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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Bags on December 06, 2005, 03:58:00 pm
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Not sure I understand exactly what the rules will be....Looks, though, like bars and clubs are off the hook. It's just restaurants that are dinged. I didn't realize there were still restaurants you could smoke in. As to the waiver, how will you make a case that your business will decline by 25% before you prohibit smoking??
D.C. Council Expands Smoking Ban
UPDATED - Tuesday December 06, 2005 2:03pm
Washington D.C. (AP) - On a 12-to-1 vote, the D.C. Council has expanded the city's smoking ban, making it illegal to light up in restaurants.
The measure also requires bars and nightclubs to install ventilation equipment or separate accommodations by January first of 2007.
But it also provides businesses with an opportunity to seek waivers in the event that the prohibitions reduce overall sales by 25-percent.
Council may also consider adding an amendment exempting cigar and hookah bars sought by Councilman Jim Graham. The amendment could be attached to the bill on its second reading as early as January third.
Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press
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Smoking Ban Expanded in D.C. Restaurants
Dec 6th - 2:15pm
WASHINGTON - If you like to have a cigarette after a meal, you may have to venture outside if you are dining in the District.
On a 12-1 vote, the D.C. Council has expanded the city's smoking ban, making it illegal to light up in restaurants.
The measure also requires bars and nightclubs to install ventilation equipment or separate accommodations by Jan. 1, 2007. But it also provides businesses with an opportunity to seek waivers in the event that the prohibitions reduce overall sales by 25-percent.
Council may also consider adding an amendment exempting cigar and hookah bars sought by Councilman Jim Graham.
The amendment could be attached to the bill on its second reading as early as January third.
(Copyright 2005 by WTOP Radio and The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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Smoking babes are hot. It's my fave fetish.
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This is long overdue. How would a smoker feel if I pissed on him everytime I had a beer? It is not so fun to come out of a bar smelling like crap and feeling your sinus cavity struggling to get by. You want to smoke - cool. Just do it outside or at home.
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People who go into bars and complain about smoking make no sense to me. You're doing far more damage to yourself by drinking than you are from breathing second hand smoke for a few hours. You don't like the smoke, don't go to bars. It's the same kind of mentality as people who move into an urban neighborhood because they want vitality, and then start trying to get places shut down because of noise.
The only people who have a valid case on this issue are the employees, who don't really have a choice as to smoke exposure (except to seek out a different line of work).
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If you're bored and want a good read, there's a 26 page debate on this here:
http://forums.thestranger.com/showthread.php?t=353 (http://forums.thestranger.com/showthread.php?t=353)
At least the first page or two was a good read...
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If I'm ever *that* bored, I will kill myself!
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Oh c'mon, how can you resist chatter such as this:
Smoking bans suck ass I lived in a city with a smoking ban and it sucked my ass. Couldn't smoke anywhere you can bet your ass though that GAINES won't stand outside in the cold to enjoy a cigarette, at work I smoked in the staircase and I went to a bar that allowed smoking anyway because they know the mayor who put in the law sucks goat dicks for quarters.
All you anti smokers are all a bunch of stupid fucks and can kiss my ass.
I'll smoke wherever I want to in my town and there's not a GODDAM thing you can do about it, so shut the fuck up and inhale my second hand smoke you little bitch.
I work right next to a guy in my office round here and I chainsmoke all the time, since that guy's a MAN he can deal with it and we're good friends.
And the little cocksuckin fucks in Government don't see a penny outta me as I get my Winstons online, dutyfree.
So stick that in your pipe and eat it.
Warmest regards and happy smoking,
Gaines
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
People who go into bars and complain about smoking make no sense to me. You're doing far more damage to yourself by drinking than you are from breathing second hand smoke for a few hours. You don't like the smoke, don't go to bars. It's the same kind of mentality as people who move into an urban neighborhood because they want vitality, and then start trying to get places shut down because of noise.
The only people who have a valid case on this issue are the employees, who don't really have a choice as to smoke exposure (except to seek out a different line of work).
I for one am a nonsmoker, but against the smoking ban. However, your logic here makes no sense at all. To say that everyone who goes to bars are heavy drinkers doing more harm than the smoking is not even close to reality. I for one am a light social drinker and have been known to only have a couple drinks. Trust me when I say that the second hand smoke I'm breathing in for several hours is far worse for me than the one or two beers.
That being said, smoking is just a part of that bar environment and those who don't want to be around it have the choice of not going.
I like the idea of restaurants being nonsmoking as I should never have to be subjected to smoke (especailly cigar smoke) while enjoying a meal. Bars however have a different atmosphere and smoking is expected and tolerated in that setting.
I've wondered if it would be practical and/or profitable for someone to open a nightclub/bar in DC that caters to nonsmoking patrons?
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Just playing Devils Advocate here: If smoking bans have worked in New York City and Los Angeles, why couldn't one work here?
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Rhett, substitute "smoking" with any other word -- abortion, guns, Democrats, Republicans -- and what you've got there is just generic boilerplate internet debate. Boring!
I don't think a non-smoking bar would be profitable, or someone would have already tried it. It's just a fact of life that people who hang out in bars tend to be smokers. In fact, many people I know smoke *only* in bars, and are nonsmokers the rest of the time.
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We've had this discussion here before...
But I for one would be much more likely to go to a bar for a drink or two if bars were nonsmoking. As it is, the smoke is my #1 reason I don't frequent bars (unless a very good band is playing).
I am willing to wager that nonsmoking in bars would be a big draw, and more customers such as me would be drawn in.
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my only problem with smoking bans (and i'm not exactly referring to DC here) is that they are often passed by referendum ... the people who vote FOR a smoking ban in bars are often people who DON'T GO TO BARS! ... a public referendum on this issue is similar to banning gay marriage or some shit, the people who it DOESN'T AFFECT vote for it
now, there's no referendum here, but i'd be interested to see a poll of local bar-goers to see how they feel on this issue (or even better, a poll of bar workers, which this bill is supposed to be helping) ... i'd gather that smokers would gladly give up smoking in restaurants if we could still smoke in bars, and i've seen informal polls in various washpost articles of bar workers who nearly unanimously dislike the bill
and why aren't there more private businesses opening for people like rhett? the new open city in woodley park is non-smoking and it's actually kind of nice, you can go there, or you have murphy's right around the corner if you feel like having a smoke with your beer ... choice is great, huh?
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
Just playing Devils Advocate here: If smoking bans have worked in New York City and Los Angeles, why couldn't one work here?
I'm a very light smoker (only on weekends, if I'm drinking, then only 3 or 4...). Not excusing it by any means, but admitting that I can do without.
The ban does seem to work in NY, and I have to say that clubs with bands are SO much more pleasant without the smoke. You can always go outside if you can't make it for an hour, and actually it's quite a social scene outside.
But, I'm not 100% convinced, I just know that I'd be happy with a full ban (I don't think it would impact places like 9:30 or Black Cat at all...Bowery Ballroom still sells out nearly every show).
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Seriously, catch up to the rest of civilized society and ban smoking in public places. You know it's the right thing to do.
Ten Years Later...
Seriously, catch up to the rest of civilized society and legalize gay marriage. You know it's the right thing to do.
Sensing a trend here?
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Originally posted by Bags:
You can always go outside if you can't make it for an hour, and actually it's quite a social scene outside.
yeah, the irving plaza smoking area rocks!!!
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there it is!! (but now they have a rope around it and you have to wait a while to cram out there)
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
yeah, the irving plaza smoking area rocks!!!
Hey, I've been there. I never said it was glamorous, but I always strike up a conversation while out there and I find it pretty cool. (Must admit to never needing to smoke in the rain...that'd be a bummer).
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Smokers can buy there cigs duty free - but they are still a slave to big money corporations. Where do you think that money goes? So stick that up your ass you pathetic addict. Why should I have to deal with smoke because you are too weak to quit. It's a proven hazzard. Maybe I should smash my bottle over your head. It would make me feel good - but obviously would be bad for your health. Count the days, enjoy your smokes while you can. It's going to be over sooner rather than later. And life will go on without you. You will be stuck dragging around an oxygen tank or locked in an iron lung. Enjoy the growing cancer in your lung, and the hair falling out of your head from the chemo.
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Is smoking nicotine more addictive than either cocaine or heroin? According to leading drug addiction experts it is. This picture shows the nicotine addiction warning label on an actual pack of Camel cigarettes from Canada. Although youth in Canada and in all European Union nations now see addiction warning labels, since 1990 the U.S. tobacco industry has used its muscle to successfully stop the United States Congress from passing a bill to warn U.S. children and teens of the true power of nicotine to de-sensitize and enslave their brain reward pathways.
It's the exact same message that the over 4 million killed by tobacco each year failed to receive during their youth when they placed those first cigarettes to their lips while trying to look so darn cool and grown-up - NICOTINE IS HIGHLY ADDICTIVE.
As shown by the recent HONC study, it takes just a few puffs on a few cigarettes before the mind begins experiencing an endless nicotine crave cycle. Did you know that 90% of all smokers became addicted while teenagers? So who were we really trying to imitate, real adults who were smart enough to never start, or the 90% of addicted teens who simply grew older? If 90% of all smokers start as teenagers, what age group are the tobacco companies (run by adults) working hard to addict?
Do you consider yourself addicted to nicotine? Are you a drug addict? Do you live from fix to fix? How is addiction defined? Although definitions vary a bit, most include the following factors: (1) a dependance on the substance; (2) its compulsive use; (3) tolerance; (4) damage to the user; and (5) withdrawal symptoms once the substance is taken away. Hi! My name is John and I??m a ??nicoholic!? Oh, I'm quit, arrested my dependency and am totally comfortable now but like true alcoholics, we nicotine addicts always remains just one powerful puff of nicotine away from commencing the onset of full and complete relapse.
The tobacco companies successfully addict 2,000 new teenagers in the U.S. each and every day and 100,000 worldwide. That??s over one million teens each year. CDC statistics show that most teens want to quit, have tried to quit (73%), but few have been successful (13%). I guess misery does love company because, sadly, many addicted teens help their friends and classmates join the ranks of the permanently addicted.
This picture is of the European Community addiction warning label that seeks to inform and protect children and teenagers in Belgium, Germany, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Denmark, Ireland, the United Kingdom, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Finland and Sweden. Sadly, there is no warning of impending chemical addiction for U.S. children and teens. Instead, those pushing, selling and promoting nicotine products in the U.S. are teaching children that smoking is just a nasty little habit.
And where does all the drug money go? It goes to the local seller (a drug pusher of sorts), to the tobacco company (the drug supplier), to the tobacco farmer (the grower) and to the government as takes its tax slice of the drug pie. I??m convinced that millions of adults would rather see our youth continue to become addicted and take their money, rather than to stop or control this madness. Here in the South Carolina, USA, you can??t go into any supermarket, pharmacy (that??s a kicker), bowling alley, gas station or restaurant without someone or some machine offering to sell you nicotine.
Each and every day up to 100,000 children and teenagers become addicted to nicotine, while the addiction pipeline pumps 4.9 million wonderful humans into early graves. That??s four (4) times as many people as killed annually by all other drugs, car accidents, suicides, homicides, and AIDS deaths combined. How many mothers would go out and purchase heroin to give their teen a drug fix? According to the U.S. Center for Disease Control there were 4,175 heroin related deaths reported in 1995. Mom, your child is 100 times more likely to die from smoking related causes than heroin related ones.
We need to change the way we look at nicotine use and addiction. Is it cool to smell like an ashtray, have bad breath and watch your teeth grow stained while your gums grow diseased? Is it cool to live your entire life from nicotine crave to nicotine crave? Is it cool to surrender control of your life to chemical commands, to become a slave? How strong is nicotine? Well, for every 20 nicotine addicts who attempt to quit on their own only one succeeds in doing so for a year. It was supposed to be cool, remember?
Even newly addicted youth can almost feel the tar and other chemicals as they begin to build and gradually impair their breathing. They can feel the damage while trying to run, swim, dance, sing or engage in other energetic activities? They don't have to wait on lung cancer, emphysema or heart disease before seeing tobacco??s awesome power. For most, it will happen shortly after their first few cigarettes, as soon as nicotine takes control and commands them to smoke some more nicotine NOW!
If you want to see where nicotine addiction can lead then read Sean's, Noni's, Bryan's, Kim's, or the tragic stories of others. Nicotine never lets up, the accelerated decay and damage never takes a break, and breaking free will never be easier than it is today. Take a quick peek at how thousands are breaking free with the help of serious online education, support and counseling. The site is called Freedom from Tobacco and it's a classroom and support group all rolled into one. Knowledge is power! We hope you'll join us!
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Originally posted by jsnow2:
So stick that up your ass you pathetic addict.
there's no one i like more than anti-smoking internet trolls ... you rock!!
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I smoke. I follow the no-smoking guidelines and even when smoking in a "smoking area", try to be courteous and aware of the non-smokers around me. If someone tells me my cigarrete is bothering them, even if I am in the smoking section or at a show, I will usually put it out.
I don't go to restaurants without a smoking section. I cook more and have more dinner parties now.
I find that non-smoking people on music-oriented message boards who rant about smoking and the hazards to their health are usually the same people who don't think twice about drinking and driving. (Rhett and Celeste probably excepted.)
If you guarantee to me that you won't ever get behind the wheel after you've been drinking (where you can do much more harm to yourself AND others), then I won't smoke around you. Promise.
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Next they're going to take away my right to FART at shows. Fucking fascists.
One major advantage is that without smoke, people are going to smell my farts even more. Always good for clearing out some space around me at a crowded show.
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oh god...is this thread going to end up with the DC residents of the board (who I can almost guarantee not a single one of them was born in DC)start the tired and worn "Don't you tell us what to do with our bars and restaurants you scum suburbanites" shit?
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One of Williams' arguments against a complete ban is that DC resident are going to drive to Virginia bars to smoke, and DC will lose business...
Yeah, right. Like DC residents are going to "lower" themselves to such a level.
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Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
Yeah, right. Like DC residents are going to "lower" themselves to such a level.
They go for those drive-by's don't they?
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as if DC is some mecca of sophistication, pulease. if there's one thing ive learned in life it's that ppl who have to feel superior to others are insecure with themselves. ive known of enuf posers in dc to know this is the case.
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Two women are walking down the road and one asks the other "Do you smoke after sex?" The second replied "I don't know. I never looked!"
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dc isn't even on the cultural map any more. there is not much of a scene anymore, and the khaki and eggshell conservativos seem to rule the scene. boring.
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Originally posted by jsnow2:
dc isn't even on the cultural map any more.
When exactly was DC on the cultural map?
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I sure didn't move here for the culture. Almost moved away for the lack thereof, but hell if you aint got culture, create your own.
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That's bs...there's loads of culture in D.C.
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INGREDIENTS OF CIGARETTES besides tobacco:
paint thinner (acetone), floor cleaner (ammonia), bug spray (DDT/Deildrin), rat poison (arsenic), lighter fluid (hexamine), carbon monoxide, gas poison (hydrogen cyanide), alcohol (ethanol), sewer gas(methane), rocket fuel (methanol), mothballs (napthalene), insecticide (nicotine), candle wax (stearic acid),
industrial solvent (toluene),
dead body preservative (formaldehyde)
Dear Mr Gaines, it appears YOU are the stupid fuck to inhale this shit!!!
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Hold on a minute...if everyone stopped smoking how would they replace the tax revenue they generate.
SMOKE! SMOKE AS MANY AS YOU CAN....IN FACT, I'M GOING TO START CARRYING A LIGHTER SO I CAN HELP THEM LIGHT UP AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Hold on a minute...if everyone stopped smoking how would they replace the tax revenue they generate.
Legalize and tax America's fourth largest cash crop.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
oh god...is this thread going to end up with the DC residents of the board (who I can almost guarantee not a single one of them was born in DC)start the tired and worn "Don't you tell us what to do with our bars and restaurants you scum suburbanites" shit?
OK, I might not be such a resident of this board, but you can have a glance at my crappy, Sibley Hospital reading, photostatic birth certificate any time you like. So lay your hands off my bars, yeah?
Besides, where will Hitchens drink now? There's your 25% loss.
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Originally posted by mrdarcey:
Besides, where will Hitchens drink now? There's your 25% loss.
i saw hitchens a few months ago at milano and the dude was DRINKING (and chain smoking) ... my uncle was in town and wanted to go see "famous for dc" people
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Legalize and tax America's fourth largest cash crop.
Just don't do this!
Italian Lawmakers to Consider Porn Tax
Thursday, December 8, 2005
(12-08) 15:45 PST ROME, Italy (AP) --
Italians would have to pay a 20 percent tax on pornography according to a budget amendment that cleared a first legislative hurdle, news reports said Thursday.
The proposed tax was approved at committee level and is expected to go before the Chamber of Deputies, Italy's lower parliamentary house, early next week.
The tax is expected to raise about euro220 million (US$260 million) to help reduce the national deficit and to help fund government tax breaks to families.
"I believe the porn tax is important not for moralistic reasons, which don't concern me, but because I think that at a time of difficult economic conditions for families it is right to tax products that are not essential," lawmaker Daniela Santache was quoted as saying by the ANSA news agency.
URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/12/08/international/i093409S10.DTL (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/12/08/international/i093409S10.DTL)
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Originally posted by mrdarcey:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
oh god...is this thread going to end up with the DC residents of the board (who I can almost guarantee not a single one of them was born in DC)start the tired and worn "Don't you tell us what to do with our bars and restaurants you scum suburbanites" shit?
OK, I might not be such a resident of this board, but you can have a glance at my crappy, Sibley Hospital reading, photostatic birth certificate any time you like. So lay your hands off my bars, yeah?
Besides, where will Hitchens drink now? There's your 25% loss. [/b]
My son was born in GW....does that make me a dc native by proxy? ;)
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
My son was born in GW....does that make me a dc native by proxy?
Yes!
There, are you happy now?
Now when are you gonna come clean about the Daggers & Pucaras???
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I know I'll catch flak for this, but the sooner this ban goes into effect the better.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Originally posted by Medusa:
I know I'll catch flak for this, but the sooner this ban goes into effect the better.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
I agree!
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Originally posted by Medusa:
I know I'll catch flak for this, but the sooner this ban goes into effect the better.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
I think you'll be surprised/happy to learn that more people support it then you think.
They're just not as outspoken as the smokers as they're not "losing" anything.
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http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/12/11/opinionist_dc_smoking_ban.php (http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/12/11/opinionist_dc_smoking_ban.php)
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I also support the ban since I'm allergic to cig smoke and my sinuses get congested, stinging eyes, sneezing etc when the ventilation is shit. Will definetely go out more if it ever includes bars.
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This is one of those things we're going to look back at 20 years from now and laugh and say, "I can't believe we used to do that" - kind of like when we look back and say "Women used to smoke when they were pregnant all the time" - it's completely abusrd to think that that was alright. This will be the same.
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In the future only cool people will be allowed to smoke.
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Originally posted by sparklygirl:
I also support the ban since I'm allergic to cig smoke and my sinuses get congested, stinging eyes, sneezing etc when the ventilation is shit. Will definetely go out more if it ever includes bars.
Are you sure that's not your crack habit?
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Just thinking...what about these artists (usually Brit) who like to smoke on stage? Will thatguy jump up on stage and give them a serious hurting then throw them out on their arse?
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My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me, and I turned out just fine!
Originally posted by vansmack:
This is one of those things we're going to look back at 20 years from now and laugh and say, "I can't believe we used to do that" - kind of like when we look back and say "Women used to smoke when they were pregnant all the time" - it's completely abusrd to think that that was alright. This will be the same.
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Originally posted by Medusa:
I know I'll catch flak for this, but the sooner this ban goes into effect the better.
I think the majority of the board agrees with you. I can't wait for this ban to start.
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Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me, and I turned out just fine!
If you didn't die from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS/ Cot-Death) then yeah, you will probably be fine:
"There is an extensive literature showing that fetal nicotine exposure, due to maternal smoking, alters embryonic brain development and results in a variety of pathological effects in the neonate that fall under the heading of the fetal nicotine syndrome. These include a fourfold increased incidence of SIDS, ten's of thousands of cases of tobacco induced abortions, premature deliveries, low birth weight and an increased incidence of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. Although the mechanisms involved are not well understood, they are thought to be mediated in part by nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in the fetal brain. "
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
Originally posted by sparklygirl:
I also support the ban since I'm allergic to cig smoke and my sinuses get congested, stinging eyes, sneezing etc when the ventilation is shit. Will definetely go out more if it ever includes bars.
Are you sure that's not your crack habit? [/b]
I think your crack head is confusing me with someone else :roll:
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I'm sure my mom, who was 5'1" 95 lbs before getting pregnant with me, was just smoking in an attempt to keep my birthweight low.
Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me, and I turned out just fine!
If you didn't die from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS/ Cot-Death) then yeah, you will probably be fine:
"There is an extensive literature showing that fetal nicotine exposure, due to maternal smoking, alters embryonic brain development and results in a variety of pathological effects in the neonate that fall under the heading of the fetal nicotine syndrome. These include a fourfold increased incidence of SIDS, ten's of thousands of cases of tobacco induced abortions, premature deliveries, low birth weight and an increased incidence of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. Although the mechanisms involved are not well understood, they are thought to be mediated in part by nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in the fetal brain. " [/b]
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me, and I turned out just fine!
If you didn't die from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS/ Cot-Death) then yeah, you will probably be fine:
"There is an extensive literature showing that fetal nicotine exposure, due to maternal smoking, alters embryonic brain development and results in a variety of pathological effects in the neonate that fall under the heading of the fetal nicotine syndrome. These include a fourfold increased incidence of SIDS, ten's of thousands of cases of tobacco induced abortions, premature deliveries, low birth weight and an increased incidence of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. Although the mechanisms involved are not well understood, they are thought to be mediated in part by nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in the fetal brain. " [/b]
Markie....you really are the biggest effn dork I've ever come across, how your wife puts up with you is just beyond comprehension. ;)
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Pot-Kettle: <img src="http://www.ferrariofwashington.com/contact/reach%20pics/oxley.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Bada bada bing! Down another Carling.
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If I want to sit in and drink super tenants in the day I will,
No-ones going to fucking tell me jack.
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Pot-Kettle: :eek:
A lot less facial hair these days too.
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Originally posted by econo:
Bada bada bing! Down another Carling.
who's round is it?
down that beer
quick smash my glass back down
fall over the table
all rowdy and pissed
seems the only difference between mid-week shit and weekend is how loud i speak
can't lounge in the boozer all day, have ma-noooooeu-vers to make
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Originally posted by vansmack:
This is one of those things we're going to look back at 20 years from now and laugh and say, "I can't believe we used to do that"
It's true...I already think that about smoking in movie theaters or an office -- it's so totally untinkable now. You see some of these old movies and you think, "holy shit, they are PUFFING AWAY right at their desk, or in the meeting with the big boss -- hell, the boss has a box of cigarettes and a big old fancy lighter on the coffee table in his office?!?"
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watching all of the smoking in "Good Night, and Good Luck" totally freaked me out. I had totally forgotten that all of my parents' friends had ashtrays on their desks and tables until about 20 years ago.
I was living in NYC when the smoking ban took effect there, and as a smoker, I thought I would hate it. It didn't force me to quit, but it is pretty nice to go home from a bar and not have your clothes and hair smelling like ass the next day. I have no problems with going outside to feed my addiction. Here's to a smoke-free DC.
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Originally posted by Bags:
It's true...I already think that about smoking in movie theaters or an office -- it's so totally untinkable now.
How about smoking on planes? If you're over 30 you may remember non-smoking sections on planes? How ridiculous of an idea was that?
It wasn't until 1988 that smoking bans of varying degrees on planes started in the US and 1998 before a complete ban on US flights. Amazing.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
How about smoking on planes? If you're over 30 you may remember non-smoking sections on planes? How ridiculous of an idea was that?
It wasn't until 1988 that smoking bans of varying degrees on planes started in the US and 1998 before a complete ban on US flights. Amazing.
over 30? I remember sitting next to my dad as he smoked away on planes all the time as a kid, really was screwed up. The first few years after smoking was no longer allowed on flights he was hell to fly with.
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"holy shit, they are PUFFING AWAY right at their desk, or in the meeting with the big boss -- hell, the boss has a box of cigarettes and a big old fancy lighter on the coffee table in his office?!?"
brings back memories of working in Egypt with the addition of constantly ringing cellphones in meetings and people conducting celphone conversations in meetings!)
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Originally posted by frenchpiece:
watching all of the smoking in "Good Night, and Good Luck" totally freaked me out. I had totally forgotten that all of my parents' friends had ashtrays on their desks and tables until about 20 years ago.
there was not a second in that movie where someone wasn't taking a drag off a cigarette, literally ... it was killing me, i lit up right when i got out of the theatre ... great movie, by the way
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I think the middle ground is obvious here. Permits should be issued on a three category basis. Cat. 1 is no smoking. This permit will run 1k a year. Any one person found smoking whether it be band member or uninformed patron will result in a one time 5k fine paid by the establishment. Second offense automatically demotes to cat 2 and all cost that pertain. Cat. 2 will be limited smoking. This permit will run 5k per year and be dependent on smoke parts per one million found in the air. The only way to achieve these specified levels is with a certified filtering unit installed every 1000 square feet. Quarterly inspection mandatory of course (for a fee). Exceeding the parts per one million limit will result in a one time 5k fine. Second offense, demotion to cat. 3. Cat 3 is a full-on cancer shack. 20k per year. All Categories require standardized signs posted outside venue... for a fee. Maybe then this city can fund Williams's pet over on the anacostia.
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Originally posted by myuman:
Cat. 1 is no smoking. This permit will run 1k a year. Any one person found smoking whether it be band member or uninformed patron will result in a one time 5k fine paid by the establishment.
You would need a permit to prohibit someone from doing something? Then just what would you be permitting?
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Tell St.Peter at the pearly gate that you just hate to make him wait...but you've gotta have just one more cigarette
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Oh how i long for the days when supply and demand were conneted, when business owners decided what went on in their establishments, how about an owner opening up a non-smoking club. Lots of artists would sign up. I know one DC resident who might agree. BOB MOULD.
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Originally posted by brennser:
"holy shit, they are PUFFING AWAY right at their desk, or in the meeting with the big boss -- hell, the boss has a box of cigarettes and a big old fancy lighter on the coffee table in his office?!?"
brings back memories of working in Egypt with the addition of constantly ringing cellphones in meetings and people conducting celphone conversations in meetings!) [/b]
..and car horns, just what the *uck is it with Egyptians and their car horns? They just drive down the road "BEEP BEEP BEEP" for no reason whatsoever.
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Originally posted by dlcjr1775:
Oh how i long for the days when supply and demand were conneted, when business owners decided what went on in their establishments, how about an owner opening up a non-smoking club. Lots of artists would sign up.
Yeah, and carry guns in our holsters and have duels when one guy tried to take another mans whore, who was perusing the establishment, and black people, when they weren't cleaning out the stock room, could use a different water fountain when they were thirsty.
This civilized society stuff is for the birds.
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I'm a non-smoker former DC resident now living in NY. I was totally against the smoking ban when it first was considered in DC. I'm not a vigliant anti-smoker. if people want to do it, it's their choice, even if it's not good for you. And smoking and bars go together and it just came with the territory.
when i moved to NY almost 2 years ago, the smoking ban had recently been enacted. I now have done a 180 on this and am totally in support of the ban in bars. It's a huge difference and every smoker up here has adapted. No one really complains about it anymore. And no one's stopped going to bars. In fact, it may even have increased the number of people who go. Even many smokers i know like the ban b/c they didn't always like being surrounded by smoke either. and not having your clothes and hair smell like smoke in the morning is great.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by dlcjr1775:
Oh how i long for the days when supply and demand were conneted, when business owners decided what went on in their establishments, how about an owner opening up a non-smoking club. Lots of artists would sign up.
Yeah, and carry guns in our holsters and have duels when one guy tried to take another mans whore, [/b]
You need a visit back to DC my friend.