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http://www.nme.com/news/festivals/32783 (http://www.nme.com/news/festivals/32783)
Reading and Lollapalooza organisers team up for new bash
The Vineland Festival kicks off next year
8 minutes ago
The people behind the Reading, Leeds and Glastonbury festivals have set up a new bash in north America.
Festival Republic have teamed up with C3 Presents (who set up the Lollapalooza and Austin City Limits festivals) to create the Vineland Music Festival, which will take place in New Jersey between August 8 and 10 next year.
It's promised that The Vineland Music Festival will be a "weekend of pure unadulterated rock'n'roll pleasure; the signature stamp of Reading and Leeds, Austin City Limits and Lollapalooza".
The organisers added there will be "a heady mix of the greatest bands in the world, energy charged sets; new rising stars and the freshest acts hitting the stages before the press have had a sniff of them".
The bash will take place on a site with acres of "lush, green campgrounds".
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Terrible news for V Fest...
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seth is getting slammed from all sides, huh? the sharks smell blood in the water....
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New Jersey rulezzz....
I'm just sayin'
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Party at sweetcell's!
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Party at sweetcell's!
:D :D :D
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NEW JERSEY!
Best case scenario?: MCR headline.
Worst case scenario?: Springsteen and Bon Jovi headline. But I guess they can't since the promotors are promising the "greatest bands in the world" and "new rising stars and the freshest acts." That would exclude the "Living on my Hair" boys and BRRRRUUUUUUCCCCCEEEE!!!
Brian
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a site with acres of "lush, green campgrounds".
NJ translation: Superfund site
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y'all beat me to it :)
indeed, pre- and post-party at my place. my pad would be a good place to crash the night before and/or the night after the festie (for a few folks, we can't take y'all in).
but let's wait and see the line-up before we get too excited about this. i must admit that the over-the-top mega-marketing promo copy has me weary.
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Oh yeah, NJ rules. Is it gonna be held somewhere in Newark? :)
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
my pad would be a good place to crash the night before and/or the night after the festie (for a few folks, we can't take y'all in).
Dibs on the couch!
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by sweetcell:
my pad would be a good place to crash the night before and/or the night after the festie (for a few folks, we can't take y'all in).
Dibs on the couch! [/b]
DAMN YOU!
ok sweets - count in me + 1.
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too many festivals.
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by sweetcell:
my pad would be a good place to crash the night before and/or the night after the festie (for a few folks, we can't take y'all in).
Dibs on the couch! [/b]
DAMN YOU!
ok sweets - count in me + 1. [/b]
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
I guess chivalry and common courtesy dictate I should give a girl the couch.
Dibs on the kitchen table!
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Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
Oh yeah, NJ rules. Is it gonna be held somewhere in Newark? :)
there is nothing "lush and green" about Newark (other than its bar patrons...)
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A pox on all your houses.
Have you never read Philip Roth's Pulitzer Prize-winning American Pastoral?
Have you never watched the Sopranos?
Newark NJ is holds an esteemed place in the American psyche. viva la garden state!!!
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
ok sweets - count in me + 1.
i'm assuming there is a typo in there :p
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Hell, I didn't even know New Jersey was a state until a couple of years ago. I just thought it was "the roads you drive from Pennsylvania to the beach."
Brian
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
ok sweets - count in me + 1.
i'm assuming there is a typo in there :o
Originally posted by sweetcell:
and julian, did you think that you wouldn't end up on the kitchen table? <wrings hands meniacally>
Nice people always end up on the kitchen table. One way or another.
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oh yippie another gathering of bands already on tour with the promise of a couple "surprises", in an environment that less than desirable to some... what's interesting is they are trying to compete with the European festival season so a goodly number of top shelf acts will probably be unavailable.
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p, jules: if this "vineland music festival" is held in vineland, NJ (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Vineland,+NJ,+United+States+of+America&ie=UTF8&ll=39.533703,-75.119019&spn=1.048539,1.829224&z=9&om=1), y'all might not want to crash at my place as i live 1.5 hours north of there and y'all wll be coming from the south.
Originally posted by kosmo:
oh yippie another gathering of bands already on tour with the promise of a couple "surprises", in an environment that less than desirable to some...
on the upside, at least it won't involve airfare. and there can't possibly be more hippies than bonarroo, so it should smell better. oh, wait, it's in NJ...
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Bonarroo isn't strictly a hippie festival anymore.... what US festivals needs are some of these available
http://www.podpads.com/index.asp (http://www.podpads.com/index.asp)
Honestly my ideal festival at this point would be the Connect Festival in Scotland which is held at the end of August when the weather is High of 65 and low of 50...
tickets for 2008 already available for the low price of $217 the very early bird special, plus of course airfare, very expensive lodging and food, but still :)
http://www.connectmusicfestival.com/content/default.asp (http://www.connectmusicfestival.com/content/default.asp)
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
The organisers added there will be "a heady mix of the greatest bands in the world, energy charged sets; new rising stars and the freshest acts hitting the stages before the press have had a sniff of them".
i thought that was what coachella was for
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more info
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/news_breaking/20071127_Huge_music_festival_planned_for_Vineland.html (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/news_breaking/20071127_Huge_music_festival_planned_for_Vineland.html)
Huge music fest planned for Vineland
By Dan DeLuca
INQUIRER MUSIC CRITIC
Never mind Philapalooza: Get ready for the Vineland Music Festival.
Charlie Jones of the Austin, Texas,-based promoter C3 Presents, announced today that the three-day music festival originally planned for Fairmount Park would instead be held Aug. 8 to 10 on a 550-acre farm in Vineland, in South Jersey's Cumberland County. Over three days, more than 150,000 music fans are expected to attend what Jones called "a camping festival" similar to the Bonnaroo Music Festival, held each June in Manchester, Tenn.
"It's unfortunate it worked out the way it did in downtown Philadelphia," Jones said this afternoon.
Earlier this month, the Fairmount Park Commission tabled a vote on whether to grant a contract to C3 or its competitor, Live Nation, the concert industry behemoth which owns Philadelphia-based promoters Electric Factory Concerts.
"When you have this type of investment, you can't keep waiting," Jones said. "We had to launch."
For the Vineland Music Festival, C3 Presents, which books both the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago and the Austin City Limits fest in Texas, will partner with Festival Republic, the British concert promotion company that puts on the prestigious Reading and Glastonbury Festivals in England. Festival Republic is 50.1 percent owned by Live Nation U.K.
Though the Vineland festival will take place next summer one week after Lollapalooza, "this festival has nothing to do with Lollapalooza," Jones said. It also will not be themed as a "jam band" festival, as Bonnaroo was when it was founded in 2002.
It's likely, however, that the VMF will share some of the acts that play Lollapalooza and ACL. Though Jones was not ready to announce any headliners, this summer's Lollapalooza featured Pearl Jam, Amy Winehouse and Philadelphia's the Roots among scores of acts, while Bob Dylan, Bjork and the White Stripes played ACL in September.
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This might not be happening now; it's coming under fire already.
DC Hipsters Question Vineland, NJ Festival Plans
9:30 Club's Offer For New Jersey Tantalizes Some
By Ann E. Marimow
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 27, 2007; C01
When negotiations to bring a Lollapalooza type event to Philadelphia collapsed after five months in the works, C3 and Festival Republic leaders were anxious to find a new partner to help produce a world class rock festival. Executive Charlie Jones had spent company resources fighting to fund the project, so his advisers were relieved to learn that Vineland, New Jersey was interested in taking Philadelphiaâ??s place.
"I thought, wow, a city in New Yorkâ??s armpit with a great name and access to miles and miles of interstate toll roads," said Charlie Jones. "I thought it was an exciting opportunity."
But even as Jones intends to finalize an agreement with Fesitval Republic by the end of next month, a group of DC residents are questioning whether his plan to spend $8 million in company funds to produce the event is the best deal for people with no vested interest whatsoever.
They are urging the City of Vineland to consider a pitch from east coast promoter Seth Hurwitz, who says he can provide a "superior music festival at a dramatically reduced cost." Hurwitz, whose company owns the District's 9:30 Club and operates Merriweather Post Pavilion, said he is willing to pay twice as much in kickbacks to the county, contribute $2 million to defray taxpayer cost, split the naming rights with the county and offer the farmland rent-free to some community nonprofit groups.
"The idea that you need to subsidize anyone in this place is nuts. Why they'd feel they need to give the place away is beyond me," said Hurwitz, of Bethesda-based IMP Productions. "This is such a ridiculous deal."
Much is at stake for county residents in the most high-profile, costly public project the town has attempted in its less-than-illustrious 143 year existance. Cumberland County and the owners of the property at the abandoned farm site, Lee Development Group, say the offer from Hurwitz arrived too late. To entertain Hurwitz's proposal would undermine the county's credibility in future business deals, they say.
"You may be able to produce an immediate beneficial cost, but down the line, the loss of the credibility, your reputation, your honest dealings with people," Jones said in an interview last week. "Not negotiating in good faith costs the county big time going down the line."
He called the counteroffer "just a distraction."
Hurwitz is trying to make his case however. He has hired former New Jersey tollbooth operator Gus Bauman to provide political advice, enlisted a local law firm, consulted with an Exit 16A lobbyist and is meeting one-on-one with council members and residents.
When former Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce member Douglas M. Rickenbacher (D) was negotiating with the national group LiveNation, Hurwitz said he took a pass because of the proposed urban setting. But when he learned that Cumberland County had changed gears to create the proposed farm setting, "it was time to speak up," Hurwitz said. His initial letter arrived six days after the county had signed with C3.
County Board of Supervisors member Kelly Q. Springsteen dismissed Hurwitz's proposal as a "cut and paste job" that cherry-picked details from an existing offer. "If you did business this way, anyone could come in at the eleventh hour, " she said.
It seems unlikely, though, that the county would have been inclined to get serious with Hurwitz. When the Philadelphia talks broke down, County spokesman Tom Bon Jovi said, "the feedback we were getting from people was, 'whatever you do, we don't want VFest.' "
Hurwitz's spokeswoman, Audrey Fix Schaefer, said the company wants to build a â??new event for New Jersey,â? not re-create the VFest.
Hurwitz has tangled with C3 and Festival Republic before, arguing last year that its plan to host one of its Austin City Limits festival in Texas would cut business at the 9:30 Club in half for the entire week. Privately, some county officials question the seriousness of Hurwitz's Vineland offer, believing that it is nothing but a bid to keep out the competition.
Hurwitz says he just wants a chance to compete with what he says is a better deal for taxpayers in the county he has driven through on his way to vacation upwards of three times.
Cumberland's contracting law makes four exceptions for noncompetitive bidding, none of which Hurwitz's attorney says apply to the C3/Festival Republic deal. Raymond Sherbill, who represents IMP, said the county code, much like state and federal law, makes sole-source deals "the exception rather than the rule."
Cumberland officials say the county is on solid legal footing. The county's regulations apply to the acquisition of goods and services, not to land transactions or building leases. And the law provides an exemption for "obtaining entertainment services, including but not limited to contracts for musical performers."
Just as the county has courted out-of-state trash dumping with tax incentives, the county can seek out a single operator for a specific location when it involves an economic development initiative, Bon Jovi said.
In a letter to residents who have urged the county to think again about C3, the county executive wrote that he views the company as a "unique partner for a unique project." That definition meets one of the sole source exceptions in county law, and is a case Jones made in approaching the city of Vineland, New Jersey.
Hurwitz doesn't buy it. An analysis by his company shows an 94 percent overlap in performers who played at both Lollapalooza and either VFest or an IMP venue in 2007.
No matter how the law is interpreted, residents who want the county to open up the process say the spirit of his approach to C3 seems at odds with his reputation for deliberation and promise as a candidate to create a more transparent form of government.
"I don't care at the end of the day which stupid ka-nish they go with," said Philip Olivetti, a New Jersey resident, "as long as I can show up, drink some beer, hear some Bon Jovi, and have no one think itâ??s strange Iâ??m wearing jogging pants and a gold chain. Isnâ??t that what itâ??s really about? Shutta you mouth!â?
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wow... POTW, if only for the effort. nice work jules!
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Originally posted by Brian_Wallace:
NEW JERSEY!
Best case scenario?: MCR headline.
Brian
Thats actually a worse case scenario
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO4QsQxcpjk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO4QsQxcpjk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsFK4eZoF2w&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsFK4eZoF2w&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eYA-fnar8M&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eYA-fnar8M&feature=related)
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eh I just cant get enough heres a closup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_eOT1PmRzQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_eOT1PmRzQ&feature=related)
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Originally posted by Lambofgodfan:
eh I just cant get enough heres a closup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_eOT1PmRzQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_eOT1PmRzQ&feature=related)
First comment after clicking on that link: "i trow him a bottle full of pee that day...it was the single greatest day of my life..."
Ahahahahahaha
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not suprising he's a fan of Kanye West
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wow
julian wins a pair of tickets for that one
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
julian wins a pair of tickets for that one
Seriously? :eek:
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i hate when these posts go twice
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Originally posted by Lambofgodfan:
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
[qb]
julian wins a pair of tickets for that one [/b]
Seriously? :eek: [/b]
Yea a pair to download 2008. lol
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Atleast I tried...
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
julian wins a pair of tickets for that one
Seriously? :eek: [/b]
yes seriously
that was excellent
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I'm receiving something of quantifiable value in exchange for writing? I'm a professional journalist! Watch it Miss P, I'm comin' for ya!
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
I'm a professional journalist!
i think "blogger who scored a freebie" would be closer to the truth.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
i think "blogger who scored a freebie" would be closer to the truth.
No, man, professional journalist.
I haven't been this proud since my 90-year-old next-door neighbor gave me a piece of pie after I helped her carry some heavy stuff up the stairs, cementing my status as a professional athlete.
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
I'm receiving something of quantifiable value in exchange for writing? I'm a professional journalist! Watch it Miss P, I'm comin' for ya!
Unfortunately, they're for this show:
B2R Battle of the Bands
1pm Doors.
SUN. DEC. 9
$4.00
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Originally posted by Tom Servo:
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
I'm receiving something of quantifiable value in exchange for writing? I'm a professional journalist! Watch it Miss P, I'm comin' for ya!
Unfortunately, they're for this show:
B2R Battle of the Bands
1pm Doors.
SUN. DEC. 9
$4.00 [/b]
and after taking out the trash and cleaning the bathrooms
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Originally posted by Tom Servo:
Unfortunately, they're for this show:
B2R Battle of the Bands
1pm Doors.
SUN. DEC. 9
$4.00
No, man, Seth wouldn't play me like that.
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Music fest issue enters Vineland campaign
Thursday, January 24, 2008
By TIM ZATZARINY Jr.
Gannett News Service
VINELAND
As the volume rises on local residents' opinions of the Vineland Music Festival, mayoral candidate Robert Romano weighed in Wednesday on the multiday event.
Romano's take on the festival mirrors that of many East Vineland residents working to derail the pop and rock concert: He's not against the festival itself, but rather the location.
''Obviously, the music festival is a double-edged sword,'' Romano said.
The first Vineland Music Festival is planned for Aug. 8 to 10 on a 570-acre farm near Sherman Avenue and Hance Bridge Road. It is expected to draw 35,000 to 40,000 people over three days, many of whom will camp out, festival organizers said. Roughly 90 acts are expected to perform on four stages.
While the festival is likely to provide some economic benefit to Vineland and the surrounding area, the event won't be the financial grand slam Mayor Perry Barse has predicted, Romano argued.
Barse has said the festival will bring international name recognition to Vineland, as well as pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into the local economy.
If this year's festival is a success, Barse said, it could turn into an annual event.
The mayor is seeking a third term in the May 13 municipal election.
Romano is a Vineland police lieutenant and son of the late former Vineland Mayor Joseph E. Romano.
Romano said he has signed a petition opposing the festival, which is being circulated by the local group Neighbors Against Rock Concert Site.
The candidate said he has concerns about the timing of the festival because of the heat and the likelihood traffic will interfere with the work of farmers in the vicinity.
''I think it's going to be a nightmare for the neighborhood and it's going to be a nightmare for traffic,'' Romano said.
He said his opinions are based in part on his review of preliminary site plans submitted to the city by the promoters.
Residents' concerns are being addressed during the city's ongoing negotiations with the promoters, Barse said.
Romano said the festival should be moved to a more suitable location, but he could not provide a specific site.
If he's elected mayor in May, Romano said he would not interfere with the festival, but a return date the following year would not be a given.
''If everything went good and traffic is not as bad as I think it's going to be, I would re-evaluate,'' he said.
Former city school board member Nick Girone also is running for mayor.
Girone said if he's elected, he would set up a task force made up of citizens and elected officials ''to evaluate the event from every angle'' to determine if it will be an ongoing event.
http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080124/NEWS01/80124031/1004/living
We could have another Field Day Fest scenario here. :roll:
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Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Romano said he has signed a petition opposing the festival, which is being circulated by the local group Neighbors Against Rock Concert Site.
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that org has a sweet acronym.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
that org has a sweet acronym.
Good catch.
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The inaugural Vineland Festival originally scheduled for August 8-10 in Vineland, N.J., has been moved to early summer 2009, promoters announced January 25th.
Promoters Festival Republic and C3 Presents decided to back away from the initial time frame because of overall festival traffic in the northeast and big bands touring through the area at the same time, the promoters said in a statement.
After Festival Republic (Melvin Bennâ??s company and a division of Live Nation) and C3 announced Vineland, the promoters of Coachella announced a festival in the same market on the same weekend. Virgin Festival is also planned for that weekend.
"The co-producers did not want to force music fans to choose between three events on the same weekend," the statement said. "While disappointed with the delay, they believe the overall health of the festival business and the music industry takes precedent over any of their singular objectives."
EVENT CANCELED!
Looks like Seth has only one direct competitor now!
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http://www.nme.com/news/nme/33899 (http://www.nme.com/news/nme/33899)
Organisers of the Vineland Festival have decided to push back the launch of the event until 2009.
The announcement was made today in light of the fact that a rival festival â??All Points Westâ?? has been scheduled for the same weekend in the same state of New Jersey.
Vineland is jointly put together by organisers of Reading/Leeds and Lollapalooza and was scheduled to take place August 8-10 in Vineland, NJ.
The press release states that the organisers did not want fans to have to choose between three events the same weekend (they did not specify what events) and that the plan is to move the festival to â??early summer 2009â?.
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Ehh, what about moving it to the following weekend or even late July? There's gotta be other reasons...
Originally posted by Arthwys:
The press release states that the organisers did not want fans to have to choose between three events the same weekend (they did not specify what events) and that the plan is to move the festival to â??early summer 2009â?.
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theory: the reason why festivals happen on same weekend is so organizers can share the cost of big tickets acts. they need a new weekend where they can pair up with another festie to share headliners.
less conspiratorial: time crunch. at this point they might not have enough time to secure a new site & permits, and then book big acts. you need the first two before you can do the booking.