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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Frank Gallagher on May 18, 2005, 04:43:00 am
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Light a candle toady for someone who most of the shite of today aspire to be....but never will.
Remembering Joy Division singer Curtis
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Ian Curtis left a wife and young daughter when he died in 1980
Fans of rock band Joy Division will be remembering the band's late singer Ian Curtis on Wednesday - the 25th anniversary of his death.
Curtis was just 23 when he hanged himself in the kitchen at his Macclesfield home, shortly before the band were due to go on tour in the US.
His band recorded around 50 songs and released just two studio albums, but they remain highly acclaimed for their powerful post punk sound.
Curtis's baritone voice and lyrics about existential dread and pessimism, combined with his intense, wide-eyed stage presence, endeared him to fans.
He has been cited as an influence by the likes of U2 frontman Bono, the late Kurt Cobain of Nirvana and The Cure's Robert Smith.
Still acclaimed
Joy Division - Curtis, guitarist Bernard Sumner, bassist Peter Hook and drummer Stephen Morris - formed on the Manchester music scene in the late 1970s.
They released first album Unknown Pleasures in 1979, with follow-up Closer being released after Curtis's death.
Their most famous single, Love Will Tear Us Apart, only reached number 13 a month after Curtis died yet it was among five finalists in the Brit Awards poll this year to find the best British song of the past 25 years.
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Joy Division (from left) Stephen Morris, Ian Curtis, Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook
Continued interest in Curtis and his life has led to a biopic being made, based on his widow Deborah's book, Touching From A Distance.
The biography paints a picture of her husband as a gifted but tortured man who had an ongoing extra-marital affair and was prone to jealousy and manipulation.
Curtis also suffered from epilepsy, which caused problems when performing on stage with strobe lights.
Anthony Wilson, who was in charge of Joy Division's label Factory Records, is producing the film - provisionally titled Control.
He says Curtis was "quite special".
"For all the hype in the music business, it is about the songs, and Joy Division wrote some wonderful, wonderful songs," he says.
Group leader
"The artwork designer Peter Saville says that when working with a band, he soon finds out who the leader is. With Joy Division it was Ian.
"For me, he was a very nice, quiet boy."
Wilson admits the singer's death still mystifies him. "I used to think that he thought he was making everyone's life tough so he would help them by going," he says.
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Tony Wilson was in charge of Joy Division's record label, Factory Records
"But I now think it is more complex than that."
Jude Law and Paddy Considine have been touted as possible actors to play Curtis.
But Wilson - whose own life was depicted in 2002's part-fantasy biopic 24 Hour Party People - says: "I have met the person we want to play Ian."
"He is one of the hottest young things in Hollywood. He's Irish, but it's not Colin Farrell."
Troubled character
Manchester rock writer Mick Middles wrote From Joy Division to New Order, an account of the Factory Records story.
Middles says Curtis was a troubled character towards the end of his life.
"He was getting more ill and more intense so going on stage was becoming more traumatic," he says.
"He was very personable towards me. I've spoken to hundreds of people who encountered him and no-one has a bad word to say.
"Ian was being pulled in different directions by his personal life and his music.
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The surviving members of Joy Division were joined by Gillian Welsh for New Order
"The last album Closer is the sound of somebody in desperation.
"Yet I've seen letters written shortly before his death and he doesn't sound like someone about to commit suicide. I think it was more spontaneous."
BBC digital radio station 6 Music is playing Curtis's music all day and staging an event called Transmission in Manchester.
6 Music presenter and ex-member of The Fall Marc Riley crossed paths with Joy Division on the late 1970s Manchester music scene.
"I met Ian a couple of times and off stage he wasn't different to anyone else," says Riley.
"But on stage, he performed in a slightly strange and almost psychotic way.
"The myth of the death of a rock star at a very young age is very influential. You can't really say whether people would consider them as important if they were still around today."
Taken from bbc.co.uk
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
But Wilson says: "I have met the person we want to play Ian."
"He is one of the hottest young things in Hollywood. He's Irish, but it's not Colin Farrell."
Cillian Murphy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0614165/) perhaps?
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Originally posted by kurosawa-b/w:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
But Wilson says: "I have met the person we want to play Ian."
"He is one of the hottest young things in Hollywood. He's Irish, but it's not Colin Farrell."
Cillian Murphy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0614165/) perhaps? [/b]
Or Jonathan Rhys-Meyers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001667/)? He played Elvis in that tee vee thing last week.
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I'd say, out of those two it would have to go to Rhys-Meyers going by looks. Must admit though I thought he was Welsh going by the name alone.
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Curtis hanged himself on the same day that Mt. St. Helens blew:
On this day in 1980, Mount St. Helens erupted. First, an earthquake triggered the largest landslide in history down the north slope of the mountain. Then, five hundred and forty million tons of ash were spewed into the sky. Rivers of lava as hot as fourteen hundred degrees poured down the slopes at over a hundred miles an hour, along with twenty billion gallons of floodwater from melted snow on the mountain. In the end, ninety-six thousand acres of forest burned up and fifty-seven people died.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
"I have met the person we want to play Ian."
"He is one of the hottest young things in Hollywood. He's Irish, but it's not Colin Farrell."
Justin O'Timberlake?
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
The surviving members of Joy Division were joined by Gillian Welsh for New Order
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Huh? News to me.
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Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
The surviving members of Joy Division were joined by Gillian Welsh for New Order
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Huh? News to me. [/b]
Yep, they got it wrong.....I was confused for a moment there myself. Then thought maybe she married a bloke called Welsh, then thought....what the hell, it doesn't matter either way really.
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vh1 played the video for 'atmosphere' on the alternative last night....such a sad video. why does it seem that we lose only the most talented people but never the 'artists' (i use the term loosely here) you'd most like to see disappear completely? like the douchebag from creed for one.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
The surviving members of Joy Division were joined by Gillian Welsh for New Order
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Huh? News to me. [/b]
Yep, they got it wrong.....I was confused for a moment there myself. Then thought maybe she married a bloke called Welsh, then thought....what the hell, it doesn't matter either way really. [/b]
Other members of the band,Gordon Sumner,Mercury Morris and Captain Hook were unavailable for comment ;) :p
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does anyone know why he killed himself?
i guess the joy was divided.
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Joy Division? Well, I can't blame him for hanging himself.
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Originally posted by walkonby:
does anyone know why he killed himself?
i guess the joy was divided.
From what I have heard, he was epileptic and the seizures were getting worse and worse with no solution in sight and so he decided to end it all.
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There is an interesting mix of "people" here...we're asked to mourn for a guy who off'ed himself voluntarily twenty-five years ago, and on another thread, crack f'ed-up jokes about Kylie Minogue's breasts/breast cancer... sort of selective compassion, huh??!! :mad:
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Making fun of suicide is OK, the person can control it if he lives or dies, but cancer, it's not cool to make fun of that shit, you can't control it unless it's dealing with smoking or skin cancer.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by walkonby:
does anyone know why he killed himself?
i guess the joy was divided.
From what I have heard, he was epileptic and the seizures were getting worse and worse with no solution in sight and so he decided to end it all. [/b]
omg, i have a seizure disorder. that's what medicine is for. god i hope he wasn't one of those jim henson weirdos, who refused to go to doctors.
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
There is an interesting mix of "people" here...we're asked to mourn for a guy who off'ed himself voluntarily twenty-five years ago, and on another thread, crack f'ed-up jokes about Kylie Minogue's breasts/breast cancer... sort of selective compassion, huh??!! :mad:
considering i haven't even read the kylie minogue thread, i don't think you can accuse people of having "selective compassion"...i wouldn't consider someone who refers to suicide as "off'ing oneself" as particularly compassionate either.
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...then please pardon my choice of words. You've missed the point.
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
...then please pardon my choice of words. You've missed the point.
there was a point to your post?
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Originally posted by walkonby:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by walkonby:
does anyone know why he killed himself?
i guess the joy was divided.
From what I have heard, he was epileptic and the seizures were getting worse and worse with no solution in sight and so he decided to end it all. [/b]
omg, i have a seizure disorder. that's what medicine is for. god i hope he wasn't one of those jim henson weirdos, who refused to go to doctors. [/b]
I think he did but they could not figure out what worked, medications were not working. This is all hazy to me, as I read about it a while back.
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Kurt Cobain used heroin to curb stomach pains!
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Originally posted by joz:
vh1 played the video for 'atmosphere' on the alternative last night....such a sad video. why does it seem that we lose only the most talented people but never the 'artists' (i use the term loosely here) you'd most like to see disappear completely? like the douchebag from creed for one.
Oh yeah, now I understand you better. Hilarious stuff. Cancer, death, suicide: Okay for "artists" the board doesn't like: tragic for your heroes. Sheesh, I'm going to find Rhett and Celeste.
:roll:
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
Originally posted by joz:
vh1 played the video for 'atmosphere' on the alternative last night....such a sad video. why does it seem that we lose only the most talented people but never the 'artists' (i use the term loosely here) you'd most like to see disappear completely? like the douchebag from creed for one.
Oh yeah, now I understand you better. Hilarious stuff. Cancer, death, suicide: Okay for "artists" the board doesn't like: tragic for your heroes. Sheesh, I'm going to find Rhett and Celeste.
:roll: [/b]
Oh yeah, Rhett and Celeste are always full of compassion. :roll:
So which thread are people actually making fun of Kylie having cancer? I must have missed that one.
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Originally posted by Mr Dodgy Slapper:
Originally posted by BadSushi:
Originally posted by joz:
vh1 played the video for 'atmosphere' on the alternative last night....such a sad video. why does it seem that we lose only the most talented people but never the 'artists' (i use the term loosely here) you'd most like to see disappear completely? like the douchebag from creed for one.
Oh yeah, now I understand you better. Hilarious stuff. Cancer, death, suicide: Okay for "artists" the board doesn't like: tragic for your heroes. Sheesh, I'm going to find Rhett and Celeste.
:roll: [/b]
Oh yeah, Rhett and Celeste are always full of compassion. :roll:
So which thread are people actually making fun of Kylie having cancer? I must have missed that one. [/b]
I did....but I also started the topic out of sincere compassion for the girl. I made the off-colour comment about don't you need breasts to have breast cancer, which I regret now....it was meant as a 'iddie biddie tittie committee' joke, not a cancer joke, so I apologize if it offended anyone.
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
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Or Jonathan Rhys-Meyers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001667/)? He played Elvis in that tee vee thing last week. [/QB]
He was interviewed on that late late show thing last night.....someone needs to let yer'man know he's gay, because he's about the only one who hasn't realized it yet! Gave a good interview though.
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Originally posted by joz:
Originally posted by BadSushi:
...then please pardon my choice of words. You've missed the point.
there was a point to your post? [/b]
it's people like you that make this board a cesspool and run people off
asshole
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now the joy is really divided
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Shame on you Mankie! It must have been the stress of Glazer taking control of your beloved United (and being raised in Oldham) to have made you make a comment like that! But I know you well enough now to realize that you meant no offense to Kylie's health or anyone with the same illness.
So what did you think of the FA Cup Final? Even though they lost, United were fabulous! No reason to hang your head in shame about that match. I hope Liverpool can be as lucky against AC Milan on Wednesday as ARSEnal were against United yesterday.
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Originally posted by Mr Dodgy Slapper:
Shame on you Mankie! It must have been the stress of Glazer taking control of your beloved United (and being raised in Oldham) to have made you make a comment like that! But I know you well enough now to realize that you meant no offense to Kylie's health or anyone with the same illness.
So what did you think of the FA Cup Final? Even though they lost, United were fabulous! No reason to hang your head in shame about that match. I hope Liverpool can be as lucky against AC Milan on Wednesday as ARSEnal were against United yesterday.
Thanks for the kind words about the match, If United had played like that during the season Chelski would've ended up runners up. It's a bitter pill to swallow after dominating for 120 minutes then end up losing, but the formula will never change "Penalty shoot-out + Carroll = loss" Fergie should've put Howard in at the last minute of extra time because he's a much better penalty goalie...much better goalie all together, but that's a whole other subject.
Even though the FA cup is on the mantle at Highbury, everyone, including ARSEnal. know who won that match. Their only shot on goal for two hours was from a free kick.
No shame from my end.....we've still got them beat mentally.
Good luck to your reds on Wednesday. I'm a bit torn to be honest. I want the Champions League to be a holy grail that only United can obtain in England....while at the same time I would want any English team (ARSEnal excepted, because those *cuckers are French anyway) to do well. Call me neutral with a slight bias for your lot. ;)
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Originally posted by joz:
why does it seem that we lose only the most talented people but never the 'artists' (i use the term loosely here) you'd most like to see disappear completely? like that douchebag Tweety from wilco for one.
Couldn't agree more
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by joz:
Originally posted by BadSushi:
...then please pardon my choice of words. You've missed the point.
there was a point to your post? [/b]
it's people like you that make this board a cesspool and run people off
asshole [/b]
bad sushi is bent out of shape because people were ripping on kylie minogue's breast cancer situation (which i wasn't even privy to) and started questioning the compassion of the boardies because some of us here think that ian curtis was a great loss to music. obviously, those with breast cancer are to be pitied and people shouldn't mourn those who "off" themselves. and i'm the asshole?
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Originally posted by joz:
why does it seem that we lose only the most talented people but never the 'artists' (i use the term loosely here) you'd most like to see disappear completely? like that douchebag Tweety from wilco for one.
Couldn't agree more [/b]
try spelling tweedy correctly if you're going to make editorial changes to my post.
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Originally posted by joz:
Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Originally posted by joz:
why does it seem that we lose only the most talented people but never the 'artists' (i use the term loosely here) you'd most like to see disappear completely? like that douchebag Tweety from wilco for one.
Couldn't agree more [/b]
try spelling tweedy correctly if you're going to make editorial changes to my post. [/b]
I know how to spell Jeff's name. I just wanted to make you look ignorant.
Even more ignorant than thinking you can decide who gets to live or die.
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Originally posted by joz:
bad sushi is bent out of shape because people were ripping on kylie minogue's breast cancer situation (which i wasn't even privy to) and started questioning the compassion of the boardies because some of us here think that ian curtis was a great loss to music. obviously, those with breast cancer are to be pitied and people shouldn't mourn those who "off" themselves. and i'm the asshole?
sorry, i should have had my sarcasm tags on ... of course you're not an asshole, i was mocking badsushi for her reactionary and ill-formed screeds
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Even more ignorant than thinking you can decide who gets to live or die.
oh come on! we all have our secret fantasies of playing God. mine most often involve celine dion and some medieval torture device.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by joz:
bad sushi is bent out of shape because people were ripping on kylie minogue's breast cancer situation (which i wasn't even privy to) and started questioning the compassion of the boardies because some of us here think that ian curtis was a great loss to music. obviously, those with breast cancer are to be pitied and people shouldn't mourn those who "off" themselves. and i'm the asshole?
sorry, i should have had my sarcasm tags on ... of course you're not an asshole, i was mocking badsushi for her reactionary and ill-formed screeds [/b]
It's also not nice to mock those who suffer from very severe Tourette's Syndrome...