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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: mockeylock on December 03, 2004, 12:50:00 am
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Is smoking allowed in the club? If, not, how strictly is it enforced?
The reason i ask is that my wife is pregnant, she would like to go see a show with me, but she won't go if it's full of smoke. I've been there probably 25 times and I just can't remember if people were smoking or not?
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Sorry, wrong forum. I'll post it in the faq.
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Yeah people smoke but fwiw I don't think one show will be harmful. Of course though your wife will do what she will do and I can understand that.
Both my kids went to the 9:30 in-utero. Me and the wife saw Iggy there when she was just about 9 months pregnant with our first. I had a few friends who worked at the club at the time though so they set us up with a comfy spot. We had a great time that night and everytime we hear Iggy or the Stooges we always think of that show and how little Sophie's first big rock show was so great. It's probably my favorite of all the great memories I have at the 9:30 club.
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Also some shows are specifically non-smoking per the artist's request. It could be one of those shows (Chick Corea for instance was smoke free). So mention the show with the question in FAQ.
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The club should ban smoking. There is no value in it whatsoever.
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A lot of people smoke when they drink, so if they drink they want to smoke. Don't let them smoke, and they often will drink less. Therefore the value to the club in letting people smoke is that they get more money.
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One random compromise to the whole smoking-ban debate might be banning smoking at performance venues, but not all bars.
If you want to see X band, it's not like they're playing all over town, and you can pick the non-smoking place to go see them. You have no choice.
But places that are simply bars with no ticketed performance events would be free to continue allowing smoking. This way people would be free to continue choosing their hangout of choice, be it smoking or non, without necessarily being forced to be at a smoking venue due to a unique, nowhere-else event.
This is probably a dumb idea waiting for holes to be shot in it, though.
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or they could only allow smoking in a certain area, like the upstairs, and people would still buy drinks. i would love to see it smoke free, the only thing i hate about most shows there is the smoke being blown in my face.
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i hate when ppl in the front smoke. you can't get away from it. some of them are under 18, and at the black cat (the only time i ever went) this bitch was drunk and smoking and i got burned...stupid bitch...
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just a short anecdote...
was in a double-t-diner last night in the smoking section, while a middle-aged woman was pacing back and forth through the smoking section with a baby in her hands....ahh the common sense!
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Ban it. I'd go to more shows if it were banned. That also = more money to the club.
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it's not that bad at 9:30. where it would really make a difference is at black cat.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
The club should ban smoking. There is no value in it whatsoever.
liberal
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One downside to no smoking in bars and clubs....you can now smell every fart, body odour, cheap and nasty perfume instead. Mind you, your clothes don't smell of farts the next day.
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damnit people, it's rock 'n roll. booze and cigarettes are just a part of the culture. what about the musician's that like to smoke on stage. quit being babies.
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Originally posted by prtybby:
quit being babies.
If your here long enough, you'll get used to it.
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Its not about smoking, its about the music, jeez, get over it.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by prtybby:
quit being babies.
If your here long enough, you'll get used to it. [/b]
Wah wah wah.....prtybby called me a baby.
Seriously, with your way of thinking, it should be compulsory to have a cigerette hanging out of your pie-hole while you ride a Harley Davidson....or call everyone "my nigger" and wear clothes that are 8 sizes to big for you if you listen to hip hop. Baaaa - baaaa! :roll:
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Originally posted by prtybby:
damnit people, it's rock 'n roll. booze and cigarettes are just a part of the culture. what about the musician's that like to smoke on stage. quit being babies.
So is Heroin, cocaine and pot, but those are not allowed in the club.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by prtybby:
damnit people, it's rock 'n roll. booze and cigarettes are just a part of the culture. what about the musician's that like to smoke on stage. quit being babies.
So is Heroin, cocaine and pot, but those are not allowed in the club. [/b]
The difference is Herion, cocaine and pot are not allowed anywhere and are illegal. Booze and cigarettes are not illegal and therefore, allowed in the club.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by prtybby:
damnit people, it's rock 'n roll. booze and cigarettes are just a part of the culture. what about the musician's that like to smoke on stage. quit being babies.
So is Heroin, cocaine and pot, but those are not allowed in the club. [/b]
The difference is Herion, cocaine and pot are not allowed anywhere and are illegal. Booze and cigarettes are not illegal and therefore, allowed in the club. [/b]
Well actually coke and heroin are legal for certain things, and alcohol and cigarettes are not legal for people under a certain age. So in some ways they are the same.
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Originally posted by prtybby:
it's rock 'n roll. booze and cigarettes
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you guys get provoked easily. you're fun.
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People smoke, get over it. It's a free country (at least for now anyway). If you don't want to be around it, go see the shitty bands at the Ram's Head.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by prtybby:
damnit people, it's rock 'n roll. booze and cigarettes are just a part of the culture. what about the musician's that like to smoke on stage. quit being babies.
So is Heroin, cocaine and pot, but those are not allowed in the club. [/b]
The difference is Herion, cocaine and pot are not allowed anywhere and are illegal. Booze and cigarettes are not illegal and therefore, allowed in the club. [/b]
Well actually coke and heroin are legal for certain things, and alcohol and cigarettes are not legal for people under a certain age. So in some ways they are the same. [/b]
Yeah coke is used in certain medical applications - it's a schedule 2 narcotic. But heroin, that's a schedule 1 narcotic and is not legal for any use at all, medical or otherwise (except for rare cases of authorized research).
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I'm rather torn about it
it imposes on the freedom of either side, no matter which you you go (smoking vs. non)
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
I'm rather torn about it
it imposes on the freedom of either side, no matter which you you go (smoking vs. non)
Since it's your club, if left up to you, what would you choose Seth? A smoking 9:30 or a non-smoking 9:30?
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Originally posted by chaz:
if left up to you, what would you choose Seth? [/b]
it is left up to him isnt it?
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The owner(s) of the 930 club are obviously intelligent and decent business men/women judgeing by the length of time the place has been around and the talent that comes in.
Does anyone here truly believe that if the owners thought they could make more $$$$ if the club was non-smoking that they would not do it in a heartbeat?
I believe it should be up to the proprietor of a business to decide is smoking is allowed or not, its a private establishment and it should be the owners right to choose what makes the most business sense!
If you dont like it dont go.
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in this case, it's not clear cut which way to go, for money or ethical reasons
some people like to enjoy smoking - I want to be a place where people have fun
some people hate smoking and don't want to be around it - those people deserve to enjoy themselves, too
like I said, I'm torn
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I'm not a smoker but couldnt imagine going to a concert and not having it. As long as the person isn't intenionally blowing it in my face, I don't mind it. I go there knowing that I'm going to at least smell it....Not a big deal.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
I'm not a smoker but couldnt imagine going to a concert and not having it.
I've attended shows in Boston and NYC where there is a government-issued smoking ban for clubs. It definitely makes a difference and is quite noticeable.
That said, 9:30 is one of my favorite venues....whether or not smoking is allowed isn't a top priority for me when it comes to choosing to attend a show.
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
some people like to enjoy smoking - I want to be a place where people have fun
if people enjoyed taking dumps in the middle of your club would you allow that?
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
some people like to enjoy smoking - I want to be a place where people have fun
if people enjoyed taking dumps in the middle of your club would you allow that? [/b]
Like they do at your house?
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
in this case, it's not clear cut which way to go, for money or ethical reasons
some people like to enjoy smoking - I want to be a place where people have fun
some people hate smoking and don't want to be around it - those people deserve to enjoy themselves, too
like I said, I'm torn
as a smoker, there are many "last minute decision" shows I just wouldn't go to if the club was non-smoking ... shows like Trash Can Sinatras or something, where I just decide to go that night, I probably wouldn't go if I couldn't smoke.
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I find it hilarious and sad that people 'enjoy' smoking.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Like they do at your house?
it's called a composter, duh
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Originally posted by econo:
I find it hilarious and sad that people 'enjoy' smoking.
huh? what cave did you just crawl out of?
i find it hilarious and sad that you can't fathom a smoker enjoying a cigarette.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i find it hilarious and sad that you can't fathom a smoker enjoying a cigarette.
That hacking cough smokers have doesn't sound as if it's a very enjoyable experience to me.
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hangovers are great!
I feel sad for people who drink.
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I was a fairly heavy smoker for almost 15 years. It is true - smokers do enjoy their ciggies. I know I did. After a while though, well I just didn't enjoy it as much. And my view of smoking and smokers changed drastically over time - it just didn't seem like a very bright thing to do for so many reasons, probably the least of which was health, although that was still a huge reason to quit.
- it was inconvenient. the care and feeding of a pack a day + smoking habit takes quite a bit of effort, esp in this day and age where you can't smoke in a lot of places.
- it's dirty and smelly. my clothes stunk. my house stunk. Also, I would see all these people littering with their butts and see butts on the ground and i just didn't want to be a part of that anymore. I was pretty good about putting butts in ashtrays/trash or just putting them in my pocket for later disposal if nothing else was available, but still, contributing to all the dirt and debris created by smoking didnā??t sit well with me.
- Letā??s face it ā?? big tobacco companies are among the most evil corporations on the earth. They make billions off a product that has killed literally millions of people. Knowing I was no longer supporting these scum-sucking pigs was all the inspiration I needed sometimes while I was trying to quit.
- And smoking is really bad for you. Ever known someone with emphysema or lung cancer? Not a pretty picture seeing someone try with all their might to breathe but still not get any air.
All that said, Iā??m still against smoking bans. I think if you own a building you should get to decide what people can and canā??t do inside it. Smoking doesnā??t bother me that much at shows, unless Iā??m sick maybe, and I donā??t think a venues smoking policy has affected my decision to go to a show, either before or after I quit.
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Love that movie....
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I must say, shows in NYC without smoke are pretty awesome. it's definitely a better environment without it, and it feels like fewer people are smoking.
I'm a former smoker who will still have one when I drink a certain amount...if there's no one smoking around me, I don't even think about it.
I'm wary of a ban. I'm torn, too -- selfishly, it helps me out to have no smoking allowed, but I remember how much I loved and enjoyed my cigs during a show (the thing to remember is, at a show, there's liquor, and for many smokers the liquor makes it nigh near impossible to refrain from smoking as well).
Tough question, very tough question.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
some people like to enjoy smoking - I want to be a place where people have fun
if people enjoyed taking dumps in the middle of your club would you allow that? [/b]
people might slip on it - insurance issue
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well, I don't know about you people but I'm not a smoker at all and it's not my style. I don't have time for smoke.