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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Brian_Wallace on November 21, 2007, 09:51:00 am
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1. Now, or at least soon there will be a entire generation of young people who have never heard of The Beatles, John Lennon, any "classic rock" and the entire Rolling Stone magazine generation of cultural imperialism will die a swift but very PAINFUL death.
2. Soon all the baby boomers with either be dead or incapacitated by hip replacements, knee replacements and/or the medical insurance not covering Viagra.
3. I was able to pick up the deluxe, limited-edition version of "Infinity on High" at Circuit City for $9.99 and just ordered the 180 gram audiophile vinyl special edition of "The Black Parade" that comes in a slip-case box, with 2 - 15 page books and 2 triple gatefold sleeves.
It makes the perfect gift. (http://www.mychemicalromance.com/store/)
Brian
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Well seeing as there are a number of classic rock tracks in Guitar Hero III, it ain't going away anytime soon.
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I'm thankful for the fact that it's getting closer and closer to the time when 90's music will be added to classic rock.
Generation X radio on DC 101 this past weekend was pretty awesome.
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I'm thankful that bands like the Beatles and Stones (neither of which I'm a big fan of) are still remembered 40+ years later, and that there's not one single band that formed in the 90's like Fall Out Boy that will be rembered in the 30's!!! Fuck, they won't be remembered in the 10's
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i'm thankful for this thread
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Pretty sure Fall Out Boy didn't form until like 2004. Either way, no one will care in five years.
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i'm thankful that daisies grow where the clouds do blow, and that sunshine is all around. also i like ice cream cones and seeing the first snow, plus people eating their supper at night. ponies and cows, low class and high brows, and marshmallows melting on the fire.
and the fact that a new book by scott mcclellan might actually just shed some light.
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
and that there's not one single band that formed in the 90's like Fall Out Boy that will be rembered in the 30's!!! Fuck, they won't be remembered in the 10's
You're right. In three years, no one will know who Pearl Jam, Radiohead, the Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, or the Beastie Boys are. :roll:
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Originally posted by walkonby:
i'm thankful that daisies grow where the clouds do blow, and that sunshine is all around. also i like ice cream cones and seeing the first snow, plus people eating their supper at night. ponies and cows, low class and high brows, and marshmallows melting on the fire.
My heavens, how did I not pickup before yesterday that you are, apparently, the gayest gay man in all of Gayville?
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
I'm thankful that bands like the Beatles and Stones (neither of which I'm a big fan of) are still remembered 40+ years later, and that there's not one single band that formed in the 90's like Fall Out Boy that will be rembered in the 30's!!! Fuck, they won't be remembered in the 10's
That's what I don't understand. Why do you want great music to last forever? That's like saving a Big Mac! Music is like flowers. They die and new ones grow. Rock music shouldn't mean . It should just "be." Right here, Right NOW. If Fall Out Boy or My Chemical Romance fade away, I won't be bothered. There will always be something new and exciting coming along. There always is. I don't understand nostalgic people who INSIST that "The Beatles must last forever!" "People will listen to Bruce Springsteen long after Fall Out Boy has been forgotten!" Jesus! Who cares? You're like some virgin, comic book fan who's arguing who would win in a fight between Superman and Spiderman. I've never heard someone my age say "Man, My Chemical Romance will last forever! My KIDS will be listening to them!" They really don't care. They aren't Rolling Stone magazine making a Top 100 list of the greatest albums of all time or having a tribute issue to John Lennon.
Why? WHY? Why are you SO concerned with Classic Rock music living forever? Why is it of VITAL IMPORTANCE that twenty years from now people still revere "How Soon is Now?', "Imagine" or "Smells Like Teen Spirit?" It's like forcing kids to read Shakespeare. Shakespeare means NOTHING to kids?? lives. And it's so clever and pretentious and smug it will cause kids to HATE it. Believe it or not, that's going to fade quickly in another ten years. All this f'ing "Cultural Literacy." I'm thankful for THAT. Music should have an expiration date, like milk. Because the shit you're furiously masturbating over (Beatles, Lennon, Springsteen, Led Zeppelin, Morrissey/The Smiths, The Who, etc.) is seriously beginning to smell.
Brian
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actually, this is pretty sad
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You're overdoing it, Brian. Your original schtick of praising FOB and MCR was amusing, but now you're forced to be even more superficial and ignorant since that's all you got. You've painted yourself into a corner, and I fully expect you to come on here now and say that 2girls1cup is ten times the cinematic experience that the Godfather is.
It's probably about time to have a wedding, funeral, bout of amnesia or sudden arrival of an identical twin.
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I think whatever this 2 cups/2 girls thing is probably vulgar so I'm not going to watch that. I don't slow down for car accidents, either.
I actually did see "The Godfather" for the first time about a year ago and thought it was awful. A slow, boring exercise in false bravado. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avddxEad7u8)
Brian
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Maybe it's just me but personally when I don't care about something I just simply don't think about it as opposed to creating a pseudo-theory and writing a mini-essay on said pseudo-theory, gotta love the internet.
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November 20, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist
The Segmented Society (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/opinion/20brooks.html?em&ex=1195794000&en=52e62e25f7dcf407&ei=5087%0A)
By DAVID BROOKS
On Feb. 9, 1964, the Beatles played on ??The Ed Sullivan Show.? Or as Steven Van Zandt remembers the moment: ??It was the beginning of my life.?
Van Zandt fell for the Beatles and discovered the blues and early rock music that inspired them. He played in a series of bands on the Jersey shore, and when a friend wanted to draw on his encyclopedic blues knowledge for a song called ??Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out,? Van Zandt wound up as a guitarist for Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.
The 1970s were a great moment for musical integration. Artists like the Rolling Stones and Springsteen drew on a range of musical influences and produced songs that might be country-influenced, soul-influenced, blues-influenced or a combination of all three. These mega-groups attracted gigantic followings and can still fill huge arenas.
But cultural history has pivot moments, and at some point toward the end of the 1970s or the early 1980s, the era of integration gave way to the era of fragmentation. There are now dozens of niche musical genres where there used to be this thing called rock. There are many bands that can fill 5,000-seat theaters, but there are almost no new groups with the broad following or longevity of the Rolling Stones, Springsteen or U2.
People have been writing about the fragmentation of American music for decades. Back in the Feb. 18, 1982, issue of Time, Jay Cocks wrote that American music was in splinters. But year after year, the segmentation builds.
Last month, for example, Sasha Frere-Jones wrote an essay in The New Yorker noting that indie rock is now almost completely white, lacking even the motifs of African-American popular music. Carl Wilson countered in Slate that indie rock??s real wall is social; it??s the genre for the liberal-arts-college upper-middle class.
Technology drives some of the fragmentation. Computers allow musicians to produce a broader range of sounds. Top 40 radio no longer serves as the gateway for the listening public. Music industry executives can use market research to divide consumers into narrower and narrower slices.
But other causes flow from the temper of the times. It??s considered inappropriate or even immoral for white musicians to appropriate African-American styles. And there??s the rise of the mass educated class.
People who have built up cultural capital and pride themselves on their superior discernment are naturally going to cultivate ever more obscure musical tastes. I??m not sure they enjoy music more than the throngs who sat around listening to Led Zeppelin, but they can certainly feel more individualistic and special.
Van Zandt grew up in one era and now thrives in the other, but how long can mega-groups like the E Street Band still tour?
??This could be the last time,? he says.
He argues that if the Rolling Stones came along now, they wouldn??t be able to get mass airtime because there is no broadcast vehicle for all-purpose rock. And he says that most young musicians don??t know the roots and traditions of their music. They don??t have broad musical vocabularies to draw on when they are writing songs.
As a result, much of their music (and here I??m bowdlerizing his language) stinks.
He describes a musical culture that has lost touch with its common roots. And as he speaks, I hear the echoes of thousands of other interviews concerning dozens of other spheres.
It seems that whatever story I cover, people are anxious about fragmentation and longing for cohesion. This is the driving fear behind the inequality and immigration debates, behind worries of polarization and behind the entire Obama candidacy.
If you go to marketing conferences, you realize we really are in the era of the long tail. In any given industry, companies are dividing the marketplace into narrower and more segmented lifestyle niches.
Van Zandt has a way to counter all this, at least where music is concerned. He??s drawn up a high school music curriculum that tells American history through music. It would introduce students to Muddy Waters, the Mississippi Sheiks, Bob Dylan and the Allman Brothers. He??s trying to use music to motivate and engage students, but most of all, he is trying to establish a canon, a common tradition that reminds students that they are inheritors of a long conversation.
And Van Zandt is doing something that is going to be increasingly necessary for foundations and civic groups. We live in an age in which the technological and commercial momentum drives fragmentation. It??s going to be necessary to set up countervailing forces ?? institutions that span social, class and ethnic lines.
Music used to do this. Not so much anymore.
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Brian..maybe you should take up drinking and get off the internet.
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So by putting an expiration date on music, you deny future generations from hearing great music not only whats considered "classic" but lesser know and just as worthy. i.e. Nuggets, Cult bands like Big Star, Love, Velvet Underground, etc. What about 60s Soul and R&B, 80s synth pop. Why is it so wrong for someone to hear the original version of something like "Kick Out The Jams"
The musical landscape would be awful dire, if musicians could listen to music from a defined period of time. As it there are already way to many young bands eager to make it "big" by emulating whats marketable.
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Can we all just agree that "The Big Chill" is the worst movie ever made and "American Pie" the worst song ever written and move along?
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Can we all just agree that "The Big Chill" is the worst movie ever made and "American Pie" the worst song ever written and move along?
I agree with that. Although, I'd take votes for "Imagine", too.
Brian
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There is nothing 'new' anymore. So there will never be anything 'new and exciting' around the corner....it's all been done before so bands today are nothing original, they're just tribute bands of bands in the past.
I meant 90's+, not just the 90's btw...
You're right. In three years, no one will know who Pearl Jam, Radiohead, the Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, or the Beastie Boys are
In three years maybe, in 33...not a fucking chance....my case in point, you didn't even list Nirvana who were supposed to be the saviours, and they slipped your mind.
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You are a robot.
Originally posted by Brian_Wallace:
I agree with that. Although, I'd take votes for "Imagine", too.
Brian
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Can we all just agree that "The Big Chill" is the worst movie ever made and "American Pie" the worst song ever written and move along?
Can't even agree on that. The worst movie EVER is a toss up between "Rushmore" and "The Big Labowskie". The worst song is probably Blood Sweat and Tears that begins, "Hello, It's me......"
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Originally posted by Brian_Wallace:
I don't understand nostalgic people who INSIST that "The Beatles must last forever!" "People will listen to Bruce Springsteen long after Fall Out Boy has been forgotten!" Jesus! Who cares?
Who is "insisting" that it "last forever?" It's done a pretty good job at staying around without anyone forcing anything...if it's good, it will just stay.
I mean if you look at a music tracking site like last.fm, which I think is an excellent indicator of what younger music fans are listening to, the Beatles have 66 million plays while Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance have 29 and 27 million plays respectively.
Did anyone "insist" that The Beatles get so many listeners, or did it just happen because they happen to be a band that people like?
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To get us back on topic, I'm thankful for boobs, Baby Ruth candy bars, my 2 mile commute to work, and getting RickRoll'd.
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
You're right. In three years, no one will know who Pearl Jam, Radiohead, the Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, or the Beastie Boys are
In three years maybe, in 33...not a fucking chance....my case in point, you didn't even list Nirvana who were supposed to be the saviours, and they slipped your mind.
You said specifically that no one would remember any 90's bands in "the 10s even." That's three years from now. And the fact I didn't list ALL the bands that show your hyperbole isn't a credit to your argument.
Your entire premise is idiotic and curmudgeonly. The same way there's a handful of 1960's bands who are relevant now, there will be a handful of 1990's band who are relevant in 2030. Just because you don't like something or think it's important doesn't mean you speak for the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
The worst movie EVER is "Rushmore"
I may kill you. I adore that movie.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
To get us back on topic, I'm thankful for boobs
Yours or someone else's?
Speaking of which, I rate as a "Technical Achievement of 2007" seeing a computer version of a nude Angelina Jolie....in 3-D...on an IMAX screen.
Brian
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
You're right. In three years, no one will know who Pearl Jam, Radiohead, the Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, or the Beastie Boys are
In three years maybe, in 33...not a fucking chance....my case in point, you didn't even list Nirvana who were supposed to be the saviours, and they slipped your mind.
You said specifically that no one would remember any 90's bands in "the 10s even." That's three years from now. And the fact I didn't list ALL the bands that show your hyperbole isn't a credit to your argument.
Your entire premise is idiotic and curmudgeonly. The same way there's a handful of 1960's bands who are relevant now, there will be a handful of 1990's band who are relevant in 2030. Just because you don't like something or think it's important doesn't mean you speak for the rest of the world. [/b]
And the fact you consider the Beastie Boys relevant then, now or in the future goes beyond idiotic, it's moronic.
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
And the fact you consider the Beastie Boys relevant then, now or in the future goes beyond idiotic, it's moronic.
I'm not a BB fan, and never have been, but I'm not so delusional to think the fact I dislike them overrides the fact they sell out any shed they play in.
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
Can't even agree on that. The worst movie EVER is a toss up between "Rushmore" and "The Big Labowskie".
I acutally like "Rushmore." I like that movie's attitude. Man, we are polar opposites, Mr. Walrus.
So, I guess it's...
Brain Walrus:
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Brian Wallace:
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"All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not."
Brian
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Hey, the Beasties Boys were innovative! They're important. They are a thousand times more relevant than Morrissey and The Smiths! and I'm not even that big a fan! But to go from "Cookie Puss" and "Paul Revere" to "Paul's Boutique" and "Check Your Head" to "Sabotage" is impressive. Much love to the Beastie Boys. Even I'll admit that.
Sir Stuart Wallace
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
And the fact you consider the Beastie Boys relevant then, now or in the future goes beyond idiotic, it's moronic.
I'm not a BB fan, and never have been, but I'm not so delusional to think the fact I dislike them overrides the fact they sell out any shed they play in. [/b]
So does Hannah Montana....
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I am thankful for Fafarazzi (http://www.fafarazzi.com)
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Originally posted by Brandon Brendall, the thief:
Originally posted by Brian_Wallace:
I don't understand nostalgic people who INSIST that "The Beatles must last forever!" "People will listen to Bruce Springsteen long after Fall Out Boy has been forgotten!" Jesus! Who cares?
Who is "insisting" that it "last forever?" It's done a pretty good job at staying around without anyone forcing anything...if it's good, it will just stay.
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Exactly my question.
I'm thankful for people who don't sign their name to every post, the sun, and an early Christmas present: marathon viewing of "My So-Called Life".
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What a tool!
Originally posted by Brian_Wallace:
1. Now, or at least soon there will be a entire generation of young people who have never heard of The Beatles, John Lennon, any "classic rock" and the entire Rolling Stone magazine generation of cultural imperialism will die a swift but very PAINFUL death.
2. Soon all the baby boomers with either be dead or incapacitated by hip replacements, knee replacements and/or the medical insurance not covering Viagra.
3. I was able to pick up the deluxe, limited-edition version of "Infinity on High" at Circuit City for $9.99 and just ordered the 180 gram audiophile vinyl special edition of "The Black Parade" that comes in a slip-case box, with 2 - 15 page books and 2 triple gatefold sleeves.
It makes the perfect gift. (http://www.mychemicalromance.com/store/)
Brian
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I??m thankful for Sprint and Verizon, Google, Microsoft and Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Apple, YouTube and YouPorn, fuel-efficient cars, DirecTV, Slingbox, Guitar Hero, The Economist, The Champagne of Beers, and a red wine with some dirt to it. Oh?and all my fans out there - I LOVE YOU ALL!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I??m thankful for Sprint and Verizon, Google, Microsoft and Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Apple, YouTube and YouPorn, fuel-efficient cars, DirecTV, Slingbox, Guitar Hero, The Economist, The Champagne of Beers, and a red wine with some dirt to it. Oh?and all my fans out there - I LOVE YOU ALL!
I can't tell if you're being sincere or ironic.
Brian
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For there to be rock these days there has to be classic rock, which will always be around. If it's been around for 50 or 60 years it ain't goin' away. They're all just selling their songs to crappy commercials.
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I'm thankful Kim Kardashian's in Playboy this month.
Brian
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Originally posted by jeffml:
What a tool!
Don't get him started! ;)
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I'm being sincere.
Originally posted by jeffml:
What a tool!
Originally posted by Brian_Wallace:
1. Now, or at least soon there will be a entire generation of young people who have never heard of The Beatles, John Lennon, any "classic rock" and the entire Rolling Stone magazine generation of cultural imperialism will die a swift but very PAINFUL death.
2. Soon all the baby boomers with either be dead or incapacitated by hip replacements, knee replacements and/or the medical insurance not covering Viagra.
3. I was able to pick up the deluxe, limited-edition version of "Infinity on High" at Circuit City for $9.99 and just ordered the 180 gram audiophile vinyl special edition of "The Black Parade" that comes in a slip-case box, with 2 - 15 page books and 2 triple gatefold sleeves.
It makes the perfect gift. (http://www.mychemicalromance.com/store/)
Brian
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I'm thankful I'm not having Thanksgiving with you crazies!
I;m also thankful for this forum because it's alot of fun!
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say whaat?
"Rushmore" and "The Big Labowskie" as the worst movie ever
i will mentally file that away with lisa de mornaes from the post calling chris elliot 'funny in some other universe' and her disparaging remarks about chevy chase.
ie- i don't get them.
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i'm thankful that painters used to put ufo's in paintings of the virgin mary.
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
There is nothing 'new' anymore. So there will never be anything 'new and exciting' around the corner....it's all been done before so bands today are nothing original, they're just tribute bands of bands in the past.
I meant 90's+, not just the 90's btw...
You're right. In three years, no one will know who Pearl Jam, Radiohead, the Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, or the Beastie Boys are
In three years maybe, in 33...not a fucking chance....my case in point, you didn't even list Nirvana who were supposed to be the saviours, and they slipped your mind.
I'm sorry, but there are A LOT of people out there putting together new stuff right now. Yeah, they may be influenced by a lot of artists collectively, but they're still bringing a new sound to the table.
and ALSO, OMG, TONS of kids today listen to the Beatles. still.
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Huh?
Originally posted by walkonby:
i'm thankful that painters used to put ufo's in paintings of the virgin mary.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
So by putting an expiration date on music, you deny future generations from hearing great music not only whats considered "classic" but lesser know and just as worthy. i.e. Nuggets, Cult bands like Big Star, Love, Velvet Underground, etc. What about 60s Soul and R&B, 80s synth pop. Why is it so wrong for someone to hear the original version of something like "Kick Out The Jams"
The musical landscape would be awful dire, if musicians could listen to music from a defined period of time. As it there are already way to many young bands eager to make it "big" by emulating whats marketable.
this post helps explain why Kosmo makes the best mix CDs I've ever heard. :)
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I'm thankful to be alive. To see the sky. To hear the sounds.To smell the flowers. To be blessed with good friends and family. I could go on and on. Hope you all had a great holiiday.
I will close with this:
The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider Freeways , but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness.
We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.
We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.
We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've added years to life not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not better things.
We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.
These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete...
Remember; spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever.
Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.
Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.
Remember, to say, 'I love you' to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you.
Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again.
Give time to love, give time to speak! And give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.
AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
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I'm thankful that I've got a hot wife.
..that I have a daughter I'm immensely proud of
...that I have a son who's the coolest 4 year old you'll ever meet.
....that I wasn't born in Liverpool
.....that it's time to go home!