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Top 10 Best Songs Ever Recorded, from Q Magazine's 1001 Best Songs Ever.
1. One - U2
2. I Say A Little Prayer - Aretha Franklin
3. Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
4. A Day In The Life - The Beatles
5. In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley
6. My Name Is - Eminem
7. Creep - Radiohead
8. Independent Women Part 1 - Destiny's Child
9. Live Forever - Oasis
10. River Deep Mountain High - Ike and Tina Turner
U2 SONG IS BEST ONE EVER
U2's bittersweet meditation on love, One, has been named the greatest song ever recorded.
Music experts placed the tune, which had only a brief and unremarkable spell in the charts, above efforts by Elvis and The Beatles.
It topped the list in a special edition of respected music magazine Q honouring the 1001 Best Songs Ever.
U2 guitarist The Edge said: "When we named it, I always knew it would be number one at something."
The song was recorded at the tail end of 1990, roughly halfway through the band's - so far - quarter century career, as they tried to reinvent themselves with the Achtung Baby album.
The band, yearning to leave behind the earnest flag-waving of old had headed to the Berlin studios where David Bowie recorded Heroes.
"We all went out into the big recording room - a huge, eerie ballroom full of ghosts of the war - and everything fell into place," The Edge told the Q special.
The song - which peaked at number seven in the chart and managed just six weeks in the top 75 - is a favourite at weddings and was recorded to dramatic effect by the late Johnny Cash.
Beatles: Down at No 4
Q's writers and a selection of well-known musicians cast their votes for the list of great songs.
Runner-up was Aretha Franklin's I Say A Little Prayer, written by the renowned songwriting partnership Bacharach and David.
Nirvana came third with Smells Like Teen Spirit, the rock anthem which briefly made them possibly the world's biggest band.
And The Beatles' epic production A Day In The Life - a segue of a Lennon tune connected to a McCartney track with the aid of producer George Martin's euphoric string arrangement - was fourth.
The Fab Four have seven other tracks in the top 1001, including Something, In My Life and Paperback Writer.
Radiohead have the highest number of entries in the list with nine songs - the highest, Creep, at number seven.
Editor in chief of the special edition, Paul Trynka, said: "Our writers and experts weren't asked to name the most historic songs of all time - rather it was the songs they enjoy hearing; songs you can use every day, whether that be on your Walkman or your brand new iPod."
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Rolling Stone - 500 Greatest Albums of All Time
It's certainly a thrill: 'Sgt. Pepper' is best album
By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY
To everyone's complete lack of surprise, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band has been anointed the best album ever in a new Rolling Stone poll.
Rolling Stone chose the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band as the top album of all time, but editors say Pepper "wasn't a slam dunk."
The Beatles' consecrated 1967 classic tops "The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time," a collector's issue on stands Friday. Though typically the odds-on favorite for such rankings, Sgt. Pepper wasn't a slam-dunk.
"There was a horse race," says Rolling Stone music editor Joe Levy. "Early on, any number of albums in the top 10 were in the lead. The final result is no shock, but there's a reason for that. The Beatles, after all, were the most important and innovative rock group in the world. And Sgt. Pepper arguably set the tone for what an album could be."
Top 10 albums
1. The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
2. The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds
3. The Beatles, Revolver
4. Bob Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited
5. The Beatles, Rubber Soul
6. Marvin Gaye, What's Going On
7. The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street
8. The Clash, London Calling
9. Bob Dylan, Blonde on Blonde
10. The Beatles, The Beatles (The White Album)
The Beatles have four albums in the top 10. Predictably, the list is weighted toward testosterone-fueled vintage rock. The top solo female is Joni Mitchell, whose 1971 Blue is No. 30.
The newest entry is this year's Elephant by the White Stripes, landing at No. 390. The most current disc in the top 20 is Nirvana's 1991 breakthrough, Nevermind. Recent albums by Coldplay and The Strokes also made the cut, as did all three Eminem releases and a wide range of hip-hop.
"A classic record proves itself over time," Levy says, "so it's gratifying and surprising to see so many newer records on the list, considering they're competing against such beloved and titanic records as Rubber Soul and Dusty in Memphis."
Rolling Stone asked musicians, critics, historians and key industry figures to rank their 50 favorites. The 273 participants included Beck, U2's The Edge, Jackson Browne, Art Garfunkel, Missy Elliott and members of Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, Linkin Park and The Doors. The Ernst & Young accounting firm devised a point system to weight votes for 1,600 submitted titles.
Voters were invited to identify favorites from any period or genre, allowing a smattering of country (Johnny Cash), jazz (Miles Davis) and seminal blues (Howlin' Wolf). The list also accommodates greatest hits collections and live recordings; four James Brown picks include two sets of hits and Live at the Apollo (1963). Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Hank Williams, The Drifters and Loretta Lynn, who flourished during the era of 45s, are represented only by hits compilations.
"Artists whose best works were singles are not going to be well represented," Levy notes. For example, he adds, "Disco is under-represented because it's a singles-driven genre."
We gathered up a few interesting statistics from the Rolling Stone "500 Greatest Albums of All Time" list:
Artists with the most entries in Rolling Stone's 500 best albums:
Beatles: 11
Bob Dylan: 10
Rolling Stones: 10
Bruce Springsteen: 8
The Who: 7
David Bowie: 6
Elton John: 6
5 each: The Byrds, Led Zeppelin, Neil Young, Otis Redding, U2
4 each: Madonna, Bob Marley, Elvis Costello, Grateful Dead, James Brown, Police, The Smiths, Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd, Prince, Roxy Music, Simon & Garfunkel, Sly & the Family Stone, Stevie Wonder, Talking Heads.
Decade by decade breakdown: 50s or before: 29 albums (5.8% of total 500 list) 60s: 126 (25.2%, but 55% of the top 20 70s: 183 (36.6%) 80s: 88 (17.6%) 90s: 61 (12.2%) 00s: 13 (2.6%).
Albums by men or male-led groups: 439 (87.8%)
Women or female-led groups: 47 (9.4%)
Mixed groups (with more or less equal female and male lead singers): 14 (2.8%)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The Beatles' consecrated 1967 classic tops "The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time," a collector's issue on stands Friday.
One of my pet peeves. A collectors issue that isn't even on the f*cking stands yet. Rolling Stone is the worst purveyor of such nonsense, but others do it as well.
:mad: uuuurgh
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I hate Sgt Pepper. It is so dated now.
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Originally posted by markie:
I hate Sgt Pepper. It is so dated now.
yeah a day in the life is such a horrible song :roll:
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Originally posted by markie:
I hate Sgt Pepper. It is so dated now.
not too mention so over-rated...it's not even the best Beatles album.
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Its good and there are other good songs, but fixing a whole and when I'm sixty four dont belong on the best album ever. Dark saide of the moon forms a much better contiguous album
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by markie:
I hate Sgt Pepper. It is so dated now.
yeah a day in the life is such a horrible song :roll: [/b]
thats my favourite beatles song.
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I love the Beatles...don't get me wrong. But I get a little tired of these lists that put them way up at the top. It's a little to predictable. Like I said...they're wonderful, they wrote incredible tunes, etc., but there are a lot of other records out there that will stand the test of time as well as the Beatles.
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Bunnyman raises a question I have...I know the Beatles are great, but what exactly is it that has brought them such singular fame and influence? Wow, they're just pop songs. But was that particularly innovative at that particular time?
I'm not disparaging the Liverpudlians, just honestly curious as to their unmatched stated influence.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Bunnyman raises a question I have...I know the Beatles are great, but what exactly is it that has brought them such singular fame and influence? Wow, they're just pop songs. But was that particularly innovative at that particular time?
I'm not disparaging the Liverpudlians, just honestly curious as to their unmatched stated influence.
IMHO of course
In Britain they were the figurehead for the merseybeat thing,which even I'm too young to remember.
In the US they were the figurehead for the British invasion.
A good band? Absolutely.
One of the best? Not really.
A good band in the right place at the right time basically.
Just like for me, Joy Division will always be the band I think of regarding the start of the manchester thingie. Are they the most talented band to come from manc? Probably not, but they were the band that I first remember from when it started.
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The beatles wrote their own songs, which does not seem to be that common for music groups at the time.
Didnt the Sex pistols kick off the whole Manchester thing?
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I guess my question arises from the almost universal acknowledgement that the Beatles are the most seminal band in rock n' roll. As you mention, Joy Division inspired Manchester, the Stones inspired their type of rock n' roll, etc. But the Beatles seem to hold the preeminent seat, virtually across genres. Regardless of our personal tastes.
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the best 5 english bands ever.
1. Pink Floyd
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Radiohead
4. The Who
5. Joy Division
see, not even on there ;)
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The best thing that ever happened to Joy Division was the singer hanging himself, allowing for the one guy in the band with a decent singing voice to take over. The singing in Joy Division was gawd awful.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
the best 5 english bands ever.
1. Pink Floyd
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Radiohead
4. The Who
5. Joy Division
see, not even on there ;)
you eeeeeeediot. You forgot the Clash. Personally I would take the Smiths and the Sex Pistols over radiohead and joy division, clash over the who. But the Beatles over Led Zep.
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Originally posted by mankie:
A good band? Absolutely.
One of the best? Not really.
A good band in the right place at the right time basically.
RIGHTO, mank
precisely the way i feel about Nirvana as well.
You dont think that grunge thing would've happened anyway? I do.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The best thing that ever happened to Joy Division was the singer hanging himself, allowing for the one guy in the band with a decent singing voice to take over. The singing in Joy Division was gawd awful.
ahh you are such a clown.
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No one, not even George Martin, who helped create their music, can articulate what is so special about the Beatles. Nor is it easy to explain why their mystique continues to grow, recruiting new fans with each generation. Perhaps the timeless fascination with the Beatles and their music defies explanation, but a few factors do shed some light on the group's lasting appeal.
The Beatles redefined the parameters of rock and roll music and demonstrated that its possibilities were limitless. Once albums like "Rubber Soul," "Revolver," and "Sgt. Pepper" conquered the charts it was clear that rock and roll could be just about anything that anyone wanted it to be. The Beatles may have been partially shaped by Elvis Presley, Little Richard and Chuck Berry, but they did not confine themselves to that early form of teen rock and roll for very long. As those pioneers had captured the frivolous teenage spirit of the fifties, the Beatles bent and shaped their music to match the mood of '60s youth, which had moved from the malt shop and teen hop to the more dangerous battlefields of sit-ins and political demonstrations.
The Beatles revolutionized studio recording methods, proving that there was no sound, mood or effect that could not be achieved if all possibilities were explored. Today, many of those innovations are taken for granted, but the Beatles had to imagine or invent them on the fly. "We didn't have any magic or electronic boxes to plug into," their engineer Geoff Emerick points out. "We had to make it all mechanically ourselves. Most of the gadgets you can buy today are just based on the things we used to do mechanically. The artificial double tracking and the flanging and all that sort of stuff." The Beatles added their own experimental innovations, including endless tape loops that combined multiple layers of sound, backward effects, and the introduction of instruments like the sitar, the mellotron and the synthesizer. They did not hesitate to bring any instrument or musician into their sessions, whether it was a lone horn player, a string quartet, or a full symphony orchestra. After the Beatles, the only limitations were those of imagination, creativity and effort. The Beatles even managed to break the long-standing three-minute time limit rule that had applied to virtually all previous hit singles by clocking in with the 7:11 "Hey Jude." And, along the way, they invented the modern outdoor stadium concert.
The Beatles seldom, if ever, repeated themselves. Unlike many rock and roll singers who preceded them, they did not attempt to continually recycle the sound or "formula" of their first hit over and over, a mindless strategy that was followed by far too many artists and producers in the '50s and early '60s, and which spawned a legion of one-hit wonders. Each new Beatles record, particularly after their first two albums, showed significant creative growth.
The Beatles "died young" by calling it quits while still at their peak. They didn't dwindle down to a second- or third-rate act. Despite 25 years of solo work, they are still frozen in that 1960s image, the top group in the world with lots of remaining potential, albeit unrealized - enough to fuel decades of "what ifs."
The Beatles' music has been made more special by the group's lasting breakup. When they closed shop at Abbey Road in 1970, it was really for good. There was no reunion album, no reunion concert, no one-off charity gig. When Lennon died in 1980, all chance of a real reunion died too. Fans may enjoy "Free As A Bird," but the Beatles can never really come together again. That leaves a finite body of work comprising 13 albums and 22 singles that represent all of the real music the Beatles ever produced together for public consumption. The "Anthology" packages of outtakes, demos, and home recordings lends insight into the creation of that music, but does not really enhance it. That finite status adds a special preciousness to the Beatles' music.
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
the best 5 english bands ever.
1. Pink Floyd
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Radiohead
4. The Who
5. Joy Division
see, not even on there ;)
you eeeeeeediot. You forgot the Clash. Personally I would take the Smiths and the Sex Pistols over radiohead and joy division, clash over the who. But the Beatles over Led Zep. [/b]
ok, i KNEW i would forget one, take out JD and put in Clash. and Led Zeppelins songs are MUCH more musically....something, than the Beatles.
no arugments on Pink Floyd being #1?
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Of course, you can't discount the possibility that the Beatles success is due to selling their souls to satan.
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Beatle Lyrics
The folling are lyrics that seem inocent enough at first glance, but when you take a closer look with wisdon, you begin to see the true meaning.
Hey Jude.
"Hey Jude, don't make it bad take a sad song and make it better. The minute you put it under your skin, then you begin to feel better".
What does one put under their skin to make them feel better?
How about a needle full of heroin. It is bad enough to do heroin but to then promote it to the youth is absolutely evil. It is by the way common knowledge that the Beatles were all heroin adicts.
Strawberry Fields Forever
When people shoot drugs, the needles leave marks on the arms. Drug adicts call these red marks "strawberry feilds" In this song John Lennon is expressing his desire to always shoot drugs into his body.
This song sounds like a drug induced experience and was written while Mr. Lennon was high on heroin.
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away
"Here I stand, head in hand turned my face to the wall"
This song is obviously about masturbation, which is a sin
Revolution 9.
In this song the meaning is cleverly concealed, in fact you cannot hear the secret message unless you play the record backward on a special player. When tured backwards you can hear the words "turn me on dead man, turn me on dead man", this was done to secretly express the fact that John Lennon was, in secret, a homosexual necrofeeliac, a ritual that has been performed for centuries by African Satanic organizations.
It Won't Be Long
"It won't be long 'till i can be with you"
It dosn't take long into this song before you figure out that The Beatles are waiting to be called home by Satan.
Little Child
"Little child, little child, little child won't you dance with me"
Need more be said?
You Really Got A Hold On Me
Another self explanitory title, of course Satan has a hold on you idiots.
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
The Initials for this song are L.S.D., a drug. The song is about an LSD trip that McCartney had
Yellow Submarine
"We all live in a yellow submarine"
During the period when this song was written, the Beatles were taking LSD in the form of a yellow capsule.
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Originally posted by Bagster:
Wow, they're just pop songs.
that might be the understatement of the year. I cant explain why, but there is something more special about the Beatles songs that set them apart.
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Originally posted by markie:
The beatles wrote their own songs, which does not seem to be that common for music groups at the time.
Didnt the Sex pistols kick off the whole Manchester thing?
The pistols kicked it off for Tony Wilson...but I think the manc thing would've happened regardless.
As for Nirvana, a totally shit band with a pretty blue eyed/blond singer who happened to be in the right place......not a fan, but Pearl Jam have more talent in their little toes than that pile of shit called Nirvana.
Top 5 Brit bands...hmmmmm
no order,
Clash
Smiths
Kinks
Pogues
Beatles
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I can't stand Pink Floyd. At all, and because of that I can't comment on their merit (so will never bother), as I just have no idea. I don't like 'em, but they may be important. Number one? Seems a stretch.
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not real into floyd either. saw that darkside of the moon/wizard of oz thing too many times. i'd go:
who
clash
jesus and mary chain
radiohead
(tie)nick drake/donovan
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Each to their own opinion...BUT...of all the great, great bands that tiny little island has produced, anyone who says Radiohead is one of the greatest is absolutely fucking, without question, totally, completely off their heads. You may as well add another flavor of the week up there too...Duran Duran. :roll:
I would put Oasis waaaaaay above Radiohead on any list...and I wouldn't put them in the top 50.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I would put Oasis waaaaaay above Radiohead on any list...and I wouldn't put them in the top 50.
Thats harsh......
Perhaps Mank, that Radiohead is to some generations what joy division was to yours. Imagine how much better radiohead would be regarded if Tom Yorkie had died after their third album?
My God at that point they could have become the greatest band ever, there was so much potential. Its a shame he didnt die. Much as its a shame poor old Ian did, but he might have sullied his good record too, if he had not.
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i dont think Radiohead would be 1/2 the band they are without their last 3 albums.
and i wouldnt even admit Oasis is FROM england if i were you.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i dont think Radiohead would be 1/2 the band they are without their last 3 albums.
and i wouldnt even admit Oasis is FROM england if i were you.
I don't mind Oasis being from England...I just wish they were from London or somewhere...but then they'd be total shite I suppose.
Radiohead are Englands Nirvana...terribly over-rated and over-hyped by a few fanatical fans.
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by mankie:
I would put Oasis waaaaaay above Radiohead on any list...and I wouldn't put them in the top 50.
Thats harsh......
Perhaps Mank, that Radiohead is to some generations what joy division was to yours. Imagine how much better radiohead would be regarded if Tom Yorkie had died after their third album?
My God at that point they could have become the greatest band ever, there was so much potential. Its a shame he didnt die. Much as its a shame poor old Ian did, but he might have sullied his good record too, if he had not. [/b]
So what "movement" are Radiohead responsible for?
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The only movement Joy Division ever caused was my movement into the next room when they are playing. That dead turd sang like a monotone drunk.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The only movement Joy Division ever caused was my movement into the next room when they are playing. That dead turd sang like a monotone drunk.
Could you fuck off and go there now please?
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I wonder how you would describe Lou Reed's singing, or Joe strummer/ Mick Jones? If you like singers so much why dont you just listen to Mariah Carey, or Christina Aguilera, or Celine Dion. they are all much better singers than any anyone I have in my collection.
What movement did Joy Division begin, Mankie?
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Let me give credit to my wife for pointing out how awful a singer he was. I haven't listened to any JD for a good ten years, but we heard "Love Will Tear Us Apart" on the radio the other day, and me explaining who it was, she made the astute point that his voice was awful and he sounds like a drunk.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The only movement Joy Division ever caused was my movement into the next room when they are playing. That dead turd sang like a monotone drunk.
Could you fuck off and go there now please? [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Let me give credit to my wife for pointing out how awful a singer he was. I haven't listened to any JD for a good ten years, but we heard "Love Will Tear Us Apart" on the radio the other day, and me explaining who it was, she made the astute point that his voice was awful and he sounds like a drunk.
Then if your smart, attractive, intelligent, gourmet,great head giving wife said it...it must be so.
I stand corrected, and apologize.
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Originally posted by markie:
I wonder how you would describe Lou Reed's singing, or Joe strummer/ Mick Jones? If you like singers so much why dont you just listen to Mariah Carey, or Christina Aguilera, or Celine Dion. they are all much better singers than any anyone I have in my collection.
What movement did Joy Division begin, Mankie?
The whole manc-sound movement (imho)!
And don't forget Charlotte Church.
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I dont know about that Mankie.....
Personally I think New Order did the better job of being an influence with the rock/dance crossed sound. How about a compromise with Bernie Sumner?
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Originally posted by markie:
I dont know about that Mankie.....
Personally I think New Order did the better job of being an influence with the rock/dance crossed sound. How about a compromise with Bernie Sumner?
Were did New Order come from?? But your point is a good one. I guess Joy Division was getting played in the manc clubs more than anywhere else which is why I think of them before New Order
Bernie it is then.
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I would describe Lou Reed's singing as utter rubbish. Unlistenable in my opinion. Though I do have his New York album, and the fast songs are decent due to the nice guitar work and lyrical wordplay.
Mick Jones/Joe Strummer's voices fit the music they played just fine, but by no stretch were their voices ear pleasing, or even all that interesting.
I don't like the music styles that the other artists that you mention do, so why should I listen to them?
Originally posted by markie:
I wonder how you would describe Lou Reed's singing, or Joe strummer/ Mick Jones? If you like singers so much why dont you just listen to Mariah Carey, or Christina Aguilera, or Celine Dion. they are all much better singers than any anyone I have in my collection.
What movement did Joy Division begin, Mankie?
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One of the great things about being married to someone who is not a total music-head who has good taste is that she can give me an honest opinion based on her own taste and not biased by what some dumbass rock music historian has told her she's supposed to like, because it's "important".
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Let me give credit to my wife for pointing out how awful a singer he was. I haven't listened to any JD for a good ten years, but we heard "Love Will Tear Us Apart" on the radio the other day, and me explaining who it was, she made the astute point that his voice was awful and he sounds like a drunk.
Then if your smart, attractive, intelligent, gourmet,great head giving wife said it...it must be so.
I stand corrected, and apologize. [/b]
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so you dont like the clash or the VU.....
Then again, I ask:
If you like singers so much why dont you just listen to Mariah Carey, or Christina Aguilera, or Celine Dion. they are all much better singers than any anyone I have in my collection?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Were did New Order come from?? But your point is a good one. I guess Joy Division was getting played in the manc clubs more than anywhere else which is why I think of them before New Order
Bernie it is then.
I dunno, I like Joy Division and its a tragedy that Ian died. But I do wonder if they would have gone on to be as god as New order turned out to be otherwise.
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I like the Clash. I don't think Joe Strummer was much of a singer.
I don't like the VU.
Fortunately, there exists other bands other than the two subsets you describe: bands you like, and Celine Dion styled pop offerings.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] One of the great things about being married to someone who is not a total music-head who has good taste is that she can give me an honest opinion based on her own taste and not biased by what some dumbass rock music historian has told her she's supposed to like, because it's "important".
Which begs the question...what made it important? ...and why did you need your wife to come to that decision for you?
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I never said it was important. You'll have to ask the rock critics who proclaimed it "important" why they feel it's important.
Joy Division was just a minor blip on my own music radar. They used to play them at the local dance club and i got drunk and danced to them when I was 21. I remember thinking the guy couldn't hold a tune to save his life and much preferring the band they evolved into.
As I said, I haven't listened to them in at least 10 years. We heard the song, she stated her opinion, and I agreed. Sometimes we don't but on this one we did.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] One of the great things about being married to someone who is not a total music-head who has good taste is that she can give me an honest opinion based on her own taste and not biased by what some dumbass rock music historian has told her she's supposed to like, because it's "important".
Which begs the question...what made it important? ...and why did you need your wife to come to that decision for you? [/b]
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Wasnt love will tear us apart voted the best song ever on some list or other just recently. Its better, in my opinion, than U2's one.
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Well, hell if people voted on it, then forgive me, I must be wrong. The Fulks people had me thinking "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" was the best song ever.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Each to their own opinion...BUT...of all the great, great bands that tiny little island has produced, anyone who says Radiohead is one of the greatest is absolutely fucking, without question, totally, completely off their heads. You may as well add another flavor of the week up there too...Duran Duran. :roll:
I would put Oasis waaaaaay above Radiohead on any list...and I wouldn't put them in the top 50.
i'd put them more as this generations pink floyd. overly pretentious, yet ambitious, conceptioually interesting and appealing to a rabid fan base. you either hate them or think they are the best currently popular band.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by mankie:
[qb] i'd put them (Radiohead) more as this generations pink floyd. overly pretentious, yet ambitious, conceptioually interesting and appealing to a rabid fan base. [/b]
that comparisson keeps getting made on this board..... I like it in some respects..... But Radiohead dont have a Dark side of the Moon. I dont think they ever will. They are not that good.
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posted by mankie
Each to their own opinion...BUT...of all the great, great bands that tiny little island has produced, anyone who says Radiohead is one of the greatest is absolutely fucking, without question, totally, completely off their heads. You may as well add another flavor of the week up there too...Duran Duran.
I would put Oasis waaaaaay above Radiohead on any list...and I wouldn't put them in the top 50.
That's YOUR OPINION. And if you seriously believe that Oasis, a band who's sole claim to fame has been to set The Beatle's melodic tendencies to fuzzy rock, is better than Radiohead, you don't know as much about rock or modern music as you claim you do, mankie.
mankie, you're extremely opinionated. Good for you. But you need to be able to explain why you feel as you do. Just saying that a band is 'shite' or 'bollocks' ain't good enough. :cool:
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posted by markie
that comparisson keeps getting made on this board..... I like it in some respects..... But Radiohead dont have a Dark side of the Moon. I dont think they ever will. They are not that good.
They did have their 'Dark Side Of The Moon', markie. It's called 'OK Computer'.
And before you return with the argument that 'OK Computer' wasn't on the Billboard list for over ten years, that's not on what I base the statement above. I base on the observation that 'DSOTM' is considered Pink Floyd's critically acclaimed seminal masterpiece just as 'OK Computer' is considered Radiohead's. :cool:
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" critically acclaimed seminal masterpiece"
magnus opus?
So you have barred me from one way OK computer is inferior.....
How about DSOTM changed the way people viewed albums. It is the first album to work really well as a whole. Plus there were innovative recording techniques (wow it has parallels with Sgt Pepper).
What has Ok computer got to offer in comparison? It was mildly succesful and even know it is becoming forgotten.
DSOTM on the other hand still has tacks featured in films and adverts, despite the fact its not far off 30.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Then if your smart, attractive, intelligent, gourmet,great head giving wife said it...it must be so.
now you're learnin'
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Originally posted by PR_GMR:
posted by mankie
Each to their own opinion...BUT...of all the great, great bands that tiny little island has produced, anyone who says Radiohead is one of the greatest is absolutely fucking, without question, totally, completely off their heads. You may as well add another flavor of the week up there too...Duran Duran.
I would put Oasis waaaaaay above Radiohead on any list...and I wouldn't put them in the top 50.
That's YOUR OPINION. And if you seriously believe that Oasis, a band who's sole claim to fame has been to set The Beatle's melodic tendencies to fuzzy rock, is better than Radiohead, you don't know as much about rock or modern music as you claim you do, mankie.
mankie, you're extremely opinionated. Good for you. But you need to be able to explain why you feel as you do. Just saying that a band is 'shite' or 'bollocks' ain't good enough. :cool: [/b]
First of all, I've never claimed to know a lot about rock ro modern music, so I don't know were you got that from, but I'm still allowed to have my opinions, aren't I?
Not that I feel I owe an explanation for my opinions on such unimportant issues as who is the better band...but I'll give you one anyway.
Both Radiohead and Oasis I've seen live, both were pretty decent live. Both were good for two albums then got boring. Oasis at least played a major role in getting the Brit music scene out of a very extended stale period, like them or not. Radiohead are just another band to come out of that rainy island. In the future Oasis will be remembered and Radiohead wont. (And I don't mean because of the in-band fighting) That's why I rate Oasis over Radiohead.
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posted by markie
magnus opus?
So you have barred me from one way OK computer is inferior.....
How about DSOTM changed the way people viewed albums. It is the first album to work really well as a whole. Plus there were innovative recording techniques (wow it has parallels with Sgt Pepper).
What has Ok computer got to offer in comparison? It was mildly succesful and even know it is becoming forgotten.
DSOTM on the other hand still has tacks featured in films and adverts, despite the fact its not far off 30.
I've not 'barred' you from posting against 'OKC'... You can go ahead and make your argument; no one's stopping you.
'OKC' also changed the way people viewed rock music at the time it was released. Music critic after critic have argued how the record captures the feeling of malaise of living in the 90s, the apathy which technology and globalization caused in our generation. And the record does work well as a whole in the sense that it's an emotionally disjointed record for an emotionally disjointed generation.
To say that 'OKC' was 'mildly succesful' tells me, markie, that you weren't paying attention when the record came out. I recall the music media and fans tripping over themselves to pay tribute to the record. It was widely considered one of the best records of that year, and, no, it has not been forgotten to this day, on the contrary, Radiohead might never live 'OKC' down, since they've been reminded ever since that their latest offerings don't compare to that record. :cool:
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Originally posted by PR_GMR:
To say that 'OKC' was 'mildly succesful' tells me, markie, that you weren't paying attention when the record came out. I recall the music media and fans tripping over themselves to pay tribute to the record. It was widely considered one of the best records of that year, and, no, it has not been forgotten to this day, on the contrary, Radiohead might never live 'OKC' down, since they've been reminded ever since that their latest offerings don't compare to that record. :cool: [/b]
mildly succesful commercially......
I dont seen to here it anymore, it is no longer part of the zeitgeist. I still hear DSOTM get played in random places.
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Originally posted by PR_GMR:
Music critic after critic have argued how the record captures the feeling of malaise of living in the 90s, the apathy which technology and globalization caused in our generation.
I never realized that I lived in a malaise in the '90s and that technology and globalization had made me apathetic.
Maybe I need to listen to OK Computer more.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
]I never realized that I lived in a malaise in the '90s and that technology and globalization had made me apathetic.
Maybe I need to listen to OK Computer more.
You have gone to Capua.
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by PR_GMR:
To say that 'OKC' was 'mildly succesful' tells me, markie, that you weren't paying attention when the record came out. I recall the music media and fans tripping over themselves to pay tribute to the record. It was widely considered one of the best records of that year, and, no, it has not been forgotten to this day, on the contrary, Radiohead might never live 'OKC' down, since they've been reminded ever since that their latest offerings don't compare to that record. :cool: [/b]
mildly succesful commercially......
I dont seen to here it anymore, it is no longer part of the zeitgeist. I still hear DSOTM get played in random places. [/b]
its really hard to compare the two albums with regard to shelf life. okc made this list. i hear dsotm get played after freebird on classic rock stations. just because floyd has sold their souls more successfully doesn't mean they that okc isn't an important album
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posted by mankie
Both Radiohead and Oasis I've seen live, both were pretty decent live. Both were good for two albums then got boring. Oasis at least played a major role in getting the Brit music scene out of a very extended stale period, like them or not. Radiohead are just another band to come out of that rainy island. In the future Oasis will be remembered and Radiohead wont. (And I don't mean because of the in-band fighting) That's why I rate Oasis over Radiohead.
I've also seen both Oasis and Radiohead live. Shows were enjoyable.. but by far, Radiohead puts on the better live show. Oasis did and has gotten boring after a couple of records, but a landslide of voices will not agree with you about Radiohead. Radiohead has kept pushing the envelope, for better or worse, while Oasis has decayed into repetitious fuzzy guitar antics, tired ballads and whiny pale-beatlesque vocals. Unless Oasis push themselves to explore other musical possibilities, they're going to fade away into musical insignificance.
While Oasis did do much to promote Brit music in the early 90s, Radiohead has overtaken them at doing that right now and has overtaken Oasis now for several years. Hell, even Blur has surpassed Oasis in that department.
And why do you refer to your home country as 'that rainy island'? Man, you don't even like where you come from?! At least be proud of your origin. :p
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posted by ggw
I never realized that I lived in a malaise in the '90s and that technology and globalization had made me apathetic.
Maybe I need to listen to OK Computer more.
That's because you don't belong to our generation, ggw. You're from another planet. But even so.. Radiohead wrote a song about you. It's called 'Subterranean Homesick Alien'.... Of course, it's on 'OK Computer'. :p
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Originally posted by PR_GMR:
And why do you refer to your home country as 'that rainy island'? Man, you don't even like where you come from?! At least be proud of your origin. :p [/b]
HUH! Why is that a negative statement? It's a fact...and you'll find many people enjoy walking in the rain like they do on beaches.
Just think how miserable the music world would be without our rainy island, We'd all be here discussing wether Kiss or Aerosmith are the better band.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but I would say you have to have balls of brass to insult Joy Division and the Velvet Underground. You're entitled to your opinion, but I just disagree and here is why. Personally, I think Ian Curtis' voice was perfectly suited for Joy Division. On the live JD songs that Bernard Sumner sings on, he does an adequate job, but Ian Curtis was perfect for stuff like "Atmosphere" and "Transmission". And Lou Reed? Come on now. The whole point of "alternative" rock is that people like Iggy Pop and Reed COULDN'T sing...but somehow what they lacked in their voice they made up for in passion, honesty, and their delivery. And hell...the fact of the matter is that they CAN sing, but they march to the beat of a different drum. Who needs another Jim Morrison? Gimme Iggy. Who needs another Roger Daltrey? Gimme Lou. That, in my opinion, is what makes a great band...nobody cares how polished the Velvets or Joy Division were. They were there because they believed...they were being honest. If they stumble upon a huge audience that loves them, then great. But I always admired Lou and Ian for the fact that they got up there, did their thing, and wrote some amazing music. They laid groundwork in their music that was imitated again and again. But that's just my opinion, not that it counts for anything.
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posted by mankie
Just think how miserable the music world would be without our rainy island, We'd all be here discussing wether Kiss or Aerosmith are the better band.
Good point. And I agree. Just seemed that you were knocking down your own birthplace.. but glad that you cleared up the point. :cool:
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but I would say you have to have balls of brass to insult Joy Division and the Velvet Underground. You're entitled to your opinion, but I just disagree and here is why. Personally, I think Ian Curtis' voice was perfectly suited for Joy Division. On the live JD songs that Bernard Sumner sings on, he does an adequate job, but Ian Curtis was perfect for stuff like "Atmosphere" and "Transmission". And Lou Reed? Come on now. The whole point of "alternative" rock is that people like Iggy Pop and Reed COULDN'T sing...but somehow what they lacked in their voice they made up for in passion, honesty, and their delivery. And hell...the fact of the matter is that they CAN sing, but they march to the beat of a different drum. Who needs another Jim Morrison? Gimme Iggy. Who needs another Roger Daltrey? Gimme Lou. That, in my opinion, is what makes a great band...nobody cares how polished the Velvets or Joy Division were. They were there because they believed...they were being honest. If they stumble upon a huge audience that loves them, then great. But I always admired Lou and Ian for the fact that they got up there, did their thing, and wrote some amazing music. They laid groundwork in their music that was imitated again and again. But that's just my opinion, not that it counts for anything.
Well said Bunnyman,and I agree wholeheartedly.You saved me alot of typing,thanks!Lou and Ian were both fantastic songwriters who's outlook and perceptions connected with alot of people.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by PR_GMR:
And why do you refer to your home country as 'that rainy island'? Man, you don't even like where you come from?! At least be proud of your origin. :p [/b]
HUH! Why is that a negative statement? It's a fact...and you'll find many people enjoy walking in the rain like they do on beaches.
Just think how miserable the music world would be without our rainy island, We'd all be here discussing wether Kiss or Aerosmith are the better band. [/b]
kiss by a mile!!
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but I would say you have to have balls of brass to insult Joy Division and the Velvet Underground...But that's just my opinion, not that it counts for anything.
I don't have balls at all and I did "insult" them, though I wouldn't bother doing so on this board.
We should all make a pact that we won't say "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" or "that's just my opinion"...I understand this may be a way of not starting fights or whatever, but we should all know this...the vast majority of what is expressed here is opinion and doesn't count for anything...
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Originally posted by mankie:
...all be here discussing wether Kiss or Aerosmith are the better band.
AC/DC !
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by mankie:
...all be here discussing wether Kiss or Aerosmith are the better band.
AC/DC ! [/b]
from a less rainy island
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The whole point of alternative rock is that the singers can't sing? I always thought "alternative rock" was a phrase coined in the mid-80's to describe bands that existed outside the mainstream, primarily on indie labels. Didn't realize that not being able to sing was a qualifier.
I don't see how anybody who isn't fucked up on drugs could sit and listen to the monotone voices of Lou Reed and Ian Curtis and hear "passion" in their voices. Give me a fucking break.
Originally posted by bunnyman:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but I would say you have to have balls of brass to insult Joy Division and the Velvet Underground. You're entitled to your opinion, but I just disagree and here is why. Personally, I think Ian Curtis' voice was perfectly suited for Joy Division. On the live JD songs that Bernard Sumner sings on, he does an adequate job, but Ian Curtis was perfect for stuff like "Atmosphere" and "Transmission". And Lou Reed? Come on now. The whole point of "alternative" rock is that people like Iggy Pop and Reed COULDN'T sing...but somehow what they lacked in their voice they made up for in passion, honesty, and their delivery. And hell...the fact of the matter is that they CAN sing, but they march to the beat of a different drum. Who needs another Jim Morrison? Gimme Iggy. Who needs another Roger Daltrey? Gimme Lou. That, in my opinion, is what makes a great band...nobody cares how polished the Velvets or Joy Division were. They were there because they believed...they were being honest. If they stumble upon a huge audience that loves them, then great. But I always admired Lou and Ian for the fact that they got up there, did their thing, and wrote some amazing music. They laid groundwork in their music that was imitated again and again. But that's just my opinion, not that it counts for anything.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB]
I don't see how anybody who isn't fucked up on drugs could sit and listen to the monotone voices of Lou Reed and Ian Curtis and hear "passion" in their voices. Give me a fucking break.
...I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco...fucking awful voice.
Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day.
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Originally posted by mankie:
...I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco...fucking awful voice.
Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day. [/b]
what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey...and Jeff Tweedy at least carries a melody...you've just listed two examples of groups in which the singer's voice is melodic and pleasant AND the songs are solid...
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The whole point of alternative rock is that the singers can't sing? I always thought "alternative rock" was a phrase coined in the mid-80's to describe bands that existed outside the mainstream, primarily on indie labels. Didn't realize that not being able to sing was a qualifier.
I don't see how anybody who isn't fucked up on drugs could sit and listen to the monotone voices of Lou Reed and Ian Curtis and hear "passion" in their voices. Give me a fucking break.
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[/QB][/QUOTE] You are correct in the use of the term alternative.Although i think what he meant(correct me if i'm wrong)was that a great vocal range was not required for the type of music being played by them.It was more important to get the "message" of the song to listeners rather than showing off how many octaves could be reached.In Lou and Ian's case it is almost spoken word rather than singing.They both could see the plight of their fellow man and relayed it to a generation of likeminded souls.
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Originally posted by SPARX:
It was more important to get the "message" of the song to listeners rather than showing off how many octaves could be reached
and that "message" would be...I'm a fuck-up who can't sing but the scenesters love me anyway because they buy into my rock and roll image?
there is a nice middle ground between having an outright unpleasant voice and being a cheesy diva...
now, don't even get me started on the musicianship
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ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by mankie:
...I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco...fucking awful voice.
Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day. [/b]
what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey...and Jeff Tweedy at least carries a melody...you've just listed two examples of groups in which the singer's voice is melodic and pleasant AND the songs are solid... [/b]
And Moz has a "lovely singing voice" does he? My point was the bands your simply delightful hubby worships don't have the voices of angels either.
Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella. Either way, Wilco should be shot for subjecting us to that crap.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey.
More like Chris Isaak
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Raul Malo sounds like Chris Isaak, but Joe Pernice doesn't. I don't think Joe Pernice holds a candle to Chris Isaak in the singing department, nor does Isaak hold a candle to Pernice in the songwriting department.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Celeste:
what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey.
More like Chris Isaak [/b]
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What exactly is so awful about Wilco? I can fathom people thinking they're average...but there's just nothing about them that is awful.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by mankie:
...I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco...fucking awful voice.
Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day. [/b]
what the hell? Joe Pernice sounds a bit like Morissey...and Jeff Tweedy at least carries a melody...you've just listed two examples of groups in which the singer's voice is melodic and pleasant AND the songs are solid... [/b]
And Moz has a "lovely singing voice" does he? My point was the bands your simply delightful hubby worships don't have the voices of angels either.
Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella. Either way, Wilco should be shot for subjecting us to that crap. [/b]
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posted by Rhett Miller
ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
Well, you haven't been listening well, Rhett. Here are some good, inspirational lyrics by Mr Reed:
Perfect Day
Just a perfect day
drink Sangria in the park
And then later
when it gets dark, we go home
Just a perfect day
feed animals in the zoo
Then later
a movie, too, and then home
Oh, it's such a perfect day
I'm glad I spend it with you
Oh, such a perfect day
You just keep me hanging on
You just keep me hanging on
Just a perfect day
problems all left alone
Weekenders on our own
it's such fun
Just a perfect day
you made me forget myself
I thought I was
someone else, someone good
Oh, it's such a perfect day
I'm glad I spent it with you
Oh, such a perfect day
You just keep me hanging on
You just keep me hanging on
You're going to reap just what you sow X4
:cool:
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
Once again you're right.Alot of their material dealt with depression/isolation/loneliness/despair.Definitely not the most enjoyable subjects,however,they are feelings that are felt by millions of people every day.Be glad you are not among them.Those subjects were all to real to the composer, Ian obviously.As for inspirational,try reading Busload of Faith lyrics on the new york record you have.Maybe not truly inspirational but very astute. http://www.whom.co.uk/dora/reedyork.htm (http://www.whom.co.uk/dora/reedyork.htm)
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Originally posted by mankie:
Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella
what in god's name are you talking about?
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I'm skipping over a bunch of posts, so I hope I'm not repeating a point already made, but I think the argument over Ian Curtis' voice is just not necessary. Point is, Rhett doesn't like his voice, and that's plenty of reason to not like a band. I feel the same way about a number of highly praised bands. And that's that. Rhett didn't do it (I don't think), but my mistake in the past has been declaring that the band is shit, rather than I don't like 'em at all. I try to adjust, especially when I realize it really is about the vocals in particular.
But, I do think that they can be an influential band, all the same. How influential was Joy Division? I dunno...I'll leave that up to folks who follow that genre more closely.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by mankie:
Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella
what in god's name are you talking about? [/b]
This..
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB]
I don't see how anybody who isn't fucked up on drugs could sit and listen to the monotone voices of Lou Reed and Ian Curtis and hear "passion" in their voices. Give me a fucking break.
...I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco...fucking awful voice.
Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day.
By the way...What IS Gods name?
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http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/JoyDivision/ (http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/JoyDivision/) Isolation
Be clear every day, every evening
It calls here aloud from above
Carefully watched for a reason
Mistaking devotion and love
Surrendered to self-preservation
>From others who care for themselves
But life as it touches perfection
Appears just like anything else
Isolation (3)
Mother, I tried, please believe me
I'm doing the best that I can
I'm ashamed of the things
I've been put through
I'm ashamed of the person I am
Isolation (3)
But if you could just see the beauty
These things I could never describe
Pleasures and wayward distraction
Is this my wonderful prize?
Isolation (5)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
No question from my point of view that better musicianship + better vocal chops = better listening, all other things being equal. But all other things frequently aren't equal, which complicates the whole business.
Lou Reed, whose voice considered apart from everything else about his artistry sucks beyond dispute, isn't your best example, though. First thing is, he's pretty cagy about writing songs that fit his meager ability to croak them out. Second, while the passion in his music may seem muted by his vocal limitations, he can muster ferocity, cold irony, and heartbreak like few others. Third, his lyrical range goes way beyond "drugs, trannies, and hookers." Just off the top of my head, try "Rock and Roll," the greatest self-referential ode to the genre of all time (Jonathan Richman's "Roadrunner" being a fabulous but distant second). Or "Dirty Boulevard," which transforms those gritty, depressing urban decay themes through the imagination of a child.
For anyone who cares, a fairly complete catalog of his lyrics can be found here:Lou Reed Lyrics (http://www.alwaysontherun.net/lou.htm)
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Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."
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Originally posted by Liberte:
Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."
But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.
<img src="http://members.nuvox.net/~sfagan/funny/owned/babyowned.gif" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Liberte:
Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."
But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.
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Nah, not really. What certain obtuse parties seemed incapable of recognizing was, I do not defend Polanski's behavior. I simply object to the notion that those parties' response to that behavior is the only possible right-thinking response.
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Originally posted by Liberte:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Liberte:
Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."
But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.
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Nah, not really. What certain obtuse parties seemed incapable of recognizing was, I do not defend Polanski's behavior. I simply object to the notion that those parties' response to that behavior is the only possible right-thinking response. [/b]
Obtuse?!? I'm actually on the slim side.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by mankie:
I would put Oasis waaaaaay above Radiohead on any list...and I wouldn't put them in the top 50.
Thats harsh......
Perhaps Mank, that Radiohead is to some generations what joy division was to yours. Imagine how much better radiohead would be regarded if Tom Yorkie had died after their third album?
My God at that point they could have become the greatest band ever, there was so much potential. Its a shame he didnt die. Much as its a shame poor old Ian did, but he might have sullied his good record too, if he had not. [/b]
So what "movement" are Radiohead responsible for? [/b]
The bowel movement.
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What's all the chatter about Joy Division?
The Happy Mondays are the only Manc band that matters. Oasis are a pseudo-thug Beatles coverband in comparison.
Nobody could dance and deal like Bez!!!
Shaun's lyrics are the best...
Son, Iâ??m 30
I only went with your mother â??cause sheâ??s dirty
And I donâ??t have a decent bone in me
What you get is just what you see yeah
I should so I take it free yeah
And all the bad preserves be things that feed me
I never help or give to the needy
Come on and see me
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
you sound like Tipper Gore.
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
The bowel movement.
I dont know that in order to be one of the best bands ever, you have to be responsible for "starting a movement"
Certainly some of the great ones have, but some havent either. And perhaps Radiohead DID start one, thats just not really clear right now, because its so new. Either way, they certainly play the best music i have heard from a band in "my time".
Think about it this way....Is the best athlete the one whos won the most championships? or the one who has the best stats? or was the best team player? I suppose you can argue it forever, but its just comes down to what you consider to be criteria for the best.
Oh, and for the record, when people call records "important" it just makes me laugh, how fucking stupid.
and Radiohead's DSOTM hasnt been written yet, but i think it is yet to come.
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She would have made an excellent first lady.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
you sound like Tipper Gore. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
and i would've pegged you as a republican. :)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
you sound like Tipper Gore. [/b]
no, the big difference is that she wanted to censor it for everyone, he's just saying it sounds like shit, not necessarily trying to keep you from listening to it
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She wanted to slap a parental warning sticker on it, which I think is a good idea. I don't think she ever said she wanted to ban anything outright.
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me...give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis...you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.
you sound like Tipper Gore. [/b]
no, the big difference is that she wanted to censor it for everyone, he's just saying it sounds like shit, not necessarily trying to keep you from listening to it [/b]
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Obtuse?!? I'm actually on the slim side.
Oh, don't start that slimmer-than-thou business again.
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posted by Jaguar
The bowel movement.
Tsk, tsk, Jaguar.... And I thought you were cool. :(
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Any gluttons for punishment can find the full list of the Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums Ever Made here (http://www.rhino.com/rs500/).
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
She wanted to slap a parental warning sticker on it, which I think is a good idea...
There were repercussions beyond just slapping a label on CDs...
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http://www.knotmag.com/?article=972 (http://www.knotmag.com/?article=972)
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Originally posted by SPARX:
http://www.knotmag.com/?article=972 (http://www.knotmag.com/?article=972)
I would tend to agree that these lists don't matter anymore, but I saw a story that said that RS got the highest number of advertisers ever for this issue.
While that means that you get lots of ads with your predictable list, it also means that a lot of people who make their living predicting how well a particular issue will sell think that a lot of people still think this list matters.
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the lists obviously matter inasmuch as they garner attention even if it is saying how stupid and wrong they are
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by SPARX:
http://www.knotmag.com/?article=972 (http://www.knotmag.com/?article=972)
I would tend to agree that these lists don't matter anymore, but I saw a story that said that RS got the highest number of advertisers ever for this issue.
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How are the rankings determined?Whoever spends the most on advertising gets to put their favorite crap band higher in the list ;) Wasn't meant as a personal attack against you posting it,in fact I got quite the chuckle out of it.Just as the list goes on it seems to lose all rationale.
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Originally posted by SPARX:
How are the rankings determined? Whoever spends the most on advertising gets to put their favorite crap band higher in the list ;) Wasn't meant as a personal attack against you posting it,in fact I got quite the chuckle out of it.Just as the list goes on it seems to lose all rationale.
No offense taken.
Rolling Stone asked musicians, critics, historians and key industry figures to rank their 50 favorites. The 273 participants included Beck, U2's The Edge, Jackson Browne, Art Garfunkel, Missy Elliott and members of Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, Linkin Park and The Doors. The Ernst & Young accounting firm devised a point system to weight votes for 1,600 submitted titles.
I think the extraordinary number of "ad pages" they got wasn't really some sort of list payola, I think it was just a sad commentary on the fact that people still eat this stuff up. As Celeste pointed out, it's probably as much for the purpose of deriding it as for any other reason.
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I think i only have 14 of the top 200. Do i get a prize for having a respectably low number of crap cd's? :eek: