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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: kosmo vinyl on November 26, 2003, 04:14:00 pm
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Already pretty well documented... and there are ways to avoid the dying battery problem, but an amusing little movie nonetheless.
http://www.taylor.org/~mkm/movies/ipods_dirty_secret.mov (http://www.taylor.org/~mkm/movies/ipods_dirty_secret.mov)
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It is a funny movie..... Replacement batteries are now $100, whilst not cheap, its not too bad. I have a first generation ipod and it is still going strong.
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shit! how do you avoid the dying battery problem?
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
shit! how do you avoid the dying battery problem?
Don't use it.
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...Mighty glad that of my three mp3 devices, not one Ipod in the lot.
I've got a 2nd iteration Creative jukebox from the last century. Tiny gig, but the batteries are nickel metal hydride and they're totally replaceable...though I've never needed to chuck 'em.
Hey, I've never needed to listen to my entire CD collection in one sitiing either, have you? "Oh yeah, when I go for my morning run I usually like to have 150+ hours of tunes at hand." What's next? Virtual reality goggles so you can watch BARRY LYNDON, LOLITA & THE KILLING simultaneously with Leonard Maltin's commentary while jogging?
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Well, the cool thing about having your WHOLE cd collection in an MP3 player is that you can hook it up to your stereo, and never have to deal with a jewel case or missing CD again. It basically replaces your actual CD collection entirely. Also, I travel on extended trips a lot, and I take my Ipod and a small set of folding speakers with me, and it makes me feel much more at home to be able to listen to anything I might have wanted to listen to at home.
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Dude, climb back into the womb (http://www.project-mayhem.ndo.co.uk/06-%20evolve_wav.wav) already...
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Hey, I've never needed to listen to my entire CD collection in one sitiing either, have you? "Oh yeah, when I go for my morning run I usually like to have 150+ hours of tunes at hand."
Try a long road trip or cross country air trip. Sorry, but I love that when I'm suddenly reminded of The Smithereens, I have it with me.
Why the need to harsh on iPods?
And to tell the truth, I've experienced the battery problem. 10 hours is a lie, but you just charge it up. I have a car charger and a remote charger, so I'm always good. And by the time my battery dies for good, I'll definitely need the 50 GB....
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Yeah, I get about 4 hours from the battery. Enough for a trip to New York. :)
For longer trips, all you need is this:
<img src="http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/1e86cca667d804/www.apple.com/ipod/images/access_caradapt042803.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
For longer trips, all you need is this:
<img src="http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1945000/images/_1949073_mouse_ear300.jpg" alt=" - " />
Originally posted by Bagster:
I love that when I'm suddenly reminded of The Smithereens, I have it with me.
Can wetware implants really be far behind?
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The less than stellar battery life is the only drawback I can think of on my Ipod. I get about 5 hours on mine. That said, I've never found myself out in the world with a dead battery. I just charge the thing up every night.
I LOVE MY IPOD. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE.
Bagster was right. You never know when you'll get the urge to listen to something....It's great to be able to have the collection with me at all times.
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Originally posted by chaz:
I LOVE MY IPOD. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE.
It's great to be able to have the collection with me (http://www.project-mayhem.ndo.co.uk/10-%20chicken_wav.wav) at all times.
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I'm really sorry about your Ipod envy Dupek. Really I am.
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by chaz:
I LOVE MY IPOD. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE.
It's great to be able to have the collection with me (http://www.project-mayhem.ndo.co.uk/10-%20chicken_wav.wav) at all times.
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Rather than start yet another iPod thread, here's a link (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/30/magazine/30IPOD.html) to an extensive article in the NY Times Magazine on the amazing little beauty. It's far too long to post....
"Moby, the recording artist, has been a high-profile iPod booster since the product's debut. ''The kind of insidious revolutionary quality of the iPod,'' he says, ''is that it's so elegant and logical, it becomes part of your life so quickly that you can't remember what it was like beforehand.'' "
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I don't fancy intrusive corporate websites that require one to sign up before they'll give you their precious little gem of info. Maybe Moby does, though I'm not sure...
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Oy. It's a really long article -- I'll post it if anyone's interested.
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For new york times articles, just use the google news link
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/30/magazine/30IPOD.html?ex=1070773200&en=6cc3b984324f9225&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/30/magazine/30IPOD.html?ex=1070773200&en=6cc3b984324f9225&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE)
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Well it was rather an interesting article, but I still wouldn't get an ipod, even if it shat golden cufflinks. Why? Because I simply have no use for any headphone-based device.
BTW, Does anyone know what's ipod's signal-to-noise ratio when plugged into a decent set of speakers?
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
BTW, Does anyone know what's ipod's signal-to-noise ratio when plugged into a decent set of speakers?
Between like 95 and 100, but noone is 100% sure cuz apple never released the specs. There's 2 outputs - the headphones and the one on the dock. The one on the dock bypasses the Ipod's amp altogether. I'm really no expert on these things, but to my ears when I plug my Ipod into my HK receiver, it sounds great. As good as the cd's I ripped the tracks from.
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What about these Creative Jukebox NOMAD systems?
40GB for under $300 and 60GB for under $400.
(Signal to noise ratio of 0.98)
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Yeah those seem pretty good too, but quite a bit heftier than the Ipod and the user interface is not nearly as elegant. But it wins in the storage/price ratio category.
I'm not considering replacing my Ipod but if I had to I'd get either this (http://reviews.cnet.com/Rio_Karma__20GB_/4505-6490_7-30474134.html?tag=promo2) or this (http://reviews.cnet.com/iRiver_iHP_120/4505-6490_7-30571493.html?tag=topprods) .
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found this funny in the article
About a week later Jobs played host to one of the ''launch'' events for which the company is notorious, announcing the availability of iTunes and access to the company's music store for Windows users. (In what seemed an odd crack in Apple's usually seamless aura maintenance, he did his demo on what was clearly a Dell computer.)
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I think once you have got to 40GB or so, for the normal person a much bigger hard drive is not such a great selling point. Having an integrated package and easy transfer of songs is more important. Itunes and its store are really rather good.
Plus the ipod looks nicer and less fussy than all the other players. As well as that by now its a known quantity and sold in plenty of stores. Its flaws are well documented, but that is much more than you can say for its competition.
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I'm not considering replacing my Ipod but if I had to I'd get either this or this .
so you'd get these rather than get a new ipod? just curious - I've been reading alot about the iriver on cnet and people really seem to love it
also, what are these ogg and aac file formats that people keep talking about - do folks here still deal primarily in mp3s or these newer formats? do you need seperate software to rip something in ogg, or do you just convert exisiting mp3s?
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I still use MP3's.
It is usually pointless to try and convert one compressed file type to another.
Another advantage of the ipod is its OS is upgradeable, so if a new standard comes along it can be adjusted to accomodate
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Originally posted by brennser:
[so you'd get these rather than get a new ipod? just curious - I've been reading alot about the iriver on cnet and people really seem to love it
also, what are these ogg and aac file formats that people keep talking about - do folks here still deal primarily in mp3s or these newer formats? do you need seperate software to rip something in ogg, or do you just convert exisiting mp3s?
No I'd get another Ipod. What I meant is if I had to get something else. A lot of the other players do more, but what the Ipod does it does so well. As I mentioned earlier battery life could be better. Also, one feature that is starting to appear that I wish the Ipod has is a digital audio out on the dock to plug into my stereo as opposed to the standard analog out.
I don't know anything about ogg file formats, but aac is just another compression format like mp3, but the Ipod is the only mp3 play that supports it. When you buy something from itunes music store it is in aac format. Then of course you can burn it to cd to be played in any cd player or whatever.
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There are more factors at play than signal-to-noise ratio. There's also compression rate and impedence. There seem to be other factors, as well...but I'm getting out of my depth now.
The creative nomad has okay response when hooked up to a stereo, but it's not cd quality, even cranked to the max settings. I've a PD Hercules stand-alone mp3 model that does a much better job of sound reproduction as a home stereo. Good enough for my damaged eardrums. I suspect the ipod would leave me wanting..? But I'm not above trying new things. It's just I'm completely satisfied with the current setup. BTW, I use the nomad pukebox in the car now. My car has lousy cardboard-type factory speakers, so I don't care about sound quality too much there.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
I suspect the ipod would leave me wanting..?
I use 160Kbps MP3s (middle compression) and the ipod doesnt sound any different to my ears than the CD at moderate volumes. At loud volumes there is a difference, but only if I look for it. It does noy bother me.
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Those sluggish (http://www.rathergood.com/george/) compression rates really bother me.
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Yeah I'm sure there are setups at home that would sound better than my Ipod into my home stereo, but i'm not an audiophile by any stretch. Plus there's usually so much chaos and other noise at my house with kids dogs wife etc. that it doesn't really matter anyway.
I rip my tunes at 192kbps - and to my ears that sounds much better then 128. I could go higher but then I'd be taking up more room on the ipod wouldn't I? 192 works for me. Overall the whole setup is fine for me sound quality wise. Still haven't found a solution that works well for me in my car and I'm still looking for the perfect pair of headphones. Now i use a cassette adaptor in the car but it's a pain and too many wires..
Dupek....what do you use to plug the nomad into the car stereo?
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The same: a cassette crapdaptor. The home system sound's as perfect (http://www.rathergood.com/meatball/) as I can manage, though.
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Originally posted by chaz:
I'm still looking for the perfect pair of headphones.
I like Sony MDR-EX71 for in ear headphones. They go right in the ear canal so cut down ambient noise quite a bit. Great if you have a nagging wife or ride the metro.
If you look on ebay you can get them in white too.... Althought they are about $50.
I love mine.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by chaz:
I'm still looking for the perfect pair of headphones.
I like Sony MDR-EX71 for in ear headphones. They go right in the ear canal so cut down ambient noise quite a bit. Great if you have a nagging wife or ride the metro.
If you look on ebay you can get them in white too.... Althought they are about $50.
I love mine. [/b]
Yeah I tried those and a lot of people like them but those in ear canal types just don't work in my ears at all. I wish they did. My ear canals have a wierd shape to them.
I just ordered a pair of Sennheiser MX500's that are supposed to be quite good, especially for their low price.
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Originally posted by chaz:
I'm still looking for the perfect pair of headphones.
Everybody seems to rave about Sennheiser (http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?search_store=8&qu=sennheiser&loc=111)
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Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
[qb] Yeah I tried those [/b]
Those exact ones?
Even my wife who moans about ovoid ear canals liked mine. Sharing headphones though, ICK.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
[qb] Yeah I tried those [/b]
Those exact ones?
Even my wife who moans about ovoid ear canals liked mine. Sharing headphones though, ICK. [/b]
Yes...the exact ones. They are available for sale in Japan and I got them here (http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_30&products_id=387) .
I really wanted to like them, it just didn't work out for me. I can't get those in canal jobbies in my ear right, and unless you can get a good fit with them the sound will be no good. For most though, they work great.
The company was good about letting me exchange them though. In their place I got these (http://www.audiocubes.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_26&products_id=321) . Not bad, but earbuds are just better for walking around...less bulky, fit in yer pocket etc.
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Ok, sorry to ever doubt you. I have never seen anyone one else with them....
I am amazed the store took them back. I got mine off of ebay over a year ago..
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I have never seen anyone one else with them....
reabyddet has them
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Ok, sorry to ever doubt you. I have never seen anyone one else with them....
I am amazed the store took them back. I got mine off of ebay over a year ago..
HOW DARE YOU EVER DOUBT ME!!! Just kidding. Yeah in the u.s. only super nerds try to track those things down...glad I'm not alone.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
I have never seen anyone one else with them....
reabyddet has them [/b]
I told him to buy them/I have not seen them.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Yeah in the u.s. only super nerds try to track those things down...glad I'm not alone.
They have them in Best Buy now, but in black only.
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http://www.gizmodo.com/ (http://www.gizmodo.com/)
John Gruber has a several "alternative" slogans that they could have stencilled instead:
iPods 1-Year warranty only lasts 12 months
Where by unreplaceable we mean somewhat difficult to replace
The vast majority of two-year-old iPod batteries still work just fine, but Im extraordinarily perturbed about the bad luck Ive had with mine.
iPod would almost certainly require a significantly larger form factor to accommodate an easily-swappable battery.
Im so fucking dumb Ive not only videotaped myself committing criminal vandalism, Ive released the footage publicly.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Still haven't found a solution that works well for me in my car and I'm still looking for the perfect pair of headphones. Now i use a cassette adaptor in the car but it's a pain and too many wires..
Dupek....what do you use to plug the nomad into the car stereo?
A friend of mine got some kind of gizmo for her iPod that transmits it through the car radio....she loves it. If you can't find it, mention it and I'll ask her for specific info.
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iTrip (http://http://)
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
iTrip (http://http://)
Yeah I've been looking for an Itrip in the Apple store in Clarendon but they never have them in stock when I stop in. I'll pick one up eventually.
For those of you looking for some headphones for your Ipod (or any other device) I highly reccomend these (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=90050330&loc=111&sp=1) . They just arrived in the mail yesterday and are a HUGE improvement over the buds that come with ipod.
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Originally posted by chaz:
...the buds that come with ipod.
<img src="http://www.narconon.org/druginfo/buds.jpg" alt=" - " />
I changed my mind. It's ipod for me from now on!
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by chaz:
...the buds that come with ipod.
<img src="http://www.narconon.org/druginfo/buds.jpg" alt=" - " />
I changed my mind. It's ipod for me from now on! [/b]
Don't forget the "iTrip" accessory:
<img src="http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Profiel/Drugs/lsd.gif" alt=" - " />
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A friend of mine got some kind of gizmo for her iPod that transmits it through the car radio....she loves it.
radio shack also sells something called irock which does the same thing - plugs into the earphone jack