930 Forums
=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ledererk on February 23, 2005, 02:42:00 pm
-
I've been to lots of shows at the 930 recently, ranging from Keane to Futureheads to Interpol (I will acknowledge right now that my tastes are hopelessly mainstream, don't bother to flame me) and an annoying thing I have noticed is the large number of really angry bitter-seeming people at shows. Especially the people who stand, motionless and humorless, up against the balcony rail, glaring down at everyone beneath who might dare to have fun, smile, or god forbid do a little mild head-bopping to the music. They will not laugh, move, sing along, or often even applaud the band. They seem to actually hate the band. But then why did they pay 30 bucks to see them?
It seems like there are a lot of hostile angry people posting on this board as well...and I can't help but imagine that they are the same people. As a lifelong music lover and concert goer, I say, lighten up! Isn't the point of going to a show to have fun and ENJOY the music? Do you really get any pleasure out of angrily standing there thinking about how much cooler you are than everyone else and how you hate anyone who actually came because they enjoy the band and enjoy listening to music? Fortunately, there are usually lots of other, sane people having fun and not fixing everyone with the Angry Hipster Death Glare, making the experience much more fun for everyone. Anyway, I know this posting won't change anyone's behavior, and that most of the "I refuse to smile, ever!" people are probably under 23 and still think that having rigidly enforced obscure music taste and hating "poseurs" who dare to occasionally shop at the Gap is the one thing that gives their lives meaning. I'm just sorry for them. Because I'm sure we could get along and have some things in common if they wouldn't snarl and curl their lips every time I make the mistake of smiling at one of them. But I guess I'm just too uncool to understand...
And yeah, I've never posted here before, so go ahead and yell at me for not having a right to post, being an outsider, knowing nothing about music or life in general, etc.
Cheers.
-
no, they were just angry because they payed good $$ for a suck-ass band like interpol
-
It seems like there are a lot of hostile angry people posting on this board as well...and I can't help but imagine that they are the same people. As a lifelong music lover and concert goer, I say, lighten up! Isn't the point of going to a show to have fun and ENJOY the music?
Everyone enjoys things in their own way. Why do you care if they aren't smiling?
You actually sound like the angry one. And for a pretty foolish reason it seems.
Of course, it could just be your selection of shows that brings out these fans...
-
forgive the regulars we are really inbred at this point... and if all the regulars i've ever meet are nice, well execpt for O'Mankie he's just drinking bitter...
-
If the "kml" in your user name means what I think it does, it sums things up even better than your choice in music.
-
besides we've gone over this DC audiences sucks topic time and time again. some people like to dance and have fun, some like to soak in the vibe, some are tired but still excited to be at the show... every city moans about it's scene...
just be thankful that artists REALLY appreciate playing the 9:30 club because they get treated so well there. it's professional run, dressing rooms are clean, etc.
sure it would be great if audiences were like the one i saw in the White Stripes Blackpool concert film, madly pogoing away for the hits. yet, someone would then complain about that....
and oh yeah welcome to the board, stay get to know that the bitterness is for the most part people venting because maybe they are having a crappy day at work. call us douchebags and all hell breaks loose...
-
Originally posted by kmldc:
I've been to lots of shows at the 930 recently, ranging from Keane to Futureheads to Interpol (I will acknowledge right now that my tastes are hopelessly mainstream, don't bother to flame me)
I love how you just completely disarmed the naysayers.
I know of what you speak, having been to so many shows in D.C. I've maintained before that it's not a DC thing, but an indie music thing. Whatever, that's probably me being defensive.
There are a few of us here who hop and bop and smile and really enjoy most shows in a pretty demonstrable way. Luckily nearly all of my friends do. I also know some boardies who are definitely enjoying the show, but still prefer the "standing still" pose. But those (usually) guys, who stand so stock still and proudly defiant of any emotional 'leakage' -- I don't know what their stories are. Still, there've been several great and enthusiastic audiences at the 9:30 Club -- I thought Interpol was actually pretty hopping (I think the folks up at the balcony rail are overly concerned with losing ground at their primo spot -- it's nearly always more lively downstairs, middle placement and forward...).
So what is KML supposed to stand for? (I tend to be extremely ignorant of...well, sometimes even obvious XstuffX.)
-
Well said, Kosmo.
I always find it laughable when people complain about an audience "just standing there." We're the paying audience, we should do what we feel, as long as it's not hurting others. I don't get up and dance at the movies, or at baseball games, and don't feel the need to dance or prance around at a concert.
I usually laugh at the people (badly) dancing, but it's certainly their right to dance, as long as they're not crashing into innoncent bystanders, spilling beer on them, or burning them with a cigarette.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
besides we've gone over this DC audiences sucks topic time and time again. some people like to dance and have fun, some like to soak in the vibe, some are tired but still excited to be at the show... every city moans about it's scene...
just be thankful that artists REALLY appreciate playing the 9:30 club because they get treated so well there. it's professional run, dressing rooms are clean, etc.
sure it would be great if audiences were like the one i saw in the White Stripes Blackpool concert film, madly pogoing away for the hits. yet, someone would then complain about that....
and oh yeah welcome to the board, stay get to know that the bitterness is for the most part people venting because maybe they are having a crappy day at work. call us douchebags and all hell breaks loose...
-
i don't buy the blame it indie music arguement one bit. did indie music suddenly make a segment of the concert going group dour? was there not death glaring in the 60's or was that just being cool...
-
KML is/are just my initials, which I assume is what the other guy was referring to in saying my handle was soooo lame. Unless it also stands for some obscure band I was not aware of, in which case, please let me know. Yeah, sorry I didn't spend hours frantically trying to think of a really profound and original screen name, I was more thinking of something I would be able to remember. Yet another thing that makes me less cool than most of the angry hipsters, I know. I sympathize with not wanting to dance or not being a really "movey" type of person, I'm not either, and I know dancing ability is a special embarrassment for guys. I don't have a problem with people standing still, it's more the angry glares in response to my polite/friendly smiles that are a pain in the arse. I mean, I don't expect everyone to start screaming like idiotic fratboys, but they could just relax a tiny bit without relinquishing their hipness, I would think.
Sad, because some of those hipster fellas are kind of cute, but so mean looking I would never dare to talk to them...I'm sure they see that as a blessing, as I might infect them with my horrifying yuppie tendencies. Oh well. Personally, I'm usually so happy to 1. not be at work, and 2. be out of the house, listening to music that I love, that even the sullen starers don't bother me all that much. But I admire the less self conscious people a lot more, I have to say.
Now, to really piss people off, I'm going to close with a smiley face!
:)
-
You don't really shop at the Gap, do you?
Most of the Board members I have seen at shows are fairly active.
Markie jumps up and down like a little boy and frequently heckles.
Lulu makes googly eyes and blows kisses to all the squiffy-haired boys.
Bags raises one hand over her head while swaying and woot-ing.
Kosmo does a twirly dance when wearing his kilt.
-
Originally posted by kmldc:
It seems like there are a lot of hostile angry people posting on this board as well...and I can't help but imagine that they are the same people.
not true. if you saw me at a show, you would then come and post about some drunk guy pushing his way to the front and then bouncing up and down the whole show, smoking cigarettes, and going to get another beer every 15 minutes. you wouldnt be able to see over me and i wouldnt let you stand in front of me, cause i fucking hate you. and its not cause I'm cooler than you, its because you wont say anything about it, til the next day on the messageboard. :)
-
I don't think people who actually think they are cool post on a chatboard, but thanks for making a bunch of assumptions about everybody here
but since you have already made your mind up, I will give you what you want:
<what you were looking for>your taste in music fucking sucks, and it is not our fault you feel insecure so think everybody else is cooler than you</what you were looking for>
ta ta
-
honestly, it's the age of my body not embarassment that is the root cause of my lack of movement. but as one member can attest, the spirit in the form of Sloan can even move these tired old bones.
-
Originally posted by kmldc:
I don't have a problem with people standing still, it's more the angry glares in response to my polite/friendly smiles that are a pain in the arse.
have you thought maybe this is because you are incredibly ugly, or just perhaps overall creepy looking?
-
Originally posted by kmldc:
KML is/are just my initials...Unless it also stands for some obscure band I was not aware of, in which case, please let me know.
That's of course what I assumed...some obscure 'lame' band, or maybe a trendy and uncool store at the mall. ;)
I don't have a problem with people standing still, it's more the angry glares in response to my polite/friendly smiles that are a pain in the arse.
I haven't seen that much, this glare you speak of. Of course, I'm all busy swaying and woot-ing. It is true, I usually have an arm up if it's a song I know -- took a long time to get over the urge to do the heavy metal devil fingers.
PS, ggw stands still, very still. Which is probably a good thing as he's as tall as a lighthouse. And he doesn't smile much, but definitely doesn't GLARE.
-
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
some drunk [gal] pushing [her] way to the front and then bouncing up and down the whole show, smoking cigarettes, and going to get another beer every 15 minutes.
Bags -- 12 years ago
Some gal pushing her way to the middle and then bouncing and swaying and woot-ing the whole show, going to get beer for everybody every 20 minutes (if it's a weekend) while avoiding cigarette burns from fellow fans.
Bags today
-
Originally posted by Bags:
Some gal pushing her way to the middle and then bouncing and swaying and woot-ing the whole show, going to get beer for everybody every 20 minutes (if it's a weekend) while avoiding cigarette burns from fellow fans.
Ok, thats probably more like it for me too...i dont even smoke at really crowded shows anymore....
-
Originally posted by kmldc:
KML is/are just my initials, which I assume is what the other guy was referring to in saying my handle was soooo lame. Unless it also stands for some obscure band I was not aware of, in which case, please let me know.
Well, at least you are off the hook on this one. Up here in Bodymore, Murderland the type of people that love the Blue Collar Comedy tour also tend to be fans of a radio morning show with those wild and crazy DJs Kirk, Mark and Lopez (http://www.98online.com/kml.html). They show their support by sporting KML bumper stickers. Usually right next to stickers of their favorite NASCAR driver's number, "W 04", and Calvin pissing on something.
-
KML = Kurt Mark Lopez, the 98 rock morning djs. (think that is their names).
-
Originally posted by kmldc:
But then why did they pay 30 bucks to see them?
most of the "I refuse to smile, ever!" people are probably under 23 and still think that having rigidly enforced obscure music taste and hating "poseurs" who dare to occasionally shop at the Gap is the one thing that gives their lives meaning
My two cents...
It's a rare band that I'd pay $30 to see...
I'm over 30, not under 23, and don't care to dance and bop around at shows or smile for no reason like some half-wit...if there happens to be a reason to smile, I will do so at my own discretion...
I think the Gap is an OK place to buy basic wardrobe staples...
-
The only show i can remember watching from the balcony was the Secret Machines (when the opened for Interpol)
I think i was glaring too, not at anyone in particular though. I was angry though, because last time i saw SM was when they played the Ottobar and there was 150 people there, and everyone was diggin em.
Six months later, i couldnt FIND a spot to even see the stage (and i'm 6'1") and when i looked down at the floor....no one was even head-bobbing. So sure, i was pissed that all those people who cared NOT about SM, were way closer than i.
i did go downstairs and annoy people during Interpol though ;)
-
Originally posted by Celeste:
I'm over 30, not under 23, and don't care to dance and bop around at shows or smile for no reason like some half-wit...if there happens to be a reason to smile, I will do so at my own discretion...
god, you are so fun. i wish i had friends like you.......a barrel of laughs i am so sure!!! woohooooo!!!!!!!!
-
Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Usually right next to stickers of their favorite NASCAR driver's number, "W 04", and Calvin pissing on something.
HAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
That Calvin pissing reference -- priceless. Alas, I go in to a conference call with that image emblazoned on my brain...
-
Originally posted by Celeste:
I'm over 30, not under 23, and don't care to dance and bop around at shows or smile for no reason like some half-wit...if there happens to be a reason to smile, I will do so at my own discretion...
I think the Gap is an OK place to buy basic wardrobe staples...
Could you cotton to the fact that more people on this bboard should take ecstasy before going to the club?
-
i'm only half-inbred...
on my father's side
-
Oh my god, that's horrible. I'm going to have to change my initials now...
Hate morning radio. Although having a bumper sticker with my intials might be so uncool it's cool, right? Now if only I had a car...
You informed:
Well, at least you are off the hook on this one. Up here in Bodymore, Murderland the type of people that love the Blue Collar Comedy tour also tend to be fans of a radio morning show with those wild and crazy DJs Kirk, Mark and Lopez. They show their support by sporting KML bumper stickers. Usually right next to stickers of their favorite NASCAR driver's number, "W 04", and Calvin pissing on something.
-
Originally posted by kmldc:
Sad, because some of those hipster fellas are kind of cute, but so mean looking I would never dare to talk to them...I'm sure they see that as a blessing, as I might infect them with my horrifying yuppie tendencies. Oh well. Personally, I'm usually so happy to 1. not be at work, and 2. be out of the house, listening to music that I love, that even the sullen starers don't bother me all that much. But I admire the less self conscious people a lot more, I have to say.
why do you assume that everyone at a show already loves the band? i go to see many shows just to see what a band sounds like live, or because a friend of mine is going, or because i don't have shit else to do on a tuesday night.
-
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by kmldc:
I don't have a problem with people standing still, it's more the angry glares in response to my polite/friendly smiles that are a pain in the arse.
have you thought maybe this is because you are incredibly ugly, or just perhaps overall creepy looking? [/b]
did anyone see the triumph does the grammy's piece on conan a couple nights ago?
absolutely hilarious, at one point he asked franz ferdinand: "so are you guys gay ....... or extremely gay"
-
I never understood spending money on bands that one is not a big fan of. Sort of like going to a Will Smith movie just because you want to see a movie.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by kmldc:
Sad, because some of those hipster fellas are kind of cute, but so mean looking I would never dare to talk to them...I'm sure they see that as a blessing, as I might infect them with my horrifying yuppie tendencies. Oh well. Personally, I'm usually so happy to 1. not be at work, and 2. be out of the house, listening to music that I love, that even the sullen starers don't bother me all that much. But I admire the less self conscious people a lot more, I have to say.
why do you assume that everyone at a show already loves the band? i go to see many shows just to see what a band sounds like live, or because a friend of mine is going, or because i don't have shit else to do on a tuesday night. [/b]
-
wow. i'm glad i don't go to interpol type shows and run into mean looking, stoic fans. i'll stick to the circle pits and fist pumping at flogging molly this monday. ;)
-
Originally posted by kmldc:
KML is/are just my initials, which I assume is what the other guy was referring to in saying my handle was soooo lame. Unless it also stands for some obscure band I was not aware of, in which case, please let me know. Yeah, sorry I didn't spend hours frantically trying to think of a really profound and original screen name, I was more thinking of something I would be able to remember. Yet another thing that makes me less cool than most of the angry hipsters, I know. I sympathize with not wanting to dance or not being a really "movey" type of person, I'm not either, and I know dancing ability is a special embarrassment for guys. I don't have a problem with people standing still, it's more the angry glares in response to my polite/friendly smiles that are a pain in the arse. I mean, I don't expect everyone to start screaming like idiotic fratboys, but they could just relax a tiny bit without relinquishing their hipness, I would think.
Sad, because some of those hipster fellas are kind of cute, but so mean looking I would never dare to talk to them...I'm sure they see that as a blessing, as I might infect them with my horrifying yuppie tendencies. Oh well. Personally, I'm usually so happy to 1. not be at work, and 2. be out of the house, listening to music that I love, that even the sullen starers don't bother me all that much. But I admire the less self conscious people a lot more, I have to say.
Now, to really piss people off, I'm going to close with a smiley face!
:)
Ahhhh we'd luv for you to become a Cartelite www.carteldc.com (http://www.carteldc.com) we luv people who smile and say hello at our shows..can't wait for everyone to hate us when we are as big as Coldplay! :)
-
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
The only show i can remember watching from the balcony was the Secret Machines (when the opened for Interpol)
I think i was glaring too, not at anyone in particular though. I was angry though, because last time i saw SM was when they played the Ottobar and there was 150 people there, and everyone was diggin em.
Six months later, i couldnt FIND a spot to even see the stage (and i'm 6'1") and when i looked down at the floor....no one was even head-bobbing. So sure, i was pissed that all those people who cared NOT about SM, were way closer than i.
i did go downstairs and annoy people during Interpol though ;)
i agree, i caught them open for the fire theft at black cat and the place was EMPTY ... big difference to that show ... i like those guys, got a good vibe going, like the spotlights (thankfully they don't strobe), not great songs but i'm sure they'll get better ...
-
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I never understood spending money on bands that one is not a big fan of. Sort of like going to a Will Smith movie just because you want to see a movie.
totally different ...
a) when you're at a movie theatre, you often have a choice between, maybe, 10 different movies. not so when you're bored on a tuesday night and go hit up a show for no particular reason.
b) going to a show is like a night out at a bar with some music playing. sometimes i'd rather spend $5-$15 and check out a band i don't know very well than just go across the street to chief ike's or something. not so with going to the movies (unless it's the drafthouse).
-
If anyone cares, I'll be at the Queens of the Stone Age show, up front, rocking the fuck out. Anyone near me at the Pixies shows (esp. Philly) probably was a little afraid, especially during "Caribou" when Frank shrieks "REPENT!" Some shows just make me lose my shit, but I admit that lately in DC people tend to be a bit more rigid than usual and I feel a bit more reserved as a result. But anyone that knows me also knows that I have fun, I really don't care what I look like. I hate to admit I agree with Rhett, but if you pay the dough, do what you want as long as you're not messing up someone else's evening by talking loudly, being a drunk jackass, and hurting people. I'll never forget the times that an audience made the show even better...Prodigy back in 1998 @ 9:30 (the entire main floor seemed to be jump up and down at the right moments) comes to mind. My thought though is that if you're not going to a concert to enjoy yourself and have a good time, then why bother going? I know that people aren't going to be happy and smiling at a Bauhaus show, but on the other hand, why not try to enjoy yourself just a bit? Bands appreciate it when people give some feedback instead of seeing a wall of Chinese terra cotta warriors.
-
hoya, dont explain yourself, rhett thinks everything everyone else does is stupid and pointless :)
i wish baltimore had more shows to go to. i would just drop by shows often, even if i didnt know who was playing!!!!!
-
I guess I'm just not one who sees shows for the sake of alleviating boredom. There's so many other options in life. To me, shows are something I look forward to and get excited about. But I guess I don't see standing in a crowded room of strangers, often smoking, often loud, and often rude, as something that is fun unless there is a great band involved to make the elements I don't enjoy tolerable.
Not criticizing, as Sonic would lead you to believe. Just differing priorities, I guess.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I never understood spending money on bands that one is not a big fan of. Sort of like going to a Will Smith movie just because you want to see a movie.
totally different ...
a) when you're at a movie theatre, you often have a choice between, maybe, 10 different movies. not so when you're bored on a tuesday night and go hit up a show for no particular reason.
b) going to a show is like a night out at a bar with some music playing. sometimes i'd rather spend $5-$15 and check out a band i don't know very well than just go across the street to chief ike's or something. not so with going to the movies (unless it's the drafthouse). [/b]
-
My faith in the overly-stoic DC audiences was renewed a bit last night at the Le Tigre show. People were dancing and jumping around like crazy.
-
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
[QB] I never understood spending money on bands that one is not a big fan of. Sort of like going to a Will Smith movie just because you want to see a movie.
Right-O. I'm also curious why one STAYS at a concert when they hate the band...unless you're waiting for the Academy Bus and all your little classmates. Why - too - would you then bitch and moan and denigrate the band the next day on this website when you already said prior to the show that you hate the band, their fans, and the horses they rode in on?
If you're expectation is you'll always find SHIT, guess what you'll always find?
-
i use the angry hipster death glare on people talking during openers. although i have come to realize its a hopeless cause. once i accidently used it on the lead singer of the headliner
-
-
Originally posted by Sheik Urass:
Right-O. I'm also curious why one STAYS at a concert when they hate the band...unless you're waiting for the Academy Bus and all your little classmates. Why - too - would you then bitch and moan and denigrate the band the next day on this website when you already said prior to the show that you hate the band, their fans, and the horses they rode in on?
I agree, it would be absolutely retarded -- in the most non-pc sense of the word -- to go to a show when you "hate the band, their fans, and the horses they rode in on", then come onto the message board and bitch and moan about the show ... who in their right mind would ever do that? more importantly, when have you seen that done on this board?
-
Along with Gorilla Nipple Fetish, Angry Hipster Death Stare would make a good band name.
-
whoops meant to type Glare instead of stare.
-
Hoya: Look up the word egocentric.
-
I've always wanted to ask this.
Is the bald guy who wears tight t-shirts, dances like Snoopy, and practically attends every show I am at a member of this forum?
He's not afraid to have a good time! That's for sure.
-
Originally posted by helicon1:
I've always wanted to ask this.
Is the bald guy who wears tight t-shirts, dances like Snoopy, and practically attends every show I am at a member of this forum?
He's not afraid to have a good time! That's for sure.
Seth Hurwitz
-
I agree with the sentiment of the original post completely.
You know, conditions are cramped at the 930, but if I show up late, I just elbow... er, make my way to the front. Once there, I like to flail about wildly to my favorite indie bands, sing along with every song as loud as I can and jump up and down.
Frequently, I'll hear somebody say something dumb like "ow... you elbowed me in the face, you knob," or... "hey dick, I can't hear the band over you yelling," or "excuse me, could you not pogo on my feet, please?" Most of the time, people don't say anything though, and just shoot me a dirty look. THE NERVE!!!
So to them I say, oh yeah? Well screw YOU, hipsters! What're you? Afraid to have a good time? If you want to stand there and be all "polite" and let other people enjoy the show, then that's your deal, but I'm just gonna have fun man, cos' it's all about ME!
WOOOOOOO!!!
-
kmldc you can change your screen name and keep your easy to use login name... just ask MiSs MaRpLe for pointers.
-
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Six months later, i couldnt FIND a spot to even see the stage (and i'm 6'1") and when i looked down at the floor....no one was even head-bobbing. So sure, i was pissed that all those people who cared NOT about SM, were way closer than i.
6'1"? You always say how tall you are. I figured you were like 6'5" or something.
-
Originally posted by Efram:
6'1"? You always say how tall you are. I figured you were like 6'5" or something.
nah. but i can see fine at shows 99% of the time. so i figure, compared to people, i am tall :)
with my heels, i am 6'5" :)
-
Originally posted by Sheik Urass:
Hoya: Look up the word egocentric.
so this was just another of those made-up things rattling around upstairs? i've honestly never seen anyone do that on here.
------------------------------------
Why - too - would you then bitch and moan and denigrate the band the next day on this website when you already said prior to the show that you hate the band, their fans, and the horses they rode in on?
-
Originally posted by helicon1:
I've always wanted to ask this.
Is the bald guy who wears tight t-shirts, dances like Snoopy, and practically attends every show I am at a member of this forum?
He's not afraid to have a good time! That's for sure.
Is that the "whooping guy"?
-
I believe his nom-de-guerre is "Coked-up Carl"
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Originally posted by helicon1:
I've always wanted to ask this.
Is the bald guy who wears tight t-shirts, dances like Snoopy, and practically attends every show I am at a member of this forum?
He's not afraid to have a good time! That's for sure.
Is that the "whooping guy"? [/b]
-
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
with my heels, i am 6'5" :) [/QB]
And 6'9" when you spike your hair and paint it purple.
-
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Efram:
6'1"? You always say how tall you are. I figured you were like 6'5" or something.
nah. but i can see fine at shows 99% of the time. so i figure, compared to people, i am tall :)
with my heels, i am 6'5" :) [/b]
"And there's Fletch, his hair in an Afro, dressed in Laker gold. He's 6 foot 5 inches, 6 foot 9 with the Afro ..."
-
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
with my heels, i am 6'5" :)
I'm 7' 3" from the runner of my 'Scalade....