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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: vansmack on March 07, 2006, 09:24:00 pm
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They just need another avenue for dissemintation.
I guess with MTV being in its new form, I forgot how amazing some music videos can be.
Here are a few I have been enjoying, feel free to post other music video links that are worth checking out. (these are not for dial-up users)
Eels: Hey Man (now your really living)
http://boss.streamos.com/download/dreamworks/eels/heyman/video/heyman.mov (http://boss.streamos.com/download/dreamworks/eels/heyman/video/heyman.mov)
Maximo Park: Apply Some Pressure
http://extreme.colonelblimp.com/directors/diamonddogs/movies/DD_maximo_pressure_L.mov (http://extreme.colonelblimp.com/directors/diamonddogs/movies/DD_maximo_pressure_L.mov)
LCD Soundsystem: Tribulations
http://extreme.colonelblimp.com/directors/dougalwilson/movies/DW_lcd_tribs_L.mov (http://extreme.colonelblimp.com/directors/dougalwilson/movies/DW_lcd_tribs_L.mov)
Deerhoof: Wrong Time Capsule
http://marthacolburn.com/deeerhooof/DH_stream.mov (http://marthacolburn.com/deeerhooof/DH_stream.mov)
Stephen Malkmus: Mama
http://cissme.com/bgroup-us/wm/matador/malks/video/ole650-2-07_300.asx (http://cissme.com/bgroup-us/wm/matador/malks/video/ole650-2-07_300.asx)
Of Montreal: Wraith Pinned to the Mist and Other Games
http://kangarooalliance.com/hhhh.mov (http://kangarooalliance.com/hhhh.mov)
Of Montreal: Requiem for O.M.M.2
http://www.hipvideopromo.com/video/requiem1Mbps_Stream001.mov (http://www.hipvideopromo.com/video/requiem1Mbps_Stream001.mov)
The Shins: New Slang
http://www.academydregs.com/lancebangs.com/videos/NEWSLANGQT7.mov (http://www.academydregs.com/lancebangs.com/videos/NEWSLANGQT7.mov)
Gorillaz: Full Video Concert Stream
http://music.aol.com/network_live/concert_videos/gorillaz/concert (http://music.aol.com/network_live/concert_videos/gorillaz/concert)
Decemberists: 16 Military Wives
http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/toolshed/krs/decemberists_otk_ref.mov (http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/toolshed/krs/decemberists_otk_ref.mov)
New Order: Temptation
http://www.kinoteca.net/NewOrder/temptation.mp4 (http://www.kinoteca.net/NewOrder/temptation.mp4)
Death Before 1979: Sexy Results (not werksafe, maybe)
http://www.softcitizen.com/sexyresults.html (http://www.softcitizen.com/sexyresults.html)
Death Cab: Crooked Teeth
http://www.partizan.us/musicvideos/an/death_cab_for_cutie_crooked_teeth.mov (http://www.partizan.us/musicvideos/an/death_cab_for_cutie_crooked_teeth.mov)
She Wants Revenge: Tear You Apart
http://boss.streamos.com/real/geffen/she_wants_revenge/video/shewantsrevenge/tearyouapart_mtv/00_hi.ram (http://boss.streamos.com/real/geffen/she_wants_revenge/video/shewantsrevenge/tearyouapart_mtv/00_hi.ram)
Rogue Wave: Publish My Love (unreleased directors cut)
http://www.rhfilms.com/matt-lenski/videos/publish_my_love.html (http://www.rhfilms.com/matt-lenski/videos/publish_my_love.html)
http://67.88.217.34/downloads/free/Publish_My_Love363.mov (http://67.88.217.34/downloads/free/Publish_My_Love363.mov) (lawyer approved version)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I guess with MTV being in its new form, I forgot how amazing some music videos can be.
Do you watch Subterranean on Sunday nights on MTV2? they usually have really good videos ... http://www.altmusictv.com/sub/previous.html (http://www.altmusictv.com/sub/previous.html)
Hope of the States - Black Dollar Bills (http://www.sinnamonrecords.com/video/hopestates_01_01_hi.html)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Decemberists: 16 Military Wives
http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/toolshed/krs/decemberists_otk_ref.mov (http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/toolshed/krs/decemberists_otk_ref.mov)
Ha! That was fun. Very Wes Anderson's Rushmore, I thought. (It wasn't actually directed by Wes Anderson, was it?)
Thanks for all the links!
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Originally posted by Darth Ed:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Decemberists: 16 Military Wives
http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/toolshed/krs/decemberists_otk_ref.mov (http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/toolshed/krs/decemberists_otk_ref.mov)
Ha! That was fun. Very Wes Anderson's Rushmore, I thought. (It wasn't actually directed by Wes Anderson, was it?)
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No, Aaron Stewart directed this video (he also performed on the album if I'm not mistaken). Although he recognizes the similarities with Rushmore, he claims he didn't realize it until after he was done and people compared the two.
I'm not sure I believe him, but he did a good job in tribute or subconsciously either way.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Do you watch Subterranean on Sunday nights on MTV2? they usually have really good videos ...
Yep - 9 videos, total, in a week. 20 commercials during those 9 videos. There has to be a better way.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
There has to be a better way.
VTV = Vansmack TV
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one of my all-time favorites:
Basement Jaxx - Where's Your Head At (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8md51JnCNFQ)
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i think this won the MTV Europe video awards, it's really really good ...
Chemical Brothers - Believe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP5xiWva3Lc&search=chemical%20brothers%20believe)
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Stricly Global, which airs on MHZ in NoVA at 9 pm on Friday nights, plays good videos.
Airs: Fridays at 9:00PM
Broadcast in: English
An hour long international music video show catering to the world scene, Strictly Global showcases music videos spanning every genre of music from around the world. Independent and underground, Strictly Global defies the mainstream music market, sharing an appreciation for music that ignores borders. Strictly Global highlights international artists that might otherwise be overlooked by mainstream media, taking its audience on a trek around the world every week.
Strictly Global is not just about world music, itâ??s about music from the world.
Strictly Global introduces viewers to music videos they won't find anywhere else. Musicians from Chile, Japan, Thailand, Mali, Russia, England, Australia, the Philippines, Venezuela, Germany and nations all over the globe are represented. Independent American artists from Folk, Zydeco, Jazz, Blues and Bluegrass replace the mainstream American Pop, Rock and Hip-hop music which dominates the nationâ??s airwaves. Strictly Global furthers independent media pioneer MHz Networks mission to promote intercultural understanding through intelligent programming and outreach-- celebrating both the diversity and universality of music.
Strictly Global presents the viewer with as much diversity as possible. Hosted by producers Mike Leyva and Terrance Averett , Strictly Global provides a fresh approach to music. Mike and Terrance do not follow the traditional role of VJs youâ??d find on other music video programs. The music videos above all take precedence. Mike and Terrance function like radio station program directors. They appear in the beginning, introducing the show and previewing some show tidbits, and the end, closing out the show and prompting viewers to make requests through the website. The program format is video followed by video with no interruption. Strictly Global airs every Friday night at 9PM in the Washington D.C. metropolitan area on MHz Networks Channel 56 (WNVC).
Strictly Global presents music from all genres, any language and every corner of the globe
sample playlist:
Artist Name Song Title Album Title Label Origin
Manu Chao Me Gustas Tu Proxima Estacion: Esperanza Virgin Euro/Latin Amer.
Rita Ribeiro Filhos da Precisao Perolas Aos Povos Putumayo Brazil
Cristina Branco Musa Corpo Iluminado Emarcy Portugal
Sinead O'Connor My Lagan Love Sean-Nos Nua Vanguard Ireland
Miri Ben-Ari Sunshine to the Rain Hip Hop Violinist Universal Israel
Bjork All is Full of Love Homogenic Elektra Iceland
Judy and Mary Lucky Pool Lucky Pool Sony Japan
Dizzee Rascal Dream Showtime XL/Beggars Group UK
Alegres de la Sierra Lloraras De Corazan & Alegres Univision Records Mexico
Dogs Die in Hot Cars I Love You Cuz I Have To Please Describe Yourself V2 Records Scotland
Raza Obrera El Taconazo Rolonononas Pa' La Raza Univision Records Mexico
Zone Secret Base (Kimiga Kureta Mono) Z Sony Japan
Missy Higgins Ten Days All For Believing Warner Brothers Australia
Jens Lekman You are the Light When I Said I Wanted To Be Your Dog Secretly Canadian Records Scandanavia
Mello-D & The Rados Cool Witchu Antitainment Thermite Records USA
K-Os The Love Song Joyful Rebellion Astralwerks Canada/ Trinidad
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that Of Montreal video ("wraith pinned..") is so great.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Hope of the States - Black Dollar Bills (http://www.sinnamonrecords.com/video/hopestates_01_01_hi.html)
Thanks. I'd never seen that, but I've always loved that song.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Do you watch Subterranean on Sunday nights on MTV2? they usually have really good videos ...
Yep - 9 videos, total, in a week. 20 commercials during those 9 videos. There has to be a better way. [/b]
Yeah, I like that show, but there really are way too many commercials.
That Stephen Malkmus video is awesome.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
VTV = Vansmack TV
So here's my plan, and I nearly brought this up in it's own thread a few months ago.
I met with PBS last month to discuss with them how to solve one of their on going problems: PBS does well to capture an audience when they're young (Sesame Street and Barney) and when your old (virtually all the rest of their programming), but has struggled to maintain a solid audience between 15 and 45. Other than one-off show on a topic I'm interested in, the only TiVo setting I have for PBS is "Austin City Limits."
So I'm watching MTV and VH1 team up to completely make a hash of Live 8, and I just turn to the Internet to watch Live 8. Later that night I caught Modest Mouse on "Austin City Limits" and I thought to myself "Why didn't PBS broadcast Live 8? They would do an amazing job with something like this." And that's when it hit me - if PBS really wanted to capture the 15-45 audience, why not fill a void that's left by so-called music channels?
And I'm not talking about music videos (although I think there's something there) - why not record and re-broadcast SXSW, Austin City Limits, Coachella, Lollapalooza, Bonaroo, and all of the other music festivals out there? That's a sure way to get a large protion of the 15-45 market - there's something for everybody out there. And it's not a large cost either as it wouldn't be live, this could be a great way for younger filmmakers to get some experience (and work on the cheap), and the archive could be permanently hosted and retrievable on a PBS web site (I dropped an "in high def for when fiber optics are the norm" and I lost them) similar to what KCRW does with the morning becomes eclectic.
I also used some of the WOXY talk here to back up the potential for recovering costs (although it will not make any money). Throw in DVD sales however, and I think there's money out there.
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that sounds like a great idea for pbs... and there is probably some public access stations where material could funnel up from. i know the arlington station shot the latest anti-war concert in dc for instance.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
that sounds like a great idea for pbs... and there is probably some public access stations where material could funnel up from. i know the arlington station shot the latest anti-war concert in dc for instance.
As expected, I'm having reasonably good success at the regional level, but they all say the same thing: distribution is handled nationally. Unless it's created by the big 4 or 5 local PBS stations, it's hard to get it on the air nationally.
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Smackie, I like the idea! The trick will be convincing them that it will draw in the pledge money like the shows that the doctors (James Taylor) like to watch.
Maybe you can get some stats on how NPR is doing with their concerts they are broadcasting from DC. If the numbers look good, seems it should help support your claims as it's basically the same concept.
Personally, I've stopped bothering with any of the music broadcasted on PBS because it's always, James Taylor, The Moody Blues, or some other show that I just don't feel like bothering with. I did enjoy the Cream concert but that was a rare event. They really need to broadcast some bands with some youth and life in them. I'm not saying send the oldsters off to the soylent green factory. But I am saying they need some fresh blood and some variety. Some of the bigger US festivals would offer loads of variety and lots of fresher material along with a few classics.
I myself am in the doctors age brackett but can't stand most of what they watch, music-wise. To top it off, polls and surveys usually weed me out assuming that I don't buy CDs or fit what they are looking for. I don't want to say it's discrimanitory but I will say they are leaving out a viable part of the market based on faulty assumptions.
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Great idea, but (hate to be a naysayer), most of these festivals are "selling" the broadcast rights to a high commerical bidder. SBC (sub of AT&T) seems to be the cash cow these days. I don't think PBS could match the upfront cash payment that these commercial entities have.
I think you're on to something though. If PBS could garner aspiring filmakers to follow one or two bands through their festival experience, it would make for good viewing and:
- get the band good publicity from a non-traditional audience, so it'd be a coup for them to cooperate
- get PBS additional viewers
- music fans would dig it because if it has the PBS label it will mean better quality than, say, MTV.
I dunno, not an expert here, just piggy-backing on your good idea.
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Originally posted by Arlette:
Great idea, but (hate to be a naysayer), most of these festivals are "selling" the broadcast rights to a high commerical bidder. SBC (sub of AT&T) seems to be the cash cow these days. I don't think PBS could match the upfront cash payment that these commercial entities have.
They wouldn't have to.
AT&T (formerly SBC) is better off being a corporate sponsor for the web site and collaborating with PBS to do a web archive or broadcast. After all, PBS has the film know-how, AT&T has the internet know how. AT&T is better served by folks going to the PBS website "powered by AT&T" - it will cost less and the product will be of higher quality.
In this model, the only loser is the festival promoters who lose the big corp dollars to the lesser sponsorship dollars, unless you figure that only SXSW consistenly sells the show(s) out - the rest of the festivals could use the exposure they're getting from PBS. It's bound to sell more tickets.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Smackie, I like the idea! The trick will be convincing them that it will draw in the pledge money like the shows that the doctors (James Taylor) like to watch.
They're not getting any money from 15-45 year old's now, so why should they bother with that? It's hard to get something from nothing.
At least they'll get a little more money this way now, but 10-15-20 years from now we will all be so happy with PBS that when we do have money to give away, they will already have our attention.
This is an investment now, for the future of PBS. I call this friend raising. The problem is they (and their boards) can only think in the now for fund raising. Friend raising (now) leads to fund raising (later).
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I met with PBS last month
have you seen A Mighty Wind? this whole post reminds me of Bob Balaban's pitch to Ed Begley Jr (http://www.gotwavs.com/cgi-bin/mp3s.cgi?A_Mighty_Wind=mitzvah.mp3) (the scandanavian jewish PBS honcho) to air the tribute show
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
have you seen A Mighty Wind? this whole post reminds me of Bob Balaban's pitch to Ed Begley Jr (http://www.gotwavs.com/cgi-bin/mp3s.cgi?A_Mighty_Wind=mitzvah.mp3) (the scandanavian jewish PBS honcho) to air the tribute show
Christopher Guest is a subtle genius. One of the least celebrated early SNL guys.
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Just about any Rammstein video is a work of f-in genius