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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Fluffy on December 09, 2004, 02:26:00 am
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Well this really sucks! Is nowhere safe?
http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/3983737/detail.html (http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/3983737/detail.html)
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r.i.p. dimebag and the rest.
this is really hitting a bit close to home for me. damage plan played the club very recently, and i was in the barricade directly in front of darrell. if this had happened at the club, the guy would've had to go through me to get to the stage. not a pleasant thought.
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wonder how this will affect club security at 930
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all we need is some more fucking wack jobs to screw one of the last good things in this world up...concerts.
next we'll be cavity searched at all venues.
not to mention the loss of yet another great guitarist.
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Holy shit...
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This sucks. He was a great guitarist. I don't know anything about Damageplan but obviously knew Pantera rocked!!!!!!!! R.I.P.
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Such a tragedy.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
next we'll be cavity searched at all venues.
you can expect an extra service charge for this
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Very sad... I heard that Vinny died earlier this morning. I thought DBD and Vinny rocked! Phil and his white power beliefs can kiss my ass; he said really F'd up things about Vin, DBD their new band. I am very curious to hear why this person went crazy. Sad, sad, sad...
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Honestly, one of the best metal shows that I have seen was Pantera 10 years ago. Though it is not my music of choice, they delivered a tight, tight set! RIP.
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from mtv.com:
"Damageplan had just begun their first song in front of several hundred at Alrosa Villa when the gunman jumped onstage, made a comment about Pantera's breakup, and began firing at close range into Darrell's body, shooting him several times before opening fire on the crowd."
i'm not really in the metal scene, what were the issues surrounding this?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
i'm not really in the metal scene, what were the issues surrounding this?
From AP:
"Damageplan carries on the tradition Pantera started, the ... hell-raising tradition we were all about," Vinnie Paul Abbott told The Dallas Morning News in October. "We do play some Pantera songs. Me and Dime wrote them, and we feel like we have the right to play them. But the focus is on Damageplan.
"It took a while for some of the Pantera fans to accept it; we knew that was gonna be the case," he said. "Change is something that people have a hard time accepting. But me and Dime intended on doing this our whole lives."
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Wow that is very disturbing.
From the sounds of it the guy came from backstage. If I had been there I guess I would have thought it was all part of the show.
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Vinnie did not die. He got shot in the leg. The head of Damage Plan's security Meyham was the "bouncer" mentioned in the news stories that tackled the gunman and was also killed. The killer was all of 10 years old when Pantera's "Cowboys From Hell" was released....wtf does he have to be all pissed off about? That would be like me hunting down Jimmy Page and killing him over Zeppelin breaking up!
I honestly don't think the venue really did much for security purposes. Not saying they had to do the Nation body cavity search to enter the club, but come on have security blocking off access to the stage!
Dimebag was a guitar legend and will be missed!
R.I.P.
MindCage
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I'm going to go with mentally disturbed.
Originally posted by MindCage:
The killer was all of 10 years old when Pantera's "Cowboys From Hell" was released....wtf does he have to be all pissed off about?
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Man that is really messed up. RIP.
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Originally posted by Fluffy:
Is nowhere safe?
Cue "A Person Isn't Safe Anywhere These Days" by The Chameleons.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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DAVE MUSTAINE On DIMEBAG DARRELL: 'You Will Be Missed' - Dec. 9, 2004
MEGADETH mainman Dave Mustaine has issued the following statement regarding the death of DAMAGEPLAN guitarist Dimebag Darrell:
"There is nothing unique or clever to this post, and what I want to say has no doubt already been said throughout the metal community, by countless others whom were more closer to Darrell than me by now.
"However, knowing he was murdered tonight, I wish to thank and remember Darrell for his amazing life and the gift that he shared with me and so many other fortunates.
"I pray for Darrell's family and friends; specifically for their healing, their peace, and their understanding of this tragedy in this time of need.
"I send my deepest heartfelt condolences to the Abbott family, to Darrell's friends, and to the fantastic PANTERA and DAMAGEPLAN fans around the world.
"We must never forget his life, and his gifts, his genius, his terrific personallity, and the legacy he left behind to remember him by.
"Darrell, I will see you in heaven and I, like so many more, love you brother.
"You will be missed."
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mindcage:
do you have a link indicating that mayhem was also killed? thanks much.
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Originally posted by Medusa:
Cue "A Person Isn't Safe Anywhere These Days" by The Chameleons.
actually I'd cue CSN&Y's "Ohio"
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Originally posted by Ikarus:
mindcage:
do you have a link indicating that mayhem was also killed? thanks much.
this site (http://www.nbc4i.com/news/3985244/detail.html) has the names of all four victims. dime, erin halk (an employee of the club), nathan bray (an audience member), and jeff thompson. thompson is listed as "from texas," which would probably make him an employee of the band.
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apparently there is video.....
Five dead, including noted guitarist 'Dimebag' Abbott
By Jay Cohen
ASSOCIATED PRESS8:24 a.m. December 9, 2004
COLUMBUS, Ohio â?? A gunman charged onstage at a packed nightclub and opened fire on the band and crowd, killing top heavy metal guitarist "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott and three other people before a police officer shot him to death, authorities and witnesses said.
Police spokeswoman Sherry Mercurio identified three of the victims of Wednesday's shooting as Abbott, who played for the Texas-based band Damageplan, and two other men, Nathan Bray, 23; and Erin Halk, 29.
She identified the gunman as Nathan Gale, 25, of Marysville, 25 miles northwest of Columbus. Police said they had no information on a motive or any connection to the band.
The gunman had a hostage in a headlock and seemed to be preparing to kill him when the officer, James D. Niggemeyer, managed to shoot without injuring the hostage, police said.
Damageplan had just begun its first song at Alrosa Villa club when the man shot Abbott five or six times at point-blank range, a witness said.
Abbott, 38, one of metal's top guitarists, and his brother, Damageplan drummer Vinnie Paul Abbott, were members of Pantera, the Grammy-nominated thrash-rock pioneer that enjoyed wide popularity in the 1990s.
The witness, 22-year-old Chris Couch, said he was standing about 30 feet from the stage when he saw a man wearing a hooded sweat shirt walk up to the stage, followed by a bouncer and another club employee.
The man in the sweat shirt climbed onto the stage, started yelling and opened fire on the guitarist, then shot a bouncer who pulled him off the musician, Couch said.
Police spokesman Sgt. Brent Mull said that after shooting at band members, the gunman fired into the crowd. Niggemeyer, patrolling nearby, arrived within two minutes, he said.
"If the officer wasn't as close as he was, I think this would have been a lot worse," Mull said. "It was a chaotic scene, just a horrific scene."
Niggemeyer, 31, entered the club through a back door and was directed to the stage, where he saw one person lying dead and the suspect holding onto another "pretty much in a headlock," Mull said.
"The officer was able to strategically gun this guy down before he was able to kill this hostage," Mull said. He said the hostage, "probably a fan, maybe someone who worked with the band," was able to maneuver out of the way somewhat before the officer fired.
Mull said he believed there was amateur video that officers could view for clues.
The name of the fifth person killed was not immediately released. Mercurio said family members were still being notified.
Thursday morning, a dozen yellow roses, still in plastic wrap, lay near the entry to the low-slung beige building that since 1974 has hosted mostly heavy metal acts. The 641-person-capacity club, just off a freeway exit on the city's north side, sits amid motels, small businesses and office complexes.
After the shooting began, Couch and a friend headed for the exit along with a tide of hundreds of fans.
"It was definitely a grudge. It was against something," Couch said.
Amanda Stankus, 19, who attended the show with Couch, said she initially thought the shooting was part of the show. "I just saw the guitarist fall down, and we decided to get out of there," she said.
The Abbott brothers produced Damageplan's debut album, "New Found Power," which was released in February. Other band members are vocalist Patrick Lachman and bassist Bob Zilla.
"Damageplan carries on the tradition Pantera started, the ... hell-raising tradition we were all about," Vinnie Paul Abbott told The Dallas Morning News in October. "We do play some Pantera songs. Me and Dime wrote them, and we feel like we have the right to play them. But the focus is on Damageplan.
"It took awhile for some of the Pantera fans to accept it; we knew that was gonna be the case," he said. "Change is something that people have a hard time accepting. But me and Dime intended on doing this our whole lives."
A message left with Atlantic Records Group, which oversees Damageplan's label Elektra, was not immediately returned.
Damageplan's Web site said Darrel and Vinnie Abbott grew up in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, where their father, country songwriter Jerry Abbott, owned a recording studio.
Telephone numbers for Darrell and Jerry Abbott are unlisted and could not be reached early Thursday by The Associated Press.
Pantera, known for its fast, aggressive sound, recorded several albums in the 1990s, attracting a massive cult following. The third release, "Far Beyond Driven," debuted at No. 1 in 1994, surprising chart-watchers and critics alike. Other hit albums were "The Great Southern Trendkill" and "Reinventing The Steel." A song by the band became the Dallas Stars hockey team's signature tune in 1999.
Pantera was nominated for Grammies for best metal performance in 1995 for "I'm Broken" and in 2001 for "Revolution Is My Name."
The video "The Best of Pantera: Far Beyond the Great Southern Cowboys' Vulgar Hits" hit the top 10 for music-video sales earlier this year; another video, "3-Watch It Go," hit the top 10 in 1998.
The shootings came exactly 24 years after John Lennon was shot to death outside his New York apartment building by a deranged fan.
Dozens of messages were posted to the Dallas band's Web site after the shootings.
"This is the worst day in metal history," one posting read.
"The metal world feels your pain," another wrote.
 Associated Press writer Jay Jorden in Dallas contributed to this report.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20041209-0824-nightclubshooting.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20041209-0824-nightclubshooting.html)
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if i'm not mistaken, mayhem was dp's tour manager. hope he had the chance to swap a groupie to humble pie for fifty bucks and a case of heineken...
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R.I.P.
thats fucked up. There are crazy people out there. this may just screw up concerts for a while. i wasn't a fan but you have to give RESPECT, for what he DBD has done in the past.
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more details and eyewitness accounts...
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1494653/20041209/damageplan.jhtml?headlines=true (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1494653/20041209/damageplan.jhtml?headlines=true)
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Originally posted by Ikarus:
mindcage:
do you have a link indicating that mayhem was also killed? thanks much.
No I don't. I was hearing it first hand from my friend in Chicago that's working the radio show they were suppose to play at 4:30am today or tomorrow with Saliva and a few others. Are you sure Mayhem is their tour manager and not head of security? He was saying it was the head of the bands security that was also killed. That would be the "bouncer" mentioned in all the articles.
MindCage
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Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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the guy was an ex-marine, who liked to play pantera in his headphones will on assignment killing people for this country. he was discharged early from camp leguene for what the marines are saying, "is classified."
enough said.
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<img src="http://www.internet-web-online.com/nathan.jpg" alt=" - " />
Nathan Gale
"BBC News is reporting that the U.K. edition of Metal Hammer magazine printed an interview with singer Phil Anselmo two weeks before former PANTERA guitarist "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott was shot and killed, saying he should be "severely
beaten."
source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4086101.stm)
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Originally posted by marquee smith:
<img src="http://www.internet-web-online.com/nathan.jpg" alt=" - " />
Nathan Gale
"BBC News is reporting that the U.K. edition of Metal Hammer magazine printed an interview with singer Phil Anselmo two weeks before former PANTERA guitarist "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott was shot and killed, saying he should be "severely
beaten."
source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4086101.stm)
thats one scary looking dude.
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The surviving members of Damageplan also issued a statement revealing that their former head of security, Jeffrey "Mayhem" Thompson, was also killed in the tragedy, and that Chris Paluska, who worked with Damageplan's management and was their acting tour manager, was also shot and is in critical, but stable condition. The band's drum tech, John "Kat" Brooks, was hit with a bullet but will be released from the hospital today.
www.damageplan.net (http://www.damageplan.net)
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Now Phil can start to say he really wanted to do Pantera in a few years or something and get away with it..
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Originally posted by Dandy01:
The surviving members of Damageplan also issued a statement revealing that their former head of security, Jeffrey "Mayhem" Thompson, was also killed in the tragedy, and that Chris Paluska, who worked with Damageplan's management and was their acting tour manager, was also shot and is in critical, but stable condition. The band's drum tech, John "Kat" Brooks, was hit with a bullet but will be released from the hospital today.
www.damageplan.net (http://www.damageplan.net)
Kat had dove on top of Vinnie which is why he got shot. Had he not, Vinnie would have been hit. That's how the rumors that Vinnie was shot since word got out that the "drummer" had been hit by a bullet.
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
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Nathan Hale:
Mr. Hale only qualified as a marksman with the M-16, which is a pretty shameful thing, apparently, for a Marine. Bare minimum-type shit.
He ran a bare-minimum third class physical fitness test when discharged.
A Mechanic in the Marines, he scored only a 48 on his entrance exam (average intelligence). His proficiency and conduct marks were all below average. He joined in February of 2002, but was booted in November of 2003 (most enlistments are 4 years minimum)
He was a Roman Catholic.
He was born on -- Tah-da! -- September 11th, 1979.
Nathan Hale = 10 letters + 1 space = 11 characters bare-minimum = 12 characters. Subtract hyphen (which doubles a minus sign) and you get... 11.
Hale signed up in February 2002. That's 02/2004. Add it up and you get 2004, which is this very year in which we are living inside of.
Take the number 65. Subtract 54. What do you get? 11.
Multiply 11 by 4. You get 44. Add 8. You get 52. Add 8 more, you get 60.
The thirteenth letter of the alphabet is M. If you take the M out of Dimebag, You get DIE BAG.
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M is the 13th letter in the alphabet, and that stands for marijuana. Duuuude!
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I hope you don't make life decisions based on such nonsense.
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"I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my very favorite, bestest band ever,Pantera."
- Nathan Gale
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Originally posted by marquee smith:
<img src="http://www.internet-web-online.com/nathan.jpg" alt=" - " />
Nathan Gale
"BBC News is reporting that the U.K. edition of Metal Hammer magazine printed an interview with singer Phil Anselmo two weeks before former PANTERA guitarist "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott was shot and killed, saying he should be "severely
beaten."
source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4086101.stm)
Looks like that psycho from "Full Metal Jacket", Private Pyle.
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Originally posted by Frieda Slaves:
Nathan Hale:
Nathan Hale = 10 letters + 1 space = 11 characters bare-minimum = 12 characters. Subtract hyphen (which doubles a minus sign) and you get... 11.
Why subtract for the minus sign when you do nothing about a space. Consistancy!
Hale signed up in February 2002. That's 02/2004. Add it up and you get 2004, which is this very year in which we are living inside of.
And?
Take the number 65. Subtract 54. What do you get? 11.
Why take 65, why subtract 54. Heck, 73 and 62 would work the same here. What is supposed to be special about 65 and 54?
Multiply 11 by 4. You get 44. Add 8. You get 52. Add 8 more, you get 60.
Again, what rational for doing these math combinations?
The thirteenth letter of the alphabet is M. If you take the M out of Dimebag, You get DIE BAG.
Again, and?
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I'm afraid I can't reply now, as I'm very busy translating Orc-ish. (http://www.yamara.com/axe/index.html#Z1)
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Pantera sucked. RIP Douchebag!!!
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ROADIE.NET EXCLUSIVE
HEROES
The DamagePlan Shootings - Columbus, Ohio - Dec 8, 2004
Wed Dec 15, 2004
Today I was contacted by two local Columbus Roadies that were both eyewitnesses to the DamagePlan Shootings exactly one week ago tonight in Columbus Ohio at the Alrosa Villa club. They are members of the local stage crew in Columbus, and work several venues including the Alrosa. "Jon" is the club's stage manager and "Tubbs" is the club's F.O.H. (Front of House Sound Man) and was working monitors that fateful night as he normally did when a national act like DamagePlan played the club. Neither Jon nor Tubbs have spoken publicly until now, even though both have been contacted by several national and local news sources and have been asked for comments. They have chosen to tell their story here to make sure their words are not misrepresented or taken out of context.
Here is their story of those terrible few minutes that have changed their lives forever and taken a close friend from them in the same instant. As Jon emotionally told me, "It was the worst <deleted> thing I have ever seen in my life."
Both Jon and Tubbs said that the afternoon could not have gone any better. The band and their crew were extremely professional and friendly. Jon remembers Jeff "Mayhem" Thompson (the head of the band's security) making sure the local crew all had plenty of water and Dimebag Darrell Abbott even made small talk with some of them during the sound check. "They were all incredible," said Jon. During the day however, a strange man made a nuisance of himself, and was finally told to leave the area by "Mayhem." Hangers-on and Want-ta-bees are common in the music business, and no one figured this guy was really dangerous. This of course turned out to be Nathan Gale, who as we know now ended up shooting six people, and killing four of them later that day. Other than that apparently minor incident, the set-up for the show went remarkably smooth. Tubbs now also remembers that just prior to the show Gale's van was parked behind the band's tour bus, and they announced over the PA several times for the owner to have it moved or it would be towed...which the Gale reportedly did shortly before DamagePlan took the stage.
As the gig was about to start, Jon was on the stage with his roommate and close friend Erin "Stoney" Halk. On the opposite side of the stage stood Jeffrey 'Mayhem' Thompson performing his security duties by scanning the audience for any potential threats to the band. About that time (just a few minutes prior to the band entering the stage) Jon was thirsty, and decided to walk to the bar and get a bottle of water. He told "Stoney" that "the stage is yours" meaning that the responsibility for the security on that side of the stage (stage right) was now his. Stoney motioned a "thumbs up" to verify that he understood. Jon worked his way through the crowd and was near the bar when he heard the first shots. POP, POP, POP...He looked up and saw the horrific sight of Dimebag falling to the ground and the mass confusion unfolding on the stage. His most vivid memory of that moment strangely, is the ear-splitting feedback caused by Dimebag falling on his own guitar. During the next few panic filled minutes he grabbed and pushed people towards the closest door. In a blur of time he eventually ended up making his way towards the stage, grabbing Vinnie Paul Abbott (drummer for DamagePlan and the brother of the now slain guitarist "Dimebag" Darrell) and ushered him to safety.
Tubbs was stage left and watched the entire surreal event unfold just a few feet in front of him. He says he was probably the last person to talk to Dimebag having said something to him as he entered the stage. As the monitor guy for this gig, his mixing console was only about 5 or 6 feet away from the lead guitarist. According to Tubbs, the shooter (Nathan Gale) entered the stage from the stage right area (not from the audience as previously reported) As Gale determinedly ran towards Dimebag the stage right roadie "Stoney" ran after him. "Mayhem" saw Gale and converged on him from stage left. Neither one got to center stage fast enough. Gale fired at least five bullets at point blank range into the doomed artist's body. The final bullet was a fatal head shot fired as he went down. "He was dead before he hit the stage", says Tubbs. "The way the attack happened, nothing could have saved him...nothing," He also remembers the feedback (a droning hum at about 600 Hz, notes the trained ear of the audio tech)
The next few minutes were confused, but this is what else Tubbs remembers.
As Dimebag hit the floor the shooter now turned his attention to Tubbs (still only about five feet away). Gale raised the gun and aimed it at Tubbs who was now literally looking down the barrel of the gun. However, before he could shoot Tubbs, the two Roadies ("Stoney" and "Mayhem") tackled Gale from opposite sides. Neither one had a weapon, and both were putting their own lives at risk to try to stop the shooter from killing anyone else. Erin "Stoney" Halk was an ex-Marine and Jeffrey "Mayhem" Thompson was a massive 6'1'' man and a very scary looking dude, so I'm sure they both thought they had a better than even chance to disarm the gunman. They were wrong. We now know that Nathan Gale was also a trained ex-Marine and he dropped his first empty clip and slapped another one in the semi-automatic 9 mm pistol in the blink of an eye. He killed both of these heroes within seconds of his first victim. Gale had at least five clips of bullets and he reloaded at least once, but probably twice, says Tubbs. As "Stoney" and "Mayhem" died making the ultimate sacrifice, two more roadies and several members of the audience also rose to the occasion and stormed the stage. Chris Paluska (the DamagePlan Tour Manager) took a shot to the stomach, and is still in serious condition in a local hospital (according to the most recent report). John "Kat" Brooks (the band's drum roadie) also took a hit (but thankfully has now been released from the hospital). According to Tubbs, both were definitely trying to subdue Gale. About the same time several members of the audience climbed the crowd barrier protecting the stage, and some tried to help "Dimebag" with CPR while others made their own attempts to subdue the shooter. (MORE HEROES). Tubbs believes that Nathen Bray (the only "civilian" casualty) was actually killed because he was one of those fans that climbed the stage. Tubbs does not believe that any shots were directed at the fleeing audience at any time (again contrary to published media reports). While all these failed attempts of these unarmed heroes attacking an armed gunman were happening, both Tubbs and Jon noticed several police officers quietly entering the club. Most of them took defensive positions, apparently waiting for more back up. Directly disputing published police reports they both claim that the officer that eventually killed Gale was NOT the first officer on the scene. He appeared however to be the first officer that decided to do something about the situation. Seeing that Gale had a hostage and that he was temporarily distracted by the waves of roadies and fans trying to disarm him, the officer shot the perpetrator from behind with a shotgun blast killing him instantly. With that shot, the hostage was released, and the carnage finally ended. The entire incident lasted only a few minutes.
There are reports that there may be some home video of the event. Tubbs seriously doubts that. Any camcorder would have been "smuggled" into the venue since cameras were forbidden per the terms of the band's contract. Any available video images would probably come from low quality camera cell phones and would probably only be still photos. None have surfaced as of this writing, but the police may have any existing images impounded as evidence.
As you can see there is more to this story than has generally been reported. According to Jon and Tubbs there were AT LEAST SIX and possibly more TRUE HEROES that night at the Alrosa Villa club. Certainly the police officers risked their lives and deserve our thanks and accolades. Officer James D. Niggemeyer probably saved many lives by taking the intuitive and ending the bloodshed and should be duly honored for his heroics. So too should we honor Erin "Stoney" Halk (who Tubbs emotionally credits with saving his own life), Jeffrey "Mayhem" Thompson, Nathen Bray, Chris Paluska, and John "Kat" Brooks. Heroes all. Four Roadies and a Fan that disregarded their own safety to protect others. The surviving band members and the 250+ members of the audience may in fact owe their very lives to these heroes. I know Tubbs believes he does.
Tubbs and Jon are both having a hard time dealing with the memories of that night, and they both want to remain out of the public eye. I hope that everyone respects their wishes. They both felt however that a corrected version of this event was important and should be told so that the dead and wounded can be properly honored as heroes... hence this article.
They wanted me to tell everyone that both of them, as well as the entire Alrosa crew, the local Columbus stagehands, the Alrosa club owner and employees, and the family of Erin Halk all deeply appreciate the prayers, the condolences, and the outpouring of love that has been expressed this week in response to this senseless act. They would like everyone to continue to pray for the survivors, the victims, and the victim's families (including the family of Nathan Gale).
Finally I asked Jon and Tubbs if they would stay in the entertainment business after this traumatic experience.
Without hesitation they both said... "Hell yes!"
Written by Karl Kuenning RFL
www.roadie.net (http://www.roadie.net)
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED - Karl Kuenning RFL 2004