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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: proudestmonkey22 on March 04, 2005, 06:52:00 pm
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new dave matthews band album this year. Whats everybodys opinion on them? And please only post if u enjoy all different kinds of music, and are not close minded to bands that just happen to be popular (indie snobs, this means you)
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Well, I like all kinds of music, I'm not closed minded and I think Dave Matthews sucks. Therefore, I won't be listening to his new album. I'm sure if I flip the radio on 5 minutes a day I'll get more than enough exposure to it in a week.
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Well, I like all kinds of music, I'm not closed minded and I think Dave Matthews sucks.
Me too.
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I've often heard DMB described as jazz-lite, rock-lite, jam-lite, etc. Basically their music can be explained by inserting a genre name and adding "lite." Personally, I don't really care for them.
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Originally posted by [ just about any forum regular ]:
Well, I like all kinds of music, I'm not closed minded and I think Dave Matthews sucks. Therefore, I won't be listening to his new album. I'm sure if I flip the radio on 5 minutes a day I'll get more than enough exposure to it in a week.
[Limblahblah] " [/Limblahblah]
But really, I can take him in small doses, but radio no longer believes in small doses; it's DMB, more DMB, and, coming up after 10 minutes of commercials, some more DMB. So, don't touch that dial!!
Believe it or not, radio people call those 10 minute blocks of ads "stop sets." Well, yeah, they stop me from tuning in....
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They've just grown terribly stale for me over the last 5-7 years. I haven't seen anything innovative out of them since I thought their original stuff sounded fairly different. Unfortunately, they haven't changed much in my eyes (or ears, I guess). I think the last album I bought was Before these crowded streets, and I didn't care much for most of that one.
The Mrs. still buys the albums, and I hear them, but they're not anything I write about. I certainly won't go see them again, especially at the venues they've been playing. I'm still on their email list and it seems that everytime a band member wipes his ass I get an email about it.
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Originally posted by j-money:
new dave matthews band album this year. Whats everybodys opinion on them? And please only post if u enjoy all different kinds of music, and are not close minded to bands that just happen to be popular (indie snobs, this means you)
erm........have you never read this board before.......?
if we can't rip the piss out of the music you like.........what exactly is the point?
oh and dave mathews sucks big donkey dick.......
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I'll throw my few cents in....
DMB back in the day were rather good i thought. It wasn't mindblowingly good, but it was certainly fresh and decent musicianship too. I liked the first two albums a lot and listener supported live album. The third one was a little off for a number of songs, but when they were on...as in Crush, they were incredible. Interestingly enough I stayed away from them for a long time because all the jocks in my school listened to them (high school). I only really got into them and saw them live when they toured in 2002, unfortunately, they were already going stale. By now they've dropped off my radar screen quite a bit.
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Don't you hate when you come to a thread and want to add something but it'll just end up being what everyone else's already said? :) I've always seen them as a watered down radio-friendly version of the many decent jam bands out there.
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I saw dmb five years ago and it was easily in the worst three concerts I've ever seen category. Sitting amongst a bunch of college freshmen who haven't started shaving yet smoking pot and talking the whole time while watching pop shoegazers who have a way too hightened image of themselves did not for a fun evening make. Some concerts enhance the feeling of studio work, that experience has made every dmb song I've ever heard before or since really blow.
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I just don't get the whole DMB thing...then again, I've never been in a fraternity.
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who you calling hippie, hippie?
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Originally posted by HERR DOKTOR-DOOM:
who you calling hippie, hippie?
Just because...
..I live in Takoma Park
...my apartment smells like lavender
....I shop at a co-op
...does NOT make me a hippie! :p
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They sound like my mom's smooth jazz records. Dave's singing doesn't help.
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Dave Matthews Band is about as exciting as listening to a dial tone while eating an unflavored ricecake.
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Originally posted by jardison:
Dave Matthews Band is about as exciting as listening to a dial tone while eating an unflavored ricecake.
That would be so much more preferable and much less irritating.
And Myuman, how on earth did you ever get the idea that DMB were 'pop shoegazers'!? You are waaaayyyyy off the mark with that one. Do you even know what Shoegaze is, be it Pop or not? They are, however, Pop. Pop goes the shit, especially if they are driving over a bridge.
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Originally posted by Arthwys:
I'll throw my few cents in....
REM back in the day were rather good i thought. It wasn't mindblowingly good, but it was certainly fresh and decent musicianship too. I liked the first two albums a lot and listener supported live album. The third one was a little off for a number of songs, but when they were on...as in Crush, they were incredible. Interestingly enough I stayed away from them for a long time because all the jocks in my school listened to them (high school). I only really got into them and saw them live when they toured in 2002, unfortunately, they were already going stale. By now they've dropped off my radar screen quite a bit.
Yea, it is a shame.
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
Yea, it is a shame.
If you're going to change the post to read REM instead of "DMB," then at least go through the rest of the text and make the relevant changes. Lazy. :p
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REM back in the day were rather good i thought. It wasn't mindblowingly good, but it was certainly fresh and decent musicianship too. I liked the first two albums a lot. The third one was a little off for a number of songs, but when they were on...as in Orange Crush, they were incredible. Interestingly enough I stayed away from them for a long time because all the freaks in my school listened to them (high school). I only really got into them and saw them live when they toured in 2002, unfortunately, they were already going stale. By now they've dropped off my radar screen quite a bit
Better?
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dave is a talented guitar player. i could do without his singing sometimes.
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Next to U2, the most overrated band in popular music history. Hippie music for fratboys. Good music for a dentist's office, maybe. Rhythm section is talented I suppose, but that voice and those lyrics are so painfully annoying I can't say anything else nice.
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Man, you guys have some really bad taste in music! That's the worst part of living in the UK....they don't play any Dave Matthews Band on the radio. I'm feeling really homesick now.
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if I were living in the UK and I couldn't hear Dave Matthews, I'd probably kill myself!
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
REM back in the day were rather good i thought. It wasn't mindblowingly good, but it was certainly fresh and decent musicianship too. I liked the first two albums a lot. The third one was a little off for a number of songs, but when they were on...as in Orange Crush, they were incredible. Interestingly enough I stayed away from them for a long time because all the freaks in my school listened to them (high school). I only really got into them and saw them live when they toured in 2002, unfortunately, they were already going stale. By now they've dropped off my radar screen quite a bit
Better?
Yes...except "Orange Crush" was on REM's seventh release. ;)
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Random, when are you coming to Doomlink (http://www.alex.to/doomlink)?
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I respect him for creating a genre where none existed. Not my bag, but he has had vision and kept it going for a lot longer than I thought possible.
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DMB frst 2 albums were great and the band put on some great shows that I saw. However, everything else since has been crap. A complete waste of time in my opinion. Two Step is probably their greatest song ever. Dumping poop on people is not cool.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
I respect him for creating a genre where none existed.
I disagree, the "crap" genre existed long before dmb...
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lol allright, just wonderin guys, thanks for posting
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I really did like them at first when they came out. The music was eclectic and a lot different than other music at the time. However, in recent years, I do have to agree that they've been overblown. The music has began to sound all the same, and they don't have the the same energy and pop that they had ten years ago. Hopefully the new producer will do something. I still take my wife to the concerts though...she loves them, and she goes to shows with me when she doesn't like the music. However, I have to disagree with the fratboy comments. I now have been to many DMB shows, and rather than the fratboy contingent, it is more the sorority chicks, and hippie chicks in general. It's like DMB gets the Phish overflow.
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Originally posted by HERR DOKTOR-DOOM:
if I were living in the UK and I couldn't hear Dave Matthews, I'd probably kill myself!
I thought about it once or twice, but I hear enough Stereophonics to keep the razorblades in the cupboard. They ain't Dave, but who is?
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There a nice bunch of guys, Dave's daughters are extra cute, but his caterer is a little on the wacko side (I protected their water bottles). But the fans at every sold out concert seem to really like their music.
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And I definitely meant to type "They're"...must be too early in the morning for typing.
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So to all the U.Va. students out there that refuse to listen to George Michael, the late Freddie Mercury, Elton John, etc. ... next time you blast the latest Dave Matthews CD out your car window, keep in mind he is bisexual.
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Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
So to all the U.Va. students out there that refuse to listen to George Michael, the late Freddie Mercury, Elton John, etc. ... next time you blast the latest Dave Matthews CD out your car window, keep in mind he is bisexual.
I didn't know someone's sexual preference was a good assessment of their musical talent. I'll have to add that to my list when examining what music I should check out.
Is there a web site I can go to and find all of the bi male singers?
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Originally posted by Sam Pulsize:
So to all the U.Va. students out there that refuse to listen to George Michael, the late Freddie Mercury, Elton John, etc. ... next time you blast the latest Dave Matthews CD out your car window, keep in mind he is bisexual.
I didn't know someone's sexual preference was a good assessment of their musical talent. I'll have to add that to my list when examining what music I should check out.
Is there a web site I can go to and find all of the bi male singers? [/b]
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"I'm a dirty rascal...I'm the king of the castle"
"Hike up your skirt a little more and show the world to me."
Along with that "your body is a wonderland" song, these are some of the dumbest lyric nuggets I've ever heard. God only knows what lyrical treasures are hidden in the DMB catalog.
An ex gf of mine tended bar at the Floodzone in Richmond about 15 years ago..DMB had a weekly or monthly gig there she had the pleasure to work. She hated those nights. Who woulda thought they'd become international superstars? When I think of DMB I see Coors Light, backwards baseball hats, and intolerant frat boys. Not my scene at all.
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I hate to admit to knowing this (it's my wife's fault), but "Your Body is a Wonderland" is a John Mayer song, not Dave Matthews. Though perhaps you weren't implying it was Dave, now that I reread your post.
Originally posted by chaz:
"I'm a dirty rascal...I'm the king of the castle"
"Hike up your skirt a little more and show the world to me."
Along with that "your body is a wonderland" song, these are some of the dumbest lyric nuggets I've ever heard. God only knows what lyrical treasures are hidden in the DMB catalog.
An ex gf of mine tended bar at the Floodzone in Richmond about 15 years ago..DMB had a weekly or monthly gig there she had the pleasure to work. She hated those nights. Who woulda thought they'd become international superstars? When I think of DMB I see Coors Light, backwards baseball hats, and intolerant frat boys. Not my scene at all.
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Any DMB fan would be hard pressed to say that the band's music over the last few years had the same luster of their early work. I suspect that Dave's alcohol problems played a big part in the stagnation of the band's sound. However, it's also hard to deny the merits of their early albums (Remember Two Things through Before These Crowded Streets) along with some of their live material (Luther College and Red Rocks especially). Their music had incredible musicianship combined with some very accessible and catchy songs. Considering what music DMB was competing with in the mid-90's (metal/industrial, the waning days of Seattle rock, the coming days of boy bands and nu-metal), they really did have a good, unique sound. All in all, there have been a lot worse bands to hit the top of the charts.
With that said, "Everyday" was a stinking pile of turd. I'm hoping for better things out of them with their new album, but I'll probably wait a bit before putting down any money on it.
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I totally agree with that, the early stuff is amazing, whereas lately they havent been on top of their game, as it were. Ive heard some stuff from the new album however, and it sounds pretty damn good, i dunno. That being said, whats everybodys opinion on other jam bands? Any phish love? allmans? bela fleck?
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The Jam was an excellent band; Style Council not so excellent.
Originally posted by j-money:
I totally agree with that, the early stuff is amazing, whereas lately they havent been on top of their game, as it were. Ive heard some stuff from the new album however, and it sounds pretty damn good, i dunno. That being said, whats everybodys opinion on other jam bands? Any phish love? allmans? bela fleck?
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i liked that 'lillywhite sessions' album.
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i would stop going to bars that played too much dave matthews back home. crazy epidemic there
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Originally posted by j-money:
I totally agree with that, the early stuff is amazing, whereas lately they havent been on top of their game, as it were. Ive heard some stuff from the new album however, and it sounds pretty damn good, i dunno. That being said, whats everybodys opinion on other jam bands? Any phish love? allmans? bela fleck?
Actually, most of the other bands that were identified as jam bands never did anything for me. I'm not saying any of those other bands are bad (because I save my deepest condemnation for Linkin Park and John Mayer), but I never found their music that compelling.
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Originally posted by j-money:
I totally agree with that, the early stuff is amazing, whereas lately they havent been on top of their game, as it were. Ive heard some stuff from the new album however, and it sounds pretty damn good, i dunno. That being said, whats everybodys opinion on other jam bands? Any phish love? allmans? bela fleck?
dude, you can't shine a turd.
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DMB is the band for people who don't really know what rock'n'roll is. I'm sorry, but based on the people I knew in college that like his stuff, it's the soundtrack for people who have never had good sex, never got out of the suburbs, and who think that you can eat good food at places like the Olive Garden. There is nothing to me about DMB that is extraordinary. Yes, he can play guitar. Yes, the other people in the band can play their instruments. But when it all comes together it has about as much balls as the Vienna Boys Choir. It's just my opinion, can't help it...I feel like I have Tourette's whenever they come on the radio and the only remedy is to go listen to about 5 hours of Black Sabbath, Black Flag and Minor Threat on loop. The only bands I hate more than DMB are probably the Barenaked Ladies, Everything, and maybe Emmet Swimming. Whew...OK, I feel better now!
And for the record, I think it says something that they were the band dripping piss and shit while driving along. Makes me crack up every time I hear about it.
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Originally posted by j-money:
Any phish love? allmans? bela fleck?
La, la, la, I can't hear you. Please...make it stop!
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
I feel like I have Tourette's whenever they come on the radio and the only remedy is to go listen to about 5 hours of Black Sabbath, Black Flag and Minor Threat on loop.
Does anyone still listen to the radio? Why? Why would anyone subject themselves to what passes for radio stations these days?
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The early Style Council was excellent, it all went downhill with Weller's expanding ego.
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it seems alot of people i know that listened to dmb in college have moved on to the super commercial mainstream country
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
Originally posted by j-money:
Any phish love? allmans? bela fleck?
La, la, la, I can't hear you. Please...make it stop! [/b]
come on EL tee, why do you have to be so rude??
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allright, jesus guys im sry i posted. You can just say u dont like it without making a big fuckin deal. For the record, im a casual fan. I am not in a fraternity, nor do i wear baseball caps. I listen to lots of different music, and am open to suggestions about music I should be listening to. So instead of pointlessly flaming the dmb, tell me some music u think i should spend my time listening to instead
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
The only bands I hate more than DMB are probably the Barenaked Ladies, Everything, and maybe Emmet Swimming. Whew...OK, I feel better now!
Dude, you just listed the bands I hate more than any other bands in the world. And I don't hate easily 'cuz I'm a hata' hata', not a hata'. You rock!
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and id like to thank the good people that gave me a polite response
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Originally posted by j-money:
allright, jesus guys im sry i posted.
i accept your apology
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by j-money:
I totally agree with that, the early stuff is amazing, whereas lately they havent been on top of their game, as it were. Ive heard some stuff from the new album however, and it sounds pretty damn good, i dunno. That being said, whats everybodys opinion on other jam bands? Any phish love? allmans? bela fleck?
dude, you can't shine a turd. [/b]
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
That was good, Bede.
Guess you could say that he doesn't know his shit from shinola.
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Ask a question on this thing and you'll get an honest answer. If you asked people what they think about Radiohead I'm sure you'd get lovers and haters too. We tend to have strong opinions and we take our music seriously otherwise we wouldn't be here. But take it with a grain of salt too...sarcasm and jest doesn't often come through over the internet. My post, for example, is meant to be humorous, but I'm also being honest.
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Originally posted by j-money:
That being said, whats everybodys opinion on other jam bands? Any phish love? allmans? bela fleck?
I don't like jam-bands as a whole, but I love the good ol' Grateful Dead. I stopped paying attention to the Allmans after they kicked-out Dickey, but up until then they were terrific. Word is they're still great live, but I couldn't really say. I saw Dickey Betts last week at the State Theater. He's still got it. I never got Bela Fleck. Just not my thing. As for Phish, I'd rather have my eyes poked out with a rusty fork.
Ratdog tickets go on sale tomorrow. I'll definitely go to that one.
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In terms of what I listen to, these days it's a lot of New Order, Chemical Brothers, Queens of the Stone Age, Cass McCombs, Cocteau Twins, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, Interpol, DOA, and I've gotten back to my obsession with the late 70's LA punk scene: The Weirdos, the Germs, X, and best of all...the Screamers.
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i'm just a music snob in general and will echo Chaz's comment about DM's lyrics... just because one is a "good" musician doesn't automatically them a good songwriter. dmb is music for drunk white people to dance too, as mentioned is "lite" everything.
want recommendations, seek out Don Dixon, Isaac Hayes, Sly and Family Stone, Love, The Features, The Detroit Cobras, etc lather rinse repeat
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Chuck, looks like we have a love connection!
Originally posted by HERR DOKTOR-DOOM:
Originally posted by bunnyman:
The only bands I hate more than DMB are probably the Barenaked Ladies, Everything, and maybe Emmet Swimming. Whew...OK, I feel better now!
Dude, you just listed the bands I hate more than any other bands in the world. And I don't hate easily 'cuz I'm a hata' hata', not a hata'. You rock! [/b]
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I don't like jam-bands as a whole, but I love the good ol' Grateful Dead. I stopped paying attention to the Allmans after they kicked-out Dickey, but up until then they were terrific. Word is they're still great live, but I couldn't really say. I saw Dickey Betts last week at the State Theater. He's still got it. I never got Bela Fleck. Just not my thing. As for Phish, I'd rather have my eyes poked out with a rusty fork.
Ratdog tickets go on sale tomorrow. I'll definitely go to that one.
I agree on all counts.
I've also caught the Derek Trucks Band a couple of times and, while I wouldn't go out of my way to see him, he's pretty good.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I've also caught the Derek Trucks Band a couple of times and, while I wouldn't go out of my way to see him, he's pretty good.
Derek's a great guitar player, but I find his solo stuff a bit boring.
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DMB is the worst band i have hever heard. Their music (and i use the term music loosly) is low level crap. I cant stand to listen to them for more than 10 seconds. Then theres Dave himself any one who thinks he sings well must be clinically retarded (This means you Justin). his voice resembles a goat with epilepsy exiting the womb at 90 MPH. All you yuppies and preps out there should start listening to some good music like Led Zepplin, AC/DC and Black Sabbath.
~David
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Thanks for the input, David. There you have it folks, the definitive Dave Matthews Band post. Now go roll a joint, David.
Originally posted by blacksun89:
DMB is the worst band i have hever heard. Their music (and i use the term music loosly) is low level crap. I cant stand to listen to them for more than 10 seconds. Then theres Dave himself any one who thinks he sings well must be clinically retarded (This means you Justin). his voice resembles a goat with epilepsy exiting the womb at 90 MPH. All you yuppies and preps out there should start listening to some good music like Led Zepplin, AC/DC and Black Sabbath.
~David
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Originally posted by blacksun89:
All you yuppies and preps out there should start listening to some good music like Led Zepplin, AC/DC and Black Sabbath.
~David
I like AC/DC as much as the next guy, but I don't know if I'd hold them up as the standard for good music.
But that's just me. Oh, and I'd also suggest that your naming of Black Sabbath needs to be accompanied by a mention of which era you're thinking of. Ozzy's Black Sabbath != Ronnie James Dio's Black Sabbath. Failing to disassociate yourself with liking the Ronnie James Dio era Black Sabbath seriously harms your credibility.
:)
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I love all kinds of music. But Dave Matthews is DUMB.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Love, The Detroit Cobras
Kosmo, I think you are my soulmate.
You aren't by any chance an extrmely rich and beautiful woman are you?
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I do like a ton of pre-hiatus phish and even some of the post-hiatus shit is ok as well but Trey Anastasio's inability to remember many of his compositions toward the end of their career was too much of a distraction for me to listen to any of their live stuff from 2003-2004. Many of their albums such as rift, a picture of nectar and Junta however are masterpieces imo and their live shit from the 90's->2000 is great.
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Originally posted by Mr. Eff:
Their music had incredible musicianship combined with some very accessible and catchy songs.
Hmmmm, interesting take. I know little of Dave Matthews outside what most fairly aware Joe Public music listeners do. I saw Matthews at the Move On concert last Fall, and was aghast -- the man played three chords. I didn't think I was a huge fan, but I found very little musicianship in the sampling played that night. Though the level of musicianship of an artist or band is not directly correlated to whether people enjoy their music (so I'm not saying Matthews sucks completely, but fine musician seems a stretch...).
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Originally posted by j-money:
allright, jesus guys im sry i posted. You can just say u dont like it without making a big fuckin deal.
Ask a question, get an answer. That's what people do, esp in a music forum. We could've told you the ratio of DMB fans here would be heavily weighted towards "not fans." No one flamed you -- an opinion sometimes includes, "that's the worst music I've ever heard." ;)
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hmmmm.......touche bags....touche.......
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Originally posted by Mr. Eff:
Originally posted by blacksun89:
All you yuppies and preps out there should start listening to some good music like Led Zepplin, AC/DC and Black Sabbath.
~David
I like AC/DC as much as the next guy, but I don't know if I'd hold them up as the standard for good music.
But that's just me. Oh, and I'd also suggest that your naming of Black Sabbath needs to be accompanied by a mention of which era you're thinking of. Ozzy's Black Sabbath != Ronnie James Dio's Black Sabbath. Failing to disassociate yourself with liking the Ronnie James Dio era Black Sabbath seriously harms your credibility.
:) [/b]
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to answer the question, i absolutely loathe dave matthews' music. and no, i'm not close-minded (unless you think somebody with 5000+ albums can be). when i first heard about him, i was in high school and hung out with some deadheads who tried to turn me on to DMB. i read some stuff about them, how they were multi-racial, had a sax player and a violinist, mixed jazz and folk with rock, etc., and was intrigued. when i finally heard it, i was appalled by matthews' annoying vocals and lack of balls or beauty in any of the music. and what's worse, they've only gotten lamer over the years.
and i hate it when DMB fans refer to him as "dave" and expect you to know who they're talking about. oh really, you saw "dave" last night? i'd rather think of dave fucking navarro instead (and that's not saying much).
anyway, some other random thoughts:
and I've gotten back to my obsession with the late 70's LA punk scene: The Weirdos, the Germs, X, and best of all...the Screamers.
mucho points for dropping the screamers, chaz. i finally just got a collection of demos and outtakes on vinyl. groundbreaking stuff that has (directly and indirectly) influenced a couple of generations of synthy post-punk.
i know it's hip to hate the dead, but i ain't buying it. they were a great live band in the '60s and their records weren't too shabby, either. i like them pretty much up until 1975, and then they got bad pretty quick. you can say the same thing about genesis, steve miller, and fleetwood mac (though i can find some worth in their california cokehead phase). i did see them a couple of times in the early '90s and those were two of the worst shows i've ever seen.
the allman brothers were also great on record until 1975. though they sucked less than the dead, their records were just predictable exercises on the same formula. however, i have seen them live a couple of times as well and they were terrific (though i have no idea what they're like without dickey betts and with derek trucks). i'm not really intrigued enough to bother, though if someone gave me a free ticket, i wouldn't turn down an opportunity to hear "blue sky" or "whipping post" live again.
i hate phish but not as much as DMB.
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Originally posted by Mr. Eff:
Originally posted by blacksun89:
All you yuppies and preps out there should start listening to some good music like Led Zepplin, AC/DC and Black Sabbath.
~David
I like AC/DC as much as the next guy, but I don't know if I'd hold them up as the standard for good music.
But that's just me. Oh, and I'd also suggest that your naming of Black Sabbath needs to be accompanied by a mention of which era you're thinking of. Ozzy's Black Sabbath != Ronnie James Dio's Black Sabbath. Failing to disassociate yourself with liking the Ronnie James Dio era Black Sabbath seriously harms your credibility.
:) [/b]
good point. I'd like to clear that up Ronnie James Dio totally ruined Black sabbath. The Black sabbath I know and love's singer was Ozzy all the way
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good point. I'd like to clear that up Ronnie James Dio totally ruined Black sabbath. The Black sabbath I know and love's singer was Ozzy all the way
i'm a huge sabbath fan (the first six records are untouchable), but i have to disagree here. technical ecstasy and never say die are really not that good. heaven and hell and mob rules are better records, IMO. i know dio is a cheeseball, but he did sing on those two albums, and also was in rainbow, who had some awesome hard rock classics in the mid-'70s. geezer butler wrote much of the lyrics and music for sabbath (as did tony iommi), so it's not fair to say that dio "ruined" the band. they got much worse in the years after dio.
strangely enough, ozzy's best records are with randy rhoads and he's pretty much sucked since then.
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ok lol it seems ive gotten everybodys opinion on them.....thank you for posting, very appreciated
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Originally posted by j-money:
ok lol it seems ive gotten everybodys opinion on them.....thank you for posting, very appreciated
is this the third time you've tried to finish this thread off?
dave matthews haters shall not be stopped by a simple: "ok guys, nothing to see here, keep moving" ... looks like you're gonna have to really beg to end this one
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All February I listened to nothing but The Jam. I don't think I have ever heard a Style Council song.
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i agree with kosmo's assessment of the style council. early stuff pretty good, later stuff blah. i'll take weller solo over most style council.
the jam could not be fucked with. every record was brilliant.
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Originally posted by snailhook:
and I've gotten back to my obsession with the late 70's LA punk scene: The Weirdos, the Germs, X, and best of all...the Screamers.
mucho points for dropping the screamers, chaz. [/b]
Sorry but I can't take credit for that. I think it was Bunnyman who mentioned the Screamers etc., although I did have Group Sex on the stereo earlier. And before that me and my daughter were dancing around to the first Ramones record. She'll never know how proud that makes me....
So anyway Bunnyman gets the cool points....my last post was a marriage proposal to Kosmo on the grounds of his undying love for Love and the Detroit Cobras.
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well chaz, your undying love for kosmo for his undying love of love has caused me to have undying love for you. since forever changes is my favorite album ever, i hereby decree that you have more points than bunnyman for giving props to the screamers.
does that make up for my fuck-up?
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Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Love, The Detroit Cobras
Kosmo, I think you are my soulmate.
You aren't by any chance an extrmely rich and beautiful woman are you? [/b]
sorry nope and nope, although you should see me in a kilt
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Originally posted by snailhook:
well chaz, your undying love for kosmo for his undying love of love has caused me to have undying love for you. since forever changes is my favorite album ever, i hereby decree that you have more points than bunnyman for giving props to the screamers.
does that make up for my fuck-up?
Unlike Kosmo, I'm quite sure you are a rich and beautiful woman. What are you doing for the next 20 years? What do you say we hit the road and follow Love around like a couple of Love-heads? They're in Europe this spring!
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lets talk more style council...
Those singles that transitioned Weller from the The Jam to the Style Council were top notch stuff. I suspect they were orginially written as Jam songs. Just listen to the Jam's vs Style Council version of "A Solid Bond In Your Heart". As great of a rhythm section as Foxton & Buckler were, they were a rock solid unit and Weller was wanting to flex his Northern Soul roots which they weren't up to. I've heard "Snap" being associated with Buckler's sound.
So Weller brings in Talbot and drummer extraordinary Steve White and is able to create the new sound with TSC he wasn't able with the Jam . Although things went pear shaped when he tried to do incorporate funk and jazz into the mix and his ego went completely overboard with "Confessions of A Pop Group" complete with a 10 minute Suite.
My ex has it now, but the Style Council boxset included the entire "lost" album his record company refused to release. I only heard it a couple times and liked it's attempt at fusing house music and Weller's songwriting.
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Yes, it was me who mentioned the Screamers. They fucking rule.
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Originally posted by j-money:
ok lol it seems ive gotten everybodys opinion on them.....thank you for posting, very appreciated
Yes, but see, you've been privy to much more knowledge since your question....take it in!
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Who and where do they rule?
Originally posted by bunnyman:
Yes, it was me who mentioned the Screamers. They fucking rule.
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The sexual undertones of this thread are freaking me out more than the fact that somebody actually asked us what we thought of the DMB.
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dmb rules! (http://www.texastechie.com/HTML/fun/PornFreak.htm)
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Originally posted by snailhook:
i agree with kosmo's assessment of the style council. early stuff pretty good, later stuff blah. i'll take weller solo over most style council.
One of my biggest "dear god!" moments of the Live Aid DVD collection was when The Style Council came out. Abolute flashback from hell.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Mr. Eff:
Their music had incredible musicianship combined with some very accessible and catchy songs.
Hmmmm, interesting take. I know little of Dave Matthews outside what most fairly aware Joe Public music listeners do. I saw Matthews at the Move On concert last Fall, and was aghast -- the man played three chords. I didn't think I was a huge fan, but I found very little musicianship in the sampling played that night. Though the level of musicianship of an artist or band is not directly correlated to whether people enjoy their music (so I'm not saying Matthews sucks completely, but fine musician seems a stretch...). [/b]
When I talk about musicianship, I usually think of the other members of the band, especially Carter Beauford on the drums. I love listening to him play, and I find his rhythms, tricks, and embellishments to be outstanding. Tim Reynolds, who plays on most of the albums, is another example of an amazing technical musician.
But if you saw them last fall, they were most likely playing a lot of their recent material, which as I already mentioned is likened to a crap sandwich. I first saw them at Great Woods in MA in '95, when they were more like a fun jam band, and much less like an adult contemporary superstar. They were good times.
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Well, how do you think I feel? I live in Charlottesville. Every other day it's, "Ooh, I cut Dave's hair," or "I waited on the saxaphonist and his daughter, and he gave me a $40.oo tip." I'm actually good friends with DMB's project manager, who has also worked for Spiritualized and Underworld.
Don't get me started on the John Grisham, Sissy Spacek, Jessica Lange and Sam Sheppard sightings.
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The Screamers, 1977-1980 (I believe), from LA...punk band using only 2 keyboards and drums, made some of the most unsettling and fantastic punk music of the late 1970's. Totally ahead of their time, some 20 years before Prodigy was doing "Firestarter" and that's what they were doing, but with a Fender Rhodes piano. Lead singer Tomata du Plenty was pretty tone deaf, but his venom made up for it. Just a phenomenal band, they never released an LP but have a DVD that came out on Target Video last year that is worth getting.
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Originally posted by Mr. Eff:
When I talk about musicianship, I usually think of the other members of the band, especially Carter Beauford on the drums. I love listening to him play, and I find his rhythms, tricks, and embellishments to be outstanding. Tim Reynolds, who plays on most of the albums, is another example of an amazing technical musician.
Many fans say this...but I still cannot jump on board.
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Originally posted by Chisai Fry:
Well, how do you think I feel? I live in Charlottesville. Every other day it's, "Ooh, I cut Dave's hair," or "I waited on the saxaphonist and his daughter, and he gave me a $40.oo tip." I'm actually good friends with DMB's project manager, who has also worked for Spiritualized and Underworld.
Hmmm...your "I'm actually good friends with DMB's project manager" comment sure sounds like the sort of "I cut Dave's hair" brag you seem to be ranking on. But whatever.....