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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Random Citizen on December 05, 2004, 03:48:00 am
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Since there are douchebags at just about every show, why not put the spotlight on these asshats who ruin it for everyone else?
At tonight's Eagles of Death Metal show, there was a big group of under-21 year old males who pushed their way up front and started fuckin' moshing.
Also, there was a dumbass in front of me who decided that despite being taller than most of the people around him to stand right up front. During the Eagles' set, he didn't move at all. No head bob, no foot tap, no "woo hoo!" as a song ended. Nothing. Why come to a show, push your way up front and then just stand in the fuckin' way?
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don't take this the wrong way but you need to learn to deal...we are not 19 anymore and if you want to be polite schedule your musical nights out around the Wolf Trap lineup and realise that some of the impolite shit that you hate is a part of any "rock" show
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Pushing people out of one's way is rude regardless of age. I'm not sure how old you think I am with that Wolf Trap remark. I've been to more than a few hardcore shows (and this was definitely not one of them) and can hold my own. That doesn't excuse the behavior of those guys.
And no, I don't have to learn to "deal." Just because I refuse to step down to their level doesn't make me a push-over. It makes me a mature adult. There is a difference.
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Well if that tall guy wants to stand in front I don't really see any harm in that. Yeah sure it sucks to be stuck behind a guy who's much taller than you, but shit...If he isn't acting like a dick I say anyone can stand anywhere they please. If they get in your way, just move.
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Moshing to Eagles of Death Metal???? Oh to be young again! How were they?
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Originally posted by jardison:
Moshing to Eagles of Death Metal???? Oh to be young again! How were they?
Overall, I'd say they were OK. Josh Homme wasn't there, so I think that surprised some people. But Dave Catching on guitar was great. Jesse was hilarious, he was really after this one chick in the front row. Those wacky rock stars! ;)
There's only one EODM album and they played every song. For the encore, the band did a cover of "Brown Sugar."
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THOSE guys are in the Hall of Fame? C'mon. There are asswipes pushing people around at every show. And as far as the tall guy goes, its not his fault. He might have had a better time than you did. Just because he isn't breaking it down and singing at the top of his lungs and ripping his shirt off doesn't mean he's a douche. I'm not that tall, but I have found myself in front of short people before at shows. I might move a bit to the left or right, but besides that, there's not much you can do about your own genetic being. I think the suggestion that quiet, tall people are douches is a bit extreme.
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Jeebus, folks. Y'all need to calm down. Grab a cup of coffee, smoke an illegal substance, have sex, whatever.
I created the post partly in jest after the Interpol one downthread. As I've said before, I go to a show to have fun. If someone gets in my way, I'll either ask them to move or move myself (usually to a better spot in the first place).
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I think "booradley" might be a contender for douchebag status if he carries his "you just need to learn how to deal" attitude with him to shows, because that is exactly the attitude that causes people to behave like douchebags.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
I think "booradley" might be a contender for douchebag status if he carries his "you just need to learn how to deal" attitude with him to shows, because that is exactly the attitude that causes people to behave like douchebags.
Actually what causes most people to behave like douches is more often booze and unbridled youthful energy(that's a nice way of saying spoiled upper middle class suburban lack of compassion).I hate to disappoint you but sadly I am one of those folks at the show who stand quietly at the back,tip well and tries to be courteous to the people around me.It seems pointless to get into a pissing contest over who is more sanctimonious.It just seems to me that a lot of concertgoers get peeved by stuff that they probably did at one point.I for one find the raw enthusiasm of some kid trying to get to the front to see their favorite band less annoying than the "regulars" having a coffee klatch at the bar and talking loudly through the songs off the new record.In the case of truly intolerable behavior,that's what the bouncers/staff are there for presumably.
Maybe I am wrong but live rock-n-roll wouldn't be what it is without the fat sweaty guy who bumps into you and someone's bored girlfriend who blows cloved cigarette smoke in your face and the dude screaming at the top of his lungs for Freebird because somewhere in his subconcious he knows that this is a night he will remember fondly when he is married and tied down to some crap job,spending his Saturday nights staying home watching Tim Allen movies.
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Originally posted by booradley17:
because somewhere in his subconcious he knows that this is a night he will remember fondly when he is married and tied down to some crap job,spending his Saturday nights staying home watching Tim Allen movies.
Now, that's when he becomes a douche. :p
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heh, sorry to be so presumptuous... my bad.
I forgive youthful enthusiasm for the most part, less so when it's exhibited by not-so-youthful yuppies who should know better by then...
I think a lot of things come down to just devoting a small amount of braintime to thinking about those around you...
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people under 21 are stupid and will mosh to anything just to feel cool. sometimes they mosh when there is no music playing...they just wanted to do it. they probably thought it was a funny idea...
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Originally posted by flawd101:
people under 21 are stupid and will mosh to anything just to feel cool. sometimes they mosh when there is no music playing.
I've seen this before. August 31, 2003, I was a the Liquid Mix tour stop at Merriweather Post. I saw kids slamdancing to Robert Randolph and the Family Band. This not the type of dancing this kind of music was designed for. I also saw this twice when I attended 2 Fuel shows in 3 month period around last year at this time. A friend went the nutcracker, and he saw folks starting pits when the Killers and Franz played. There are some songs not worth slam dancing/start a mosh pit . Another example of lack of music education.
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I'm sort of obsessed with Black Cat's no crowdsurfing and stagediving rule. Moshing is stupid.
I get angry when people don't dance at some shows. I went to go see The Faint last time they were here, and there were several people in front of my who looked bored while everyone around htem was dancing like crazy. weirdos.
But most of all I hate people who sing really loudly along with the band in your ear. It's like, "I came to hear the band, not you."
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Hall of Fame, possible now with camera phones...
Some leading contenders:
1. Guy who talks under the tapers microphones (extra points for spilling drinks on the recording gear). They set up a tapers section to let people tape, and then someone f**ks it all up.
2. People who do the mega-loud whistling. It is more painful than loud music ever is.
3. Cigarette at the hip dude(tte). If you smoke in a crowded room, put that ciggie up where everyone can see it.
4. Talking dude. Wow, talk through a whole show. I once went to Cracker at the club (when Eurotrash Girl was big) and the whole crowd was louder than the band. I left 1/2 way through because you couldn't enjoy it.
5. I-want-to-be-in-front-but-I-came-late-a$$hole. I think this is who Random Citizen is really pissed about. They force their way to the front where there is no room (often knocking people over) and try to push people out of the way to get all the way up. Often kicked out, sometimes successful, never loved.
6. I-am-backstage-and-I-will-be-in-everyone-who-is-working's-way. These people need to learn that this stuff is heavy and get the heck out of the way. They feel because they are allowed backstage we must bow to them and not get in "their" way even when trying to work. Extra points for asking questions while I am working.
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most of this shit is the reason i just go right to the balcony...
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
5. I-want-to-be-in-front-but-I-came-late-a$$hole. I think this is who Random Citizen is really pissed about.
heh... this particular kind of douchebag can be stopped. One of them was trying to shove his way past a friend and I once, and it was quite obvious he wanted to shove his way directly in front of us, because the crowd was packed too densely. My friend blocked him with his arm and said "WHERE ARE YOU GOING?" and the douchebag didn't have a good answer beyond continuing to push. My friend said "if you don't have a place to go, I'm not letting you through." Douchebag gave up and went away.
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Kids mosh to anything and everything these days so I'm not really surprised about stories of idiots moshing to Eagles of Death Metal. Its the whole jock/HFStivalized mentality that I see on occasion at bigger shows such as the Bad Religion last month where muscle bound mutants weren't into dancing but doing the whole "I'm a jock and I'm going to show you what football practice is like" thing. I like to partake in the dance of slams once in awhile if i'm in the mood but of course only at the appropritate punk shows where 20 guys in mohawks are beating each other up. And the no crowdsurfing rule at Black Cat is A Ok with me!
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There is an old Cure live video from the early 90s in Europe. The kids are moshing to the cure.
Still remember at the old 9:30 some git was moshing and stage diving to Camper Van Beethoven. He was kicked out.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
There is an old Cure live video from the early 90s in Europe. The kids are moshing to the cure.
I bet all the indie people thought that was really cool at the time. Now other people are doing it and it isn't cool anymore.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
There is an old Cure live video from the early 90s in Europe. The kids are moshing to the cure.
I bet all the indie people thought that was really cool at the time. Now other people are doing it and it isn't cool anymore. [/b]
AT least try to make some sense or a point when posting, rob. its so very confusing what you're getting at so early in the AM like this....
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It's pretty easy to follow. Just take a shower, grab a bowl of wheaties, pour the milk, have some toast, then read the posts. You'll be able to keep up then. ;)
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Originally posted by booradley17:
don't take this the wrong way but you need to learn to deal...we are not 19 anymore and if you want to be polite schedule your musical nights out around the Wolf Trap lineup and realise that some of the impolite shit that you hate is a part of any "rock" show
I've always found that a gentle tap on the shoulder, then as they turn round head-butt them so the go bye byes until the following week usually takes care of the problem.
Hey, it's just part of any "rock" show, so learn to deal with old guys head-butting young ignorant pricks.
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i was pleased with the faint's crowd, there was a big tall guy in front of me, so i jsut made friends with the people next to him between sets and moved over, not that hard. basically i jsut talked my way all the way to the front of the crowd, without pissing people off.
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I must say, the really tall guy who doesn't move is the best kind of tall guy. You can just move your head or shift a bit and see. The hardest really tall guy to deal with is the dancing or side-to-side swaying guy, cuz he keeps moving into your sight line -- you basically are forced to sway at his chosen rate in order to see.
But, it's no tall guy's fault that he's tall, and he has as much right as anyone to stand where he can. A friend of mine is 6' 2", and he hunches -- he's so self-concious about blocking folks view, but most of the time he's one of the most excited and devoted audience members there.
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At Ted Leo, there was a really tall girl with a pony tail who was dancing a goofy Cameron Diaz dance right in front of me. I would have been annoyed, except there was something endearing about her goofiness and total lack of self-awareness...also it took all the strength I had not to pull her ponytail...
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
her goofiness and total lack of self-awareness...
Maybe she just didnt care what other people thought of her dancing.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
her goofiness and total lack of self-awareness...
Maybe she just didnt care what other people thought of her dancing. [/b]
that's what I just said.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
her goofiness and total lack of self-awareness...
Maybe she just didnt care what other people thought of her dancing. [/b]
that's what I just said. [/b]
rob has decided to defend everyones honor today....how noble :)
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What a bunch of pussies on this site. I don't like the jock guy just rushing people in the pit either, but just because people move and shake different than you is no reason to hate. Sounds like a lot of people posting on here are the "I'm too hip for even this show" kinda crowd. And if you're ever complaining about pushing or moshing, stop going to shows...People these days just lost their edge and wanna bitch. If you wanna see the show in an insulated environment, buy a DVD or something, assholes. And fuck sitting in the back if I didn't show up early, I'll push up to wherever I want. I payed same price and don't decide how my schedule/traffic will go, so fuck the guy that says otherwise.
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Originally posted by MagnumRick:
What a bunch of pussies on this site. I don't like the jock guy just rushing people in the pit either, but just because people move and shake different than you is no reason to hate. Sounds like a lot of people posting on here are the "I'm too hip for even this show" kinda crowd. And if you're ever complaining about pushing or moshing, stop going to shows...People these days just lost their edge and wanna bitch. If you wanna see the show in an insulated environment, buy a DVD or something, assholes. And fuck sitting in the back if I didn't show up early, I'll push up to wherever I want. I payed same price and don't decide how my schedule/traffic will go, so fuck the guy that says otherwise.
i hope you don't kiss your momma with that mouth. looks like someone needs their mouth washed out with soap.
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Originally posted by MagnumRick:
What a bunch of pussies on this site. I don't like the jock guy just rushing people in the pit either, but just because people move and shake different than you is no reason to hate. Sounds like a lot of people posting on here are the "I'm too hip for even this show" kinda crowd. And if you're ever complaining about pushing or moshing, stop going to shows...People these days just lost their edge and wanna bitch. If you wanna see the show in an insulated environment, buy a DVD or something, assholes. And fuck sitting in the back if I didn't show up early, I'll push up to wherever I want. I payed same price and don't decide how my schedule/traffic will go, so fuck the guy that says otherwise.
And when you get kicked out for pushing up through the crowd, what then? Remember you snooze you lose. You want to get to the front, put the time and effort in and get there early. You can, if you really wanted to. But to force your way through people to fill a space that doesn't exist is rude. Period. What would you do if someone shoved you out of the way to get in front of you?
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Originally posted by MagnumRick:
What a bunch of pussies on this site. I don't like the jock guy just rushing people in the pit either, but just because people move and shake different than you is no reason to hate. Sounds like a lot of people posting on here are the "I'm too hip for even this show" kinda crowd. And if you're ever complaining about pushing or moshing, stop going to shows...People these days just lost their edge and wanna bitch. If you wanna see the show in an insulated environment, buy a DVD or something, assholes. And fuck sitting in the back if I didn't show up early, I'll push up to wherever I want. I payed same price and don't decide how my schedule/traffic will go, so fuck the guy that says otherwise.
You sound like you're the king of the pit! Pat yourself on the back jerkoff!
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MagnumDick. King of the pit. And if you don't like it, then fuck you!
Congratulations to the newest member of the Douchebag Hall of Fame. You deserve it Dick!
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Originally posted by MagnumRick:
What a bunch of pussies on this site. I don't like the jock guy just rushing people in the pit either, but just because people move and shake different than you is no reason to hate. Sounds like a lot of people posting on here are the "I'm too hip for even this show" kinda crowd. And if you're ever complaining about pushing or moshing, stop going to shows...People these days just lost their edge and wanna bitch. If you wanna see the show in an insulated environment, buy a DVD or something, assholes. And fuck sitting in the back if I didn't show up early, I'll push up to wherever I want. I payed same price and don't decide how my schedule/traffic will go, so fuck the guy that says otherwise.
Hey fartblossom...it's not about losing an edge or being too hip. It's about having and displaying some decorum and manners, which plainly you don't have!
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I love these rockers....or should I saw rawwwwkers! :roll: When was it ever sex, drugs, ignorant pricks and rock and roll?
Just keep arriving late then pushing to the front and someone will eventually give you a real rock n roll hurting.
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I was agreeing with everything he said until he came to the pushing his way to the front comment. I guess during a heavy show its ok cause everyone is pushing and shoving anyways. But for a not so heavy show, It's just not right....That simple....But pretty much the rest of your comments were dead on.
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Yeah, I can't wait to mosh to Wave of Mutilation tonight!
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i hope you don't kiss your momma with that mouth. looks like someone needs their mouth washed out with soap.
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