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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: mankie on November 24, 2003, 01:44:00 pm
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The sniper got the death sentence...now if we could only have the method of execution be by sniper sometime that he doesn't know, so that he can live like we had to last year, instead of the cowardly injection method.
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HELL YEAH!
Best news I've heard all day! :D
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If there was ever a case when this was an appropriate punishment, then this is it.
Personally I'm opposed to captial punishment in all cases but that's just me.
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I admit to being somewhat on the fence on the issue, but not for pond scum,,,,Bundy, Dammer, Casey and this twat etc...I hope they kill his little toy boy as well.
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Originally posted by mankie:
The sniper got the death sentence...now if we could only have the method of execution be by sniper sometime that he doesn't know, so that he can live like we had to last year, instead of the cowardly injection method.
well, utah still has the firing squad as an option.
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I wonder what Steve Earle and Billy Bragg will have to say about this tonight.
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One wierd thing about cases where the death sentance may come into play is that if a potential juror is opposed to the death penalty they are dismissed from the jury pool. Is it just me or does this not make sense? A jury is supposed to be composed of our peers...a cross section of society if you will. If that cross-section of society includes people against capital punishment, so be it, correct?
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Originally posted by chaz:
One wierd thing about cases where the death sentance may come into play is that if a potential juror is opposed to the death penalty they are dismissed from the jury pool. Is it just me or does this not make sense? A jury is supposed to be composed of our peers...a cross section of society if you will. If that cross-section of society includes people against capital punishment, so be it, correct?
Another way to get out of a trial too.
I am on the fence about this also. I am against killing, and I don't see how this can serve as an example to others (such people are really over the edge in the first place and don't think they will ever be caught), and really is just making it again unclear that it is wrong to kill.
That and admit it, put him in the general population and he will be buggered to death in a month...
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chaz...you make a good point, but if it was that simple all the defence would have to do is get one juror against the death penalty and "baddaboom" they win. I believe defence/prosecution can veto either sides juror selection. I think the defences strategy is to get jurors who would vote for death, but very reluctantly, so that the procecution will allow them to sit. I think that's what happened in this case because one juror was struggling with their decision.
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not professing to be an expert, that's just my understanding of how it works.
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You're definately right Mankie. I guess my point is just that the system works better for people who are pro electric chair zealots than it does for people who are opposed. But of course that is because capital punishment is legal in VA.
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Originally posted by chaz:
You're definately right Mankie. I guess my point is just that the system works better for people who are pro electric chair zealots than it does for people who are opposed. But of course that is because capital punishment is legal in VA.
I feel strongly that death is the right punishment for these two maggots, but felt very uncomfortable after their arrest when the different states were fighting over who would try them first by arguing they'd get death in their state, no worries. "Let us have em..we'll fry em no problem" It all sounded very sick and twisted.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by chaz:
You're definately right Mankie. I guess my point is just that the system works better for people who are pro electric chair zealots than it does for people who are opposed. But of course that is because capital punishment is legal in VA.
I feel strongly that death is the right punishment for these two maggots, but felt very uncomfortable after their arrest when the different states were fighting over who would try them first by arguing they'd get death in their state, no worries. "Let us have em..we'll fry em no problem" It all sounded very sick and twisted. [/b]
How telling that Va. got to prosecute first. People around here really want to see these guys dead.
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well, the 3 states that they were/are gonna be prosecuted in all allow the death penalty. . .
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The worst part is during the whole sniper thing we were talking about it at work, and I mentioned that you had a greater chance of dying in a car wreck. Well that weekend a co-worker did die in a crash. The sniper stuff completely quashed out such things (in this case 3 20ish boys died in the crash). Didn't make much of a dent in the news. That story and the bull about the white truck kept many other important things out of the news. There seems to be this inability for the tv and papers to fixate on more than one or two stories.
I am against the death penalty because:
(1) it is not cost effective
(2) it doesn't seem to deter anyone (we still have the highest murder rates of first world countries)
(3) there is always chance of error (probably not this time, but I can not say that everything wasn't planted on them)
(4) we have all these christians saying that it is okay to kill in this instance but not for 3 day old zygotes
(5) could you imagine now having someone's death on your conscience?
and more reasons
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
well, the 3 states that they were/are gonna be prosecuted in all allow the death penalty. . .
There's a difference between "allow" and "do". I can't imagine a Maryland jury coming back with that decision. Alabama would probably have been the second choice.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
(5) could you imagine now having someone's death on your conscience?
For these two and child killers I personally would be very happy to pull the trigger, flip the switch or push the hypodermic needle then go for a few pints to celebrate a good days work. I don't see it as a deterrent but simply the ultimate punishment for people who don't deserve to breathe the same air cvilized people breathe.
Have you noticed those strongly in favor of the death penalty are just as strongly against abortion? Don't kill em young, kill em later! Seems like a bit of a contradiction to me.
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i think torture is better then death...my cuz my hero and favorite comedian is vlad the impaler (fuck spelling)......so can we put his balls in a vice....or, of course, slit his throat and drink his blood.
staple his balls and penis to the ground and set the room on fire. but give him a pair of scissors...
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Originally posted by flawd101:
i think torture is better then death...my cuz my hero and favorite comedian is vlad the impaler (fuck spelling)......so can we put his balls in a vice....or, of course, slit his throat and drink his blood.
staple his balls and penis to the ground and set the room on fire. but give him a pair of scissors...
Then he could use the tip of the scissors to pry the staples out...sorry you lose but we do have some nice parting gifts for you...thanks for playing.
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not if they are those crappy safety scissors made of plastic and have no points :o ......
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Well...in this case in particular it's kind of weird but i too am glad that the death penalty has been ordered... i'm back and forth about the whole issue in general though, for a few reasons: (some that Sir HC mentioned)
-it is cheaper to keep a prisoner alive in jail for years rather than go through the appeal case, etc that happens when the death penalty is ordered
- so many times an error in the justice system is committed...if you remember in Illinois Gov. Ryan pardoned all the deathrow inmates because of the corruption that was uncovered.. asshole police forced false confessions from so many men that these innocent people were being executed for no reason. i think that until the system can be somehow fixed or regulated, the death penalty is very risky for something with such a high error rate.
anyway... aghlakjg
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Originally posted by I Heart Walkie:
- so many times an error in the justice system is committed...if you remember in Illinois Gov. Ryan pardoned all the deathrow inmates because of the corruption that was uncovered.. asshole police forced false confessions from so many men that these innocent people were being executed for no reason. i think that until the system can be somehow fixed or regulated, the death penalty is very risky for something with such a high error rate.
that's the big question for me. I won't defend killing as part of our justice system, because, apart from my personal beliefs, the numbers show that we've been wrong. repeatedly. and, oddly enough, guess who seem to get the worst deal? not elderly white men, I'll tell you that much.
the system stinks. Illinois definitely had the right idea.
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Death Penalty Facts (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cp.htm)
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So you're one of those fiscal conservatives looking to sut gov't spending?
Originally posted by I Heart Walkie:
-it is cheaper to keep a prisoner alive in jail for years rather than go through the appeal case, etc that happens when the death penalty is ordered
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"Kill Em All"
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This bastard who shows absolutely no remorse should die...and today, not in 10 years after the appeal process is exhausted. There is no hope of rehabilitation for people like him.
Killers who show genuine remorse should be given LIFE with NO POSSIBILITY of parole. This way they can reflect on what they've done every single day for the rest of their lives...Prison should be punishment..no TV, no penpals other than direct family, same for visitors. No education, no exercise...My God, prison is a 5 star living community. They have better living standards than those living in barracks serving in the military.
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Looking at those statistics gave me pause. They say that there are about 3,500 people on death row, and 71 were killed. There is no number given for those added to death row or if the number dropped this year (it did) because of the pardoning from Illinois and other states (didn't Texas just have a good case too?). All of which leads to the question is the death row population just going up faster than they are killing them off? Oh, and some die of old age or other causes before the government can exact its revenge.
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Your tv comment reminds me of the time we saw a guy speak who had been wrongfully convicted of murder (later the real killer was found). He was complaining about the prison conditions, and said "and the tv didn't even have cable, only local stations". Not sure if he was joking...
Originally posted by mankie:
This bastard who shows absolutely no remorse should die...and today, not in 10 years after the appeal process is exhausted. There is no hope of rehabilitation for people like him.
Killers who show genuine remorse should be given LIFE with NO POSSIBILITY of parole. This way they can reflect on what they've done every single day for the rest of their lives...Prison should be punishment..no TV, no penpals other than direct family, same for visitors. No education, no exercise...My God, prison is a 5 star living community. They have better living standards than those living in barracks serving in the military.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Prison should be punishment..no TV, no penpals other than direct family, same for visitors. No education, no exercise...My God, prison is a 5 star living community. They have better living standards than those living in barracks serving in the military.
Mankie, i couldnt agree with you more. Being an ex State of Colorado Corrections Officer i just cant believe all the rights these guys have. They get movie video's of recent movies before i have a chance to. If they whine they are always right. The word of an inmate will win over the word of a Correctional Officer any day. Their gyms are immaculate, classrooms, everything.....Once a week they get to order food and other everyday stuff from a catalog. Shoot i never had it that easy in the military. They have everything from Color tvs to cassette radios. Damn they even had soda and ice cream machines outside of their living pods. Kindergarten schools dont even have ice cream machines.