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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sonickteam2 on March 04, 2005, 12:42:00 pm
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its just me and Rob Gee isnt it?
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So there...and unashamed.
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For losers only. <img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage24/9.gif" alt=" - " />
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Hate to admit it...tempting.
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I'm damn proud to be going!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Somebody really needs to hit the fucking gym.
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Back in the '80s, Mötley Crüe represented everything I despised in music. The guys wore spandex and headbands, looked like deranged poodles, and were dumb as stumps. They were so dumb they even made taking lots of drugs look dumb??and for that, I swore I'd never forgive them. But over the years, I stopped taking rock 'n' roll so seriously and began to look upon the Crüe with a certain level of affection. If nothing else, the band embodied a great truth: You can be too smart to rock, but it's impossible to be too stupid to. Now, with 'em back on the road to support their greatest-hits-plus-a-coupla-lame-new-tracks CD, Red, White & Crüe, it seems as good a time as any to re-evaluate the band that brought us Too Fast for Love and Dr. Feelgood. So I picked up a copy of the scabrous tell-all The Dirt: Confessions of the World's Most Notorious Rock Band. And you know what? Nikki Sixx, Tommy Lee, Mick Mars, and Vince Neil are 20 times stupider than even I ever gave them credit for. In fact, theirs is the kind of fathomless, almost preternatural stupidity that transcends dimwittedness to become almost??and I stress almost??a kind of genius. It's a miracle they are still even alive. (Some of their friends didn't get off so easy.) I find myself rereading, with slack-jawed amazement, the bit in which Nikki Sixx describes his plans to build a "pussy-shaped swimming pool." And don't even get me started on Mick Mars' theory on what killed off the dinosaurs. For what these guys do, nobody does it better. Shout at the devil at 7:30 p.m. Sunday, March 6, at the MCI Center, 601 F St. NW. $48?? $78. (202) 432-7328. (Michael Little)
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Thanks god there is crap like Mars Volta around to outcrap the Crue in the music category, and to make the Crue's hair look normal in comparison.
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As mock-rocker David St. Hubbins of Spinal Tap declared, ??It??s like a pair of eyes. You??re looking at the umlaut, and it??s looking at you.? That??s right, German punctuation trailblazers Mötley Crüe are back at MCI Center. Nikki Sixx, Tommy Lee, Vince Neil and the gang use a little less hairspray now, but their misogynist pop-metal hits still röck.
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Why is Motley Crue misogynistic?
Sexist? Sure. But "misogynist" implies hatred not merely objectification.
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So there and not a loser. Although, the same can't be said for Vince...
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Why is Motley Crue misogynistic?
yeah. calling a whole album "girls girls girls" is hardly against women.
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Why is Motley Crue misogynistic?
Sexist? Sure. But "misogynist" implies hatred not merely objectification.
hmm ... good point, i think i misused the word there ... although a quick google search shows that there are 1,000 other uses of "motley crue" and "misogynist" together, such as:
Other bad news is directly levelled at Crue singer Vince Neil. Neil, who has a long history of violence against women, has again found himself in a mess of misogynist trouble. Last July, Neil allegedly visited the Moonlight Bunny Ranch brothel in Reno, Nevada following a Poison and Skid Row concert. While there, Neil is accused of using "force and violence" on employee Andrea "TrixXxie Blue" Terry. In other words, she says that he grabbed her around the neck and threw her against a wall. He was never arrested and has instead been charged with misdemeanor battery.
and also, i've been on a spinal tap kick lately:
David: They say the album cover is sexist.
Nigel: Well, so what? What's wrong with being sexy?
David: Sexist, Nigel.
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Bobbi Flekman: Ian, you put a greased naked woman on all fours, with a dog collar around her neck and a leash, and a man's arm extended out up to here holding the leash, and pushing a black glove in her face to sniff it - you don't find that offensive? You don't find that sexist?
Ian: No, I don't! This is 1982, for God's sake...
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i will be there, and i will be rocking out.
things i have heard about this show: 2 1/2 hours. tons of costume changes. dancing girls. motorcycles on stage. only one new song played. something about daredevil midgets.
how on earth could this not be appealing to anyone? it's gonna be awful/great. i can't wait.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
i will be there, and i will be rocking out.
things i have heard about this show: 2 1/2 hours. tons of costume changes. dancing girls. motorcycles on stage. only one new song played. something about daredevil midgets.
how on earth could this not be appealing to anyone? it's gonna be awful/great. i can't wait.
You forgot fire. Lot's of pyro!
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Originally posted by thatguy:
i will be there, and i will be rocking out.
things i have heard about this show: 2 1/2 hours. tons of costume changes. dancing girls. motorcycles on stage. only one new song played. something about daredevil midgets.
how on earth could this not be appealing to anyone? it's gonna be awful/great. i can't wait.
thats great news!!! i'm hoping for a lengthy show and a lot of tasteless showmanship!
and "awful/great" will probably be a spot-on description. cant wait!
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Nikki Sixx describes his plans to build a "pussy-shaped swimming pool." [/b]
that's fantastic.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and "awful/great" will probably be a spot-on description. cant wait!
I was going to see them in Vegas, but then got the offer for SXSW so I had to pass. I heard they added another Vegas show the last weekend in March and are playing the Joint again. They must be filming those two shows because the Joint is tiny for Motley Crue.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
how on earth could this not be appealing to anyone? it's gonna be awful/great. i can't wait. [/QB]
Sonick and I will even let you buy us a beer or two. :D
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Originally posted by thatguy:
things i have heard about this show:
2 1/2 hours. tons of costume changes. dancing girls. motorcycles on stage. only one new song played. something about daredevil midgets.
about 2 hours with a 10 minute intermission and a brief encore break. dancing girls changed clothes a bunch and did all kindsa rope tricks and such. motorcycles definitely on stage. a couple of new songs. every song i wanted to hear other than "smoking in the boys room." the midget wasn't so much a daredevil, but he rode a little motorcycle, and a uniycle, and juggled and breathed fire. lots of pyro. a fairly lame attempt at a "titty cam." tommy lee flying on a wire between two drum sets hanging from the downstage truss. incredible people watching. all this and more. it was totally over the top, a great evening, and well worth the nothing i paid for my tickets. the midget promised a return to the area this summer at nissan.
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I've seen two midgets shopping at my neighborhood Giant, simultaneously but not together, and I didn't even have to hear Motley Crue while seeing them.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
I've seen two midgets shopping at my neighborhood Giant, simultaneously but not together, and I didn't even have to hear Motley Crue while seeing them.
Sorry to hear the bad news on not hearing Motley Crue. I'll buy you a cd sometime. ;)
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How full was the MCI Center?
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Packed to the nose-bleeds. I would say 5% under full capacity.
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Definetely ALOT more than the Van Halen concert.
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yeah, that place was a LOT more crowded than i thought it was going to be. the show was good. we had pretty nice seats too. No "smokin in the boys room" made me angry, but the "Helter Skelter" and "Anarchy In the UK" encore was nice!
the crowd was amusing to say the least. but very very cool and friendly. its nice to see everyone out to just have fun and not whatever most of the people at the shows i normally go to are there for!
moment when Motley Crue had to realize they are geezers: when Tommy Lee said "fuck George Bush" and only half of the people cheered!
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"Fuck George Bush."
Wow man, that's so rock and roll. Profound, too.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
"Fuck George Bush."
Wow man, that's so rock and roll. Profound, too.
You're putting me to sleep Rhett.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
"Fuck George Bush."
Wow man, that's so rock and roll. Profound, too.
there was more to it than that, but that was the end quote, and I wont waste my time telling you everything he said.
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Heck, I was pleasently suprised they played "Louder than Hell" and "On with the show". I was definetely not expecting those two.
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I would have thought that the crue was fervently pro-republican!?
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Originally posted by MARKLE:
I would have thought that the crue was fervently pro-republican!?
porquoi?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by MARKLE:
I would have thought that the crue was fervently pro-republican!?
porquoi? [/b]
After all, they love cocaine & group sex. Two well known behavioral markers for conservatism.
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Did he threaten to beat the shit out of George's wife, just like he did his own?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
"Fuck George Bush."
Wow man, that's so rock and roll. Profound, too.
there was more to it than that, but that was the end quote, and I wont waste my time telling you everything he said. [/b]
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holy tap-dancin jeezus.
i'm gagging on my extra-greasy lunch from capt d's
the existance of this thread makes me question my interest in this forum. i can't see acknowledging them at all - jokingly or not.
a fondness for this band is best treated as if it were a retarded cousin - the less said, the better.
motley crue is an entirely appropriate name for them.
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Originally posted by filthypit:
the existance of this thread makes me question my interest in this forum. i can't see acknowledging them at all - jokingly or not.
You may be best served by moving on to another forum where there is a litmus test of some sort. And you know, everyone likes the same music (or genre), tolerates no divergences, no guilty pleasures or plain old fun interests outside of the "cool indie" scene, etc. I have a Barry Manilow album, and I'm proud. Wonder who should move on -- me or you?
PS, a hint that might help -- when there's a band I have no interest in, I just don't read that thread. Something you could consider, since the thread was titled "Motley Crue roll call!!!!"
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bags, dont even bother.
just not worth it.
but yes, please move on with your Barry Manilow record! ;)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
bags, dont even bother.
just not worth it.
but yes, please move on with your Barry Manilow record! :D
Just standing up for my Crue-loving compadres. We all need to be allowed such predilictions.
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Originally posted by Bags:
I keep telling Markie, I got it for FREE! :D
Getting syphillis cost me $50, I do not feel the need to keep telling everyone, though.
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washingtonpost.com
Motley Crue's High-Wire Rock
Raunchy Reunion Harks Back to '80s
By Sean Daly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 8, 2005; Page C01
Tommy Lee, the reliably shirtless drummer for Motley Crue, was very unhappy with the women of Washington on Sunday night. Prowling a massive stage made to look like an X-rated big top -- think Cirque du Soiled -- the endlessly tattooed Lee aimed a video camera into the near-capacity MCI Center crowd and demanded that female fans flash their support for the recently reunited headbangers.
"Dude, that is so sad," Lee scolded when only a few obliged with a show of skin. "I resign."
Bassist Nikki Sixx quickly tried to broker a deal: Maybe if Lee showed his naughty bits first? "It's not like you haven't seen it before," Sixx chuckled to the audience. (The drummer teased but ultimately remained zipped.)
For those expecting a more enriching level of discourse during the two-hour-plus show: Wow, were you in the wrong building. Love 'em or lock 'em up, this is the essence of the Crue: four shameless hair-metal immortals -- Lee, Sixx, singer Vince Neil and guitarist Mick Mars -- who have spent the past 24 years unapologetically upholding the principles of sex, drugs and rock-and-roll.
This tour, the Crue's first with its original lineup since 1999, has proved a surprise smash across the country, selling out at almost every stop. Plug your ears and lock up the kids: Irony-free metal is back, in a big booming way.
The four forty-something Crue members Sunday unveiled bikini-clad contortionists dangling from ropes, a menacing dwarf, three oversize motorcycles, a porno movie flashing on a massive video screen, evil clown roadies, blinding pyrotechnics -- and that was just for one song, "Girls, Girls, Girls," that grinding ode to golden-hearted strippers the world over.
Touring in support of a new double-disc hits collection, "Red, White & Crue," the famously feuding rockers -- it's truly a miracle the tour held up long enough to get to us -- kept the hits and the sensory overload coming, a silly but utterly satisfying tribute to the hairy days of old.
Let's just say that the classiest moment of the night came when one of the dancers did a poetic interpretive dance -- all the while shooting sparks from a most uncomfortable place.
Oh, this show was filthy for sure. From the bombastic opener, "Shout at the Devil," to an encore of the Sex Pistols' "Anarchy in the UK," the Crue proved it is unrivaled when it comes to creatively utilizing the f-word and related vulgarities.
And for what it's worth, the Crue sounded spectacular -- or at least sounded as chest-rattlingly loud and utterly nuance-free as it ever did.
Each band member was given a chance to relive past glories. The blond beach boy Neil -- whose recent bout of plastic surgery has left him looking thin but also somewhat melted, as if he were left in the microwave too long -- can still unleash a wicked shriek, and his rather sweet readings of pole-dancing ballads "Without You" and "Home Sweet Home" had the Bic lighters out and ignited.
The Sasquatchian Sixx, a former heroin addict who has cheated death more times than Indiana Jones, played both his bass and his bass lines low and menacingly, sneering the throngs into a frenzy during classic rumbles "Looks That Kill" and "Wild Side."
Looking like a cross between Mr. Toad and the Grim Reaper, Mars was a power-chording marvel, which is impressive because a degenerative spinal disease has left him hunched and frail. Like any good metalhead, Mars knows that guitar solos are as important to fans as lyrics, so he faithfully hammered out the licks during the band's most frenzied rockers, "Kickstart My Heart" and "Same Ol' Situation (S.O.S.)."
And say what you will about Lee -- and Lord knows, most of it has been said (and seen on the Internet) -- the former Mr. Pamela Anderson is a phenomenally active drummer. His limbs and sticks flail about as if he's fighting off a swarm of bees. Back in the day, Lee would perform epic solos in a spinning drum kit that would soar across the length of stadiums. He's older now, of course, so these days he performs solos on two stationary setups -- each of which is some 50 feet in the air and 20 feet from the other. You could hear a collective holding of breath as a high-wired Lee leapt like Peter Pan from one rig to the other.
At night's end -- after the giant inflatable jester and the fire-breathing exotic dancers were brought out, that is -- the Motley men came to the front of the stage to receive an obligatory but deserved standing ovation. Was Lee still irked about the gratuitous skin snub from the ladies? Well, he did grab himself below the belt and spit out a giant ball of phlegm. But in Crue-speak, that means all is forgiven.
© 2005 The Washington Post Company
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I gotta admit, I'm not a child of the 80s and my only knowledge of this is second-hand (and from "heavy metal parking lot") ... but I thought hair-metal bands like the Crue were the complete antithesis of the Sex Pistols ... weren't punk kids and metal kids mortal enemies?
If so, why is the Crue covering the "anarchy in the uk"?
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Who wants to show their titties to a guy who's going to give them Hepatitis C?
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Originally posted by Killer:
I gotta admit, I'm not a child of the 80s and my only knowledge of this is second-hand (and from "heavy metal parking lot") ... but I thought hair-metal bands like the Crue were the complete antithesis of the Sex Pistols ... weren't punk kids and metal kids mortal enemies?
If so, why is the Crue covering the "anarchy in the uk"?
Yep. 80s Punk and Metal fans converged at Motorhead, Metallica, Misfits, Suicidal, DK, et al, but bands like the Crue were just MTV-ready metal. About as edgy as your 15 year-old neighbor with liberty spikes. Maybe less.
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Originally posted by Killer:
If so, why is the Crue covering the "anarchy in the uk"?
not defending why they did it really. but Crue did cover the song on a charity album back in like, 1990 or something. it was a hair-metal cover song album with Scorpions, Bon Jovi, and Skid Row covered "Holiday In The Sun" as well.
they didnt completely pull it out of thin air.
also, i think those hair metal bands and the punk bands had more in common than you think. their fans, maybe not.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
also, i think those hair metal bands and the punk bands had more in common than you think. their fans, maybe not.
fair enough, i just always had the impression that early (76-77) punk bands like the sex pistols were out to kill glam rock and bombastic metal like queen and zep and had serious beef with big rock stars ... i guess the crue didn't come around until a bit later though ...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i think those hair metal bands and the punk bands had more in common than you think.
Such as.....?
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More STD's than IQ points?
Originally posted by ggw?:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i think those hair metal bands and the punk bands had more in common than you think.
Such as.....? [/b]
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It's not much of a stretch to trace the Crue's roots back to the likes of the NY Dolls. Back when the hair-metal scene was still confined to LA Clubs, I think there was still a bit of a punk connection.
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
About as edgy as your 15 year-old neighbor with liberty spikes. Maybe less.
i had liberty spikes when i was 15!!! so what?
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i think those hair metal bands and the punk bands had more in common than you think.
Such as.....? [/b]
well, i could be wrong, but (and i think mr chutney just kinda said this) Motley Crue wasnt MTV metal until after a few albums. (Smokin in the boys room started it i think). a lot of metal bands in the early 80s started off in small clubs and worked thier way up. bands like Skid Row, Poison (maybe) and didnt have to because they got to ride on the coattails of the bands that made it big (such as, getting to open for the large arena tours before thier 1st album was released)
i imagine Crue's beginnings were rather humble.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i had liberty spikes when i was 15!!! so what?
So in 1984, maybe they were edgy. Today, you're just dressing like your parents. Mellow out.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
well, i could be wrong, but (and i think mr chutney just kinda said this) Motley Crue wasnt MTV metal until after a few albums.
They were on Headbangers Ball with Rikki Rachtman rather early before MTV's Top 20 Countdown became inidated with hair bands.
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I seem to remember Motley Crue being one of the big bands among the loser crowd at my high school.
The same loser crowd who referred to the few people who were punkers or new wavers as "faggots."
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Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i had liberty spikes when i was 15!!! so what?
So in 1984, maybe they were edgy. Today, you're just dressing like your parents. Mellow out. [/b]
I was 15 in 1992 thank you very much ;)
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
I seem to remember Motley Crue being one of the big bands among the loser crowd at my high school.
Loser!
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
well, i could be wrong, but (and i think mr chutney just kinda said this) Motley Crue wasnt MTV metal until after a few albums. (Smokin in the boys room started it i think). a lot of metal bands in the early 80s started off in small clubs and worked thier way up. bands like Skid Row, Poison (maybe) and didnt have to because they got to ride on the coattails of the bands that made it big (such as, getting to open for the large arena tours before thier 1st album was released)
i imagine Crue's beginnings were rather humble.
Never thought hair-metal would get the serious music-history treatment. I guess a couple of critics take Andrew WK seriously, and all hell breaks loose. :)
Seriously, I was 14 in 1984. I liked their first two discs plenty--anything that made mom and dad upset was okay by me, MTV or no. Still, the Crue's influence extends to Poison and no further.
Anyway, Motley Crue's videos from their second disc (Shout at the Devil) were ALL in heavy rotation on MTV at the time. Can't say the same about Slayer, Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth... hence the Crue were "MTV-metal."
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Originally posted by vansmack:
They were on Headbangers Ball with Rikki Rachtman rather early before MTV's Top 20 Countdown became inidated with hair bands.
but wasnt there a time when MTV wasnt ALL watered down crappy corporate music? being on MTV in the early 80s meant you were a good band! (generally, right?)
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
I seem to remember Motley Crue being one of the big bands among the loser crowd at my high school.
The same loser crowd who referred to the few people who were punkers or new wavers as "faggots."
Exactly the way I remember it. I liked those first coupla discs, but also had Cramps, DK, Exploited, Husker Du in my album collection. Strange days.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by vansmack:
They were on Headbangers Ball with Rikki Rachtman rather early before MTV's Top 20 Countdown became inidated with hair bands.
but wasnt there a time when MTV wasnt ALL watered down crappy corporate music? being on MTV in the early 80s meant you were a good band! (generally, right?) [/b]
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Well, the Smiths refused to make videos.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by vansmack:
They were on Headbangers Ball with Rikki Rachtman rather early before MTV's Top 20 Countdown became inidated with hair bands.
but wasnt there a time when MTV wasnt ALL watered down crappy corporate music? being on MTV in the early 80s meant you were a good band! (generally, right?) [/b]
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by vansmack:
They were on Headbangers Ball with Rikki Rachtman rather early before MTV's Top 20 Countdown became inidated with hair bands.
but wasnt there a time when MTV wasnt ALL watered down crappy corporate music? being on MTV in the early 80s meant you were a good band! (generally, right?) [/b]
Generally, but there were plenty of truly "great" bands whose videos I never saw on MTV. Smiths, Husker Du, Gang of Four, the Specials, the Jam... et al. I was still glued to the set daily of course, but there were a whole lot of bands who just didn't make the cut.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
well, i could be wrong, but (and i think mr chutney just kinda said this) Motley Crue wasnt MTV metal until after a few albums.
They were on Headbangers Ball with Rikki Rachtman rather early before MTV's Top 20 Countdown became inidated with hair bands. [/b]
but Shout at the Devil was in 1983 and if i am correct, headbangers ball didnt even START until 1987 and Rikki Rachtman didnt even start til 1988. well into Crue's career.
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this is pretty funny:
I can hardly believe that it's been 15 great years since this video changed my world forever! I've been following these guys ever since "Hunting High and Low" came out in 1985. In fact, I wore out my first HHL tape, and a second copy that I made from a friend.
I remember being absolutely captivated by the video, the album, and, of course since I was 12 at the time, all of the pictures in the teen magazines! After hearing "Living A Boy's Adventure Tale" I even took a summer band class attempting to learn the oboe.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
[QB] Well, the Smiths refused to make videos.
Not so. They made several.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Well, the Smiths refused to make videos.
so did Metallica until 1989.
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Must have been later in their careers. One of the things the Morrissey prided himself on the early days was not selling out to MTV/ music video.
And MTV was thought of as crap as early as 1985 by Jello Biaffra. About the same time Motley Crue was hitting full stride.
"M.T.V.-Get Off The Air"
Fun Fun Fun in the fluffy chair
Flame up the herb
Woof down the beer
[click!]
Hi
I'm your video DJ
I always talk like I'm wigged out on quaaludes
I wear a satin baseball jacket everywhere I go
My job is to help destroy
What's left of your imagination
By feeding you endless doses
Of sugar-coated mindless garbage
So don't create
Be sedate
Be a vegetable at home
And thwack on that dial
If we have our way even you will believe
This is the future of rock and roll
How far will you go
How low will you stoop
To tranquilize our minds with your sugar-coated swill
You've turned rock and roll rebellion
Into Pat Boone sedation
Making sure nothing's left to the imagination
M.T.V. Get off the
M.T.V. Get off the
M.T.V. Get off the air
Get off the air
See the latest rejects from the muppet show
Wag their tits and their dicks
As they lip-synch on screen
There's something I don't like
About a band who always smiles
Another tax write-off
For some schmuck who doesn't care
M.T.V. Get off the air
And so it was
Our beloved corporate gods
Claimed they created rock video
Allowing it to sink as low in one year
As commercial TV has in 25
"It's the new frontier," they say
It's wide open, anything can happen
But you've got a lot of nerve
To call yourself a pioneer
When you're too god-damn conservative
To take real chances.
Tin-eared
Graph-paper brained accountants
Instead of music fans
Call all the shots at giant record companies now
The lowest common denominator rules
Forget honesty
Forget creativity
The dumbest buy the mostest
That's the name of the game
But sales are slumping
And no one will say why
Could it be they put out one too many lousy records?!?
M.T.V.-Get off the air!
NOW
Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
[QB] Well, the Smiths refused to make videos.
Not so. They made several. [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Must have been later in their careers. One of the things the Morrissey prided himself on the early days was not selling out to MTV/ music video.
Definitely much later, and now that I think about it, they may have been nothing more than performance clips. But there is a DVD, and as I recall, it has a few videos in addition to some hacked together live clips. I believe Morrissey aptly called videos "promotional films."
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Must have been later in their careers. One of the things the Morrissey prided himself on the early days was not selling out to MTV/ music video.
And MTV was thought of as crap as early as 1985 by Jello Biaffra. About the same time Motley Crue was hitting full stride.
have you ever heard that quote
"Whoever said winning isn't everything never won anything"
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
And MTV was thought of as crap as early as 1985 by Jello Biaffra. About the same time Motley Crue was hitting full stride.
thanks for posting that, remarkably applicable to today ...
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
And MTV was thought of as crap as early as 1985 by Jello Biaffra. About the same time Motley Crue was hitting full stride.
thanks for posting that, remarkably applicable to today ... [/b]
his posts are riveting sometimes.
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"Looks that Kill" was the first video and was on MTV in '83.
"Home Sweet Home" was aired in 1985 and still holds the record for most weeks at #1 on Dial MTV.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
well, i could be wrong, but (and i think mr chutney just kinda said this) Motley Crue wasnt MTV metal until after a few albums.
They were on Headbangers Ball with Rikki Rachtman rather early before MTV's Top 20 Countdown became inidated with hair bands. [/b]
but Shout at the Devil was in 1983 and if i am correct, headbangers ball didnt even START until 1987 and Rikki Rachtman didnt even start til 1988. well into Crue's career. [/b]
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Originally posted by ggw?:
"Looks that Kill" was the first video and was on MTV in '83.
"Home Sweet Home" was aired in 1985 and still holds the record for most weeks at #1 on Dial MTV.
my point was that thier "early" videos were not on headbangers ball when they came out.
and i also said they werent huge until "Smokin In the Boys Room" which was the single before "Home Sweet Home"
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Shout at the Devil went Gold in Jan 1984; platinum in September.
Too Fast for Love went gold in Feb 1984.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggw?:
"Looks that Kill" was the first video and was on MTV in '83.
"Home Sweet Home" was aired in 1985 and still holds the record for most weeks at #1 on Dial MTV.
my point was that thier "early" videos were not on headbangers ball when they came out.
and i also said they werent huge until "Smokin In the Boys Room" which was the single before "Home Sweet Home" [/b]
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Shout at the Devil went Gold in Jan 1984; platinum in September.
Too Fast for Love went gold in Feb 1984.
not that you're even talking about the same thing (videos). but:
Too Fast for Love came out in 1981 (on Elektra in 82). so thats over 2 years!
Shout at the Devil was released in early 83 and ONLY went platinum because
a) it said Devil on it.
b) they toured with Ozzy Osbourne the entire summer of 1994.
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Shout at the Devil went Gold in Jan 1984; platinum in September.
Too Fast for Love went gold in Feb 1984.
and thats
Shout at the Devil , gold in Jan, platinum in Feb of 4
Too fast for love, Gold in September.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Well, the Smiths refused to make videos.
As did Joe Jackson.
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No, there was a video for "How Soon Is Now" when it was a single... Granted, they didn't make many, but they made some, and not only late in their history.
Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Must have been later in their careers. One of the things the Morrissey prided himself on the early days was not selling out to MTV/ music video.
Definitely much later, and now that I think about it, they may have been nothing more than performance clips. But there is a DVD, and as I recall, it has a few videos in addition to some hacked together live clips. I believe Morrissey aptly called videos "promotional films." [/b]
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Originally posted by Bags:
No, there was a video for "How Soon Is Now" when it was a single... Granted, they didn't make many, but they made some, and not only late in their history.
Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Must have been later in their careers. One of the things the Morrissey prided himself on the early days was not selling out to MTV/ music video.
Definitely much later, and now that I think about it, they may have been nothing more than performance clips. But there is a DVD, and as I recall, it has a few videos in addition to some hacked together live clips. I believe Morrissey aptly called videos "promotional films." [/b]
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I'm surprised the band members haven't requested that this be taken down... (http://www.mtv.com/bands/az/smiths/artist.jhtml)
Or that Morrissey still makes videos...or that he even bothers touring anymore because, hey, who needs "fans" or "promotion" if you know that you're doing something grand?
I do remember seeing the video for "Shoplifters of the World" way back in the mid-late-ish 80's, but I was barely out of the single digits, so it's a bit fuzzy.
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Uh, yeah, I think I'm goin' down to the shore.
Whatcha gonna do down there?
Uh, I don't know, play some video games, buy some Def Leppard t-shirts.
Hey, don't forget to get your Motley Crue t-shirt, y'know, all proceeds go to get their lead singer out of jail.
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http://foreverill.com/disc/howsoon.htm (http://foreverill.com/disc/howsoon.htm)
"And they've made several marketing disasters which have really been quite crippling to us in personal ways. For instance, the release of the last single. 'How Soon Is Now' was released in an abhorrent sleeve - and the time and the dedication that we put into the sleeves and artwork, it was tearful when we finally saw the record... And also we can discuss a video they made. It had absolutely nothing to do with the Smiths - but quite naturally we were swamped with letters from very distressed American friends saying, 'Why on earth did you make this foul video?' And of course it must be understood that Sire made that video, and we saw the video and we said to Sire, 'You can't possibly release this... this degrading video.' And they said, 'Well, maybe you shouldn't really be on our label.' It was quite disastrous - and it need hardly be mentioned that they also listed the video under the title 'How Soon Is Soon,' which... where does one begin, really?"
- Morrissey on Sire Records, Creem, 1985
Originally posted by Bags:
No, there was a video for "How Soon Is Now" when it was a single... Granted, they didn't make many, but they made some, and not only late in their history.
Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Must have been later in their careers. One of the things the Morrissey prided himself on the early days was not selling out to MTV/ music video.
Definitely much later, and now that I think about it, they may have been nothing more than performance clips. But there is a DVD, and as I recall, it has a few videos in addition to some hacked together live clips. I believe Morrissey aptly called videos "promotional films." [/b]
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I have the Smith's video collection so they DID make videos. Sure, half of the collection were lip-synching performances on horribly cheesy shows..but that was videos back then...until Duran Duran came along..
Through videos I learned about Morrisey's jean-back-pocket-gardening fixation...
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
http://foreverill.com/disc/howsoon.htm (http://foreverill.com/disc/howsoon.htm)
Holy moly. Where do you end and GGW begin.... ;)
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And all of this proves their commonality with punk in which way....?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggw?:
Shout at the Devil went Gold in Jan 1984; platinum in September.
Too Fast for Love went gold in Feb 1984.
not that you're even talking about the same thing (videos). but:
Too Fast for Love came out in 1981 (on Elektra in 82). so thats over 2 years!
Shout at the Devil was released in early 83 and ONLY went platinum because
a) it said Devil on it.
b) they toured with Ozzy Osbourne the entire summer of 1994. [/b]
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Originally posted by M¡s§ Må®kL³:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Well, the Smiths refused to make videos.
As did Joe Jackson. [/b]
is that a joke?? there's definately a video for "stepping out," and i wanna say there's one for "is she really going out with him"
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Maybe that's the Sugar Ray version.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i wanna say there's one for "is she really going out with him"
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Originally posted by ggw?:
And all of this proves their commonality with punk in which way....?
yeah, my initial question was why the Crue were covering "Anarchy in the UK" when ....
i just always had the impression that early (76-77) punk bands like the sex pistols were out to kill glam rock and bombastic metal like queen and zep and had serious beef with big rock stars ... i guess the crue didn't come around until a bit later though ...
I'm not trying to call anyone out here, I'm just honestly curious as to why they'd cover that song when it seems like they're from completely different worlds and the Sex Pistols would hate Crue ... is there something i'm not seeing here?
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i don't know why they played it originally, but they did make a couple of changes to the song. they technically play "anarchy in the usa," and change all of the acronyms in the middle appropriately. it was released on their first(?) greatest hits album "decade of decadence" about 10 years ago, and that's why they play it now.
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Talking of Americans, John (Lydon) recently saw a video of Motley Crue playing 'Anarchy in the UK' at Donington.
"I thought it was hilarious. In fact, I knew they were gonna do it, because they rang me up. They wanted the lyrics so I gave 'em to them. I thought, yipee, what fun! They put it on their 'Decade of Decadence' album. Lovely, that's money in the bank for me."
Megadeth also did 'Anarchy'.
"Yes, they did, and their version was hideous. That was the one with Steve Jones guesting on guitar, and it was horrible!"
Americans always get that sort of thing slightly wrong.
"I thought Steve got it slightly wrong too! he guffaws. "You don't guest on versions of your own songs, it's a kind of crappy thing to do."
http://www.fodderstompf.com/ARCHIVES/INTERVIEWS/vol3.html (http://www.fodderstompf.com/ARCHIVES/INTERVIEWS/vol3.html)
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Originally posted by ggw?:
"I thought Steve got it slightly wrong too! he guffaws. "You don't guest on versions of your own songs, it's a kind of crappy thing to do.
except for when Jimmy Page did that Kashmir thing with Puff Daddy for Godzilla, THAT WAS AWESOME!
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Originally posted by ggw?:
And all of this proves their commonality with punk in which way....?
those are your numbers. my point before you went to riaa.com were that, like punk, a lot of the early hair-metal bands started out only in small clubs in a small area (Motley doesnt have a NON california date until 1983!) playing to a small core fanbase. Til it got big anyway.
Living the life of drinking, drugs, women and loud music in tiny bars. they both liked leather no?
that was the point before we got into whether they were on headbangers ball early in thier career or not and when they got popular, which is the i assume, why you went to riaa.com.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
those are your numbers. my point before you went to riaa.com were that, like punk, a lot of the early hair-metal bands started out only in small clubs in a small area (Motley doesnt have a NON california date until 1983!) playing to a small core fanbase. Til it got big anyway.
Living the life of drinking, drugs, women and loud music in tiny bars. they both liked leather no?
Doesn't every band start in small clubs?
Jewel started out by living in her car and playing at small clubs only in So. Cal. Is she punk? Or, is she metal?
I guess you could say that Motley Crue has four guys, like a lot of punk bands. They also have drums, guitar, and bass, like a lot of punk bands.
Beyond that, I still don't see the similarity you're talking about.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by ggw?:
And all of this proves their commonality with punk in which way....?
yeah, my initial question was why the Crue were covering "Anarchy in the UK" when ....
i just always had the impression that early (76-77) punk bands like the sex pistols were out to kill glam rock and bombastic metal like queen and zep and had serious beef with big rock stars ... i guess the crue didn't come around until a bit later though ...
I'm not trying to call anyone out here, I'm just honestly curious as to why they'd cover that song when it seems like they're from completely different worlds and the Sex Pistols would hate Crue ... is there something i'm not seeing here? [/b]
ok, i have two things for that.
A) really, dont ever compare Motley Crue to Led Zeppelin.
B) by the time Motley Crue covered that song, heck, by the time Motley Crue FORMED , the Sex Pistols had already made thier one and only decent musical effort, and had been laid to rest, only to be worshipped for generations of fans who werent even alive when "Nevermind the Bullocks" was released, thinking they were one of the all-time great bands ever.
Why did Motley Crue cover Brownsville Station's "Smokin In The Boys Room"? Why did they cover "Helter Skelter"? i am sure the Beatles dont like em!
but in reality, Motley Crue made many many more records than the Sex Pistols, partied just as hard, and just because they didnt die or something doesnt make them not worthy to sing a crappier bands songs (which they are feeding thier families on the royalties now)
and dont pretend that if the Sex Pistols would've stayed around that they wouldn't have been on MTV cause you know they would've....
now you can all flame me (except Rob i suppose)
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Doesn't every band start in small clubs?
Jewel started out by living in her car and playing at small clubs only in So. Cal. Is she punk? Or, is she metal?
i hope you didnt pull a muscle on that Jewel stretch!!
i would explain further, but i honestly think even if you DID see the similarity (or at least enough of one to say they arent COMPLETELY different, which is really all i was trying to do) you would find a way to change the subject and disagree. :)
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Beyond that, I still don't see the similarity you're talking about.
how about we try this,
whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different??
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Why did they cover "Helter Skelter"?
Will you now elucidate how the Beatles and Motley Crue are alike?
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For starters, I don't think misogyny and homophobia were components of punk, as I sense them to be part of the hair metal scene.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggw?:
Beyond that, I still don't see the similarity you're talking about.
how about we try this,
whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different?? [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
For starters, I don't think misogyny and homophobia were components of punk, as I sense them to be part of the hair metal scene.
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thats a good one. better than the nothing that ggw suggested. :)
i dont know that punks in the 70s were really gay lovers though.
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Motley Crue was all about getting laid, getting stoned, getting drunk, and making it "big." (At least that is what I gleaned from Behind The Music.)
I'd say that the vast majority of punk bands were most certainly not driven by the desire to make it big. Perhaps the Sex Pistols were the exception, but even there, it was more about publicity and sticking it in the face of "the man" more than about becoming a commercial success.
I don't think Jello, or Joey Ramone, or Joe Strummer or Greg Ginn or Darby Crash or Richard Hell were driven by a desire to build a pussy-shaped swimming pool.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different??
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggw?:
Beyond that, I still don't see the similarity you're talking about.
how about we try this,
whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different?? [/b]
very simply put, i was always just under the impression that the early punk scene was out to "kill rock stars" (as a label so succintly put it) ... motley crue and hair metal (even though it wasn't around during the mid-late 70s) are the definition of "rock stars"
obviously the remaining pistol(s?) have completely sold out and aren't anything like what they used to be, so my point is kind of moot ... i guess now they're just all about the $$$, so who cares who covers what, if lydon made those comments above, then they're clearly not very different at all ... i can't see him saying that in 1977 though ...
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So would you yourself more identify with the punks who were trying to stick it to "the man" or with the hair metal guys who were trying to "make it big?"
Originally posted by ggw?:
Motley Crue was all about getting laid, getting stoned, getting drunk, and making it "big." (At least that is what I gleaned from Behind The Music.)
I'd say that the vast majority of punk bands were most certainly not driven by the desire to make it big. Perhaps the Sex Pistols were the exception, but even there, it was more about publicity and sticking it in the face of "the man" more than about becoming a commercial success.
I don't think Jello, or Joey Ramone, or Joe Strummer or Greg Ginn or Darby Crash or Richard Hell were driven by a desire to build a pussy-shaped swimming pool.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different??
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Jewel started out by living in her car and playing at small clubs only in So. Cal. Is she punk? Or, is she metal?
She's neither, she's synthetic (http://www.collegehumor.com/?image_id=82085).
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Isn't that the essay question from the new SATs?
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
So would you yourself more identify with the punks who were trying to stick it to "the man" or with the hair metal guys who were trying to "make it big?"
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Originally posted by ggw?:
Motley Crue was all about getting laid, getting stoned, getting drunk, and making it "big."
so punk bands didnt wanna make it big, but 3 out of 4 aint bad? :)
I heard Johnny Lydon has a penis shaped swimming pool?