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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: eyes713 on November 28, 2005, 12:53:00 pm
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What is with all the rude people that consistantly run their mouths during shows? Does anyone else have this problem or do I emit some sort of pheromone that attracts people too stupid to realize that there is a band on the stage? A band that I presume they wanted to see live since they paid good money to get in the door in the first place! I for one, DID pay money to see the band. I don't go to the Club when I am not interested in the band that is playing. I also don't go to the Club to hear what my neighboring patrons ate for lunch, what they have to do the following day at work, the latest movie they saw, what kind of funny noise their car is making, etc. I don't care if you are trying to get laid. Oh and I really don't care about your friend on the other end of the cell connection that is trying to hear the band that they didn't care enough to come see!
Now normally, I can turn around and ask people to keep it down, they'll stop and I (along with everyone around me) can enjoy the show. Once in awhile there will be some drunk idiot that insists on being a bigger ass afterwards. Anyone that was at the MMW show can attest to that because there was a huge ass in the VIP section that night. I encountered a truely top of the line moron at the HIM show though. One that didn't take to kindly to me asking her to be quiet. She insisted that people talk at concerts all the time (here's a clue idiot, they don't talk while the artist is playing) and that I was too old to be at a show anyways. Funny. She then ruined HER evening by yelling at me and throwing drinks on me for the rest of the set. I know her evening was ruined because she surely couldn't hear what they played. Her anger at the nerve of someone over the age of thirty asking her to be quiet overtook her. Poor baby. Guess she will have to travel all the way to Finland to hear HIM now. Hopefully she won't run her mouth at the next one.
So here is my advice to all of you incessant talkers...It is okay to talk between sets. It is even okay to turn to your buddy during a song to talk about how excited you are to be hearing your favorite song. It is okay to talk when the band asks you to. You should remember that the artist would appreciate it just as much as the patrons if you would shut up and listen.
Please just think about the reason everyone is there before you start your conversation. If you listen to the show, you'll probably actually enjoy it!
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I cannot for the life of me decide what would be less enjoyable: listening to HIM, or hearing the conversation of fans of a band as shitty as HIM.
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I agree that the talkers have become more of a problem lately -- especially at the Black Cat. I try to glare, but most of the gabbers are either too clueless or too inconsiderate to take notice.
I have noticed that moving away from the bar area can be helpful, as there is a significant correlation between alcohol and blabbermouth.
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Who are MMV and HIM?
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in general I think they are everywhere - yet another example of the general erosion in manners and respect for others
at the Andrew Bird show last week the chatter was particularly bad regardless of where in the room you stood
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I agree that the talkers have become more of a problem lately -- especially at the Black Cat. I try to glare, but most of the gabbers are either too clueless or too inconsiderate to take notice.
I have noticed that moving away from the bar area can be helpful, as there is a significant correlation between alcohol and blabbermouth.
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I can say it is not a DC thing, the Long Winters apologized for interrupting the many conversations at their show last week.
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Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
Who are MMV?
Medicines for Malaria Venture (http://www.mmv.org/)!! they rock!!
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Originally posted by eyes713:
She then ruined HER evening by yelling at me and throwing drinks on me for the rest of the set.
You should have *really* ruined her evening by having her thrown out. I'd think throwing drinks at you would have been sufficient cause.
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Originally posted by brennser:
in general I think they are everywhere - yet another example of the general erosion in manners and respect for others
Seriously. Remember that Beethoven gig we saw? Standing room only, and the fops and dandies were silent!
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Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
Who are MMV and HIM?
I don't know who MMV are, but HIM is a shitty, latently-homoerotic goth band from Finland or someplace like that. They've been around for like 10 years but only have any US popularity/recognition whatsoever because Bam Margera of Jackass likes them.
You can't judge a book by it's cover, but sometimes you can judge a band by it's fans.
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Who is Jackass?
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Originally posted by eyes713:
[QB] there was a huge ass in the VIP section that night.
Heh... it sounds like perhaps this person took "VIP" a little too much to heart!
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Oh, and rereading this, it's MMW not MMV.
Medeski, Martin, and Wood?
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i haven't read any scholarly writing on the subject, but i bet there is a strong correlation between the increased use of mobile phones in the U.S. and the ever-increasing level of jibber jabber at a show. generations of people think it's fine and dandy to prattle on about any old shit they want(usually at an absurdly high volume).
maybe the club should make people endure some nonsense like movie theaters play before a film reminding patrons to shut the hell up and refrain from using their cell phones.
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There was this really wasted dude in a Swingin' Utters jacket in front of me last night who held his cell phone up in the air for most of the night.
Somehow, I got the sense that he wasn't really calling someone else, but that he was trying to record parts of the show on his phone. Thankfully, he was more "entertainingly" wasted than "annoyingly" wasted.
Originally posted by jdr:
i haven't read any scholarly writing on the subject, but i bet there is a strong correlation between the increased use of mobile phones in the U.S. and the ever-increasing level of jibber jabber at a show. generations of people think it's fine and dandy to prattle on about any old shit they want(usually at an absurdly high volume).
maybe the club should make people endure some nonsense like movie theaters play before a film reminding patrons to shut the hell up and refrain from using their cell phones.
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Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
Who is Jackass?
It's that show from MTV a few years back which was basically an hour straight of idiots stapling stuff to each other or punching each other in the groin. Come to think of it, it was pretty latently-homoerotic in it's own right.
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Originally posted by jdr:
i haven't read any scholarly writing on the subject, but i bet there is a strong correlation between the increased use of mobile phones in the U.S. and the ever-increasing level of jibber jabber at a show. generations of people think it's fine and dandy to prattle on about any old shit they want(usually at an absurdly high volume).
maybe the club should make people endure some nonsense like movie theaters play before a film reminding patrons to shut the hell up and refrain from using their cell phones.
I think it's also a leftover by product of 60s rock culture, when it was an accepted social norm that you had a god-given right to do whatever the hell you wanted, and that anyone who tried to tell you otherwise was a narc, working for the Man.
Although many intelligent people eventually realized that giving unlimited rights to be an asshole ultimately infringes on the rights of everyone else, perhaps the most visible manifestation of where this culture led is at the occasional accoustic tour by 60s and 70s-rock dinosaurs, whose efforts at moving on are inevitably marred by thousands of assholes who feel compelled to yell "wooo!" during any quiet parts of the set.
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When I was a wee nipper, my grandpapa blamed it on TV. People gathered around those glowing objects, got use to being able to converse while being "entertained" and just carried that same behavior into the real world. The living room becomes the audience...
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Originally posted by jdr:
i haven't read any scholarly writing on the subject, but i bet there is a strong correlation between the increased use of mobile phones in the U.S. and the ever-increasing level of jibber jabber at a show. generations of people think it's fine and dandy to prattle on about any old shit they want(usually at an absurdly high volume).
maybe the club should make people endure some nonsense like movie theaters play before a film reminding patrons to shut the hell up and refrain from using their cell phones.
I think it's also a leftover by product of 60s rock culture, when it was an accepted social norm that you had a god-given right to do whatever the hell you wanted, and that anyone who tried to tell you otherwise was a narc, working for the Man.
Although many intelligent people eventually realized that giving unlimited rights to be an asshole ultimately infringes on the rights of everyone else, perhaps the most visible manifestation of where this culture led is at the occasional accoustic tour by 60s and 70s-rock dinosaurs, whose efforts at moving on are inevitably marred by thousands of assholes who feel compelled to yell "wooo!" during any quiet parts of the set. [/b]
Which is in part why the Birchmere has those rules...
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I dont think this is anything to get oent out of shape over just move elsewhere. And what would be the alternative? An extra team roidheads who walk around during shows making sure that people keep quiet? Smoking is far more annoying
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Who is Jackass?It's that show from MTV a few years back which was basically an hour straight of idiots stapling stuff to each other or punching each other in the groin. Come to think of it, it was pretty latently-homoerotic in it's own right.
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
[qb] Who are MMV and HIM? [/b]
I don't know who MMV are, but HIM is a shitty, latently-homoerotic goth band from Finland or someplace
homophobe much?
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Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
homophobe much?
Yes, I fear homosexuals. When confronted with a non-hetero individual, I often run in terror.
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I would personally like to know when will people finally get the clue that it is not nor ever really was funny to yell requesting Free Bird at a show.
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I think if every time someone yelled that, bands would start playing the song -- and not just a few notes, but the whole song -- people would stop yelling it.
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Originally posted by Cooke:
I would personally like to know when will people finally get the clue that it is not nor ever really was funny to yell requesting Free Bird at a show.
i think it's kind of funny.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by _Sexy Fitsum_:
homophobe much?
Yes, I fear homosexuals. When confronted with a non-hetero individual, I often run in terror. [/b]
I'm sorry ... you often... post in error? please repeat, I'm getting old. :(
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
I think if every time someone yelled that, bands would start playing the song -- and not just a few notes, but the whole song -- people would stop yelling it.
Sounds good on paper, but what if all that overlapping irony destroys space and time? then what?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Cooke:
I would personally like to know when will people finally get the clue that it is not nor ever really was funny to yell requesting Free Bird at a show.
i think it's kind of funny. [/b]
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Cooke:
I would personally like to know when will people finally get the clue that it is not nor ever really was funny to yell requesting Free Bird at a show.
i think it's kind of funny. [/b]
are you kidding me?? I LOVE THAT GUY!
seriously, there is one at every show. always makes my night.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
are you kidding me?? I LOVE THAT GUY!
seriously, there is one at every show. always makes my night.
Just out of curiosity, why do you find it funny? Especially since you're not old enough to have any idea where it comes from or why it was funny the first couple of times someone did it? You can't possibly know that millions of herd-following longhairs across our nation at one time considered "Freebird" the single greatest accomplishment of human civilization, and consequently yelled it at every show because they really wanted to hear it. It's likely that not once in your life has someone ever yelled "Freebird" in earnest sincerity. So why funny?
I'm not being critical, I sincerely want to know. I think you may hold the key as to why this phenomenon looks likely to survive long beyond the generation that spawned it.
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DumDum, it's not that hard to get the origin of the freebird phenom w/o ever having seen the origin of it. if im not mistaken the most notable instance of it is from beaver and butthose. where'd u get your dr degree anyway dum dum?
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Especially since you're not old enough to have any idea where it comes from or why it was funny the first couple of times someone did it?
Who the fuck are you to say this? I cannot begin to describe how irate I get when people pull this on "how could you know" business on me.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Just out of curiosity, why do you find it funny? Especially since you're not old enough to have any idea where it comes from or why it was funny the first couple of times someone did it? You can't possibly know that millions of herd-following longhairs across our nation at one time considered "Freebird" the single greatest accomplishment of human civilization, and consequently yelled it at every show because they really wanted to hear it.
You know, my life doesn't overlap that of Abraham Lincoln's, nor have I ever lived in a country that allows slavery, but I think I can make a pretty good defense of why the Emancipation Proclimation was important.
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Originally posted by econo:
Who the fuck are you to say this? I cannot begin to describe how irate I get when people pull this on "how could you know" business on me.
Easy there dude, we're having a discussion on why people yell "Freebird," it's not like we're talking about some major life-or-death issue.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Just out of curiosity, why do you find it funny? Especially since you're not old enough to have any idea where it comes from or why it was funny the first couple of times someone did it? You can't possibly know that millions of herd-following longhairs across our nation at one time considered "Freebird" the single greatest accomplishment of human civilization, and consequently yelled it at every show because they really wanted to hear it.
You know, my life doesn't overlap that of Abraham Lincoln's, nor have I ever lived in a country that allows slavery, but I think I can make a pretty good defense of why the Emancipation Proclimation was important. [/b]
Yeah, but you don't go around telling inside jokes from Abe Lincoln's time, do you?
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Yeah, but you don't go around telling inside jokes from Abe Lincoln's time, do you?
Dude, that's so cotton gin of you to say.
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what Dr. Doom said makes perfect sense. It's not like going around saying "Where's The Beef" or some other classic one-liner. This is Skynyrd, motherfucker. Recognize.
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I remember when years back someone did the Freebird thing to Fugazi and they gave the guy the finger, a free "bird" as it were, ha ha.
People have said there is a need to update the song to shout out at gigs, maybe Rico Suave?
And this talking is not a new phenomenon, years back I went to Cracker when "Eurotrash Girl" was big. We left 1/2 way through the set (got in free) because you could not hear the band over the conversations. I put the problem more to people whose concert experiences are mostly those at bars where the band was secondary and just there for background noise. They take that attitude to real concerts.
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You can't possibly know that millions of herd-following longhairs across our nation at one time considered "Freebird" the single greatest accomplishment of human civilization, and consequently yelled it at every show because they really wanted to hear it.
I'm that old, and my recollection is that it was initially a goof on the live Skynryd album that came out in the 1970s with the audience yelling for Freebird between every song. I don't think many of the first people to yell for it at non-Skynyrd shows were actually into the song. As far as it being the special hillbilly anthem, no not particularly, there were other songs at least as big in that role and you never heard people yelling "Green Grass And High Tides Forever!!" at non-Outlaws shows
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Originally posted by edbert:
I'm that old, and my recollection is that it was initially a goof on the live Skynryd album that came out in the 1970s with the audience yelling for Freebird between every song. I don't think many of the first people to yell for it at non-Skynyrd shows were actually into the song. As far as it being the special hillbilly anthem, no not particularly, there were other songs at least as big in that role and you never heard people yelling "Green Grass And High Tides Forever!!" at non-Outlaws shows
Wait, you mean Doctor Doom DOESN'T know everything? My world is crumbling around me.
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Originally posted by edbert:
you never heard people yelling "Green Grass And High Tides Forever!!" at non-Outlaws shows
1) "Green Grass and High Tides Forever" is too much of a mouthful
2) "Freebird" went beyond being the anthem of redneck hippies, to a much broader mainstream stoner audience.
For example, my sister's Leland Jr. High School yearbook, from 1980, states that "The biggest debate of the year was which was the best song of all times: 'Stairway to Heaven,' or 'Freebird.'"
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I always like to yell Homer Simpson's eternal "I like music!" at every band I happen to see preform. It's sort of the catch-all to end all catch-all's.
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
Wait, you mean Doctor Doom DOESN'T know everything? My world is crumbling around me.
Your attitude is not conducive to furthering this serious academic inquiry. As a result, you are invited to stuff a sock in it.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
For example, my sister's Leland Jr. High School yearbook, from 1980, states that "The biggest debate of the year was which was the best song of all times: 'Stairway to Heaven,' or 'Freebird.'"
Allmusic.com dates Led Zeppelin IV as being released in 1971. Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd was released in 1973. So your sister's junior high class had no business debating songs that were written before they entered junior high. ;)
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The first time I recall hearing the request was at a True Believers show around 86, and it was actually quite funny given the three guitar lineup the band had. It was funny a couple after that and now down right annoying.... sorta like an catch phrase SNL picks up on...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
sorta like an catch phrase SNL picks up on...
EXACTLY!
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I move to make "John Barleycorn must die" be the new song that everyone shouts.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
I always like to yell Homer Simpson's eternal "I like music!" at every band I happen to see preform. It's sort of the catch-all to end all catch-all's.
that's hilarious.
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"Freebird" went beyond being the anthem of redneck hippies, to a much broader mainstream stoner audience.
"Revisionist history!"
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
The first time I recall hearing the request was at a True Believers show around 86,
my first time was at a Benny Goodman jam back in '34. now those were some crazy times man
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DumDum:
pdx pollard:
Wait, you mean Doctor Doom DOESN'T know everything? My world is crumbling around me.
Your attitude is not conducive to furthering this serious academic inquiry. As a result, you are invited to stuff a sock in it. [/b]
i am suddenly struck at where i have seen you before Dum Dum, you are the comic book store guy on the simpsons.
:roll:
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Originally posted by ThatNewAsshole:
i am suddenly struck at where i have seen you before Dum Dum, you are the comic book store guy on the simpsons.
:roll:
it's "comic book guy", nothing more
worst. comic book guy reference. ever.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Originally posted by you be betty:
are you kidding me?? I LOVE THAT GUY!
seriously, there is one at every show. always makes my night.
Just out of curiosity, why do you find it funny? Especially since you're not old enough to have any idea where it comes from or why it was funny the first couple of times someone did it? You can't possibly know that millions of herd-following longhairs across our nation at one time considered "Freebird" the single greatest accomplishment of human civilization, and consequently yelled it at every show because they really wanted to hear it. It's likely that not once in your life has someone ever yelled "Freebird" in earnest sincerity. So why funny?
I'm not being critical, I sincerely want to know. I think you may hold the key as to why this phenomenon looks likely to survive long beyond the generation that spawned it. [/b]
Thank you, restoftheboard, for answering that one for me.
But, I'm not a moron. I could have been born in the 60s, and still not understand the Freebird phenomenon. OF COURSE I know where it comes from, and why it's funny. You know, people. We tend to laugh at things that we find funny...? Yeah.
I'm not taking a critical tone with you either, but learn not to make sweeping generalizations. I have heard Freebird played live TWICE at seperate shows at, what I have deemed, earnest pleas to hear the song.
It may be "likely" that most of the kids my age don't even know what "Freebird" is (their loss), but I'm not exactly exemplar of a normal fifteen year old girl.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by ThatNewAsshole:
i am suddenly struck at where i have seen you before Dum Dum, you are the comic book store guy on the simpsons.
:roll:
it's "comic book guy", nothing more
worst. comic book guy reference. ever. [/b]
"There is no emoticon for what I am feeling!"
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Originally posted by you be betty:
You know, people. We tend to laugh at things that we find funny...? Yeah.
I guess my problem stems from the fact that it's actually NOT funny! It was funny the first couple of times someone did it, and it stopped being funny right after that. Kosmo nailed it, it's now just a moronic thing people yell without really knowing why, and like an overused line on Saturday Night Live, people laugh just cause they're conditioned to.
Since we're referencing the Simpsons, there's an episode where Bart comes up with a cute line and suddenly the whole town is saying it and he is a star. It's like that!
Also, sorry to make sweeping generalizations about your generation, I was sincerely trying to find out why this dumb practice is now spanning several generations.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Originally posted by you be betty:
You know, people. We tend to laugh at things that we find funny...? Yeah.
I guess my problem stems from the fact that it's actually NOT funny! It was funny the first couple of times someone did it, and it stopped being funny right after that. Kosmo nailed it, it's now just a moronic thing people yell without really knowing why, and like an overused line on Saturday Night Live, people laugh just cause they're conditioned to.
Since we're referencing the Simpsons, there's an episode where Bart comes up with a cute line and suddenly the whole town is saying it and he is a star. It's like that!
Also, sorry to make sweeping generalizations about your generation, I was sincerely trying to find out why this dumb practice is now spanning several generations. [/b]
It's okay. I forgive you. :p
And that's kind of why I find it funny. Call it a twisted sense of humor, but the actual practice of yelling "Freebird," is not exactly what i'm finding humerous. It's a weird sarcastic approach to the "Freebird" yelling that I find funny.
You know, it's that guy?
The lame frat guy that is standing in the back of the club that's so drunk that he think's he's clever yelling "FREE. BIIIIIIIRD!" at the top of his lungs. I LOVE That Guy.
I laugh at Freebird Guy for the same reason that I laugh at the woman in the fanny pack, or the old man in the "Awesome Gramps!" tee shirt. I don't know why. It's just funny.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Originally posted by you be betty:
You know, people. We tend to laugh at things that we find funny...? Yeah.
I guess my problem stems from the fact that it's actually NOT funny! It was funny the first couple of times someone did it, and it stopped being funny right after that. Kosmo nailed it, it's now just a moronic thing people yell without really knowing why, and like an overused line on Saturday Night Live, people laugh just cause they're conditioned to.
Since we're referencing the Simpsons, there's an episode where Bart comes up with a cute line and suddenly the whole town is saying it and he is a star. It's like that!
Also, sorry to make sweeping generalizations about your generation, I was sincerely trying to find out why this dumb practice is now spanning several generations. [/b]
It's okay. I forgive you. :D
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yeah? good.
and i mean i have a pretty weird sense of humor too. i giggle at practically everything, but i mean. That Freebird Guy. he's a loser. it's kind of an ongoing joke with my brother and a few of my friends and i. everywhere we go, we look for That Guy.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
That Freebird Guy ... everywhere we go, we look for That Guy.
I think thatguy should yell it the next time you're both at the club :D
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Agreed.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
I guess my problem stems from the fact that it's actually NOT funny! It was funny the first couple of times someone did it, and it stopped being funny right after that. Kosmo nailed it, it's now just a moronic thing people yell without really knowing why, and like an overused line on Saturday Night Live, people laugh just cause they're conditioned to.
you're so wrong on this one. so, so wrong.
1) it was funny the first couple of times someone did it
2) then it stopped being funny
3) then it became ironic, and funny again
4) then too many people saw the irony and it wasn't funny anymore
5) then people found the fact that too many people saw the irony ironic, and it became funny again
now, it's somewhere in between #16 and #19 on the list, i contend it's still "kind of funny"
OWNED!!!
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i content that bands that hear it on a nightly basis don't think it's funny anymore... than again many acts have in ear monitors that can block out crowd noise thus making it even more pointless to make requests. and what effect do these in ear monitors have on a bands ability to truly guage an audiences response, and thus be able to "feed" of their energy..
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i content that bands that hear it on a nightly basis don't think it's funny anymore... than again many acts have in ear monitors that can block out crowd noise thus making it even more pointless to make requests. and what effect do these in ear monitors have on a bands ability to truly guage an audiences response, and thus be able to "feed" of their energy..
But now they use "audience mics" on the sides of the stage to attempt to hear the audience with those in ear monitors so it all comes around again...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
1) it was funny the first couple of times someone did it
2) then it stopped being funny
3) then it became ironic, and funny again
4) then too many people saw the irony and it wasn't funny anymore
5) then people found the fact that too many people saw the irony ironic, and it became funny again
now, it's somewhere in between #16 and #19 on the list, i contend it's still "kind of funny"
OWNED!!!
Dude, steps 1 through 5 all happened within the first two or three months from the time the first person did it.
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They didn't have irony in the 70's though.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Dude, steps 1 through 5 all happened within the first two or three months from the time the first person did it.
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I always wanted to scream out the line from the Beavis and Butthead episode where they go to the big concert (and never get it) "Rock and roll, wee-hooo! (bleach as the guy pukes".
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I put people who say things like "OWNED" in the same category as people who still yell "Freebird." ;)
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
I put people who say things like "OWNED" in the same category as people who still yell "Freebird."
How do you feel regarding people who fret obsessively about atmospheric carbon dioxide levels?
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I use owned quite a bit. Someone at a club might think I'm a moron, overhearing me constantly using the phrase "owned." Too bad they don't know I'm sarcastic, like, 99% of the time.