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Sad news. He had a great voice, had a lot to say, and he wrote some great books.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
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Sad news. He had a great voice, had a lot to say, and he wrote some great books.
This guy was a personal hero. Humor, guts, brains: the world is a darker place. I am very saddened by the way he went...that his final act would cause such pain and misery for his family. We'll miss you Hunter. Hope they had that convertible filled with gas (both kinds) waiting when you arrived, and your friend Warren Z. was waiting to ride with you.
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I just read about it this morning. I nearly threw up. After a bit of reflection, I shouldn't be surprised - he surely wasn't the type to whither away with old age. As his attorney, I would have advised him against it. As one of his longtime fans however, I sure wish he would have stuck around a bit longer. I stopped by the Woody Creek Tavern when I traversed the country to move to DC back in '96, but he wasn't there. I had always hoped to go back and have a whiskey with him.
So long, Gonzo. "Where the Buffalo Roam" and "Fear and Loathing" marathon at my place tonight.
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Wow. This is sad news.
He had an in-store promotion at Olsson's a few years back. Johnny Depp was there to shadow him. (He even dressed the part.)
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This sucks, in a major way. As Smackie says, not entirely a surprise, but still.... Of all the times he might have picked to check out, this was NOT one for which you could say voices like Dr. Thompson's weren't desperately needed.
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As a one time resident of Aspen and a Colorado native, this is sad news. I often visited the Woody Creek tavern but never saw Thompson. I only saw Jim Gray of Pete Rose question fame trying to pick up women. If you want to read a great book looking at the inner workings of Aspen culture with some great Hunter Thompson bits, read Whiteout: Lost in Aspen by Ted Conover. Conover moved to Aspen and became a cab driver and he tells a story of how he would make special deliveries of both alcohol and drugs to the Woody Creek tavern for Thompson to pick up.
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Am I the only one that doesn't think this is sad news?
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Am I the only one that doesn't think this is sad news?
you are slipping, I have been waiting for this comment all day :D
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I know, and It's slow at work. Way disappointed in myself. :p
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I just read about it this morning. I nearly threw up. After a bit of reflection, I shouldn't be surprised - he surely wasn't the type to whither away with old age. As his attorney, I would have advised him against it. As one of his longtime fans however, I sure wish he would have stuck around a bit longer. I stopped by the Woody Creek Tavern when I traversed the country to move to DC back in '96, but he wasn't there. I had always hoped to go back and have a whiskey with him.
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
--Hunter S. Thompson
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an excerpt from a letter to George Stephanopolous, from HST's (excellent) book "Better Than Sex: Confessions of a Political Junkie"
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In a campaign, you need help from your friends; in Washington you need it from your enemies.
The whisperings of treachery are like
serpents in my bed
-- S. F. Bacon, Women's Voices
Ah, but you learned these things a long time ago, so why brood about them now? They are boring, like the wisdom of Washington is boring. It is not a town that teems with original thinkers (except maybe for ex-mayors and a handful of anarchist/hillbilly musicians)--and nobody you meet in D.C. was actually born there. Even the cab drivers are foreigners.
I was one of them for a while, George. I lived there. I had a 10-room, three-bath, two-fireplace, red-brick Colonial house with a two-car garage and a wood-paneled full studio-apartment above, on Juniper Street--which was a dead end street at the time, and the only thing between my front porch and the Kennedy Center was a three- or four-mile stretch of dense woods and horse trails and the lonely midnight roads of Rock Creek Park, which will always be one of my favorite places in the world....
Ah yes, the park. I knew it well, George. The park police came to love me. I was like the team physician to the night shift. I knew their wives and girlfriends, and they knew mine. They hated Nixon, and so did I. And we all smoked marijuana. Hell, we even inhaled it....
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I think I'm going to cry now.
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Originally posted by grotty:
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
--Hunter S. Thompson
Classic Rube. Thank you for that.
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This person probably didn't:
"Guess being a creatively spent, paranoid, miserable drunk/addict wasn't as much fun as he tried to make it seem."
And yes, Lane Stayley is still dead.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Am I the only one that doesn't think this is sad news?
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i had a three day weekend and just found out when i read the headlines at work this morning. this is really sad for me as i've always been a great fan of HST and, strangely enough, i was actually watching "where the buffalo roam" again on sunday afternoon probably just around the time he died. i'm a little creeped out right now.
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Wow, that is odd.
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How could anyone not see this as sad news? The guy was one of the most brilliant and important writer/reporters of our time.
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Having never met the guy and not having known him personally, his death is no more sad than any other death of any other human being, to me. Any death is sad, but hey, everybody does it.
He could have done his wife the decency of going out into the woods to do it, rather than leaving her with a bloody mess in the kitchen.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
How could anyone not see this as sad news? The guy was one of the most brilliant and important writer/reporters of our time.
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I like how everybody posting in this thread is trying to out-Thompson-cred each other:
"...I mean, he was more than just a mentor to me, he was my bro..."
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He killed himself, that's obviously something he decided to do. So why be sad because of it? He's not sad so why should we be?
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PJ O'Rourke would never blow his own brains out.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
PJ O'Rourke would never blow his own brains out.
Well of course not...if he did, he'd lose his cushy job as a panelist, catering to thirtysomething white people who're burdened with too much dry humor and a healthy dose of liberal guilt... (http://www.npr.org/programs/waitwait/)
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
He killed himself, that's obviously something he decided to do. So why be sad because of it? He's not sad so why should we be?
Because it's sad when someone kills themselves you numskull. Sad for the spouse, kids, parents, brothers, sisters and friends left behind. And yes, also sad that a person is so miserable that they'd do such a thing.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Because it's sad when someone kills themselves you numskull. Sad for the spouse, kids, parents, brothers, sisters and friends left behind. And yes, also sad that a person is so miserable that they'd do such a thing. [/QB]
Sounds like you were in love with this man if your using tough guy words like numskull to defend his honor.
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Yes, it is sad that he would care so little about those people that you mention that he would choose a destructive lifelstyle and such a gruesome way to depart the earth.
But I still feel more sad on behalf of any of the anonymous tsunami victims.
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
He killed himself, that's obviously something he decided to do. So why be sad because of it? He's not sad so why should we be?
Because it's sad when someone kills themselves you numskull. Sad for the spouse, kids, parents, brothers, sisters and friends left behind. And yes, also sad that a person is so miserable that they'd do such a thing. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by chaz:
Because it's sad when someone kills themselves you numskull. Sad for the spouse, kids, parents, brothers, sisters and friends left behind. And yes, also sad that a person is so miserable that they'd do such a thing. [/b]
Sounds like you were in love with this man if your using tough guy words like numskull to defend his honor. [/QB]
Hardly love...maybe a deep deep like. I'm a much bigger fan of empathy than I am of H.S.T., even if he did write one of the funniest books I've ever read.
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Yes Rhett....how insightful of you to point out the fact that the plight of the anonmyous tsunami victim is a very sad one.
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Yes, it is sad that he would care so little about those people that you mention that he would choose a destructive lifelstyle and such a gruesome way to depart the earth.
But I still feel more sad on behalf of any of the anonymous tsunami victims.
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
He killed himself, that's obviously something he decided to do. So why be sad because of it? He's not sad so why should we be?
Because it's sad when someone kills themselves you numskull. Sad for the spouse, kids, parents, brothers, sisters and friends left behind. And yes, also sad that a person is so miserable that they'd do such a thing. [/b]
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You're welcome. Always good to point out the obvious to people who go overboard with their sympathy.
And where's the empathy for the families of John Raitt and Sandra Dee? They died too.
Originally posted by chaz:
Yes Rhett....how insightful of you to point out the fact that the plight of the anonmyous tsunami victim is a very sad one.
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Yes, it is sad that he would care so little about those people that you mention that he would choose a destructive lifelstyle and such a gruesome way to depart the earth.
But I still feel more sad on behalf of any of the anonymous tsunami victims.
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
He killed himself, that's obviously something he decided to do. So why be sad because of it? He's not sad so why should we be?
Because it's sad when someone kills themselves you numskull. Sad for the spouse, kids, parents, brothers, sisters and friends left behind. And yes, also sad that a person is so miserable that they'd do such a thing. [/b]
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Always good to point out the obvious to people who go overboard with their sympathy.
Didn't realize this was your decision to make. Oh wait, it's not.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
And where's the empathy for the families of John Raitt and Sandra Dee? They died too.
Go ahead and start a new post if it means that much to you.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Yes, it is sad that he would care so little about those people that you mention that he would choose a destructive lifelstyle and such a gruesome way to depart the earth.
anyone who feels "sad" about HST's lifestyle obviously doesn't like his writing.
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I have read Stephen HUNTER (his movie reviews), William S. Burroughs, and Jim THOMPSON, but have never read anything by Hunter S. Thompson. So can't offer an opinion. What little I've read that was written about him since his death hasn't really worked to form any kind of positive opinion of him.
Originally posted by DUDE, best show EVER:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Yes, it is sad that he would care so little about those people that you mention that he would choose a destructive lifelstyle and such a gruesome way to depart the earth.
anyone who feels "sad" about HST's lifestyle obviously doesn't like his writing. [/b]
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
have never read anything by Hunter S. Thompson. So can't offer an opinion.
You never met him, never read any of his writings and choose not to offer an opinion on his works.
Yet some of who have read his works and have clearly been influenced by him in many shapes and forms are expressing grief and sympathy, and you have no problem telling us how we should feel?
Your hypocrisy knows no boundaries.
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ggw?
I haven't read anything my anybody, on this board, that specifically pointed out the positive influence that this guy had on their lives.
All I seem to read in the press is about what a self-abusive person he was.
Care to tell me about the positive influences he had on your life?
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
have never read anything by Hunter S. Thompson. So can't offer an opinion.
You never met him, never read any of his writings and choose not to offer an opinion on his works.
Yet some of who have read his works and have clearly been influenced by him in many shapes and forms are expressing grief and sympathy, and you have no problem telling us how we should feel?
Your hypocrisy knows no boundaries. [/b]
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
have never read anything by Hunter S. Thompson. So can't offer an opinion.
You never met him, never read any of his writings and choose not to offer an opinion on his works.
Yet some of who have read his works and have clearly been influenced by him in many shapes and forms are expressing grief and sympathy, and you have no problem telling us how we should feel?
Your hypocrisy knows no boundaries. [/b]
Smackie, we've all blunted our swords of insightfulness on Rhett's shield of human cluelessness for far too long. It's no use!
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Originally posted by chaz:
...we've all blunted our swords of insightfulness on Rhett's shield of human cloudlessness
It's actually a shield of contrails. <img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/hauxfan/Signs/Group_4/3.gif" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
And where's the empathy for the families of John Raitt and Sandra Dee? They died too.
Dee was a drunk and an anorexic, so, under your dynamic, she would warrant no sympathy.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Care to tell me about the positive influences he had on your life?
You don't deserve the pleasure.
If you lived this long with out reading HST - it is I who will relish in the joy of knowing what's missing in your life.
Henry Allen of the Post did put his feelings in words however:
"Except he wasn't like a number of people -- he left us his prose, his genius persona, and his insights into the dark side of America, insights that could change your life after the laughing stopped. You would like to think that beneath the forbidding scowl of post-9/11 America, and despite the dark side, that a lot of people understand that Hunter S. Thompson was a great American."
Maybe if you had read his works, you would know why HST got his own Topic and nobody started a Topic for Sandra D or John Raitt.
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Well, by the standards of this board, that would make her a hero. Thus, my surprise for the lack of empathy.
Originally posted by ggw?:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
And where's the empathy for the families of John Raitt and Sandra Dee? They died too.
Dee was a drunk and an anorexic, so, under your dynamic, she would warrant no sympathy. [/b]
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Thompson was a great writer, changing the landscape and parameters of journalistic writing and reporting as an art (not unlike Tom Wolfe; I'd categorize them together based on their impact). He gave to me, at a relatively early age, an open mind about viewing the world, acknowledging other views of the world and the desire to peek behind the curtain (and the curiosity to ask, "who put up that curtain anyhow").
Plus, he was funny as shit as well as smart, so a day spent reading one of this books was a day well spent.
I dare say you might mourn Jeff Tweedy's passing more than an anonymous tsunami victim (not imparting any difference of worth to either, but certainly they have different impacts on your own life). Similarly, having been touched and taught by HST, I mourn his loss, regardless of what he drank, what he shot up, who he boinked or how he left this world. Actually, it's even sadder to me to consider that sometimes those brains most vital are also most troubled.
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"Gorilla Nipple Fetish" also got it's own thread. :p
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
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Maybe if you had read his works, you would know why HST got his own Topic and nobody started a Topic for Sandra D or John Raitt. [/b]
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
"Gorilla Nipple Fetish" also got it's own thread.
And because I know nothing about Gorilla Nipple Fetishes and don't care, I chose not to click on it. You should consider the same.
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Jeff TWeedy died? Oh shit, I think I'm going to go throw up.
But seriously, you are right. Having seen film of him lovingly interacting with his wife and children would tend to evoke more sympathy from him than from an anonymous tsunami victim. Although some of his lifestyle choice would tend to mitigate the empathy a bit.
Originally posted by Bags:
Thompson was a great writer, changing the landscape and parameters of journalistic writing and reporting as an art (not unlike Tom Wolfe; I'd categorize them together based on their impact). He gave to me, at a relatively early age, an open mind about viewing the world, acknowledging other views of the world and the desire to peek behind the curtain (and the curiosity to ask, "who put up that curtain anyhow").
Plus, he was funny as shit as well as smart, so a day spent reading one of this books was a day well spent.
I dare say you might mourn Jeff Tweedy's passing more than an anonymous tsunami victim (not imparting any difference of worth to either, but certainly they have different impacts on your own life). Similarly, having been touched and taught by HST, I mourn his loss, regardless of what he drank, what he shot up, who he boinked or how he left this world. Actually, it's even sadder to me to consider that sometimes those brains most vital are also most troubled.
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why does this debate have to happen every time somebody dies, rhett remembers when people didnt show respect when Johnny Cash died, everybody always says the same things in these threads
is anybody really doing any mourning they want to do through this board? if so fine, but you know what to expect
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I mourn that nobody read about the gorilla nipple fetish.
Actually I really like the one liners, from the guardians obit: Somewhere along the (http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1419644,00.html)
line, it seems, Thompson became tired. His work got repetitive, it sometimes descended into self-parody, and he admitted that he no longer enjoyed it.
"I suspect writing is a bit like fucking," he wrote, "which is only fun for amateurs. Old whores don't do much giggling."
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Jeff TWeedy died? Oh shit, I think I'm going to go throw up.
But seriously, you are right. Having seen film of him lovingly interacting with his wife and children would tend to evoke more sympathy from him than from an anonymous tsunami victim. Although some of his lifestyle choice would tend to mitigate the empathy a bit.
Originally posted by Bags:
Thompson was a great writer, changing the landscape and parameters of journalistic writing and reporting as an art (not unlike Tom Wolfe; I'd categorize them together based on their impact). He gave to me, at a relatively early age, an open mind about viewing the world, acknowledging other views of the world and the desire to peek behind the curtain (and the curiosity to ask, "who put up that curtain anyhow").
Plus, he was funny as shit as well as smart, so a day spent reading one of this books was a day well spent.
I dare say you might mourn Jeff Tweedy's passing more than an anonymous tsunami victim (not imparting any difference of worth to either, but certainly they have different impacts on your own life). Similarly, having been touched and taught by HST, I mourn his loss, regardless of what he drank, what he shot up, who he boinked or how he left this world. Actually, it's even sadder to me to consider that sometimes those brains most vital are also most troubled.
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Sometimes it's not a "choice" for people to live like that, Rhett. Just because your brain chemistry is OK and you're married and have a job and money doesn't mean you can judge... You live a "normal" life, which many people strive for and can't have, but personally, I'd rather kill myself than be you. Watching Nascar, listening to alt-country, heterosexual... It's the American dream! You spend your days posting on the Internet and he wrote published works...
It's obvious you're just trying to get people worked up, but use that energy in a more productive way. If you're so funny and witty, write some short stories.
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Originally posted by dotdot:
Sometimes it's not a "choice" for people to live like that
Sometime it is not, but it was clearly a choice for Hunter. Do you think you could really write that well and be that funny fucked up? Being fucked up makes me think I am funny, but that is about it.
Its seems to me Hunter lived a pretty full and enjoyable life experiencing a lot of what it had to offer.
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Originally posted by MaRkIe:
Originally posted by dotdot:
Sometimes it's not a "choice" for people to live like that
Sometime it is not, but it was clearly a choice for Hunter. Do you think you could really write that well and be that funny fucked up? Being fucked up makes me think I am funny, but that is about it.
Its seems to me Hunter lived a pretty full and enjoyable life experiencing a lot of what it had to offer. [/b]
I dunno, do you have an addictive personality?
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Heterosexual? I never said I was heterosexual.
And Kenny Chesney in the Escalade is the American Dream, not alt-country.
And finally, I have had a paper published. So for at least one shining moment, my writing went beyond this wonderful board. It's just that much fewer people are fascinated by the application of auditing software to data confidentiality procedures than they are by stories of booze and drugs. I'm not sure why, but I guess I've just got to accept that fact.
Originally posted by dotdot:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Jeff TWeedy died? Oh shit, I think I'm going to go throw up.
But seriously, you are right. Having seen film of him lovingly interacting with his wife and children would tend to evoke more sympathy from him than from an anonymous tsunami victim. Although some of his lifestyle choice would tend to mitigate the empathy a bit.
Originally posted by Bags:
Thompson was a great writer, changing the landscape and parameters of journalistic writing and reporting as an art (not unlike Tom Wolfe; I'd categorize them together based on their impact). He gave to me, at a relatively early age, an open mind about viewing the world, acknowledging other views of the world and the desire to peek behind the curtain (and the curiosity to ask, "who put up that curtain anyhow").
Plus, he was funny as shit as well as smart, so a day spent reading one of this books was a day well spent.
I dare say you might mourn Jeff Tweedy's passing more than an anonymous tsunami victim (not imparting any difference of worth to either, but certainly they have different impacts on your own life). Similarly, having been touched and taught by HST, I mourn his loss, regardless of what he drank, what he shot up, who he boinked or how he left this world. Actually, it's even sadder to me to consider that sometimes those brains most vital are also most troubled.
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Sometimes it's not a "choice" for people to live like that, Rhett. Just because your brain chemistry is OK and you're married and have a job and money doesn't mean you can judge... You live a "normal" life, which many people strive for and can't have, but personally, I'd rather kill myself than be you. Watching Nascar, listening to alt-country, heterosexual... It's the American dream! You spend your days posting on the Internet and he wrote published works... [/b]
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Originally posted by dotdot:
I dunno, do you have an addictive personality?
Do I have a personality at all?
Again from the guardian:
I always assumed that Thompson was far more in control of himself than people imagined. He never seemed hopelessly in love with the drugs.
"There is nothing more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge," he once wrote. "You can turn your back on a person but never turn your back on a drug."
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Originally posted by MaRkIe:
Originally posted by dotdot:
I dunno, do you have an addictive personality?
Do I have a personality at all?
Again from the guardian:
I always assumed that Thompson was far more in control of himself than people imagined. He never seemed hopelessly in love with the drugs.
"There is nothing more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge," he once wrote. "You can turn your back on a person but never turn your back on a drug." [/b]
I wasn't speaking of Thompson specifically, just trying to make a point. I'm not saying that it's OK and healthy to be a lush, but I think SOME people who indulge do it to feel good or "normal" for just a moment in this world, that's all.
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Thompson's writings were about a hell of a lot more than "drugs and booze." The majority of them were thought-provoking analyses of the world around him which gave his readers an insight that nobody before him has ever provided. You should, umm, maybe read one of his works before taking the bullshit about him in the main stream media as fact?
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Should I start with this one?:
Product Description:
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is the best chronicle of drug-soaked, addle-brained, rollicking good times ever committed to the printed page. It is also the tale of a long weekend road trip that has gone down in the annals of American pop culture as one of the strangest journeys ever undertaken.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Thompson's writings were about a hell of a lot more than "drugs and booze." The majority of them were thought-provoking analyses of the world around him which gave his readers an insight that nobody before him has ever provided. You should, umm, maybe read one of his works before taking the bullshit about him in the main stream media as fact?
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Should I start with this one?:
Product Description:
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is the best chronicle of drug-soaked, addle-brained, rollicking good times ever committed to the printed page. It is also the tale of a long weekend road trip that has gone down in the annals of American pop culture as one of the strangest journeys ever undertaken.
come on, do you really expect a "product description" to give you the best feel for a book?
did you grab this off of amazon? is it written by a publisher who is trying to sell more copies of the book?
sex and drugs sells, and HST writes about both of these things, but he also writes about much much more than that ...
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Don't forget that Rhett is the same guy that critiques concert performances he didn't see. So why is anyone in the least bit surprised that he would criticize the work of an author he never read?
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Thompson's writings were about a hell of a lot more than "drugs and booze." The majority of them were thought-provoking analyses of the world around him which gave his readers an insight that nobody before him has ever provided. You should, umm, maybe read one of his works before taking the bullshit about him in the main stream media as fact?
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I mistakenly critiqued ONE concert that I wasn't at, basing it on the poor quality of their album. I admitted to my mistake, which I don't see as uncommon (how many of us can't remember if we've seen or not seen such and such crap movie, yet we still remember it as crap)
I never critiqued Thompson's writings. I simply said that based on the critiques of OTHERS, I don't have much interest in reading them.
Is his writing anything like William S. Burroughs? He's another guy people proclaim a genius, but who I thought was total crap.
I did like the Hubert Selby, Jr. that I read.
Originally posted by ggw?:
Don't forget that Rhett is the same guy that critiques concert performances he didn't see. So why is anyone in the least bit surprised that he would criticize the work of an author he never read?
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Thompson's writings were about a hell of a lot more than "drugs and booze." The majority of them were thought-provoking analyses of the world around him which gave his readers an insight that nobody before him has ever provided. You should, umm, maybe read one of his works before taking the bullshit about him in the main stream media as fact?
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Actually, first you said you were there, then -- when your shit was called out -- you admitted that you weren't, but said you were basing your negative opinion on the consensus of OTHERS who were at the show; but then your shit was called out again when it was shown that the vast majority of OTHERS gave positive reviews to the show and a "consensus" of one gave a negative review.
So, we've learned that you first pull your opinions out of your ass, and then go and try to find support for them, making shit up if necessary.
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I mistakenly critiqued ONE concert that I wasn't at, basing it on the poor quality of their album. I admitted to my mistake, which I don't see as uncommon (how many of us can't remember if we've seen or not seen such and such crap movie, yet we still remember it as crap)
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ok, whatever you say. I'm sure everyone really cares. I'm glad you are here to run the board and set everything straight. I'm sure everyone else is too.
Originally posted by ggw?:
Actually, first you said you were there, then -- when your shit was called out -- you admitted that you weren't, but said you were basing your negative opinion on the consensus of OTHERS who were at the show; but then your shit was called out again when it was shown that the vast majority of OTHERS gave positive reviews to the show and a "consensus" of one gave a negative review.
So, we've learned that you first pull your opinions out of your ass, and then go and try to find support for them, making shit up, if necessary.
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I mistakenly critiqued ONE concert that I wasn't at, basing it on the poor quality of their album. I admitted to my mistake, which I don't see as uncommon (how many of us can't remember if we've seen or not seen such and such crap movie, yet we still remember it as crap)
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Anytime.
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That product description is a little misleading. Sounds like whoever wrote it may just have seen the movie. I can see someone getting this impression from watching the movie alone but the book, while giving detailed accounts of his drug use, goes into what he was thinking about and pondering regarding the world and so many aspects of life and the people around him. One memorable excerpt dealt with his trying to come to terms with the end of the sixties and the hippie movement. One thing he finally realized during that trip to Vegas was that the idiology behind the hippie movement, as promising as it sounded, had died. This was very difficult for him and many others who were living at the time to grasp since they had put so much stock in this idea that people would some day be able to live freely in a world full of peace where they'd be able to indulge themselves in whatever activities they wanted to as long as they didn't harm others. Much of the book (and the rest of his writing for that matter) is a bunch of interesting lamentations like the one mentioned above.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
ok, whatever you say. I'm sure everyone really cares. I'm glad you are here to run the board and set everything straight. I'm sure everyone else is too.
We call this "deflection."
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I mistakenly critiqued ONE concert that I wasn't at, basing it on the poor quality of their album.
"Mistakenly critiqued ONE concert that I wasn't at"? How is that possible? Stop defending the impossible!
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Thanks for sharing the first piece of insight on this two page thread!
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
That product description is a little misleading. Sounds like whoever wrote it may just have seen the movie. I can see someone getting this impression from watching the movie alone but the book, while giving detailed accounts of his drug use, goes into what he was thinking about and pondering regarding the world and so many aspects of life and the people around him. One memorable excerpt dealt with his trying to come to terms with the end of the sixties and the hippie movement. One thing he finally realized during that trip to Vegas was that the idiology behind the hippie movement, as promising as it sounded, had died. This was very difficult for him and many others who were living at the time to grasp since they had put so much stock in this idea that people would some day be able to live freely in a world full of peace where they'd be able to indulge themselves in whatever activities they wanted to as long as they didn't harm others. Much of the book (and the rest of his writing for that matter) is a bunch of interesting lamentations like the one mentioned above.
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HST espn column archive:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/archive?columnist=hunter_s._thompson&root=page2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/archive?columnist=hunter_s._thompson&root=page2)
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I mistakenly critiqued ONE concert that I wasn't at, basing it on the poor quality of their album. I admitted to my mistake, which I don't see as uncommon (how many of us can't remember if we've seen or not seen such and such crap movie, yet we still remember it as crap)
i've yet to meet anyone who doesn't like BSS's "You Forgot It In People" (although I'm sure they're out there)... i'm fairly certain that the album was roundly critically praised, and I can't recall ever reading a negative review of it.
That aside, BSS just doesn't comapre to some crap will smith movie.
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I seem to remember a few people on this board who "didn't get" the hype about the Broken Social Scene album...they obviously didn't go to the show (maybe Pollard did, but like me, he left before BSS went on)...but I'm not going to hunt through threads to find people who didn't care for it (and yes, there were quite a few people who loved it as well)....bottom line, for me, is that I didn't like it...and yes, I listened to it several times in its entirety because my wife had a copy....blah blah blah...
Originally posted by DUDE, best show EVER:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I mistakenly critiqued ONE concert that I wasn't at, basing it on the poor quality of their album. I admitted to my mistake, which I don't see as uncommon (how many of us can't remember if we've seen or not seen such and such crap movie, yet we still remember it as crap)
i've yet to meet anyone who doesn't like BSS's "You Forgot It In People" (although I'm sure they're out there)... i'm fairly certain that the album was roundly critically praised, and I can't recall ever reading a negative review of it.
That aside, BSS just doesn't comapre to some crap will smith movie. [/b]
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Neither I nor Wifey liked the album or the show. I did like stars who I was there to see, on Mr Pulsizes recommendation.
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I have nine books by Hunter S. Thompson -- nine. That's eight more than just "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas." He wrote 13 books, turns out.
Most of which are memoirs or essay collections which comment on politics, philosophy, sociology, psychology -- the sciences and cultural studies of our time. Even his books before "...Vegas" get inside the machine of a major presidential campaign or the subculture of the Hell's Angels revealing the machinations and cultural forces at work through a subjective account that is, in its telling, spellbinding, educational, enlightening, thought-provoking and hilarious.
And Hunter's work is riddled with subject literary devices utilized to portray th belly of the beast -- it's likely many of his craziest stories were devices to comment on the chaos or hypocrisy of a situation from the inside.
I don't want to jump on the "you didn't even see the concert" bandwagon, but to discount his influence based on hearing about his crazy drug habits or that whacky book about sex and drugs is a road to nowhere.
From the NY Times in 1990:
"While self-effacement has never been one of Mr. Thompson's strengths, I think he was absolutely right about how good a writer he was then. Fans across the political spectrum from Norman Mailer to Tom Wolfe and William F. Buckley Jr. have said as much in the past."
From the NY Times in 1973:
"Unlike Theodore White's regular reports, which have become as much a part of the electoral institution as the inauguration, "Fear and Loathing" is obviously not an exercise in objective, analytic contemporary history. But neither is it like Norman Mailer's accounts of the conventions, which are, by contrast, less involved with the factual immediacy of politics and more concerned with its symbolic implications. Mailer is essentially always a novelist, even when he ventures into personal journalism. Mailer's imagination takes us as far as we want to go intellectually, but on a gut level we are kept at a distance because Mailer's personality intrudes between us and the experience. Genet, Burroughs and Arthur Miller have also attempted to run the campaigns through their literary arteries; but none has successfully captured the vulnerability, lust and desperation that are released each time we elect "the best man."
Thompson's book, with its mixed, frenetic construction, irreverent spirit and, above all, unrelenting sensitivity to the writer's own feelings while on the political road, most effectively conveys the adrenaline-soaked quest that is the American campaign. Crisscrossing the country often two times a day, stopping in hotels, shopping marts and factories in obscure Midwestern towns, Thompson might have been running for office himself. By monitoring his own instincts and observations in the process, he shows us what it must be like for the candidates.
....Must the men who aspire to lead us be put through such an ordeal, living constantly on what Thompson refers to as "the edge"? Perhaps whistlestop and jet-plane campaigning should be abandoned and the candidates should compete solely through the electronic media. I don't know, and neither does Thompson. What Thompson does know, however, is that whatever the campaign procedures, the White House will continue to loom in the imagination of power- addicted men as the glassine-bagged white powder does in the imagination of the junkie. Watergate was the attempted rip-off of a fellow addict. "Fear and Loathing" lets us understand why the men we elect to the Presidency may have needle tracks on their integrity."
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great post, Bags...i wanted to add that i don't think there is any comparison between the writings of burroughs and thompson, although they may have rivaled each other in sheer eccentricity. HT's writing was light-years beyond that of burroughs. i've read quite a few books by both and, where i've always thought burroughs to be a mediocre writer, thompson will remain one of the greatest socio-political commentators of our generation. in addition to his books, his post-9/11 interview and essay on the bush-kerry election in salon.com and rolling stone, respectively, were great reads.
has anyone checked out HT's "kingdom of fear"? i keep meaning to pick it up...
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Originally posted by joz:
i don't think there is any comparison between the writings of burroughs and thompson,
It's apples & oranges time.
There's no doubt that both were major talents. The quality of Thompson's work started to wane starting with LONO.
Burroughs latter works were as good as, or better, than his earlier efforts. Has anyone read The Western Lands???
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My favorite writer is Dean Koontz.... ;)
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You can read!?!?
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Originally posted by Bhagwan K'Mel Giokki-Furbush:
Originally posted by joz:
i don't think there is any comparison between the writings of burroughs and thompson,
It's apples & oranges time.
There's no doubt that both were major talents. The quality of Thompson's work started to wane starting with LONO.
Burroughs latter works were as good as, or better, than his earlier efforts. Has anyone read The Western Lands??? [/b]
i was responding to sam pulsize's post above where he asked whether HT's writings are similar to Burroughs. i haven't had the opportunity to read Western Lands, although i probably should...i've heard mixed reviews of that one. i've read a lot of his earlier stuff...junky, queer, naked lunch and interzone. my feeling is that, if you're in the burroughs camp, you'll probably like western lands and, if you're like me and have never been wowed by his writings, you may not care for it.
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Originally posted by ggw?:
You can read!?!?
My bad, somebody actually reads me your great posts so that's how I'm able to respond to them.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I have read Stephen HUNTER (his movie reviews)
Probably best you just stick with that. And maybe J.K. Rowling...
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Who is J.K. Rowling?
As my wife says, a lot of people on this board just seem like "rock and roll puppets." They read certain writers and listen to certain music because those are the writers and musicians they're SUPPOSED to adore.
Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I have read Stephen HUNTER (his movie reviews)
Probably best you just stick with that. And maybe J.K. Rowling... [/b]
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Besides reviews Stephen Hunter (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=STEPHEN%20HUNTER/104-2843359-5207144) also writes potboilers.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
As my wife says, a lot of people on this board just seem like "rock and roll puppets."
Rock and Roll puppets, alt-country puppets, geeks writing about data confidentiality procedures...let's cut them some slack, they all just want to be cool.
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I guess they should all go see that HOT HOT HOT new John Travolta movie! JT defines cool.
Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
As my wife says, a lot of people on this board just seem like "rock and roll puppets."
Rock and Roll puppets, alt-country puppets, geeks writing about data confidentiality procedures...let's cut them some slack, they all just want to be cool. [/b]
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
JT defines cool.
Yeah, that string of movies he did with the talking babies was the shit.
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HST's wishes were that upon his death he be cremated and his ashes shot out of a cannon. It looks like he may get his wish according to a radio report I heard this morning.
Gotta hand it to him for originality on that one.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Gotta hand it to him for originality on that one. [/QB]
My Hero. :roll:
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Here's a link to a recording of a great Q&A done w/ HST in 1977.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=11803 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=11803)
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this is just shitty
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/books/02/25/thompsondeath.wife.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/books/02/25/thompsondeath.wife.ap/index.html)
Thompson shot self while talking with wife
'He set the receiver down and he did it'
ASPEN, Colorado (AP) -- The widow of journalist Hunter S. Thompson said her husband killed himself while the two were talking on the phone.
"I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did it. I heard the clicking of the gun," Anita Thompson told the Aspen Daily News in Friday's editions.
She said her husband had asked her to come home from a health club so they could work on his weekly ESPN column -- but instead of saying goodbye, he set the telephone down and shot himself.
Thompson said she heard a loud, muffled noise, but didn't know what had happened. "I was waiting for him to get back on the phone," she said.
Hunter Thompson, famous for "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and other works of New Journalism, shot himself in the head Sunday in the kitchen of his Aspen-area home. He was 67.
His son, daughter-in-law and 6-year-old grandson were in the house when the shooting occurred.
Anita Thompson, 32, said her husband had discussed killing himself in recent months and had been issuing verbal and written directives about what he wanted done with his body, his unpublished works and his assets.
His suicidal talk put a strain on their relationship, she said.
"He wanted to leave on top of his game. I wish I could have been more supportive of his decision," she said. "It was a problem for us."
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
this is just shitty
i agree, but suicide is rarely done "right" ... it's almost always going to be messy and inconsiderate, i didn't think this was any different
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"Thompson admitted to a lifelong f (http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/books/02/22/thompson.appreciation.ap/index.html)ascination with guns"
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I guess if you're going to be messy and inconsiderate, might as well do it as GONZO AS POSSIBLE!
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by ratioci nation:
this is just shitty
i agree, but suicide is rarely done "right" ... it's almost always going to be messy and inconsiderate, i didn't think this was any different [/b]
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Yes, suicide is never "right," but that is absolutely monstrous. Monstrous.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Yes, suicide is never "right," but that is absolutely monstrous. Monstrous.
honestly, probably not more so than most suicides ...
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No that is monstrous. A few pills and a bottle of booze and you die in your sleep with no mess.
Still it could be considered a last act of genious. For a man famous for not being scared to offend or upset people. Instead of just mourning him I would wager his family are thinking, "what an inconsiderate old fucker". Somehow I think he would prefer it that way.
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Originally posted by Miss MaRpIe:
No that is monstrous. A few pills and a bottle of booze and you die in your sleep with no mess.
obviously its seriously fucked up, i'm just making the point that many suicides are seriously fucked up, and that i didn't expect anything different when i first heard about it ...
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
]i didn't expect anything different when i first heard about it ...
I did. I was expecting him to be in terminal decline and to have the blessing of his family and for it not to be in the house, nor for his son and daughter in law to be in the house or for his wife to be on the phone at the time.
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Originally posted by Miss MaRpIe:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
]i didn't expect anything different when i first heard about it ...
I did. I was expecting him to be in terminal decline and to have the blessing of his family and for it not to be in the house, nor for his son and daughter in law to be in the house or for his wife to be on the phone at the time. [/b]
well, you obviously have more faith in humanity in general, and a suicidal man in particular, than i do
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by Bags:
Yes, suicide is never "right," but that is absolutely monstrous. Monstrous.
honestly, probably not more so than most suicides ... [/b]
Sorry, I think off-ing yourself via carbon monoxide poisoning in the garage or by taking pills in bed while the family's away is not as monstrous. I understand that the end result is the same, but making them witness/hear the event exhibits some sort of aggression or need for drama at the expense of how deeply you scar your family...
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3575306,00.html (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3575306,00.html)
Wife details family gathering with Thompson dead in chair
By Jeff Kass, © 2005, Rocky Mountain News
February 25, 2005
ASPEN ?? Hunter S. Thompson heard the ice clinking.
The literary champ was sitting in his command post kitchen chair, a piece of blank paper in his favorite typewriter, dead of a self-inflicted gunshot through the mouth hours earlier.
But a small circle of family and friends gathered around with stories, as he wished, with glasses full of his favored elixir ?? Chivas Regal on ice.
"It was very loving. It was not a panic, or ugly, or freaky," Thompson's wife, Anita Thompson, said Thursday night in her first spoken comments since the icon's death Sunday. "It was just like Hunter wanted. He was in control here."
Anita Thompson also echoes the comments that have been made by Hunter Thompson's son and daughter-in-law: That her husband's suicide did not come from the bottom of the well, but was a gesture of strength and ultimate control made as his life was at a high-water mark.
"This is a triumph of his, not a desperate, tragic failure," Anita Thompson said by phone, recounting that she was sitting in her husband's chair he called his catbird seat in the Rockies.
She added: "He lived a beautiful life and he lived it on his own terms, all the way from the very beginning to the very end."
Anita Thompson, like her husband's other close relatives, understood how Hunter Thompson wanted to make his ultimate exit.
"I always knew that Hunter was going to die before me," Anita Thompson, 32, said of her 67-year-old husband. "I'd accepted that. I just did not know it was going to be like this. I would rather have him back."
Yet Anita Thompson quickly came to embrace Hunter Thompson's gesture with a .45-caliber handgun.
She was at the gym when her husband took his life. And when family friend and Pitkin County Sheriff Bob Braudis confirmed the news, her mind raced. "I have enough will power," she thought. "I can turn back time. No, no, no. This is not right. This can't happen."
But upon seeing Hunter Thompson's body, she embraced him. "Since he'd done this, I did not want to make it difficult for his spirit," she said. "I wanted to make it loving."
Anita Thompson believes she will stay on at the expansive property and famous house that was an ever-changing archive of political, literary and name-your-category items. And she will continue to help administer Hunter Thompson's works.
"I'm going to keep on working for Hunter," she said. "He wanted this. He made sure that I was in place to continue on. I'll just do my job until I can be with him again."
She adds, citing the property's nickname: "It will remain Owl Farm. It will remain Hunter Thompson's Owl Farm."
The last book they had read out loud together was parts of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness, a dense classic that explores the fragility of civilization by one of Hunter Thompson's favorite authors. Yet, said Anita Thompson, "He thinks Conrad is funny."
Anita Thompson and her husband had a small tiff that afternoon. Hunter Thompson told her to leave the kitchen that was known across the world as his funky and sacred work space. A weird look came across his face.
"I don't know why he wanted me to leave the room," she said. "It's all speculation. He'd never asked me to leave the room before."
But Anita Thompson did not go to the office with Hunter Thompson's son, as he had requested. Instead, she left the house.
"I'm going to get my gym bag. I'm going," she recalled. "He said, 'I don't want you to leave the house.'"
But she went to the gym. At 5:16 p.m., according to her cell-phone display, she called and spoke with Hunter Thompson for 10 minutes and 22 seconds.
Hunter Thompson put almost everyone on speakerphone. But he picked up the handset to speak with his wife.
"I knew it was odd, first of all, that he picked up with the handset ... I thought, 'That's sweet,'" she said.
The talk was good.
"He said, 'I want you to come home after you work out. Come home and we'll work on a column,'" she recalled.
The conversation, however, never really ended. Before formal goodbyes, Anita Thompson heard a clicking sound. She thought Hunter Thompson might have put down the handset and was typing. Or maybe it was the television. She waited. Maybe a minute passed.
"He did not say anything about killing himself," she said.
The official time of death is 5:42 p.m.
But did Hunter Thompson shoot himself while on the phone with his wife?
"I did not hear any bang," she says, noting that Hunter Thompson's son, who was in the house at the time, believed that a book had fallen when he heard the shot.
Anita Thompson can imagine what was going through Hunter Thompson's mind before the fatal shot: My beloved son, grandson and daughter-in-law are here. I'm in my perch. The fireplace has fire.
"I don't know if it mattered if I was here," Anita Thompson says. "I just like to think, and believe in my heart, he felt happy in his life."
A woman at the gym saw Anita Thompson in the bathroom. She asked if Hunter Thompson was OK. Anita Thompson pretty much blew it off. Rumors about Hunter Thompson were always in the air. Anita Thompson replied, "Oh yeah," but added, "he's been pretty stressed out lately."
A strange look was on the woman's face. She told Anita Thompson to check her phone messages. The woman said she would stay at her side.
Now she was shaking, and could barely dial.
There was a message from Juan Thompson, Hunter's son. "Anita, you have to come home now, he's dead."
Anita Thompson then spoke to the sheriff on the phone.
Had Hunter Thompson intended for his wife of two years to be in the house?
"I don't know, and it's not that important," Anita Thompson says. "I know he loved me. There's no question ... I know he did not want me to find him alone. He knew I was opposed to it."
After wading through the police officers outside, Anita Thompson recalls seeing her husband's dead body for the first time. "He was sitting in the chair when they brought me in, and I got to hug him and kiss him and rub his legs," she said. "All the anger was gone when I saw him."
Anita Thompson does not know why Hunter Thompson chose the .45 from his vast collection of guns. But he was deft with his death. "He did not destroy his face," Anita Thompson says. "He did it in his mouth. His face was beautiful. It was quick. It was not grisly or gruesome by any means. That's probably why he took that gun. He spared us a gruesome scene."
She adds: "His face did look calm and peaceful. He looked content. Like he wanted it."
For Tuesday's cremation, Anita Thompson dressed her husband. He was wearing a light blue, seersucker suit, a Tilly hat and his reading glasses, which he had on when he died. He had asked her to include a lock of her hair with him on this occasion. She complied, and more, cutting off her one-foot long blonde ponytail.
Anita Thompson is depending on mundane chores, but also family, friends and the estimated 50 messages a day.
"Being alone with Hunter in our bedroom, and I've been reading his letters to me," she added. "They have a different charge now. He wrote the most beautiful love letters I have ever seen ... I'm so lucky."
Then there was the flag. Hunter Thompson is an Air Force veteran. And following protocol, according to Anita Thompson, a deputy coroner from neighboring Garfield County presented her with a U.S. flag. It now hangs on a storyboard in the kitchen area, normally used for Hunter Thompson's works in progress. A white, silk scarf that the Dalai Lama presented to Hunter Thompson ?? the two men looked alike ?? drapes over the flag.
The house is filled to the brim with flowers ?? especially orchids, Hunter Thompson's favorite.
"It's nice in here," says Anita Thompson. "He would like it. He does like it, I guess."
Yes, Anita Thompson says, the landmark writer is nearby. "Mainly in moments when you're quiet, you can feel him; it's a different energy than when he was in his body," she says. "It's in the chest. It's all encompassing, but just for a second. It's beautiful."
Hunter Thompson was huge on swimming for his exercise. But he was also known for his love of fine whiskey, and to put it far too mildly, for experimenting with most every intoxicant known to man.
"He loved his body, look what he did to it," Anita Thompson jokes. She then adds a line that maybe even she fails, on its face, to grasp the significance of: "He gave his body everything it wanted."
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
and a suicidal man in particular, than i do
Have you never thought of assisted suicides? Kevorkian? Voluntary euthenasia? Logans Run?
You dont think much.
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Originally posted by ratioci nation:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3575306,00.html (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3575306,00.html)
You beat me to it. I had forgotten his wife was 32....
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I can never understand why people so gleefully applaud someone for "living on his own terms."
When you take on the responsibility of a life partner and have a family, life is about living on the terms of others and sharing those terms. But I guess it doesn't always work out that way.
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Isn't this just another example of Thompson chasing Hemingway?
Rum Diary was a pretty Hemingway-esque novel and Thompson made no secret of his affinity for Hemingway, who also blew his brains out.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I can never understand why people so gleefully applaud someone for "living on his own terms."
When you take on the responsibility of a life partner and have a family, life is about living on the terms of others and sharing those terms. But I guess it doesn't always work out that way.
I don't have time to respond to this completely right now...but let's just say I disagree with you and will post more later
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Originally posted by Miss MaRpIe:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
and a suicidal man in particular, than i do
Have you never thought of assisted suicides? Kevorkian? Voluntary euthenasia? Logans Run?
You dont think much. [/b]
Originally posted by Bags:
Sorry, I think off-ing yourself via carbon monoxide poisoning in the garage or by taking pills in bed while the family's away is not as monstrous. I understand that the end result is the same, but making them witness/hear the event exhibits some sort of aggression or need for drama at the expense of how deeply you scar your family...
JESUS. i hate the internet sometimes.
you and bags don't understand what i'm saying.
of course it was a monstrous act. of course there are other options. of course some people who commit suicide are more thoughtful.
but many who commit suicide are either not functioning well enough to plan it out for least emotional harm to the loved ones or just don't give a fuck.
i was not surprised at all to find that HST's suicide fell into the latter category rather than the former.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
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but many who commit suicide are either not functioning well enough to plan it out for least emotional harm to the loved ones or just don't give a fuck.
He was obviously functioning well and obviously did give a fuck. Who is more likely to be right, you or GGW?
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Originally posted by Miss MaRpIe:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
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but many who commit suicide are either not functioning well enough to plan it out for least emotional harm to the loved ones or just don't give a fuck.
He was obviously functioning well and obviously did give a fuck. Who is more likely to be right, you or GGW? [/b]
thanks for your deep insights into a suicidal man's psyche ... looks like you got this case all wrapped up!
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he was an old man in ill health with a wife that knew he didn't have much time left when they got married. not sure how much responsibility he had there
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
thanks for your deep insights into a suicidal man's psyche ... looks like you got this case all wrapped up!
The fallacy of the excluded middle. Nice arguing Hoya!
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Originally posted by Miss MaRpIe:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
thanks for your deep insights into a suicidal man's psyche ... looks like you got this case all wrapped up!
The fallacy of the excluded middle. Nice arguing Hoya! [/b]
For all non-logic-freaks, an explanation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle) of Marple's deft rhetorical parry ...
pistols at dawn!
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
pistols at dawn!
Or, "Safari can??t open the page ??http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle? because it could not connect to the server ??en.wikipedia.org?."
Just because I do not have the answers, it does not mean you do.
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Originally posted by Miss MaRpIe:
Just because I do not have the answers, it does not mean you do.
true that, marple, true that ... what were we talking about again?
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Oh yeah, I remember.
I think that Hunter wanted to be like Hemmingway. Did you know he commited suicide with a gun to the head, too?
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I don't think mid-60's qualifies a man as "old", at leat not in this country.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
he was an old man in ill health with a wife that knew he didn't have much time left when they got married. not sure how much responsibility he had there
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To Juan Thompson, the suicide was his father??s final expression of an iron will to control his own destiny. Drugs played no role.
????He??d gotten a good night??s sleep, he was calm, he was relaxed, he was quite clear,???? he said. ????He believed very much in controlling events rather than being controlled by them. I would hope that people see it in that light: That we??ll never know why he chose this time, but that he had a good reason, and that it was completely consistent with his life, rather than an act of despair.???? (http://www.aspendailynews.com/articles.cfm?id=3)
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I don't think mid-60's qualifies a man as "old", at leat not in this country.
If he was entitled to get the senior discount on movie tickets, then yes, that qualifies him as old.
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Thanks for clarifying that. It's comforting to know that the entertainment industry are the people who define what old age is.
Originally posted by j_lee:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I don't think mid-60's qualifies a man as "old", at leat not in this country.
If he was entitled to get the senior discount on movie tickets, then yes, that qualifies him as old. [/b]
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you are as old as you feel, and if you've seen a picture of the man recently, he looked like he was 80
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
Thanks for clarifying that. It's comforting to know that the entertainment industry are the people who define what old age is.
Glad to be of help, pops.
Did you also miss the part where it said he had a grandkid (or kids)?
But then, I guess that doesn't qualify someone as being old, either. So when exactly does one become old in your mind?
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Originally posted by j_lee:
Did you also miss the part where it said he had a grandkid (or kids)?
thats a pretty weak argument
my dad is 65 and a grandad and I dont consider him to be old yet
my brother is also kind of a granddad and he is 32, but that is a long story that I wont get into here
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One is eligible for AARP membership at 50.
Given Thompson's lifestyle, his body was probably a lot older than his years would suggest. Reportedly, he needed help getting around lately. Like, getting from his desk to the bathroom.
The last year had been a difficult one for Thompson. A broken leg had kept him from getting out as often as he had in years past.
"Medically speaking, he's had an awful year," said Mike Cleverly, a neighbor and longtime friend of Thompson's. "He's the last person in the world I would have expected to kill himself. I would have been less surprised if he had shot me."
Gabrielle Rafelson, who lives in Aspen with her film director husband Bob Rafelson, said Thompson had struggled with back and hip pain over the past year.
Thompson, a close friend of her husband's, had developed a "dramatic limp" and wasn't recovering as quickly as he wanted, she said.
"That probably had something to do with it," she said, referring to his suicide.
http://www.aspendailynews.com/Search_Articles/view_article.cfm?orderNumber=10046 (http://www.aspendailynews.com/Search_Articles/view_article.cfm?orderNumber=10046)
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its the American Association of Retired Persons not the American Association of Old People
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Lets be honest, AARP is the old people's lobby.
Originally posted by ratioci nation:
its the American Association of Retired Persons not the American Association of Old People
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He's dead.
You don't get any older than that.
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Lets be honest, AARP is the old people's lobby.
it serves that function yes, but the only reason the age is as low as 50 is so that they dont limit their membership too much
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Or, perhaps it's because the geezers tend to be a little on the stingy side, so they realized that if they wanted to actually get some dues-paying members, they need to hit them up a little earlier in the wealth cycle.
Originally posted by ratioci nation:
Originally posted by ggw?:
Lets be honest, AARP is the old people's lobby.
it serves that function yes, but the only reason the age is as low as 50 is so that they dont limit their membership too much [/b]
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Or, perhaps it's because the geezers tend to be a little on the stingy side, so they realized that if they wanted to actually get some dues-paying members, they need to hit them up a little earlier in the wealth cycle.
right, they dont want to limit their membership ;)
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If you greet people at Wal-Mart then you're definitely "OLD".
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Hunter's suicide is an extremely classic case of the suicide of a manic depressive. Just about the right time of year too though a tad early. Most manic depressives who off themselves tend to do so in either March or April. Also, writers are extremely highly represented in the ranks of the manically depressed.
When a manic depressive does kill themselves, it's just at the turning point of just coming off of a manic cycle. You will often hear the friends and family make claims of surprise because of how happy they were at that time. The belief is that they can't handle the roller coaster ride back down the hill or that dreadful crash into despair.
Whether Hunter was a manic depressive, I honestly don't know but I would say that it's a fairly safe bet saying that he definitely was.
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i forgot to post this headline from last week's onion:
Contemporaries Remember
Hunter S. Thompson
As Ravenous, Mutant
40-Eyed Lizard-Demon
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
As Ravenous, Mutant
40-Eyed Lizard-Demon
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