nice 60's inspired geometric print shirt anytime, which are to find
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chucks look good with everything. even fancy dresses.
and they only smell if you don't wear socks!!
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Originally posted by kosmo:
but seriously, as i told kosmette to after wandering the mall post seeing harry potter it's really easy for me to shop anymore seeing as i refuse to buy stripy polos and plaid shirts which dominates 75% of men's causual fashions anymore. most of the rest the "edgy" graphic t-shirts.... give me a nice 60's inspired geometric print shirt anytime, which are to find
Can... can... can I buy drugs from you?
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Originally posted by you be betty:
chucks look good with everything. even fancy dresses.
and they only smell if you don't wear socks!!
only on a select few.
most of the time i can't pull my chucks off with anything but jeans. but i think it's because i have big feet :(
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Bull930's fashion tips will lead you directly to Poundtown . . . maybe in Sweden. How do you say Poundtown in Swedish?
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Bull930's fashion tips will lead you directly to Poundtown . . . maybe in Sweden. How do you say Poundtown in Swedish?
"Bultastad"
Sure Chucks smell after awhile. They also get a weird film of some kind that develops from the inside if you don't wear socks - but keep in mind that at 30 bucks a pop, who cares? There are alot of clothing items that have an age limit. I just don't think that Chucks are one of them.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
so smackie is special dispensation granted to people who bought the limited edition Paul Weller Fred Perry polo? not that i could ever have gotten one seeing as they were 85 quid...
Too much money in too few places
Only puts a smile on particular faces
Said too much power in not enough hands
Makes me think get rich quick; take all I can
Theyre too busy spending on the means of destruction
To ever spend a penny on some real construction
Watch the money-go-round; watch the money-go-round
They amuse themselves as they fool around
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
Do like they say, make them vulnerable
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Bull930's fashion tips will lead you directly to Poundtown . . . maybe in Sweden. How do you say Poundtown in Swedish?
That's easy to say when no one sees you.....you always wear socks with shoes.....you probably wear socks and sandals!!!
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Originally posted by PigIron:
Originally posted by Mobius:
Bull930's fashion tips will lead you directly to Poundtown . . . maybe in Sweden. How do you say Poundtown in Swedish?
"Bultastad"
Sure Chucks smell after awhile. They also get a weird film of some kind that develops from the inside if you don't wear socks - but keep in mind that at 30 bucks a pop, who cares? There are alot of clothing items that have an age limit. I just don't think that Chucks are one of them. [/b]
Chucks are just utterly awful....especially if you are above a size 10. You don't want your feet to look clown size! For $30 you can get a better shoes that will last longer.....you need some cushion on your shoe. Chucks remind me of a bowling shoe somewhat.....plus it will stick because you have no support....maybe some people like smelling toejam!!!
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Bull930's fashion tips will lead you directly to Poundtown . . . maybe in Sweden. How do you say Poundtown in Swedish?
I see you been pounded too many times and gotten a case of the fleas....go to the doctor and get that cleared up!
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Originally posted by PigIron:
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by PigIron:
If I took the advice from 30-ish guys I work with or live around, I would probably end up looking like a retard.
Ha ha...that's probably true! [/b]
Its absolutely true. I'm a 34-years old. I don't normally care much about fashion, but still I want to avoid looking like a total ass. I'm a high school teacher. Its common knowledge that public school teachers are at the bottom of the fashion scale. Its unfortunate but true. (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28507) [/b]
Clothes are a personal expression of you....
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you guys must have really gross feet or some shit.
i have had this one pair of chucks for six years now...holes everywhere...they are all shredded on the inside, but no, they do not smell.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
you guys must have really gross feet or some shit.
i have had this one pair of chucks for six years now...holes everywhere...they are all shredded on the inside, but no, they do not smell.
congrats! you take care of yourself....and clean those feet like you should. no toejam for you.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Bull930's fashion tips will lead you directly to Poundtown . . . maybe in Sweden. How do you say Poundtown in Swedish?
Early contender for post of the week.
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Vansmack. Why all the unbridled hate for polo shirts? Are you talking about true polo shirts? The ones with rubber buttons? Fred Perry? You hate polos almost as much as I hate Bruce Springsteen and the Beatles.
Chuck Taylors are cool but I don't think they make them in size 15. Plus my feet are grotesquely wide. I have to shop from the OddBall shoe catalog. I feel like Peggy Hill.
I always try to model my mode of dress after these chaps:
<img src="http://www.photofeatures.com/rollingstones/images/prevs/r01-65-052a.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://images.google.com/url?q=http://991.com/newgallery/Blur-Modern-Life-Is-Ru-35824.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEW2UQ3zcI2nldUzswvEw2Sm3iuQg" alt=" - " />
Brian
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by kosmo:
but seriously, as i told kosmette to after wandering the mall post seeing harry potter it's really easy for me to shop anymore seeing as i refuse to buy stripy polos and plaid shirts which dominates 75% of men's causual fashions anymore. most of the rest the "edgy" graphic t-shirts.... give me a nice 60's inspired geometric print shirt anytime, which are to find
Can... can... can I buy drugs from you? [/b]
i should add the qualifier of non garish to my geometric print choice, as Kosmette has a certain image to maintain. besides you wont find any gold chains, polyester bell bottoms or platform shoes in the closet.
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fashion is the new indie rock.
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why don't you guys go to high end vintage shops? are there good ones in the DC area, btw?
don't believe bull930 about k-mart. I go there for toiletries, nothing else.
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I realize that you are from Bethesda, and thus your shit don't stink.
But please don't tell me your feet don't stink, because, frankly, I aint buying it.
Originally posted by you be betty:
you guys must have really gross feet or some shit.
i have had this one pair of chucks for six years now...holes everywhere...they are all shredded on the inside, but no, they do not smell.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
RISD
I thought you were in HS in Bethesda...I think I missed something... [/b]
Originally posted by you be betty:
i am, but i am graduating next year so i am at a pre-college intensive thing for the summer...
That's great! Sounds like a cool opportunity...
"Carry on!"
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
But please don't tell me your feet don't stink, because, frankly, I aint buying it.
based on my experience, women's feet just don't stank as much as men's. maybe it's all the open-toe shoes. maybe it's men's hairier feet. maybe it's because the ladies bathe more often. whatever it is, i can belive that her chucks still smell acceptable (especially if she's never sweats/exercises in them).
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You've got an answer for everything, don't you?
Do you go around smelling mens feet?
Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
But please don't tell me your feet don't stink, because, frankly, I aint buying it.
based on my experience, women's feet just don't stank as much as men's. maybe it's all the open-toe shoes. maybe it's men's hairier feet. maybe it's because the ladies bathe more often. whatever it is, i can belive that her chucks still smell acceptable (especially if she's never sweats/exercises in them). [/b]
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I'll agree that there's nothing wrong with polo shirts but goddamn that shit you posted as some sort of example is fruity to the 10th power, that shit does NOT look good under ANY circumstances.
Originally posted by you be betty:
You're still wrong.
If you don't like polos that's fine, it's your personal style. But really, they CAN be worn if you aren't a preppy asshole. You can wear a slim fitting polo with slim fitting pants and huge, colorful hi top nike dunks for example and look great.
That guy from Voxtrot looks good in what he is wearing and that's why I posted it. Fits him well.
These looks from Dior Homme are quite nice...
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
You've got an answer for everything, don't you?
no, i happen to have an opinion that may or may not line up with yours :roll: you'll note that i said "based on my experience". it's limited.
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For real....those guys look completely silly. Especially that last guy...those pants look like those wierd pants weighlifters used to wear. You know the ones with zebra or tiger prints on them? Seriously he looks like an extra in a Culture Club video.
I used to be pretty crusty in my late teens and early to mid 20's Group houses and general disregard for things like clean socks and scrubbing tubs left me with chronic athletes foot. Talk about some stinky feet...and nothing like a pair of old chucks to let those babies marinate. Of course now they smell like roses now.
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ewwwww.
no, i try to take good care of my shoes. it's something you learn how to do when you are buying expensive shoes. things like, trying to wear socks and stuff. keeping your feet clean. etc.
i don't wear chucks without socks because if i did, they'd get blisters. but my chucks don't smell. sometimes my ballet flats do. but not my chucks. as long as you've got proper socks on, you are solid gold.....
AND whoever suggested "high end thrift shops"...congratulations! you know how to throw away your money!
instead you could like, so totally go to an actual thrift shop and find the same stuff without the markup. i'd rather get my hands dirty than pay $50 for something i can get for $2.
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betty, i'd never pay $50 for a piece of vintage clothing. The ones I'm referring to sell, on average, $12-$20 and they do look good :)
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Shout out to Zubaz yo! haha
The first thing I thought when I saw those pictures (ESPECIALLY the last 3) is that the designer pictured himself costuming a 80's era ska band that subscribed to an alternative lifestyle.
Originally posted by chaz:
For real....those guys look completely silly. Especially that last guy...those pants look like those wierd pants weighlifters used to wear. You know the ones with zebra or tiger prints on them? Seriously he looks like an extra in a Culture Club video.
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Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
betty, i'd never pay $50 for a piece of vintage clothing. The ones I'm referring to sell, on average, $12-$20 and they do look good :)
you're still paying too much!
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Originally posted by you be betty:
you're still paying too much!
My time is worth much more to me than the $20 I spend on a shirt.
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Not if it saves him hours of picking through Goodwill trash. Time is money!
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
betty, i'd never pay $50 for a piece of vintage clothing. The ones I'm referring to sell, on average, $12-$20 and they do look good :)
you're still paying too much! [/b]
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I don't shop at goodwill... =)
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Not if it saves him hours of picking through Goodwill trash. Time is money!
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Seriously....i just don't have time anymore to spend hours and hours digging through clothes that are sorted by color....
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I have enough clothes to last me for the next ten years, except for socks and underwear...
It's baby and children's stuff that I'll be hitting Goodwill for. Like the Baby Jogger Stroller that I got for $15 the other day.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by Mobius:
Bull930's fashion tips will lead you directly to Poundtown . . . maybe in Sweden. How do you say Poundtown in Swedish?
Early contender for post of the week. [/b]
you like to get pounded en Sweden.
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Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
why don't you guys go to high end vintage shops? are there good ones in the DC area, btw?
don't believe bull930 about k-mart. I go there for toiletries, nothing else.
my point is that you don't have to pay alot of $$$$ to be stylish!
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I realize that you are from Bethesda, and thus your shit don't stink.
But please don't tell me your feet don't stink, because, frankly, I aint buying it.
Originally posted by you be betty:
you guys must have really gross feet or some shit.
i have had this one pair of chucks for six years now...holes everywhere...they are all shredded on the inside, but no, they do not smell.
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good one!
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
But please don't tell me your feet don't stink, because, frankly, I aint buying it.
based on my experience, women's feet just don't stank as much as men's. maybe it's all the open-toe shoes. maybe it's men's hairier feet. maybe it's because the ladies bathe more often. whatever it is, i can belive that her chucks still smell acceptable (especially if she's never sweats/exercises in them). [/b]
womens feet are 10X worse. it's all a matter of cleaning.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
betty, i'd never pay $50 for a piece of vintage clothing. The ones I'm referring to sell, on average, $12-$20 and they do look good :)
you're still paying too much! [/b]
it depends on the quality and how much it was originally.
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Days after reading the article, I'm still laughing at a 27 year old saying something like this:
??People who dress like they just got off a Cancun party boat,? he tells me, referring to the dreaded turbo, ??are not the type of people I want to associate with, especially as I transition into full adulthood.?
You're 27 and you're still transitioning into adulthood?? Seriously?
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30 is the new 20. Some people think being in their 20's is a free ticket for behaving irresponsibly.
Originally posted by Brandon Brendall, the thief:
Days after reading the article, I'm still laughing at a 27 year old saying something like this:
??People who dress like they just got off a Cancun party boat,? he tells me, referring to the dreaded turbo, ??are not the type of people I want to associate with, especially as I transition into full adulthood.?
You're 27 and you're still transitioning into adulthood?? Seriously? [/b]
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I guess these are the same people whose parents still give them allowance until they are in their late 20's...I can see how that can retard one's perspective on the adulthood transition.
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I hope all those yuppie chicks in the article get *Date Raped in the backseat of their Republican lover's black Mercedes..
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Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
I hope all those yuppie chicks in the article get *Date Raped in the backseat of their Republican lover's black Mercedes..
Go away.
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Can we please retire the word "yuppie"?
I'm wearing seersucker pants, a pea green polo, and brown Campers today. I'll bet Youbebetty would approve. Or maybe I need some Chucks and suspenders and a bowtie.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Can we please retire the word "yuppie"?
I'm wearing seersucker pants, a pea green polo, and brown Campers today. I'll bet Youbebetty would approve. Or maybe I need some Chucks and suspenders and a bowtie.
i thought your name was colin meloy for a second. he kept asking if his ass looked ok in his seersucker pants. - damn if colin is wearing it, im sure its definitely acceptable :D
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Originally posted by bull930:
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
betty, i'd never pay $50 for a piece of vintage clothing. The ones I'm referring to sell, on average, $12-$20 and they do look good :)
you're still paying too much! [/b]
it depends on the quality and how much it was originally. [/b]
If you're getting your thrifty clothes in some other manner than this, you're paying too much!
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HAHAHAHA!
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Or maybe I need some Chucks and suspenders and a bowtie.